Latest / Brandon Fogal Evolution / #257 - Candace Owens’ Manufactured Rage: The Dangerous Path of False Accusations
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- 0:00If you have been keeping up with everything going on with Candace Owens,
- 0:04it has been remarkable to say the least.
- 0:08Yesterday on Candace Owens' podcast, she got extremely triggered and I know
- 0:13she likes to throw that term around every now and then.
- 0:15I've heard her use it, you know, you got triggered, you know,
- 0:18and that can be triggering to some people.
- 0:20We all sometimes fall on our heels and get in defensive mode,
- 0:24posture or whatever. And we saw that explicitly yesterday in Candace Owens' podcast.
- 0:30I want to be as I'm going to be as charitable as possible. I don't care.
- 0:34I don't care what everybody else thinks. I want I'm going to keep my my Christian
- 0:38composure, my my grace oriented mindset whenever I analyze anything.
- 0:43And I think what Candace Owens got triggered by is really the what's behind it all is Matt Walsh.
- 0:50He is the guy who, because he's coming at it with so many reasonable points
- 0:55and she, this is the thing underlying everything.
- 0:59What's going behind, uh, of driving her towards like almost a little bit of
- 1:03insanity because we have not seen this yet.
- 1:06And all of the things that Candace has talked about, Matt Walsh,
- 1:09bringing up of Erica Kirk and challenging her on this and saying that some of
- 1:13the points you're making, it's just this smear campaign where,
- 1:17cause I have been where like, why is Erica Kirk not bringing lawsuit charges.
- 1:22I've thought about this a lot because I'm like, maybe as a Christian,
- 1:26that's not maybe the best thing to do against another Christian.
- 1:29It talks about in the Bible that you shouldn't do that at times.
- 1:31I know there's a lot that can go into that. So maybe that's behind it.
- 1:34But really Matt Walsh from a real person's point of view, a public figure's point of view.
- 1:39He's the person doesn't have a good chance of winning going into that because
- 1:44you got to prove that they had malicious intent when they were making these
- 1:48accusations and which is very hard to do and then it's also broadcasting all
- 1:52of these accusations false accusations that candace owens is making.
- 1:56But we're going to take a look at a couple clips of Candace's own show yesterday and what set her off.
- 2:02And she starts it off with Erica Kirk about her being maybe raised in a cult
- 2:06family, which, I mean, if that was true at all, I mean, wouldn't you have a
- 2:10little grace towards that as opposed to she she's an immediately evil for that?
- 2:16And it's getting really interesting in terms of me just wanting to learn a bit
- 2:20more about this cult. Like they said that they had said it plausible that Erica
- 2:26could have been raised in this.
- 2:27And they said there's certain things that they learn and the saying, God bless you.
- 2:32And that's the whole child of God thing. It's like you are saying certain things,
- 2:37the Lord this, the Lord that.
- 2:40So I wanted to make sure, as I always do, that I'm doing a thorough examination
- 2:42and having these conversations.
- 2:44And I'm just making a lot of research right now because it feels like it was
- 2:50just a random area. that I didn't expect, or I guess a random clue or hint that
- 2:54I didn't expect to stumble upon.
- 2:56And it gets even deeper than that. I didn't know that there was a connection
- 2:59between the family and or, that's how they rebranded, the Family International and Epstein. So I...
- 3:07So she's talking about like she wants to be as thorough as possible in vetting
- 3:11Erica Kirk, which I don't see that at all.
- 3:15It seems like overall she's been extremely, if it comes into,
- 3:19I'm going to take anything.
- 3:21The next tweet that might prove my theory, my fabricated theory that's in Candace's
- 3:26head, she just runs with it and just shotgun blasts it to everyone so they see it.
- 3:31And then she goes in, then starts investigating what I just said correct.
- 3:35I don't think she's concerned with truth at all, at all.
- 3:39And the only thing that's having her set back about this is because people are pushing back.
- 3:44And Matt Walsh is, I think he is the linchpin.
- 3:47He is the person that is hurting her credibility the most because he comes at
- 3:53it with such an analytical, logical mind, a man's mind.
- 3:57And which we can see that she just, when she's talking about go chop wood,
- 4:02men take away the microphones from men.
- 4:04Women should be the only ones gossiping we shouldn't be gossiping in the first
- 4:08place I don't know why she goes there but women should be the only ones talking
- 4:12men go do something useful go chop some wood which she says make me a sandwich
- 4:16sometimes and I think it's more.
- 4:18Is that what she wants men to do for her alright so this next clip we're going
- 4:22to take a look at and you can see that she's just getting extremely triggered
- 4:26over all of this and then there's an account on X that shares audio of something
- 4:30that's not Erica which we did not share And then they just all start,
- 4:33oh, see, investigation over.
- 4:36Somebody got something wrong. So nobody should be looking into air cuts.
- 4:38Like, that is just, I can't deal with that sort of obvious social manipulation.
- 4:46Why don't you respond to what I did? Why don't you respond to what I said?
- 4:49Why don't you go point from point?
- 4:51Why don't you sit down and debate me? If anybody would like to with the platform
- 4:54who makes videos about... Matt Walsh has said that he wants to debate her.
- 4:59I've seen Stephen Crowder wants
- 5:01to debate her. These are very high profile people that have said that.
- 5:05I have not seen Candace Owens debate anyone. She's saying this now.
- 5:10She's putting that out there, but I don't think anything's going to come to
- 5:13fruition. She only brings on people that say the same things that she wants to hear over and over.
- 5:19Me would like to actually sit down, or especially people at Turning Point,
- 5:23like I keep saying, and your best get is basically like an I'm with her campaign.
- 5:29Like Hillary Clinton's a woman, so she, you know, let's not leave her alone.
- 5:31Who cares if there's like, you know, some bodies? Who cares what happened in Haiti?
- 5:34That doesn't work. This whole idea of debating Candace, I think anybody that
- 5:38just came with it, I mean, if you don't know really anything,
- 5:41you can't speak her at all.
- 5:43Just coming with it, just with a gracious, logical mind, anything that she's
- 5:48put out there could be refuted.
- 5:50She's over and over just, and it's this manufactured rage that she's getting
- 5:55upset because she knows that her viewpoints are being challenged.
- 5:58What she has said doesn't make any sense. That's why she's moved on past Erica Kirk.
- 6:03And now she's saying, oh, we're really, we just want to vet these things more
- 6:06thoroughly. We don't want to put anything out there that's wrong.
- 6:09So we're going to move on to something else where she did a whole thing about
- 6:12Bride of Charlie, nothing was there.
- 6:15We cannot forget that. And I know the, the people that are so diehard for Candace
- 6:20Owens, that everything she says is gospel truth.
- 6:24I'm wrong at times. People can be wrong at times, you know, and she doesn't,
- 6:30she's just going with, with, with these ideas, these conceived notions that
- 6:34are in her head, that she's just trying to believe herself.
- 6:37I don't think she believes a lick of it and she's, but she makes it seem like she believes it.
- 6:42And you, But she can almost force herself temporarily to believe it for an instant.
- 6:47But what you really believe is what you really stand on, what you live by.
- 6:52And if you're just going to move past this and not retract about everything
- 6:55you've said before, it doesn't make sense.
- 6:58There's not really any credibility there. There's my arm again.
- 7:01Everyone in here, you can always see my arm every now and then.
- 7:04You're all a bunch of frauds. You're all a bunch of frauds. And you dishonor
- 7:07Charlie Kirk every day while you pretend that you're honoring him by putting
- 7:11a bubble around his widow who was not acting like a widow at all, okay?
- 7:16What is she supposed to do? Like, cry every—yeah, actually.
- 7:20Yeah, I do—you know what? I would be— That sounds so messed up.
- 7:26That sounds—I mean, can you, in your regular life, say there's a woman in your
- 7:31church, she loses her husband, and you're just, like, analyzing her so intently—.
- 7:38Are you crying enough? Not to mention that it's when we see Erica Kirk, it's on a camera.
- 7:45If you're on a camera, you act a little bit different. It's hard to act extremely
- 7:49who you are exactly because you're aware that people are watching you from every angle.
- 7:55So, I mean, imagine you just in regular life, say a woman has her husband die,
- 7:59and then you're saying, you're not crying every second that you're in front of me.
- 8:04This doesn't, it's not tethered to reality at all. okay with somebody who cried
- 8:10every day for a bit after their husband died?
- 8:11Like, what kind of a question is that? Why are you gaslighting us like it's
- 8:15weird that we expect a widow to meaningfully want to stay home and crawl up
- 8:20and cry every day after they lose their husband?
- 8:22If she was doing that, how would we see that? We would not see where she's at
- 8:27by herself with her and God in her prayer room, in her prayer closet,
- 8:31just every night. We don't know if she's, like, drenching her pillow with tears.
- 8:37We don't know what we see when she's on camera.
- 8:41Like, do you not understand that? Do you not see that? To just expect someone
- 8:45every time they go on the camera to be in crying mode.
- 8:48And then even like at the beginning when she was crying, people were questioning
- 8:53that every second and just making fun of that and say, oh, she was putting teardrops in her eyes.
- 8:59It was all created and she was making it up.
- 9:02She was acting. She has a background of performance, but that doesn't mean that she's not a real person.
- 9:08Erica Kirk is a real person that has real emotions, but either way,
- 9:12she can't win no matter what.
- 9:15Like, again, it's like, where are the humans? They're like, well,
- 9:18what do you want her to do? Cry because her husband died?
- 9:22Sorry, I don't even have my hair in a bunch today. I was like,
- 9:26I just got fired about that.
- 9:28And then she'll always turn it back to, like, you could see that Hannes was
- 9:32extremely triggered right there.
- 9:33And I think what is behind it is Matt Walsh, him coming to it.
- 9:38And then over the weekend, people that, whoever put out that video that just
- 9:42said that it was Candace, It was Erica Kirk grooming,
- 9:46underage people to you know
- 9:49just of having that like like a part of her
- 9:52life that she's because she's done ministry with
- 9:55countries in parts of the world and she's saying romania because there's
- 9:58this sex trafficking ring that's happening over there you're adjacent to all
- 10:01these things that are happening around you i mean excuse me what if you like
- 10:06what do we do like every person that's in the catholic church i know there's
- 10:09been a history of you know pedophility whatever pedo whatever it's called. Pedophilia.
- 10:16I'm not going to get on Candace about mispronouncing things.
- 10:19That's something I will not get because I do that myself. So I'm not going to say that.
- 10:23But get on the Catholic Church about pedophilia, that everyone that's a Catholic,
- 10:28because you're adjacent to that, that is on you as well. That doesn't make any sense at all.
- 10:35People are in regular life. As a Christian, we should try to go into any part
- 10:39of our life anywhere and be as gracious as possible.
- 10:43Believe all things, hope all things. You know, if someone tells you something
- 10:47that you take them at their word, you know, that's the love aspect.
- 10:51You don't, you're not immediately just scrutinize them like in thinking that
- 10:54they're doing something evil or wrong or just projecting onto them.
- 10:59Because I would say this, I want to say this about the pedophilia thing, because it.
- 11:04I know people that actually makes me a little bit happy that as a society that
- 11:09the American culture is so against that because there's so many things that
- 11:13have been thrown out the window with, you know, transgenderism,
- 11:16homosexuality that we've just accept and just, you know, put forward as like,
- 11:20it's the American dream.
- 11:22It's the way that people should be. But with pedophilia, people are like,
- 11:26it seems like we haven't devolved down into that where we just accept that.
- 11:29It seemed like for a time back in the early 2000s, I remember with whatever
- 11:33it's called NAMBLA or whatever, this North American Man Boy Association thing,
- 11:38Man Boy Love Association.
- 11:40It seemed like we were going down that route. I'm glad that we've pulled back
- 11:44to say that, yes, that is evil and wrong. We should condemn it.
- 11:48But to just blanket, like, say that everyone that disagrees with me,
- 11:52that doesn't, like, share my point of view, my opinion, labeling them a pedo,
- 11:58a pedo, a pedophilia person, like, because she has done that.
- 12:03I think about with Graham Allen, she did that because he, she,
- 12:06he, she, he, she, because he said things that, like, crossed her,
- 12:11she just immediately labeled him a pedo, you know?
- 12:15And it's like, that's not showing any grace at all because somebody disagrees
- 12:20with them that you're just gonna accuse them of something that makes no sense
- 12:24and has no evidence there.
- 12:27It's kind of disgusting at times that this is where it devolves to,
- 12:30but Candace does that over and over repeatedly.
- 12:34And she got triggered about this, about
- 12:39what's going on with Erica Kirk and everybody seeing the
- 12:43lies that she's putting forward and with
- 12:46with with this whole pedophilia thing it's like it's that's
- 12:49that's almost like the shield that she is putting in
- 12:52front of her it's it comes out as a manufactured rage that she's upset and she
- 12:57gets the people to listen to her that are diehard supporters that to be upset
- 13:02that you're you're in a mode of i need to be angry and outraged and pissed off
- 13:07about everything and these guys are just evil.
- 13:10This woman is evil. And instead of extending charity to someone,
- 13:15and I try to be as charitable as possible with everything, even Candace Jones,
- 13:19when I'm analyzing what she's doing, but there has to be a time where we stand
- 13:22up, you know, and say like, you gotta,
- 13:24what you're doing is wrong. We're calling it out.
- 13:26And she just has such a big mic. She has a big influence over so many people
- 13:31that I think if we just sat back and just let her roll with,
- 13:35especially if you're blanket libeling people and just...
- 13:41Ruining their reputation, which I mean, I think if we want to have ministry
- 13:46over in different countries across the world, that's a good thing.
- 13:49If we're going into the darkest places on this planet and trying to bring the
- 13:53light of Christ, that's a good thing.
- 13:56Not because you're adjacent to that and you're, you're close to where all this
- 14:00evil is happening, that they're, that you're evil.
- 14:03You know, that would be like calling Jesus evil because he, he ate and drank
- 14:07with tax collectors and sinners.
- 14:09You know, he, he, he spent time with them.
- 14:12He was with them. He like, he did life with them. He, in the worst parts of
- 14:16what was called the, the forgotten people there, the ones that were the sinners, they're the sinners.
- 14:22And I think that's, that is what, like, I think over and over in my life,
- 14:26what I see with the devil does, he takes the most good, the best,
- 14:30the things that are the most pure and good and wholesome, and he loves to flip
- 14:34it and turn it upside on its head and make it evil and just destroy people.
- 14:41I've had in my own life, I find the things that I go and I want to do something good.
- 14:45That's where the the devil attacks me the most and
- 14:48just really screws me up really messes
- 14:52me up because he doesn't want me to step out and doing
- 14:54what's good he wants me to sit back and just
- 14:57take it in my face or whatever and just he wants to like because if he sees
- 15:02you stepping out trying to do what's right he wants to put a stop to that and
- 15:07erica kurt doing things in her life not not to mention she that say she grew
- 15:11up in a family that's a cult or whatever if she was it's like,
- 15:15wouldn't you extend grace to that person you're you're
- 15:18being raised in it like at least that part of your life i don't think where
- 15:22she's even taken all this i think it's it's it's bull it's not there's nothing
- 15:26really there it's just she's making it up of course we have everybody has messed
- 15:30up lives there are things that we we do that are not great there are things
- 15:34that our does this not great,
- 15:35it doesn't mean that we're irredeemable, you know?
- 15:39So the bottom line, what's going on is Matt Walsh has put out there, he wants to debate her.
- 15:45He wants to talk through this. Let's actually see it.
- 15:48Because Candace is saying it as well. But let's see if that actually happens.
- 15:51I'll debate you, Candace. I'll talk about through this as well.
- 15:54Because a lot of the points that you're making is, has no, it's not standing
- 15:58on really anything firm. It's just, just gossip.
- 16:02Making things up. And just causing masses of people to believe it.
- 16:07Because you want to get them in rage.
- 16:09Manufactured rage. Repeat. It's on repeat.
- 16:12All right. We'll leave it at that. Let me know. Drop a comment.
- 16:14Let me know what you think about Candace Owens. Let me know if you think I'm right.
- 16:18Or what you believe about what is all happening right here. We'll leave it at
- 16:22that. Have a good day, everyone.