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5/11/26: Hantavirus Scares Erupt, AOC Vs MTG On Israel, Larry Wilkerson On Iran War · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: Should we get to the mortgage lantavirus?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, hantavirus, Crystal. Let's start. We can play some
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  Speaker 4: of what it was looking like yesterday as people disembarked
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  Speaker 4: in Spain that ship obviously where people have been quarantined
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  Speaker 4: for a really long time since d one. You'll be
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  Speaker 4: able to see it off see it on the screen,
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  Speaker 4: and if you're listening to it, what you're seeing is
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  Speaker 4: the ship coming into port in Spain's Canary Islands and
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  Speaker 4: people started to disembark finally after I believe they actually
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  Speaker 4: got on the ship on March twenty ninth. I think
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  Speaker 4: that was the first day of travel. Uh in this
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  Speaker 4: ship where the haunts of virus was spreading. Three deceased
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  Speaker 4: already in connection with it. So how significant is the
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  Speaker 4: haunt of virus? Is another coronavirus. Let's dig into this
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  Speaker 4: a little bit and go to the president being asked
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  Speaker 4: recently if he was briefed on the haunt of virus.
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  Speaker 4: This is going to be the next This is D two.
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  Speaker 4: Let's take a listen on Okay, thank.
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  Speaker 3: You the virus on the virus, Yes, I have.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think you're going to be told everything and
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  Speaker 5: you already have.
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  Speaker 6: It's very much.
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  Speaker 7: We hope under control.
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  Speaker 8: There was the ship and.
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  Speaker 9: I think we're going to make a full.
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  Speaker 5: Report about it tomorrow. We have a lot of people,
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  Speaker 5: there's a lot of great people studying it.
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  Speaker 8: It should be fine.
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  Speaker 2: We hope, I hope not.
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  Speaker 8: I mean I hope not.
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  Speaker 4: We'll do the best week. Yeah, all right, So what
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  Speaker 4: you heard there's invocation of the word hope twice, I
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  Speaker 4: hope not hopefully under control.
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  Speaker 10: Let's take a listen to.
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  Speaker 3: Nh confidence inspiring.
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  Speaker 10: Yes, how can you not take that run with it?
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  Speaker 4: Crystal Nias director Jay Botacharia, who comes out of who
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  Speaker 4: actually was appointed to this position because of some of
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  Speaker 4: what I would argue his passion work during the coronavirus pandemic.
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  Speaker 4: He is now the director of the NAH. Here is
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  Speaker 4: him on State of the Union with Jake TAPPERCI and
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  Speaker 4: then yesterday asking answering questions about the haunt of virus.
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  Speaker 11: I'm told that it can take up to six weeks
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  Speaker 11: for somebody who was exposed to hantavirus to begin to
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  Speaker 11: show symptoms. So that is about four weeks ago, so
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  Speaker 11: they're not technically out of the woods yet, there's still
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  Speaker 11: two weeks left. When did you begin monitoring these seven?
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  Speaker 11: Do any of them have any symptoms?
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think it's we first learned about the CDC
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  Speaker 12: roughly the time they started to come home. I think
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  Speaker 12: maybe three weeks go. I'd definitely look the exact dates
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  Speaker 12: up Jake, but it's but I've been I've been tracking
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  Speaker 12: the situation. The CDC teams have been tracking the situation
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  Speaker 12: for a while now. Where As I said, we're going
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  Speaker 12: close contact with the state and local public health agencies
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  Speaker 12: for protocols for managing these patients, including contact tracing UH,
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  Speaker 12: regular check ins, symptoms, checks and UH and if there's
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  Speaker 12: if there's if there's any like symptoms that develop protocols
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  Speaker 12: for getting them to to care rapidly and testing them.
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  Speaker 12: So it's been it's been basically the whole the whole time.
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  Speaker 12: I think it's it's been interesting to again, it's so
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  Speaker 12: interested to watch a lot of the a lot of
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  Speaker 12: the UH. The thinking around this UH is colored, I
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  Speaker 12: think by the COVID experience in the in the press.
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  Speaker 12: But the protocols that we have followed are more in
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  Speaker 12: line with the normal haunt of virus protocols that again
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  Speaker 12: were followed in twenty eighteen in the United States.
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  Speaker 11: Well, unlike all the precautions we're seeing this morning, a
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  Speaker 11: few weeks ago, when these seven people flew home, they
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  Speaker 11: flew home with lots of other passengers. Has there been
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  Speaker 11: an effort to do contact racing and let those other
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  Speaker 11: passengers know who interacted with those seven.
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  Speaker 12: So those passengers, those those past those passions on the
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  Speaker 12: ship that flew home were not symptomatic when they flew home.
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  Speaker 12: So there, because the virus doesn't spread unless somebody has
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  Speaker 12: active symptoms, those passengers on the planes are considered contacts
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  Speaker 12: of contacts. So again there's not there's not a there's
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  Speaker 12: not a reason to do that kind of like you know,
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  Speaker 12: sort of recursive contact tracing. But you do want to
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  Speaker 12: make sure that you check them regularly to so that
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  Speaker 12: they don't have if they if they develop symptoms, or
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  Speaker 12: if there's other other other considerations, give them advice, especially
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  Speaker 12: to to to if they are if they're if they're
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  Speaker 12: uh to reduce their contacts with other others when it's
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  Speaker 12: appropriate to do so.
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  Speaker 4: Crystal reaction to Trump and Jay Badacharia. There, they are
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  Speaker 4: going to get more. I mean, so right now, we
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  Speaker 4: just put this New York Times ter shoot up on
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  Speaker 4: the screen. Next element, right now, what we have is
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  Speaker 4: US passengers who are aboard the ship. They are being
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  Speaker 4: they're disembarking, and as we just saw, they are now
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  Speaker 4: going to be quarantined at a center in Nebraska. So
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  Speaker 4: they're being transported to the center in Nebraska. These are
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  Speaker 4: the American citizens who had been aboard the ship. And
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  Speaker 4: the next element here NBC News. Seven states are preparing
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  Speaker 4: to receive Americans possibly exposed to the hantavirus. So the
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  Speaker 4: US has entered emergency response mode as a cruise ship
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  Speaker 4: hit by a deadly handed virus outbreaks sales towards one
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  Speaker 4: of Spain's Canary Islands. Of the one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 4: passengers on board, seventeen of them are Americans, and seven
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  Speaker 4: states are preparing their emergency response for people who are
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  Speaker 4: potentially exposed to this to return home and to also
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  Speaker 4: just tracking the spread where this could have already gone
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  Speaker 4: in the United States based on that incubation period Tapper
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  Speaker 4: was referring to apparently up.
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  Speaker 10: To six weeks.
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  Speaker 4: Six weeks and some American passengers disembarked along with others
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  Speaker 4: on April twenty fourth, So states like Georgia, Texas they're
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  Speaker 4: monitoring two residents who are on the ship. Arizona and
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  Speaker 4: Virginia each have one resident who disembarked that ship on
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  Speaker 4: the twenty fourth. California as well, there's one California resident
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  Speaker 4: who is on board the ship. New Jersey has two
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  Speaker 4: residents who were not on the ship but could have been.
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  Speaker 10: Exposed to an infected person.
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  Speaker 4: Texas as well has residents who were on board that
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  Speaker 4: they are monitoring. So potentially rather dangerous situation. Crystal, but
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  Speaker 4: the World Health Organization just before I'll toss it to
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  Speaker 4: you after we listen to it. Who outbreak expert here
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  Speaker 4: from the World Health Organization who says this.
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  Speaker 10: Is different from coronavirus D four.
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  Speaker 13: This is not coronavirus. This is a very different virus.
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  Speaker 13: We know this virus HUNTA viruses have been around for
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  Speaker 13: quite a while. There's a lot of detail that we know.
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  Speaker 13: I'm going to ask Anius to come in and say this,
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  Speaker 13: but I want to be unequivocal here. This is not
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  Speaker 13: stars Kobe two. This is not the start of a
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  Speaker 13: COVID pandemic. This is an outbreak that we see on
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  Speaker 13: a ship. There's a confined area. We have five confirmed
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  Speaker 13: cases so far. We completely understand why these questions are coming,
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  Speaker 13: and we are trying to provide all of the information
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  Speaker 13: that we can. That's why we're having a press conference
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  Speaker 13: here to give accurate information, and we're grateful for all
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  Speaker 13: of those who out there who are asking these types
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  Speaker 13: of questions. But this is not the same situation we
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  Speaker 13: were in six years ago. It doesn't spread the same
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  Speaker 13: way like coronaviruses do.
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  Speaker 3: It's very different.
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  Speaker 13: It's that close intimate contact that we've seen, and most
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  Speaker 13: hantaviruses don't transmit between people at all. Most hantaviruses are
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  Speaker 13: transmitted from rodents or their feces or their saliva in
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  Speaker 13: their droppings to people. And only this one particular virus,
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  Speaker 13: these virus which has been identified here, we've seen some
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  Speaker 13: human human transmission.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get to that in just one second. How this
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  Speaker 4: may have transmitted. But Crystal Virginia, you're in one of
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  Speaker 4: the states affected here, Ay, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, I have to hope that lady is right because
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  Speaker 2: we are so screwed as a country if we have
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  Speaker 2: another pandemic, Like, no one is going to believe anything,
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  Speaker 2: and like a libertarian approach to a pandemic is a
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  Speaker 2: horrifying idea because we do all live together and have
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  Speaker 2: to do some community things. And if the science says
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  Speaker 2: you need to isolate and you need to take these precautions,
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  Speaker 2: then look, there are values that underpin that, and those
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  Speaker 2: values can be debated, but no one is going to
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  Speaker 2: believe anything, and it is going to be a total
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  Speaker 2: and complete mess. We have a Health and Human Services
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  Speaker 2: Secretary and RFK Junior, who is a total nut jab crank,
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  Speaker 2: completely ideological. He's staffed all of these agencies with fellow
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  Speaker 2: ideological travelers, I mean, Baticharia even like indulged his idea
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  Speaker 2: that autism is caused by vaccines and wanted to pull
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  Speaker 2: the mRNA vaccine off the market and all this kind
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  Speaker 2: of nonsense.
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  Speaker 3: So it will be such a disaster.
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  Speaker 2: I just have to assume that this is going to
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  Speaker 2: be fine and it's not going to spread further, and
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  Speaker 2: we're all going to be okay, because I can't wrap
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  Speaker 2: my head around while with everything else that is going on,
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  Speaker 2: I just cannot wrap my head around what will happen
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  Speaker 2: to this country if we actually had another pandemic.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I remember saying this right as things were
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  Speaker 4: starting to fall away like we have not for the
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  Speaker 4: original restrictions and such from COVID were starting to fall away,
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  Speaker 4: like we didn't earn a reprieve from a pandemic, like
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  Speaker 4: we didn't earn another century, like with the Spanish flu
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  Speaker 4: to from twenty I'm sorry, from nineteen nineteen to twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 4: It's not like that's guaranteed that you just like you
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  Speaker 4: went through a really tough time and thankfully it's behind
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  Speaker 4: us and we won't have to deal with it ever again.
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  Speaker 4: This can pop up at any any time, and I
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  Speaker 4: think maybe the first piece I wrote during COVID was like,
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  Speaker 4: prepare for a pandemic during an era of low institutional trust,
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  Speaker 4: which Crystal now feels so quaint because the institutional trust
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  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty versus institutional trust in twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 4: is such a different ballgame, completely different ballgame like it
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  Speaker 4: has been. Where we are now our ability to actually
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  Speaker 4: go along with any collective measures if they were if
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  Speaker 4: they were absolutely necessary. I mean, you and I do
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  Speaker 4: this for a living, and actually getting to the bottom
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  Speaker 4: of what's happening in these situations is difficult enough because
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  Speaker 4: the World Health Organization, the woman who's talking to you
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  Speaker 4: now from the World Health Organization, was also in charge
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  Speaker 4: of the COVID response, So it's like you're getting your
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  Speaker 4: information either from her or from I don't know, like
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  Speaker 4: RFK Junior, who a lot of people don't have trust in,
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  Speaker 4: so good luck to us or should they I gots
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  Speaker 4: nor should they like best of luck? Well the reason
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  Speaker 4: that some people have trusted in r f K Juniors
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  Speaker 4: because they also shouldn't have trust in his enemies, like
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  Speaker 4: his enemies have proven themselves untrustworthy, and so then you
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  Speaker 4: get it's like with Trump right, like people put their
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  Speaker 4: trust in him because his enemies have proven untrustworthy, and
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  Speaker 4: it becomes a vicious cycle and nobody knows actually where
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  Speaker 4: to turn for good information, and that situation has only
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  Speaker 4: gotten worse believe it or not since twenty twenty. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: everybody believes it. But that's how bad it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be God forbid, Like it will be such
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  Speaker 2: a mess, it will be a disaster, so many people
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  Speaker 2: will die on necessay. It's just we just can't please God.
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  Speaker 2: We just can't please Emily do some extra praying for us.
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  Speaker 3: Because we just can't.
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  Speaker 10: Gotcha, I gotcha. Just don't ask the Etsy witches for help.
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  Speaker 10: I don't think that's gonna work.
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  Speaker 3: You don't think so.
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  Speaker 10: I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe it's for the try. I was going to say
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  Speaker 3: them that is anything else.
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  Speaker 2: There was one noteworthy update, though, I wanted to put
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  Speaker 2: D eight up on the screen. So part of this
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  Speaker 2: story was that the original notion was that the patient
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  Speaker 2: zero in terms of this ship, that he and his
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  Speaker 2: wife had gone bird watching at a landfill and that
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  Speaker 2: that was where they I mean, this is logical, right,
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  Speaker 2: You've got birds like landfills. Apparently this is something that
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  Speaker 2: birdwatchers do because there's a lot of birds at landfills
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  Speaker 2: because there's a reliable food source, but also rats like
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  Speaker 2: landfills for obvious reasons. And so the thought was, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: this is where they contracted this particular type of hunt
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  Speaker 2: of virus where you can spread a person a person,
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  Speaker 2: and that's what makes this like really scary. But apparently
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  Speaker 2: the timetable for that does not work out. And they
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  Speaker 2: had also visited this other area in Argentina where there
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  Speaker 2: is a known infection and spread and problem of weeks earlier,
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  Speaker 2: unrelated to any landfill bird watching. So apparently the bird
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  Speaker 2: watching sort of indicated here. So did want to did
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  Speaker 2: want to make sure that people had that update.
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  Speaker 4: Well, just like the pangolin speaking of history rhyming, just
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  Speaker 4: like the vindication of the pangolin back in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 4: But actually, I mean they aren't totally vindicated because as
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  Speaker 4: far as we know, they still did this, and in
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  Speaker 4: my book, that's not vindication. Kind of like at birds
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  Speaker 4: of a landfill and remote South America, I'm not I
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  Speaker 4: just and if you didn't cause the virus outbreak, I
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  Speaker 4: refuse to vindicate.
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  Speaker 10: You get better home.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to encourage similar behavior from others, please, like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to pourage I don't want to encourage
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  Speaker 2: any behavior, risky behavior of just people going on cruise
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  Speaker 2: ships in general. Let's put D seven up on the screen.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently there's a massive outbreak of neurovirus, which is neurovirus
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  Speaker 2: is hell. I'm sure everybody watching this has had it
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  Speaker 2: having kids. I've had it multiple times. It's horrendous. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: you've got one hundred and fifteen people on this cruise
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  Speaker 2: ship who contracted neurovirus, which, again, absolute nightmare. Cruise ships
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  Speaker 2: are gross. They're just like floating peachrie dishes. People do
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  Speaker 2: something else for your vacations. Please, Let's take off the
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  Speaker 2: potential vacation list cruise ships and landfill visits.
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  Speaker 3: How about that?
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  Speaker 4: And then when you combine both of them, you do
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  Speaker 4: visit and then you get on a cruise ship.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's also go to a part of argin
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  Speaker 2: a remote part of Argentina where there's a haunt of
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  Speaker 2: virus don't break, and then hop on the cruise ship.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do that too.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, no, why not? What could go wrong? What could
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  Speaker 10: go wrong?
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  Speaker 4: I tried to get it so that our next breaking
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  Speaker 4: point staff re treat, actually our first breaking We haven't
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  Speaker 4: done a Strafford treat. But if we did, Crystal, I
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  Speaker 4: think it should be on a cruise ship. I think
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  Speaker 4: we should take a biking river cruise.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to zoom into that one.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Just give me the meeting link.
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  Speaker 10: I'll be there the meeting link for but you can't
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  Speaker 10: log off. It's twenty four to seven.
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  Speaker 4: It's just a live feed from the Viking River cruise ship.
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  Speaker 10: All right, well we'll probably not do that.
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  Speaker 4: Let's talk about a much more fun subject. I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: this will cause no controversy whatsoever. Oh yeah, yeah, let's
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  Speaker 4: do it. Let's do it, Crystal. What should we what
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  Speaker 4: should we be thinking about right now? When it comes
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  Speaker 4: to Marjorie Taylor Green AOC and.
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  Speaker 2: Israel so AO did do a few podcast appearances last
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  Speaker 2: week Friendly Spaces. But still, you know, she's getting out
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  Speaker 2: there a little bit more. And she did this talk
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  Speaker 2: at a university with David Axelrod and got asked a
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  Speaker 2: question about how she thinks about working in a bipartisan
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  Speaker 2: manner with figures like Marjorie Taylor Green. Let's go and
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  Speaker 2: take a listen to how AOC responded to that I.
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  Speaker 3: Care about results. I care about results.
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  Speaker 14: Now, there are certain places where, certain areas where I
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  Speaker 14: don't think that that we should ignore some folks record
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  Speaker 14: on some of these issues. Right, It's about where we
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  Speaker 14: trust intent, where we trust where those outcomes are going.
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  Speaker 14: I personally do not trust someone like Marjorie Taylor Green,
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  Speaker 14: a proven bigot and anti semi on the issues of
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  Speaker 14: what is good for Gossens and Israelis.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I don't think that.
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  Speaker 14: It benefits our movement in that instance to align the
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  Speaker 14: left with white nationalists.
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  Speaker 10: I don't think it serves us.
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  Speaker 14: And so I think it's about looking at the context,
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  Speaker 14: the place, the results, the outcomes, intentions, and where we
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  Speaker 14: think that train would go. But as far as what
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  Speaker 14: someone says about me, and I'm too careless, and you know,
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  Speaker 14: I think it's really about what our outcomes are. And
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  Speaker 14: to be honest, there are some areas where things will
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  Speaker 14: not get done if they're partisan because they are anti establishment.
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  Speaker 14: There is bipartisan consensus on keeping and protecting stock trading
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  Speaker 14: in Congress, and so it's going to require a massive
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  Speaker 14: bipartisan consensus of people willing to come together across those
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  Speaker 14: differences to get it done.
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  Speaker 2: So we got a response from former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green.
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  Speaker 2: WoT can put this up on the screen. She says,
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  Speaker 2: AOC refused to vote for my ev amendment to strip
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  Speaker 2: funding for Israel. She can run her mouth all she wants,
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  Speaker 2: but votes are the only thing that matters, not a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of words, a nasty name calling. And that's true,
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  Speaker 2: and in fact, I recall if I got recall correctly,
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  Speaker 2: the reason AOC said she did not vote for that
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: amendment is because she run into protect funding for Iron
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Dome quote unquote defensive funding, which of course is not
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: a position that I agree with or really find acceptable.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Is something that I pushed Alyssa's Lootkin on when we
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: had her on last year to talk about this as well.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I have so many thoughts on this, Emily, So I think,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: first of all, one of the ways that this conversation
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: has kind of fallen apart online is when people talk
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: about Marjorie Taylor Green or talk about Tucker Carlson and
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: you know what the left's relationship to them should be.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I feel like.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of there's a gulf between expectations of
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: what that sort of quote unquote ally ship would look like.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: You know, it's one thing I agree with AOC, Like,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of reasons to continue to
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: be skeptical of Marjorie Taylor Green. I'll get into some
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: of the things she's said and done that there has
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: not been an explanation for it. Hey, how did you
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: completely change your views one hundred and eighty degrees? Have
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: you changed your views one hundred eighty degrees or do
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: you still hold these incredibly bigoted, Islamophobic views that you
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: espoused in the past. Like, I think there is a
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: lot of explaining to do still. I think there are
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: a lot of amends to be made still from Marjorie
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Taylor Green before people are just going to go, oh, yeah,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: welcome to the cause. You're our ally, But do I
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: think it's incredibly useful to be able to show someone
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: like her, someone like Tucker Carlson, someone like Thomas Massey,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: others who are on the right who have been strident
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: Trump's supporters, who now have this very aggressive criticism of
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: Trump and specifically on the issue of Israel, and specifically
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: on the issue of Israel and the US committing a genocide,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: do I think it's important to say thank you for
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: agreeing with us on this, this is very important and
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: uplifting those voices in the context of a post Trump. Yeah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: I think that's very useful. I think it's something the
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: right does all the time. By the way, I mean,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: if you look at the last election, Emily, part of
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: how Trump was able to succeed was by taking people
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: who were former Democrats or former liberals or seen as
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: being you know, in the center, independent or whatever, and
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: finding the places where they agreed with him or supported
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: him and really uplifting that. And that was part of
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: how he built a coalition together. Now again, do I
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: think that means you should like trust Marjorie Taylor Green?
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Even from the perspective of how do you change your
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: views so holding completely in one year? Is there just
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: like a petty motivation here, and what would keep you
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: from then switching your views again completely to the other side.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: That's a really good question.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: But the other thing I would say is, you know,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: a MTG has more sort of explaining and amends to make,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: but AOC also has some amends to make here, And
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: in particular, there is something Jasper Nathaniel pointed out and
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: it's not an original thought, but she went on the
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: stage at the DAN and said Kama's working tirelessly for
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: a ceasefire. That was really it was not true. First
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: of all, I think that's important that that was just
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: a lie. And second of all, it came at a
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: time where they were trying very hard to maintain a
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: position of support for genocide, but get progressives and leftists
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and people of good conscience who were worried about being
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: complicit in that genocide to get them on board. AOC
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: being a person who has a lot of credibility with
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the Left, going out there and carrying water and propagating
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: that lie at the very DNC where they would not
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: even allow a Palestinia American on stage to speak. Yeah,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: that was very harmful. People aren't just going to let
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: that go, nor should they. So I would like to
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: also see her. That's not to say she's, you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: like she can never be forgiven for that or any
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: but I would like to hear from her why she
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: said that. I would like to hear from her that
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: that was a mistake. I would like to hear from
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: her that that was damn and and so I think
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: that she also has some amends to make. I think
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: she also has some you know, explaining to do on
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: how her position has shifted and if her position has
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: completely shifted, because you do have recent votes where she
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: still was she still was doing that. So defensive weapons,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: offensive weapons, et.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Cetera right, and we have that thought right of her
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: at the DNC. We should roll it because it's I
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: had actually forgotten how I don't even wrote the right
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: how aggressively pro Harris that speech was, So we should
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: just roll this here.
• 21:34
  Speaker 10: It's going to be E three.
• 21:35
  Speaker 15: She understands the urgency of red checks and groceries and prescriptions.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: She is ads committed to.
• 21:44
  Speaker 15: Our reproductive and civil rights as she is to taking
• 21:48
  Speaker 15: on corporate greed, and she is working tirelessly to secure
• 21:57
  Speaker 15: a ceasefire in Gaza and bring hostages.
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: Aggressive.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: I mean that is yeah, that is an eager message
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: in support of Kamala Harris.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm not sure I bought by that a
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: corporate greed aspect either, given the way she walked back
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: from some of the originally very powerful proposals she had
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: with regard to corporate greed as she moved more into
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: the arms of Mark Cuban and some of the other
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: advisors who pushed her in a more corporate direction and
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: to de emphasize some of those positions she had had
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: held originally. But yeah, I mean the other piece here
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: that you know, just to back up AOC. And also
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: we should keep in mind here, these are human beings,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: and Marjorie Taylor Green has been viciously nasty and harassing
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: of AOC. Those are very hard things to get past
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: because you look at someone your lego, this, this is
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: your true character. Whatever you're doing now To try to
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: position yourself as a moral actor is an act, because
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I've seen your own vindictiveness to my face.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: But in any case, that's.
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: The argument and TG makes about Trump.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Just to keep those two things in the same space
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: for a moment like that's true.
• 23:03
  Speaker 10: It's exactly the argument she's made. Like her break with Trump.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: At one point she texted him saying her son was
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: getting threats and if she could he could dial down
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: some of his attacks on her, and he basically went
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: and said, no, it's your fault, blah blah blah. And
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: she tells that Rey a lot about how it kind
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: of showed his character in a moment of test after
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: she had gone on the line for him for so
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: many years, which is all true. And so that character
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: argument does of course go both ways to your point, Christ.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, and so we could put E four
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: up on the screen. Marjorie Taylor Green really pushed this
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: condemnation of Rashida to leave. She said that this one
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: proud to stand with Israel along my Republican colleagues, AOC
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: ilan Omar, she just leave. I had a pressing Corey
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Bush the Jihad Squad openly support hamas terrorists attacking Israel. Okay,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: that's what she said again there she was an apology
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: for this.
• 23:58
  Speaker 16: And that one.
• 24:00
  Speaker 10: Do you see the press conference.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: She's behind a giant Israeli Yeah, so to October seventh.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, So you know when MTG says, well, votes
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: are all the matter, Well, if you stack up the
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: voting record between her and AOC over any length of
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: period of time outside of that one vote, AOC comes
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: out on top, head and shoulders, is not even close, right,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: It's not even close. And then we could put you
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: five up on the screen. This is after Zora mom
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Donnie is elected mayor of New York and she posts this,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I guess this is on Instagram. It's the statue of
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Liberty cloaked in a burka. So you know this is
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the sort of islamophobic content that she was posting. This
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: was quite recent, right, Zoran was.
• 24:42
  Speaker 10: Not last year?
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not that long ago.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I guess this was after the primary victory. But still, yeah,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: this was not like ancient history.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: And again we have it.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: We have seen Marjorie Taylor Green grapple with some of
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: her positions, talk about, for example, how she got sucked
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: into QAnon. I have not per maybe she said it,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: and I haven't followed all of her content, but I
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: have not personally heard her grapple with her own hateful
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: bigotry when it comes to Muslims. And I think that
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: would be very important. And that doesn't mean either that
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: would be sufficient to completely trust this individual, but you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I do think that would be an important thing to
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: hear if you want to be someone that's taken seriously
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: as actually defending human rights at this point in a
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: universal way, and not just put picking a new racial
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: scapegoat that you find to be more evil than the
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: previous racial scapegoat that you were pushing. So you know,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: from that perspective, I understand where AOC is coming from.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I would just say, I think this is all if
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: you're just looking at like my ideological lens and trying
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: to elect progressives and trying to have a better place
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: with regard to our relationship to Israel and opposing genocide
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and supporting human rights. I think Marjorie Taylor Green is
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: very useful. I think that, you know, the things she
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: said have been important. I have appreciated the things that
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: she has said with regard to genocide in particular. I
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: feel very similarly about Tucker Carlson, who I also do
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: not trust, who I also think has a Christian nationalist
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: view overall. So it's not like I'm going to make
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: common cause with him. But do I find him use
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: politically useful in this moment when I think we need
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: to rethink our approach to the world and certainly our
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: relationship with Israel, and need to get back to a
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: place where universal human rights are something that we can
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: talk about and something we aspire to. Yes, I find
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: them useful in that regard.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Well, this is a really interesting just the quandary that
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: the left has found itself in over MTG is I
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: think really useful in the way that it blends the
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: personal and the political, and that's kind of what you're
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: getting at. Is Like, there's so many people who have
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: personal skepticism of AOC's character as opposed to like her
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: utility as a leftist in Congress, and that's where you
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: saw them kind of comparing AOC's But it's at Israel,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: some people comparing SC's votes on Israel to MTG's and
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: the way that MTG like, actually, as soon as she
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: changed her mind went out and started voting on this stuff.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: And I actually think there are a lot of people
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: on the right who changed their minds about this. It's
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: quickly in the scope of kind of the history of
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: the conservative movement and positions on Israel, but it happened
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: over the course of a couple of years, and it
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: was a build up, you know. For me, it started
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: before October seventh, and you guys gave me a lot
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: of grace on that.
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: We've talked about it extensively.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: But for a lot of people it started in the
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: last couple of years of that war, and it was
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: because people on the right became really skeptical. Obviously even
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: more skeptical had they as they had already been of
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: what was coming out of the media, and when people
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: started to see the rug get pulled out from under
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: them with these narratives, people started questioning everything basically, And
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: so I don't necessarily I think she's had a pretty
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: normal transition from point A to point B. That a
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: lot of conservatives, especially conservatives who are like kind of
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: America first people who were motivated by Maga to get
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: involved in politics, exactly like her, to start paying attention
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: to politics. I think it's it's pretty it's pretty normal
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: and consistent with what a lot of people experience.
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: And I do think she.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Put herself on the line and like has been fairly
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: brave in pushing back against some of this stuff. But
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: just as she was brave, you know, to be as
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: pro Trump as she was in Washington, even when I
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: disagreed with her and many people disagreed with her, it
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: was uncommon to be like that, you know, pro just
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: as like the sort of like rally going Maga voter.
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: It takes some bravery to do.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: That in Congress, because even the ones who act like
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: it for the cameras don't do that behind the scenes.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: They don't believe any of it. Behind the scenes. Many
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: of them, so I have some respect for her. I
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: wish she hadn't quit. I genuinely wish that she hadn't quit,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: because then we would get to see where some of
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: these votes and piece of legislation that she was introducing
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: would go going forward. But Crystal, this actually makes me
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: think we should perhaps invite her to talk about what
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: she thinks on some of these questions.
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: Now, it would be interesting.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I would be down for that, because absolutely be down
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: for that.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: She had a really interesting interview in the View where
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: she actually apologized for her rhetoric and for her actions,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: and she stepped back from some of it and said
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: she felt like she contributed to a lot of the
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: tensions that had escalated in Washington. I do think it
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: would be interesting to hear some of that from her,
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: because her tactics and rhetoric actually is kind of an
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: interesting part of the picture here.
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: So we'll say.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, but it's a very it is a quandary
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: for the left, and I think I don't blame anybody
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: for being skeptical, but the political utility is I think
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: it is fairly obvious. It's just the personal questions that
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: remain unresolved.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Absolutely and the point you raised about her, which she
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: hadn't quit, is a really important one because if she
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: was in Congress right now, there are there's a lot
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: she could be doing. She could be, you know, an
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: ally for Thomas Massey, she could be an ally for Rocana.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: She could be taking votes that actually matter, and in
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: a very closely divided house, that could be making a difference. So,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: you know, one place where I slightly disagree with our
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: beloved Ryan Grimm is you know he said she paid,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: she paid a political price. Well, there's no doubt that
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: it was going to make it more difficult for her
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: in her district. She also quit before she really paid
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: a political price, you know, she didn't should find out
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: if she could withstand the onslaught. Whereas Thomas Massey is
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: still in there in his seat. He's up against a
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: very well funded primary opponent. He has got Trump backing,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: you know, strongly backing his primary opponent and attacking him
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: all the time, and he's in there fighting the good
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: fight and taking it and doing his best. So I
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: do think that that is very unfortunate that she decided
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: to quit rather than try to hold on to these
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: newfound principles in a boy where it really makes a difference.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: The other thing that I would say is, you know,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: AOC called her an anti Semite, and I think at
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: this point, because of the way that term has been
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: so use to it used that you really need to offer
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: concrete examples of what you mean by that. You know,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: when you say that, why how did you come to
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: that conclusion? But I also will say that some significant
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: chunk of the Republican newfound Republican antipathy towards Israel is
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: about anti Semitism, is about Graperism and Nick Fuentes and
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: noticing and just direct anti site. It doesn't come from
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: a place of we believe in universal human rights. It
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: comes from a place of, oh, we decided the Jews
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: are actually worse than the Muslims. We decided that the
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Jews are the real problem in this country, not Israel,
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: not our policy towards a foreign country, but quote unquote
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: the Jews and Marjorie Taylor Green who trafficked and some
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: anti Consubmitic conspiracies in the past that you're space slazer
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: thing or whatever that was. It's it's a reasonable question
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: to say, is this where you're coming from? Are you
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: coming from a place of where all God's children and
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: participating in this barbarism is horrifying, or are you coming
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: from a place of I have a new ranking of
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: racial superiority and I have a new Rachel scapegoat. I
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: don't think it's out of the question, given her previously
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: state of views, her previous her very clear islamophobia from
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the past. I don't think that it is out of
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: the question to push with her where these views come from.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: And you know so, I think that skepticism is fair
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: and is warranted with regards to her, with regards to
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson, with regards to others on the right who
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: have made a very quick pivot towards being anti Israel,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: and who have flirted or overtly embraced bigoted narratives, racially
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: charged narratives in the past.
• 32:52
  Speaker 10: I wouldn't say that a question.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: I do think her Tucker, I mean Tucker has sort
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: of started to his I mean, he is getting slammed
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: by the right for this now, to for even saying
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: that he thinks he was suckered in by some propaganda.
• 33:07
  Speaker 10: Campaigns on Islam.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: And I don't know where MTG would actually be interesting
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: to see MTG get on the record about some of
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: this stuff, but from him, from MTG, from like Carry Prijan,
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: some of them are leading very heavily with this exactly,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: this religious argument, saying that nobody, like nobody should be
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: treated like the people of Goza were treated for the
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: last several years. And Tucker said last week he thinks
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: that actually Israelis are less safe jew Whish Israelis are
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: less safe.
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: Now than ever before.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: I feel like they've definitely led in with that aspect
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: of this, that it's just destruction of human life that's
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: really enraged them. And so I feel like I feel
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: pretty comfortable. I don't again, I don't think it's I
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: don't think you're wrong, that's out of the question. I
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: feel pretty comfortable at least personally, that they're coming from
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: a place of horror and discussed at what transpired over
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: the last several years and not you know, attributing that
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: to anybody for purposes of immutable characteristics and the like.
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: But it's I mean, we'll see where this goes from here.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, yeho was.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I don't feel comfortable just simply because again, to stick
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: with the case of Marjorie Taylor, Green. It would mean
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: that she's not only broken with Trump, and she not
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: only changed her view on Israel, but truly some of
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: her foundational views of the world have changed, right because
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: she was obviously in the past not coming from a
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: place of we are all equal and everyone deserves equal rights.
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: So is she in a different place on that? I'm
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: open to that. I'm open to it, but I don't know.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: And so you know, that's that's where I am.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Again.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Do I find her political use Absolutely? Do I think
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: we should do. I think we should embrace and encourage
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: the things that she said in opposition to genocide and
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: in favor and you know, in opposition to this horrible barbarism. Yes,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: think we should also embrace, you know, the genuine outreach
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: that she's made, for sure. But you know, do I
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: still have some deep concerns about what her underlying ideology
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: is and what sort of things she could easily push
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: in the future.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Yes, those concerns certainly remain totally fair.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: I actually think that's one of the big fault lines
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: and the like left right foreign policy coalition right now
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: or emergent coalition. I think one of the fault lines
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: is even probably some things that like you and I
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: would disagree on, or Soger and Ryan all this would
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: potentially disagree on about like things down the line that
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: might come up on foreign policy questions.
• 35:37
  Speaker 10: It might not be that much.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: It might probably probably be more between Marjorie Taylor Green
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: and all four of us, to be honest, but I
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: think it is actually one of the fault lines.
• 35:45
  Speaker 10: So we'll have to see.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: But now, who was just talking about on sixty minutes
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: will probably play the clip tomorrow. How support for Israel,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: he says, is directly declining in course or in correlation
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: to I don't know if he uses.
• 35:59
  Speaker 10: That exact word, but to the rise of.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: The geometric relation to which I don't know if that's
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: really the right language.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I don't know, and engaging triangles.
• 36:07
  Speaker 10: But the point he's really making is.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: That people have more access to information, and more access
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: to information people have is making them less favorable towards Israel.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: And so I feel, like, you know, there's for a
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: lot of people, it's very real.
• 36:24
  Speaker 10: I don't know. I don't personally know.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: I'MTG, so I can't speak for her, but I think
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: some of the good news is that there has been
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: a very real and sincere questioning of some of these
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: first principles that conservatives always bought into and believed by
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: people on the right, certainly young people on the right,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: who are saying, we can't support We can't just automatically
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: support a country that is going to be willing to
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: engage in some of what we saw in Goaza over
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: the last few years and Crystal, at least that is
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: something to be optimistic about in the future when it
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: comes to hopefully, hopefully the rupture and this unquestioned and
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: reflexive alliance between the United States and Israel.
• 37:09
  Speaker 10: Yep.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, we've got Colonel Larry Wilkerson standing by
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: to talk to us more about the Iron warsol, let's
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: get to that.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: We're joined now by retired US Army Colonel Larry Wilkerson.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us, Sir, It's pleasure to.
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: Have you on.
• 37:24
  Speaker 16: Good good to be with you.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having thanks for joining us. Let's put
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: this first Tara sheet up on the screen. This is
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: from the Wall Street Journal headline Israel built and defended
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: a secret Iran war base in Iraq. So details from
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: the journal quote, Israel set up a clandestine military outpost
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: in the Iraqi desert to support its air campaign against Iran,
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: and launched air strikes against Iraqi troops who almost discovered.
• 37:47
  Speaker 10: It early in the war.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: People familiar with the matter, including US officials, said, sir
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: just wanted to get your response right off the top
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: here to revelations in the journal.
• 37:57
  Speaker 10: How significant is this.
• 38:00
  Speaker 16: That the journal would come out with this since it
• 38:02
  Speaker 16: is so pro Israeli. It's a revelation, if you will,
• 38:07
  Speaker 16: But it's nothing new. They have had major operations in
• 38:12
  Speaker 16: what's called Kurdistan northern of Iraq for some time. In fact,
• 38:17
  Speaker 16: the Iranians know about most of them, and in their
• 38:20
  Speaker 16: first volley of missiles some weeks ago struck them. That
• 38:25
  Speaker 16: they have things in the western desert, which is vast
• 38:29
  Speaker 16: and virtually empty, is no surprise. And I will guarantee
• 38:35
  Speaker 16: you ninety nine percent certainty that the United States, probably
• 38:39
  Speaker 16: Great Britain and perhaps others like the Jordanians had complicity
• 38:44
  Speaker 16: in running these bases as it were from western Iraq.
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Actually, Haratz reported that the US told the Iraqis, hey,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: just stay away from that area. We're doing some things
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: over there. So you are spot on with your instinct
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: that there was some US complus that you hear as well.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I wanted to just get your reaction to where we
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: are currently with the quote unquote negotiations with the war.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: We discussed earlier that Trump has outright rejected the Iranian proposal.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Trump also met with Netnya, who yesterday by phone Netya,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: who's insisting that the war is not over. And we've
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: seen some indication, certainly from the Hawks and from the
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: fact that Israel continues to bomb in Lebanon, that they
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: would like to undercut any possible negotiated settlement and head
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: back to war. So what is your sense of where
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: things are right now?
• 39:34
  Speaker 16: Well, the last thing you said is absolutely a certainty.
• 39:37
  Speaker 16: I think, backing up a little bit, I don't think
• 39:40
  Speaker 16: it's a certainty that negotiations are going to produce something
• 39:44
  Speaker 16: that Donald Trump will ultimately accept. I think it is
• 39:48
  Speaker 16: at least a fifty to fifty chance that we resume
• 39:51
  Speaker 16: bombing or mercilessly just as soon as the stock market
• 39:55
  Speaker 16: it's right for to happen. And I don't mean that cavalierly.
• 39:59
  Speaker 16: Donald Trump is coordinating through Hegseth, of course, and Cain,
• 40:03
  Speaker 16: the chairman of the Joint chiefs these strikes based on
• 40:06
  Speaker 16: his desire for his friends and ultimately his family to
• 40:10
  Speaker 16: make money off the stock market. So that's part of it.
• 40:14
  Speaker 16: And then the other part of it is I don't
• 40:16
  Speaker 16: think there's a chance he's going to get what he
• 40:19
  Speaker 16: really wants, which is none of the things that we've
• 40:22
  Speaker 16: been talking about other than a nuclear deal, and certainly
• 40:26
  Speaker 16: Israel is not going to buy that. So that's going
• 40:29
  Speaker 16: to be a real stop gap measure, if you will,
• 40:32
  Speaker 16: in trying to make that the only thing we do.
• 40:35
  Speaker 16: So there's at least a sixty to forty chance we're
• 40:38
  Speaker 16: going back to bombing Iran again. Disaster says that will
• 40:41
  Speaker 16: be it won't produce anything but more resolution, more missiles
• 40:46
  Speaker 16: coming out of Iran, this time aimed at everything in
• 40:50
  Speaker 16: the region, to include Saudi Arabia oil facilities, Mahraine again
• 40:54
  Speaker 16: to wait. All the countries that depend on that black
• 40:58
  Speaker 16: goal for a lot of their well, we'll find it
• 41:01
  Speaker 16: all pretty much drying up because Iran is going to
• 41:04
  Speaker 16: target at all with the help of Russian and Chinese satellites,
• 41:07
  Speaker 16: which we know are helping them now, just as we
• 41:10
  Speaker 16: help Zelenski strike Russia with our satellites. So This is
• 41:14
  Speaker 16: a very complicated game we're playing now, and Donald Trump
• 41:18
  Speaker 16: is I think somewhat desperate to get out of it,
• 41:21
  Speaker 16: but he is unable to fashion away with all the
• 41:24
  Speaker 16: pressures and powers that are around him that don't want
• 41:27
  Speaker 16: it to happen.
• 41:28
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that's a great point.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: And he's heading obviously to China in the next couple
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: of days, supposed to be there on Thursday for a
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: major state visit. And what is your sense of when
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: the bombing could resume based on and you just mentioned
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: the stock market, what might we expect to see in
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: terms of the timeline going forward.
• 41:45
  Speaker 16: Well, generally speaking, he doesn't on a Friday from but
• 41:51
  Speaker 16: I don't know if that will be a tailtale sign
• 41:54
  Speaker 16: of anything this time, because it could all be a
• 41:57
  Speaker 16: faint just to put more pressure on Iran at the
• 41:59
  Speaker 16: moment that they think they're going to come to some
• 42:01
  Speaker 16: kind of deal. But I don't think so. As I said,
• 42:04
  Speaker 16: I think the odds are sixty forty that we're going
• 42:06
  Speaker 16: to resume this conflict and it's going to be with
• 42:08
  Speaker 16: a vengeance with everything in terms of our airpower we
• 42:12
  Speaker 16: can pour at them. And before people say, well, the
• 42:14
  Speaker 16: carriers are in position and all that, that's not what
• 42:17
  Speaker 16: I'm talking about. The carrier airpower is really insignificant when
• 42:21
  Speaker 16: you start talking about what we're planning to do. This
• 42:25
  Speaker 16: is marshaling almost the entire United States Air Force and
• 42:29
  Speaker 16: antellar air forces to drop bombs from B two's, B
• 42:33
  Speaker 16: fifty two's all the way down the line on Iran
• 42:36
  Speaker 16: to further pulverize it, create war crimes, and kill a
• 42:40
  Speaker 16: lot of innocent civilians. So this is not something I
• 42:43
  Speaker 16: look forward to. And I hope I'm wrong. I hope
• 42:46
  Speaker 16: I'm wrong. I hope we come to some kind of
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: nuclear deal. But then what are we going to do
• 42:49
  Speaker 16: about Natanya, who has said I'm going to keep the
• 42:52
  Speaker 16: war up.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's absolutely right.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: And I also took note that President Trump has been
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: posting clips from Neo Khan Mark Levin. This one in
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: particular is very noteworthy to me, a lot of historical revisionism,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I think one could say that, or at least noteworthy
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: historical take here from Mark Levin that I wanted to
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: get your reaction to you, guys, let's go ahead and
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: play F five.
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: We don't have to create opposition. There is opposition. We
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: need to seize the opportunity, and we need to see
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: the opportunity. And by that I mean that our CIA,
• 43:26
  Speaker 8: along with the Israeli MOSAD, make determinations about the best
• 43:31
  Speaker 8: way to determine who to train and arm well. At
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: the same time, we continue the economic stranglehold, and our military,
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: along with our allies the Israelis, provide coordinated support with
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: targeted and supportive attacks on the IRGC and the Basiege
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: paramilitary police.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: That's in my view, how you do it, Oh Mark,
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: You never served in the malipe history. I know history.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: Nobody alive ever served in the Civil War either. Nobody
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: alive ever served in the Revolutionary War either. That's not
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: the point.
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: You do.
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: Leave it to the experts to figure this out. But
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: the President of the United States, the commander in chief,
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: he makes the decisions. And I look at history. I
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: look at success. Success in destroying the Soviet Union, success
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: in pushing communism out of Central and South America, and
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: we did this, success in pushing communism out of parts
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: of Africa, success in pushing the Russians, the Soviets out
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: of Afghanistan. We didn't send in troops. We armed the
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: freedom fighters, the move Jahadin in Afghanistan and others throughout
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: the world.
• 44:53
  Speaker 16: He was reading a script prepared for him by either
• 44:57
  Speaker 16: Masade the idea for mot That's all I can guess.
• 45:02
  Speaker 16: I would be willing to bet a lot of money
• 45:04
  Speaker 16: on that he was reading from that script. And we've
• 45:08
  Speaker 16: already seen how false that narrative is. What happened earlier,
• 45:13
  Speaker 16: that is being touted by certain people like the Wall
• 45:16
  Speaker 16: three Journal and others, that was so effective in terms
• 45:20
  Speaker 16: of almost overthrowing the regime was a joke. It was
• 45:24
  Speaker 16: worse than fifty three in Kermit Roosevelt's attempts to overthrow
• 45:28
  Speaker 16: most of Deck. Worse because it did not succeed. And
• 45:33
  Speaker 16: yet it killed a lot of Iranians. And the people
• 45:35
  Speaker 16: killing the Iranians, either directly or indirectly, were six Masade
• 45:41
  Speaker 16: and Cia, not the Iranian security forces. The Uranian security
• 45:46
  Speaker 16: forces were stunned at first, then figured out what was
• 45:49
  Speaker 16: happening and went after those mechanisms that were allowing them
• 45:53
  Speaker 16: to operate so freely within their country, eliminated them, and
• 45:57
  Speaker 16: then began to eliminate those people, in fact, so much
• 46:00
  Speaker 16: so that Massad has very few people on the ground
• 46:03
  Speaker 16: in Iran right now. But the point is it wasn't
• 46:06
  Speaker 16: the Iranian people that were foamenting revolution and it won't
• 46:10
  Speaker 16: be in the future either. It was Massad, CIA and
• 46:15
  Speaker 16: MI six in combination making it look like they were
• 46:19
  Speaker 16: doing it. And the Iranians, they're not stupid. They figured
• 46:22
  Speaker 16: that out. They've had it been done to them a
• 46:24
  Speaker 16: number of times before, and they eliminated most of the
• 46:27
  Speaker 16: operatives inside the country, which is bothering Israel big time
• 46:31
  Speaker 16: right now because they have no eyes and ears on
• 46:34
  Speaker 16: the ground in Iran like they've had for so many years.
• 46:36
  Speaker 16: So these are all lies that Levin's telling.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Well, I want to go also to F four because
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: this was from a Prime Minister of Benjamin Adinyahu's interview
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: on sixty.
• 46:47
  Speaker 10: Minutes last night.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: He said that he is hoping that Israel can quote
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: wean itself off remaining military support from the United States.
• 46:57
  Speaker 10: Let's go ahead and rule F four here.
• 46:59
  Speaker 9: Do you believe it's time for the State of Israel
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: to re examine and possibly reset its financial relationship to
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: the United States, Meaning what the United States provides to
• 47:09
  Speaker 9: Israel on an annual basis.
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, And I've said this to President Trump, I've said
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: it to our own people. Their jaws drop, But I said, look,
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: what do you mean. What are you saying? I want
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: to draw down to zero the American financial support, the
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: financial component of the military cooperation that we have, because
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: we receive three point eight billion dollars a year, and
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: I think that it's time that we weaned ourselves from
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: the remaining military support. Can you give me a timetable?
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: I said, let's start now and do it over the
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: next decade, over the next ten years. But I want
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: to start now. I don't want to wait.
• 47:54
  Speaker 10: Do you buy it?
• 47:56
  Speaker 16: That's interesting? I had heard rumors to that effect, hadn't
• 48:00
  Speaker 16: heard that particular film clip or seen that interview. But
• 48:03
  Speaker 16: I think what he's talking about are several things, one
• 48:07
  Speaker 16: of which he's demonstrated by his travels over the last
• 48:10
  Speaker 16: several years. He understands what I've been telling everyone I
• 48:15
  Speaker 16: can speak to about, is this inexorable shift of power
• 48:18
  Speaker 16: that's moving to the East, with the magnet being China,
• 48:22
  Speaker 16: but now increasingly China, India and Russia. BRICKS is going
• 48:26
  Speaker 16: to meet in India in September and Modi's going to preside,
• 48:30
  Speaker 16: and we're going to see a very different Bricks I
• 48:33
  Speaker 16: think after that, because they've all pretty much decided to
• 48:36
  Speaker 16: pitch in. So Nathanello, who's no idiot, He's a very
• 48:39
  Speaker 16: smart man. He's been prospecting all across these other countries
• 48:43
  Speaker 16: to find potential US replacements because he realizes that the
• 48:47
  Speaker 16: Big Daddy is not going to be the Big Daddy
• 48:50
  Speaker 16: much longer with the colossal debt that we have, and
• 48:53
  Speaker 16: what jiji Peg is going to do to deepen and
• 48:56
  Speaker 16: exacerbate that debt and is already doing one thing. The
• 49:00
  Speaker 16: second thing is he's sending a signal to the United States,
• 49:04
  Speaker 16: a rather subtle signal. But nonetheless, I've known BB for
• 49:07
  Speaker 16: a long time, and before him, I knew h Sharon.
• 49:11
  Speaker 16: They do this sort of thing to signal their disdain
• 49:14
  Speaker 16: for the Americans, for the United States, so that we
• 49:18
  Speaker 16: suddenly come begging back to be their bit of factor again.
• 49:22
  Speaker 16: And then the next reason is he's trying to needle
• 49:24
  Speaker 16: Trump in order to keep him from in in this war,
• 49:28
  Speaker 16: insinuating that there are actually other people in the world
• 49:32
  Speaker 16: that we could use to back us even if we
• 49:34
  Speaker 16: wanted to continue this war and you stopped it, and
• 49:37
  Speaker 16: you know who they are, et cetera, et cetera. So
• 49:39
  Speaker 16: he's a very smart man. He's evil, he's genocidal, he's moniacal.
• 49:44
  Speaker 16: But he's a very smart man. That's what makes the
• 49:46
  Speaker 16: other traits so dangerous.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Talk a little bit more about the upcoming meeting in China.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: You know, what sort of a position is Trump coming
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: into this meeting with, at least as far as it
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: looks today, What sort of things will you be looking
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: for as you observe from the outside.
• 50:02
  Speaker 16: Fifty to fifty that he doesn't go, that's the first thing.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Oh wow.
• 50:06
  Speaker 16: Second, he is going to be embarrassed severely when he
• 50:11
  Speaker 16: meets Xijingping because there's going to be no warmth, no friendship,
• 50:16
  Speaker 16: no cooperation. In his mind, He's going to be there
• 50:20
  Speaker 16: to lecture Donald Trump, and Donald Trump doesn't take lecturing
• 50:23
  Speaker 16: too well. So we could see the meeting start and
• 50:26
  Speaker 16: an abruptly nobody knows, but Jijing Ping is in the
• 50:30
  Speaker 16: catbird seat now in terms of global power, in terms
• 50:34
  Speaker 16: of ascending power, we're in the dark seat. We're in
• 50:39
  Speaker 16: the seat of the empire with dark Vader and the
• 50:41
  Speaker 16: Sith Lord having been exposed to the world, and that's
• 50:46
  Speaker 16: a very difficult position from which to operate. What scares
• 50:49
  Speaker 16: me about that position is that no empire descending into
• 50:53
  Speaker 16: the depths, if you will. In human history that we
• 50:57
  Speaker 16: know five thousand years has had the techological means to
• 51:01
  Speaker 16: at least temporarily arrest that development. And what I mean
• 51:05
  Speaker 16: by that is nuclear weapons. As long as we have
• 51:08
  Speaker 16: nuclear weapons and we have a leadership that is going
• 51:11
  Speaker 16: to fight this descent majorly, then we have the prospect
• 51:16
  Speaker 16: of using nuclear weapons. We have to remember, the only
• 51:19
  Speaker 16: country in the world that has used nuclear weapons against
• 51:22
  Speaker 16: human beings is US.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: Let's talk about Lebanon as well. I want to roll
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: some of this clip and you can. People will be
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: able to see and hear. This is going to be
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: f two courtesy of drop site Newsday write. Israel killed
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: fifty one people in Lebanon in twenty four hours on Saturday,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: as the Israeli army continued its attacks despite the so
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: called ceasefire. The toll since the beginning of March has
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: surged past two thousand, eight hundred and forty six killed
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: and eight six hundred and ninety three injured, according to
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: the Ministry of Public Health just yesterday. Now and video
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: here is courtesy of Courtney Bono, who is a journalist
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: over there and recorded this video from southern Lebanon that
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: I also want to get your reaction to.
• 52:09
  Speaker 10: This is gonna be F three.
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: I'm reporting to you from the town of Tora. I
• 52:13
  Speaker 6: don't know if you can hear the armed drone buzzing
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: above our heads in the air force. We just heard
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: of bombing in the distance. We're at the site now
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: of a massacre that took place yesterday. Five members of
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: the same family, mostly women, were killed in Israeli airstrike.
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  Speaker 6: Violence has been escalating really fast here in South Lebanon. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 6: the Israeli army targeted thirty nine towns and villages, killing
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  Speaker 6: more than thirty people, all civilians. Multiple force displacement orders
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  Speaker 6: have been issued, including in the town where I live,
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  Speaker 6: since yesterday. Since midnight last night until now, I've been
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: listening to shelling, bombing, and machine gun combing in the
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  Speaker 6: hills across from where I'm staying, and like the Al
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  Speaker 6: Mansuri and Albayada area. This morning came a fresh wave
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  Speaker 6: of displacement orders and death threats, and with that came
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  Speaker 6: a fresh wave of bombings and killings. Multiple people have
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  Speaker 6: been killed already today and I just received a heartbreaking
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  Speaker 6: report of a Syrian labor traveling by a scooter with
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  Speaker 6: his twelve year old daughter in Nabtilla. They were targeted
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  Speaker 6: on the scooter. The father was killed instantly and the
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  Speaker 6: little girl, who again twelve years old, managed to run away.
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  Speaker 6: And when she started to run, even though she was injured,
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  Speaker 6: the Israeli drone targeted her again. And she's alive for now,
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  Speaker 6: she's critically wounded. She's currently in surgery. I will keep
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  Speaker 6: you updated about that as I can. To my Western followers,
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  Speaker 6: I really want you to think critically about the definition
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  Speaker 6: of terrorism, to whom it gets applied and who does
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  Speaker 6: it benefit. Because where I've been sitting for the last
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  Speaker 6: eighteen months, you know this math, murder and math. You know,
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  Speaker 6: look at this, this mass destruction, this ethnic cleansing of
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  Speaker 6: South Lebanon. You know this looks a lot like terrorism
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  Speaker 6: to me, And.
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  Speaker 10: So Courtney was.
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  Speaker 4: If you're just listening to the standing in front of
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  Speaker 4: just heaps of rubble in southern Lebanon, where do you
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  Speaker 4: think this goes for? As Natiyahu looks at the prospects
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  Speaker 4: for taking some of that land, some more of that land,
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  Speaker 4: I should say, what do you think his next moves
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  Speaker 4: could look like?
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  Speaker 16: First, let me say that I agree with every word
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  Speaker 16: she uttered, and much more than that, because I know
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  Speaker 16: people there, and I know what's happening, and I know
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  Speaker 16: what Israel has done in the past, even in nineteen
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  Speaker 16: eighty two when Beric Sharon was a defense minister and
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  Speaker 16: they went into Lebanon hold sally and only Ronald Reagan
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  Speaker 16: was able to tell them stop and get out, and
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  Speaker 16: they did after they were to to stop, and they did.
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  Speaker 16: They created massacres in camps. This is Israel. I'm sorry
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  Speaker 16: to say it. I'm sad to say it, but this
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  Speaker 16: is Israel, and it's gotten far worse. They did Gaza.
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  Speaker 16: In accordance with what you just heard her say. Times ten,
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  Speaker 16: they still haven't defeated Hamas in Gaza enough. Tolly Bennett
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  Speaker 16: is angry with Natanyahu because he will not order the
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  Speaker 16: idea of into those tunnels to go after Hamas for
• 55:28
  Speaker 16: good reason, because Hamas will tear them up if they
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  Speaker 16: go into those tunnels. And he's frustrated and he's angry,
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  Speaker 16: and he gets mean when he's frustrated and angry. And
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  Speaker 16: he is the world's greatest state sponsor individual sponsor of terrorism,
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  Speaker 16: period and he's doing that now in eleven, and he
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  Speaker 16: is not honored. And I used to say a day,
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  Speaker 16: he's not honored an hour of the so called sea's
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  Speaker 16: firing eleven. And he's using it now to do what
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  Speaker 16: he used it to do earlier, with less results, but
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  Speaker 16: now sweeping results. He's destroying Lebanon's ability to recover. He's
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  Speaker 16: killing Lebanese citizens, not Hesbla, not even remotely Hesbla. He's
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  Speaker 16: killing Lebanese civilians. He's destroying their homes, home by home,
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  Speaker 16: bulldozer by bulldozer, momb by mom. He wants southern Lebanon
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  Speaker 16: as part of the Greater Israel complex. Give him that
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  Speaker 16: and he'll go on like Hitler did and take all
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  Speaker 16: of Lebanon. And Airdwan in Turkey knows that. So we're
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  Speaker 16: setting up the prospect of a real clash between Turkish
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  Speaker 16: forces which are superior to the Idea of and IDEAF forces.
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  Speaker 16: So this is a disaster unfolding.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I wanted to get your reaction also to you.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw this opinion piece in
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  Speaker 2: the Atlantic, but I found it quite noteworthy from Robert Kagan,
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  Speaker 2: who's co founder of the Project for a New American Century.
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  Speaker 2: Very noteworthy Neo Khan. He's a senior fellow at Brookings
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  Speaker 2: and his headline was checkmate in Iran. Washington can't reverse
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  Speaker 2: or control the consequences of losing this war. I'm just
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: going to read you the opening two paragraphs here, he says,
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to think of a time when the US
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  Speaker 2: suffered a total defeat in a conflict, a setback so
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  Speaker 2: decisive that the strategic loss could be neither repaired nor ignored.
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  Speaker 2: The calamitist loss is suffered at Pearl Harbor, the Philippines,
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  Speaker 2: and throughout the Western Pacific in the first months of
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: World War Two were eventually reversed. The defeats in Vietnam
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  Speaker 2: and Afghanistan were costly, but did not do lasting damaged
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  Speaker 2: at America's overall position in the world because they were
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: far from the main theaters of global competition. The initial
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: failure in Iraq was mitigated by a shift in strategy
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  Speaker 2: that ultimately left Iraq relatively stable and unthreatening to its neighbors,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: kept the US dominant in the region. Defeat in the
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  Speaker 2: present confrontation with Iran will be of an entirely different character.
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  Speaker 2: It can neither be repaired nor ignored. There will be
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  Speaker 2: no return to the status quo ante, no ultimate American
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  Speaker 2: triumph that will undo or overcome the harm done. Hormones
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  Speaker 2: will not be open as it once was. With control
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  Speaker 2: of the street, Iran emerges as the key player in
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  Speaker 2: the region, one of the key players in the world.
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  Speaker 3: The roles of.
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  Speaker 2: China and Russia is Iran's allies are strengthened, the role
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  Speaker 2: of the US substantially diminished. Far from demonstrating American prowess,
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: as supporters of the war have repeatedly claimed, the conflict
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  Speaker 2: has revealed in America that is unreliable and incapable of
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  Speaker 2: finishing what it started. That is going to set off
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: a chain reaction around the world as friends and foes
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  Speaker 2: adjust at America's failure. I get a little nervous when I
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: start agreeing with people like Bob Kagan, But I wonder
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  Speaker 2: what you make of his analysis and also the significance
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  Speaker 2: of someone with his worldview saying that Iran has checkmated
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  Speaker 2: US and that this will be a defeat like none
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  Speaker 2: other in history.
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  Speaker 16: Well, I detest Robert Kagan. I've detested him ever since
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  Speaker 16: I learned of his complicity in the Clean Break strategy
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  Speaker 16: and other things like that that we got so embroiled
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  Speaker 16: in in the George W. Bush administration first term. But
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  Speaker 16: in this case, I know why he's doing it. He's
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  Speaker 16: trying to anger those decision makers and advisors to decision
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  Speaker 16: makers who are thinking about ending this conflict. That's what
• 59:13
  Speaker 16: he's trying to do. He's trying to anger them so
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  Speaker 16: that they'll go full Moody against Iran with everything the empire.
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  Speaker 3: Has and everything is interesting.
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  Speaker 16: But I agree with you he's right, and the reason
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  Speaker 16: that's happening is because we did this war of choice,
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  Speaker 16: which was stupid, and it's gonna rebound pretty much in
• 59:35
  Speaker 16: the way that he described. I think we could even
• 59:38
  Speaker 16: be if the Iranians are resolute. If we bomb them again,
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  Speaker 16: as I said, there's a good chance we'll do, and
• 59:45
  Speaker 16: they hit their second tier of targets, we will have
• 59:48
  Speaker 16: undoubtedly recession by June, global recession by June, and by
• 59:53
  Speaker 16: September October we'll have global depression. And you know what
• 59:57
  Speaker 16: happened after the last global depression, world War two.
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  Speaker 2: Well, very frightening prospect. Thank you so much, sir for
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: joining us today. We always really appreciate your analysis and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: your time.
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  Speaker 10: Surely well that does it for us?
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  Speaker 4: On today's edition, a blue blazer, points, Crystal, it was
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  Speaker 4: great to be here in the country.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Club, dark navy blue blazer. Yeah, we both got the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: dress code little, I guess.
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  Speaker 10: I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Tastefully small necklaces there. I just got to bring my
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: glasses next time.
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  Speaker 10: Do you have glasses to wear? Glasses? I was gonna say,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 10: I can never are you contacts?
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  Speaker 3: My eyes sight is just naturally perfect. Emily, I don't
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: know what to tell you.
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, we're going golfing after this, but
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: I'm driving the cart.
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  Speaker 10: That's what the place is.
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  Speaker 3: Please, I agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: All right, guys, Tomorrow we're gonna have a nice little
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: fascist points. Emily and Sager will be in and then
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: we'll be back to actually me and Emily on Wednesday,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: So mixing things up this week. I will see you
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday and they will see you tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: WoT WoT