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Skeleton remains confirmed to be missing Kentucky teen Paige Johnson · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I Want Justice.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace premieres March ninth, only on
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation. A seventeen year old girl, Page Johnson goes
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Speaker 1: missing two ten the search is on in the last
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Speaker 1: Hour's a major break and the search for Page Johnson
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Speaker 1: Kentucky Beauty. What happened the night Page goes missing? What
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Speaker 1: clues have been left behind? One anonymous tip about a
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Speaker 1: water cistern leads police on a wild goose chase. But
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Speaker 1: has the case finally been cracked? I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Crime
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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Today friends searched East Fork Lake
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Speaker 1: in Batavia after a court document stated the man last
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Speaker 1: scene with Page Johnson was in that area hours after
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Speaker 1: she was picked up from her Florence home. Jacob Bumpus
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Speaker 1: and tonight the Taylor mill Man is being held at
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Speaker 1: the Kenton County Jail on approbation violation. Prior to her disappearance,
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Speaker 1: Bumpus posted a picture of him in seventeen year old
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Speaker 1: Page Johnson on his MySpace page. Court document state he's
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Speaker 1: the last man to see Page after she disappeared on
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Speaker 1: September twenty third. I honestly didn't see him as the
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Speaker 1: type to do anything to Page. We've all been friends
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Speaker 1: with him for a long time. He's from what I
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Speaker 1: knew of hanging out with him, and he was a
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Speaker 1: good guy. Page was supposed to be dropped off at
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Speaker 1: her house around one am. The teen, who was a
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Speaker 1: mother to a two year old daughter, sent her sister
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Speaker 1: a cryptic message on Facebook a half hour before she
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Speaker 1: facebucked me and she said, girl, I need to talk
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Speaker 1: to you immediately. But what time is that? Twelve fourteen?
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, a stunning break and the search
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Speaker 1: for a teen Kentucky girl Page Johnson, I mean, see Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. But before we go straight out
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Speaker 1: to Kentucky, an alert a Lee County, Alabama girl just
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Speaker 1: four years old. Go to crime online dot com. Look
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Speaker 1: at her picture. Beautiful little girl, face covered in freckles,
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Speaker 1: beautiful red hair, just four years old. You know how
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Speaker 1: defenseless children are at four years old? Goes missing when
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Speaker 1: walking her dog. Less than twenty four hours ago. Evelyn
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Speaker 1: Vady sides lasting two thirty pm the five thousand black
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Speaker 1: Lee County Road sixty six in Auburn, Alabama. She was
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Speaker 1: walking her red dog. She's just three feet tall, she
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Speaker 1: only weighs forty pounds, red hair, beautiful green eyes, a
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Speaker 1: little red mark on her nose. Evelyn Vady was last
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Speaker 1: scene wearing short sleeved floral dress when she went missing.
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Speaker 1: If you have any information on this beautiful little girl,
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Speaker 1: just four years old, three feet tall, dial three three
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Speaker 1: four seven three seven seven one three one repeat three
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Speaker 1: three four seven three seven seven one three one. That's
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Speaker 1: the Lee County Sheriff's office, or of course you can
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Speaker 1: call nine one one. Evelyn Vady sides, we know that
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Speaker 1: with each minute that passes, the likelihood of bringing her
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Speaker 1: home alive diminishes. Evelyn Vadi sides, Auburn, Alabama. And now
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Speaker 1: we turn our attention to a seventeen year old, a
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Speaker 1: teen Kentucky girl, Page Johnson, who disappears ten years ago.
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Speaker 1: Where did it all start? You were just hearing our
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Speaker 1: friends at WCPO Channel nine News. That was Shannon Kettler,
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Speaker 1: What happened to Paige? With me? An All Star panel?
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Speaker 1: Kirk Nurmi, former lawyer for Jody Arius, high profile defense lawyer,
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Speaker 1: author of Trapped with Miss Arius. Bobby Jacon, former special
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Speaker 1: Asian FBI start a Facebook series Curse of akacor He's
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Speaker 1: seen it all. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of
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Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator,
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Speaker 1: forensics psychiatrist. You can find him on Instagram, doctor Daniel Bober.
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Speaker 1: But right now now to w CYB Bristol, Virginia's Kristen
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Speaker 1: Kwan Kristin, thank you so much for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Let's just start at the beginning. You know, I like
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Speaker 1: to establish a timeline at the beginning. But tell me
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Speaker 1: who is Page Johnson. She's only seventeen years old. That's great, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: So Paige Johnson is a seventeen year rule and she's
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Speaker 1: described for her family and social outgoing girl or everyone
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Speaker 1: seems to just really love her. And she went missing
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Speaker 1: on September twenty third, twenty ten. Wow, Wow, that's ten
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Speaker 1: long years have passed to Joseph Scott Morgan forensic expert
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott. When you are presented, I mean, I remember
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Speaker 1: I hadn't been in the DA's office for long. I
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Speaker 1: had been well, I had to have been there over
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Speaker 1: two years because I was already trying murder cases. And
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Speaker 1: I got a case that had occurred while I was
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Speaker 1: still in law school years before, and there was a fiction.
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Speaker 1: It went all the way up to the doorstep of
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Speaker 1: the US Supreme Court, to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals,
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Speaker 1: and it got reversed and went back down through the courts.
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Speaker 1: It's like have you ever seen those ant farms that
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Speaker 1: children get and the ants weave through all the sand
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Speaker 1: and they finally get to the top. That's like an
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Speaker 1: appeals process. Anyway, it was reversed because interlocking admissions were
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Speaker 1: allowed in interlocking statements. In other words, Jackie and I
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Speaker 1: rob a bank. She gives a statement, I give a statement.
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Speaker 1: I blame her, she blames me, And the prosecutor brought
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Speaker 1: in jackie statement against me. But Jackie wouldn't take the stand,
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Speaker 1: so I didn't have a way to cross examiner six
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Speaker 1: Amendment right to a lawyer, right to cross examine witnesses.
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Speaker 1: That's the problem. That's why you don't bring in an
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Speaker 1: interlocking statement, or you just sever the cases try them separately. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: long story short, I just try one of them over
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Speaker 1: after fourteen years had passed. That's hard to do, much
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Speaker 1: less start a crime. Scene investigation ten years later. Joscott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: how do you do that? It's very difficult, Nancy, because
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Speaker 1: you know, as we moved down, moved down that timeline
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Speaker 1: away from when the initial event occurred, memories begin to fade.
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Speaker 1: You have evidence that begins to be eradicated. In this
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Speaker 1: particular case, Hey, hey, hey, hey, what do you mean
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Speaker 1: by that evidence is eradicated? What? Well, you know, time, weather, space,
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Speaker 1: those sorts of things, and if it happens out in
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Speaker 1: the wild, to say, if she's killed or disposed of
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Speaker 1: in a forest, elements takeover, or if it's an apartment,
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Speaker 1: they move out, somebody else moves in, they change the carpet,
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Speaker 1: they paint the walls. I mean, I think that's what
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Speaker 1: you mean by eradicated. You got to talk, regular people talk,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. I'm just a JD. All right, go ahead,
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Speaker 1: I understand. Yeah, So over a period of time, you know,
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Speaker 1: if we're talking about a body, you know, all of
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Speaker 1: the evidence that is contained within that body or associated
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Speaker 1: with that body is subject to all of the changes
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Speaker 1: that we go through in life, and so that really
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Speaker 1: diminishes your chances, your opportunities as an investigator to piece
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Speaker 1: this back. One of the other things that we're heavily
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Speaker 1: dependent upon is going all the way back when an
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Speaker 1: initial missing person's report was filed, How competent, how good
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Speaker 1: was this investigation initially performed at Jump Street, Because now
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Speaker 1: we have to go back in time and rely upon
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Speaker 1: that initial information, so that plays a key as well.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about the disappearance of a seventeen year old girl,
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Speaker 1: Page Johnson, but in the last hours, a stunning break
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Speaker 1: in the case. You can see her soto at crime
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Speaker 1: online dot com. Take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: w KRC Cincinnati twelve Angela Ingram. A lot of people
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Speaker 1: love Page. If you knew her, you would have loved
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Speaker 1: her too. She was just a spunky, happy, sweet child,
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Speaker 1: and that's what she was, was a child. Donna Johnson,
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old, is missing, gone from her life. Five
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Speaker 1: years have passed and each day she waits for answers,
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Speaker 1: praying that someone finds her daughter or we'll speak up
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Speaker 1: and help police. There are definitely people who have knowledge
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Speaker 1: about where my child is, but we can't really do
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Speaker 1: anything about it at the moment except wait where The
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Speaker 1: family and friends gathered at de Voo Park to remember
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Speaker 1: Page and to dedicate a tree in her honor. There's
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Speaker 1: a void here without her for many of her friends.
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Speaker 1: Five years ago, Paige left her mother's home in Florence.
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Speaker 1: She was on her way to Covington to meet her
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Speaker 1: sister Brittany, but she never made it. Donna says, it's
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Speaker 1: awful crime stories with Nancy Grace. A tipbrout authorities here
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Speaker 1: to Latonia, an abandoned art store where that anonymous person
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Speaker 1: reported pages remains could be found in a cistern. Friends
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Speaker 1: and family watch and anticipation as Covington and Kenton County
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Speaker 1: officials took evidence from the cistern, bucket by buckets, sifting
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Speaker 1: to see what they could find. Just hoping that my
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Speaker 1: family can get some closure because it's been too long.
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Speaker 1: Alisa Johnson one of many hoping today's the day they
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Speaker 1: get the answers they've been waiting two years for. There's
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Speaker 1: been hundreds of tips. Generally, if any of them show
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Speaker 1: any validity, all we fall up on them. This is
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Speaker 1: not anything out of the ordinary, but after hours of searching,
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Speaker 1: police find bones belonging to animals and pieces of cottery.
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Speaker 1: Nothing related to the case. But that doesn't mean police
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Speaker 1: or family will stop searching. It's extremely frustrating. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's somebody out there that actually knows something,
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Speaker 1: they're just not willing to talk to us. I will
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Speaker 1: never give up until she's found and laid the rest
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Speaker 1: and guess what she deserves. Oh what a heartbreak you
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Speaker 1: were just hearing WCPO Channel nine news reporter mckill a
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Speaker 1: right in, another dead in in the search for this
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old Kentucky beauty Page Johnson described as spunky, outgoing,
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Speaker 1: the life of the party, million dollars, smile, big brown eyes.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Page? And you hear about that tip?
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Speaker 1: An anonymous tip to police claims Page's remains were at
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Speaker 1: the bottom of a cistern in an abandoned art store
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Speaker 1: a sister and is a tank for storing water, especially
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Speaker 1: one that supplies taps or as part of a flushing toilet.
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Speaker 1: You can find them out in the woods. You can
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Speaker 1: find them on previous building sites long abandoned, an abandoned
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Speaker 1: sister and gone dry or not. It's a perfect place
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Speaker 1: to hide a body. But that was not meant to be.
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Speaker 1: That was just two years after she goes missing and
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Speaker 1: then seemingly, Kristin Kwan joining me w CYB, Bristol, Virginia
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Speaker 1: at that time, seemingly the trail goes cold. What about it? Kristen, Right,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly right. So police followed up on a number
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Speaker 1: of leads for years, but just never were able to
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Speaker 1: find anything related to where she was. Let's go back
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Speaker 1: and look at the date she goes missing with me
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Speaker 1: kirk Nermy Bobby Chicon, Joe Scott Morgan, doctor Daniel Bober,
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Speaker 1: and Kristin Kwan Scott Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University and author. What do you make of the
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Speaker 1: day she goes missing, reportedly driving a short distance away
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Speaker 1: to meet up with her own sister in Florence. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think that relative to that, we have to think
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Speaker 1: about the people that she was with. First off, what
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Speaker 1: did she What did she say to her sister? You know,
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Speaker 1: what kind of information kind of issued forth from those
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Speaker 1: conversations that she had, Because listen, I do know this,
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Speaker 1: the last moments, the last moments that you have with
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Speaker 1: someone that you love and that you know that you
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Speaker 1: hold dear to your heart, You're going to hold onto
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Speaker 1: those very tightly. You're going to remember those conversations. So
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be very important that they go back and
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Speaker 1: document everything that the sister said, and I'm sure that
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Speaker 1: they did at that time. And then who was she
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Speaker 1: connecting with? Who are those people there are going to
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Speaker 1: be in her primary element within that circle that she's
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Speaker 1: going to be interacting with, and it's going to be
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Speaker 1: important to get all of their statements. And finally, where
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Speaker 1: was she dropped off? Where was she placed? And that's
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Speaker 1: going to be important as we extend the search looking
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Speaker 1: for her. Well, you're so right. The Claremont County Sheriff's Office,
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Speaker 1: Covington Police, and Claremont Coroners all looking with their detective
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Speaker 1: team to find this girl, Page Johnson, who goes missing
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Speaker 1: twenty ten in the last hours, a big break in
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Speaker 1: the case. We know that Page was reported missing by
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Speaker 1: that older sister, Brittany Haywood, after attending a party with
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Speaker 1: friends the night before. Then Page goes missing. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to wl WT five news reporter Dan Griffin. She
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Speaker 1: should be here with us, enjoying things, enjoying life and
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Speaker 1: you know, getting to be a part of everything, and
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Speaker 1: it was stolen from her. It was thorn from all
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Speaker 1: of us too. Page Johnson was seventeen years old when
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Speaker 1: she vanished in Covington on September twenty third, twenty ten.
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Speaker 1: She had a daughter, who family members say has been
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Speaker 1: forced to grow up without her mom. They say in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
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Speaker 1: will take Page this case, and an investigator from Washington
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Speaker 1: d C Will comb over evidence for new clues. There
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Speaker 1: were friends at this party that saw her leave, and
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Speaker 1: they haven't really cooperated, so no one really needs to
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Speaker 1: be afraid. We just want to close this case and
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Speaker 1: bring Page home. Page's family gathers at Davao Park each
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Speaker 1: year at a tree planted in her honor. They've created
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Speaker 1: new stickers and buttons to raise awareness about her Through
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Speaker 1: tears and pain, they push for answers, asking anyone with
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Speaker 1: information to talk. Do it for Page, do it for
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Speaker 1: her family and her friends. Let's make this the last
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Speaker 1: year we have to stand here and beg for help.
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Speaker 1: Oh stars, the heartbreak in their voices to doctor Daniel
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Speaker 1: bober renown for psychiatrists joining us out of the floor,
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Speaker 1: to jurisdiction. Oh gosh, you know, I remember when my
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Speaker 1: fiancee was murdered. That it was like a haze for
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Speaker 1: so long, and it changed the course of my life drastically,
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Speaker 1: and the suffering. But I at least knew what had
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Speaker 1: happened to him. I mean, victims like this doctor Bober,
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Speaker 1: thinking wow, does she just leave me? Children of moms
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Speaker 1: that disappear, like the mommy just abandon me and go
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Speaker 1: start a new life. They don't know what happened, and
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Speaker 1: they play it over and over and over in their minds.
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Speaker 1: The last time they saw them, the last words they said,
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Speaker 1: where could they have gone? Looking at the bus station,
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Speaker 1: looking at the airports, just anything, just that torture of
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Speaker 1: that doctor Daniel Bober. Yeah, Nancy, it's it's completely heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: And that's what happens in these sorts of cases where
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Speaker 1: people go through this mental bargaining about they would almost
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Speaker 1: rather know the person you know, is gone, to know
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Speaker 1: where they are, because they have to live with that
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Speaker 1: unknown every day, and that unknown is like torture, you know.
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Speaker 1: To Kirk who is now a famous defense lawyer, formerly
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Speaker 1: the lawyer four convicted killer Jodi Arius, author of Trapped
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Speaker 1: with miss Arius, and that's quite a read on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: Kirk nermy you have dealt with so many families in
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Speaker 1: so many different capacities. Sometimes you're defending a killer, sometimes
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Speaker 1: you are in contact with homicide victims. Families. Do they
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Speaker 1: just numb themselves after a period of time to try
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Speaker 1: to get through the day. I mean, I don't know
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Speaker 1: how they do it, really, especially when it's your child.
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Speaker 1: I think there's a level of shock that sets in
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Speaker 1: and bewilderment. I mean, and in a case like this
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Speaker 1: for ten years until the body is found, there's probably
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Speaker 1: always some faint grasp of hope, even however unrealistic it is,
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Speaker 1: and they move forward with that, and then I think
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Speaker 1: the next move is too to work towards closure. I
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Speaker 1: think closure is a big deal for these families from
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Speaker 1: what I observe in the contact I had with them,
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Speaker 1: Getting that closure, bringing a sense of justice to their
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Speaker 1: deceased love one is what they're really seeking. And then
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Speaker 1: we have a major, major break in the case. Take
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Speaker 1: a lesson to Covington, Kentucky police. On the twenty second
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Speaker 1: of March, we were notified by the Claremont County Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: Office that an individual had called and he had reported
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Speaker 1: that he had found what he believed to be human
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Speaker 1: remains and located them out in Claremont County. Investigators from
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Speaker 1: Claremont County I responded to the area and they were
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Speaker 1: able to locate the remains and contacted the Covington Police Department.
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Speaker 1: Comington Police Department, in conjunction with Claremont County searched the
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Speaker 1: area and we did recover several different remains. At the time,
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Speaker 1: all those items were actually sent to Hamilton County Corner's Office,
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Speaker 1: Claremont County Sheriff's Office in Covington Police Office were notified
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Speaker 1: that those remains were positively identified those of Page Johnson,
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Speaker 1: who was reported missing from Covington back in two and ten. Hi, guys,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace here, I have investigated and prosecuted literally thousands
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Speaker 1: of felony cases. I have covered literally thousands of cases
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Speaker 1: of missing people, adults and children, unsolved homicides, of violent crimes.
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Speaker 1: My question is what can we do about it? I
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Sunday morning, the Claremount Keunty Sheriff's Office responded
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Speaker 1: to a cost suspected human remains found wooded area in
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Speaker 1: our county near Williamsburg Township. We were notified yesterday that
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Speaker 1: the Hamilton County I'm Sorry Coroner's office identified the remains
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Speaker 1: through dental records as Page Johnson. She was reported missing
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Speaker 1: to our department ten years ago. At this point, there
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Speaker 1: is no cause of death. We traveled to the home
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Speaker 1: of Page's mother, Donna, earlier this morning to give her
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Speaker 1: the news. There remained many questions and much work before
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Speaker 1: we can find the answers to those questions. Obviously, this
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Speaker 1: was not the outcome any of us wanted. We all
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Speaker 1: wanted to find Page alive. Over the years, to hope faded,
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Speaker 1: and I think the possibility grew fainter and fainter. Today,
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Speaker 1: I'm sad to say that hope evaporated entirely. The remains
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Speaker 1: of this beautiful girl, seventeen year old Page Johnson, have
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Speaker 1: been positively identified by use of dental records. When authorities
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Speaker 1: tell you they can't tell the cod cause of death,
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Speaker 1: you know the body is most likely skeletonized, or there's
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Speaker 1: been asphyxiation like strangulation or suffocation, and then the body
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Speaker 1: has been skeletonized. If you have a gunshine wound or
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Speaker 1: a stab wound, you might be able to tell from
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Speaker 1: skeletonized remains. Maybe not, but we know this, this is
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Speaker 1: Page Johnson. People held out hope for so long she
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Speaker 1: would be found alive. But let's talk about reality. To
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Speaker 1: Bobby Chicon, former special agent FBI, star of Facebook's Curse
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Speaker 1: of acacor Bobby really the other day. Of course, we're
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Speaker 1: all in lockdown here and isolating because the coronavirus. But
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Speaker 1: we were watching Monk. We've seen him all. He's one
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Speaker 1: of our favorite, one of our faces. But in this episode,
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Speaker 1: his father when he was a little boy, left to
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Speaker 1: go get Chinese food. He waved goodbye and he never
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Speaker 1: saw never saw his dad again. With women, think about it, Bobby,
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Speaker 1: With women who have children, how often does that really
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Speaker 1: happen where the mom just leaves on her own. She's
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Speaker 1: not kidnaps, she's not killed, she's leaves on her own
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Speaker 1: to quite start a new life. Yeah, it's obviously it's
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Speaker 1: where I right. The mother child bond is one of
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Speaker 1: the strongest human emotions that exists, and so we often
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Speaker 1: look at that where you know, did they have any
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Speaker 1: indication that they would do this? And family members and
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Speaker 1: friends often say, we often hear that that they would
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Speaker 1: never leave their child and that they know something nefarius
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Speaker 1: must have happened to them, because they would not have
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Speaker 1: on their own abandoned their child, as you know was
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Speaker 1: the case in the Page had to a very young
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Speaker 1: child who you know, by all accounts he was dedicated
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Speaker 1: to and a good mom. And so they knew that
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Speaker 1: something prevented Page from returning home, which is obviously not
24:05
Speaker 1: good in these situations. And you know what, Doctor Daniel Bober,
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Speaker 1: renowned forensic psychiatrist at doctor Daniel Bober on Instagram doctor Bober.
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Speaker 1: I know you have all sorts of technical Latin terms
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Speaker 1: for this, but the reality is I thought I knew
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Speaker 1: what love was until I have my children, and that's
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Speaker 1: a whole another ball game. I mean, it's a whole
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Speaker 1: another level of love. And I really think, Bober, that
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Speaker 1: God made us that way so our children would survive.
24:37
Speaker 1: We're not like cats, you just have a litter and
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Speaker 1: walk off. No cats can live, babies can't. I think
24:44
Speaker 1: that that is really instinctive. I don't think you can
24:48
Speaker 1: change that, absolutely right, Nancy. There's a book, actually, I believe,
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Speaker 1: called Eric from the Art of Loving, and it says
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Speaker 1: that the only true love is the love between a
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Speaker 1: mother and a child. So I think that that bond
24:59
Speaker 1: is so intense that there's nothing else like it in
25:02
Speaker 1: human emotions. You know. I was telling a story the
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Speaker 1: other day to John David about and Lucy, about how
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Speaker 1: Lucy and this may be true with the girls and boys,
25:11
Speaker 1: I don't know. Lucy couldn't wait to wear a big
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Speaker 1: girl underwear and she knew she had to forget her
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Speaker 1: pull ups. Okay. John David, on the other hand, was
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Speaker 1: perfectly happy to stand at his train table a mommy
25:27
Speaker 1: wipe him with wet wipes and change him. In fact,
25:32
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't mind it all. Have a poopy pants.
25:35
Speaker 1: And David wanted me to go through all sorts of
25:38
Speaker 1: my husband antics about give him an eminem if he
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Speaker 1: uses the camo, do this, do that fine? I said, David,
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Speaker 1: don't worry. He is not gonna go to Harvard wearing
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Speaker 1: his pull ups. It's gonna all be fine, all right,
25:52
Speaker 1: And you know what, sure enough it was. And I
25:54
Speaker 1: was telling that funny story, and Lucy said, Mom, how
25:58
Speaker 1: could you change our hants and laugh about I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. It didn't bother me at all. My
26:05
Speaker 1: point is that's just a tiny excuse. There's just something
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Speaker 1: about your child that you'd kill for him. You'd lie,
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Speaker 1: you'd kill, you cheat, you'd steal whatever to help your child.
26:18
Speaker 1: And the thought of your daughter just going missing at
26:24
Speaker 1: age seventeen, and then the tip that changed everything. They
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Speaker 1: find her body to Kristin Kwan joining me w c
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Speaker 1: y B. Bristol, Virginia investigative reporter Kristen where was her
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Speaker 1: body found? Her body was found in a state park
26:43
Speaker 1: and a hunter, actually a deer hunter, actually found the
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Speaker 1: remains and he went back home and told his wife,
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Speaker 1: and his wife called the police. Oh my stars, oh
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Speaker 1: my stars. And let me ask you this, Kristin Kwan,
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Speaker 1: wcy B, Bristol, where was the state park in relation
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Speaker 1: to where Paige lived? So it actually wasn't far from
27:08
Speaker 1: where she lived. It was a different state, but it's
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Speaker 1: really close to the line there, so it wasn't it
27:14
Speaker 1: wasn't too far off from where she was living. Okay,
27:17
Speaker 1: right there to you, Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert. That
27:21
Speaker 1: tells me a lot. Kirtner Me, Bobby Check and Joe
27:24
Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, doctor Daniel Bober and Kristin Kwan. Because Joe Scott,
27:28
Speaker 1: here's the example. Let's just use Robert blake that moron.
27:33
Speaker 1: I'll just put it out there. He takes his wife,
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Speaker 1: Bonnie Bonnie Lee Bakeley to his favorite restaurant. They sit
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Speaker 1: in his favorite seat. He takes her to the car
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Speaker 1: and set of parking right in front of the restaurant
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Speaker 1: where there's a parking spot. He parks in the alley
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Speaker 1: away from the restaurant. He puts her in the car
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Speaker 1: and goes, oh, I left my gun in the restaurant,
27:56
Speaker 1: goes back in that was a pretense there was no
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Speaker 1: gun in the restaurant. She gets shot in the four
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Speaker 1: minutes he's gone, he pauses to have a glass of
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Speaker 1: water in the restaurant, and then it comes out and
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Speaker 1: finds her body. Wow, I wonder who did it? Mmmmmmmmm.
28:14
Speaker 1: And the gun found in the dumpster a few feet away,
28:17
Speaker 1: that means it was somebody in that area. Scott Peterson
28:21
Speaker 1: murdered his wife Lacy and dumped in his old fishing
28:24
Speaker 1: hole to San Francisco Bay. You see what this means, right,
28:27
Speaker 1: Joe Scott. She's found just a few miles away from home. Yeah,
28:30
Speaker 1: I do see what it means, Nancy. And what this
28:32
Speaker 1: means is that the individual that has involved with her
28:36
Speaker 1: disappearance and with all of the circumstances surrounding it, has
28:41
Speaker 1: to have a familiarity with this area specific enough to
28:45
Speaker 1: go to this area. But you know, as Tom has
28:50
Speaker 1: gone by, her remains suddenly became visible. Now I don't
28:54
Speaker 1: know what state they were in relative to that, whether
28:57
Speaker 1: they were still buried in a depressed area, just lay
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Speaker 1: on top of the ground. But this individual that had
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Speaker 1: access to her also had access to this area and
29:06
Speaker 1: would know how to move around in that area. I mean, everybody,
29:09
Speaker 1: just think silently for a minute. Whatever you do, don't
29:12
Speaker 1: tell me because I'll be on you like a cheap suit.
29:15
Speaker 1: Think where would you hide a body? Think about it.
29:20
Speaker 1: It's somewhere, you know, somewhere where you're familiar. Bobby did
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Speaker 1: Come a former special agent FBI star Facebook series Curse
29:29
Speaker 1: of Aqacre way in Bobby, You've seen it many times over. Yeah,
29:34
Speaker 1: you know, we often do that. We say you are
29:36
Speaker 1: two circles, right when you do a homicide, the world
29:39
Speaker 1: of the victim in the world of the location where
29:41
Speaker 1: either the homicide took place, where the body's found. And
29:43
Speaker 1: so when you do that and you put all those
29:45
Speaker 1: people in those circles, the people that are in the
29:47
Speaker 1: overlapping part of those two circles, are you know, your
29:50
Speaker 1: primary suspects. So did somebody that's all in her life
29:54
Speaker 1: also have familiarity with that geographic area and you start
29:58
Speaker 1: looking at those people first? Because you're right. I think
30:01
Speaker 1: the exercise you just gave us, I think every one
30:03
Speaker 1: of us when you gave us that that task, I'm
30:06
Speaker 1: thinking where we would we immediately thought of a police
30:08
Speaker 1: we know, because why would we think of a police
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Speaker 1: completely random to us, but a random place would be
30:13
Speaker 1: much more difficult for a police to find us attached to. So,
30:17
Speaker 1: so yes, it's something like doctor Mortgage just said. It's
30:20
Speaker 1: something that it's a place that somebody knows. You have
30:23
Speaker 1: to look at people that know that area. Maybe they've
30:26
Speaker 1: hunted in that area before, depends how far off the
30:28
Speaker 1: road it is. So they're going to do kind of
30:30
Speaker 1: a geographic profile of that location, and then and then
30:34
Speaker 1: from that you can kind of, uh, you know, look
30:36
Speaker 1: at your suspect pool and see who fits. Okay, Man,
30:40
Speaker 1: I love it when you taught criminal to me geo
30:44
Speaker 1: geographic profile. That's I've never heard it called that. I know,
30:50
Speaker 1: to figure out who would be in that area. But
30:52
Speaker 1: I like that phrase, geographic profile. I'm stealing it. I
30:56
Speaker 1: made it up. It's my phrase, and you sell it
30:59
Speaker 1: from me. Bobby. That's my story. Kurt Irby, do you
31:04
Speaker 1: ever think, for Pete's sake, can you hide the body
31:07
Speaker 1: somewhere other than you back your order your basement? Kurt?
31:10
Speaker 1: Because you're the veteran defense attorney, you've handled one hundred homicides,
31:16
Speaker 1: you handle Jodyarris, I'm sure you're not going to say yes,
31:18
Speaker 1: she was guilty. But come on, she leaves the body
31:22
Speaker 1: and the victims shower. Come on, please where she last was?
31:28
Speaker 1: People hide dead bodies where they are familiar, Kirk, has
31:32
Speaker 1: anybody ever surprised? You? Don't give me a name. I
31:36
Speaker 1: don't want your ethical integrity to be compromised. But has
31:39
Speaker 1: anybody ever surprised you where they hit a body or evidence? Not? Really? No,
31:44
Speaker 1: I mean it is a familiarity. I mean, even though
31:47
Speaker 1: it sounds so funny in this situation, I mean, people
31:50
Speaker 1: go with what they know and the area they feel
31:53
Speaker 1: safe and regardless of what they're doing. And so Bobby's right,
31:56
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna look at that geographic area and
31:59
Speaker 1: look at the suspects and hope someone within that area
32:02
Speaker 1: has a crisis of conscious. You know, it's almost like this,
32:05
Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bobe, you're the shrink. Excuse me, forensics. I
32:08
Speaker 1: trust doctor Bober. It's like a dog will go and
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Speaker 1: circle round and round and round before she sits down.
32:16
Speaker 1: It's instinct. Why do we do it? Why hide the
32:19
Speaker 1: body exactly where you quote? Hunt, filling the blank, picnic fish,
32:24
Speaker 1: whatever are frequent? Why it's you know, it's a comfort level?
32:29
Speaker 1: You do you do it where you feel comfortable, in
32:32
Speaker 1: the same reason why criminals hunt in the areas that
32:34
Speaker 1: they live in, because there's a certain sense of comfort.
32:36
Speaker 1: They feel safer because they know the territory. Time stories
32:52
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Police say bump has told them he
32:56
Speaker 1: dropped off Page at fifteenth and Scott Boulevard, but search
32:59
Speaker 1: warrants file by Covington police indicate otherwise, and affidavit states
33:03
Speaker 1: Bumpus admitted to being with Johnson the night of the
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Speaker 1: twenty second and gave her alcohol. Officers later searched his
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Speaker 1: tailor mill home on De Corsi Pike to find what
33:12
Speaker 1: appeared to be blood in late TeX's gloves and the
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Speaker 1: kitchen sink. According to the affidavit, cell phone records belonging
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Speaker 1: to Bumpus show he was near Johnson's home at one
33:21
Speaker 1: am and several hours later at Eastcorp Lake State Park
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Speaker 1: in Batavia. If anybody names her on my sisters at
33:28
Speaker 1: please contact us the cops and let them know and Bumpus,
33:32
Speaker 1: if you nay something, then you need to come clean
33:35
Speaker 1: because this is scaring all of us up. It's important
33:40
Speaker 1: to note tonight, Jacob Bumpus has not been charged in
33:43
Speaker 1: any way in connection to Page Johnson's disappearance. He's in
33:46
Speaker 1: jail tonight because he violated his probation for having alcohol
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Speaker 1: at his home. You were hearing our friends at WCPO
33:53
Speaker 1: Channel nine. That was Shannon Kettler reporting, Okay, who is
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Speaker 1: this guy, Jacob bump Us. We know at the time
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Speaker 1: that Page goes missing twenty ten, the twenty two year
34:06
Speaker 1: old Bumpus picked Page up from her mother's home to
34:10
Speaker 1: take her to a party. He later told police he
34:14
Speaker 1: dropped her off fifteen minutes from her home at a
34:17
Speaker 1: Covington intersection. I'd have to say, why why leave her
34:21
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes from home? It was hard for cups to
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Speaker 1: find out anything from anybody at the party. Everybody was drinking,
34:29
Speaker 1: They all had slightly different stories. Nobody could pin down
34:33
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. But then comes phone records. Phone records
34:39
Speaker 1: indicate Bumpus was not telling the truth that he was
34:43
Speaker 1: actually in Florence at the time he said he dropped
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Speaker 1: Page off. He also made a call that night from
34:51
Speaker 1: East Fork State Park in Claremont County around four twenty
34:57
Speaker 1: eight am. That location was pinged about a little over
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Speaker 1: a mile away where Page's body was discovered, which begs
35:09
Speaker 1: the question why didn't they ping his phone at the
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Speaker 1: time and then bring out the canines, the cadaver dogs.
35:16
Speaker 1: That's the big question for me. That's what I would
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Speaker 1: have done to Kristin Kwan joining me w CYB, Bristol, Virginia.
35:24
Speaker 1: You told me a hunter discovered her body was his
35:28
Speaker 1: cell phone pinged the boyfriend at the time, but at
35:31
Speaker 1: the time when she went missing, they did later on
35:34
Speaker 1: ping his cell phone to see where he had been,
35:38
Speaker 1: and they actually, from what I understand, searched that park
35:41
Speaker 1: because his cell phone ping there, but they weren't able
35:44
Speaker 1: to find anything back when this all started in twenty page,
35:48
Speaker 1: Johnson disappeared September twenty three, two ten. Now she would
35:54
Speaker 1: be twenty seven. She was only seventeen years old, with
35:58
Speaker 1: a million dollars smile and her life ahead of her
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Speaker 1: coming to police say. Her remains were located Sunday near
36:05
Speaker 1: Williamsburg Township. Back to Kristin kwand WCYB, Bristol. I believe
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Speaker 1: you said earlier she was identified through dental records. Yeah,
36:15
Speaker 1: that's correct. If they know their teams went in and
36:20
Speaker 1: that's how they figured out that it was her was
36:22
Speaker 1: through dental records too. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
36:26
Speaker 1: State University, an author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
36:31
Speaker 1: Jesscott explain how dental records can be used when you
36:37
Speaker 1: don't have time to go get DNA or you don't
36:40
Speaker 1: have DNA. Yeah, well, you know, the dental records have
36:45
Speaker 1: always been, you know, traditionally in the medical legal community,
36:47
Speaker 1: have always been our fallback position. And that's because the
36:51
Speaker 1: vast majority of people in the US have had some
36:53
Speaker 1: kind of dental treatment. If we if we have a
36:57
Speaker 1: suspicion of who a skeleton or who a skull might
37:01
Speaker 1: have belonged to in life, we can go back to
37:04
Speaker 1: that family and say, did your loved ones have dental
37:07
Speaker 1: care at some point in time? And dental care is
37:09
Speaker 1: very specific. Nancy, teeth are rotated in certain ways, you
37:13
Speaker 1: have certain cavities that are there, you have certain restorations
37:15
Speaker 1: like fillings and caps, so we compare those to the
37:20
Speaker 1: body that we have. So you have to have any
37:22
Speaker 1: mortal records and then the post mortal remains and it
37:25
Speaker 1: ties back pretty quickly next to DNA. It's probably one
37:28
Speaker 1: of the most reliable sources we have for the purposes
37:31
Speaker 1: of identification. In twenty ten, pages disappearance caused massive public vigils,
37:40
Speaker 1: investigative searches that were exhausted social media Facebook pages looking
37:47
Speaker 1: for clues and helping her family. Nothing led to Page Johnson.
37:55
Speaker 1: It was her sister, Brittany Haywood that reported her missing,
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Speaker 1: and the boyfriend, Jacob T. Bump Us, then twenty two
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Speaker 1: of Taylor Mill was questioned, but nothing ever happened with that.
38:09
Speaker 1: He told cops he dropped Page off one am at
38:14
Speaker 1: an intersection. I mean, Kurt Normy, does that sound right?
38:17
Speaker 1: Do you drop a seventeen year old girl off at
38:19
Speaker 1: one am at an intersection at crossways in the street
38:24
Speaker 1: when you're just fifteen minutes from home? It doesn't make
38:27
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. No, And it follows from there
38:30
Speaker 1: and usually most criminals are not really good at lying.
38:33
Speaker 1: And this life just doesn't make any sense. Why does
38:37
Speaker 1: he right? Why does he do that? They're fifteen minutes
38:40
Speaker 1: away from home. Why doesn't he take her home? You
38:43
Speaker 1: combine that with the records, and the police are rightfully
38:47
Speaker 1: suspicious of mister Bumpers. Well, I have good news regarding
38:50
Speaker 1: the police based on additional phone records investigators did go
38:55
Speaker 1: to East Fork State Park in Claremont County with cadaver dogs.
38:59
Speaker 1: It's a ten thousand acre park and they focused their
39:04
Speaker 1: search in the park because of that last known pain.
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Speaker 1: Let me tell everybody, Bumpus has not been charged. He
39:12
Speaker 1: has not been named a suspect. Take a listen to
39:17
Speaker 1: our friends at w KRC Local twelve, Clancy Burke. In
39:22
Speaker 1: the ten years Page Johnson has been missing, Covington police
39:25
Speaker 1: have not given up. It was just two months ago
39:28
Speaker 1: they brought a new detective onto the case, and then
39:30
Speaker 1: three days ago they received a big lead. Over the weekend,
39:34
Speaker 1: a man called nine one one saying he thought he
39:36
Speaker 1: found human remains in a wooded area in Claremont County.
39:40
Speaker 1: This was near Williamsburg Township. The remains were then sent
39:42
Speaker 1: to the Coroner's office for analysis, and late yesterday it
39:45
Speaker 1: was confirmed they were the remains of Page Johnson. She
39:48
Speaker 1: was last seen on September twenty third, two ten, after
39:51
Speaker 1: leaving her Florence home to hang out with friends. A
39:53
Speaker 1: man Johnson was with that night, Jacob Bumpus, told police
39:57
Speaker 1: in twenty ten that he had dropped Page off in
39:59
Speaker 1: Covington that night, but phone Pains revealed he had been
40:02
Speaker 1: in the area of East Fork Leake State Park in
40:04
Speaker 1: the morning she disappeared. By the way. That's just a
40:06
Speaker 1: couple of miles away from where Page's remains were found.
40:09
Speaker 1: Comington Police Chief Rob Nader wouldn't elaborate on any suspects
40:12
Speaker 1: in the case, but said this is a big step
40:15
Speaker 1: for the department. He notified Page's mom about the discovery
40:17
Speaker 1: earlier this morning. I think there is some good feelings
40:21
Speaker 1: that least her daughter has been located. Earlier this morning,
40:25
Speaker 1: Commonwealth's Attorney Rob Sanders said there are people out there
40:27
Speaker 1: who knew things who should be nervous right now. I
40:30
Speaker 1: guess so. I guess so. And according to the sister
40:34
Speaker 1: Brittany Heywood quote, I know there are other people who
40:37
Speaker 1: know what happened to my sister that night. How they
40:40
Speaker 1: sleep at night is baffling to me, and I agree
40:43
Speaker 1: with her. We wait as justice unfolds for those of
40:48
Speaker 1: you just joining us. Major break in the search for
40:51
Speaker 1: Payes Johnson. Her remains have been identified. If you have information,
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Speaker 1: call one eight hundred the Lost one eight hundred, eight
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