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3 Guys Before The Game - Stomped By Sooners (Episode 504) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Top of the day to you, whatever time of the day it may be,
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  We welcome you in. It's three guys before the Game, episode number
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  five hundred and four. Title stomped by Sooners. Stomped by Sooners. That
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  was not fun. We're here to talk about it. Break it down.
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  The Dean is in the chair. That's happy. Courgible El Senatore is ready.
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  special coming up later in this episode and coming up in just a bit spreads
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  provide value beyond the numbers. It's Conley's CPA group. All right, let's
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  jump in. Not a great weekend to be a mountaineer wherever you may be.
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  West Virginia loses in basketball on Friday to Monmouth and then loses to Oklahoma
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  Saturday night final regular season meeting between the two fifty nine to twenty. The
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  final score Women did be Women be Pitt. Yeah, I was going to
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  get to that. I was gonna that's fine, you do put a cherry
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  on on something. Mark Kellogg and the new head women's basketball coach at West
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  Virginia, went up to went up to Pitt and absolutely barnstorm. Now they're
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  up by as many is nineteen. Did you look at the box at all?
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  Thanks for having us. Did you look at the box? Depends on
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  what you're gonna ask. Well, yes, they know. He said when
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  he came in he was gonna do some pressure defensive tactics. Tactics there numbers,
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  Yeah, go ahead, you have you you're not looked. I have
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  not looked. Obviously it was hot. It was a high number. Yeah,
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  high number. A high number would be like twenty two to twenty three.
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  Yeah, we'll take twenty three and add five. Oh, that's that's
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  a lot. That's a lot of turnovers. Twenty eight turnovers in a forty
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  minute game. Pretty good. So congratulations to the WV women. They now
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  are two and zero on the young season, and uh gonna be gonna be
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  fun. You think he was laying in the weeds when he came in here
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  on our show kind of like, yeah, we'll see, we'll see how
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  it put pieces together, we'll go kind I think he, I mean,
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  he was in pretty early. I don't think he knew exactly what he had
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  yet. Remember he didn't have any games. He did a game, he
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  didn't have any games, which still trying to put this kind of like a
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  high school, like, yeah, we're still trying to get see if if
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  you know, Shark Tears Value will come down and play with us. But
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  they have a schedule and they got a team. I've watched him practice now
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  and uh, yeah, he's gonna he's just he is what we thought he
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  was. He's really good. Yeah, he's really good. So good good
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  And as we record a few hours before, uh, coach Dan Stratford and
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  the wv men's soccer team tough challenge. I mean, you're gonna try to
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  win your league championship sun Belt and you have to do it on foreign turf.
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  You're gonna have to well not really foreign. It's in it's in West
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  Virginia, but it's in Huntington and w v U and Marshall for the Sun
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  Belt World Championship. You think, I think Marshall's I think the herds lying
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  in wait there for that one. Yeah. I don't think they were happy
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  with how things went here in Morgantown. So we'll see. And I don't
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  follow it religiously, but I guess if you whoever wins, is going to
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  be the one seed in the NC Double A tournament and have home home advantage
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  home pitch home pitch home pitch advantage, right, brand, I think sounds
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  that way. Okay, yeah, big one. Also coming up on the
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  podcast a little bit later on our announcement when we get to textual healing.
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  our holiday shopping cart ready for its debut coming up on Wednesday, sixteen hour
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  days. Yeah, and we've got new item overtime, new items. All
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  right, so let's jump into the deal man. West Virginia goes into Norman
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  last night on the fuel of a couple of wins over UCF and then against
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  BYU. Played its best game of the season against BYU last week, rolled
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  the Cougars thirty seven to seven. So you go into Norman and you say,
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  okay, let's do this. Let's take a swing. You know the
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  odds are against you. I mean the line literally was double figures. It
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  was twelve or thirteen points. You score on your first drive, and you
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  good doing so, you looked really smooth, and you say like, okay,
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  we came here to ball this Saturday night. They get it, they
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  score, it's seven to seven. The problem is that every time they got
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  it. They scored, and West Virginia stopped, and so by halftime it's
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  thirty one fourteen. Oklahoma attacks two more on in the third quarter, two
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  more on in the fourth quarter. West Virginia scores just six more points the
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  rest of the way, and it's fifty nine to twenty. It leaves you
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  with a lot of emotion, and it leaves you bummed out because again,
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  you knew that you were the prohibitive underdog. You knew that you had never
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  won there. You knew that on average, game notes from Oklahoma showed that
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  they had averaged forty seven points per game against West Virginia. Okay, but
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  you still thought. You still thought, Okay, this is your best chance
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  to go in there and legitimately compete. And it never happened. They got
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  boat raced. So a lot to pull apart here before next Saturday, Cincinnati
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  last home game, then Baylor the following week. So we'll get into all
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  of that. We'll get in all that, all right, mister hoppy fire
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  away. We have not discussed we missed our pre pre recession planning meeting,
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  which we never morning. Two words come to mind, surprised and disappointed.
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  Start with surprised, is Tony, you laid it out. I was really
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  shocked at at how West Virginia played. I mean, Oklahoma, you wondered
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  what you were going to get because they lost a couple of games. Would
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  they be into it? And they were ready to go, They were angry,
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  they were they played inspired, they were they were ready to go.
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  And then West Virginia simply was not worst game of the year. So that
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  to me was surprising. And in all phases, I mean, the line
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  got dominated offensively and defensively, receivers for Oklahoma were wide open. You couldn't
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  run the ball. Garrett Green had probably his worst game, So just all
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  phases, just we're off. That was surprising and then disappointing because we talked
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  a lot about Brad going there and saying, you know, you have an
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  opportunity, here's an opportunity, and try to make the most of it,
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  and you simply didn't. You squandered the opportunity, And that's disappointing. Yeah,
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  I think that's well said by both of you. I was wrong on
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  that. I'm with you, Tony. I thought it was gonna be tough
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  to walk in there and get a win. But I thought there were some
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  matchup things you had in this game that gave you a real chance to go
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  in there and compete and make it a game, and you just didn't.
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  And we'll get into a bunch of different aspects, but guys, it really
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  starts in two areas, and it's the lines on both sides of the ball.
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  The offensive line got no push. We haven't seen that all year.
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  You had no ability to run the football. Haven't seen that all year.
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  The defensive line got pushed around as well, and that Oklahoma team did whatever
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  it wanted. You didn't get pressure on Dylan Gabriel and let him stand back
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  there like it was seven on seven practice, which gave the defensive backs no
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  chance. And it looked, you know, like the defenses back in the
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  twenty thirteen era when guys were just running wide open, so started up front
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  on both sides. You got manhandled in those areas. And guys, when
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  that happens, it really doesn't matter what else you do or try and do,
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  if you're not winning either line of scrimmage, Especially this version of WVU,
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  that's where it's made its Hey, when it wins games, it's because
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  the offensive line is clearing a path and the offense gets clicking and the defense
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  is applying pressure, allowing then the linebackers to go to work and helping the
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  d backs. You just didn't get it. You just didn't get it.
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  And that was pretty evident right from the start. So where does it leave
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  West Virginia with two to go? Well, the bad news, if you
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  want to add on bad news, is that CJ. Donaldson was injured in
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  that game and that looks to be an ankle and you wait to find out
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  if it's conventional ankle or high ankle, and if it's the latter, then
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  there's a very good chance that you don't see him for the next two games.
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  So that will require some changes. And obviously it's one of those deals
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  where you have to get back now and figure out exactly why and how all
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  of that happened. Now, skill wise, Oklahoma, you can say what
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  you want and you can say, how does Drake Stoops catch that ball?
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  But like, he's a really good player and he I mean he's currently he's
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  probably number one in the league now in catches. So and I know you're
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  curling your eyes. He's not going to be an NFL guy, But what
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  I'm saying is the way that they use him. Let's just say this,
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  he's a playmaker. He had a great game. West Virginia has to own
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  that. That's on West Virginia defensive backs to own it. I'll give you
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  a number, you're ready. Thirty percent of his season receiving yards came last
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  night. Thirty thirty percent, nearly one third of his season total came against
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  you last night. He hadn't done that all year. Oklahoma State he had
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  niceame one hundred and thirty four yards as well. So his last two games,
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  he's really come on. They used him tremendously well they did. Why
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  aren't you up on him? Get up on him. See if he can
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  beat you deep, See if he can run by you. You know they're
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  gonna throw it underneath to him. You know he's gonna cut to the inside
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  of the field. How do you not shut that off? You gotta shut
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  that off. Dude went for thirty percent of his yards in one game.
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  That can't happen, man, it just can't happen. So that's again,
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  that's not our funny haha. With all due respect, I mean, he's
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  made himself into a very good Division one player. You shouldn't give up thirty
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  percent of some guy's season receiving yards to him. You just simply should You
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  got to find a way to guard where he's going and make him do something
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  he doesn't want to do. See if he can run by you, get
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  up on him. If he runs by you, so be it. He's
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  getting big chunks anyway. I don't understand that. And to go back to
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  the other point, Brad, is that Dylan Gabriel like no pressure on him,
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  so he's back there. He's got time. You can't go guard them
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  forever. Even the defensive backs had a big game, but you can't guard
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  those guys forever. So a Dylan gabrielle time and there's stoops, you know,
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  getting open. And Steve Dunlap, who coached defense for years and years
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  is on our coverage, was just beside himself at defensive guys being out of
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  position. When a receiver Tony Oklahoma receiver goes out when there's no man in
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  the middle with your defense, and then the receiver for Oklahoma runs out and
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  cuts to the middle of the field, if that defensive back is out of
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  position and not taking away the inside, then the guy's going to be open.
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  Then it's just a simple pitch and catch. So but so, Dunlap
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  was beside himself on how the defense was lining up and executing last night.
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  Yeah, and that was one of Neil's biggest things that they had to do
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  because of their tempo. He said, one of the big things we have
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  to line up. We've heard that, you know, going back to last
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  year. What did they work on this spring getting in alignment? Getting in
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  alignment? And still here we go. What is that game? Ten?
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  Never really got able to never were able to get in aligned properly consistently,
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  and it led to those gaping holes. I would imagine when you guys were
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  watching it on TV, there were those times when it was one of those
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  nights where they're catching balls and there's no defensive player in the screen. That's
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  what I just said in the open, That's literally what I just said.
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  It was like twenty thirteen. There's guys running with nobody else in the picture,
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  just big, giant and green spices of attack and they needn't tackle and
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  guys. I also was surprised you couldn't take more advantage of that Oklahoma offensive
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  line and listen, credit Oklahoma. They were taking a beating for two weeks
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  and everybody was on them, killing that offense that they couldn't do anything,
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  killing their play calling, killing their personnel. They came out and just flat
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  played. That offensive line did a great job. It won the night against
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  West Virginia Western. You had no ability to get home on that and then
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  that left those defensive backs in positions they didn't want to be in. So
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  credit to Oklahoma, but that's just a that's an incredibly disappointing end. And
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  Neil said it afterwards, that borders on an embarrassing performance for both sides,
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  but especially the defense there that just didn't They didn't give you a chance.
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  The offense didn't do enough to win it and had a bunch of issues that
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  we'll get into, but the defense never gave you a chance to be competitive
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  in that one. You know, Brad not only borders on embarras embarrassment.
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  Here is Neil Brown's quote, I am embarrassed. There you go, I'm
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  embarrassed about what we put on tape. That's his words. So it wasn't
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  And you know, Tony, I mean obviously you called the game. I
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  mean there were times last night you're watching you go ooh, I am a
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  little bit embarrassed. You're watching this, Yeah, absolute skunk job. Yeah
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  we were, you know, we're watching. We're there all day, we're
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  watching football, and and Oklahoma State goes to UCF and like we're chortling,
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  right like, look at that. They didn't show up. I mean,
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  my gosh, that's embarrassing for Oklahoma State. And boy uh a couple hours
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  later, Yeah, yeah, there's no question, no question, by what
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  a crazy day. So like now in the standings, I mean there is
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  a cavalcade of schools all locked up here as we get ready to which is
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  what we expected all year. Yeah, that's what you thought you'd get in
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  this league. And I think that result shows it that you go into UCF,
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  who I still thinks a better team than what their record indicates, And
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  they showed that against Oklahoma State, a team that had been rolling, looked
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  like it was in the Big Twelve Championship, looked like Oli Gordon's getting an
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  invite to New York and all that. What do we say, It's a
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  week to week business. For the most part. You got to show up
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  in Oklahoma State didn't. West Virginia did not either, and got roped.
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  All right, you're ready to do this thing that we call spreads on stats.
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  Are you ready for to this prepared? You're good? Yeah, you're
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  sure. Let's go, so I check the numbers. I'll just go right
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  to the numbers and comes in hearing. Let's jump into the analytics. Worship
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  your CFO services. Visit them Conley CPA Group. So I would imagine the
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  numbers are as bad as our eyes saw it in real time. Yeah,
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  there's some disheartening numbers. I always say this in the wrap up. A
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  lot of times you're not on covering things, but you're just getting stats that
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  back up what your eyes saw. So let's go through a couple of the
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  big picture ones. This won't surprise any of you, but that was West
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  Virginia's worst run blocking grade of the season. No shock, That's the second
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  worst coverage grade of the season for West Virginia. So those two things stood
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  out. Couldn't run, it couldn't cover. That's probably not going to go
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  well for West Virginia when those things happen. It's dive into some other specifics.
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  And one other thing here too. We should have talked about this before
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  we got into this spread segment here, but two really big moments. I
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  thought in that game that maybe you don't win anyway, but I thought these
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  sealed your fate. You couldn't get any points off the muff punt right you
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  caught a break right there that really would have flipped the momentum. And you
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  have the ball, and not only do you not score seven, but then
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  you miss a field goal, which hasn't happened very often this year, get
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  no points out of that, and then that can't punch it in and score
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  from inside the five when you have four shots. I think you can still
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  argue there were some at least one of those plays where you're probably over the
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  goal line, but neither here nor there. Those two big moments in that
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  game I thought were really emblematic of what happened throughout the game and really kind
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  of told the story. Let's go through some of this is a mashup of
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  our review from Thursday, what we said keys were, and then backing into
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  some other numbers that were surprising. What's the key on our defensive side of
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  the ball? I lead with it every single week and it continues to be
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  the one consistent number with this group on passing downs? Can you keep the
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  other team in passing downs more than thirty percent of the time. We look
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  right to that, and that's told the story in nearly every game this season.
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  If they stay under, if the opponent stays under thirty percent, it's
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  going to turn into a loss. When you keep them in passing downs more
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  than thirty percent of the time, it's turned into a win. And that's
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  generally because you've handled the running game and you've made the other team a little
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  more one dimensional. The only time that hasn't held true was at UCF.
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  You held them under thirty percent or they were under thirty percent passing downs,
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  you still got the win last night, same thing ou was in passing downs
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  just twenty seven percent of the game. They ran the ball successfully when they
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  needed to, through it when they wanted to, so that number continues to
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  hold true. Gabriel, as we mentioned, just had way too much time.
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  Sean Martin had that one sack early. PFF had some some more pressure
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  numbers for West Virginia than I thought. They're pretty generous with pressures. It
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  certainly didn't feel like that. There were some late where West Virginia got within
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  a step or two of Gabriel, but not enough to affect him. So
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  just not enough, not enough making him uncomfortable. And we said going in
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  he may not be the Heisman caliber guys they had during that stretch at Historic
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  Stretch. He's he's a really good quarterback and he was delivering. He had
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  some high passes, some mispasses, he also delivered some strikes and was just
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  too good last night for you to handle. He was tranquil in the pocket.
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  In other words, Yeah, he was back there, just kind of
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  like he was just dealing on Plus I'm just kind of like, okay,
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  what do we got here? I'll throw it now, I think I'll take
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  off. I mean he was in complete control. That was he was being
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  a field general. Right. One of the things we talked about on Thursday
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  when it came to the game within the game and we were trying to look
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  for a part where West Virginia could win a battle, we went to first
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  down and we talked that OU defense had given up the third fewest yards on
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  first down rushes. Right, that had been a key for West Virginia.
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  Can you run it on first down and start to stay on schedule, get
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  ahead of the sticks, and open up that playbook. But you're going against
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  the defense it was very good on first down rushes. So that was the
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  third fewest yards on first down rushes for OU going against West Virginia that had
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  the second most rushing yards on first down. Great matchup, hoppy, Right,
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  that's what you want to see, strength on strength. Who wins that
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  strength? West Virginia on first downs point two yards per carry in the first
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  half when that game was decided point else. Let me say that again,
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  point two zero point two yards per carry on first down in the first half
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  ballgame. You didn't win that matchup. Conversely, Conversely, this wasn't part
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  of the handicap, but OU win on first down carries six point eight yards
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  per carry, So you go, they're going they're sitting in second and three.
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  Most of time, you're sitting in third and ten at best ballgame,
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  it's over for the game. West Virginia ran it just for three point three
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  yards per carry. Can't win. Conversely, OU first down just yards per
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  play, not just per carry. OU first down for the game eight point
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  eight yards per play. So they won first down on you, and it
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  wasn't particularly close. Again, that backs up what you saw. Go to
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  the other part of that third down. West Virginia had been very good on
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  third down. They came in as the third best third down rushing team in
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  the country. Okay, West Virginia had five carries for one yard on third
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  down in the first half. That was going against an OU defense that was
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  ninth in the league and third down rushing. So first and third down you
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  just got dominated. You couldn't win, couldn't win. So those are big
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  problems, which leads to when you hear the numbers, it just makes you
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  more angry. It just makes you more frustrated. It just makes you go
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  like, what are you doing? One other thing we did talk about that
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  matchup, talked about the seam route there Cole Taylor preston Fox. You got
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  two of them. Devin Carter had that won that thirty two yard game.
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  He had another one to Clement in the end zone that was wide open call.
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  It was there for a touchdown, got to Clment right in his hands.
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  Interference coming over the top. So you had two. You needed more
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  than that. You couldn't take advantage of it. You just hit a couple
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  of them. So those are kind of some of the big numbers are guys,
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  you know they Again I refer to Dunlap because he sees it so clearly,
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  and he was talking about how I'm took in the first half that prior
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  to the snap, the Oklhoma was doing a good job shifting their defensive line,
• 22:23
  and West Virginia's offensive line just never never figured it out and just couldn't
• 22:27
  couldn't get any movement up front. And also what's his name, Stutsman.
• 22:32
  Stutsman's a dude. I mean having him back helped. Yeah, I mean
• 22:34
  I don't think it was all over the place. I mean it was a
• 22:37
  kind of night where you couldn't say one thing or another changed anything. But
• 22:38
  having Stutsman in there I think helped a lot for a pen eight tackles,
• 22:41
  two tackles for loss. For Stutsman led the team in tackles. Yeah,
• 22:45
  yeah, he's a dude. He's a dude. Hey, Brad, this
• 22:48
  is for you. This is for you. Because when West Virginia got down
• 22:52
  on the goal line, couldn't score, but Green thought he was in.
• 22:56
  West Virginia thought that Green was in. But you did have a camera angle
• 23:00
  right, there was no you could not You could not legitimately overturn that,
• 23:02
  and that wouldn't changed the game. But it couldn't legitimately overturn it because nine
• 23:04
  camera angles but none down the goal line, which is just unfathomable to me.
• 23:07
  As I went bananas on our broadcast, Neil Brown said, quote,
• 23:11
  that's not a knock on officiating. Here. We are playing a nationally televised
• 23:15
  game and we don't have a goal line camera, not a single goal line
• 23:18
  shot, whether the ball got over or not, which is amazing to me.
• 23:22
  It's like Brad was channeling Neil Brown or vice versas last night. I
• 23:27
  was doing it in real time. Yes, you were, you were doing
• 23:30
  real time. You had a meltdown. I don't quite understand why that is
• 23:33
  so hard, and I don't want to hear the bull crap. I mean,
• 23:36
  just put a freaking camera. It's mandatory. You put a freaking camera
• 23:40
  on the goal line. I don't care if Fox, Cat, Skunk,
• 23:44
  whatever network's doing the game. You put a camera straight down the goal line.
• 23:48
  How not that freaking hard? How big is I mean not in this
• 23:52
  game necessarily, but how big is that? That's the that's the biggest thing,
• 23:56
  is whether or not you get in the end zone. And again it
• 23:59
  had nothing, absolutely zero to do with the outcome of the game, but
• 24:03
  regardless, like, can we just get that part of it fixed. I
• 24:06
  don't care that they didn't have the production crew. They didn't have they didn't
• 24:08
  even have a sideline reporter last night. So these networks, you know,
• 24:11
  sometimes they'll pull back on numbers of cameras and things like that, but it
• 24:15
  should be manned to tour. Sorry, we put goal line cameras. You
• 24:18
  shoot a laser right down that thing. It's not that fricking hard. I
• 24:22
  don't care if anyone's saying if don't tell me it's hard. Don't tell me
• 24:26
  it's not. It's lazy and inexcusable. And you're right. You still don't
• 24:29
  win that game because you weren't stopping anybody, So I get it. But
• 24:32
  that also would have made it a little more interesting. If he's in or
• 24:33
  you get in right there to put a little pressure on them, it could
• 24:37
  change the course of it. But it's just that should just be a that's
• 24:38
  a blanket statement. That's not just a last night game to not have that
• 24:42
  camera available, especially when it's big Fox. I don't know how they get
• 24:47
  away with that. I don't know. That's that's lazy and inexcusable. I
• 24:49
  mean, if it is, then plus you're lucky you got an upshot on
• 24:52
  the things. I mean, don't worry about that. But I mean,
• 24:53
  but you're right. I mean, but if TV's the whole deal, now,
• 24:56
  if that's all we're gonna worry about is TV and TV execs are going
• 25:00
  to make all the decisions, then make the friggin' TV thing good, make
• 25:03
  it really good. Put a camera there. They showed seven different angles,
• 25:07
  none of them the one angle that you actually right right. Anyway, Now
• 25:11
  we'll get a million text saying we're complaining about that. Yeah, I mean
• 25:14
  it's just something. No, No, that. No. Again, We've
• 25:17
  been clear, it's not about significantly changing the game. It's about the macro
• 25:22
  of being able to determine whether somebody's in the end zone or not. I
• 25:26
  don't know if he was not. You couldn't tell. Looked like you might
• 25:29
  have been. But Tony, you couldn't tell. You watched the replay,
• 25:32
  No, because it was behind. It was behind or in front or in
• 25:36
  front, depending on which way you're looking at. You know, this is
• 25:38
  again to go off on a harangue here. You know, I talked to
• 25:41
  Wren last week about the transmitters in the helmets and like, everyone's like,
• 25:47
  yeah, we need to put transmitters in the helmets. But they say,
• 25:49
  well, it's not as easy as you think it would be because if you
• 25:53
  put a transmitter in the quarterback's helmet, the company that makes the helmets,
• 25:59
  they're not manu factored for that. So you have a liability issue that if
• 26:03
  you put something in there that it potentially could impact the amount of safety that
• 26:07
  it provides to the person wearing the helmet. And I like, I totally
• 26:11
  get that, but that's the reason why this thing is going slower And he
• 26:14
  says, probably gonna be two or three years. And my point to that
• 26:17
  is, well, wait a second, every single Sunday, the NFL has
• 26:22
  them in their helmet, right, So like, can we just go to
• 26:26
  the NFL and say, who exactly does that? We need that? That's
• 26:30
  what we want to do, because don't tell me it's a money issue.
• 26:33
  Don't tell me the camera is a money issue. You know, there's too
• 26:37
  much money that is being spent in this world and money exchangeing hands to say
• 26:41
  like, no, we're gonna have wireless helmets, don't care what it cost.
• 26:45
  I want a camera on every single goal line in every Power five game.
• 26:48
  I want it there. That's just a standard rule. So there's also
• 26:52
  a technology. Instead of helmet, you can do wristband. Yeah you could.
• 26:57
  I mean I guess you could. Apple Watch. Is that what you're
• 27:00
  going with. I'm just saying I've looked into it because of the whole Michigan
• 27:03
  cheating scandal. Yeah, and you want to like, why is there still
• 27:06
  a guy on the sideline like going like this. I mean, the technology
• 27:10
  is there for these very things we're talking about. It's silly. I mean,
• 27:12
  last night to Oklahoma went with black black sails from the front of the
• 27:18
  Penta, the Nina, and the Santa Maria from Columbus. They're putting those
• 27:22
  big on them things. Is this is where we are? It's yeah,
• 27:26
  it's it's absurd. I mean, anyway, real quick, let's do another
• 27:29
  number here real quick, and again backs up what you saw that Western had
• 27:34
  had real trouble running inside. That also has not been an issue for most
• 27:40
  of this year. But if you take the gaps, it's like the left
• 27:42
  A gap to the left of the center between the center and the guard,
• 27:45
  and then move it over on the other side of the center between the center
• 27:48
  and the right guard, and then the right guard and the tackle. Okay,
• 27:53
  you're ready. So those kind of three gaps. West Virginia ran it
• 27:57
  fifteen times for forty one yards in that area, the A gap to the
• 28:03
  left just two point three yards per carry, the A gap to the right
• 28:06
  just one yard per carry, and then the right guard gap just three point
• 28:11
  eight yards per carry, so that just the middle of the line, there
• 28:15
  was just nothing there. Oklahoma did a great job of winning those battles and
• 28:18
  plugging that up. I don't we don't want to pile on individuals by name,
• 28:26
  So just do this generically based upon the numbers that you've provided. I
• 28:30
  would imagine that some of the individual grades were like whoa. There were a
• 28:33
  couple yeah it was. There were a couple that were yes, that were
• 28:37
  like, oh my gosh. It was really more in the collective that you
• 28:41
  got it though. You know, you got stuffed on twenty seven percent of
• 28:45
  your runs. That's just that that's what they do. This team is built
• 28:48
  to run. It can't get stuffed that much. Yeah, that was the
• 28:52
  big story coming to the game. Oklahoma is the best quote unquote stuff team,
• 28:56
  right, and you said, okay, here's the matchup West Virginia's offensive
• 28:59
  line. Can they counter that answer? No, did not, not on
• 29:03
  that night. Not on that night. Yes, but in first down was
• 29:07
  really where it was important. So Oklahoma came in. What we talked about
• 29:08
  on Thursday came in is the second most run stuffs in the league. But
• 29:12
  you were going against a West Virginia team that was the second best stuff rate
• 29:18
  offense and it just didn't get stuff. So that's what I mean. Strength
• 29:21
  on strength on that first down run against run defense, and Oklahoma won it
• 29:26
  going away. It wasn't. It wasn't even close. You didn't even win
• 29:29
  part of the battle. So that was ballgame right there. You don't have
• 29:32
  to go any further. This offense isn't isn't designed to be in second and
• 29:36
  third and long. It's just not. It's got to stay. What was
• 29:38
  one of the keys before the game, we talked about staying on schedule,
• 29:41
  right, and that's why when it is then you're not quite sure what West
• 29:44
  Virginia's doing to you, and you've got the whole playbook. You just didn't
• 29:47
  have the whole playbook the other night, and that puts you don't have the
• 29:49
  playbook, and that puts the whole playbook, and that puts Gared Green in
• 29:52
  a tough spot. But also again I'm going to quote Neil Brown as the
• 29:56
  Garrett head. Probably was worst game of the year, and a Brown said,
• 30:00
  Garrett's played really well most of the year, but tonight wasn't his best.
• 30:03
  The thing that irritates you is decision making. I can deal with some
• 30:07
  of the errant throws, but on that series in particular, and you just
• 30:08
  talk about a series where West Virginia didn't take advantage of that punt punt fumble.
• 30:15
  We had a couple of good plays and sometimes when you see too much,
• 30:18
  he didn't see it very well. He'll learn to get better, et
• 30:21
  cetera, et cetera. So again, just you know, and what we
• 30:23
  talked about a lot was Garret Green got a lot better at decision making.
• 30:26
  Is a season going on and just for whatever reason, and Green acknowledged that
• 30:30
  too. So I mean, we can go on and on. Just everything
• 30:33
  went wrong. Everything went wrong last night. Oklahoma had a lot to do
• 30:37
  with that. But disappointing performance here is another surprise to me. And we
• 30:41
  had talked about the Oklahoma offensive line. We've watched West Virginia play them before
• 30:45
  when it's been historic group up front where it's just it's not one or two
• 30:49
  pros, it's five pros and you're just thinking, oh my gosh, how
• 30:52
  do you do this? This didn't seem to be that kind of Oklahoma offensive
• 30:56
  line. Yet their performance last night was like that. They averaged eight almost
• 31:02
  nine yards per play, which is right in line with some of those great
• 31:04
  offenses you faced from Oklahoma. But here here's part of the reasoning for that.
• 31:08
  Thinking going back and using Pro Football Focus's player grades and then filtering out
• 31:14
  for players that had played at least one hundred snaps on the season. This
• 31:17
  was stunning to me. In pregame, Oklahoma's top graded offensive linemen heading in
• 31:22
  checked in at twenty first overall in the Big twelve, twenty first best grade
• 31:26
  their top graded linemen. West Virginia had four players graded in the top sixteen
• 31:32
  with that same metric. So you would have thought, again, can you
• 31:34
  get some wins against that Oklahoma line? And you just didn't. You just
• 31:38
  didn't. Do You remember who their best we Havings was a guiten. Their
• 31:41
  best lineman didn't play last night. Their right side tackle was six to seven,
• 31:45
  like seven hundred and twenty pounds was going to be an NFL guy.
• 31:48
  Didn't play. Deja Sheldon wasn't an injury, but he did something. So
• 31:53
  they moved their backup left tackle over to right tackle and he went the whole
• 31:56
  game. You know, we've talked going into this, Tony, that maybe
• 32:00
  Okoma doesn't have the guys they normally do, but they still have guys,
• 32:04
  right, I mean, it's still Oklahoma, so they still have guys,
• 32:07
  even if some of them don't stand out like they have historically. No,
• 32:12
  I mean they're receivers, like you can just tell now, Yes they've caught
• 32:15
  the ball in stride, wide open. But like Julil Farouk, Nick Anderson,
• 32:20
  those guys have wheels. They have wheels when they catch that ball.
• 32:22
  It's a different level of speed and as a combination, it was just it
• 32:27
  was just completely blaw You said, Garrett didn't have his best game, no
• 32:30
  question. He didn't get any help on a couple of balls that he threw.
• 32:34
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• 33:55
  little bit. We're getting ready for the holidays. We will on our holiday
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• 34:52
  be nice if we had our own, yeah popcorn. Yeah, it didn't
• 34:55
  take long, did it. Huh, we got that underway. You ask
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  and you shall receive. So are you and is this official? Are you
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  where that is. It's right on Main Street. Yeah, well sure it
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  Then the then the apparel. We've got President Dester dropping new items with the
• 35:58
  always West Virginia connection Harvard Day. The Always West Virginia Connection has new items
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  coming in, so that's all on the website, and soon to be announcing
• 36:07
  a project that we're going to partner with wv u's Cancer Institute. Great,
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  great project to help folks and their families that are dealing with cancer. So
• 36:15
  that'll all be coming up November sixteenth. I guess so I said fifteen sixteen,
• 36:22
  when next time we do an episode, which will be Thursday. So
• 36:24
  all those new items are available Thursdays. Is that what you're saying for your
• 36:27
  holiday shopping? Give you some Yeah, we're beating. We're going to breed
• 36:30
  black Friday. They think they can get ahead of us and know such thing.
• 36:35
  All right, So here we go into the texts. Again, we
• 36:39
  received too many to do all of them. I will try to give you
• 36:45
  a general theme and consensus. So if you do not hear your text,
• 36:50
  read, don't get your feelings hurt. I have a very strong probability that
• 36:54
  your theme or your belief will be generated. And as you may imagine,
• 37:00
  there is outrage, there is despondency, there is pissed offness. As I
• 37:08
  would say that probably that works. You know what I'm saying angst pod whatever.
• 37:15
  Then we go Kevin from Cross Lanes. Three guys, Hello. Two
• 37:20
  things. First, am I the only one who dances alone wearing air pods
• 37:23
  every time I hear textual healing? Or just the only one who will admit
• 37:27
  it? Anyone on staff who can do the stats on that? Second,
• 37:30
  I've got an idea for the home win, saying, as Victor's leave,
• 37:34
  simply do a twist on the way, saying with nice having you and if
• 37:37
  it's special win at hope you can come back soon. Let me get into
• 37:40
  that. So apparently I might have asked. Apparently I might have asked,
• 37:46
  hey, why don't you help us find something so when people are leaving the
• 37:51
  game that you can use instead of thanks for having us? And so I
• 37:58
  got like sixty two million those Let me just read them all so we can
• 38:02
  just get that over with. Okay, this is your home your home game,
• 38:09
  and you win, and you say to them right right, yeah,
• 38:14
  okay. So it goes from thanks for coming out, better luck next time,
• 38:19
  thanks for coming, thanks for dropping by, y'all come back now you're
• 38:22
  hear hey, thanks for coming, thanks for coming by, blah blah blah
• 38:25
  blah blah. So just a bunch a bunch of those whatever. I don't
• 38:34
  think we're going to solve anything here. Three guys basketball question, What,
• 38:37
  if any path does Coach Eilert have to being head coach for the Mountaineers for
• 38:40
  the next few years. Before the latest personnel issues, it seemed that if
• 38:45
  he could get far enough in the NCAA tournament, he'd be really hard not
• 38:49
  to keep. With how things have developed, it seems that he could do
• 38:52
  an incredible job while winning fewer games. So far, this team and staff
• 38:55
  seems very easy to root for. Thanks a lot, Charlie from Richmond,
• 39:02
  who's from Clarksburg. Oh, I don't know, man, they are easy
• 39:09
  to root for. But my goodness, the head it just seems like the
• 39:13
  headwinds. It started out with a headwind out feels a hurricane force almost.
• 39:16
  Yeah, and you saw it the other night. And this is this is
• 39:19
  really not a surprise. Given the suspensions and the guys that aren't with you,
• 39:22
  and if Battle's not available to you, if Careesa who is not available
• 39:27
  for these first nine games, that changes the makeup of that team significantly.
• 39:30
  A cook of cooks, another guy he counted on to play significant minutes.
• 39:34
  You're just you're just not at a level without those guys that you thought you'd
• 39:37
  be at. Played basically six guys the other night. That's really hard.
• 39:42
  That's really hard at this level to play six guys, and you're just struggling
• 39:45
  to find a consistent offense. So until one, until Cresa gets back in
• 39:50
  two, at least, you know, I know it's a long shot to
• 39:52
  get battle. I guess there's still some hope because it's not a definitive no
• 39:55
  on the appeal, but that those things have changed the makeup this team significantly
• 40:00
  from what it was expected to be. Unfortunately, the realistic projection of what
• 40:06
  this roster will be for the rest of the season will be the addition of
• 40:08
  Kerk Carisa. To get Raykwon battle eligible at this point would be a massive
• 40:15
  surprise. If that happens, it's early Christmas. If it doesn't happen,
• 40:22
  to be quite honest with you, that would be based upon the NCAA's recent
• 40:24
  rulings, that would be the expectation. So the only thing you know right
• 40:29
  now is Caresa comes back seven more games from now. You don't know situations
• 40:32
  because they don't release that, But cal did just have a two time transfer
• 40:36
  approved at the end of this week. Cincinnati, on the other hand,
• 40:38
  had one denied, So there's at least a crack there, but one doesn't
• 40:43
  have anything to do with the other. The way the NCAA works and you
• 40:45
  and again everyone's always asking when when win win, Well, you just don't
• 40:49
  know. They meet like once a week, whether they do yours or that
• 40:52
  that day, you don't know. Normally the day after they meet it comes
• 40:53
  out. So who knows. Man, if it happens for raekwon battle,
• 41:01
  we'll do something special. I will get a cake or something and we'll just
• 41:06
  we'll toast because he's a dude. Yeah. It instantly changed the makeup of
• 41:12
  this team. Absolutely instantly. Absolutely. A guy named Jan I'm assuming it's
• 41:21
  a guy I don't know, Jane in Chicago, known to my friends as
• 41:22
  Buck Wheat. So he goes through this thing where he looks at the matrix
• 41:27
  of the Big twelve football schedule twenty four through twenty seven, and he says,
• 41:30
  I'm a Having lived with myself for many years, I know that I
• 41:35
  can at times attribute too much to too little. I'm really good though,
• 41:37
  at reading between the lines. I'm curious as to what you guys think on
• 41:40
  the topic. So anyway, he took the matrix and he thinks that the
• 41:44
  years there's a conspiracy of some sort in the divisions, and he thinks in
• 41:47
  the future it'll be two Arizona's, Utah, BYU, Colorado Baylor, and
• 41:52
  TCU in Texas Tech. And then the next team on the matrix I call
• 41:54
  the Straggler's Division Houston, Oklahoma State, Cincinnati, Iowa State, uc in
• 42:00
  West Virginia thinks the only two remaining schools, Kansas and Kansas State compared constitute
• 42:05
  appearing the Straggler Division. So yeah, dude, you think way too much.
• 42:09
  I didn't quite get the gist of that. After watching the Oklahoma scalping
• 42:15
  of the Mountaineers, I began to ponder the reality of our team situation.
• 42:19
  We, by any measure, are an average football team playing in a conference
• 42:22
  that's below average compared to years past. Our offensive line completely manhandled to the
• 42:28
  point that we looked like it was their first season together. I have not
• 42:30
  been a fan of our blocking scheme since Matt Moore arrive. We don't down
• 42:35
  block, which creates situations where more gifted athletes on the defensive line can dominate,
• 42:38
  which occurred last night. I'll be interested to listen to the stats on
• 42:42
  how our offensive line graded out. How do you have four downs from inside
• 42:46
  the one and you never use a lead blocker. If we don't make a
• 42:50
  change after the season, there's no reason to continue to spend the money I
• 42:52
  spend a purchase season tickets. That I think we'd win last night? Absolutely
• 42:57
  not. But I did expect our team to compete at a high level.
• 43:00
  Yes, as we should. No matter how nice of a person you are,
• 43:01
  your main job is to perform and produce positive results in any job you
• 43:06
  have in your life. But after five years, we've not witnessed enough improvement
• 43:08
  to continue under the current staff. Seven and five or six and six,
• 43:13
  right or wrong is not good enough, no matter how the hand you were
• 43:15
  dealt with from the start. And that text right there encapsulates the majority of
• 43:23
  others that won't be used today because today, because there's just so so many
• 43:30
  of them. But that kind of puts it all right there. Texter,
• 43:36
  Why do we decide to convert Garrett to a pocket passer on Game ten?
• 43:40
  You can't see over the lineman offense or defense. We took his skills away?
• 43:46
  Texter three words Rodney Gallagher basketball, probably not, probably not. I
• 43:55
  don't know if there will be any intermingling of roster football player over to basketball,
• 44:00
  but I would think that Rodney's focus in the offseason will be football and
• 44:05
  will continue to try to get bigger, stronger, texter tough loss I know,
• 44:09
  but I can't wait to hear Brad talk about Monmouth in five years and
• 44:13
  say, I think Xander Rice scored eighty eight points in that game in twenty
• 44:15
  twenty three, did feel like it. He was really good. He went
• 44:20
  off graduate transfer, came in from Bucknell. The coach's son, King Rysis
• 44:22
  Son was excellent. Mike in Parkersburg, Hey Scope spreads Hoppy to the third
• 44:30
  pregame text alert in the spirit of there's always a West Virginia connection. We're
• 44:34
  at the Love's truck Stop, about ten miles out of Norman. I'm standing
• 44:37
  in line go to the restroom. Lady walks by all in Oklahoma gear.
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  I softly say, boo Sooners. She turns and smiles and then starts to
• 44:45
  walk on. I said, did you see my shirt? She turns back
• 44:49
  and sees the flying WV. Then she laughs and adds, Hey, my
• 44:52
  father in law's family is from Huntington, of courses, Why wouldn't I just
• 44:55
  smiled back and says, sweetie, there's always a West Virginia connection. Pretty
• 44:59
  sure she didn't understand the history with that response, But me and my family
• 45:01
  had a good laugh about them when we got back in the car, and
• 45:06
  then there was I think this is them. Yeah, so they were partying
• 45:10
  out there, beautiful day in Norman, Texter warning pregame text it's five point
• 45:16
  fifty nine pm and Oklahoma still sucks. I ventured away from the kerch of
• 45:22
  l for this one, thought you might enjoy. So they sell a beer
• 45:23
  there in Texas called Oklahoma Sucks. Chris and Austin. How did they get
• 45:30
  that license? Oh? I guess you could do that. Couldn't you do
• 45:34
  that? Did you do that with Pitt? I mean, I don't know
• 45:37
  how that doesn't get shut down? Why negative connotation you gotta use? I
• 45:44
  mean, why wouldn't the state of Oklahoma at least if it's not the university,
• 45:47
  that's pretty clear it's the university with the colors. I think you'd have
• 45:50
  a case there better attorney Hoppy, be better if it said be better,
• 45:52
  if it said Oklahoma would be better text. Hey, three guys, let's
• 45:58
  have some real talk. I admire you defending the coaches you have I truly
• 46:02
  do, but yet again we lost to a better team. It's interesting how
• 46:07
  we lose the teams that are better than us and we beat the teams who
• 46:08
  are worse. I believe we are going to finish eight and four, and
• 46:12
  even if we finish seven to five, what's the difference. Honestly, we
• 46:16
  complain when the stadium only fills up fifty thousand. It's because average sucks.
• 46:22
  When you beat UCF and BYU, it's not enough to convince fans you are
• 46:25
  relevant again. I go to every home game, and expectations have continually gone
• 46:30
  down when you allow them to. Please, let's make West Virginia football relevant
• 46:34
  again. But my most memorable years are when you beat the big dogs at
• 46:37
  their best. And that seems to be a consistent theme that folks are unhappy
• 46:45
  that you have not had wins over teams that you are not supposed to beat,
• 46:53
  even though so, how many times this year have we have three?
• 46:57
  This year? Three? This year? Three? Or six? Are three
• 47:00
  of the six? Are there six? Up until last night there were six
• 47:02
  and three seves. But I guess what they're saying is ranked beat a ranked
• 47:07
  team, beat one that just like, yeah, I understand, I get
• 47:13
  it. I mean what they're saying is beat a beat an Oklahoma signature wins,
• 47:19
  I guess is probably the best way to say that. Stat last night
• 47:22
  on Oklahoma in the Big twelve, they have more conference titles than they do
• 47:25
  home losses collect fourteen to thirteen. Ess, that's truly hard. Greg had
• 47:29
  one Friday for us on sports Line, and I'll mess this up, so
• 47:32
  don't bother texting if I have it wrong. I'm in the ballparining if something
• 47:37
  ridiculous like Westringians five and seventy six all time on the road against ranked teams,
• 47:42
  that seems maybe the five parts low, but it was. That was
• 47:45
  also a ridiculous out of balance stat. Hard to go on the road and
• 47:46
  beat ranked teams, regardless of yeah they have us here, do they have
• 47:52
  fourteen league championships and thirteen home losses in that same seven time? And so
• 47:58
  I think again, I think the majority of fans didn't expect to win.
• 48:06
  They wanted it not to be fifty nine to twenty. If you're going to
• 48:09
  lose, they probably wanted it to be thirty five, thirty something or soily
• 48:15
  or within that. I mean Oklahoma was favored by thirteen, right, thirteen
• 48:20
  and a half to well, whatever it was, So be within the margin,
• 48:22
  be within them. Look there it is. That game was wildly disappointing.
• 48:28
  I mean, no wonder and Brad you always say it's a week to
• 48:30
  week business. And last week you like high stepping because you played a team
• 48:35
  that is below average. You dominated them, You played well in all three
• 48:37
  phase. Oh okay, min looking pretty great? You do, and then
• 48:40
  now you flush us. So here's how you move forre. You flush this.
• 48:43
  You go out and you win two games over teams your favorite. Then
• 48:45
  you got you got to look good in these last two weeks, and you
• 48:46
  do. You finished with eight wins, and you have to stare, stut
• 48:50
  this team. You're not going to go from where you were to a top
• 48:52
  ten team this year. You're going to have to keep building the thing.
• 48:54
  If this team ends with seven or eight wins with a chance to go to
• 48:57
  a bowl game and win eight or nine, I don't know how you continue
• 49:00
  to complain about that unless you just want to complain about that. Now you've
• 49:04
  got to take the next step in the next couple of years, you would
• 49:06
  expect that next step, start competing for a big title. Man. I
• 49:10
  get the frustration, I really do. But also some of this just flame
• 49:15
  throwing. Every single time there's it's I mean, you gotta have some well
• 49:21
  you do, but people were Look everybody was upset p Blay last night.
• 49:23
  Jeez, right, I mean just were I mean that was yeah, I
• 49:29
  get it, and there's no and no, and then there's us. I
• 49:31
  totally get it, man, and no one's going to say stop being disappointed
• 49:35
  about that. Totally agree that. Neil Brown said he was disappointed. If
• 49:38
  you can win too and get eight and go see what you can do in
• 49:43
  a bowl game. Even if you don't win a bowl game, you were
• 49:45
  predicted by the intelligence at four and a half, that was the over undernar
• 49:50
  right, Okay, so would you like to have that win last night?
• 49:54
  Would you like to have you know, more impressive victories or exactly what we're
• 50:00
  looking for? Yet absolutely it has to come. But to this point,
• 50:06
  at this season, it's going to be Max nine and hopefully that's what happens,
• 50:13
  and you will have doubled what you were expected to do and then you
• 50:15
  go from there. I get it, Texter. Neil Brown had a great
• 50:19
  scripted first drive but couldn't adjust. I understand you guys like what he has
• 50:22
  built here, but he's just not doing enough to keep us relevant. Thanks
• 50:25
  for having us, Texter. Hello Faustians. Jeff from Marietta, Georgia,
• 50:34
  Beckley Nata, first time, long time. I'll keep this short and sweet.
• 50:37
  I've been a climb denier since twenty one. I don't deny that the
• 50:40
  team is in better condition that than it was then. I don't deny that
• 50:45
  Neil inherited a historically bear cupboard. All I'm asking is, out of sixty
• 50:51
  games that he has coached by the end of the season, what is his
• 50:53
  best win? Follow up question, as any West Virginia coach that has lasted
• 50:59
  five seasons, best win that was worse than Niels, I'll hang up and
• 51:02
  listen. Love the show. Texter. Really disappointed by the loss. I
• 51:09
  was thinking about the Mountaineer's strength of schedule during the game. I assumed it
• 51:13
  wouldn't be nearly as formidable as it was at the start of the season.
• 51:16
  However, the source I found indicated that it's the twentieth most difficult schedule as
• 51:22
  of a week ago. What does spreads on stats say about strength of schedule
• 51:25
  to this point? As far as I'm concerned, as long as West Virginia
• 51:30
  wins the next two against two of the weakest Big twelve teams, this has
• 51:34
  been a successful season overall, with just a few question marks going forwards.
• 51:37
  JD in the southern coal fields. I'll work on that. Texter Charlie from
• 51:43
  Midlothian gas stealer above pictures sow West Virginia connection at our churches rise against hunger
• 51:49
  meal packing. Saturday morning, Ken and I have had matching West Virginia shoes.
• 51:54
  Tough night guys. During the Metro News halftime grades, I was surprised
• 51:59
  no one gave the defense grade of G instead of an F. Picks of
• 52:02
  Charlie there, he's got to see him there, he is hoppy. Charlie's
• 52:06
  not the right what's a G grade? Is that lower than F, ABC
• 52:14
  D E FG low one? I incomplete? Speaking of letters, hit on
• 52:22
  Mond Meuther's center sixteen letters in his last name? Really, how'd you pronounce
• 52:27
  it? Very awkwardly consistently. Don't have a name that you just really had?
• 52:32
  That one? That one struggled the whole night did you struggle the whole
• 52:36
  night? I was hoping when they when I went up to their guy to
• 52:38
  say, hey, how do you pronounce this? They we go, we
• 52:39
  just call him k you know, they kind of but yeah, yeah,
• 52:45
  what the heck it was? I did you ask him? Yeahs their guy.
• 52:47
  It still haunts me. I still can't say it anyway. Make it
• 52:51
  make sense. How is it possible we can we can roll jeez? How
• 52:55
  is it possible that we can run a rollout concert up to perfection two weeks
• 53:00
  in a row, and yet we completely abandoned it the very next game.
• 53:05
  I don't remember Cole Taylor being targeted one time? Did I miss it?
• 53:08
  Is he invisible? He caught a touchdown? Sons, I've defended Neil just
• 53:13
  about as many times as I'm going to both this season and his career.
• 53:16
  Defense looked absolutely beleaguered against basically a former West walk On receiver. We're going
• 53:22
  to go eight and four, and I couldn't care, couldn't be less enthused.
• 53:27
  Yay Shreveport in December. We just can't keep doing this. Jordan in
• 53:30
  Vast North Carolina, Hello, three guys, help me understand why our offense
• 53:36
  was bleeding the clock in the third quarter when we're down twenty five, many
• 53:39
  snaps came with two seconds on the playclock. What kind of game plan was
• 53:43
  this? Thanks Jim and Morgantown. Well, the only thing I could think
• 53:47
  of is the fact that they wanted to keep the defense off the field,
• 53:53
  to be quite honest with you, because that wasn't going real well trying to
• 53:59
  shorten the game. Texter. I actually laughed out loud when the Oklahoma fans
• 54:05
  started chanting SEC. I can't wait to watch them be bottom dwellers in that
• 54:09
  conference for years. Two things on that they won't be bottom dwellers. They'll
• 54:14
  be upper, They'll be up there. The other thing is I was told
• 54:17
  by the Oklahoma guys that I was with. They chant SEC not because they're
• 54:23
  going to the SEC, but because they feel that the last two years they've
• 54:28
  gotten screwed on officiating calls. So really yeah, so every time there's a
• 54:32
  call that goes against them, they chant SEC saying that the Big twelve screwing
• 54:37
  them. Well, they're not screwing them enough. It'd be easier in basketball,
• 54:44
  wouldn't Would it be nice if they officials went like ejection of Dylan Gabriel
• 54:49
  for improper equipment. Can't play tonight's sun Texter. No need to overthink this
• 54:53
  one too much. Disappointed in the energy after the first drive, felt like
• 54:58
  it was OU's night after their first score. Offense forced to go one dimensional
• 55:01
  too early, Defense's ability to limit big play the Dagger got to be honest.
• 55:07
  Even with the wins the next two weeks in a decent bowl game hopefully
• 55:09
  upcoming, this season still seems a bit underwhelming. I still believe the climb
• 55:14
  and head coach Neil Brown, but I need some reass reassert I apologize for
• 55:20
  all of my reading hers in fairness to you. Yeah, it didn't sleep.
• 55:23
  You've been back and forth between time zones. You're sleep deprived. It
• 55:27
  was a bad loss. I'm gonna make an excuse for you. I appreciate
• 55:29
  that, but I need some reassurance after Saturday night. Looking forward to a
• 55:32
  bounce back against the Bearcats next week. Let's go Greg and Pittsburgh Texter.
• 55:39
  In game text, thought to consider, at what point do we all pull
• 55:43
  a hoppy causation correlation? We talk about Neil obtaining the lowest amount of pros
• 55:49
  he didn't have. What about guys, especially on defense, we've not been
• 55:52
  able to retain. Most of the featured pros for defense shown in the stadium
• 55:58
  are all Tony Gibson. Guys. Do we look at a metric like keeping
• 56:04
  the current defensive coordinator. We've given up five hundred and fifty yards of offense
• 56:07
  at the end of the third quarter. Our transfer portal adherents, our mid
• 56:13
  major group of five players, guys we wouldn't have offered originally coming out of
• 56:16
  high school. I can trust the climb, but the defense has got to
• 56:21
  go. Allen and Morgantown Texter. With Green at fifty percent for the season,
• 56:25
  they've got to hit the portal next year. You simply can't win at
• 56:29
  this level, missing so many throws, too many drive killers, and what's
• 56:34
  up with Rodney Gallagher. My man gets more cardio than Olivia Newton John and
• 56:38
  we still don't know if he can play Chris from Cross Lanes. Like I
• 56:45
  said when I started these texts, I'm giving you, I mean, I'm
• 56:49
  giving you the general theme. So if yours didn't get red, probably touching
• 56:53
  on a lot of this. Texter lots to talk about how difficult the schedule
• 56:58
  was this year, but it didn't add up. We only have one win
• 57:00
  against a team with a winning record, and we've only played three that have
• 57:04
  a winning record currently. Oklahoma's a good team. Not the end of the
• 57:07
  world to lose, but the way it happened embarrassing. Not a great way
• 57:10
  for the last ever game at ou Texter. The game just ended very disappointing
• 57:16
  for everyone not named CJ or Beanie. However, it's not the time to
• 57:21
  start the fire everyone. Chance We've got a home game against three and seven
• 57:24
  Sincy, a game in Waco against a team that has quit. With that
• 57:29
  said, it seems like our safeties are constantly out of position, getting toasted
• 57:31
  every time by a semi competent passing attack the last two years. Do you
• 57:37
  think that it's a scheme issue or talent issue? Again, Steve Dunlapp did
• 57:43
  question the defense being out of position in question scheme and tactics last night.
• 57:51
  Again, I don't have the skill set to do that, but Dunlap was
• 57:53
  beside himself last night. The players have to own some of that too.
• 57:58
  What's that players have to own some absolutely absolutely. What you don't know is
• 58:01
  if they've been told a million times, don't let breaks drake stoops come down
• 58:05
  and break the inside, and you still don't let him break the inside,
• 58:07
  right, I mean, I can't imagine that staff's over there saying I don't
• 58:09
  know how to defend Drake Stoops. So at some point, as we said
• 58:13
  a million times, you can scream about the coaches all you want, fine,
• 58:15
  at some point, guys have to play. Guys have to make plays.
• 58:20
  If you don't want Drake Stoops to get inside, you then get inside
• 58:22
  of him and make him go somewhere else. Yeah, which is I mean,
• 58:25
  LA has to get inside and make him go somewhere else. At some
• 58:29
  point up front, you can't let that Oklahoma line keep whipping your ass.
• 58:32
  You got to make a play at some point you just simply do. I
• 58:37
  mean, the whole thing about the receiver breaking to the inside and being on
• 58:42
  the wrong shoulder is I mean, that's according to done Lap, that's just
• 58:45
  fundamental. Right. That's like week one, So you're right, you would
• 58:49
  think that that coaches coach that up and the guy's got to make a play.
• 58:52
  The other thing is that boy, these two now, these next two
• 58:54
  games do loom very large. I know you're going to be favored in both
• 58:58
  of them, and maybe Baylor is quit Cincinnati is they got to win against
• 59:02
  Houston, but I mean Cincinnati is. You know they got issues, so
• 59:06
  you got you gotta finish here, you gotta finish Strow. I gotta win
• 59:09
  these next two and again Cincinnati's second straight road game. Although the travel,
• 59:14
  I mean it's not like BYU's was, but they were at Houston. Now
• 59:16
  they got to come to Morgantine. Yeah, you better get it turned around.
• 59:22
  Steve from Vegas Long Tech, so I abbreviated it. I get his
• 59:25
  point. This is not a heater, just the facts. Past five seasons
• 59:30
  have shown that Neil's history of being a great group of five coach occasionally beats
• 59:34
  a power five with a winning record has carried over to his power five record.
• 59:37
  I know that Hoppey said that Gordon Gee and Ren Baker like Brown,
• 59:40
  but I'm hoping that they put aside their personal feelings and look at the facts.
• 59:45
  West Virginia is in the proverbial rabbit hole, with each year under Brown
• 59:49
  sinking deeper. If West Virginia had played Texas, Kansas, k State,
• 59:53
  and Iowa State this year, they'd have a losing record again. Time to
• 59:58
  find a coach who can turn around like Kansas Louisville, etc. Thank you,
• 1:00:04
  Texter Garrett in Alaska. The only thing that needs to be said about
• 1:00:08
  the game is flush it move on, No spreads on stats, no textual
• 1:00:12
  healing, shortest episode in history and other news. How about the domination of
• 1:00:16
  pitt this year baseball sweep, women's basketball, football, last thing beat Marshall
• 1:00:21
  and soccer Texter Dave in the Poconos. I can't wait to hear what you
• 1:00:27
  clowns come up with to defend Neil Brown again. Year five. Still haven't
• 1:00:30
  beaten a ranked Still haven't been ranked a single week, haven't beaten a team
• 1:00:35
  with a winning record, completely embarrassing loss. Be sure, but sure WV
• 1:00:38
  fans are unreasonable in our expectations. Dave and the Poconos Texter. The thirty
• 1:00:47
  nine point beatdown was our first football game in Norman. I've been to all
• 1:00:51
  of the pre twenty twenty three Big twelve venues, and I have to admit
• 1:00:55
  that the pregame extravaganza at Oklahoma's by far the most awe inspired spectacle I've ever
• 1:01:00
  seen. Fireworks, hype videos, light show, team entrance, their marching
• 1:01:06
  band even played our fight song to welcome us. And even though we are
• 1:01:09
  hardly a rival of theirs. There wasn't an empty seat and those fans were
• 1:01:13
  passionate and vocal like I've never experienced at Aims, Still Water, Austin or
• 1:01:16
  somewhere else. I of course, was the best dressed person in attendance there
• 1:01:22
  he is Joe mock. Well, see that Brady has three guys shirt on
• 1:01:27
  in the in the stadium. There's great. You know, Tony Show.
• 1:01:32
  I am not going to miss getting boat raced in Norman, but I am
• 1:01:37
  going to miss having games of significance against against a national power with that kind
• 1:01:44
  of fan turnout. I mean, that's just that takes it to another level.
• 1:01:49
  I mean, you looked last night where Cincinnati's playing at Houston. I
• 1:01:52
  mean, nobody's there. You look at Central UCF, and you know,
• 1:01:55
  I think they're gonna be I think they're gonna be a ultimately a tough out
• 1:02:00
  in this league. And I know the weather was bad, but there's not
• 1:02:04
  people there. So it's just rad I'm gonna miss that. They'll comment next.
• 1:02:12
  I think Brad's kind of saying like, just give me a w W.
• 1:02:15
  John from Oklahoma City. I feel like Charlie Brown. I let Lucy
• 1:02:21
  or Oklahoma sucker me again with false hope that we could burn those wagon wheels
• 1:02:24
  on the prairie one time before they run off. So I get tickets and
• 1:02:28
  I go, and this happens. Jenny sec is a dangerous thing. Be
• 1:02:31
  careful what you wish for, Texter Ouch. Sometimes you get beat, sometimes
• 1:02:39
  you get embarrassed. This was unfortunately the latter. I love WVU, but
• 1:02:45
  even I had to watch something else after a while. Just a painful weekend
• 1:02:49
  for DOUBVU football and basketball. I did bet ou minus twelve, so I
• 1:02:52
  guess there is that. My hope is that they are big mad and Cincinnati
• 1:02:58
  runs into a buzzsaw next week. Mountaineer Field they were ready to go after
• 1:03:01
  losing a Houston game, so let's hope they're ready after this one. Signed
• 1:03:05
  by a professor Vinnie Well. I think the staff has done a good job
• 1:03:07
  of getting his team ready to play week to week except four yesterday. So
• 1:03:15
  and you know, Neil Brown said, and again I always appreciate his candor.
• 1:03:19
  He said they practiced well. He thought they were ready to go.
• 1:03:22
  And I mean, if anybody has a you don't know, but you would
• 1:03:24
  think he has a pretty good read on it. And it just just wasn't.
• 1:03:28
  I think that's that's why he was so clear in being upset, because
• 1:03:35
  the practices everything was good, were good, were locked in, and then
• 1:03:37
  they go out there and they yeah, uh, Texter, guys, it's
• 1:03:44
  tough sports weekend. My son's team was upset in the first round of the
• 1:03:46
  Oklahoma High school football playoffs. Basketball team takes a quad four loss. Football
• 1:03:52
  team gave up approximately six thousand yards. In fact, it was just reported
• 1:03:57
  that Drake Stoops still catching wide open slants. There was plenty of hurt and
• 1:04:00
  frustration yesterday, but what hurt most was the oh, bless your heart looks
• 1:04:04
  I got from all of my Oklahoma friends. Yes, look, I totally
• 1:04:09
  get the clamoring for the new coach, because there's a ton of frustration that
• 1:04:13
  we haven't been ranked even one week under Neil, and last night, like
• 1:04:16
  numerous other occasions, we didn't even compete. But the more I look out
• 1:04:19
  at the college football landscape, I realized there are a lot of frustrated fan
• 1:04:24
  bases, many of them who used to be considered blue bloods. Many of
• 1:04:28
  these programs of fired coaches only to be more frustrated with their new coach.
• 1:04:32
  Like Neil, I'm pissed, but he also thank you guys, Thank you
• 1:04:38
  guys for helping irrational fans like myself get a little perspective. On to eight
• 1:04:43
  and four. That's Matt in Tulsa, Randy from State College, feeling sorry
• 1:04:49
  like most in mounts in your nation this Sunday morning. So he wrote a
• 1:04:54
  song to the tune of Lionel Ritchie's easy knows this AI or is this?
• 1:05:00
  It's real? No, it sounds funny, but I just can't stand the
• 1:05:02
  pain. Neil, I'm filled again with sorrow, seems to me, Neil,
• 1:05:06
  you haven't done all you can. Perhaps I feel a little better tomorrow.
• 1:05:11
  Yeah, Oh, that's why I'm queezy. I'm queasy on Sunday morning.
• 1:05:15
  That's why I'm queasy. I'm queasy on Sunday morning. Any who else
• 1:05:19
  is squeezy this morning? Is that Jimbo Fisher? He's queezy. Actually,
• 1:05:26
  he's probably not queasy. He's probably that's true. Those who are going to
• 1:05:29
  pay him seventy five million dollars to not come to work, to not come
• 1:05:30
  to work seventy five million. I mean, we don't have time to go
• 1:05:33
  off on an issue, but you you won't worry about paying the quarterback some
• 1:05:38
  money seventy six million to not come into work after you've already paid him twenty
• 1:05:43
  five million. Yeah, that's crazy, that's crazy. That's that's the word
• 1:05:47
  that comes to mind for me is and look, I'm a capitalist, but
• 1:05:51
  that's obscene. It's probably irresponsible because the part of that. I don't know
• 1:05:57
  how the ad keeps his job is that the guy that's sign him didn't No,
• 1:06:00
  that's the guy that brought him in. Uh no, didn't he Woodward
• 1:06:03
  le went. I think you're right, Yeah he did. That is right.
• 1:06:06
  He high stepped. That's the other problem. Come in and drop that
• 1:06:10
  contract in the reports. I haven't dug a news contract, but the reports
• 1:06:13
  say there's no offset language in that. That's a stunner. No offset language
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  means if he goes makes twenty five million somewhere else, they don't have to
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  give him that twenty five million. But there's no offset in this. He
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  can go make he's he can go get another job for twenty and he gets
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  twenty plus the seventy four dollar or somewhere for a dollar if he wants or
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  not. Coach and taking seventy five just ho about a irresponsible contract? Does
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  that deal? I mean seriously, I mean, don't you Maybe we operate
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  under the assumption these are really bright people who understand and understand business and how
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  to make deals. I mean, who makes that deal? So that is
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  fiduciarily irresponsible, irresponsible, one hundred percent responsible contracts. It's irresponsible. Good
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  for Jimbo and his agent for absolutely, Jimmy's school in them. I mean,
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  my gosh, you talk out a school job. So what they do
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  is this, This is what they do. It's all based upon emotion.
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  You say, how do they approve these numbers? It's all based upon emotion.
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  And Texas A and M has a big feel about them, and they
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  felt they weren't winning enough games, so they said, we'll do whatever it
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  takes to win because that's the most important thing. So Jimbo has a national
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  championship under his belt at Florida State. Jimmy Sexton, who's the agent of
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  all the big time coaches, Nick Saban, the whole deal. He goes
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  in there and just absolutely crushes them, and they go, yeah, we'll
• 1:07:33
  do that because all we want to do is win. And his record isn't
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  as good as Kevin some right, and they just go So this becomes those
• 1:07:42
  case studies in future thirty for thirties on ESPN where they say, how did
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  this thing get so bizarre and crazy and out of whack. They'll go like,
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  here's an example, Texas A and M once did this, and people
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  go, no, yeah, I've said it all along. As this sport
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  has become professional, the agents who were professional agents came in early and they
• 1:08:05
  absolutely just destroyed athletic directors who were not ready to handle it, and schools
• 1:08:11
  and board of governors who weren't ready to handle this world, and they destroy
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  them. In these contracts. A lot of times you get you get worried
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  that the fan base is going to go bananas on you as the person doing
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  the hiring because you didn't get the guy you were supposed to get. You
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  know, you don't see that in the NFL. Very often. NFL guys
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  make bad hires too and give ridiculous contracts. But this this clamoring to have
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  to get somebody that you're just you're not sure about, has gone on to
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  an unbelievable level, and that's allowed those agents to have leverage. If mel
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  talker, yeah, yeah, right, that's another but he was already employed
• 1:08:45
  and you gave him all the money. I mean, it's just it's just
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  outrageous how this is how this has happened. And and that's those dot Well
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  obviously they got a ton of money, but also that's seventy five, seventy
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  six, whatever it is those are I think even donors must have some limits.
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  That's also money that doesn't go to the labor. The other thing is
• 1:09:08
  it speaks to how difficult it is. This is part of the discussion about
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  everybody just wants to change coaches, change it us. It speaks to how
• 1:09:14
  difficult it is to find one coach and one staff that changes your entire fortunes
• 1:09:20
  overnight. Are there examples? Sure there are. This is a guy in
• 1:09:24
  Jimbo Fisher that had a national championship. That's part of why they gave him
• 1:09:27
  ninety fee five million dollars guaranteed. Now five years later they're over it and
• 1:09:30
  they're moving on. It's hard. I saw a respected national writer today start
• 1:09:34
  to put names out as they do for potential replacements. Cliff Kingsbury made the
• 1:09:39
  list for a national guy that's as connected as everybody and knows everything that's happening
• 1:09:44
  supposedly, and you put Cliff Kingsbury on the list of replacements? Are you
• 1:09:46
  euphreaging kidding me? Not even all due respect? Not even all due respect
• 1:09:50
  man, How you put Cliff Kingsbury? And I know that's a writer's list,
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  and is it necessarily a list? Are you kidding me? That speaks
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  to this business kind of crazy? Isn't kind of crazy? Man? Jim's
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  getting seventy five million to not come into work. Yeah, three guys before
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  the game is brought to us by lou Wendell. Marine sales seventy five million.
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  Lou Wendel currently has an unbelievable one hundred and fifty to not come in
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  But when you do go to lou Wendel, if you're in interested,
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  tell me you're a three guys listener happy you were saying, Oh no,
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  I'm just again. Like Brad said, I mean it also speaks to I'm
• 1:11:10
  a firm believer in every change is an opportunity, is an opportunity to improve.
• 1:11:14
  I believe that as a philosophy, but it doesn't mean you will.
• 1:11:18
  And there are countless examples across the sports spectrum of how a change did not
• 1:11:23
  improve. And also that coach's fortunes are directly linked to the quality of players
• 1:11:30
  that you have. And I think there's very in this in this profession,
• 1:11:35
  you know, like Tony It it's like any profession. There are really very
• 1:11:40
  few people who are elite. I mean by elite, I mean in the
• 1:11:45
  top one percent. There's a one percent for a reason, and there aren't
• 1:11:48
  that many. There just aren't because that's the bell curve of life. The
• 1:11:55
  Bell curve of life applies to coaching as well. I mean, how many
• 1:11:58
  elite, how many truly elite, brilliant, genius coaches are there who can
• 1:12:01
  draw up things and do everything you have to do now as a head coach
• 1:12:05
  and be wildly successful and be good with the fans and get all the players.
• 1:12:10
  I mean, it's less than ten, fewer than ten. Ten.
• 1:12:14
  There might be one right now. Yeah, I was going to say,
• 1:12:15
  like, way, maybe two, Kirby Smart's winning at that level with some
• 1:12:18
  other things that maybe two right now, there might be two? Who else?
• 1:12:23
  Who else is it? And what do they have behind them? They
• 1:12:27
  got money? But I mean but Texas A and m has money. Yeah,
• 1:12:30
  Michigan State's got money, you know. So yeah, I don't.
• 1:12:38
  I don't think that's and I don't think my intent is not to make excuses
• 1:12:41
  for Neil Brown, even though I do want him to succeed and I want
• 1:12:44
  him to remain the head coach at W I do on record on that.
• 1:12:48
  It's just that that it is. Well, it's it's also very hard to
• 1:12:54
  start over. I mean when you start over now within Il, when with
• 1:13:00
  the transfer, when you start over, you don't start from where you were,
• 1:13:03
  Okay, you start by going back you stay. Yeah, and just
• 1:13:10
  to your what your point is is saying, like everyone says, well,
• 1:13:13
  just go to the portal and get more players. If you make a coaching
• 1:13:15
  change, you lose a lot of players. Those those players can all take
• 1:13:17
  off because you just changed your coach. I mean, do you find free
• 1:13:23
  highway right? I would rather I would rather double down on Neil Brown and
• 1:13:28
  Brad as you've mentioned a million times, get your nil money and get that
• 1:13:32
  thing together, get that fax, get in order, put some money in
• 1:13:35
  there, and move forward. You'll keep the guys that you had that have
• 1:13:39
  produced and then go find some more. Move forward, keep doing what you're
• 1:13:41
  doing. It always comes down to the acronym M B P. You need
• 1:13:46
  more better players, plain and simple. You need to have more better players.
• 1:13:51
  How's the best way to go? Get more better players? That's the
• 1:13:55
  decision that ultimately, yeah, and I think so if you want to miss
• 1:13:58
  that down to this team, I think this team has I think this roster
• 1:14:00
  has more better players. Are you where you ultimately want to go? Of
• 1:14:04
  course not, But that's a process there. And we've mentioned that there's whatever.
• 1:14:08
  There is six or seven freshmen or red shirt freshmen that have really made
• 1:14:11
  an impact this year. So I think you do have more better players.
• 1:14:15
  I think you have done a better job in the portal with a Beanie Bishop,
• 1:14:18
  a Moba Durajia, a Lockhart that's performing. I think you have had
• 1:14:21
  some hits that are coming to fruition in the transfer portal. So keep those
• 1:14:27
  guys. And part of keeping those guys means you better find that money.
• 1:14:30
  You've got to go out and get the money to retain because I will continue
• 1:14:33
  to say that part of what has put this program behind where it probably would
• 1:14:38
  be in its development is the retention of the guys. You have brought pros
• 1:14:43
  in and had them in your uniform playing for you, and a lot of
• 1:14:45
  them have left. And some of that's money related, some of that's fluky,
• 1:14:49
  but that some of that's been directed things that probably don't come back up
• 1:14:54
  again in your lifetime. You've got to keep the players, and now you
• 1:14:57
  can do that with dollars. So go get the dollars and retain this roster
• 1:15:02
  and keep building. Three guys brought to us by the good folks at Gomart.
• 1:15:09
  Saw the president of Gomart at the game yesterday in Norman and told him
• 1:15:15
  was very excited about Tuesday and Saturday triple points. He said he was happy
• 1:15:20
  that I was happy. Go get a card, he said, I said,
• 1:15:23
  I got a card. Did he travel with any slim gems or receas
• 1:15:26
  or anything like that? Wasn't holding didn't he wasn't packing that I knew of.
• 1:15:30
  I know he might have beef jerky or something in his road trip,
• 1:15:32
  probably in the States, got in his car, I would think, but
• 1:15:35
  probably just not on the plane. Yes, yeah, correct Texter. Last
• 1:15:40
  episode I texted critical of Neil Brown and was in turn criticized by the Senator
• 1:15:44
  for the timing of my criticism. Well, Senator, last night was why
• 1:15:47
  you need to hear some critical comments when you thought everything was all great.
• 1:15:51
  We all know what's coming next. We have a large enough sample size,
• 1:15:55
  and all three of you know it. Neil's coaching tenure best described as milk
• 1:15:59
  toast on the big fan of all of you. I'm old enough to remember
• 1:16:01
  when Hoppy questioned if not when in regards to Dana ever being able to compete
• 1:16:06
  for a Big twelve title. Well, Hoppy, I know you'll never ask
• 1:16:11
  that question about Neil because he's a nice guy and Dana wasn't or something like
• 1:16:14
  that. Oh, well, on to next week. Who's that from No
• 1:16:20
  Name, so criticize after a thirty seven to seven win the criticized after night.
• 1:16:26
  That was my point, Try and enjoy the wins. Those of you
• 1:16:29
  that are just so bummed out after wins and you start questioning, I just
• 1:16:32
  I don't get it. You want to send a critical email after last night?
• 1:16:35
  Totally good understood morning fellas Dougie Fresher from Murle's Inlet, South Carolina,
• 1:16:43
  I want to talk something positive. Taking my daughter to her first Steeler game
• 1:16:46
  today. We decided to combo it with a Pens game and a victory last
• 1:16:50
  night. But by good luck, we noticed West Virginia's women's team playing at
• 1:16:55
  Pitts, so we took that game in two. Oh yeah, there's Meg
• 1:16:58
  Balger. She was at the game with Dougie Fresh's daughter Mark Kellogg. Is
• 1:17:02
  excellent. These ladies are very well coached. Ran you did a good you
• 1:17:05
  did well. The future is bright for women's hoops. Several pictures there,
• 1:17:09
  so they're there at the Pens game, and then I think there's a cold
• 1:17:12
  glass of beer coming up next, and then the sign here to close things
• 1:17:17
  off. Thumbs down on pitt is that legos. It looks like it has
• 1:17:24
  a lego effect on that. Yeah, Texas a football school. He means
• 1:17:29
  soccer. I'm very excited to watch our soon to be world champ Mountaineers on
• 1:17:31
  Brad's favorite viewing medium today, ESPN Plus. After that, I'm looking forward
• 1:17:35
  to picking up my mob Faustian Bargain shirt and Hoppy hanky episode eight hundred store
• 1:17:41
  when I begin holiday shopping. Sign by Ben in Chicago once again. The
• 1:17:45
  store is opening November sixteenth, this Thursday or holiday release. Do you have
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  a Faustian Bargain shirt? I don't know. I don't think that'll go as
• 1:17:56
  well as thanks for having us, Thanks for having us, I mean,
• 1:17:59
  but the thing has got a gold traction. Oh yeah, it has.
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  Three guys. The over under for the Rutgers Iowa game was a historical low
• 1:18:05
  twenty seven and a half. Curious of Hoppy or Brad took the under.
• 1:18:10
  Final score was twenty two to nothing Rutger Luke Rowsey hit it, luked it
• 1:18:14
  or twenty or nothing Iowa bell Ring Hoppy hoping for a strong finish with the
• 1:18:18
  Mountaineers. I love this clown show. Three guys, Gi doct so Luke
• 1:18:20
  hit it, Luke hit it? You didn't do anything with the Brad No
• 1:18:24
  three nothing at the half live total of sixteen and a half, could have
• 1:18:27
  gone, could have gone under the pregame total and hit that live total sixteen
• 1:18:30
  and a half over and hit both ways. Now that I did. I
• 1:18:33
  took the one under and hit with Iowa, which was just like Mike drop,
• 1:18:39
  I'm done now every time Iowa plays and the over under is like,
• 1:18:43
  you know, twenty seven, Hey, hop you in? You in on
• 1:18:45
  this? Well, man, I'm out you are? You know what you
• 1:18:48
  should do is become a niche better strictly on Iowa, like you should be
• 1:18:54
  all Iowa all the time on whatever they're into. So that oc gets fired,
• 1:18:58
  right, Brad, They're not gonna image. They already anounced it.
• 1:19:00
  They already did announced it will not be retained. He didn't get the twenty
• 1:19:03
  seven points per yes, I said, just down the show. It almost
• 1:19:05
  feels as if Kirk Ferrance after they moved his son Brian is really really watch
• 1:19:11
  this, watch how we're gonna win? Now, three nothing at the half
• 1:19:14
  and ruts Braancy arise last night that that if I was offense, just just
• 1:19:21
  don't play offense. Don't play just punt and I don't even think they're going
• 1:19:25
  out there. Rutgers gets shut out the punt on third down. Congratulations for
• 1:19:30
  Rutgers. They still collect that ninety million this year for putting up zero.
• 1:19:33
  At least we can end with a laugh between the tiers. Three guys before
• 1:19:39
  the game returns on Thursday, will preview West Virginia and Cincinnati will also have
• 1:19:43
  another Mountaineer basketball game completed by them. We'll also have the Mountaineer soccer Jacksonville
• 1:19:48
  State, the fighting Rich Rodriguez's Oh, come in. Not sure if Rich
• 1:19:53
  will be in for the game or not. They probably not. Probably he
• 1:19:56
  was off this week. This would have been the week he was off last
• 1:19:59
  week. That would have been perfect, wouldn't it. Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:20:01
  Jacksonville State Tuesday. Yeah, I need to still get tickets for that for
• 1:20:06
  coach Spikers. Yeah, we got you. Take care of you, three
• 1:20:11
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  Rousey. We return Thursday. Stay well, be good, and God bless Rutgers.