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The Addams Family (1991) with Dani Fernandez and Ify Nwadiwe · The Bechdel Cast

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Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have
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Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and
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Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in
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Speaker 1: welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Toronte
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Speaker 1: is Jamie Loftez and oh oh no please, and we
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Speaker 1: by Alison Bechtel, sometimes called the Bechdel Wallace test, that
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Speaker 1: requires a piece of media have two female identified characters
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Speaker 1: with names talking to each other about something other than
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Speaker 1: a man for more than two lines of dialogue. Wow,
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Speaker 1: should we test it out? Let's do it? Okay, Hey Jamie,
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Speaker 1: Hey Caitlin. Did you know that I regularly misused the
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Speaker 1: it passes cool? So to get down to damn business,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about representation of women in scary families. Scary
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Speaker 1: families specifically the Adams family. So today we're covering the
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Speaker 1: film from ninety one. We have guests multiple plural. They've
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Speaker 1: both been on the podcast before separately, but they're here
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Speaker 1: together because they're the co host of Nerdificent. It's Danny
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Speaker 1: Fernandez and Iffy way Way Hi four told Crossover it
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Speaker 1: finally finally welcome during spooktober yah, Um, what are you
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Speaker 1: guys history with this franchise? Danny start, Oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed. I tweet about more Titia and Gomez more
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Speaker 1: than any normal person should. I also have a bunch
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Speaker 1: of artwork of them in my apartment, so I have
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Speaker 1: like above my bed I had forever. I moved it,
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Speaker 1: but it was a picture of Gomez like swooping, swooping.
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Speaker 1: What does a dance move? Where they're there? Thank you, Iffy.
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Speaker 1: He's swooping, he's dipping more Titia and has like his
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Speaker 1: face like in her neck, and I'm like, I don't
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Speaker 1: want any guy in this bed that isn't doing that.
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Speaker 1: So that's like representation, uh huh. And then like right
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Speaker 1: when you walk into my place, I have a picture
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Speaker 1: of him like kissing her hand. So yeah, I'm obsessed
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Speaker 1: with them, and that is their goals. They are goals, right, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: terrific if he what about you? Yeah, yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: watched Adams Family like everyone else, you know, I thought
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Speaker 1: it was a good franchise, fun show. The cartoon was fun.
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Speaker 1: I think now my relationship with you know, the Adams
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Speaker 1: Family is every woman I have a crush on looks
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Speaker 1: like more tissue or Wednesday, any variation of the two.
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Speaker 1: Just getting into that beautiful Jamie. What about your time
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Speaker 1: of year? I'm like a long time fan. We had
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Speaker 1: we had a book of the comics at my house.
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Speaker 1: I don't know who it belonged to, but like the
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Speaker 1: comics in the illustration style of Charles Adams. I really
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Speaker 1: really really loved when I was younger. I weirdly, I
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Speaker 1: think I've only seen this movie one time before or
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Speaker 1: but I remember they used to show like repeats of
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Speaker 1: the TV show on TV Land, and I was deep
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Speaker 1: into that deeply unfunny television show. Loved it, loved loved,
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Speaker 1: loved lie lovel laugh track. I live for it. But
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Speaker 1: this is my first time seeing the movie in I mean,
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Speaker 1: at least a decade, and it was so lovely to revisit.
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Speaker 1: What's your history with the Adam family. Well, this might
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Speaker 1: be a wild thing for me to admit, but I
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Speaker 1: had never seen this movie nor its sequel, Adam's Family Values. Um.
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Speaker 1: But like, I'm familiar with all of the characters, Like
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Speaker 1: I knew about more Tisha, I knew about Wednesday, I
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Speaker 1: knew about Cousin. It like all the whole the hand
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Speaker 1: they've infiltrated our cultural zeit, guys, it is like a
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Speaker 1: cultural osmosis kind of thing. Yeah, but I was watching
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Speaker 1: and I was like, and I thought I had seen it,
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Speaker 1: but I was like, wait a minute, I've never seen
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Speaker 1: this movie, but it was a delight Uh, and we're
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Speaker 1: focusing on the first one from nine one, but you know,
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Speaker 1: if if anyone has any thoughts on the sequel, uh
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Speaker 1: by all means share them. It's so funny because I
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Speaker 1: always forget Go Maz is rawl Julia because I always
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Speaker 1: remember all Julia as Imbison from the street Fighter movie,
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Speaker 1: the fact that that was his last film that he's
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Speaker 1: done in his life and it's dedicated to him at
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Speaker 1: the end, and so you know, I listened to the
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Speaker 1: credits and that's all I think of when I was like, no,
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Speaker 1: he that was a way better performance as him as
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Speaker 1: Go Maz, But for some reason, I just see him.
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Speaker 1: That was Tuesday for me. I was gonna say the
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Speaker 1: original Gomez was also John Aston, who Sean Aston's dad, Right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I love us. I love an acting dynasty. Scary, it
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Speaker 1: makes me mad, but I like it allow it. I
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Speaker 1: wanted to point out two things just about values out
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Speaker 1: of family values, because we're just focusing on the first one.
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Speaker 1: I do love that both of the movies had a
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Speaker 1: female villain. I love that. And then Pubert, their son,
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Speaker 1: who's like a tiny Gomez, is actually a girl. They're
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Speaker 1: too twin girls with just like they put little baby
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Speaker 1: mustaches on. Yeah, so technically they passed the back toel
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Speaker 1: test just with the true with their cooing to each other. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That's uh, you know what, babies
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Speaker 1: are so androgynous. It turns out, um, should I just
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Speaker 1: dive into the weekend of geting up a picture of
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Speaker 1: Pubert and Pubert? Wow? Wow, I kind to see the
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Speaker 1: second one. I also read that the second one is
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Speaker 1: supposed to be like the better movie, but it just well,
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Speaker 1: that's not the one. It was funny because going into it,
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Speaker 1: I was thinking I was watching the second, but I
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Speaker 1: was like, oh no, the first one is different because
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh wait, this is a fake fester
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Speaker 1: fake fester alert. Yeah, the second one was slapped super
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Speaker 1: hard because yeah, the camps scene and Wednesday appropriating Native
7:03
Speaker 1: American culture was super hot back in the day. But
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Speaker 1: then also like making a statement we shouldn't like colonizers
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have done that to indigenous people, just like a
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Speaker 1: woke white woman with dreads. You know. I was like,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what to do with you.
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Speaker 1: Also like who are their parents? That one of them
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Speaker 1: is Latino and the other is white. You know, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: what is this family, like you know, Gomez, and then
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Speaker 1: there's Fester and I'm like, clearly adopted someone at what
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Speaker 1: is happening here? Okay Latin x icon. Yes, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to dive into the recap and then we'll go from there. Okay.
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Speaker 1: So we meet this cookie spooky family, the Adams family.
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Speaker 1: The patriarch, if you will, is Gomez Adams. His wife.
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Speaker 1: His wife is more Titia. Um, that's Angelica Houston. Of course.
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Speaker 1: Her mother is grand played by Judith Malina, not to
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Speaker 1: be confused with Alfred. Although he's a chameleon, could have
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Speaker 1: played the role. He could have played literally any character
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Speaker 1: in this film. He would have actually been a great
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Speaker 1: fake Fester yeah. Um. And then there are two children,
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Speaker 1: Wednesday Adams Christina Riccie of course and Pugsley. There's a
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Speaker 1: detached hand called thing that lives with them. He's their pet,
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure or who knows, kind of like a butler.
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Speaker 1: But then they also have a butler urch sometimes you
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Speaker 1: need two butlers, uh. And they all live together in
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Speaker 1: this huge, creepy house and they love anything that's dark
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Speaker 1: and morbid. So years ago Gomez lost his brother Fester,
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Speaker 1: and every year the family has done a seans to
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Speaker 1: try to bring him back. Meanwhile, the Adams family lawyer
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Speaker 1: Tully Alfred played by and Hidea Uh and his wife,
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Speaker 1: his wife Margaret, they're financially desperate and they're trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out a way to get some of the Adams
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Speaker 1: family fortune because they are inexplicably very wealthy. Well, I
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Speaker 1: like how the story is like, we don't need to
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Speaker 1: explain why because none of them have jobs, and they
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Speaker 1: go out of the way to remind you that none
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Speaker 1: of them have jobs. You're just like, they're just an
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Speaker 1: independently wealthy, scary family. Yes, So one of Tully's clients,
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Speaker 1: Mrs Craven, pays them a visit to collect a debt
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Speaker 1: that Tully owes her and Mrs Craven's son, Gordon Christopher Lloyd,
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Speaker 1: looks a lot like a photo of the long lost
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Speaker 1: Fester Adams, so they decide to have Gordon pretend to
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Speaker 1: be Fester as a way to try to get the
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Speaker 1: Adam's money. Quick question, is Mrs Craven, that's murder? She wrote, right, No,
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Speaker 1: isn't murder, she wrote, Angela Landsberg. Then no, that's not her?
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Speaker 1: Was that your runner? Way? We're not about way? Of
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Speaker 1: asking if it was Angela Murder, she wrote, I just
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Speaker 1: forget her name, but now I know it's Angela Wynne.
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Speaker 1: There it is Mrs Potts, And we'll always say Festers missing.
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Speaker 1: He's like literally missing right there. He's not He's in
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Speaker 1: the Bermuda triangle it. They're saying, right, yeah, yeah, we're
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Speaker 1: talking Fester. I do have to take one quick second
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Speaker 1: for us to put some respect on the game where
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Speaker 1: you held the two metal things that would vibrate super
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Speaker 1: hard and then smoke would come out of his mouth dusters.
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Speaker 1: It scared me for so long as a child because
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Speaker 1: I thought it was really electrocuting you. It was like,
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Speaker 1: I don't think I can handle all those volts. Um.
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Speaker 1: So the family does their annual sciance and Gordon as Fester,
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Speaker 1: shows up pretending to have been summoned by the Sands,
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Speaker 1: along with Mrs Craven, who was pretending to be a
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Speaker 1: German psychologist who is like helping esther. By the way,
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Speaker 1: that's a hat on the hat. She didn't have to
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Speaker 1: do that. She just wanted to, like, I want to
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Speaker 1: do some sneaking around too. She's like, I took an
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Speaker 1: improv class. It's like I gotta get some use out
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Speaker 1: of this improv increases the likelihood of them getting caught
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Speaker 1: by a lot, right. I might even go as far
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Speaker 1: to say the reason they were suspicious was because she
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Speaker 1: was there. She's like, why has practiced this German accent?
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Speaker 1: I have to use itsically trained. So then fake Fester
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Speaker 1: settles into the Adams house, but tells the family that
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Speaker 1: he can only stay for a week because he has
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Speaker 1: to get back to the Bermuda Triangle Wednesday. Adams is
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Speaker 1: suspicious of him immediately, but everyone else, especially Gomez, is
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Speaker 1: like delighted to see him, and he asks Fester for
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Speaker 1: forgiveness for betraying him in their past, because there's this
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Speaker 1: whole thing where Gomez wooed these twins Flora and Fauna
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Speaker 1: because he was just super jealous of Fester's charm. But
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Speaker 1: Fester can't seem to remember anything from their childhood, like
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Speaker 1: the secret password or the combination to the vault, or
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Speaker 1: how to remove this like finger trap thing. So now
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Speaker 1: Gomez suspects this man to be an impostor and gets
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Speaker 1: very upset, and he's crashing his model trains together. I
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Speaker 1: love the model trained. That's like a carryover from the
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Speaker 1: TV series too. He's just a yeah, trains guy and
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Speaker 1: also the guy that's in it that looks out and
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Speaker 1: that's the director. Um. So Fake Fester knows that they
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Speaker 1: are onto him, but he still hasn't found the family fortune.
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Speaker 1: And then his mom, Mrs Craven, who's pretending to be
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Speaker 1: the doctor, shows up and convinces Gomez that he's experiencing displacement,
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Speaker 1: which is why he's angry and thinks Festers a fraud
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Speaker 1: and everyone believes her. So Gomez once again is like,
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Speaker 1: is convinced that Fester, this guy is his real brother.
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Speaker 1: How are they so rich for the fact that they
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Speaker 1: can get duped so easily? Right, duped and undooped just
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Speaker 1: as all, Yeah he's got Gomez is just an impressionable guy.
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Speaker 1: He wants to believe the best. It's true, Yeah, it's true. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 1: Fake Fester is bonding with the children Wednesday and Pugsley,
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Speaker 1: and he helps them with their performance at the school
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Speaker 1: play and everyone is excited about Fester again and he's
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Speaker 1: starting to feel like part of the Adams family, but
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Speaker 1: his mom is like, I'm your family. You've got to
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Speaker 1: get out of there, find the money and run. So
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Speaker 1: the family throws Fester this big ball and the whole
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Speaker 1: Adams clan is invited. Iconic cousin it is there. Um
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Speaker 1: As Fester is getting ready and talking to his mom
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Speaker 1: about getting into the vault, Wednesday x in on them
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Speaker 1: and she's like, I knew it, You're a fake. And
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Speaker 1: then he chases after her but he can't find her.
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Speaker 1: No one can find her. And then he goes to
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Speaker 1: the ball and pretends everything is normal. There's a whole
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Speaker 1: dance sequence, terrific, great, That whole party is just so good,
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Speaker 1: and I feel like takes place in this world, Like
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Speaker 1: there were a lot of good scary dances in the
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Speaker 1: nineties and movies like The Dance and Casper was another
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Speaker 1: big scary dance that in like an old creaky mansion.
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Speaker 1: Loved it, loved it. And then after a while, the
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Speaker 1: family realizes that Wednesday has disappeared, so they go out
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Speaker 1: to find her, and when they come back to the house,
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Speaker 1: their lawyer, Tully, has seized the house and issued a
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Speaker 1: restraining order, saying that it now belongs to their oldest
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Speaker 1: living relative, Fester, and that he's still bitter about Gomez's
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Speaker 1: betrayal regarding Flora and Fauna so now the family has
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Speaker 1: banished from their home and they're despondent. They try to
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Speaker 1: integrate into society that doesn't work out very well for them. Meanwhile, Fester,
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Speaker 1: now that he has the house to himself, he and
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Speaker 1: his mom and Tully are all trying to break into
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Speaker 1: the vault to get the money, but they can't figure
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Speaker 1: out how, and Fester seems to like miss the atoms
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Speaker 1: Is and We're like, what's going on there? And then
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Speaker 1: more Titia sneaks out and goes back to the house,
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Speaker 1: but Mrs Craven and Tully tie her up to get
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Speaker 1: the information about how to access the vault, and then
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Speaker 1: Gomez shows up to rescue her, and Fester doesn't want
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Speaker 1: to hurt the atoms Is because maybe he is one
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Speaker 1: of them actually, and then his mom is like, I
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Speaker 1: should have left you where I found you, and then
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Speaker 1: we're all like what, and then Fester's like, you're a
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Speaker 1: terrible mother, and then he unleashes a hurricane on them
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Speaker 1: that lives in a book, which also electrocutes Fester with
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Speaker 1: a bolt of lightning, which restores his memory, and it
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Speaker 1: turns out that Mrs Craven had kidnapped Fester years ago.
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Speaker 1: But he got amnesia and he didn't remember that he
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Speaker 1: was in fact member of the Atom. I totally forgot
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Speaker 1: this part. I don't know. I was watching it on
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Speaker 1: on my plane on the way here, and it's totally
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Speaker 1: skipped over that. Yeah, so he is by blood or
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Speaker 1: maybe adopted, but he was raised as an atom's right.
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Speaker 1: And that ending confirms this total fact, which is faster
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Speaker 1: can grow hair. He just shaves it all. He just
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Speaker 1: saves it all. I didn't even think about that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's always oh man. I honestly like I forgot the
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Speaker 1: entire what happens in this movie, and I was floored
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Speaker 1: by the twist. I was like, wait, that's it's what
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Speaker 1: we thought at the beginning. I loved it. I know
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Speaker 1: it was beautiful. I loved it. And that means that
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Speaker 1: Gomez is purity of heart is actually the right thing
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Speaker 1: to do, because he was was right all along. He's
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Speaker 1: actually very intuitive. He knows his brother. That's true. Let's
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Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll come right back, and
17:04
Speaker 1: we're back. That was kind of a a spooky and
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Speaker 1: they're back back back. So where do we want to
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Speaker 1: start with this film? We've got an embarrassment of riches here.
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Speaker 1: There's so there's so many fun female characters. Start with
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Speaker 1: more Tisha, Let's do it. She's great, I mean an
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Speaker 1: icon she is. This is weird that I like she
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Speaker 1: I love I love that she's both very much in charge,
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Speaker 1: but it's also very soft spoken. I feel like you
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Speaker 1: don't get characters. Yea. I will say that because I
17:39
Speaker 1: remember watching this and be like, oh, I don't remember
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Speaker 1: her voice being that high pitch, but I think you
17:44
Speaker 1: watch it forget and then you see pictures and I
17:46
Speaker 1: was like, oh, she must have a deep voice because
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Speaker 1: she commands so much power, right, But yeah, no, Angelica Houston,
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Speaker 1: she actually didn't base it off of the original more Tisha.
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Speaker 1: She based it off of Gray Gardens. Oh yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: how she came up with how she was acting in
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Speaker 1: the wild. And they kept some of the things, like
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Speaker 1: they kept the her clipping the roses, like that's from
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Speaker 1: the show. But I think she wanted a different take
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Speaker 1: that was more true to her, like what she thought
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Speaker 1: she could bring to it. I mean, it's such a
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Speaker 1: like the jokes that she delivers, which are a lot
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Speaker 1: of them. With her performance, it ends up being this
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Speaker 1: like dead pan delivery and it's so funny and it's
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Speaker 1: so great. Yeah, I love it. As far as her
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Speaker 1: character so well, first of all, she's a horny icon
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Speaker 1: verry sex positive, I mean her income as like their
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Speaker 1: relationship is great. Yeh. That's why I was watching this,
18:41
Speaker 1: was like, I'm the right man for the job. You
18:43
Speaker 1: got the Horny Lord of Comedy. If you wa wait
18:47
Speaker 1: here checking in clocking in? Is that a nickname you
18:51
Speaker 1: gave your Yeah, just feel free to tag was it
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Speaker 1: horn Lord of Comedy? Alright, that's going to be the
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Speaker 1: movie I'd come out with with three other horny comics,
19:06
Speaker 1: The Horny Lords of Comedy. That's your like national tour, Like,
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Speaker 1: oh man, did you check out The Horny Lords of Comedy?
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you said, was good? But b l
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Speaker 1: Huglia kind of weak. Not I had tweeted about Gomez,
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Speaker 1: I was like, I want someone like him, and by
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Speaker 1: that I mean a Latino millionaire that can talk to
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Speaker 1: the dead, because I was like, that's just so on
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Speaker 1: brand for me. The thing that I love about I know,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about mor Tisia. The thing I like about
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Speaker 1: Gomez though, is that he's okay with male affection, Like
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Speaker 1: I love that. I love like he kisses Fester, which
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Speaker 1: like guard but he's very like he cries openly, he
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Speaker 1: worships his wife. Like I just love all of that. Yeah,
19:53
Speaker 1: but I love that they're super sex positive. Yeah, he's
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Speaker 1: like very emotionally open and vulnerable and by contrast, like
20:02
Speaker 1: maybe more Titia to a lesser extent, just because she's like, hey, kids,
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Speaker 1: you should keep trying to kill each other more. I
20:08
Speaker 1: like that. I feel like that like that subverts like
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Speaker 1: a lot of mom tropes that shut and all the
20:12
Speaker 1: time of just like the mom has to be I mean,
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Speaker 1: not that Morticia isn't nurturing, She's very supportive of her kids,
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Speaker 1: but like the you know, emotionally more forward when where
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Speaker 1: it seems like Gomez is kind of the has that
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Speaker 1: role in the family of expressing it, I mean, and
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Speaker 1: even like when it seems like Fester isn't his brother
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Speaker 1: after all, or the Fester that they're given isn't, you know,
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Speaker 1: he's like devastated and like openly devastated and doesn't hide it.
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Speaker 1: And I also like that the movie doesn't try to
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Speaker 1: make it seem silly that like a man is expressing
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Speaker 1: his emotions too, because I feel like sometimes when male
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Speaker 1: characters and movies do it's framed by the movie is
20:50
Speaker 1: like how embarrassing for that, how pathetic something for Grama
20:53
Speaker 1: is it's just like a part of the story and
20:55
Speaker 1: its like it makes sense, and it's so I love
20:58
Speaker 1: that the main women in the family are very a
21:00
Speaker 1: level headed, so like Morticia and Wednesday, you know, like
21:04
Speaker 1: Morticia always keeps her cool even when Gomez is freaking out,
21:07
Speaker 1: and the same with Wednesday, Like she's just so same thing.
21:10
Speaker 1: She's dead pan. She like definitely wears the pants between
21:13
Speaker 1: her and Pugsley and is always like he that's her
21:16
Speaker 1: little guinea pig, right, And by extension, it doesn't seem
21:20
Speaker 1: to bother the men either. They're not like hey stop
21:23
Speaker 1: that elect care. I mean, yeah, I know we're all
21:29
Speaker 1: over the place. Well, we'll get to every character. We'll
21:31
Speaker 1: give them all their due time. But like, just to
21:33
Speaker 1: pick you back off what you were saying, Danny about
21:36
Speaker 1: the two siblings, Wednesday and Pugsley, Like, first of all,
21:40
Speaker 1: Wednesday is the first and kind of only one who's
21:43
Speaker 1: like very immediately suspicious of a very suspicious scenario. Um,
21:49
Speaker 1: And so I don't know if that's like kind of
21:53
Speaker 1: playing to like the women's intuition trope, or if it's
21:55
Speaker 1: just that she's really smart and observant, that's what I
21:58
Speaker 1: choose to believe it's happening. Um. So, yeah, she's super
22:01
Speaker 1: smart and curious and observant. Um. I would say that
22:04
Speaker 1: she's the more developed, more active, and better remembered character
22:08
Speaker 1: than Pugsley for sure. I like that she's given a
22:12
Speaker 1: like specific academic interest. She loves the Bermuda Triangle and
22:17
Speaker 1: she studies it, and she like studies her like she
22:20
Speaker 1: has an interest in her family. When she brings up
22:23
Speaker 1: Calpurnia right right on, you're like, oh, she's you know,
22:27
Speaker 1: she's digging it. Like yeah. She also talks way more
22:31
Speaker 1: than Pugsley. She has far more lines of dialogue, which
22:34
Speaker 1: I think is unusual for Also, I don't know how
22:37
Speaker 1: old Christina Ricci was, but like, damn, I was watching
22:40
Speaker 1: like she was so good. She was on par with
22:43
Speaker 1: the adults in the film. She was eleven when this
22:46
Speaker 1: movie came out. Insane. Yeah, she's and then and then
22:50
Speaker 1: she you know, got like pigeonholed in the in the
22:52
Speaker 1: scary nineties movies for a while because she was in Casper.
22:55
Speaker 1: And she's also perfect in Casper. Do we want to
22:59
Speaker 1: talk about let's say, or go back to more Tisa. Gosh,
23:02
Speaker 1: I'm just excited. I know, it's just so exciting. Um,
23:05
Speaker 1: so yeah, let's let's return back to Morticia for a moment.
23:09
Speaker 1: My big thing with her as it relates to the
23:13
Speaker 1: narrative is so towards the end, they've been banished from
23:17
Speaker 1: their house, and Morticia is the one who's like, this
23:21
Speaker 1: isn't right. I'm going to go do something about this.
23:23
Speaker 1: So she's the one who like sneaks out, takes the
23:26
Speaker 1: initiative and goes back to their home in an effort
23:28
Speaker 1: to correct the injustice that's been brought upon them. Um.
23:33
Speaker 1: But she gets immediately captured and damseled and like tied
23:37
Speaker 1: to a slab, and so she doesn't get to accomplish anything,
23:41
Speaker 1: which is very frustrating. Which does and that, Yeah, that's
23:43
Speaker 1: like a shitty tropy thing. The only good thing about
23:45
Speaker 1: that is that she they that that they get kinky
23:48
Speaker 1: about this lab, true, which is fun because Gomas has
23:52
Speaker 1: to come in and rescue her and then they get
23:54
Speaker 1: horny in regards to this lab. That's true. Yeah, they
23:58
Speaker 1: could have capitalized on that opportunity to have her go
24:01
Speaker 1: try to do something and then accomplish something and maybe
24:04
Speaker 1: like whether or not she's completely successful whatever, but the
24:08
Speaker 1: fact that she doesn't even get to do anything because
24:11
Speaker 1: she's immediately captured and then has to be rescued. That
24:14
Speaker 1: was she also got a job and Gomez didn't right, Yes,
24:17
Speaker 1: Gomes was like sitting around watching TV, super depressed and
24:21
Speaker 1: then she went out and I d a teacher teacher right,
24:25
Speaker 1: which is a great scene too. Yeah, I don't mean,
24:28
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wasn't sure what to make of
24:30
Speaker 1: her getting a job in Gomez not I feel like
24:32
Speaker 1: it sort of made sense for the story, Like it
24:35
Speaker 1: was like it seemed like he was suffering depression and
24:38
Speaker 1: she was like, well, I need to go make money
24:40
Speaker 1: because our financial situation is intentionally obscured to serve the plot.
24:47
Speaker 1: And I don't know, Yeah, I I that didn't super
24:50
Speaker 1: super bother me. And I also think it's it's like,
24:53
Speaker 1: especially in the early nineties, like the mom being the
24:55
Speaker 1: breadwinner is actually kind of like a little bit supper.
24:58
Speaker 1: And then we also get to see like the interview
24:59
Speaker 1: pro where the interview was like, oh, so you've been
25:03
Speaker 1: a homemaker and you're trying to re enter the workforce.
25:06
Speaker 1: That's actually pretty normal, right now, um, where did you
25:09
Speaker 1: go to college? And then she's like, tutors, what was
25:12
Speaker 1: your major? Spells? And hexa and she's like, we'll say
25:15
Speaker 1: liberal Arts. And I was like, the comedy in this
25:18
Speaker 1: movie so funny, But yeah, I actually liked that. Like
25:22
Speaker 1: we see her be the one to go out and
25:25
Speaker 1: get a job and try to support the family. She's
25:28
Speaker 1: very often the one to find the solution for a problem,
25:32
Speaker 1: and it's just like, I don't know, her and gum
25:34
Speaker 1: As have such like a functional good relationship where when
25:36
Speaker 1: there's a problem, they split up the responsibilities and one
25:39
Speaker 1: of themselves the problem. It's pretty easy, like when Wednesday
25:42
Speaker 1: goes missing in that weird sequence where she ends up
25:45
Speaker 1: sleeping on a grave and then they're like, well, anyways,
25:47
Speaker 1: next scene, go Ma solves that one. What was that?
25:52
Speaker 1: What does anyone know? Why? Why that happened? She runs
25:55
Speaker 1: away to escape Fester because she got caught finding out
26:01
Speaker 1: that Fester is an impostor. Again she had suspected it,
26:05
Speaker 1: but then this is her confirming it because she walks
26:07
Speaker 1: in on the right the shaving of the head, and
26:14
Speaker 1: then so she runs away to avoid like being hunted
26:17
Speaker 1: down by them. Yeah, that's how that happened. But yeah,
26:20
Speaker 1: I mean, similar to Wednesday being suspicious about Fester, you
26:26
Speaker 1: see Mortisia being eventually suspicious as well. Like she you
26:30
Speaker 1: can just sense that she's not quite as on board
26:33
Speaker 1: as Gomez is, because Gomez has been blinded by the
26:38
Speaker 1: excitement of Fester returning and he like cannot look at
26:43
Speaker 1: anything rationally. But more Titia is like, I'm happy that
26:46
Speaker 1: he's home. But also this is a bit suss. She
26:49
Speaker 1: takes him out to the graveyard and like warns him
26:52
Speaker 1: of like just so you know, if you funk with us,
26:55
Speaker 1: you'll be in one of these graves. And then like
26:57
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh okay. So she's a little visions,
27:02
Speaker 1: you know. She like gives him a stern She's like
27:04
Speaker 1: Christopher Lloyd don't. Also, this is the most I love
27:08
Speaker 1: this family. They're the most confusing because it's clear that
27:11
Speaker 1: they want to die, but yet they you know what
27:14
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, don't work with us. But then
27:16
Speaker 1: it was like cyanide, like we'd run out, you know,
27:18
Speaker 1: and it's just like you know, they clearly I kept
27:21
Speaker 1: running into that with the Adams family values, because they
27:23
Speaker 1: were upset they kept trying to kill the kid, even
27:25
Speaker 1: though they wanted their kids to try and kill each other.
27:28
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is so and they like had a
27:31
Speaker 1: had a background process for the nanny, and I'm just like,
27:34
Speaker 1: why don't you want They're just they're very confusing. Maybe
27:37
Speaker 1: it's a family rules where it's like it's like we
27:39
Speaker 1: can kill each other, but strangers killed. I buy that.
27:46
Speaker 1: I like that they there's so many rules of the
27:48
Speaker 1: Adams family universe that just are blatantly unexplained to the
27:52
Speaker 1: print where it didn't even occur to me to question
27:54
Speaker 1: them because it's just like Cannon like went, we don't
27:57
Speaker 1: know why no one else is scary they and it's
27:59
Speaker 1: all so I'm like, how old are they? We don't know.
28:01
Speaker 1: It seems like they might be immortal, but but then
28:04
Speaker 1: also could be hard to say. Yeah, the wife, I
28:08
Speaker 1: forgot her name, Toty's wife, right, I love Margaret that
28:15
Speaker 1: he doesn't respect her, so she left his ass. You know. Um, Also,
28:21
Speaker 1: short guys do win? Look I date short guys. She
28:24
Speaker 1: went for a guy shorter than her. Yeah, cousin it
28:28
Speaker 1: because he treated her well. See, that's that's what we
28:31
Speaker 1: want that's true because it's very respectful. You don't know
28:34
Speaker 1: what happens when he flips that hair up. He can shredded.
28:37
Speaker 1: Sh He's all dick. It's all dick. He covered in hair.
28:49
Speaker 1: I choose to believe that even though he pronouns are
28:53
Speaker 1: used for cousin it and I also think are used
28:56
Speaker 1: he pronouns are used for a thing. Yeah. I think
28:59
Speaker 1: that they are both genderless non binary icons. But you
29:03
Speaker 1: know that's just my head canon. I had one more
29:05
Speaker 1: thing on Mortisia before we moved on from her was
29:08
Speaker 1: I liked that scene where she goes to Wednesday school.
29:11
Speaker 1: This is when we find out where that Wednesday has
29:13
Speaker 1: made like a school project about her great aunt Calpurnia,
29:17
Speaker 1: who was burned as a witch in seventeen oh six.
29:19
Speaker 1: They said she danced naked in the town square and
29:21
Speaker 1: enslaved the minister. But I like that they're in this
29:26
Speaker 1: phase where Mortisia is being set up by the teacher
29:29
Speaker 1: to like be worried about her daughter and like call
29:32
Speaker 1: her weird and say like, oh, something is wrong, and
29:35
Speaker 1: Mortisia just, I don't know it's weird because it is.
29:37
Speaker 1: She does know what's happening, but she just totally steamrolls
29:40
Speaker 1: it very calmly, and she's just like, oh, yeah, isn't
29:44
Speaker 1: that the coolest fucking thing you've ever seen in your life?
29:46
Speaker 1: My daughter is so great. And then the teacher is
29:49
Speaker 1: just like like the teachers just pokemon stunned and they
29:54
Speaker 1: move on. Like there's like she has a lot of
29:56
Speaker 1: moments like that where you know, she knows what's going on,
29:59
Speaker 1: but she's like not even going to get into an
30:02
Speaker 1: argument about it, and she's so like cool and collected
30:05
Speaker 1: that no one ever challenges her. It's the it's aspirational.
30:10
Speaker 1: More Titia is so great the movie, though both this
30:14
Speaker 1: and its sequel are the stories are focused, I would say,
30:18
Speaker 1: largely on the relationship between Fester and Gomez. So even
30:23
Speaker 1: though we have these great female characters, the narrative is
30:27
Speaker 1: focused on like the patriarch of the family and then
30:30
Speaker 1: his brother. You know that I found especially maybe sure
30:34
Speaker 1: that's the first movie. Sequel could have been about something
30:38
Speaker 1: more focused on more Tissue, which actually they hire a
30:41
Speaker 1: nanny because more Tissa is like, I would like to
30:45
Speaker 1: pursue some interests outside of the home, and we're like, okay, cool,
30:48
Speaker 1: that's cool. But then she never does anything. So that
30:53
Speaker 1: was um the big frustration for me for Adam's family values.
30:58
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, both movies are about like they're focusing
31:02
Speaker 1: on these male relationships, so the female characters end up
31:07
Speaker 1: being more supporting roles rather than you know, the heroes
31:11
Speaker 1: of the story. The you know, and it's an ensemble cast,
31:15
Speaker 1: but um, the focus is still on men and male relationships,
31:19
Speaker 1: which is kind of funny because I think, like the
31:22
Speaker 1: iconic characters from this franchise are to female characters. Wednesday. Yeah,
31:27
Speaker 1: so like, in spite of the way that these movies
31:31
Speaker 1: are are written, it's still like cream rises to the top.
31:34
Speaker 1: Although I love going As so much too, Pugs, I
31:36
Speaker 1: can kind of it's like the least cause played character.
31:43
Speaker 1: I do think that it's weird that it's the same
31:45
Speaker 1: like story. I almost feel like the Studio because it's
31:48
Speaker 1: about Fester essentially listening to a woman who takes him
31:52
Speaker 1: away from his family. That's like both stories, Like I
31:56
Speaker 1: just found because I watched them back to back the
31:58
Speaker 1: other night and I was like, this is is like
32:00
Speaker 1: the same thing. He's listening to a woman that wants
32:02
Speaker 1: to take him away from his family. Like it's just
32:05
Speaker 1: fascinating to me like being on the other side of
32:07
Speaker 1: it now that the studio wouldn't be like, hey, so
32:09
Speaker 1: maybe let's change this more. But they're like worked the
32:12
Speaker 1: first time. Let's see what happen, And it is cool that,
32:18
Speaker 1: like you have parody between men and women as far
32:22
Speaker 1: as like there are female villains in both movies. And
32:25
Speaker 1: then like also in the first movie, like Tully ends
32:28
Speaker 1: up being irredeemable, but then also like Fester, who is
32:32
Speaker 1: in on the scheme in the first place because he
32:34
Speaker 1: doesn't know that he's actually in Adams, he ends up
32:36
Speaker 1: being redeemable. So it's like there's nice, a nice balance there,
32:40
Speaker 1: Like we all, I always like to see a female villain,
32:42
Speaker 1: assuming they're handled responsibly, which is when I think mostly
32:46
Speaker 1: it is I think she's a good female, like because
32:48
Speaker 1: you're always worrying like, oh, is this going to be
32:50
Speaker 1: a female villain that is like relegated to only using
32:54
Speaker 1: her sexuality as a weapon or like what but but
32:58
Speaker 1: this is a I mean, abigailis a goofy villain, major goofibes.
33:03
Speaker 1: And then there's also that bizarre like that sexual tension
33:07
Speaker 1: between her and Fester that you're like where she well,
33:12
Speaker 1: there are all those scenes where she's getting real close
33:14
Speaker 1: and she's like, you know, to me, she's shaving, she's
33:17
Speaker 1: shaving him, she's shaving him down to you know, his skin,
33:22
Speaker 1: and being like, tell mommy you love her. Yeah. There's
33:26
Speaker 1: also I mean, this is maybe a stretch, but I
33:28
Speaker 1: feel like there's the light suggestion that the villain, who
33:32
Speaker 1: is a woman in the first movie, is so baby
33:35
Speaker 1: crazy that she will kidnap an adult man and raise
33:39
Speaker 1: him as her son. Yeah. I was like, um, okay,
33:46
Speaker 1: but it is very funny to me that Fester would
33:48
Speaker 1: have been an adult when she found him, and then
33:51
Speaker 1: she's like, but you're I'm your mommy, mommy. Going back
33:57
Speaker 1: a little bit to Gomez and how he is this
34:01
Speaker 1: really sensitive father, I think by that same token, one
34:06
Speaker 1: of the things that endears us to Fester is that
34:10
Speaker 1: he takes an interest in the children in like this
34:13
Speaker 1: very nurturing role. Um, because nurturing relationships like that with
34:19
Speaker 1: children are usually relegated to female characters. So the fact
34:22
Speaker 1: that it's we get to see this random uncle who's
34:26
Speaker 1: been gone for twenty five years, who would have never
34:29
Speaker 1: met those children, was like, yeah, but you're nice and
34:32
Speaker 1: I like you, and let's I'm gonna teach you about scabs, which,
34:36
Speaker 1: by the way, Jamie, I know at the topic of interest,
34:40
Speaker 1: does it you know, it's it's getting to be Halloween,
34:42
Speaker 1: and we have to reevaluate once again. Does beetlejuice come
34:45
Speaker 1: wet scaps or dry scaps? Thoughts? And we don't. We're
34:50
Speaker 1: so sorry to bring talk about It's definitely scabs. So
34:54
Speaker 1: you're so sure that juice comes scabs? Yes, in the
34:58
Speaker 1: real and in how are you? How do you talking
35:01
Speaker 1: about this mathematically based on the assumption, which we've deduced
35:05
Speaker 1: to be mostly true, that beetle juice comes scabs. Do
35:09
Speaker 1: you think that bee juice would come wet scabs? I
35:12
Speaker 1: think like like a laser jet printer printing a lot
35:16
Speaker 1: of full color photos, or dry scabs, which would be
35:19
Speaker 1: like a deck of Tarot cards being shuffled. Do you
35:22
Speaker 1: remember the commercial in the nineties for creepy Crawlers. That's
35:27
Speaker 1: what I think. He comes like those jelly little crawley
35:32
Speaker 1: spiders that you could like bake in the boy's equivalent
35:35
Speaker 1: of an easy bake oven or whatever they have. So
35:37
Speaker 1: you're saying wet but also hot. No, they were like
35:41
Speaker 1: they were like they were like gummy. It was a
35:43
Speaker 1: gummy so you put it in the sas or out
35:46
Speaker 1: of the equation. Yeah, I'm sorry, he comes creepy crawlers.
35:50
Speaker 1: See how there's boys that's unfortunately not canon, Danny, that
35:54
Speaker 1: there's boys that when clearly I owned one of the
35:58
Speaker 1: I do want to, you know, quote my my algebra
36:02
Speaker 1: teacher and say show your work, because I need to
36:04
Speaker 1: know how we got to the scabs. I've got. I mean,
36:06
Speaker 1: I've got. First of all, look at the man. He's
36:09
Speaker 1: covered in scabs, covered in scabs. We have no reason
36:13
Speaker 1: to believe that he wouldn't come scabs. More guys is
36:21
Speaker 1: not can Thanks for playing everyone, but try again next
36:25
Speaker 1: year definitely comes scabs, all right? When when I when
36:29
Speaker 1: we have the writer people juice on Nertificent and we
36:33
Speaker 1: ask all our loyal listeners who send in their pictures
36:35
Speaker 1: every year with their team dry Scabs and Team Wet
36:38
Speaker 1: Scabs T shirts. It's a whole team pus rise up,
36:43
Speaker 1: but no shirts for you. Don't be afraid. Don't be
36:47
Speaker 1: afraid to come us the scot there's a book about
36:52
Speaker 1: scabs in this movie, flipping through it's it's one of
36:55
Speaker 1: the ways that Fester bonds with his niece and nephew.
36:59
Speaker 1: We have smelled your scabs before, so good. We got
37:07
Speaker 1: to take a break, but we'll come right back. And
37:16
Speaker 1: we're back. We're back, and we're gonna we cannot refuse.
37:22
Speaker 1: I'm going to cut this out. It is important Halloween discourse.
37:30
Speaker 1: One of the last things I wanted to bring up
37:33
Speaker 1: is So and Danny. You touched on this a bit
37:36
Speaker 1: as well. But Um, Gomez, the character and the actor
37:40
Speaker 1: who plays him, Raoul Julia are Latin X. There's an
37:44
Speaker 1: article in teen Vogue by writer Ella Serone entitled The
37:49
Speaker 1: Adams Family's Gomez Adams was my first glimpse of Latin
37:53
Speaker 1: X representation, and I just have a few quotes that
37:57
Speaker 1: I'd like to read from that. Um there was Gomez Adams.
38:02
Speaker 1: He was the first time I ever saw my own
38:03
Speaker 1: dad reflected back to me on a big screen. The
38:06
Speaker 1: prevalence of solid Latin X fathers in pop culture is
38:10
Speaker 1: meager now. For every Jane the Virgin storyline, there are
38:13
Speaker 1: also many more stereotypes floating around, feeding into the narrative
38:16
Speaker 1: of machismo and patriarchy that so many of us are
38:20
Speaker 1: trying now to course correct. When the first Adams Family
38:24
Speaker 1: movie first debuted appropriate representation was rarer. Still, No, Gomez
38:29
Speaker 1: was not a realistic father per se. The family pet
38:32
Speaker 1: was a disembodied hand, but he was a devoted one.
38:36
Speaker 1: The fact, and here's another quote from the same article,
38:38
Speaker 1: the fact that Gomez was played by a Latino X
38:40
Speaker 1: actor was not lost on me either. Julia accentuated his
38:44
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican accent and speech patterns in order to heighten
38:47
Speaker 1: the character's theatricality. With all due respect to John Aston
38:52
Speaker 1: and Tim Curry, who have also played the character, all
38:56
Speaker 1: other interpretations of Gomez were aberrations. In my mind, I
38:59
Speaker 1: understood Gomez to be Latin X like my dad because
39:03
Speaker 1: that is what I knew, and he still is now
39:05
Speaker 1: that Oscar Isaac is voicing him in the new animated movie,
39:08
Speaker 1: which is why we are covering this uh Adam's family
39:12
Speaker 1: right now because of the new animated movie that's coming out.
39:15
Speaker 1: So I thought that was worth mentioning um because of
39:21
Speaker 1: the little and not good representation generally of Latin X
39:26
Speaker 1: characters in media. I love the fact that they did
39:30
Speaker 1: keep Oscar Isaac and I think I can't predict the future,
39:33
Speaker 1: but I think that he will stay um not Oscar.
39:37
Speaker 1: I wish that they had a live action of him.
39:40
Speaker 1: I kind of wish the cartoon, but I think Gomez
39:43
Speaker 1: will stay latin x like for the next decade at least.
39:46
Speaker 1: I mean, his name is Gomex. But in my mind,
39:50
Speaker 1: I'm like, so is Wednesday Latina? Um? Possibly, I don't know.
39:56
Speaker 1: I'm gonna We're gonna claim her. Chloe Grace Moretz is
40:00
Speaker 1: out because she's who voices Wednesday. Rewrite it instead of Wednesday.
40:05
Speaker 1: She's miracles now nice. The whole time trying to do
40:12
Speaker 1: that joke, I was remembering the song I learned in
40:15
Speaker 1: Spanish class, Days of the Weeks Luon Martes miracles virness.
40:22
Speaker 1: Uh what Luna lu luncleless. Yeah, you know that's the song.
40:30
Speaker 1: Svine was Lunes Martes miracles vierness, the fourth one sin
40:38
Speaker 1: the days of the week. Wow, I can't believe I
40:40
Speaker 1: forget Friday. No, you said Fridays, So what's Thursday? Oh yeah,
40:49
Speaker 1: Oh that's why I'd like, let it miracles vierness the
40:55
Speaker 1: days of the week. Beautiful. Someone's probably like cramming for
40:59
Speaker 1: their Spanish final and then they're listening to this, They're like,
41:02
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'll save me. You're welcome every find
41:06
Speaker 1: Senora Martinez. Can I listen to podcasts while I take
41:09
Speaker 1: this test? It takes we have so many seventh graders
41:13
Speaker 1: taking Intro to Spanish as our listener. Yeah. Um. One
41:21
Speaker 1: of the last things I wanted to say was, um,
41:24
Speaker 1: I think it's very cool to see female characters like
41:28
Speaker 1: more Titia and Wednesday being interested in like dark, morbid things,
41:34
Speaker 1: because most movies are showing women and girls being interested
41:38
Speaker 1: in things that are like very traditionally feminine, which is great.
41:43
Speaker 1: But the fact that we only see that and the
41:46
Speaker 1: fact that that's like a societal expectation, you know, it's whatever,
41:50
Speaker 1: But you know, I just like to see more Titia
41:53
Speaker 1: and Wednesday they love death. Yeah. Well, that was something
41:57
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up as well, just because I
41:59
Speaker 1: was trying to research how the um, how the adaptations
42:03
Speaker 1: have differed, and it seems like this is the adaptation
42:07
Speaker 1: that really like did the most right. And actually, as
42:11
Speaker 1: we see on this podcast all the time, where like
42:13
Speaker 1: adaptations are done lazily or poorly or and do a
42:17
Speaker 1: disservice to their female characters, this actually does a pretty
42:20
Speaker 1: cool job of reversing some of the more trophy female
42:24
Speaker 1: roles that are present in the TV series UM, where
42:28
Speaker 1: Morticia doesn't really have the same presence and parody in
42:33
Speaker 1: the household as she does in this movie. And also
42:36
Speaker 1: um because Wednesday is like very morbid and I think,
42:40
Speaker 1: very similar to the Christina Ricci character in the original cartoons,
42:43
Speaker 1: but in the TV series she was kind of like
42:45
Speaker 1: femed up a little bit. Uh. They make her more girly,
42:48
Speaker 1: they make her more cute, see, and they kind of
42:51
Speaker 1: strip her of those really dark um like interest that
42:54
Speaker 1: Christina Ricci's character has. So I thought that that was
42:57
Speaker 1: like a cool positive thing that the movie did was like,
43:01
Speaker 1: first of all, stay loyal to its source material in
43:03
Speaker 1: a way that really served it. And also just like
43:06
Speaker 1: let the female characters be like dark and funked up
43:10
Speaker 1: and cool and not have it be this you know,
43:13
Speaker 1: point of contention for the story. This was also a
43:15
Speaker 1: time in the nineties when like riot girl culture was
43:18
Speaker 1: coming up, um and so I think like having women
43:22
Speaker 1: like rebelling being into more darker things and like grunge
43:26
Speaker 1: and um, I imagine that that influenced part of this
43:33
Speaker 1: that grandberries culture is on the right ninety one and
43:38
Speaker 1: this movie is also co written by a female writer
43:42
Speaker 1: who Caroline Thompson is co written with Larry Wilson. But
43:47
Speaker 1: Caroline Thompson has a pretty like crazy screenwriting record for
43:51
Speaker 1: like this era of movies. Specifically, she was in the
43:54
Speaker 1: spooky movie genre. She co wrote Edwards Scissor Hands. She
43:59
Speaker 1: care wrote the Adams Family should cover at the Secret
44:01
Speaker 1: Garden Nightmare before Christmas, Uh Corpse Bride like and and
44:06
Speaker 1: the twist welcome to Marwin we don't know or We'll
44:11
Speaker 1: welcome to. Isn't it always so crazy that whenever there's
44:16
Speaker 1: a good representation of women in film, there's usually a
44:19
Speaker 1: woman who co wrote it. It's almost like, m I
44:24
Speaker 1: wonder what. That's My favorite thing in Adam's Family values
44:28
Speaker 1: is when she's like, Debbie, you enslaved Fester, you took
44:32
Speaker 1: him away from us, and that I can forgive but
44:35
Speaker 1: pastels and she kicks her out, Like that's my favorite part.
44:40
Speaker 1: She's so okay. Another thing, she's an icon for her
44:44
Speaker 1: meme of her sipping tea. I've seen so many people
44:47
Speaker 1: use that on Twitter than more Tisias sipping the tea.
44:50
Speaker 1: Love it. That's the way to really establish a legacy
44:54
Speaker 1: is to have a good gift of you sipping tea
44:57
Speaker 1: because that means he will never truly die ever. Does
45:01
Speaker 1: anyone have any other final thoughts about the film? I
45:06
Speaker 1: want to see, Um, I forgot is it Melissa? Somebody
45:09
Speaker 1: did a grown up Wednesday Adams, But I really hope
45:12
Speaker 1: that that was Melissa Hunter? Right, Yeah, I want that.
45:18
Speaker 1: I want to see her what her life is like now,
45:22
Speaker 1: like a spin off. Yeah, we should, let's write it
45:25
Speaker 1: about together iconic hell yeah. Uh does this movie pass
45:31
Speaker 1: the Bechtel test? Yeah? It does. There are a few
45:36
Speaker 1: different combinations more. Tisha talks to Granny, her mother. She
45:42
Speaker 1: talks to Margaret about the finger trap and the charity auction.
45:48
Speaker 1: She talks to Wednesday. She talks to Wednesday's teachers we
45:53
Speaker 1: mentioned who has given a name Susan Perkins. They talk
45:57
Speaker 1: about Wednesday. Um. A lot of the conversations between female
46:02
Speaker 1: characters are about like Fester if he is an impostor,
46:08
Speaker 1: or they're talking about their dad or you know, something
46:11
Speaker 1: like that. But there are a few exchanges that definitely passed. Yeah. Yeah,
46:15
Speaker 1: It's like it's one of those things where you're like, yeah,
46:17
Speaker 1: it's not as much as it should and I wish
46:19
Speaker 1: I genuinely wish that you had gotten a little more
46:21
Speaker 1: between more Tissia and Wednesday, specifically because you see moments
46:25
Speaker 1: where they're supporting each other and having each other's back,
46:27
Speaker 1: but you don't actually get to see that just the
46:29
Speaker 1: two of them together, um really much at all. So
46:33
Speaker 1: I wish that there was more of that. But that's that.
46:35
Speaker 1: I mean, for for ninety one, this movie, uh like
46:39
Speaker 1: really holds up. I thought, yeah, they're there. I mean,
46:42
Speaker 1: the nineties were so ripe with so much problematic stuff,
46:46
Speaker 1: and especially comedies which were so about punching down to
46:51
Speaker 1: marginalize people. So the fact that this movie doesn't subscribe
46:54
Speaker 1: to that, the most regressive thing probably is more Tisha
46:59
Speaker 1: get Dam's old and having to be rescued by her husband.
47:03
Speaker 1: Um yeah than that. Like, yeah, it pretty much, and
47:06
Speaker 1: it subverts a lot without making a big show of it.
47:09
Speaker 1: Like it just I don't know. It's it's a fun movie.
47:12
Speaker 1: It is, and queer icon cousin it will say it,
47:17
Speaker 1: and the Thing as well at it. Yeah. I love that.
47:20
Speaker 1: When the Thing was tapping stuff out in Morris Cota
47:22
Speaker 1: was like things working over time this week. I love it.
47:27
Speaker 1: Oh goodness, let's write the movie on our nipple scale
47:31
Speaker 1: zero to five nipples. Based on its representation of women,
47:36
Speaker 1: I would say because there's the same number of major
47:39
Speaker 1: female characters as there are male characters, that's pretty rare.
47:43
Speaker 1: Um the fact that we do see a lot of
47:46
Speaker 1: subversions of tropes. We have these great, iconic female characters,
47:52
Speaker 1: and yet the story isn't really about them. It's more
47:54
Speaker 1: focused on the male characters and their relationships, you know.
47:59
Speaker 1: So I think I think it's only like maybe a
48:02
Speaker 1: two and a half. It's like, right, I hate to
48:05
Speaker 1: give a nipple score that's right down the middle, but
48:10
Speaker 1: that's what I've decided to do here today. So I
48:13
Speaker 1: will give one nip to mor Tisha, one to Wednesday,
48:17
Speaker 1: and I will give my half nipple to cousin. It's cool.
48:23
Speaker 1: The end, I'm gonna do three and a half. I'm
48:26
Speaker 1: gonna I was very um psyched to I don't know.
48:29
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I'm probably like also a little
48:32
Speaker 1: bit like you never expect a movie from to like
48:35
Speaker 1: really hold up and not feel and like be like
48:38
Speaker 1: I'm going to watch this and never feel bad about it,
48:40
Speaker 1: Like this is great. But I think it is like
48:42
Speaker 1: a pretty impressive feet that um yeah that, I mean
48:47
Speaker 1: the two best remembered characters, and I think the two
48:49
Speaker 1: best loved characters from this franchise are two women who
48:53
Speaker 1: are um while you know, like underwritten in some respects,
48:57
Speaker 1: are for the most part. I mean they have command
49:00
Speaker 1: of For Mortitia, it's her family and and and of
49:04
Speaker 1: her marriage as well, and she's very much an equal
49:07
Speaker 1: in every way and also seems to kind of be
49:09
Speaker 1: in charge in in a lot of ways. Wednesday is
49:13
Speaker 1: super smart, also supported by her family, and how smart
49:17
Speaker 1: and like funked up and weird she is in all respects.
49:21
Speaker 1: I gave it too low. Why don't you do two
49:23
Speaker 1: and a half? What am I thinking? I don't know,
49:25
Speaker 1: let me persuade you. Uh. And and I also think that,
49:29
Speaker 1: like the male characters in this movie are really well written.
49:32
Speaker 1: Like it. You know, if you're looking for an example
49:34
Speaker 1: of what a great father is, I think you can't
49:38
Speaker 1: do better than Gomez Adams. He's yeah, I'm sure he's
49:40
Speaker 1: a little gullible if you say you're his dead brother,
49:42
Speaker 1: but then it turns out you're his dead brother. Yeah,
49:46
Speaker 1: there's like no toxic masculinity in this movie. Really, they're
49:49
Speaker 1: kind of true and like Pugsy. I mean, he is
49:54
Speaker 1: very fine with being electrocated by his sister. He isn't
49:57
Speaker 1: I feel like little boy, Like young young boy characters
50:01
Speaker 1: are kind of often made out to be emasculated by
50:04
Speaker 1: their sisters or female classmates or whatever it may be.
50:08
Speaker 1: And Pugsley and Wednesday are again I think, kind of
50:11
Speaker 1: similar to uh, Mortisia and Gomes where their equals and uh,
50:15
Speaker 1: the woman's kind of doing a little more in a
50:18
Speaker 1: lot of cases. And yeah, I don't know, I think
50:21
Speaker 1: I think it's great female villain. I gotta I got
50:24
Speaker 1: three and a half. I almost want to say for
50:26
Speaker 1: I'm three and a half nips. I'm going to give
50:29
Speaker 1: one to Wednesday, one of Morticia, one of Gomez, and
50:32
Speaker 1: a half to the thing. Hell yeah, I'm gonna switch
50:35
Speaker 1: mind to three and a half. Also, I made a
50:36
Speaker 1: mistake earlier. I'll admit it. I've never this is my
50:40
Speaker 1: first mistake, but here it is. Um So, whoever's you
50:43
Speaker 1: know keeping track of our Wikipedia page and the recording. Yeah,
50:48
Speaker 1: three and a half, And I'll give my extra nipple
50:50
Speaker 1: to um Granny because I think we could have seen
50:53
Speaker 1: a little bit more her, you know, older women representation.
50:56
Speaker 1: It's there, but it's not that strong, So let's I
50:59
Speaker 1: want Granny to be a bigger part of the narrative
51:02
Speaker 1: next time. It yea three and a half for me too.
51:05
Speaker 1: You know, I thought it was great, Like I said, yeah,
51:08
Speaker 1: it could have been like a stronger plot line for
51:10
Speaker 1: the women featured in the film. You know, there's like
51:14
Speaker 1: that light naggie woman nous to the bad female characters are.
51:20
Speaker 1: But but you know, I don't. I think it's in
51:22
Speaker 1: the way where it's like, you know, fat and salt,
51:24
Speaker 1: you sparingly so you know, not too bad. But yeah,
51:29
Speaker 1: I rocked it. Love more Tissia, Love Wednesday. But yeah,
51:33
Speaker 1: I guess one nipple to Wednesday, two to more Tissia,
51:36
Speaker 1: and uh I have to cousin it too, you know,
51:39
Speaker 1: since everyone's doing it, I'll give cousin. It's just one
51:42
Speaker 1: big nipple under Their part of the thrill is the
51:47
Speaker 1: mystery of it a true true true They had their baby?
51:52
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what their baby? What? I'm actually gonna give
51:58
Speaker 1: this four. I probably bias, but I feel like these
52:01
Speaker 1: women affected so much of my life and my personality,
52:05
Speaker 1: so much of my brand is them. I love Wednesday
52:09
Speaker 1: just because she is the smartest person in the family.
52:13
Speaker 1: You know, they gave that to a little girl. Um,
52:17
Speaker 1: she's like the surry of her family. Like, she's great
52:19
Speaker 1: at science. She's super into stem you know, she experiments,
52:23
Speaker 1: she knows chemicals really well. She knows how to push
52:26
Speaker 1: it just far enough that she doesn't actually kill her brother,
52:29
Speaker 1: but clearly could. She could probably kill everyone in her
52:31
Speaker 1: family if she wanted to. Um, she uses bigger words
52:34
Speaker 1: than me, So I respect that. UM. And yeah, I
52:38
Speaker 1: like Mortsia. I like that they kept her. Like there's
52:42
Speaker 1: a way about her sexuality that doesn't feel like it's
52:45
Speaker 1: a joke or doesn't feel like she's you know, I
52:48
Speaker 1: love Jessica Rabbit, but like she doesn't feel like that,
52:50
Speaker 1: you know, like she feels like so heavily sexualized and objectified, whereas, yeah,
52:57
Speaker 1: she's heavily sexualized, but like in an and in a
53:00
Speaker 1: consensual way with the man that she's in love with.
53:03
Speaker 1: And what I love about that is when a lot
53:05
Speaker 1: of guys are like my queen, you know or whatever
53:07
Speaker 1: on Twitter, like he actually treats her like a queen,
53:11
Speaker 1: like he in the second movie, like you were saying,
53:13
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm something is wrong. I want you
53:15
Speaker 1: to feel good too, you know after she had her baby. Yeah,
53:19
Speaker 1: I just I love like he was like, I would
53:21
Speaker 1: die for her and like the way he says that,
53:23
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, he would literally die for her on
53:26
Speaker 1: her for Yeah, she's coming every day. So I love that.
53:34
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I'm giving it a four two of mine.
53:39
Speaker 1: Actually I'm going to give wait, how many I can't
53:41
Speaker 1: do math, I'm going to give to to Wednesday, one
53:44
Speaker 1: to more Titia, and one to is it Margaret for
53:47
Speaker 1: leaving her husband, being a woman who realized that she
53:50
Speaker 1: deserved better, leaving her husband for someone that would actually
53:53
Speaker 1: take care of her and being happy. And it's a
53:56
Speaker 1: queer relationship because cousin it is a queer anyway on board. Uh, well,
54:03
Speaker 1: thank you to the both of you so much for
54:05
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54:16
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54:44
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