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Mega Edition: Hillary Clinton And Her Epstein Related Talk With Congress (Part 1-4) (11/8/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive into
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  Speaker 1: the Hillary Clinton transcript from her conversation with Congress about
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. And like usual, we're going to start with
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  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's opening statement. And this comes after she was
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  Speaker 1: sworn in. Mr. Chairman, Ranking Member, Members of the Committee,
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  Speaker 1: as a former United States Senator, I have respect for
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  Speaker 1: the legislative oversight and I expect its exercise in as
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  Speaker 1: do American people, to be principled and fearless in pursuit
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  Speaker 1: of truth and accountability. As we all know, however, too
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  Speaker 1: often congressional investigations are partisan political theater, which is an
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  Speaker 1: abdication of duty and an insult to the American people.
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  Speaker 1: This committee justified its subpoena to me based on an
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  Speaker 1: assumption that I have information regarding the investigations into the
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  Speaker 1: criminal activities of Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell. Let me
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  Speaker 1: be as clear as I can, I do not. As
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  Speaker 1: I stated in my sworn declaration on January 13th, I
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  Speaker 1: had no idea about their criminal activities. I do not
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  Speaker 1: recall ever encountering Mr. Epstein. I never flew on his
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  Speaker 1: plane or visited his island or offices. I have nothing
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  Speaker 1: to add to that. Like every decent person, I've been
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  Speaker 1: horrified by what I've learned about their crimes. It's unfathomable
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  Speaker 1: that Mr. Epstein initially got a slap on the wrist
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  Speaker 1: in 2008, which allowed him to continue his predatory practices
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  Speaker 1: for another decade. Mr. Chairman, your investigation is supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be assessing the federal government's handling of the investigation and
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  Speaker 1: prosecution of Epstein and his crimes. You subpoenaed eight law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement officials, all of whom ran the Department of Justice
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  Speaker 1: or directed the FBI when Epstein's crimes were investigated and prosecuted.
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  Speaker 1: Of those eight, only one appeared before the committee. Five
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  Speaker 1: of the six former Attorney General were allowed to submit
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  Speaker 1: brief statements stating they had no information to provide. You
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  Speaker 1: held zero public hearings, refused to allow the media to
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  Speaker 1: attend them, including today, despite espousing the need for transparency
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  Speaker 1: on dozens of occasions. You've made little effort to call
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  Speaker 1: the people who show up most prominently in the Epstein files.
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  Speaker 1: And when you did, not a single Republican member showed
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  Speaker 1: up for Les Wexner's deposition. This institutional failure is designed
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  Speaker 1: to protect one political party and one public official, rather
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  Speaker 1: than to seek the truth for the victims and survivors,
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  Speaker 1: as well as inform the public who want to get
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  Speaker 1: to the bottom of this matter. My heart breaks for
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  Speaker 1: the survivors, and I'm furious on their behalf. I've spent
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  Speaker 1: my life advocating for women and girls. I've worked hard
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  Speaker 1: to stop the terrible abuses so many women and girls
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  Speaker 1: face here and around the world, including human trafficking, forced labor,
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  Speaker 1: domestic violence, and sexual slavery. For too long, these have
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  Speaker 1: been largely invisible crimes or not treated as crimes at all.
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  Speaker 1: But the survivors are real, and they're entitled to justice.
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  Speaker 1: In Southeast Asia, I met girls as young as 12
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  Speaker 1: years old who had been forced into prostitution and raped repeatedly.
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  Speaker 1: Some were dying of AIDS. In Eastern Europe, I met
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  Speaker 1: mothers who told me how they lost their daughters to
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  Speaker 1: trafficking and did not know where to turn. In settings
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  Speaker 1: around the world, I met survivors trying to rebuild their
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  Speaker 1: lives and help rescue others with little support from people
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  Speaker 1: in power who too often turned a blind eye and
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  Speaker 1: a cold shoulder. If you are new to this issue,
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  Speaker 1: let me tell you, Jeffrey Epstein was a heinous individual,
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  Speaker 1: but he's far from alone. This is not a one-off
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  Speaker 1: tabloid sensation or political scandal. It's a global scourge with
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  Speaker 1: an unimaginable human toll. My work combating sex trafficking goes
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  Speaker 1: back to my day as his first lady. I worked
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  Speaker 1: to pass the first federal legislation against trafficking and was
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  Speaker 1: proud that my husband signed the Trafficking Victims Protection Act,
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  Speaker 1: which increased support for survivors and and gave prosecutors better
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  Speaker 1: tools for going after traffickers. As Secretary of State, I
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  Speaker 1: appointed a former federal prosecutor, Luis de Baca, to ramp
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  Speaker 1: up our global anti-trafficking efforts. I oversaw nearly 170 anti-trafficking
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  Speaker 1: programs in 70 nations and directly pressed foreign leaders to
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  Speaker 1: crack down on trafficking networks in their countries. Every year,
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  Speaker 1: we publish a global report to shine a light on abuses.
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  Speaker 1: The findings of those reports triggered sanctions on countries failing
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  Speaker 1: to make progress, so they became a powerful diplomatic tool
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  Speaker 1: to drive concrete action. I insisted that the United States
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  Speaker 1: be included in the report for the first time ever
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  Speaker 1: in 2011, because we must hold ourselves not just to
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  Speaker 1: the same standard as the rest of the world, but
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  Speaker 1: to an even higher one. Sex trafficking and modern slavery
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  Speaker 1: should have no place in America, none. Infuriatingly, the Trump
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  Speaker 1: administration gutted the trafficking in persons' offices at the State Department,
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  Speaker 1: cutting more than 70% of the careers civil and foreign
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  Speaker 1: service experts who work so hard to prevent sex trafficking crimes.
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  Speaker 1: The annual trafficking report required by law was delayed for months.
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  Speaker 1: The message from the Trump administration to the American people
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  Speaker 1: and the world cannot have been clearer. Combating human trafficking
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  Speaker 1: is no longer an American priority under the Trump White House.
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  Speaker 1: That's a tragedy. It's a scandal, and it deserves vigorous
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  Speaker 1: investigation and oversight. A committee endeavoring to stopping human trafficking
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  Speaker 1: would seek to understand what specific steps are needed to
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  Speaker 1: fix a legal system that allowed Epstein to get away
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  Speaker 1: with his crimes. A committee run by elected officials with
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  Speaker 1: a commitment to transparency would ensure a full release of
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  Speaker 1: all the files. It would ensure that all lawful redactions
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  Speaker 1: of those files protected the victims and survivors, not powerful
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  Speaker 1: men and political allies. It would get to the bottom
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  Speaker 1: of reports that DOJ withheld FBI interviews in which a
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  Speaker 1: survivor accuses President Trump of crimes. It would subpoena anyone
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  Speaker 1: who asked on which night there would be the wildest
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  Speaker 1: party on Epstein's island. It would demand testimony from prosecutors
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  Speaker 1: in Florida, New York, and the Department of Justice about
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  Speaker 1: why they gave Epstein a sweetheart deal and chose not
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  Speaker 1: to pursue others who may have been implicated in his crimes.
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  Speaker 1: And it would demand that Secretary Rubio and Attorney General
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  Speaker 1: Bondi testify about why this administration is abandoning survivors and
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  Speaker 1: playing into the hands of traffickers. It would seek out
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  Speaker 1: advocates and law enforcement officials on the front lines of
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  Speaker 1: the fight against human trafficking and ask them what support
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  Speaker 1: they need. And it would put forth legislation to provide
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  Speaker 1: more resources and force this administration to act. But that's
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  Speaker 1: not happening. Instead, you have compelled me to testify fully
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  Speaker 1: aware that I have no knowledge that would assist your
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  Speaker 1: investigation in order to distract from President Trump's actions and
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  Speaker 1: cover them up despite legitimate calls for answers. If this
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  Speaker 1: committee is serious about learning the truth about Epstein's trafficking crimes,
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  Speaker 1: it would not rely on press gaggles to get answers
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  Speaker 1: from our current president on his involvement. It would ask
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  Speaker 1: him directly, under oath, about the tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 1: times he shows up in the Epstein files. If the
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  Speaker 1: majority was serious... It would not waste time on fishing expeditions.
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  Speaker 1: There's too much to be done. What's being held back?
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  Speaker 1: Who's being protected? And why? The cover-up. So my challenge
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  Speaker 1: to you, Mr. Chairman, and members of this committee, is
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  Speaker 1: the same challenge I put to myself throughout my long
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  Speaker 1: service to this nation. How to be worthy of the
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  Speaker 1: trust of the American people that they've given you. They
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  Speaker 1: expect statesmanship, not gamesmanship. Leading, not grandstanding. And they expect
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  Speaker 1: you to use your power to get to the truth,
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  Speaker 1: and to do more to help survivors of Epstein's crimes,
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  Speaker 1: as well as the millions more who are victims of
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  Speaker 1: sex trafficking in this country and around the world. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
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  Speaker 1: And I would like to request that the video of
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  Speaker 1: this deposition be made available within 24 hours, as it
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  Speaker 1: has been for other witnesses. Billy Grant, I guess, is
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  Speaker 1: doing the questioning here. Thank you, Madam Secretary. The time
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  Speaker 1: reads 1134. The majority's time will begin now. Madam Secretary,
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  Speaker 1: in the interest of efficiency here today, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: ask you one question followed by a list of names.
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  Speaker 1: The question can be answered yes or no. If you
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  Speaker 1: do indicate yes to an individual, I'll come back and
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  Speaker 1: revisit that at the end. The question is, have you
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  Speaker 1: ever communicated with any of the following people relating to
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell? Richard Kahn, answer no. Darren Indyke, no.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah Kellen, no. Doug Band? Not that I recall. Larry Summers? No.
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  Speaker 1: Huma Abedin? Have I ever talked to her about this?
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  Speaker 1: In preparation for the hearing I have. Question outside of that?
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  Speaker 1: Answer not that I recall. Noam Chomsky? No. Leslie Groff? No.
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  Speaker 1: Nadia Marcinkova? No. Jean-Luc Brunel? No, I don't know most
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  Speaker 1: of these people. Should I tell you that I know
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  Speaker 1: who they are, or just tell you I never talked
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  Speaker 1: to them? Question, just so you never talk to them
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  Speaker 1: is fine. Alan Dershowitz, answer no. Kathy Rumler, answer no.
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  Speaker 1: Bill Richardson, answer no. George Mitchell, answer no. Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor,
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  Speaker 1: formerly Prince Andrew, answer no. Peter Mandelson, answer no. Reid Hoffman,
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  Speaker 1: answer no. Karinia Shulak, answer no. Bill Gates, answer no.
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  Speaker 1: Ehud Barak, answer no. Woody Allen, no. Sandy Berger, no.
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  Speaker 1: Jess Daly, no. Paul Morris, no. Leon Black, no. Sultan
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  Speaker 1: Ahmed bin Sulaym, answer no. Leslie Wexner, no. Jack Kessler, no.
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  Speaker 1: Mark Middleton, no. Harvey Weinstein, no. Ellie Dorothchild, no. Ariane Dorothchild, no.
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  Speaker 1: Lynn Forrester Dorothchild, no. Many other members of the Dorothchild family,
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  Speaker 1: answer no. Glenn Dubin, no. Eva Anderson Dubin, no. Casey Wasserman, no.
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  Speaker 1: Larry Vysotsky? No. David Rogers? No. Ira Magaziner? No. Daniel Gilbert? No.
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  Speaker 1: Karen Ewing? No. Stacey Plaskett? Not that I recall. Howard Lutnick?
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  Speaker 1: Not that I recall. Steve Bannon? Answer, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I ever met him. You'll have to introduce me. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I'll take that as a no. Answer, just to be
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  Speaker 1: absolutely clear, you've asked if I've ever communicated about Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: a man I've never met, with any of these people,
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  Speaker 1: most of whom I've never heard of and certainly not met.
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  Speaker 1: That's the premise of your question? Oh, please, she never
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  Speaker 1: met any of these people, huh? Right, and I'm fucking
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  Speaker 1: Santa Claus. Question, Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell? Clinton, you
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  Speaker 1: did not say that. Question, I did say that in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning. I'll repeat the question. Clinton, no, that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't talk about her with any of these
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  Speaker 1: people either. Question understood. Answer, I barely knew her. Question,
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  Speaker 1: David Gergen. Answer, no. Elon Musk. Answer, no. Abigail Johnson. Answer, no.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos. Answer, no. Larry Page. Answer, no. Sergey Brin. Answer, no.
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  Speaker 1: Louis Free. Answer, no. Question, a new member arrived. Would
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  Speaker 1: they please introduce themselves for the record? Wesley Bell, Representative,
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  Speaker 1: Missouri First Integration District. Catherine Turner jumps in now. Can
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  Speaker 1: you read back the initial premise of your question? Because
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  Speaker 1: I too did not hear. Question. Yes, ma'am. Have you
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  Speaker 1: ever communicated with any of the following people relating to
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein or Glenn Maxwell? Clinton, I didn't hear the
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell piece, but we could ask the court reporter. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's the same answer. But I did not
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  Speaker 1: hear the Maxwell name in there. Billy Grant understood. Question.
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  Speaker 1: So was the last name you said Larry Page? Comer
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  Speaker 1: jumps in. Sergi Bryn. Billy Grant, the last name I
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  Speaker 1: stated was Louis Free. You indicated no. Is that a correct?
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  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, I think you mean Free? Question, Free, yes ma'am.
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  Speaker 1: Catherine Turner, Louis Free. Clinton, no. Question, and Sarah Kay? Clinton, no.
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  Speaker 1: And these are all to the best of my recollection.
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  Speaker 1: As I say, many of the people I've never heard of.
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  Speaker 1: Most of these people I've never had a relationship with. Although,
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  Speaker 1: I know their name. Some of them are deceased. But
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  Speaker 1: I was not communicating about Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,
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  Speaker 1: as I understand that's what you're asking me. Contacting people
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  Speaker 1: about them, that did not happen. Question, is there anyone
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  Speaker 1: you had a conversation with about Ghislaine Maxwell? Answer, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure I've talked about Ghislaine Maxwell, and especially in
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  Speaker 1: preparation for the hearing. Question, and outside of the conversation
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  Speaker 1: with counsel, what did you talk about with Ms. Maxwell? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall any conversation about Ms. Maxwell, but I
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  Speaker 1: knew her casually. So I can't tell you that I
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  Speaker 1: never had a conversation that mentioned Glenn Maxwell's name because
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall that. Question understood. And you say that
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  Speaker 1: you knew Ms. Maxwell casually. What does that mean? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: just as I said, I knew her primarily as someone
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  Speaker 1: who dated someone that I knew. Question, and who was
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  Speaker 1: that individual? Answer, Ted Waite. Question, and who was Ted Waite? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: Ted Waite was as successful as I recall a software developer. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and roughly... When was the first time Ms. Maxwell would
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  Speaker 1: have come up in a relation to Mr. Waite? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall, but perhaps sometime around 2010 because he
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  Speaker 1: was invited to my daughter's wedding and she was a guest. Question,
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  Speaker 1: have you ever spoken with Ms. Maxwell personally yourself? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure I have, yes. Question, could you estimate on
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  Speaker 1: how many occasions? Answer, not many. I didn't see her
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  Speaker 1: very often. Question, when would the first occasion have been? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I have no recollection. Question, did your first interaction... Would Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell occur while President Clinton was President of the U.S.
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  Speaker 1: and you were First Lady of the United States? Answer, no.
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall ever meeting her while Bill was still
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  Speaker 1: in the White House. All right, folks, we're going to
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  Speaker 1: wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing
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  Speaker 1: with the topic, we're going to pick up where we
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  Speaker 1: left off. All the information that goes with this episode
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  Speaker 1: can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone?
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to pick up with the Hillary
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  Speaker 1: Clinton transcript from her trip to Congress. Question. Did Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Waite ever inform you what Ms. Maxwell did for a living? Answer.
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  Speaker 1: Not that I recall. Question. Did anyone ever indicate to
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  Speaker 1: you what Ms. Maxwell did for a living? Answer. Not
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  Speaker 1: that I recall. Question. When would be the last time
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  Speaker 1: that you've either communicated with Ms. Maxwell, even if not
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  Speaker 1: directly yourself, but been around Ms. Maxwell? Answer. The best
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  Speaker 1: of my recollection is is at the wedding in 2010. Question,
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  Speaker 1: would you consider Ms. Maxwell a friend? Answer, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: would you consider her a friend of President Clinton? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: he'll have to answer that. Question, would you consider Ms.
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  Speaker 1: Maxwell a friend of your daughter? Answer, she was probably
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  Speaker 1: friendlier with her than I was because I didn't see
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  Speaker 1: her very often. Question, how often would your daughter have
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  Speaker 1: seen Ms. Maxwell? Answer, I have no idea, but again,
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  Speaker 1: it was in the context of her being In a
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  Speaker 1: relationship with Ted Wade. Question. Anyone else in your family
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  Speaker 1: have a relationship of some kind with Ms. Maxwell? Answer. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's my family you asked about Bill and Chelsea. Question.
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  Speaker 1: And just to make clear for the record, have you
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  Speaker 1: ever met Jeffrey Epstein? Answer. I do not recall meeting
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. In preparation for this hearing, I was told
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  Speaker 1: that he attended an event at the White House that
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  Speaker 1: was put on by the White House Historical Association, but
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  Speaker 1: I have no recollection of that. Question. And only that
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  Speaker 1: one time at the White House, Historical Association? Answer, that's
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  Speaker 1: the only time that I'm aware of that I might
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  Speaker 1: have possibly been in the same room with him. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you have an initial impression of Mr. Epstein? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I have no recollection of Mr. Epstein. I'm just told
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  Speaker 1: that he was in a room at a dinner that
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  Speaker 1: we were hosting for the White House Historical Association. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what was your understanding of what Mr. Epstein did for work? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I knew nothing about him. He was there as an
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  Speaker 1: invited guest. by the white house historical association that's my
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  Speaker 1: best recollection question and no one else informed you what
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  Speaker 1: mr epstein did for work answer no but we had
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  Speaker 1: hundreds and thousands of people who came to the white
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  Speaker 1: house i was not informed of what people did or
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  Speaker 1: didn't do for work especially someone that i have never
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  Speaker 1: had a conversation with question do you know who invited
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  Speaker 1: mr epstein to the white house answer i can only
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  Speaker 1: tell you what i know which is that he apparently
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  Speaker 1: was a guest invited by the White House Historical Association
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  Speaker 1: to attend a dinner to thank people who gave money
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  Speaker 1: to the White House Historical Association for the upkeep and
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  Speaker 1: maintenance of the White House. That's what I informed of
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  Speaker 1: in preparation for coming here. Question, yes ma'am, and understanding
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  Speaker 1: we focused the last few questions of your time in
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  Speaker 1: the White House with President Clinton. After that time period
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  Speaker 1: of President Clinton's administration, did anyone ever tell you what Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein did for a living? Answer, I don't recall ever
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  Speaker 1: talking about Mr. Epstein. He was not on my radar.
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  Speaker 1: He was not somebody that I had any connection to. Question,
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  Speaker 1: when President Clinton was traveling with Mr. Epstein on Clinton
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  Speaker 1: Foundation business, no one associated with the foundation at that
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  Speaker 1: time discussed Mr. Epstein with you? Answer, not that I recall.
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  Speaker 1: I was not involved with the foundation. I was a
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  Speaker 1: senator from New York, and I was deeply committed to
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  Speaker 1: my work, and it became one of the most intense
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  Speaker 1: experiences of my life when we were attacked on 9-11.
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  Speaker 1: I was not involved with what was happening to create
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  Speaker 1: the foundation to create the work that was done to
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  Speaker 1: get low-cost drugs for AIDS. I knew about the work.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know about the details. Question understood. And to
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  Speaker 1: be clear, you've never had any communication yourself with Mr. Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: whether it be face-to-face interaction, phone calls, emails, text messages.
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  Speaker 1: Her lawyer jumps in, asked and answered. You can answer
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  Speaker 1: it again. Question, I have no recollection in any way.
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  Speaker 1: of ever having any conversation at the White House or
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  Speaker 1: in any other place or any other kind of device
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  Speaker 1: of any sort. I knew nothing about him. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: when did you learn of Mr. Epstein's 2006 indictment and
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  Speaker 1: subsequent arrests leading to his incarceration in 2008? Clinton, I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea. I wasn't paying attention. I was running
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  Speaker 1: for re-election in 2006. I ran for president in 2007
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  Speaker 1: and 8. I don't know that I ever learned about
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  Speaker 1: it until much later. when more things came out about him.
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  Speaker 1: Question understood, and when did you first learn of Mr.
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's arrest in 2019? Answer, probably when it happened because
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  Speaker 1: it was headline news. I'm sure I, like everybody else,
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  Speaker 1: saw it in the press. And in seeing it in
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: the press, did you discuss Mr. Epstein or his case
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: at the time with anyone? Answer, I'm sure we did
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: because it was a big story. Question, and Mr. Epstein
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: died in custody following his 2019 arrest. When would you
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: have learned of his death Answer, whenever it was reported. Question,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: going back slightly, a question. You said you likely would
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: have talked to someone regarding his arrest in 2019. Who
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: would have discussed that with you? Answer, whoever was around.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was a big story, as you recall.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: It was a very big story. I don't have any
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: specific recollection. It wasn't something that I particularly focused on,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: but it was a big story. Question, and going back
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: to Ms. Maxwell, when did you learn of her arrest
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: in 2021? Answer, again, whenever it was reported as happening. Question,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and did you discuss that with anyone? Answer, I'm sure
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I did. It was another big story. Question, and who
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: would those discussions have been with? Answer, I don't have
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: any specific recollection. Question, so moving forward in time just
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: a little bit. you were a secretary of state under
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: President Obama is that correct answer it is question and
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: it was during his first term 2009 through 2013 answer
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: that's correct question and after you completed your time as
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: secretary of state did you return to any role in
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the Clinton Foundation answer I did I became active in
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: it at that point. Question, and by being active in it,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: could you describe for us what that means? Answer, tried
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to support the work that Bill and my daughter and
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: the team had done and look for ways to be helpful.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: It was something that I wanted to make sure I
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: could support. Question, and please correct me if I'm wrong.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: You rejoined the board, a board member, is that right? Answer,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: that might have been the first time I was a
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: board member, I don't remember. Either the first or the
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: second time, yeah. Question, and speaking of, it sounds like
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: You were heavily involved when you returned to the foundation,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: where I guess started with the foundation at this point.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to accomplish those goals and initiatives, what you
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: were doing, broadly speaking, on a daily basis, monthly basis,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Answer. Well, I wanted to start
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: a program about early learning for kids. And so we
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: started something called Too Small to Fail, which I was
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: very actively involved in with my daughter. And we work
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: with pediatricians and other people to help parents, grandparents, aunts
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: and uncles read, talk, and sing to their children so
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: that they could help build brain cells. That was a
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: major priority of mine, and I'm very proud of what
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: we built and the difference that it's made in millions
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: of kids' lives. I certainly did what I could to
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: support the work that we do overseas through the Clinton
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Global Initiative, which has had a terrific track record of
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: bringing people together to work in partnerships, to make commitments,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: to try to improve everything from clean water to solar energy,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to improve education and All of the priorities that the
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: partners we have bring to us that we try to
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: help with. Question, and thank you for that, Madam Secretary.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: We've had a few members join us. Would you guys
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: please announce yourselves for the record? Pat Fallon, 4th District
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: of Texas. Scott Perry, 10th District, Pennsylvania. Mr. Grant, thank
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: you both. Question, and Ms. Secretary, as a board member,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: what type of responsibilities does that entail? Answer. Oh, attending
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: the board meetings, approving the agenda for work for the year,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: the budget that goes out, that kind of responsibility. Question.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: And you mentioned Clinton Global Initiative. Just for clarity, I'd
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: like to refer to that as CGI as we go
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: forward with this. CGI is part of the Clinton Foundation.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Is that correct? Answer. Yes. Question. And what was your
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: role with CGI at this time period right after you
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: left being Secretary of State? Answer. Yes. It was, again,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: to support the staff that put together both the annual meeting,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: but also work during the year with our partners who
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: made commitments to help them fulfill their commitments. So if
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: there were a meeting about a commitment that was being
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: made to get clean water to some very remote place,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: if there were a meeting, I might be invited to
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: it to meet with the partners to encourage them. It
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: was mostly around the work that happens throughout the year
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: in preparation for the annual meeting. Question, and forgive my
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: ignorance please, What happens at those annual meetings? Answer, so
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: annual meetings are a way for people to come together
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to make commitments that they have previewed with our staff.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: So I'll give you an example. Probably around, oh, I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: don't know, somewhere between 12 and 15 years ago, I
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: don't know specifically, Matt Damon, the actor, came to the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Clinton Global Initiative because he said he really cared about
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: clean water and could we connect him with people that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: he could work with to get more clean water in
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: more places in the world. So he did. We connected
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: them with this gentleman who was a real expert on
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: clean water. They started working together. They created something called water.org,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: which was a Clinton Global Initiative commitment that was made
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: at the annual meeting. And then our staff work with them.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: And I think it's fair to say that they've been
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: one of the most successful organizations in actually delivering clean water.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: But it's that kind of work. It's people who might
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: have a good idea. Maybe they've got some resources. Maybe
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: they have some experience. I'll give you another idea. So
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Procter & Gamble called us and said, one of our scientists,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: one of our chemists in the UK, has created this
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: packet of chemicals that can literally make the dirtiest water
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: clean enough to drink. But we don't know what to
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: do with it because we're a consumer company that sells
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: products to middle-class people. This is something that would go
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: to the very poor. What do we do with it
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: if we come to CGI? Can you connect us with
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: somebody who can help us? So we connected them with
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: World Vision and I think maybe one or two other organizations.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And so They used the packets to literally go around
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the world cleaning water. And Bill went with them. Chelsea
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: went with them. And they would go to a rural
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Myanmar or a rural Kenya. And they would take this
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: bucket of dirty water and they'd dump a packet in it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: And then my daughter and my husband would drink it
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: to show it was clean. And that was a CGI commitment.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: We bring together governments, local, state, national, business, philanthropies, NGOs, academics,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: anybody who has a good idea that we can help
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: them work on and try to fulfill. And that's what
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: we do. Question and thank you. The Clinton Foundation started
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: shortly after your husband, President Clinton, left office. Is that correct? Answer,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that is correct. All right, folks, we're going to wrap
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: up this episode right here. And in the next episode,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: we left off. All the information that goes with this
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to pick up where we left
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: off with the Hillary Clinton transcript from her trip to Congress. Question.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: NCGI started a few years later. Is that right? Answer.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I think that's right. I think it started maybe 2005. Maybe.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Question. And does CGI or the foundation
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: more broadly perform any work in sex trafficking or human
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: trafficking around the world? Answer, there may be partners whose
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: commitments are about that. We have thousands and thousands of commitments,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: so I can't answer yes or no. But it might
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: be an area that some of our commitment makers would
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: be focused on. Question, and how did the foundation, the
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Clinton Foundation, how did that idea come to fruition? Was
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that your idea? President Clinton's idea? Answer, oh no, the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Clinton Foundation was all Bill's idea. He set it up
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: as he was leaving the White House. It was the
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: entity that raised the money to build the Clinton Presidential
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Center and then to carry on the work that he
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: wanted to do. Shortly after he got out of the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: White House, he and Nelson Mandela were asked to come
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: to the annual AIDS conference to see whether the two
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: of them could do something that needed to be done,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: which was try to stem the epidemic of HIV AIDS.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: And so Bill started out trying to figure out how
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to deal with this problem and came to the conclusion
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: that the best way would to be lower the price
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: of drugs that were being used in the United States.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: But they were too expensive to be used around the
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: world in order to treat more people. And I really
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: give huge credit to both Bill's idea about how to
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: do that, but also huge credit to President George W. Bush.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Because when President Bush took Bill to Pope John Paul's
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: funeral in Rome, he and Bill were talking because President
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Bush was coming forward with the PEPFAR program. And so
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: he and Bill were talking, and President Bush was very
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: committed to this. And Bill was very committed. And so
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Bill said to President Bush, I now have generic drugs
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: being made in places like India that are much cheaper
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: than the brand name drugs, and you could, with tax money,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: treat many more people. And so President Bush, to his credit, said, yeah,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: but my folks tell me that the drugs aren't as
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: good as ours. And Bill said, I'll give them to you.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: You give them to the FDA, you test them, and
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I'll abide by your test. I think you can ask
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: him if you want tomorrow, but I think he gave,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know, like 24 drugs, and the FDA approved 22.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: And President Bush was good to his word. And so
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: we began as the United States and the Clinton Foundation.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Because of that connection and that partnership, we began treating
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: millions of people with low-cost drugs, with federal PEPFAR money,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: saving millions of lives. Sadly, that's going to be reversed
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: because of the attitude of this administration and the cutbacks,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: but it was one of the greatest services to humanity.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And I give President Bush, I give my husband, enormous
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: credit for doing something that wasn't going to get them headlines,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to get them some kind of statue put up,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: but was saving millions of lives, preventing mother-to-child transmission, preventing
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: people from dying. So that's what he was doing. Question,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: and thank you for that. Did Mr. Band play a
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: significant role in helping set up the foundation initially? Answer. Yes,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: he did. Question. And when CGI was initially created, whose
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: idea was that? Answer. It was Bill's idea. He went
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to Davos and he called me after he'd been at
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Davos and said, a lot of interesting people, but they
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: don't do anything but talk. And I have a better idea.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Why don't we get people together? And yeah, they can talk,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: but they have to make commitments and they have to
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: follow through on the commitments. And we could have an
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: annual meeting that would bring people who were willing to
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: make commitments. And that was his idea. And I thought
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: it was a really good idea. And I encouraged him
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: to go out and see if he could put it together. Question,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: are you aware of any, excuse me, are you aware
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: of anyone else helping formulate the idea of CGI? Answer, oh,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I think he talked to a lot of people. I
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: couldn't tell you who, but he talked to a lot
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: of people. Question, did Mr. Epstein have a role in
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: shaping the formation of CGI? Answer, I have no idea.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that. Question, did Ghislaine Maxwell
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: have any role in shaping CGI? Answer, I don't have
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: any idea about that. Question, I'll enter as Majority Exhibit 11,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the interview between Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche and Ms.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Maxwell from July of 2025. We'll get you a copy momentarily.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Speaker number two, which is one of the lawyers for Hillary. Question,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and I'm sorry, what was this exhibit? Answer, this will
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: be Majority 11. I'd like to direct your attention to
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: page 263. And on 263, Ms. Maxwell tells Mr. Blanche
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: that she had a role in shaping CGI. You said
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: you were not aware of Ms. Maxwell having any role
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: in shaping CGI? Answer, I was not involved in the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: creation of CGI. Again, I was in the United States Senate.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: I was not involved in the work that was done
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: to set up CGI. Question, no one discussed the formation
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: of CGI with you? Answer, that it was going to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: be set up, but I don't have any specific recollection
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: of having any specific knowledge of it, no. Question, did Mr.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Epstein help craft the idea or formulation of CGI? Answer,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I don't have any idea. I don't know anything about that. Question,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: is it possible that Ms. Maxwell had a role in
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: creating CGI? Answer, I'm not going to speculate. I'm here
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: to tell you what I know, and I don't know
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: anything about that. Question, understood, and it's possible Mr. Epstein
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: had a role in crafting the CGI. Clinton, I'm not
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: going to speculate about that either, because I have no
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: way of knowing that because I have no direct knowledge. Question,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I will enter now his majority exhibit 12. This will
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: be a letter from Mr. Epstein's attorneys. I'll give you
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: a second for it to be passed out. This is
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a letter dated July 6, 2007. It's from Gerald B. Lefcourt.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: He was an attorney for Mr. Epstein. He sent this
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to the prosecution in the Southern District of Florida. That
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: would be Sloman, Mitchell, Lurie, and Villafana. And I will
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: direct your attention to page 21. At the top paragraph
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: of page 21, it says Mr. Epstein was part of
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the original group that conceived the Clinton Global Initiative, which
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: is described as a project bringing together a community of
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: global leaders to devise and implement innovative solutions to some
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: of the world's most pressing challenges. Again, is it possible Mr.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Epstein played a role in crafting CGI? Answer, I have
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: no idea what he did or what he said he did,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and I have no way to testify to the veracity
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: of either. I was not involved. Question, have you seen
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: this document before? Answer, no. Question, the Clinton Foundation... accepts
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: donations as part of carrying out its work. Is that accurate? Answer, yes. Question,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: and when seeking, let me take a step back. People
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: charitably provide donations to the foundation. Answer, it's a 501c3, yes. Question,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: and do you or anyone else at the foundation ever
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: solicit donations from the foundation? Answer, I'm sure that happens.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: People talk to us. We talk to people. They ask
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: questions about the work that's being done, and I'm sure
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: that happened in the years before I was involved. Question,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: did you solicit funds from Jeffrey Epstein for the foundation? Answer,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I had no contact with Jeffrey Epstein. I did not
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: solicit funds from Jeffrey Epstein. Question, did you solicit funds
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: for the foundation from Ms. Maxwell? Answer, I did not. Again,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: we're talking about the creation of the foundation. I was
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: not involved in the creation of the foundation or the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: creation of CGI. In those early years, I was incredibly
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: focused on my job in the Senate. Bill was focused
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: on setting up the foundation and and starting CGI. Question,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and understanding that you were occupied with your career as
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a senator, and then your presidential campaign leading up to 2008,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: but at this time, were you discussing starting the CGI
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: with President Clinton? Answer, I'm going to object to any
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: communication between the two of them. You can ask generally,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: but that's covered by the marital communications privilege. And of course,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: that's Clinton's lawyer jumping in. Question, understood. So generally speaking, Clinton,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that I talked to my husband about what
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: he was doing to set up the foundation. It was
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: more on the substance of the work. How many drugs
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: was he getting? Made in India. What was the idea
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that was going to motivate CGI to be what he
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: wanted it to be? It was not in the weeds.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: It was the concept. It was the excitement that he
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: had about trying to establish the foundation and CGI. Question
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and similar question for Mr. Band. Did you discuss the
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: creation of CGI with Mr. Band? Answer. I may have
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: because he was around. He worked for my husband. He
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: was a personal aide to my husband. But I don't
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: have any recollection of any specific conversation. Question. Broadly speaking,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: at any time, do you recall any discussion related to
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: distancing the Foundation or CGI from Mr. Epstein or Ms. Maxwell? Answer.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I don't recall any conversations. I know that sometime, maybe
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: in 2003 or so, Bill did not have any ongoing
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: contact with Epstein, and in preparation for the hearing... It
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: became clear to him that Epstein was not interested in
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the charitable work that was motivating Bill as he traveled
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: around the world, getting people to commit to providing low-cost
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: drugs for not just HIV-AIDS, but eventually tuberculosis, malaria, and
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: other diseases. Question, and what is your understanding of Mr.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Epstein no longer wanting to participate in the Foundation's philanthropic goals? Answer,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I don't. Only in preparation for this have I been
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: told that there was no real interest there. And you know?
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: There was no point in being involved or connected to him. Question,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: and we touched on this. Correct me if I'm wrong.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: You said you were not aware of Mr. Epstein donating
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: to the foundation. Would you consider, let me back up,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: President Clinton took trips on Mr. Epstein's jet, is that correct? Answer, yes. Question,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: would you consider offering a private jet as a donation
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: in kind to the foundation? Answer, well, I don't know
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: what the rules are under 5013 regulation, but it was
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: certainly a gift. and he was one of a number
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: of people who provided transportation so that Bill could do
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: the work that he was doing. Question, okay, and I
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: think we touched on this. Did Mr. Epstein end up
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: donating to the foundation or CGI? Answer, I have no
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: personal knowledge of that. Question, you're not aware of a $ 25, 000
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: donation from Mr. Epstein's affiliated companies to the foundation? Answer,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: only what I was told was alleged in preparation for
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: this testimony. I didn't know about that, and I don't
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: know that that's true. Question, are you aware of the
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Clinton Foundation reviewing any records in regard to Mr. Epstein
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: donating to the foundation? Answer, I will have our lawyers
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: look at it because I did not. Question, have you
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: had any conversations about the foundation reviewing those donations made
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: by Mr. Epstein? Answer, I think I'll have to ask
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  Speaker 1: our lawyers. I don't know. I didn't review them. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: next episode, we're going to pick up with Nancy Mace
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: asking some questions. All the information that goes with this
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: In this episode, we're going to get back to the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton transcript from her trip to Congress. And we're
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: going to pick up with Nancy Mace asking the questions.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Nancy Mace. Opening remarks, you mentioned this is a political
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: theater and partisan. Do you believe the Epstein files are
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: a vast right-wing conspiracy? Answer, I think that if they're
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: fully released, as the Transparency Act requires, that would be
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: fulfilling the responsibility of the Justice Department. But it appears
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: that there may have been issues with the full release.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: So I'm not going to characterize it other than to say,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I think that's a well-known fact. Question, are you aware
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  Speaker 1: that Republicans and Democrats voted to subpoena you and your husband? Clinton,
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  Speaker 1: I'm here. Question, okay, are you aware that both Republicans
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: and Democrats voted to hold you in contempt when you
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: didn't show up? Answer, I'm here. Question, is that partisan?
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  Speaker 1: When both parties vote to do something together, is that
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: partisan or nonpartisan? Answer, I think it's standing up for
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: the institution. But there are many other aspects of the
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: committee's work that strikes me as avoiding the main issue
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: about who should be sitting here. Who has actual information
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: that might be useful to your investigation? Nancy Mace, as
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: a survivor, I'm a survivor, I appreciated your opening statement.
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  Speaker 1: And you're prioritizing some of these issues. Have you always
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: believed this way? Have you always believed this way for
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: some time? Answer, have I what? Question, have you believed
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  Speaker 1: that you believed in your opening statement for some time? Answer, yes,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: I have. Question, how long have you had those beliefs
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: or held those beliefs in your opening statement? Answer, very long. Question,
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  Speaker 1: in 1998, you had those same beliefs? Answer, yes. Question, 2005. Answer, yes. Question, 2008. Answer. Yes. 2012. Answer. Sure. 2016. Answer. Uh-huh. Question. 2020. Answer. Uh-huh. Question. 2024.
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  Speaker 1: The present day. You have held these beliefs the whole time? Answer. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I have. Question. Have you always believed that women abused
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: by powerful men should be believed? Answer. I know where
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  Speaker 1: you're going with this. Nancy Mace, do you? Answer, and
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  Speaker 1: I have nothing to say about anything in the past.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here to answer questions about this investigation. Question, so
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  Speaker 1: do you believe that women who were abused by Epstein
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and the Epstein Circle of Associates should be believed? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I think that many of them have made very credible accusations. Question,
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  Speaker 1: do you think that women abused by powerful men should
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: get justice? Answer, I think that they should have their
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: time to be evaluated, and where there is adequate evidence,
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: they should certainly get justice. and the perpetrators should be
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  Speaker 1: held to account. Question, the question was, have you always
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: thought that women abused by powerful men should get justice? Answer, yes, absolutely. Question,
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  Speaker 1: I agree. Well, you're aware, I think you said this earlier,
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  Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein was convicted in 2008 of procuring a
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: child for prostitution and soliciting a prostitute, correct? Answer, that's
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: what the charges were, yes. Question, and you were aware
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  Speaker 1: of that in 2008? Answer, I don't recall that I
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: was aware of that then. Question, and in 2008, you
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: were a U.S. Senator still? Answer, I was. Question, would
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: you say that Jeffrey Epstein was one of the world's
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: most prolific sex traffickers? Answer, From what we know, he's
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: certainly engaged in his predatory activities for a long period
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  Speaker 1: of time. Nancy Mace, would you say he's one of
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: the world's most prolific sex traffickers? Answer, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what to compare it to. There are terrible sex trafficking
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  Speaker 1: rings all over the world. Questioning you said, You were
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013, and your state
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: agency prioritized combating sex trafficking internationally, correct? Answer, that's correct. Question,
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  Speaker 1: During your time as Secretary of State, did you or
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the state receive any intelligence, cables, or briefings mentioning Epstein's
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: foreign travel, pedophile island, or his network of pedophiles and
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: sex trafficking? Not that I'm aware of, no. Question, how
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: did you miss it? If he's, I believe, one of
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: the most prolific sex traffickers in the world, you were
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Secretary of State, how did you miss it? Answer, well,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that would have been a matter for the Justice Department,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: not the State Department. question but in your opening statement
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: earlier in your opening statement you stated that secretary Rubio
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: should be called to testify and you said that he
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: what he has and the administration has quote abandoned survivors
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: using the same logic you were secretary of state during
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: a time period after Jeffrey Epstein was convicted for being
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: a pedophile and soliciting children for sex why then did
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you quote using your own logic abandoned survivors chairman Comer
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: what was the question please Hillary Clinton, I followed her comment.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, we focused on whether there were laws
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: that made sex trafficking, sexual slavery, domestic violence, other abuses
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: of women on the books in countries. And then we
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: tried to evaluate where those laws being implemented and where
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: judges appropriately trained and briefed about how to implement those laws.
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  Speaker 1: Were governments taking them seriously? We looked at the broad
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: institutional approach to these very serious abuses. Question. Would you
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: say that the U.S. government at the time, during this
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: time period, was appropriate with the way that it handled Epstein? Answer,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you could say that was true about
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: any of the government's prosecutorial efforts, starting with the Southern
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: District of Florida and Alex Acosta and all of those
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: who basically gave him a sweetheart deal. And then, I
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: think going up the chain, there was very little attention paid. Wow.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Could this lady be any more wrong? Main Justice okayed it, Hillary.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: And she knows that. Question, so it should have been
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: a priority. Answer, that should have been paid. But we
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: had laws on the books. They were not being implemented,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: but that was not within my purview because what we
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: were looking at is what the institutional structure and can
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: we do more to make sure countries take it seriously.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Our country had laws on the books. This man was
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: not held to account. Question, it was not in your purview.
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  Speaker 1: When you were Secretary of State, then why is it
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: today in Secretary Rubio's purview? Answer, because what's happened in
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: that office that was actually following what was going around
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the world has been decimated. 70% of the staff has gone.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: It's impossible to carry out the functions of that office
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: if you don't have a critical number of people. So
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: my question would be of Secretary Rubio, is there more
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: that can be done? Question, I'm running out of time here.
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  Speaker 1: You are clothed with immense power. As Secretary of State,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: you've stated on the record in your opening statement that
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: child sex trafficking, sex trafficking in general, human trafficking, trafficking
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: of all kinds, was a priority. You were clothed with
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: immense power. Your husband was clothed with immense power. And
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: until you got this subpoena, and until these files were
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: out in the open, you did nothing to try to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: effectuate all of those things you say that should have
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: been done. Is that correct? Answer, no. It's totally incorrect.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, all of your assumptions are ones that I reject. Question,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: when you saw the photos of your husband in a
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: hot tub, laying on a beach and getting massaged by
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: other women, and you knew that Jeffrey Epstein was involved
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: in some of these trips and these flights, did it
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: concern you at all? Answer, I'm here to offer my opinions.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: I'm here to answer specific questions to the best of
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: my ability. Question, when you saw your husband in these
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: photos with a young woman being massaged, what went through
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: your mind? Answer, I'm not going to speculate. Question, you
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: didn't have any feelings about young women massaging your husband? Answer,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to offer opinions or speculation about anything
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: that I have no context for and was not there. Question,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: after you learned that Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of a
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: sex crime, sex crimes with kids, any of these photos
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: of your husband with women being massaged on the beach,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: did it concern you? Answer, I have no context for
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: even answering that question. And I think obviously the innuendo,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: all the rest of it, Nancy Mace, I'm asking a
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: black and white question. I'm not putting any leading statements
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: into it or adjectives. Did you do anything to determine
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: what was happening in those images or on those trips?
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Once you saw these photos, once you realized Jeffrey Epstein
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: was a convicted sex offender of children, did you do
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: anything to determine what was happening on these trips with
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: your husband? Answer, I don't find any of your questions
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: to be relevant to the investigation. Question, well, it's relevant
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: that a former president was traveling around with young women. Answer, well,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: you'll have a chance to ask him tomorrow. Question, you
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: said this morning you did not solicit funds from Jeffrey Epstein. Answer,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: that's absolutely correct. Question, did anyone solicit funds from Jeffrey
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Epstein on your behalf? Answer, not that I'm aware of. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you ever invite Jeffrey Epstein or Glenn Maxwell to
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: any of your political fundraisers? Answer, I did not personally
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: invite them to my political fundraisers. Question, did anyone else
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: invite them on your behalf? Answer, I don't know. Question,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: is the purpose of a political fundraiser to solicit funds? Answer,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't know what it is. Question, okay. And you
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: stated this morning you've never communicated with Sarah Kay, right? Answer,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know who Sarah Kay is. Question, okay, she's
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: a councilwoman from New Rochelle, which is about how many
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: miles from here? Answer, not very far away. Mace, 20, 25. Clinton,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. Question. I have an exhibit I
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: would like to enter. This is an email dated September 30th, 2014.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Am I allowed to enter an exhibit? Speaker 3. Yes, ma'am.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: This will be exhibit 13. I believe majority exhibit 13. Question. Okay.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: It's from September 30th, 2014. The lawyer jumps in for Clinton.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Can you please provide the witness with a copy? So
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: they get everybody a copy. Mace asking questions again. And
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: can you read me the subject line of the email?
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Clinton following up event with Hillary Clinton and Congresswoman Lowy. Question.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Do you know who Congresswoman Lowy is? Answer. She was
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: our Congresswoman here for many years. Question. Who's the email from? Answer.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Someone named Sarah Kay. Question above that. Oh, you have
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: that very top one. Okay. All right. From Sarah Kay.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: And it's redacted on who it was sent to. Can
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: you read the read the email to me? Answer, okay,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: thank you very much for the prompt reply. Hi, Sarah,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: thank you for the invitation. But unfortunately, Jeffrey will not
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: be able to attend. Thank you so much for speaking
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: with me just now. Attached, please find the invitation and
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: response card for the event we spoke about with Hillary
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Clinton and Congresswoman Lowy at the Harvard Club. That was
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: a fundraiser, I believe, for Congresswoman Lowy that I attended
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: to support her is my recollection. Question, okay, and this
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: was an email. This is an invitation to the fundraiser.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: where you were there. Answer, do you have any idea
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: if the Epstein referred to in this, the Jeffrey Epstein?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people named Epstein in this area. Question,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: this is in the DOJ files. Answer, I have no
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: knowledge of it. Comer, and it says Mr. and Mrs. Epstein. Clinton,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I have no knowledge of this. Question, okay, so it
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: could be a different Jeffrey Epstein. Clinton, you're showing me
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: an email from someone who I don't recall knowing about
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: a fundraiser that wasn't for me. but was for Congresswoman Lowy.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I have no information. I went to the fundraiser to
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: support my friend, Nita Lowy. Nancy Mace, all right. Lawyer
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: jumps in. Excuse me, can I interrupt? Nancy Mace, I
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: have another. Lawyer. They are the photos that are being
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: released of the secretary as she's testifying from inside this room.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Can you please advise me as to whether or not
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: that's permissible and consistent with the rules, particularly given that
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: we have asked for a public hearing? If there are
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: photos that are being released of the secretary as she's testifying,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: can you please explain how that can concur? Answer, I'm
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: done with this. Hillary Clinton, if you guys are doing that,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I'm done. You can hold me in contempt from now
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: until the cows come home. This is just typical behavior.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: We'll go off record. All right, folks, so we're going
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: to wrap up right here, too. In the next episode
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: dealing with the topic, we'll pick up where we left off.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: All the information that goes with this episode can be
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: found in the description box.