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Selects: Horoscopes: Written in the Stars? · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Everybody, it's your friend Josh. And for this week's Select,
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  Speaker 1: I chose our two thousand sixteen episode on horoscopes. And
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  Speaker 1: I was pretty proud of us on this one because
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  Speaker 1: we took something that both Chuck and I were incredulous
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  Speaker 1: about and we talked about it on its own terms,
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  Speaker 1: which can be tough to do. So I'm kind of
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  Speaker 1: proud of this one, and I hope you at the
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  Speaker 1: very least enjoy it, if not feel proud of us too.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I
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  Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,
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  Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry's over here and
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  Speaker 1: we're just relaxing here in Studio one A. So this
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  Speaker 1: stuff you should know? Oh I thought it was astro Chad. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what we would call a great name or horoscope
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  Speaker 1: or podcast. Say horror scope. No, you shouldn't say that. No,
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  Speaker 1: would you ever want to do a horoscope or astrology podcast?
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean on its own? Not see that? Well?
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  Speaker 1: We were talking about this briefly until I didn't do
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  Speaker 1: it this time, but normally whenever this is a secret
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  Speaker 1: Chuck that I'm about to share with everybody the pre
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  Speaker 1: taping secret. Yeah. If we start to talk and get
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  Speaker 1: too involved in the topic before we start recording, usually
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  Speaker 1: one of us will be like, stop, stop, this is
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  Speaker 1: golden to save it for the podcast. We didn't do
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  Speaker 1: that this time. I think we just kind of naturally
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  Speaker 1: dis continue conversations with right. But um, you were saying
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  Speaker 1: that you are, and I don't know if you're ready
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  Speaker 1: to admit this or not this early in the episode.
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  Speaker 1: You're a little incredulous about horoscopes and astrology. Yes, okay, Um,
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  Speaker 1: I am as well. But the think the difference between
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  Speaker 1: us is you're just kind of like, come on, And
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  Speaker 1: as I was researching it more and more, I was like,
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  Speaker 1: this is really interesting. I could say here and read
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  Speaker 1: about this like all day, and now that it's been
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  Speaker 1: brought up, I'm like, I could probably do a skeptical
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  Speaker 1: but not with the aim to like destroy it, but
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  Speaker 1: just from a skeptic standpoint podcast on astrology. I think
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  Speaker 1: that that would fascinate me personally and like one day maybe,
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  Speaker 1: So Yeah, I think we we got on that because
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  Speaker 1: I was having a hard time wrapping my head around
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  Speaker 1: a couple of I'm not gonna say scientific parts, but
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  Speaker 1: a couple of the science science parts of this, and
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  Speaker 1: I kept going back to, like, cares it's not real,
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  Speaker 1: so it's hard for me to commit to the learning
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  Speaker 1: of it. And we typically have a thing where it's like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, poo poo people's beliefs. We're not really doing
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  Speaker 1: that here, but there have been a couple of occasions
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  Speaker 1: where we just kind of like this is there's just
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  Speaker 1: no way. One of them was crop circles. Yeah, um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I don't plan on poo pooing this throughout, but
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  Speaker 1: I think it's good for us to state our beliefs
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  Speaker 1: from the get go, all right, so that we don't
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  Speaker 1: mislead anybody who's who does believe in it. Well, here's
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  Speaker 1: I did. I had my astrological chart done once. Um
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  Speaker 1: you did. Yeah, I didn't like seek it out and
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  Speaker 1: pay for it. My friend's mom is really into this,
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  Speaker 1: and she asked me one time, She's like, do you
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  Speaker 1: want me to do your chart? And I went sure,
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  Speaker 1: So she did my chart and I remember looking at
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  Speaker 1: it and thinking like, wow, a lot of this, you know.
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  Speaker 1: It kind of like when you look at your sun
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  Speaker 1: sign and we'll go ahead and say that's what most
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  Speaker 1: like like when somebody says what sign are you? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: or if you read your daily horoscope, it's it's based
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  Speaker 1: on your sun sign um. I would look at things
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  Speaker 1: like that, or like my whatever my year is on
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  Speaker 1: the Chinese zodio. I can think like, oh wow, I
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  Speaker 1: am some of these things. But then I'm like, not
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  Speaker 1: about half of those things. So I just think it's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's interesting as well, but again from
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  Speaker 1: a standpoint of where I don't actually believe it's effective
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  Speaker 1: or real, but just the thought put into it. And
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  Speaker 1: Ed wrote this article the Grabster, and he makes a
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  Speaker 1: really good point saying like, even if you don't believe
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  Speaker 1: it or not getting your your chart done is interesting
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  Speaker 1: in and of itself. I think so sure. And at
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  Speaker 1: the very least, it's going to force you to be
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  Speaker 1: a little more introspective about yourself than than you normally
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  Speaker 1: would be, because you're being presented with basically like here's
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  Speaker 1: your personality according to the cosmos, and it's you can't
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  Speaker 1: help but think, what, like am I introspective? Am I
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  Speaker 1: do I set things on fire? I think anything that
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  Speaker 1: can spur self reflection is valuable in some ways. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's where interesting, Like I would go to
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  Speaker 1: a palm reader just to know what that's like, but
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't leave thinking like, oh boy, my life is
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  Speaker 1: set out for me. Yeah, exactly. You know Nancy Reagan,
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  Speaker 1: Well we'll get to that. So but spoiler, I am
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  Speaker 1: not Nancy Reagan. We we should probably say for those
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  Speaker 1: of you who are confused, they're like, how are they
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  Speaker 1: pooh pooing this? Like this is the science of of
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  Speaker 1: Nil deGrasse Tyson and Carl Sagan. I don't understand. We're
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  Speaker 1: talking about astrology, not astronomy. Um. So. Astrology is basically
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  Speaker 1: the idea um that distant objects out on the cosmos, planets, stars,
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  Speaker 1: constellations specifically have an influence on our lives and events
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  Speaker 1: on the planet. And it's very old. Um. I saw
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  Speaker 1: as far back as five thousand years ago people were
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  Speaker 1: starting to develop astrological systems. UM. I saw more frequently
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  Speaker 1: three thousand years ago with the Babylonians that Western astrology
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  Speaker 1: kind of started to develop. Should we talk about history
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  Speaker 1: a little bit? I think I finally figured out my
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  Speaker 1: beef with it. Should I hold on to that or
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  Speaker 1: should we talk about history first? That's up to you, man,
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  Speaker 1: how do you want it to play out? I just
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  Speaker 1: don't forget if you hang onto it all right, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna write beef at the top of my page. It's
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  Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna carrying yourself to shoot a duck later on. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So it's like memento. I'll come back to that. Uh
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  Speaker 1: So history, Um, we need to go back in the
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  Speaker 1: way back machine, the way way back to ancient times,
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  Speaker 1: to Babylon. Yeah, when basically people mean we are going
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  Speaker 1: back to Babylon. Basically when people were like looking around
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  Speaker 1: at everything and going, I don't get it. Why is
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  Speaker 1: all this stuff happening? Why did the earth just open
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  Speaker 1: up and swallow yishmail? Why is it raining? Why is
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  Speaker 1: it not raining? Why are the crops doing well? Are
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  Speaker 1: they doing terribly? Yeah? Why it was that sun? Uh
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  Speaker 1: up half the day and down half the day. Uh So,
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  Speaker 1: as humans started to get a little more I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about intelligent, but um, inquisitive. Inquisitive. I was about
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  Speaker 1: to say answer seeky, but inquisitive is the word for that.
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  Speaker 1: As they started to get a little more answer seeky,
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  Speaker 1: they started to make things up. Um that made them
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  Speaker 1: feel better about what was going on, Right, I mean
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  Speaker 1: they they did apply a certain measure of science too,
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  Speaker 1: which is where a lot of people who believe in
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  Speaker 1: astrology get the idea that it's scientific at some in
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  Speaker 1: some way, shape or form, because it does involve the movement,
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  Speaker 1: studying and tracking the movement of the planets and the
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  Speaker 1: constellations the cosmos, right, Yeah, And that makes a good point.
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  Speaker 1: Back then, astronomy and astrology were the same thing, right, right,
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  Speaker 1: because you took those observations astronomy and then you you
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  Speaker 1: used them to predict or explain the stuff that was
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  Speaker 1: going on here on Earth, right, which we now call astrology, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't even know what they called it
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  Speaker 1: back then. They called it reality, probably so. But it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't just the Babylonians who were doing this, Like all
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  Speaker 1: over the planet. Basically every culture that's ever lived had
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  Speaker 1: some sort of astrological system. Yeah. The Aztec and Incas
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  Speaker 1: and the mines in South America they had zodiac of
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  Speaker 1: twenty symbols, including things like earthquake and ape and rain
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  Speaker 1: and um. When they died out, they took it with them.
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  Speaker 1: Like that doesn't have any It didn't seep into modern
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  Speaker 1: forms of astrology like the Babylonians. No, no, Spanish. Jesuit
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  Speaker 1: was saying, so can you explain your astrological system to
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  Speaker 1: an inca emperor that was being tortured to death? Uh?
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  Speaker 1: What else? The Chinese, of course, they had their own
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  Speaker 1: um by a thousand BC, and they had twenty four
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  Speaker 1: divisions in a year. Yeah, they had the most complex one,
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  Speaker 1: probably of all time. Not surprising. Um, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: why that's not surprising. They're complex people. Maybe. Well, when
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  Speaker 1: I think of the zodiac, I think of the Western
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  Speaker 1: zodiac and then Chinese zodiac. Yeah, me too, And the
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  Speaker 1: only thing I knew about Chinese zodiac coming in was
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  Speaker 1: what year animal? I was what are you? From the
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  Speaker 1: menu at the Chinese restaurant? That's where I learned it too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the dog. Oh I'm a dragon? Yeah wolf? Jerry?
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  Speaker 1: Are you a cat? She just me out. That was weird.
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  Speaker 1: It was her first instant. There is a year the cat? Huh?
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  Speaker 1: That al Stewart's song are you the Year of the Fish?
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  Speaker 1: Jerry alight? Like? Jerry's said that she was the Ox
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  Speaker 1: year of the Ox. But when she out, but what
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  Speaker 1: she's called upon to do? It? Animal? Sound? I think?
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  Speaker 1: Excute it what if oxes oxen me out. Maybe an
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  Speaker 1: ox that was raised by cats and it imprinted might
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  Speaker 1: learn to me out. I think that's what Jerry was saying.
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  Speaker 1: This is getting silly, and the horoscope points getting silly.
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  Speaker 1: It is is there gas leaking in? Uh? One of
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  Speaker 1: our events that I don't know about? Um? Alright, So
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  Speaker 1: back to china UM twenty four divisions twenty eight part
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  Speaker 1: lunar zodiac and then the twelve branches that correspond to
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  Speaker 1: the animal, and then those animals have further subdivisions. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: like you could be a fire dog or a water dragon, right,
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  Speaker 1: which we'll get to that stuff in a minute too. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't know that you could be like an
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  Speaker 1: elemental animal. I thought it was just straight up animal.
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  Speaker 1: I did not know that either. Yeah. Like that's one
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  Speaker 1: thing about astrology. No matter what system you're looking at,
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  Speaker 1: there's like, oh, there's this one layer and then let's
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  Speaker 1: add this other layer and another layer and another layer.
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  Speaker 1: That's so fascinates me. It's just the thought that's going
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  Speaker 1: into it. Sure. What about Babylon though, what do you mean? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, ohh that's like the origin of the Western Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and here's where it becomes painfully obvious that astrology can't
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  Speaker 1: possibly be correct or real. Yeah, I know what you're
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  Speaker 1: about to say. So our idea of the constellations here
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  Speaker 1: in the West came from the ancient Babylonian people and
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  Speaker 1: astronomers and astrologers who looked up and they said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: Mars is red, so blood can be read, so Mars
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  Speaker 1: is probably associated with war. Right. They just kind of
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  Speaker 1: just made that up. They made it up, and that
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  Speaker 1: is fundamentally the basis of astrology. Stuff that was made
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  Speaker 1: up by the Babylonians can't possibly be true. It's just
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  Speaker 1: basically a fact. The other big thing is the Babylonians
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  Speaker 1: divided the zodiac into twelve equal parts. But um, according
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  Speaker 1: to their own stories, there were thirteen constellations in the zodiac.
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  Speaker 1: So they just picked one and left it out, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: which is choose. I like how you said that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, man, I've never tried to say that out loud.
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  Speaker 1: O p h I U c h U s. It's
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  Speaker 1: like the hidden zodiac symbol, well not hidden. They just
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  Speaker 1: kind of said, twelve kind of works out better, so
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  Speaker 1: let's just leave it out. Yeah, and if the Babylonians
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  Speaker 1: prove anything. It's that for thousands of years, humans have
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  Speaker 1: always preferred things to be nice and tidy and neat.
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  Speaker 1: They don't like it to be messy because if you
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  Speaker 1: really look at what they were trying to do, it's
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  Speaker 1: super messy. So, for example, if you are dividing the
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  Speaker 1: night sky into twelve trying to assign a month to
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  Speaker 1: each horoscope, you've got constellations slopping over into other um
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  Speaker 1: zodiac signs UM. The the actual movement of the constellations
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  Speaker 1: behind the sun uh is way less than a thirty
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  Speaker 1: day standard. Yeah. I think Scorpio is actually in line
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  Speaker 1: with the sun for about seven days out of the year,
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  Speaker 1: whereas Um, one of one of the other ones is
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  Speaker 1: around for like forty five days, I believe. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we even said what that means, though,
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  Speaker 1: maybe where we should? We should start from the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: shall we? We got the history down? Yeah? Do you
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  Speaker 1: want to take a break first? Uh? Yeah, why not?
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  Speaker 1: I'll go check my horscope and see if it says
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  Speaker 1: we should continue. Okay, Well, lucky for us, the horroscope
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  Speaker 1: said finished show, It said ask again later, Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: said finished show the magic take it easy, on me. Yeah, hey,
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  Speaker 1: layoff jerks. I had even resolved to not poo poo astrology.
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  Speaker 1: I think the first thing I did was launched into it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm are astrology, so we should get to the basics
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  Speaker 1: of all this, and um, we will this. There's two
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  Speaker 1: things that we have to point out. One, we would
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  Speaker 1: have to spend years researching astrology to really get everything right. Yes. Too,
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  Speaker 1: even if we spent years researching astrology, we would still
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  Speaker 1: get stuff wrong depending on who you are, because there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of contradictory things like, for example, I saw
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  Speaker 1: that the moon is a fire sign. Also saw that
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  Speaker 1: the moon is associated with water. How is that? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think there's just been so many permutations over the
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  Speaker 1: years that it's you know, been kind of mixed together. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so we are going to get things that will contradict
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  Speaker 1: your understanding of astrology, I'm quite sure. But for the
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  Speaker 1: most part, I feel like if we're sticking to the
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  Speaker 1: basics of it, we can get it fairly right. Right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean the most basic thing is sun sign astrology,
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  Speaker 1: which is really just seeing where each planet was when
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  Speaker 1: you were born the day you were born. That's the
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  Speaker 1: most simplistic way to look at it, right, and when
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  Speaker 1: you ask somebody what's your sign? What's your sign? See
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  Speaker 1: piss okay, I'm cancer. All that's saying is that on
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  Speaker 1: the date of our births, the Pisces constellation allegedly was
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  Speaker 1: behind the sun as it rose, right, and when I
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  Speaker 1: was born, the Cancer constellation was behind the sun when
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  Speaker 1: it rose, and the I like to think the sunshine
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  Speaker 1: a little brighter when we were born, but probably I
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  Speaker 1: can't prove that, no, but you can just make a
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  Speaker 1: pretty good assumption. So um. The way that you do
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  Speaker 1: this is you basically take the Sun and the Earth
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  Speaker 1: in its orbit around the Sun, which equals a year,
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  Speaker 1: and you draw a line, an arrow even from the
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  Speaker 1: Earth and may put it flat, lay it flat. I
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  Speaker 1: forgot to say that, uh, And you make it. You
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  Speaker 1: draw an arrow from the Earth through the Sun and
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  Speaker 1: then out the other side of the Sun. And where
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  Speaker 1: of the arrows pointing, which is actually what the opposite
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  Speaker 1: side of the Sun, opposite to Earth, whatever constellation that is,
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  Speaker 1: that's your son. Right. Pretty simple stuff, right, So you
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  Speaker 1: can think of the if if you've thought of a
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  Speaker 1: circle around each if you looked at it as a circle,
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  Speaker 1: each sign would be its own little zone zone exactly.
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  Speaker 1: A pizza slice, a pie slice, whatever. If you have
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  Speaker 1: a sweet tooth or a salty tooth, you're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: with either one of those. What about cake? I guess
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  Speaker 1: a cake too. Are you cake or pie both? Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 1: What's your favorite cake? I like a good coconut cream
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  Speaker 1: cake or coconut frosting cake. I like, um, it's your
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  Speaker 1: favorite pie? Probably you can cream pie. No, actually that
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  Speaker 1: sounds gross. I would say a key like a good
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  Speaker 1: key lime pie. But does cheesecake constitute pie? I think
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  Speaker 1: you've just opened up a hornet's nest. Well, I love cheesecake. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: I don't really discriminate. I've learned. I recently started trying
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  Speaker 1: cherry pie, and I was like, where have you been
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  Speaker 1: my whole life? Why did I ever discriminate against? You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just been sitting there in the pie safe, rotting
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  Speaker 1: because no one eats cherry pie anymore. Yeah, and then
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  Speaker 1: I came along and ate all the rotten cherry pie
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  Speaker 1: and loved it all right. What about you cake pie? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I love the good key lime pies like you were saying,
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  Speaker 1: But um, I don't eat a lot of either. You know,
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  Speaker 1: and just keep like cake and pie around the house.
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  Speaker 1: It's probably a good And I don't really eat dessert
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  Speaker 1: in the restaurants either, um, so just neither. Probably more cake,
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  Speaker 1: just because cakes are the occasion dessert, like people bringing
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  Speaker 1: cake for birthdays or whatever. Any any like Publix cake
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  Speaker 1: is awesome. There's standard cake with cream icing. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I never had it. Oh, chuck, I'll bring your slice
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  Speaker 1: like a good peacan pie. Eat the pecan now. But
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  Speaker 1: I used to not like the nuts. I would just
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  Speaker 1: slice that off because I like the jelly. You'd get
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  Speaker 1: rid of the candy pecans. Yeah, but I don't now
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  Speaker 1: because now I'm growing up. Okay, just eat the jelly man,
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  Speaker 1: pecan pie, pumpkin pie. Sure, all right, I'm going all
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  Speaker 1: in on pie now that I think about it. Okay, pie,
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  Speaker 1: all right, Okay, wait till you try the public's cake. Though.
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  Speaker 1: Where are we? Oh? Sorry? We were talking about how slices, right,
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  Speaker 1: and each of one of those slices one of the
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  Speaker 1: twelve constellations of the zodiac. Right, Okay, So wherever wherever
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  Speaker 1: the Earth, whatever constellation is opposite the Earth on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the Sun, that's your sun sign. And
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  Speaker 1: when you were born. That constellation has a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: different personality traits and they are basically imbued onto you.
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  Speaker 1: You were born under that sign, which means you're going
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  Speaker 1: to have those personality traits. That's the point of what's
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  Speaker 1: called the sun sign. That's right um in Western astrology.
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  Speaker 1: There you can subdivide it into three groups. Mundane astrology,
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  Speaker 1: and this is basically what what is your aim uh
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  Speaker 1: with these Mundane astrology is examines world events and makes
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: predictions about big things like the economy and war. Interrogatory
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: astrology it seeks to make predictions very specific ones or
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: analyzes for events or your life maybe like for you
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: the individual. Yeah. More like you say, it's like when
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you when somebody says they'll consult the stars to see
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: what the best course of action is. That's what they're
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: talking about, which seems like it overlaps with uh the
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: last one. I think all three of them could definitely, Like,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: if you're doing like a serious chart to figure out
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: something a deep dive you you would probably do all three.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: So what would that be? Natal astrology uh and birth astrology. Yeah,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: and that's when you read your daily horoscope. Uh. And
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: that's based on the idea that every thing that happens
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: to someone is expressed by the very beginning, like that
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: moment you were born, right, But ironically, the moment you're born,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: not the moment you were conceived. So really that's when
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: the astrology starts, not the moment you were conceived, but
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the moment you were born. Right. But the idea, this
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: law of beginning says that the moment you're born, the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: stars basically make everything in your life predestined and therefore
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: predictable if the person knows how to read the stars correctly.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: That's the basis of astrology. Yeah, and then what you
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: would come up with these predictions this chart that is
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: your horoscope. That's right, and then uh, there are different
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: um the signs that can be subgrouped into four elements
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: you've heard of, Like I'm a water sign, your water sign.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Sure we're both water signs. How about that? Yeah, so
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: fire sign that would be Aries Leo, Sagittarius h enthusiasm, action, leadership,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: open to change water signs. Besides cancer and Pisces, you've
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: get Scorpio um emotion, sensitivity and compassion or signs Taurus Virgo, Capricorn, practicality,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: and to focus on material goals. And then air signs
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: jim and I libra inaquarius into signifies intellect, and those
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: are the big groupings, the elemental groupings. Right, So here
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: we've kind of come up with another layer, right, like
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: since each each sign on its own has its own
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: qualities like for example, um, the cancer is very domestic, imaginative,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: thorough shy, interested in the past, and tradition. That's me
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: all over? Is it really all those things? Yeah, basically, um.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: But the then you lay over the water sign, right,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: that it's a water sign, So that adds to the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: emotion or the sensitivity or the compassion of it. That
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: the where it really starts to get interesting is the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: idea that there's a relationship between mean, the element in
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the sign and those are with the cardinal fixed or mutable. Um, right,
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: whether or not you're resistant to change, you're able to change,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: or what's cardinal just general movement. Cardinal is that it moves, right.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: So so these three things, it's like a whole other layer.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: And and basically, um, so they have to do with
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the solstices and the equinoxes. We should say there's a
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: couple of kinds of Western astrology. One is sidereal, which
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: follows the movement of the stars, so your birth sign
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: is sidereal astrology. There's another one called tropical that really
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: just has nothing to do with the stars. It's the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: idea that around the in the cosmos, the zodiac is
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: fixed and it really has nothing to do with the stars.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: It has to do with the sun's relative position to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the horizon, so it has to do with things like
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: solstices and equinoxes. So when you go into the tropic
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: goal um type of astrology, that's when the cardinal fixed
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: a mutable comes up, so a cardinal sign. Right, each
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: element has a cardinal sign, so there's four cardinal signs,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: and for example, cancer is the cardinal water sign. Right.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Each element also has four fixed signs, so Leo is
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the fixed fire sign. That has to do with like persistence, perseverance,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: resistance to change. And then lastly, mutable means you're flexible, adaptable, suggestible,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: and Gemini is a mutable air sign. There's four different
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: mutable airsigns, right, So you put them all together, and
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: what you have is in our interaction between the elements
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and the signs themselves, so that you have sometimes contradictory stuff.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: You have things that enhance other things, but it's yet
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: another layer. So now you have three layers deep of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: interpretations of just the signs, and it's up to an
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: astrologer to um ex extract whatever however they want to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: read it. Basically, like Ed makes a point, you can
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: ask a hundred different astrologers to look at your your
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: chart and they might give you a hundred different readings. Yeah,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: because it's ultimately the astrologers interpretation of the information that's
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: presented by these the signs and whether they're cardinal or
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: fixture mutable, or what element they are. Right, Well, they
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: can also be masculine or feminine, which Ed points out
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: is not really that can't think of in terms of gender.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: It's more like the concept of yin and yang, which
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: makes a little more sense. But when I look at
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: mine Pisces February twenty to March um mutable water feminine. Okay,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: so that's where I am. Emotional, sure, self sacrificing, sometimes, adaptable,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: sometimes empathetic, almost always religious, not anymore versatile, Yeah, sure,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: talkative sometimes you get paid for it. Yeah, when sometimes
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I'm really quiet though, don't want to talk okay, you know,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: but that goes against all astrology often takes on the
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: behaviors of others. I don't know about that. Creative, I hope. Impractical, No,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty practical. So like, but more like half and
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: half maybe would you say half? I feel like you did,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: or maybe more? Maybe that sounds about right all right,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: but even still, I mean, that doesn't prove anything, no,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: of course not. But it did just get you to
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: think about yourself exactly. That's the whole point, right from
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: what I understand. That's how it tells you. So you've
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: got all these different layers to just your just the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: sign that you were born under, right, yes, but there's
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: even there's even deeper layers to the whole thing. Right,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: that has to do with the movement of the constellations
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: or the movement of the sun. Um. And it also
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: has to do with more than just the sign you
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: were born under. Like when you sit down and you
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: do and astro a lot gical chart, you um, you're
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: you're basically looking at the position of everything that's take
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: into into account in the cosmos, rather than just where
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: the constellation, what constellation was behind the someone you were born. Well,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: we're going to dive even deeper into this stuff after
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: this message break. So Chuck, we're talking about how we've
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: got like the fixed layers, right, and then depending on
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: when you were born, where you're born, there's a lot
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: of stuff to take into account. And with the wind
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: meaning like literally the minute yes and second yeah, because um,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: one of the zodiacs, uh, well, the houses when you
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: add this other layer, the houses of the zodiac, which
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: are the same thing as the zodiac signs, but they're
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: different in this case, they represent the twenty four hour
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: movement of the Earth on its axis. Um. So now
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: you have the added layer of time, yeah, to the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to the moment that you were born, um, to to
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: create a genuine like astrology chart. So not only you're
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: taking into account time and your sun sign, but you
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: also want to look around if you're a good astrologer,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: and say, okay, where was the moon, what house was
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: the was venus in? And you start to you start
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: to basically go through and find the position of every planet,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: including the Sun in the moon. Um, and the moon
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: are considered planets right as far as astrology goes. Right,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: And then when you put all this stuff together, there's
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a huge extremely complex interplay between all these different um
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: components that are all supposed to point to the person
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: that you were born as. Right, That's this is where
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I think I should say my beef now, I think
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: it's a good time for that. My beef is that
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: I couldn't find anywhere. And this is me looking for
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: science where there is none. Is why, like the position
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of the stars and they all affect who you are
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: and uh and and what you're gonna be Like all right,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: well explain that to me. How does it do that? Oh? Yeah,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: that's what forces, what scientific forces are behind this zero
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: that caused this? Like, I get what you're saying. People,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: The stars are aligned and these things are all in
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a certain place and you're gonna be a certain way.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, how does it do that? It doesn't.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: That's where that's my beef. So I mean that's a
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: legitimate beef. Um, there's no how, No, there's not. Yeah,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: there's none. I guess I'm not hung up on that fact.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I think I just kind of accept it. And it's
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: almost like coming upon uh and the belief system of
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: another culture. Yeah, it's like I don't subscribe to it,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: but I'm interested in like what what they believe and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: how it applies to their life. But that doesn't mean
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: that I believe in it. I'm just I'm just kind
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: of interested in in an academic sense. Yeah, yeah, well
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you're we're curious people, so I get that, right, Just
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: so get hung up on the fact that it doesn't
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: actually work, and you'll you'll be interested in I promise now.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting. And I used to read
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: my horoscope here and there just for fun, just the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: same way I look at a fortune cookie. Um, it's
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: just a parlor trick. That to me though it's not.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: But I think an astrologer even if they even if
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: they said, fine, you don't believe in it, that's fine,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: But this is more than a parlor trick, Like they're
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: really sitting down and applying this. It takes a tremendous
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: amount of time calculation, Um, a certain measure of of science.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: You have to understand astronomy at least, because you have
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: to go figure out when someone was born where, what
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: was where right? And so when you're sitting down and
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: doing your chart, you were born Pisces right, So the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Pisces constellation was behind the sun, but where was Saturn.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And why would Saturn matter? Well, Saturn is a melancholy planet.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: So if Saturn is in a house associated with happiness, um,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: you might have a thread of bitter sweetness that runs
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: through your whole life. That might be one interpretation of it.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Or you might be happy sometimes and sad sometimes maybe
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: just every person ever, sure, I mean yeah, definitely. And
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: again I'm not explaining how this works. I'm saying like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: this is what an astrologer would would sit down and think,
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: or um, Mars is warlike? Well, if Mars was in um,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know, a house associated with aggressiveness, you might
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: get in to fight your whole life, according to this
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: astrology chart. So that's just each planet. Right, Let's say
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: that you have Mars in a an aggressive house and
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you have Saturn in a happy house. How did those
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: interact with each other? How does that getting in fights
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: all the time? Uh? Interact with the bitter sweetness that
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: runs through your life. And that's open to interpretation as well.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: And that's where the astrology I think I was saying
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: astrologist earlier. Is that even a word? I think? So? Okay,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: it doesn't seem it seems like I've heard that before
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: well at anyway, that's where they come into play, yes,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: with their varying interpretations, but not just the interpretations. They're
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: actually going to sit down and figure out what was where,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: what that means according to the astrological tradition, and then
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the third step is for them to um interpret it
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: for you, you know what I mean. So, I mean
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: there is a tremendous amount of work to it from
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: what I can tell, for a genuine astrological chart. Your
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: friend's mom hooked you up when you were yeah, I
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: mean she didn't dash it off in five minutes. Tell
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: you that that was math involved in angles and stuff.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: So the main thing you're getting if you're looking at
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: like a newspaper or if you have if you're sign
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: up for some sort of internet daily horoscope, is it's
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: usually some sort of personality profile, advice on your life. Uh,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: maybe some sort of um map. Two for finances you
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: might want to think about, you know, investing soon. That's
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: where people probably get in trouble um. But it's pretty
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: much personal advice stuff, not so much long term future
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: type of thing, not like predicting your future necessarily. Well,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: they do to the extent of like you'll have a
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: so so day to day. Yeah, yeah, today will be
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: rather unremarkable, Yeah, or like a lot of times it
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: can be. I think it's it's like, you know, today
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: might be a good day to reach out to an
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: old friend, and if you follow that advice, then that's
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: great because your old friend probably would want to hear
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: from you. And then you have lunch with that friend
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: and it goes great, and you might say, we'll see there.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: My my horoscope said to reach out to an old
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: friend and it went awesome, or if it went really horribly,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: you'd be like, why are you punishing these stars? Yeah?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Or what if you get killed on the way to
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: the lunch? You don't hear those stories. No, But that's
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the great thing about astrology. It removes personal responsibility from
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: your decision. That's funny, And I should say also, I
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: wanna I want to like there are even more layers
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: to the whole thing than what I what I said,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I thought, I hope we kind of got the point
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: across that there's layer upon layer upon layer and they
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: all interact with one another. But I mean, like in
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: a good astrologer will take into account like whether planet
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: was in retrograde and what that means when you were
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: born you know, um or if it's in retrograde right now. Um,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: there's just so much to it. I think that's what
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: fascinates me. Well, it makes a good point. Uh, if
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: this is a true science, then it should have it
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: should pass the muster of the of repeatable testing, which
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: of course it doesn't know. Um no, it really really doesn't.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: But some other people might say, you know what this is,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: it's beyond science. This is you shouldn't try and quantify
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: in terms of science. This is something that you can't
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you can't even understand it. Your puny science cannot explain this,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: this outside that realm to something that we don't know
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: and understand. And hey, I'm a science guy, but I'm
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: not foolish enough to think there isn't anything out there
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: that I maybe I don't know about or we can't
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: prove it's very healthy. You know, my hat is off
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: to you, your fort Ian and you don't even know it. Seriously,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: that's like to me, that's the the pinnacle of what
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: a thinking person can aspire to. Well, I think that's
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: when you stop looking, when you think that we you know,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: we've got it all figured out, you know, especially when
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you aggressively attack other people who say otherwise. Well, yeah,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: that's if this conversation is floating your vocalists in the
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Enlightenment episode, that was good. That was a good one.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I had a lot to do with that. They have
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: done studies though, on the viability of astrology as far
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: as you know, are are you could do divorce rates um?
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Are they compatible or do they comply with um or
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: correlate with the compatibility of two people? Astrologically speaking, they don't. Yes,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: you know, they're supposedly interaction amongst the signs where like
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you know, virgos don't get along with um, Capricorn or
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah, and that doesn't hold up through
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: scientific study, And if you cherry pick examples in your life,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: of course you might think it does. Well. Yeah, that's
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: why a lot of people are like, astrology is right.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: It's a selection bias, is what you're encountering. You're ignoring
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the stuff that disproves it or that suggests that it's
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: not true, and instead just focusing on the amazing facts
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: where it lines up right right. That's a selection bias, correct,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I think? So I need to know more about all
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: the different biases. It's interesting we should say another thing
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: that kind of suggests that astrology is not accurate. The
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: zodiac signs are no longer where they're supposed to be
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: if you're going by your birth date. For example, I
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: was born to life fifteen, so I would be a
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: cancer if you actually follow the constellations. I'm I'm a Gemini.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Never knew that. So Geminis are um concerned with information,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: highly literate, curious, adaptable, absent minded, love to travel. I
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: am a Gemini. So the reason why is because when
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: astrology was first created them the earth, the constellations were
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: lined up with where they were originally. As the Earth rotate,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: it's on his access at wobbles over the last couple
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: of thousand years. It's wobbled so that those constellations are
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: no longer where they were when they set them three
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: thousand years ago. So today we have totally different um,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: totally different signs. What would mind be? Can can figured
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: that out? So you were born in the IDEs of March,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: you're still a Pisces man, I'm sorry, no, I love it.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I am uh now I am now a Gemini because
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: it got moved so Let's let's go through because I
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people don't know this, and NASA
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: blogged about it a couple of years ago and really
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: caused a stir um. Is Jerry still a cat ox? Jerry?
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Jerry's Birthday's April something? Right, Jerry's birthday is what's your birthday?
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Your birthday's Valentine's Day. I didn't know that. Jerry just
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: said her birthday is February fourteenth, because we have to
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: edit out any Jerry talk, right, Jerry, what are supposed
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: to be normally? You are a Capricorn. You are January
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: twenty to February six As far as NASA is concerned,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: you're a Capricorn. So it starts and we should say
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think we said this, but the zodiac officially
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: in the West starts with aries and moves on um.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: So starting with Capricorn because NASA is like, now we're
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: gonna start with the beginning of the year, Capricorn January
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: twenty to February six. Okay, Aquarius is now February sixteenth
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: to March eleventh. And you'll notice these aren't necessarily thirty
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: day period. Yeah, you were, uh Pisces March eleventh to
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: April eighteenth. Aries April eighteenth to May tourists May thirteenth
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  Speaker 1: of June twenty one. It's a long one, uh. Jemini
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  Speaker 1: June to July twenty that's me now, cancer July twenty August.
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  Speaker 1: I used to be a cancer Leo August tenth to
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  Speaker 1: September six. Virgo September Sixteber Libra October November, Scorpio November nine.
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  Speaker 1: That's six days. You've got six days to be a scorpio.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of neat uh oh fucus, Yeah, the long
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  Speaker 1: Forgotten November nine, December. Crazy. There's people out there don't
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  Speaker 1: even know that they're that signed yeah, or how to
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  Speaker 1: pronounce it right? No one does. No one alive knows
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  Speaker 1: how to pronounce that. Uh. And then Sagittarius December sevente
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  Speaker 1: to January. Wow, I don't even know anything anymore. No,
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  Speaker 1: no one does, Chuck. I think this is fascinating stuff
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  Speaker 1: that I've been thinking a lot lately about what does
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  Speaker 1: shape your personality and what you become in life as
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  Speaker 1: far as nature and nurture, and some people might throw
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  Speaker 1: this in there. I think we should totally do a
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  Speaker 1: podcast on birth order. Oh Yeah, that's a good one,
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  Speaker 1: super fascinating to me. Or whether, um, whether hearing your
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  Speaker 1: name or the vibrations caused by saying your own name
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  Speaker 1: throughout your life has an effect on your personality. What
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  Speaker 1: have you heard that one? Yeah? Supposedly the vibrations are
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  Speaker 1: the frequency made from hearing and saying your own name
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  Speaker 1: throughout your life makes your makes your personality a certain one. Weird. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's probably not true, but it's interesting. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we tease Ronald Reagan earlier. Well, we didn't tease Ronald Reagan.
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  Speaker 1: We did, but we can't talk about astrology without talking
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about the Reagan administration because uh in
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: nine uh Ron and Nancy were uh out. It's sort
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  Speaker 1: of exposed. Yeah, as is having an astrologer on the
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  Speaker 1: payroll to the tune of about how much three grand
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  Speaker 1: grand per what reading a month? Three grand a month?
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  Speaker 1: It's not bad. No, this lady was working hard, Joan
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  Speaker 1: quickly down under certain nickname medicine woman, and it was
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  Speaker 1: revealed that she uh wrote up star charts uh and
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  Speaker 1: basically detailed even down to the minute. Supposedly, depending on
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  Speaker 1: who you listen to, what Reagan's schedule should look like right,
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  Speaker 1: So this lady was definitely doing mundane interrogatory and natal
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  Speaker 1: astrology combined to create a chart. Yes, for sure. And
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  Speaker 1: Chief of staff Don Reagan wrote in his memoir Um,
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  Speaker 1: I mean he, I mean, this is is not a
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  Speaker 1: matter of debate or anything. No, this is for for real.
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  Speaker 1: But Don Regan wrote in his memoirs, and he talked about, um,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: you know, capturing the public's attention like that was a
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  Speaker 1: big deal because it looked like what was going on
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  Speaker 1: was going on, which was that his schedule was kind
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  Speaker 1: of being determined by an astrologistloger, like, you can't talk
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  Speaker 1: to Gorby today, this is a bad day to propose
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  Speaker 1: the Salt treaty. Wait until you know novem. That's when
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  Speaker 1: you Mr. Gorby. And then Don Reagan would be told
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  Speaker 1: by Nancy, uh, he he should be talking to Gorbion
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  Speaker 1: because she would meet with Nancy only met ron once supposedly,
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  Speaker 1: um and and Nancy downplayed it a lot, of course,
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  Speaker 1: they all tried to distance well. They said it was
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  Speaker 1: more of a hobby and and she definitely had no
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  Speaker 1: impact on decisions. It was really just about scheduling, that's
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: what they said. Scheduling decisions. But she wrote a book actually, uh,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: miss Quigley in it was called this is the most
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  Speaker 1: on the nose book title of all time. It was
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  Speaker 1: called what does Jones say? Colin my seven years as
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  Speaker 1: White House astrologer to Nancy and Ronald Reagan, by me,
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  Speaker 1: do you get it? Um? And she said a quote.
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  Speaker 1: I was responsible for timing all press conferences, most speeches.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: The State of the Union addresses the takeoffs and landings
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  Speaker 1: of Air Force one. I picked the time of Ronald
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  Speaker 1: Reagan's debate with Jimmy Carter and the two debates with Mondale,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: all extended trips abroad as well as shorter trips and
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: one day excursions. End quote. Yeah, um, so yes, the
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  Speaker 1: leader of the free world, arguably the most powerful American
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  Speaker 1: president in recent memory, had his schedule determined by an astrologer.
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  Speaker 1: So weird. I got a couple more things, all right,
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  Speaker 1: what you got? So? Um? Apparently Americans around the time
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: of Reagan had hit like basically a low in believing
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  Speaker 1: in astrology. They were They did a poll after that
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: that news came out, and they found that American belief
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: overall in astrology um was a twelve, which is down
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: from this is an eight eight, which is down from
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: ten years before, which makes total sense, like coming off
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  Speaker 1: of the the hippie age and the goofy seventies into
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: the very like kind of cynical late eighties. Uh, it
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  Speaker 1: aligns perfectly right the stars. So somebody forgot to send
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Nancy and Ron that memo. So in two thousand and four,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: another poll found that it had gone back up to
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: no idea why and then another poll I saw that
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: asked something different rather than do you believe in astrology? Asked, um,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: would you say that astrology is quote not at all scientific?
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  Speaker 1: In two thousand and four, sixty six percent of Americans
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: said that in two not scientific, so basically they don't
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: believe in astrology six and then in two twelve um
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: percent said that, So apparently belief in astrology is still
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: on the increase. Interesting, Even more interesting, in China of
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: the public says they don't believe in astrology compared to
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: about fort here. And then lastly, I have one more
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  Speaker 1: story ready, and there's actually a blog post you can
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  Speaker 1: go recalled the Genius Mural at St. John's. Okay you yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's from years back, but I just came across the
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: story is amazing. There's this place called St. John's Anglican
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  Speaker 1: Church's in Lunenburg, Nova Scotia and Um. It was built
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: in seventeen fifty four and it was built with a
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: mural on the ceiling of the night sky with gilded stars.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: And they were remodeling the church and they wanted to
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: redo the mural right recreated exactly as it had been.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: But they realized they didn't have any dead on photographs
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: of it, so they had to kind of like figure
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: out what to do. So they hired an astronomer and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: he started poking around into it and he realized that
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: the mural, which had been constructed in seventeen fifty four,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: was the exact scene of the night sky over Lunenburg
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: on December one, which is in the Christian tradition, is
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the night Christ was born. Somebody in seventeen fifty four
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: accurately calculated what this guy had looked like fifty four
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  Speaker 1: years before on December and turned it into a mural.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that amazing? Amazing? I love that story. Pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: So that's astrology and what's the name of that story,
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  Speaker 1: The genius Genius mural at St. John's. Nice thanks man,
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  Speaker 1: Are you got anything else? Nope. I can talk about
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: this all day. Are you sure? I think we did
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  Speaker 1: right by it. If you want to know more about astrology,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: go read Joan Quigley's book. And since I said Joan quickly,
• 46:33
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• 46:38
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• 46:42
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• 47:00
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• 47:03
  Speaker 1: read away too much of the fan fiction and new
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: way too many characters, uh, too many of the character names.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I wanted to share a fact I thought was interesting
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: about the Kinner toys and two of the Bounty Hunter
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: characters seen in an Empire strikes Back. Kinner went originally
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: packaging the characters mislabeled for loam. I'm probably not even
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: pronouncing that right. Uh. For the number four dash l
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: O M originally the droid and zook us Zu c
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: k Uss originally the bug looking guy and switched their names.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: How that somebody got fired for that? Do you believe it?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: The name is stuck in until and you can see
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: on newer packaging of the Hasbro toys that their names
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: have been switched back. I always thought it was interesting
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: and interesting mishap. Thanks for all you guys do, and
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  Speaker 1: sadly I'm not him. Wow? How great would that be? Man?
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• 48:12
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