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Dune: Part Two · The Art of Costume Podcast

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  Jacqueline was looking at the camera, the infrared camera and
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  the costume skip coming up as white, and everyone's wearing
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  black and she's like, I don't know what to do.
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  And the cinematographer actually was like, I don't freaking know
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  either, you know? So he ended up setting up a
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  station outside of Jacqueline's shop where they could test all
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  these costumes. Hello and welcome to the Art of
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  Costume podcast. I'm Eliza Joy Glass.
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  And I'm the Lisa now. Gayib Spencer.
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  Maddie Williams. What's up, Elizabeth?
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  Oh, you know, Spencer trying to survive out here.
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  It's so good to see you. I haven't seen you in a hot
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  minute. It has been a hot minute.
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  You you texted me about recording Dune the other day and
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  I was like, Oh yeah, that's something we have to do.
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  I was like, hello, do you Remember Me?
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  We have a podcast. Miss Peter, Costume designer.
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  Hey I I've been going through it this past two weeks.
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  I let me just say on behalf of everyone listening to the
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  podcast, we're all just super stoked for you doing all this
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  costume design work. I'm thrilled, honestly.
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  So if you gotta take a day off or two, you do it because this
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  is what you this is what you need to be doing.
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  Thank you. Appreciate.
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  It with that being said, how's it going?
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  It's going, it's going. Would have gone better if I
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  didn't get sick, but you know. Yeah, I'm guessing you don't
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  have like a substitute teacher type situation when you're a
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  costume designer. No, no, no.
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  It's just me. I've got.
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  I've gotten a little bit of help, but yeah, not enough.
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  Yeah, I mean, you know, you're killing it.
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  You've been sick. I've been sick.
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  This is the first time on a podcast where I'm not sick and
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  Elizabeth's spent under the weather 'cause I feel like I'm
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  sick every other episode, honestly.
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  Yeah, you like. You're definitely someone who,
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  like, you just log on sometimes and I'm like, oh, he's got a
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  little something. Yeah, I step outside and I get a
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  fever and body aches, honestly so.
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  And I'm happy to see that you're alive after the the earthquake
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  that ravaged your your side of the country yesterday.
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  I know, yeah. I was standing.
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  I was standing in my kitchen and I felt it like roll through our
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  house. And we've had a lot of story
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  weather, a lot of rain, a lot of coastal flood warnings and a lot
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  of wind and fun fact about Pennsylvania, we get tornadoes.
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  So my first thought was not like, oh, we had an earthquake.
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  I was like, is there a tornado? Do I have to like, do I have to
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  be worried? And I just waited for a second.
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  I didn't hear a train. So I was like, I think we're
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  good and just went about my day. And then my mom was like, there
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  was an earthquake. And I was like, that's what that
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  one. I gotta be honest, I thought
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  earthquakes can't happen on the East Coast.
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  Am I am I wrong for thinking this?
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  I just, I don't. I don't know.
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  This could happen. They're very rare, but they do
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  happen. I've only like while I know I
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  have been in earthquakes in California, the only earthquakes
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  I've experienced have been over here.
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  Oh, that's so weird. Yeah.
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  I've been a California person my whole life, so I mean, I sleep
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  through earthquakes at this point, unless it's like a really
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  crazy one. But yeah, that's that's weird.
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  Well, glad to see that you're alive, and I hope the rebuilding
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  process goes well. I've I think I've confidence I
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  think we'll I think we'll be OK. Well, since the last time we
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  talked, Daniel and Chloe were in town.
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  That's one reason why we haven't talked in a little bit.
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  So they were in town. We got to go to Disneyland,
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  'cause that's kind of like our thing.
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  We had a good time. Took a little promenade through
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  to Huntington Gardens, which was lovely.
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  You know, it's a quick trip, but I got to meet Daniel's family.
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  They're all so lovely. They're all, Daniel's family is
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  all super similar. They all look the same, kind of
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  like the same mannerisms. It's really funny you guys see
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  it. It's.
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  A family bull. Daniels.
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  Yeah, it's like a, you know, Eddie Murphy situation where he
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  plays like every single character at the dinner table.
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  Sounds fascinating. But everyone's super nice.
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  It's super funny. Daniel's really super funny.
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  And then last night I was out a Miss Lauryn Hill concert, so I
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  can't really hear out of my right ear.
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  So yeah, yeah, yeah, you. Had four seats.
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  I was like, Spencer was having a great time.
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  Yo, I need to take care of myself when, you know, not many
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  of us were working last year, me being one of them.
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  I worked on a podcast, but not so much in my everyday job.
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  And I missed so many good concerts, Miss Lauryn Hill and
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  The Fugees being one of them. And she's been like, well, my
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  bucket list concerts. And I just randomly saw the
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  other day it was like, oh, we're doing a show in Ontario, CA,
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  which is, you know, not exactly where I go to concerts, but it's
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  closer to my hometown in the high desert.
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  And I was like, hell yeah, made it out there.
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  Got myself a floor seat, a little drinky drink.
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  And I just partied with this, this lovely, this, like senior
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  citizen couple that was like double dating next to me.
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  And I made friends with them and partied my ass off with them to
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  some Miss Lauren Hill. It was a good.
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  Time. Fun.
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  That's fun. Oh, I'm so happy for you.
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  Thank you. Yeah, it was fun.
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  It's good. I just miss going to concerts.
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  I love live music. I know, I I wish I went to more
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  concerts. I missed Hozier.
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  Like he's like one of my bucket list.
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  Concerts. This last album was killer.
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  Anyways, so excited to be back before we get into our episode.
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  Elizabeth, we got a Apple Podcast review that we get to
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  read what we got. One that's like Christmas Eve
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  over here, All right? K Power Gaming said.
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  The Art of Costume podcast is fantastic.
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  I just found it courtesy of a comment made on another podcast
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  and now I'm obsessed. I have so many episodes of Binge
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  and I'm thrilled to do it. And they gave us five stars, of
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  course. Thank.
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  You. Thank you.
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  That's so kind. I just happened to check the
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  other day and my heart skipped out of my chest.
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  I was so excited. So.
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  Gosh, that's. So nice.
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  So to everyone else, if you want to read your reviews, feel free
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  to drop your own on Apple Podcast 'cause it really does
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  help us get noticed. Plus, it also just makes our
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  hearts warm, cause sometimes it feels like we're just talking to
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  the Void. So yeah.
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  Then I'm just Army and Spencer are just recording our
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  conversation. Yeah, for real.
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  In space, no one can hear you scream.
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  Oh well, thank you, K Power Gaming.
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  Happy, happy you're here. Yeah.
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  Oh yeah. You have so many episodes to
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  binge. I watch out.
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  Yeah, I forgot to tell you, I met.
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  I've now in the past, like month, I've met 2 listeners of
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  the podcast in person, in public.
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  Of course, I've always been like at the ASU Fita Museum, so it
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  makes sense. But I've had two people be like,
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  hey, I listened to your podcast and I was like, what?
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  And one person said, yeah, I started listening and then I
• 8:34
  went back to the beginning, starting with the first episode.
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  I was like, whoa. Yeah, we we're sorry about those
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  early episodes. Yeah, I cannot physically
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  imagine myself listening to our three hour long Cruella episode
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  if that sounds rough. Like we were, we were trying to
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  figure things out. It was a.
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  Yeah, but if you're doing that, then thank you.
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  I guess have a good time, but feel free to skip forward.
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  You don't have to do that to yourself.
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  Yeah, the first like season or two.
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  If you just wanna listen to the ones that sound interesting that
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  that's a great that's a great course of action.
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  Right. I don't think we got like decent
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  mics until like the end of season one.
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  Honestly so? Well wait, when did when did
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  Daniel give us our Christmas gifts of microphones?
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  Is that the end of Season 2? End of season one.
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  Oh, it was. Yeah, we started Season 2 with
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  the good mics, I think. OK.
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  OK. I'm so excited to get into this
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  week's episode because this is kind of like a continuation of
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  one of our previous episodes. That was one of my favourites,
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  actually. Elizabeth, what did we watch?
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  Same I'm so excited 'cause we also have not gotten really to
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  talk about this, but this week we watched Dune Part 2.
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  Yeah. Oh man, was it good.
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  It was so good. I was so happy at spoiler
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  warning from here on out just. Yeah, yeah, let's get that.
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  Out. We're still gonna do a summary,
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  but like, I'm just about to talk about this with the way they,
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  like, condensed the timeline. I was like, Oh my gosh, this is
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  perfect. Yeah, like, I was shocked,
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  'cause I was like, there's a lot in that book.
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  Yeah 'cause you're a book reader.
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  Yeah, there's a lot in the book. And it's like, it goes from like
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  his entire family is murdered to like three years later I think
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  or something three to five years later.
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  There's like a big time jump in the book and there was just like
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  a lot going on. There's a lot of characters and
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  it's fantastic. Like, if you love this movie,
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  absolutely go read the book. You get so much more
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  information. But the movie, the way they
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  condense that timeline, the way they curtailed it for film was
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  brilliant. I loved it.
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  Yeah, yeah, I I the last time we watched Dune for the podcast,
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  which was in 2021 I believe. I think it's in our first season
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  actually. What's it?
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  Was that the end of our first season or second season?
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  That was like an end of something.
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  I think it. Was the end of our first 'cause
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  we did Fifth Element, like right before or after?
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  Regardless, I like, you know, I fell hard into the dune space
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  and I started reading the book, was loving the book.
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  But then I decided to, like, stop myself, 'cause I had
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  already, like seen the first movie and I was like, I'm just
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  going to finish with the second movie and then go to the book.
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  I didn't want to go movie, book, movie, book, you know?
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  So now that I've done both movies, now I will go back to
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  the book. And I have plenty of time before
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  Messiah, which actually just got greenlit in the past two days.
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  I have to. I'm like, oh gosh, now I gotta
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  read Messiah now. I haven't done that.
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  That's a great episode though, if anyone wants to go back to it
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  because Elizabeth kills it with the behind the costume facts
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  like she goes in. It's a pretty nice deep dive
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  into Frank Herbert and everything.
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  But with that, let's get into Dune Part 2.
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  Elizabeth, do you want to give us a summary?
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  Yeah, since you made this lovely these lovely, lovely notes, I
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  absolutely will Dune Part 2 explores the mythic journey of
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  Paula Tradies as he unites with Cheney and the from him while on
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  a path of revenge against the conspirators who destroyed his
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  family. Facing a choice between the love
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  of his life and the fate of the unknown universe, he endeavors
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  to prevent a terrible future only he can see.
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  So sinister. And that is Dune Part 2.
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  I'm excited. I've I've, as you all remember
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  I'm not in school anymore. So I feel like this is me
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  getting back into school and doing this presentation.
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  We're about to talk about dying. Behind the costumes we have the
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  brilliant director Denis Villeneuve and costume designer
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  our friend Jacqueline W, who we all met on the podcast just last
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  year for Killers at a Flower Moon.
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  You and know Jacqueline for her work on Quills, for which she
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  was nominated for an Oscar, The League of Extraordinary
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  Gentlemen. I did not know she did that
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  movie, but that is a Banger movie.
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  I think you and I have talked about this.
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  I think we have. I need to rewatch that.
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  I was actually thinking about it recently and I was like, 'cause
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  I saw that as a kid and was like, wow, that's cool.
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  And I'm like, I need to go back and watch that.
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  It still hits The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, for which
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  Jacqueline got another Oscar nomination.
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  The Social Network Argo The Revenant, for which she got
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  another Oscar nomination. Killers of the Flower Moon, for
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  which she was just nominated for an Oscar nomination, which we
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  did a episode on just last year with Osage costume consultant
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  Julie O'Keefe. And of course Jacqueline did the
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  costumes for Dune Part One with Bob Morgan, for which she was
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  also nominated for an Oscar nomination and won a Costume
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  Designers Guilt Award. So lots of Oscar nominations,
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  and I think we could count on 1/6 one coming up in the next
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  year, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  I'm like, hopefully an Oscar win alike.
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  I wasn't going to say it yet, but I am definitely working on
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  that. And I will also say that this is
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  our first solo episode in a while.
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  Elizabeth and I have had a lot of guests.
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  We did reach out to Jacqueline and it's not of if, but when
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  essentially when we're going to have her on for Dune.
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  So I think we're just kind of waiting until the award season
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  kind of kicks off again, which I'm both excited and nervous
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  about. Like a award season?
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  It's. Going to be a tough one.
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  With that, let's dive behind the costumes as we've been talking
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  about Dune. Part 2 is a continuation of the
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  story we talked about in 2021. But if you've seen the film,
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  then you know that there's a lot more to this part of the story.
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  Elizabeth definitely knows from reading the book, and Jacqueline
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  W certainly felt that sentiment and told Vogue all of the
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  world's are much expanded and doomed too.
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  We had our hands full, which I was excited to see because that
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  was my first thought too. If it's just Part 2, are the
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  costumes gonna change that much? Where are they gonna add to make
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  it feel different? And I think it's safe to say
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  that he definitely added quite a bit to this.
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  Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah.
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  It oh gosh, it was so cool. Especially 'cause there was a
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  lot of the same, there was a lot of the same.
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  But the new characters that were introduced, the new, I guess
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  there was at least one new world introduced.
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  Like they really like. They were like, here's our
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  opportunity and they took it and it was amazing.
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  Yeah, and even like the difference between the Northern
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  Fremen and the Southern Fremen, there's like a big difference
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  there. We knew there's gonna be still
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  suits, but yeah, she really expand on it with that.
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  We know Jacqueline is very much a trained art historian and just
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  all around researcher. Basically, you could tell when
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  we were talking about killers that are Flower Moon.
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  In that same interview with Vogue, Jacqueline cited to do an
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  author himself when discussing her approach to costuming.
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  Such a broad universe saying Frank Herbert always said to
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  understand the future you have to look at the past.
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  And I think Dune is a world starting over after some kind of
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  apocalypse, which I think is just such a fantastic quote
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  'cause it really explains the entire approach.
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  Yeah, especially. I don't know how much do I
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  bring, 'cause do you know, like what the apocalyptic event in
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  the books was? Not really.
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  So it was I've. Actually been thinking about
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  this a lot recently. I'm guessing war bombs,
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  explosions, plague. It was like a war between AI and
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  humans. That's.
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  Yeah, that's why there's no outright computers.
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  We did talk about this in our first episode.
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  Yeah. Oh yeah, I should have re
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  listened to ourselves before this podcast.
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  Yeah, I'm just a nerd and I I don't know why.
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  I know this off the top of my head, but I can't remember what
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  I ate yesterday. It's a cool thing to be nerdy
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  about. That being said, throughout this
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  episode we're going to get some insights on the many
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  inspirations that built this world.
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  To me, Dune is not just about one culture or reference, but
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  amalgamation of many inspirations of, you know,
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  humanity deconstructed and reassembled thousands of years
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  in the future, which is really exciting.
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  During my research for this episode, I noted some
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  reoccurring themes and Jacqueline's inspirations that
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  Vogue also pointed out. And I think it's really funny
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  when you put them together, such as Jacqueline is very much
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  inspired by BDSM, tarot cards and nuns, which to me is just a
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  recipe for success in any venture in life.
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  To elaborate, in a conversation with Vogue, Jacqueline pointed
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  out that she was particularly inspired by the Tarot, a love
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  for which she credits to her Berkeley roots, especially the
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  Queen of Swords card when costing the Benny Jesuits, she's
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  quoted as saying. I noticed that when I was using
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  the Tarot cards, there's a certain shape that evokes A
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  holiness all through, and she continued to point out the
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  piousness, similar to medieval paintings by Giotto, the Bandone
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  and the Virgin Mary, all of which are linked by their head
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  coverings. I have some pictures for
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  Elizabeth of like the Benny Jesuit, and you could definitely
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  kind of see that medieval influence.
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  Yeah, I definitely see it as special especially with the like
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  the Madonna and child that's like a very like, you can see
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  that like very strongly. Right, going further, Jacqueline
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  attended Catholic school as a child and was captivated by the
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  nuns and their habits, she told Vogue.
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  I remember seeing the nuns all walk down a corridor together
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  and their habits flying as they catched A breezeway outside.
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  I love that image and I tried to recreate that through Dune 2
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  with silhouettes and it brought me right back to the first film
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  when we see the bendy Jesuit coming out of their ship or
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  whatever and the wind is blowing their big old head pieces back.
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  It's one of my favorite images so.
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  Yeah, I I love that 'cause she she definitely brings that out
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  in the bendy Jesuits. Making none wear cool, honestly.
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  Another big theme is looking to the past, which Jacqueline was
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  constantly finding inspiration in the 1920s.
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  Tiffany Jewelry Balenciaga was mentioned multiple times and
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  hooked to a renaissance of the 1950s, But above all, Jacqueline
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  went back to medieval research and references for Dune in an
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  interview with JQ. In an interview with GQ,
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  Jacqueline called the Costumes of Dune mod evil.
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  As in medieval, but with a modern bent, she is quoted
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  saying. Denis always described Arakus as
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  the beginning of a new world, a world starting over.
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  That's why I went back to a lot of medieval references to give
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  that feeling of age-old. But now?
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  OK, this is this has to be the next wave in fashion Mod evil.
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  Please, let's. Do it as a society.
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  Let's let's get rid of fast fashion and let's just all go in
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  on mod evil. Yeah.
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  Let's just do this. We've been saying this for a
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  long time. I feel like I want to bring back
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  chainmail and tunics and veils and all that good stuff I'm
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  tired of. I mean, I like my Dune T-shirt
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  I'm wearing, but I want to get back into Mod Evil, please.
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  Yeah, yeah, let's do it. Let's go for it.
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  With that, Elizabeth, it's time to take a break.
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  Are you ready? I'm so ready, Spencer.
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  May thy knife chip and shatter Elizabeth back all right.
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  Spencer, Are you ready to get to Iraqis?
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  I am so excited to go back to Iraqis and I want to start
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  actually with like that first opening scene, because I was
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  immediately ready to go in this movie when we see the hearken
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  and soldiers searching for the Fremen somewhere in the Iraqis
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  dunes of the orange hue and we see their creepy armored
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  uniforms. So scary.
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  Yeah, so scary, but so cool. Especially like, when they
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  start, like, floating around, right, 'cause it's like, it
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  makes them like, like in the first movie where they
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  referenced insects a lot. It definitely does that.
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  They look like hard little, like exoskeletons, but they're so
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  cool and they just, they look so stark against all the orange.
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  It's fantastic. Yeah, it looks really cool.
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  And also I I want to talk about the scene in particular too,
• 22:59
  because I haven't seen anyone ask Jacqueline about it.
• 23:03
  But the costumes very much have like technology involved in them
• 23:09
  and you get like one shot of the back of one of the Harkonnen
• 23:12
  uniforms and you could see like the little gears and fans like
• 23:15
  moving in the back of it in the scene, which I thought was so
• 23:18
  cool. I would.
• 23:21
  Love her. Love to ask about that.
• 23:23
  Honestly, when we do talk to her, it's really cool looking.
• 23:27
  But we have some new characters to talk about Elizabeth and one
• 23:31
  of them is of course is her name Princess Erulin?
• 23:35
  How how would you pronounce it? Book reader.
• 23:38
  Trying to remember. Well, we could just say Florence
• 23:43
  Pease's character. I was so stoked to see Florence
• 23:48
  Pew in this movie, she absolutely kills it.
• 23:51
  And all of her costumes, one after the other, are just
• 23:55
  bangers. Yeah, yeah, My favorite is
• 23:58
  definitely her, like her all white look with like the gold
• 24:02
  little like knit skullcap. Just because I'm like, you're
• 24:07
  the Princess of a galactic empire, but you are just like,
• 24:10
  chilling. And you're like coastal grandma,
• 24:12
  like we're just like recording your little Diaries and being
• 24:19
  like, huh, I wonder what's happening.
• 24:22
  I love that. But also this is very much like
• 24:25
  you costume too. You could easily pull off this
• 24:28
  costume, Elizabeth. Thank you.
• 24:31
  Easy, easy, easy. But this is one of Jacqueline
• 24:36
  West's favorite characters to costume, which honestly should
• 24:39
  not be a big surprise to any of us.
• 24:41
  I mean, it's Florence Pugh, so Jacqueline told GQ she wanted a
• 24:46
  ruling to look constrained but glamorous.
• 24:50
  In another scene she wears a habit type garment that
• 24:53
  encircles her entire face and she said her face almost looks
• 24:57
  imprisoned so evokes the emotion that she's already trapped in
• 25:01
  the bendy Jesuits plan with a plan world, which is I didn't
• 25:06
  even think of that because she is a Benny Jesuit.
• 25:09
  But in all of her costumes where she's not in her coastal
• 25:11
  grandmother, look, she has like the bars and the chains on her,
• 25:15
  like she is really being pulled down by those lovely old Benny
• 25:19
  Jesuits who have all sorts of ideas and plans.
• 25:23
  Oh yeah, they're not trying to control anything at all.
• 25:27
  Right. Jacqueline also told GQ that the
• 25:33
  one look that we see at the end, that chained look, which I've
• 25:37
  gotten only 1000 messages about. She called that her Warrior
• 25:41
  Princess attire, and it was heavy for Florence.
• 25:45
  But the idea was that the costume would look almost liquid
• 25:48
  on her body, and it's her ultimate idea of what she
• 25:53
  considers mod evil. So this is, this is the mood
• 25:57
  board, Elizabeth. This is what we're looking for.
• 25:59
  I can work with this. I can work with this.
• 26:02
  Yeah, I expect to see this on both of us in our next podcast
• 26:07
  recording. Yeah, I'll just whip that up
• 26:09
  real quick. Right, but it really is true.
• 26:13
  Like it is very fashion forward, yet still references back to
• 26:19
  medieval times with the use of the chainmail and the metal
• 26:23
  pieces and the sharpness of it. Absolutely, yeah.
• 26:28
  Especially like, even in her, like coastal grandmother look
• 26:30
  like the skullcap, just like that is so medieval.
• 26:36
  Yeah, it's really cool. I'm wondering how many people
• 26:39
  are dying at call. So grandmother, 'cause that
• 26:42
  wasn't my first word, but. Literally what I thought about,
• 26:46
  I was like, oh, look at her, she's ready to sit on the beach.
• 26:50
  It also it's like her like being alone and away from the Benny
• 26:54
  Jesuit. So this is maybe what she what's
• 26:57
  to wants to wear when she's being leisurely in away from you
• 27:02
  know the nice Reverend Mother who seems to always be cranky.
• 27:06
  Honestly another character that were introduced is to is the
• 27:13
  Emperor played by Christopher Walken.
• 27:16
  And I did not know what to expect with the Emperor, but I
• 27:19
  really loved it actually. I think Christopher Walken did a
• 27:22
  good job because I was afraid he was going to be too much of
• 27:26
  Christopher Walken. But it worked.
• 27:28
  It worked, honestly. Yeah, it absolutely didn't.
• 27:30
  I was interested to see what they were going to do because
• 27:34
  the idea like behind like how he wrote the book is like the
• 27:38
  Princess is actually like recording a history of what
• 27:42
  happened, except for the very end.
• 27:45
  You don't really get, you know any of her character or the
• 27:49
  emperor's character except for just like some mentions here and
• 27:53
  there. So I I was interested to see how
• 27:55
  they were gonna like incorporate them and it was great.
• 27:58
  It was subtle and it was great. It was subtle, which I actually
• 28:02
  think kind of works to his costume too, because when I
• 28:04
  think Emperor, I think of something that's big and flashy,
• 28:08
  and this Emperor was not that at all.
• 28:10
  He was really, I mean, sure, he was kind of cruel and tough with
• 28:14
  the way he ruled, but his actual costume was actually quite
• 28:17
  subtle and almost had like a vulnerability and a weakness to
• 28:21
  it, which I feel like Paul Tradies takes advantage of in
• 28:24
  the end, where he's very stoic and the Emperor's like wearing
• 28:28
  his comfy robes, you know? Which I kind of feel like it
• 28:32
  worked, though, 'cause it especially 'cause it was like,
• 28:35
  he's so comfortable in his role as emperor that, like, the
• 28:40
  smallest little hint that something will take that away
• 28:44
  from him makes him murder an entire family, 'cause it's like,
• 28:51
  dude, Paul's dad was never gonna try and take the universe from
• 28:54
  you. Oscar Isaac's character was just
• 28:57
  trying to vibe. He really was.
• 28:59
  He just wanted to vibe. You should have left him on his
• 29:02
  ocean planet. None of this would have
• 29:04
  happened. Maybe collect some spicy spice
• 29:07
  every once in a while, but nothing freaky.
• 29:10
  No, he was not the person you had to worry about, Sir.
• 29:14
  Yeah, messed up. What a naughty Boy Emperor
• 29:18
  Should Dance 4 is. Where's that six?
• 29:23
  I don't know. I think that's six.
• 29:25
  That's a Roman numeral. Yeah, whatever.
• 29:32
  This isn't a math podcast. Anyways, I never wanted to go
• 29:44
  back to Iraqis, 'cause we were talking a little bit about how,
• 29:47
  you know, we we knew that there's gonna be still suits,
• 29:50
  but I felt like the scale of how we got to know Rakas and this
• 29:55
  one was so much bigger. From the worm writing to going
• 29:59
  from the north to the South, it was it was a lot of costumes,
• 30:02
  Elizabeth. It Oh yeah.
• 30:04
  It, as I was shocked by the the number of extras, especially
• 30:09
  'cause it's we're in a lot of, like, enclosed spaces, 'cause
• 30:13
  like the Fremen live underground.
• 30:15
  Like they're not just, like chilling out on the dunes most
• 30:18
  of the time. Yeah.
• 30:20
  So it's these like huge city scenes.
• 30:23
  Right, which is a lot of work. Speaking of, Jacqueline told GQ
• 30:28
  that she estimates she made about 4000 costumes for the huge
• 30:31
  crowd scenes set in the realm of the Southern Fremen.
• 30:35
  She said. We had an enormous workshop with
• 30:38
  80 people sewing, and she compared it to an airplane
• 30:41
  anchor. So quite the space.
• 30:45
  And with that she there were so many costumes, so she needed
• 30:49
  lots of help of course. And Jacqueline is all about like
• 30:52
  finding people in the local area that like know the craft and
• 30:56
  know the history and they were in Budapest.
• 30:59
  So she hired locals and jewelry makers in the Middle East to
• 31:03
  tell a visual story through costume, particularly with the
• 31:07
  female characters in the film IE the Benny Jesuit.
• 31:11
  So the lots of different perspectives going into these
• 31:15
  costumes. She also talked a lot about the
• 31:18
  references that went particularly into some of these,
• 31:23
  some of the Fremen costumes and Lady Jessica, who very much
• 31:27
  becomes a part of that culture. Jacqueline said she imagined all
• 31:32
  desert cultures combined in the future is what made-up the
• 31:36
  Fremen. The Fremen jewelry that Lady
• 31:38
  Jessica and the other Reverend Mothers wear is reconstructed
• 31:42
  from pieces W had shoppers and friends acquire from places
• 31:47
  ranging from Istanbul, North Africa, Russia and Japan.
• 31:51
  So this is a very global production, which I just think
• 31:55
  is absolutely fantastic because you could really see.
• 31:58
  I love that, especially because like Dune is such a like what do
• 32:03
  what happens to all of our cultures in the future?
• 32:06
  How do they melt? How do they evolve into the
• 32:09
  universe? Right.
• 32:12
  It's not not just a local operation.
• 32:15
  No, no, that's great. I especially love I OK, so my
• 32:21
  favorite character in this movie was Stillgar, played by Javier
• 32:28
  Bardem. OK, he was fantastic.
• 32:32
  He was funny and scary and like just like wild.
• 32:37
  And he always looked so good. He was he he was definitely one
• 32:40
  of those people who's like, I have to like represent myself
• 32:44
  and my culture in the best way possible.
• 32:46
  So I have to look good at all times.
• 32:48
  That's like the vibe I got from. Him His character was hilarious,
• 32:54
  but also wasn't like too over the top where it wasn't
• 32:57
  believable either. So funny.
• 33:00
  Javier Bardem recently did an interview where he said
• 33:02
  something to the extent of, like, you know, I think he has
• 33:05
  like a son and a daughter. And he was like, oh, I did The
• 33:08
  Little Mermaid recently for my daughter because she loves The
• 33:12
  Little Mermaid. And I did Dune for my son,
• 33:15
  'cause he loves Dune. And I'm like, Sir, shut up.
• 33:18
  Like, you had such a good time. Don't try and tell me you do not
• 33:21
  love this movie that you were in trying to be so humble about it.
• 33:26
  Yeah. Oh, I love that.
• 33:30
  Yeah, it was such a good role. I loved it.
• 33:32
  And you're right. Like every time you saw his arm,
• 33:34
  his armor especially, you could tell like this.
• 33:37
  This dude will mess you up if you.
• 33:39
  He might seem like a funny guy who's just like, really in love
• 33:43
  with his religion and beliefs, but he'll mess you up if he has
• 33:46
  to. There was a couple times I was
• 33:48
  like, oh, watch out Paul. You're not.
• 33:50
  You might not make it past this lesson with Stillbar.
• 33:56
  Another character that we need to talk about, who we really
• 33:58
  didn't talk about in our first episode about she's.
• 34:01
  Hardly in the movie. Right.
• 34:03
  Was Cheney played by Zendaya? Of course.
• 34:07
  Yes. She killed it, honestly.
• 34:11
  I mean, I love Zendaya and she was amazing in this.
• 34:16
  She really was. And she again, she just really
• 34:20
  embodied like the Fremen look and culture and just like exuded
• 34:27
  that at all times. Yeah.
• 34:29
  Does she do what she need to do for you in terms of the book
• 34:33
  too? So I would say her character is
• 34:37
  has changed, was changed the most.
• 34:41
  She's a very passive character in the book, very passive
• 34:45
  character in the book. And like she's there to like
• 34:48
  stand by her man and like do what needs to get done.
• 34:53
  But she's not really challenging Paul in the way that she is in
• 34:58
  the movie. And that was, I think that was a
• 35:01
  great change from book to movie. Yeah, well, I felt like Zendaya
• 35:06
  brought like a realness and authenticity to it.
• 35:09
  I mean, honestly, Paul does some questionable things in this film
• 35:13
  and I just feel I would like to believe that most people like
• 35:16
  Zendaya's character would be like.
• 35:17
  Yeah, if anybody was. 'cause I've heard some people
• 35:22
  are not coming out on the right side with Paul.
• 35:25
  He's not the good guy in this, just like a general PSA.
• 35:30
  He's not the good guy in the book.
• 35:31
  He's not the good guy in this. Just just so everybody knows,
• 35:35
  like that day is right to question everything he is doing.
• 35:40
  I'm very much still on Paul's side right now, but I realize
• 35:43
  that it's gonna be a controversial choice at.
• 35:47
  Some point like Paul's not in the right, but also like no one
• 35:53
  else's either. So why not be on Paul's side?
• 35:58
  But like, he's not a good person.
• 36:00
  Yeah, everyone's wrong. Jacqueline, in an interview with
• 36:04
  Variety, talked about Zendaya's character.
• 36:07
  She said I needed to keep her quite tough, but I needed her to
• 36:11
  also be soft and romantic for Timothy and for their love
• 36:14
  affair to evolve. With the unisex still suits
• 36:18
  looking identical, Jacqueline looked for ways to expand
• 36:21
  Cheney's outfits with raw silks and linens that would lend
• 36:24
  themselves to her sexuality. Jacqueline went on to say I want
• 36:28
  to give her a real femininity and her body is so beautiful.
• 36:31
  I could put her in a kafta and it would still show for real, so
• 36:35
  but I think it's such a good point.
• 36:37
  I really didn't think about that cause all the steel suits look
• 36:40
  the same, but they still felt unique.
• 36:42
  And with Cheney, at least she had, like the scarf, the linen
• 36:45
  piece over her, which did bring like a feminine flair to it.
• 36:49
  Yeah, I love that. That's also something that like
• 36:53
  is kind of in the book, where like everything all look the
• 36:56
  same, but they put their own, like, personal flares on the
• 36:59
  suits. So I love that she did that.
• 37:02
  I want to decorate a steel suit but.
• 37:04
  Let's do it. What I loved about our Barbie
• 37:09
  episode, you gave a brilliant shout out to the styling of
• 37:13
  Margot Robbie on her press tour. I had to just take a moment and
• 37:17
  just shout out Zendaya's press tour for Dune.
• 37:21
  It was incredible. I mean every look, I know she
• 37:26
  works with La Roche quite a bit, her stylist and I'm not sure if
• 37:29
  he's responsible for all these looks, but I know some of them
• 37:32
  and all of these looks hit, they are so good.
• 37:36
  I particularly love her London tour.
• 37:39
  She just look after look the archival MU glare.
• 37:42
  It was it was so beautiful the the like metallic like suit that
• 37:47
  when I saw that I was like girl get it like this is incredible.
• 37:53
  You're doing the most. I love it.
• 37:55
  And then Paris I was honestly, I really loved both of her Paris
• 37:59
  looks more. Than Oh my gosh.
• 38:02
  That one that was my favorite of the two but I did love that like
• 38:06
  that two piece custom Louis Vuitton.
• 38:09
  Like like like can I have that for my wardrobe?
• 38:12
  Like this is this is where we need to be going as a as a
• 38:15
  society. That and her custom Bogota Venta
• 38:22
  in Mexico City. Like these two looks like
• 38:26
  everyone in the world just needs to take those two looks.
• 38:29
  The idea of mod evil and we just need to go into the future.
• 38:33
  Right. We just need to get to it.
• 38:37
  If you're up to me and Elizabeth, this is what everyone
• 38:40
  would be wearing from this point forward.
• 38:42
  In a very Paul Atrades way. We are telling you exactly what
• 38:46
  to do going forward, like use the voice.
• 38:54
  Speaking of using the voice Lady, Jessica really had quite
• 38:58
  the evolution in this film. Go from my favorite character,
• 39:05
  Stillgar to my least favorite character.
• 39:08
  I mean, kudos to Rebecca Ferguson.
• 39:11
  She did in the movies the same thing that happened in the book,
• 39:14
  where like in the book I loved Lady Jessica for the first half
• 39:18
  and then the second-half I was like, Oh my gosh, girl, like
• 39:22
  stop and loved her in the first movie, the second movie, I'm
• 39:27
  like, you gotta stop. This needs to end.
• 39:31
  Lady Jessica is up to some scheming and some shenanigans,
• 39:37
  some tomfoolery in this, in this film.
• 39:40
  I loved it though. I think Rebecca Ferguson is
• 39:43
  incredible and she did a fantastic job and I don't know,
• 39:48
  I guess Oscar nomination would be kind of crazy, but I'm just
• 39:52
  saying it should be considered, I think.
• 39:55
  So I think that's not, I think that's a fair, fair shout out,
• 40:00
  yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:02
  And in an interview with our good friend Jazz 10K from
• 40:06
  Variety, Jacqueline W talked about furthering Lady Jessica's
• 40:10
  costume mark as she travels from that lush planet we loved of
• 40:15
  Caledan to Arakis. And we remember in the first one
• 40:18
  we see almost that instant transformation in terms of
• 40:20
  colors and textiles. Jacqueline was inspired by
• 40:24
  fabrics worn by the toric culture in Morocco, quoted as
• 40:28
  saying. Looked at how they used layers
• 40:30
  of linen and gauze and light colors to repel the sun.
• 40:34
  With Lady Jessica pregnant, Jacqueline W also expanded the
• 40:37
  way her outfits fitted as her belly grew, so that was
• 40:40
  something she also had to keep in mind.
• 40:43
  She went on and saying I started to make the fabrics lighter and
• 40:46
  not so luxe, but I kept that medieval feeling through
• 40:50
  throughout the movie. For her, her wardrobe becomes
• 40:52
  more desert friendly and I incorporate a lot of Freeman
• 40:55
  writing into her patterns. Which brings me to some of the
• 40:59
  pictures Elizabeth and I are looking at.
• 41:01
  And if you're watching on YouTube, you could see them too,
• 41:05
  up close. These costumes are incredible.
• 41:07
  I'm obsessed with them. Oh, they're so good.
• 41:10
  And they just get like, progressively more wild and
• 41:14
  intricate through the movie. And I'm like, you know what,
• 41:19
  girl you go you turn yourself into a fanatic like.
• 41:23
  Yeah, you go, girl. Like, I hate what you're doing,
• 41:27
  but like, when it comes to your outfits, like, you don't go for
• 41:30
  it. Yeah, I I would have loved the
• 41:34
  scene where I got to see Lady Jessica get the face tats,
• 41:36
  honestly. Like, I wonder who when that
• 41:38
  decision was made. But Lady Jessica's final look
• 41:42
  when she's watching the fight between Paul and Fade Rotha,
• 41:44
  which we'll get to later, So cool when she has the chains
• 41:49
  coming from the top, the hood that goes over it, it's.
• 41:54
  I mean, it's incredible. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
• 41:59
  With that, we've had too much, you know, enjoyment in Arakas.
• 42:03
  We got to go somewhere that's a little more cold and scary.
• 42:07
  We're talking about a Getty Prime, the home world of the
• 42:11
  Harkenens and. I did not enjoy myself.
• 42:15
  Not a fun touristy destination, Jack had told the credits when
• 42:22
  it came to the Harkenins. It's all about the goth look.
• 42:26
  They're like vampires sucking the blood from the fremons.
• 42:29
  I use a lot of stretch Leathers, stretch vinyls and chains.
• 42:33
  The servants are dressed in these constrictive leather
• 42:36
  coated bones that work as corsets where we took small
• 42:40
  animal bones and coated them in vinyl and then laced them all
• 42:43
  together. Fade Rotha's entourage of female
• 42:46
  slaves are young, ghoulish vampire esque women and black
• 42:49
  stretch leather to keep them sinister.
• 42:53
  Their jewelry was made in her shop using bones and leather.
• 42:57
  I mean, did you? See my face when you described
• 43:03
  that corset. Yeah, Elizabeth almost fell
• 43:06
  down. So now we know why that why the
• 43:11
  Harkins were so creepy looking. Because Jacqueline W went full
• 43:15
  Goth, which I appreciate honestly.
• 43:18
  I do too, honestly. Like, I saw that.
• 43:21
  Like, I saw that look in the theater of those, I guess,
• 43:26
  interconnected bones, and I just assumed it was all plastic.
• 43:31
  And I was like, oh, that's super cool.
• 43:34
  Oh, no, no, they went there. OK, they definitely it went
• 43:40
  there. But that leads me to my favorite
• 43:45
  scene. This would be your favorite
• 43:48
  scene. It is OK.
• 43:50
  It is cool. It is cool.
• 43:52
  The Gladiator arena scene where we introduce Austin Butler's
• 43:55
  character, Paid Rotha, I think is just a cinematic marvel.
• 43:59
  It is so cool. It yeah, it it is, it is.
• 44:03
  I and I did appreciate the black and white.
• 44:06
  I was like I don't understand why this is black and white, but
• 44:09
  it makes more sense then. So it is black and white because
• 44:14
  the home world of Getty Prime has a black sun.
• 44:18
  So with that, we have a great interview that Justin Kaye did
• 44:23
  on Variety with the cinematographer and didn't even
• 44:26
  know about this black and white scene.
• 44:28
  The idea actually came from Denny, who wanted to give a
• 44:32
  Getty primate distinguishable look in a monochromatic world
• 44:36
  with the black sun. He said we can't do a gladiator
• 44:39
  scene with sand because it'll look like Oracus have a black
• 44:43
  and white. But the cinematographer Frazier
• 44:47
  took it one step further and said I have a brilliant thing
• 44:49
  that I want to test and show you.
• 44:51
  So I tested the technique with another character who has no
• 44:55
  hair and he was a perfect candidate to test it on.
• 44:58
  And Denise saw it and said Bingo, With that, Elizabeth, we
• 45:02
  were talking about this incredible use of an infrared
• 45:06
  camera, which meant all the camera could see was infrared
• 45:09
  and that became their world. So this is a new fancy.
• 45:14
  It's not just a black and white filter, this is a infrared
• 45:17
  camera, which of course amazing led to some problems for the
• 45:24
  always lovely costume designer Jacqueline West.
• 45:29
  And with Dunn even know it wasn't a case of just fixing the
• 45:33
  costumes and posts and covering it up with visual effects.
• 45:36
  Jacqueline had to go back to the drawing board when it came to
• 45:39
  the scene because when you look at there's a lot of costumes
• 45:42
  happening. Sure, there's some are probably
• 45:44
  visual effects, but there's a lot of costumes and Jacqueline
• 45:49
  was looking at the camera, the infrared camera and the costume
• 45:51
  skip coming up as white and everyone's wearing black and
• 45:56
  she's like, I don't know what to do.
• 45:58
  And the cinematographer actually was like, I don't freaking know
• 46:01
  either, you know? So he ended up setting up a
• 46:05
  station outside of Jacqueline's shop where they could test all
• 46:09
  these costumes. Now, Jacqueline told the credits
• 46:12
  I had a rather interesting incident because that scene was
• 46:15
  all Shawn Infrared. I didn't realize some fabrics
• 46:17
  when Shawn Infrared would turn white and Faye Rotha's outfit
• 46:22
  had so many different fabrics and Leathers.
• 46:24
  When we camera tested, some of his pieces came out white.
• 46:26
  So I had to start over. That's a heads up for other
• 46:29
  designers, she says. When you're shooting an infrared
• 46:32
  test, everything. Greg Frazier set up a camera
• 46:36
  outside our shop where we constructed everything and let
• 46:39
  me test every piece of fabric for anyone on this planet.
• 46:43
  And I mean, I just, This is why I love movies, because it is so
• 46:47
  cool and I love just pushing the envelope on incredible
• 46:51
  technology. That's amazing because infrared,
• 46:54
  that's like, hold on. I know that was me there.
• 46:58
  They like looking out What the heck is infrared anyways?
• 47:03
  Yeah, 'cause it's basically like it's it's reading like the like
• 47:07
  the waves of light we can't see and like heat and stuff, right?
• 47:11
  Infrared. I feel like I've only seen like
• 47:14
  infrared used on ghost shows. Well, I mean, I think you're
• 47:19
  getting close. It's definitely not something
• 47:21
  that we have on our iPhone, let's just say that.
• 47:24
  So it's not the you can't just like set up your iPhone and do
• 47:28
  on black white, filter like we've talked about in so many
• 47:31
  other podcasts. This is something totally new.
• 47:33
  And that's why I love the scene, 'cause I just think, like I said
• 47:37
  earlier, I just think it's a marvel how they got it done and
• 47:40
  I just can't. I can't imagine Jacqueline face
• 47:43
  when they set the first costume and it the whole thing came out
• 47:46
  as a white, like a ghost. She was like.
• 47:50
  Because if it's reading heat like that would make sense,
• 47:52
  because black retains a lot of heat.
• 47:55
  Oh, that's fascinating. I want a hole behind the scenes
• 47:58
  about how they made this work. This is the first time I'm like,
• 48:00
  can we get a cinematographer on the podcast?
• 48:02
  Seriously. Like, I would love to talk about
• 48:05
  this more. So stay tuned on it.
• 48:07
  We're going to have to get when we have Jacqueline on, we're
• 48:09
  going to spend a lot of time talking about this.
• 48:12
  Also, I want to bring up the really interesting, the really
• 48:17
  interesting characters we saw in the background that that like
• 48:20
  really gave me like a a alien feel, Jacqueline said.
• 48:25
  Those people clothed entirely in black, they were kind of like
• 48:29
  referenced as like Spanish bullfighters.
• 48:33
  And then even though the concept artist just brought Jacqueline
• 48:36
  WA stick drawing for the idea for these aides with the sharp
• 48:40
  pointy sticks and Jacqueline said I like it, but can I expand
• 48:44
  on it? So she really elongated those
• 48:46
  hats. It's like a Toradora hat, but
• 48:50
  very extreme and spiky, she said.
• 48:52
  They're almost ghost like. And yeah, I just want a
• 48:55
  honorable mention to those creepy guys in the background.
• 48:58
  Absolutely. That though, they scared me.
• 49:00
  I was like, Oh, no, no, thank you.
• 49:03
  Yeah, I don't. I don't want to see any more of
• 49:06
  those. Definitely like my Comic Con
• 49:09
  inspiration, though. Yeah, just saying.
• 49:11
  Good call. We have to talk more about
• 49:15
  Austin Butler because. That's Butler.
• 49:18
  I was converted. I am now a awesome Butler fan.
• 49:21
  Honestly, he did it for me in this film because I was a little
• 49:24
  tired after Elvis, but he brought me back.
• 49:27
  I thought he killed. Me, I got.
• 49:29
  I gotta agree actually. But I'm just like dude.
• 49:35
  This guy and I was like something about this feels so
• 49:40
  familiar to me and I can't figure it out what.
• 49:43
  And then I started doing research for the slides, and
• 49:46
  when talking about Fade Rotha's ensemble, Jacqueline W told GQ
• 49:51
  that she looked to the work of HR Giger, the artisan designer
• 49:55
  best known for designing the Xenomorph for Alien.
• 49:58
  And I'm like, oh duh, because we all know how I feel about Alien
• 50:03
  and Giger's work, she said. We want him to evoke a kind of
• 50:08
  gothic vampire early, early, dark, medieval feeling.
• 50:12
  Be it be the future because of all this action wave fights in
• 50:15
  arena. I wanted things that moved on
• 50:17
  him to show his almost ballet type but powerful movements that
• 50:21
  he makes, which, yeah, there is lots of movement.
• 50:25
  Yeah, she did it. She she did it.
• 50:29
  She did the thing. Honestly, I'm like a fade rotha
• 50:32
  stand. I want AT shirt.
• 50:34
  I want to be one of his like little gothic vampire ghoul.
• 50:39
  Groupie. I gotta say though, I really
• 50:43
  loved his like little like official get up when his uncle
• 50:47
  was sending him to Iraqis. Oh, when he gave him that big
• 50:50
  old smooch. Yeah, that was a nice costume.
• 50:53
  Yeah, the detail on it too. And it was cool seeing it in
• 50:56
  color too, which was also like, jarring up first thing.
• 50:59
  Oh wow. There is so much detail outside
• 51:02
  of the infrared. We had another character that
• 51:07
  just showed up and she had about 5 minutes in this movie and she
• 51:11
  made every second of that 5 minutes count.
• 51:16
  We're talking about the the lady Margot Fenring, who Elizabeth.
• 51:21
  I love this character. I was like, I don't know who she
• 51:24
  is, but I want more of her. This was perfect.
• 51:27
  This is exactly what happens in the book.
• 51:29
  She shows up, gets pregnant and gets out.
• 51:33
  Yeah, goals, she's like. OK, I'm done here by.
• 51:42
  She did what had to be done and looked incredible.
• 51:46
  Jacqueline talked about her costume being very much inspired
• 51:50
  by the Paris runways I talked about at the beginning of this
• 51:53
  episode. As she explained to GQ, is made
• 51:57
  from a lot of very, very expensive French taffeta that
• 52:02
  could rise above her head without wiring.
• 52:04
  The main inspiration, however, she said, was 1940s Balenciaga.
• 52:09
  So I mean, she's using Balenciaga and the futuristic
• 52:13
  Dune film. Brilliant.
• 52:15
  I love it. I love it like this little scene
• 52:18
  here, like with how the hood was around her.
• 52:20
  I was like, this is giving me R1 vibes.
• 52:22
  I love it. This is perfect.
• 52:25
  Also, I love that, like, it's very blue too.
• 52:28
  Like you. I think of Harken's, I think of
• 52:30
  like just black and white, and the blue was like kind of
• 52:34
  sinister, honestly. And it was like, what I loved
• 52:37
  about it. It wasn't like a really dark,
• 52:39
  almost black, like midnight blue.
• 52:41
  It was blue. Like it is a royal blue.
• 52:45
  Yeah. And it fantastic.
• 52:48
  Yeah, she she took those scenes that she ate that honestly, like
• 52:53
  she did what had to be done. Oscar.
• 52:57
  If there was an Oscar for like best 5 minutes in a film, she'd.
• 53:01
  Win Easy. Easy.
• 53:02
  Yeah, absolutely Rivaled only by Anya Taylor Joy, who had a solid
• 53:08
  15 seconds in this film. I I was so confused when she
• 53:16
  showed up to this premiere, 'cause I was like, what?
• 53:19
  I thought the same too. I was like, when did I miss
• 53:22
  that? Yeah, I was so confused.
• 53:24
  And then literally 15 seconds. And so, like in the book, her
• 53:30
  character is like fully like a toddler, like or and like,
• 53:35
  'cause I literally think she's only like 3 or 4.
• 53:38
  But like all the creepiness that baby was giving us in the movie,
• 53:44
  this small child also exudes in the book.
• 53:49
  And it was so perfect. And then she shows up and Paul's
• 53:53
  dream to be like, yo bro. And I was like this is.
• 53:58
  I don't know why this is perfect but it is.
• 54:01
  Well, she's somehow like if you put together Lady Jessica, Duke,
• 54:07
  Lado, Paul Tradies, she somehow has a family resemblance.
• 54:12
  I can't pinpoint it, but it also is just perfect and they're
• 54:16
  saying it up for her to be in the next film I'm sure and
• 54:19
  she'll do incredible in it. And this is how you do a cameo.
• 54:23
  Don't tell anyone about it. Just show up to the premiere and
• 54:27
  like a big ol interesting kind of look and just get your 10
• 54:32
  seconds in. It was amazing.
• 54:34
  I. Loved it?
• 54:35
  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, another nominee for Best
• 54:39
  15 seconds in the film. Yeah.
• 54:43
  All right, we're getting near the end here.
• 54:44
  But we can't end without talking about the evolution of Timothy
• 54:49
  Chalamet's character, Paula Trady's Elizabeth Thoughts.
• 54:55
  I love this look. It gives me Darth Vader vibes.
• 55:00
  Yeah, exactly. That like black Cape or his
• 55:04
  still suit. I'm like, yes, you are this
• 55:08
  prophesied hero. I guess maybe, I don't know,
• 55:13
  probably shouldn't be, but you know you're going for it.
• 55:16
  I think people need to really talk about how actually
• 55:22
  incredible Timothy Xiaomi is as an actor, because he really
• 55:27
  killed it in his film because his performance really sold his
• 55:30
  character. And I think Jacqueline W
• 55:31
  actually agrees, because when she was talking about his
• 55:34
  costumes for the second film, she really talked about how she
• 55:39
  didn't really do that much and Timothy really did a lot of
• 55:43
  heavy lifting with his performance, She told the
• 55:45
  credits He wears a steel suit the whole time.
• 55:48
  The only things I changed were his wrappings and his hoods.
• 55:51
  When he takes on the role as their leader, he becomes the TE
• 55:56
  Lawrence of the Fremans, leading them in revolt against their
• 55:59
  usurpers. I gave him hoods that were
• 56:01
  almost medieval, but Timothy grew as a man and as an actor in
• 56:05
  those three years between the films and it shows his maturity.
• 56:09
  I'd love to say that I did that with his wardrobe.
• 56:11
  That was costume magic. But I think on this one I have
• 56:14
  to hand the praise to Timothy. It was all his acting.
• 56:17
  He takes on that cloak of power and how he acts and manages his
• 56:20
  relationship with the Fremans and Cheney.
• 56:23
  So basically, Jacqueline was like, yeah, he ate that, you
• 56:27
  know? He really does.
• 56:30
  He really does. And yeah, like, I don't know.
• 56:32
  I think he has like, APJ look with Cheney at one point.
• 56:35
  But yeah, other than that, he's just in his steel suit.
• 56:38
  Like just out here being like, what do I gotta do to get
• 56:42
  revenge? Right.
• 56:44
  But you are right in the sense that he wears the steel suit.
• 56:47
  He puts on, you know, some extra layers, some wrappings and that
• 56:51
  hood, and just the way he, like, tilts his face and gives that
• 56:55
  look. It becomes Darth Vader, just
• 56:57
  like that. It's really cool, especially
• 56:59
  with that shot with the worm jumping behind him.
• 57:03
  Chef's kiss. Absolutely, absolutely.
• 57:06
  I loved it. But she did mention though, that
• 57:09
  there was some new armor when it came to the worm writing
• 57:12
  sequences, Jacqueline told the credits That's not CGI.
• 57:17
  We shot a lot of close-ups in Budapest on an enormous
• 57:20
  animatronic life-size worm on a gimbal with the most enormous
• 57:24
  wind machines blasting sand at them.
• 57:27
  So the armor had to be able to travel through the desert.
• 57:30
  And I did go on to read how they created this reinforced armor
• 57:33
  that was basically gained sandblasted with actors wearing
• 57:37
  it at the same time. Yeah.
• 57:40
  I know. Why?
• 57:45
  Where are the behind the scenes on this movie?
• 57:48
  I would love to see that. I I need to invest in a Blu-ray
• 57:51
  player and when this comes out on Blu-ray, put all the behind
• 57:55
  the scenes I will watch them. I.
• 57:58
  Will watch them. That Max needs to give
• 58:01
  Jacqueline WA let's say 60 minute documentary about the
• 58:05
  costumes of Dune on. Let's give her two hours.
• 58:09
  That's fine. Yeah.
• 58:10
  I was trying to compromise, but two hours or three hours,
• 58:12
  whatever, however long Oppenheimer was about that.
• 58:15
  Amount. Yeah, maybe a little more.
• 58:22
  Speaking of the sandworms, I just I have a picture here.
• 58:25
  I just want to shout out the cinematographer again, Greg
• 58:27
  Frazier, who also did the Batman, Star Wars, Rogue One,
• 58:31
  Zero, Dark 30. Just the shots in this film were
• 58:33
  incredible. We're looking at a picture of
• 58:36
  the sand worms jumping out the same time and having a little
• 58:39
  little. Snack A.
• 58:41
  Little Sonic, our snack. That's incredible scene leading
• 58:46
  us to basically our final scene which is the confrontation
• 58:51
  between Paul and Faydratha. And I just gotta say it was also
• 58:56
  incredible scene, very stressful.
• 59:00
  But like, I was also familiar with the scene just from looking
• 59:03
  back at, you know, the the previous Dune film that came out
• 59:06
  in the 80s where Sting played Faye Rotha.
• 59:09
  I just like, I was like familiar with this setup of them, just
• 59:13
  with the knives looking at each other and I just thought it was
• 59:16
  such a great finale to the movie.
• 59:18
  It was an incredible performance.
• 59:21
  Absolutely. It was so great.
• 59:22
  Especially when Paul's like, yo, I'm related to you and he's
• 59:27
  like, huh? OK, let's murder each other now.
• 59:32
  Yeah, that's cool. I did not see that coming.
• 59:34
  Gotta say, This is why I waited to read a book until after I
• 59:39
  finished a second movie 'cause that was crazy.
• 59:41
  Yeah. With that, Elizabeth, that is
• 59:44
  the end of Dune Part 2 of a few years in the making at the
• 59:49
  podcast. A few years in the making for
• 59:52
  Dune Messiah as well. Such a great movie.
• 59:57
  Honestly, I'm such a fan. I it's definitely one of my
• 1:00:01
  favorite movies I've seen in a while, just 'cause I think it's
• 1:00:03
  just it's just like such a modern marvel to me.
• 1:00:07
  I always hear people talk about how there's like nothing good in
• 1:00:10
  the at the theaters nowadays, so they don't want to go to the
• 1:00:13
  movies. But I'm like, you just got to go
• 1:00:17
  and see, even if you feel like Dune isn't for you.
• 1:00:21
  I think it's worth it just to see like these sets, the
• 1:00:23
  costumes, the work of all these incredible artisans.
• 1:00:26
  Absolutely. It's absolutely worth going to
• 1:00:28
  the movies. I wish.
• 1:00:30
  I mean, I think the main problem behind people going to the
• 1:00:33
  movies is it's so freaking expensive.
• 1:00:37
  That too. But for something like Dune,
• 1:00:39
  it's absolutely worth it. Absolutely worth it.
• 1:00:43
  Like we don't get Dune movies all that often.
• 1:00:46
  You don't. You don't.
• 1:00:48
  I just a final like standing ovation for Jacqueline W
• 1:00:52
  Honestly, we talked about this a little bit at the beginning, but
• 1:00:56
  I think it's time for the Jacqueline W Oscar after this.
• 1:00:59
  Yes. I'm just going to go out and.
• 1:01:01
  I hope so. I hope so.
• 1:01:04
  She's done so much good work. She deserves it.
• 1:01:07
  She has. And this one I just feel like
• 1:01:09
  was just, yeah, it was something else.
• 1:01:12
  Let's take a little break, Elizabeth, because when we come
• 1:01:14
  back, we still got play our favorite game.
• 1:01:17
  That's exciting. Hi, this is Dan, audio engineer
• 1:01:36
  of the podcast Here to let you know that if you wanted to
• 1:01:39
  support the show, you can head over to the Art of
• 1:01:42
  costume.com/pod store. There you can buy some awesome
• 1:01:47
  tea, public merch with the podcast logo such as a shirt,
• 1:01:52
  coffee mug, stickers and of course a baby onesie.
• 1:01:57
  Thanks for all your support. Spencer Are you ready for our
• 1:02:23
  favorite game? I am.
• 1:02:25
  I actually. I've been thinking about this
• 1:02:27
  for a little bit now and I think I'm ready.
• 1:02:31
  Hit it, Daniel. The one costume to rule them
• 1:02:37
  all, Spencer, What's your wrong costume to roll them all?
• 1:02:44
  I am very excited about this one because to me it's actually kind
• 1:02:48
  of easy. I just got to give it to Fade
• 1:02:51
  Ratha's gladiator look because using that infrared technology
• 1:02:56
  to me was just ground ground breaking, innovative.
• 1:03:01
  And I just feel like this is one of those rare moments on a
• 1:03:03
  podcast where we're talking about something that changed,
• 1:03:07
  you know, that was like a movement in costume design.
• 1:03:10
  You know, we talk about Bram Stoker's Dracula and we talked
• 1:03:13
  about Crimson Peak and we talked about Clueless.
• 1:03:15
  I think Dune Part 2 should be added to that conversation and
• 1:03:19
  this costume has that has that moment I guess.
• 1:03:24
  I agree, I agree. She really like I feel like
• 1:03:28
  we're in a time where there's so much technology being developed
• 1:03:32
  and used constantly that a lot of times I think we overlook the
• 1:03:37
  work costume designers have to do to make sure their craft
• 1:03:42
  shows up the best that it can with those with those new
• 1:03:47
  technologies being used. And I think this is a beautiful
• 1:03:49
  example of not just her talent as a costume designer, but cross
• 1:03:55
  department cooperation and teamwork.
• 1:03:58
  Really, That just it makes her work look gorgeous and beautiful
• 1:04:04
  and brilliant and his as well. Yeah, at the level of
• 1:04:09
  professionalism and expertise that is necessary of costume
• 1:04:12
  designers. Which leads me to the
• 1:04:14
  conversation we've been having. A lot pay equity for costume
• 1:04:17
  designers. Jacqueline W as a costume
• 1:04:20
  designer and any other costume designer should be paid at the
• 1:04:24
  level of everyone else who works on this film that worked in
• 1:04:27
  creating these scenes, a production design and a
• 1:04:29
  cinematographer, so on and so forth.
• 1:04:32
  They're just just as much an equal part of this process as
• 1:04:35
  every other department. Put in so much work are so
• 1:04:38
  integral to the process, they deserve it.
• 1:04:41
  Right, Elizabeth. What was your one costume?
• 1:04:43
  Wrote them all. MY1 costume to roll them all
• 1:04:47
  because Paula Trudy's Darth. I'm just going to haul out his
• 1:04:49
  Darth Vader look. I love.
• 1:04:54
  This because it just really shows who he has developed into
• 1:05:00
  as a character, which is this like underground rebel leader.
• 1:05:06
  You know, I think Paul cares about the Fremen.
• 1:05:09
  Paul does, in a way, care about justice being done, but he's
• 1:05:14
  also out here for his own interests.
• 1:05:16
  Like if his father had never died, if they just like took
• 1:05:19
  over Arakis, like he would not have the same level of care
• 1:05:25
  about this 'cause as he does because his family was murdered.
• 1:05:30
  So, like, he's like, yes, I'm. I'm here to lead the Fremen, to
• 1:05:35
  help them take their planet back.
• 1:05:38
  But I'm also here mostly for revenge.
• 1:05:42
  Look, he's looking for some payback.
• 1:05:47
  Yeah, this is such a great costume.
• 1:05:49
  And I love the fact that you called it his Darth Vader
• 1:05:51
  costume because I actually, I feel like it made something
• 1:05:54
  click in my head because I was like, what does this look like
• 1:05:57
  when he's walking? And I'm pretty sure there's like
• 1:06:00
  an exact moment in Star Wars Rogue One where we see Vader
• 1:06:04
  come down that hallway and it's very much like the same
• 1:06:07
  silhouette where you see like this cloak kind of blowing in
• 1:06:09
  the wind a little bit looking badass.
• 1:06:12
  And you know that you don't want mess of this guy.
• 1:06:14
  Darth Vader had a lightsaber. Paul Trudy's had a sand worm
• 1:06:17
  jump up in the background. It's it's brilliant.
• 1:06:21
  It is, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 1:06:23
  So much about his character with just so little.
• 1:06:27
  It's just like the colors of his raps and a hood.
• 1:06:31
  It's incredible, Elizabeth. It's what an episode.
• 1:06:37
  And we're not the only ones that sent that have someone costume
• 1:06:41
  to rule them all. We have a few people that sent
• 1:06:43
  theirs in ahead of time, which I very much appreciate.
• 1:06:47
  These all came in on Instagram this time around.
• 1:06:50
  Our first one is from Daniel Glowacki.
• 1:06:52
  On Instagram, their favorite costume, their one costume rule
• 1:06:57
  them all was the Princess of ruling with the veil.
• 1:07:00
  Then we have a Raven rhinestone. They also mentioned Princess
• 1:07:04
  Arulin's final outfit, but they also want to give a shout out to
• 1:07:08
  Just Cause Iraq is Stressed. And then Robert JC Pugh, who
• 1:07:12
  we've read about on the podcast as well, mentioned Florence
• 1:07:16
  Pugh's metal headpiece outfit. Yeah.
• 1:07:18
  I'm getting a feeling that most people's one costume to rule
• 1:07:22
  them all was worn by Florence Pugh this time around.
• 1:07:25
  I I think so. I think so.
• 1:07:27
  I think that's AI think that's a good, good, good indicator.
• 1:07:32
  Yeah, yeah, I like it. I gotta say, honorable mention
• 1:07:35
  though, to Lady Jessica. I'm kind of shocked that no one
• 1:07:38
  mentioned her costumes. Yeah, I'm going to say I was
• 1:07:42
  real close to picking, you know, her coastal grandmother.
• 1:07:46
  Look for the one costume to roll them all.
• 1:07:48
  But then when I was flipping through the slides and I
• 1:07:51
  remembered that that tall look, I was like, Oh no, this.
• 1:07:54
  Yeah, this is it. That's a good one, Elizabeth.
• 1:07:58
  That's it. That's the end of our Dune
• 1:08:00
  episode. This was a good one.
• 1:08:02
  It's been a long time. This is this is nice.
• 1:08:05
  I had fun. Me too.
• 1:08:09
  But what are we going to be talking about in our next
• 1:08:12
  episode, Elizabeth? Because I think this might be
• 1:08:14
  just as fun. Spencer I am so excited.
• 1:08:19
  We are talking about one of my favorite shows ever.
• 1:08:25
  This week we are talking about the Disney Plus TV extravaganza
• 1:08:31
  that is Loki Yeah with special guests, costume designer
• 1:08:37
  Christine WADA. Yes.
• 1:08:40
  So good. So we actually already recorded
• 1:08:45
  it with Christine, we'll just say that.
• 1:08:47
  And we had a good time, because we were really.
• 1:08:49
  Fun episode. I mean, we brought up Christine
• 1:08:51
  WADA way back when we did the first Loki and our flags mean
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  death. And we just kind of like said,
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  she's one of our one of our VIP guests that we need to have on
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  the podcast and we made it happen.
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  And let's just say it was worth the wait.
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  It was a great conversation. It was great.
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  Y'all are gonna love it. I'm so excited.
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  If you need some content from us in between episodes, you can
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  watch the podcast now is posted on YouTube on Wednesday.
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  You can check it out at youtube.com Slash At The Arctic
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  Costume. You can head to our our
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  Get yourself an Art of Costume, tank top or T-shirt at the Art
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  of costume.com/PODstore. I just ran out of energy and.
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  I was like, I can't tell if that was a period or you just died.
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  I died and if you loved what you heard, please leave us a five
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  And who does? Maybe we'll read it on an
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  And we love to read your comments on our future episodes.
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  Elizabeth, it has been a pleasure.
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  I really enjoyed this time with you.
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  I love Dune, I love sci-fi and I just feel like we're winning
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  when it comes to to this moment. I agree.
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  I agree Spencer, this has been lovely.
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  Can't wait for Dude Messiah. We'll pick up this conversation
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  then. Yeah, we're both gonna be like
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  50 years old with Gray hair like Elizabeth.
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  Welcome to season 72 of the Articusu podcast we're talking
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  about, Dude Messiah. Finally.
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  Can't wait, can't wait. Everybody have a fantastic week.
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