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438 STAR TREK IV: THE VOYAGE HOME Part 3 · The Cine-Files

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jim, you've got to let me go in there.
• 0:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't leave him in the hands of twenty century medicine.
• 0:05
  [SPEAKER_14]: Admiral, may I suggest the doctor McCoy is correct?
• 0:10
  [SPEAKER_14]: We must help check off.
• 0:12
  [SPEAKER_14]: Is that the logical thing to do smart?
• 0:14
  [SPEAKER_15]: No.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_15]: But it is the human thing to do.
• 0:25
  [SPEAKER_08]: Hello and welcome once again to the cinephiles where this week we are concluding our exploration of Star Trek for the Voyage home.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: My name is Steve Morris.
• 0:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm a filmmaker and director in Los Angeles, California.
• 0:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what you think.
• 0:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is wonderful.
• 0:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I am a writer Bruce or host and voiceover artist here in San Diego, California and ready to get back aboard the clang on ship.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_08]: And of course, we are thrilled to welcome back to our microphone Star Trek expert.
• 0:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: My partner on enterprise incidents with Scott and Steven, one of the greatest guests in the annals of the cinephiles, Scott Mans.
• 1:00
  [SPEAKER_08]: Welcome back to the show.
• 1:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, that is high praise indeed, my friend.
• 1:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you so much for having me back.
• 1:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: And what a treat that I get enough to do.
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: Not just one, not just two, but three parts on Star Trek for the voyage home with my friends, Johnny Roca and Steve Morris, great to be back in.
• 1:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: Where did we leave off?
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, before we get there, we should mention that we cannot make the cinephiles without our great supporters on Patreon, as well as Apple podcasts.
• 1:27
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• 1:32
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• 1:32
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• 2:01
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• 2:18
  [SPEAKER_07]: And by the way, if we're just throwing out some stuff here, if you've been listening to not just one, not just two, but now three parts of Star Trek four, then you should absolutely be listening to enterprise incidents, which is our deep dive podcast into each and every episode of the original Star Trek series, still the very greatest Star Trek series of them all, which is just one year shy of its sixth year anniversary,
• 2:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: Now is the perfect time to start from the beginning and go through episode by episode in production order with a completely fresh take on the overreaching arc of the Kirk Spock McCoy relationship of the original Star Trek series Enterprise incidents.
• 3:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: What's gotten Steve?
• 3:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: If you're not listening, you're missing out on Apple podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts.
• 3:10
  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, and now I can finally answer your question Scott, which is where we left off.
• 3:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: Jillian had run into the bounty.
• 3:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: And they finally just used making a lot of noise so they finally just beat her up onto the ship.
• 3:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: Kirk said Alice welcomed Wonderland and she gets to have that moment of realizing that these crazy two guys that she met at the aquarium are actually from the future.
• 3:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, interesting is how, you know, for people who've been watching.
• 3:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: So when this came out in nineteen eighty six, it was the twentyth anniversary, only the twentyth anniversary of Star Trek.
• 3:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: But it was also, this was the only Star Trek you had.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: You had the movies.
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: You had the original series.
• 3:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, next generation was still about a year away.
• 3:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: But what's interesting is how Jillian is kind of
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: all of us, just like the way that Captain Christopher represented everybody watching Star Trek in nineteen sixty six or nineteen sixty seven rather that's when the episode aired.
• 4:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: Then for every Star Trek fan who've been loving Star Trek for all of these years, Gillian was now their entry point into, well, I mean they are in the twenty-and-century, but this is still a Star Trek movie in these characters from the twenty-third century, so she represents all of us.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: They were taken last night.
• 4:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: I wasn't told.
• 4:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: They're in the last cup by now.
• 4:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Damn.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, this is a huge reversal.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: And Chilean just like... But they're tagged.
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, I like I told you.
• 4:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you can go find them, right?
• 4:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: I can go anywhere.
• 4:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Kind of spaceship is this.
• 4:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's a spaceship with a missing man.
• 4:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: And again, the stakes are raised because the time is running out.
• 4:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: The whales are at its sea.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_07]: We got to get the whales before we, you know, got forbid.
• 4:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: They get hunted down by whale hunters, but they also have to safe check off.
• 4:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: who, you know, he's in, he's an hospital in the twentieth century.
• 5:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: That can't be good.
• 5:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, he's also the fact that he's in the hospital as a good anyway.
• 5:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: But this is just something that Star Trek has done so well over the course of certainly the three seasons.
• 5:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: And some of the movies here is just the stakes keep getting raised.
• 5:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: There's more jeopardy with each passing scene.
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: It gets stacked on top of itself and it just increases the stakes for our heroes to get it all done.
• 5:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's funny.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_08]: The enterprise clearly has a system of never leave a man behind.
• 5:28
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, unless, of course, he's got a red shirt on in which cases totally different thing.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: But the last person, the reason I bring it up is the last person we didn't leave behind is the, is the next person who speaks.
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_08]: full power has been restored.
• 5:43
  [SPEAKER_08]: And Jillian gets to look over and finally see Spock without that headband without the headband.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: She sees the eyes in the ears and uh, welcome aboard.
• 5:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: And she just kind of like nods her head like, uh, thanks.
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, the non-verbal acting, you've got to watch that in this film.
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: She does a great job with it.
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: The fact that she's she lingers on staring at him and goes through the thought process of like, oh, who's the, oh, that's him.
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?
• 6:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's all right in her face and since that's the mark of great actors when you see that their process in the things and they're not just blowing right past them, you know, she does a great job with him.
• 6:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 6:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, you know, Scott to your point from our last episode, Jillian, not unlike Edith Killer, she's already anticipating things about the future.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_08]: And so she isn't as surprised as you think that she would be with all of this.
• 6:33
  [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
• 6:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: You think she'd be like freaking out, but she's, she's, look, she just wasn't made for these times the twentieth century.
• 6:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: There's something about her that is she's not in her element.
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: She soon will be
• 6:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: But just like Edith Killer was way ahead of her time, so is Julian.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: There's a lot to both of these characters that make them similar that I just never really gave it a thought until, to sort of approaching this episode of Cinophiles doing Star Trek IV with you, making me see Star Trek IV in a completely new way after all these years.
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: And it makes sense.
• 7:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: And at this moment is when a hoard chimes in and says they found check-off, he's in the hospital, he's in critical condition and not expected to survive.
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jim, got to let me go in there.
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't leave him in the hands of twenty century medicine.
• 7:27
  [SPEAKER_14]: Admiral, may I suggest that Dr. McCoy is correct?
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_14]: We must help check-off.
• 7:34
  [SPEAKER_15]: Is that the logical thing to do, smart?
• 7:36
  [SPEAKER_15]: No.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_15]: But it is the human thing to do.
• 7:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: And that goes back to your point, Steve, that you made earlier about how ever since.
• 7:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: And the way John, I think this was your point about how having McCoy, you know, them share of all people, Spockham McCoy having the share, you know, about you, you know, with the culture that Spock has changed.
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's that more than anything is not even the death experience and the resurrection, but more of him sharing
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: space with the most emotional human, he could possibly know.
• 8:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: That is really what's changed him more than anything.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: Can I tell you the epiphany I had literally an hour ago?
• 8:16
  [SPEAKER_08]: Sure.
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_08]: So we've been talking about Spock.
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's just an evolution of all the things we've been talking about about how his character grows and changes through the course of the series.
• 8:25
  [SPEAKER_08]: And the thought that I had about an hour goes, when we're young, particularly this is true of young men, but this true of everybody, you really want to know who you're supposed to be.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_08]: And young men frequently get
• 8:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: fascinated by code, samurai, code, codes of honor, what is a man supposed to, I'm supposed to be like this.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_08]: This is what a man does.
• 8:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: This is what a person does.
• 8:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: And we're also desperate for affection and approval from the community that we're in and so we're trying to fit in and we're trying to do all things, trying to be something.
• 8:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then there's this thing that happens and it certainly happened to me and my guess is it's happened to both of you somewhere in your late forties or early fifties where you start to go, fuck that.
• 9:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: Why am I doing this?
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  [SPEAKER_08]: And the real question becomes, who am I?
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, who do I want to be?
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_08]: You just kind of, it stops me so important to fulfill all these codes and please all these other people.
• 9:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I was like, oh, that's where Spock is.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_08]: When he was young, he was like, I'm trying to be full vocal.
• 9:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's the goal.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: And anything else stressed him out.
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, he literally torn to pieces in a lot of ways by the struggling parts of his personality.
• 9:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: And now he's going
• 9:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I'm Vulcan and I'm human.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's all great.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm going to be me.
• 9:35
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm just going to be me.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's who I'm going to be.
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I'll tell you one more thing is I had to look up exactly how old Leonard need my was when he made this movie and he was fifty five years old.
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: Basically exactly my age may be going through those same moments of like, oh, I don't have to conform to some ideal.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: I just be me.
• 9:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, it's funny to say that.
• 9:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: First of all, I did not realize that Leonard Neymoy was fifty-five when he directed Star Trek IV.
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm fifty-six now, and that, you know, we've all been through, you know, very stages of our lives where we, you know, maybe want to pivot, hit the reset button, you know, it takes stock of ourselves.
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I mean, you know,
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: full disclosure, I'm certainly going through that now.
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, we work in a business where there is a shelf life on things.
• 10:26
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I am, you know, asking myself, that for the same question, like, who am I?
• 10:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: What am I doing?
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: This is really what I'm going to do.
• 10:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: Probably more information that you would expect on an episode of the cinephiles.
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's the truth.
• 10:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not even joking.
• 10:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: I've really been trying to take stock of like, okay, you know, I've done.
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: I did this for this part of my life.
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_07]: I did that for that part of my life.
• 10:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: Now that I'm in this part of my life, what do I want to do with it?
• 10:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: And as absolutely people go through stages for sure.
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, some people just do one job for the rest of their lives.
• 11:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think an entertainment show business, you don't do that.
• 11:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: Even actors do different things every time they act.
• 11:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: And it's just a very, very challenging time for anybody working in an attainment industry because of all the challenges that people in production and, you know, criticism, press everybody is facing.
• 11:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: Anyway, this is my grandson.
• 11:28
  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, fortunately, in the twenty-third century, they're going to have all sorts of cures for all these problems because they will figure it all out because that's what happens next, which is, and I think this next sequence is just pure, silly fun.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: We show up at the hospital at a median.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're just charging through Gillians with them.
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're dressed as doctors.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: And immediately, we see this woman on a gurney.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's the matter with you?
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_12]: Kidney dialysis?
• 11:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Diabetes.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: God, what is this in dark ages?
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: He gives her a pill and walks away.
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_08]: So great.
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_08]: Set up and then the payoff is even better.
• 12:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I think this is a minor but key detail, which is that immediately they come up the plan in Jillian immediately jumps on that gurney and understands the scam that they're going to run.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's up for it.
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And everything you've seen before her before with her before this moment, you know that she is a woman who is ruled by her beliefs and her passions.
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so this is a situation where she is going to get involved, she is jumping in with both feet.
• 12:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So she's a very committed person when she believes in something, she goes full bore into it.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so the fact that she's jumping into the gurney right at the end of this,
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: game, and then going to be moaning her eyes out in a few seconds, shows you that she cares about these whales and she'll do whatever she can to save them, you know.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_08]: In the elevator with a bunch of doctors talking about chemotherapy, we basically it's basically saying joke different way.
• 12:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to leave a lot.
• 12:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a different view doctor?
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some's like the guy, I'm Spanish in position.
• 13:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I want to tell you a quick story.
• 13:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: The blonde gentleman in the elevator is a man I worked with for two for a year at a TV station.
• 13:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: His name is Tom Muston.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was a burgeoning actor at the time.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Very young in his career because I had this conversation with him after I met him in the nineties.
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he worked at the Charlottesville NBC station.
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I got to know him when I was taken a break between community college and going to Florida State.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really awesome gentleman stayed in the business in the news.
• 13:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's out of Colorado now, but really nice guy.
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so when I asked him, but he said, it was just a joy to be on the set for shooting that scene and being in an elevator with one of my heroes from Star Trek days in William Shattner was an amazing experience.
• 13:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so was he nice?
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: He said he was nice.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't know make it him stuff.
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he said like this was a he didn't work out for him as an actor.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this was something he did in that at that time because he was trying to kind of break into the business.
• 14:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I always makes him smile because you can only see this scene with him in it after they had released the sixteen by nine version in the team.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was always cut off at the side.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's one of those things that you discover later on.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's so cool.
• 14:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's really good.
• 14:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: My feeling about Shatner having heard all the stories I know Scott you've met at many times with to me.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_08]: It just sounds like it's not even a question of nice or not nice.
• 14:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's just shatner's gonna shatter.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's just gonna shatter.
• 14:35
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's gonna be what it's gonna be, you know?
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_08]: So we get to the the corridor where check off is being held.
• 14:41
  [SPEAKER_08]: And of course, there's cops there who don't want to let them in because this is a secure area and bone says, Dammit, do you want a acute case on your hands?
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: This woman has immediate post-prando upper abdominal extension.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: and they immediately get out of the way.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: This is a great joke.
• 14:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: They say, what do you say?
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_08]: She's got cramps.
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's just all so much fun.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I think it's a really, really fun scene.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: This is such a fun scene.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's not master filmmaking.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's not deep character.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's not it's just here characters we love and we get to love watching them do this thing because now they're going to drill a hole and check off his head and bones is arguing with them.
• 15:21
  [SPEAKER_08]: And finally,
• 15:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: My god, man.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Drilling holes in his head is not the answer.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: The artery must be repaired.
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now put away your butcher knives and let me save this patient before it's too late.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_08]: And when they start to argue, that's when Kirk pulls the phaser, puts the doctor in another room and melts the door handles so they can't get out.
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: I just like that, you know, Kirk, he just, you know, is really cool about it.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: And then he finally, like, he just takes out the phases of getting there.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then, you know, McCoy puts his little device on Chekhov's head.
• 15:54
  [SPEAKER_08]: By the way, Scott, we made a joke throughout all of enterprise incidents that McCoy is the worst doctor in the world when it comes to first aid.
• 16:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: All he does, he sees his person on the ground, he just goes, he's dead Jim.
• 16:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: There's more first aid in any episode of ER than McCoy ever does.
• 16:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: But in Star Trek four, he can cure everybody.
• 16:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, he made up.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know what?
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: He made up for all of his shortcomings as a doctor when the enterprise.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like, he's in the twentieth century.
• 16:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's like, you know, rubbed his hands together.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, like, get a cure the lady of the analysis and, uh,
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: definitely make it up for his shortcomings.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me of a professional basketball player who is the all the way at the end of the bench.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he's bad compared to the other players that are in his league, but when he comes down to the local wreck league, he destroys everybody.
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Essentially bringing twenty third century knowledge to the twentyth century.
• 16:57
  [SPEAKER_08]: So he can kick ass here and check out his eyes start to flutter open.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Me, rank.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Check off.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pablo, rank.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Admiral.
• 17:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Admiral.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: like they're not out of the woods yet.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: They gotta get out of the hospital.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_08]: I want to focus on this joke just for a moment.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: Okay.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: So first of all, one of the interesting things, and I really was clear to me, Scott, when we did our show, we did our watch along, is how check off fits into the crew when he shows up on the enterprise, which is, for some reason, check off the youngest, lowest rank person in the group feels perfectly comfortable making jokes.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, that are kind of pushing the boundaries of things and being to the all the Russian jokes, all that stuff.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: He just, and so my question, my question for this moment, is he actually not fully conscious and fantasizing that he's an admiral or is check off making a joke?
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think he's making a joke.
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 17:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think he's making a joke.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, if you like, you know, like, the way that Kirk was just like, you know, a name rank, you know, he says his name, you know, and then he says his rank, you know, he's like, ah, like, totally a joke.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the smile that he's in that role with that shows you that he's joking.
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's that the pause and then the smile and that's slow.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a patient, doctor.
• 18:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna make it.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: He came in with a sheet.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: One little mistake.
• 18:28
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then the worst cops, possibly in the history of film, you literally could just grab the gurney.
• 18:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: But instead, they left them bad guys go with the preachers.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: They were supposed to be guarding and running to the surgery room.
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's crazy.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then we have a fun run out where, of course, again, we run into the old lady who is ecstatically dancing about her new kidney that apparently grew entirely back.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: Just like that.
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: I said, I got a new kitty.
• 19:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: I got a new kitty.
• 19:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: And they're running through the hospital.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: They go into the elevator, call for Scotty to transport them.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: And of course, the doors open in the cops, see an empty room.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: And they beam into the park before walking up the steps into the bounty.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I'm going like, why did Scotty not beam them just straight to the transport room on the bounty?
• 19:24
  [SPEAKER_08]: And the only reason I can think of that they would do.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's got to be a scheduling reason.
• 19:27
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's the only thing.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_08]: You can't take Jillian on to the ship.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because he's, you know, Scott has been around a while.
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so he knows, like, we can't be taking on twenty the surgery in person back with us.
• 19:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like Jillian was already on the ship.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: She had no, but they were about to, they're about to leave.
• 19:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: So you're totally right, but what it really is is it's it's it's it's not like the Scotty knowing that he shouldn't being Jillian aboard is is I think Motivatable and I think that's what's what we're gonna decide is happening, but what's really happening is that the screenwriters are going we want this last scene and it has to be in the park right therefore we have to beam them to the park otherwise we can't have the scene the way it is.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, now Kirk just wants to get that radio frequency so it can track them
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: What are you talking about?
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm coming with you.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_11]: You can't.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_11]: Our next stop is the twenty-third century.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't care.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've got nobody here.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've got you.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: I haven't got time for argue with you.
• 20:29
  [SPEAKER_08]: And Kirk is just like, no, you know, which I understand that you can't just kidnap her and take her to another century.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_08]: And she might die in the process anyway.
• 20:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
• 20:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's right.
• 20:38
  [SPEAKER_08]: She gives him the frequency.
• 20:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: He thanks her.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then he says, I think is this as close to be me up Scotty as we ever get in Star Trek.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: Correct.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_08]: Correct.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: Great.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: The Scotty comes first, but instead of be me up Scotty is Scotty.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: Be me up.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: And then just as soon as he said that, she jumps in his arms.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: The beam starts and she says,
• 21:00
  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's again, it's almost romantic.
• 21:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's right, right, but it isn't.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: The words like right on the edge of is this romantic?
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: It feels like there is something is there.
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: There is a spark between them.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: There is great chemistry.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_07]: She jumps into his arms.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: He doesn't step into the beam.
• 21:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: She jumps into his arms, surprise, and she is like kind of flustered a little bit, being that close to him.
• 21:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: And this moment when they be back to the bounty, this is like the end of act two of this movie.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: Back on the bridge.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_10]: So I'm trying to remember how this thing worked.
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_10]: Got used to it, Julie.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: For the entire second act, basically, you saw the crew of the Enterprise.
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: absolute fish out of water for our benefit for the comic relief of it all and Jillian is like our window into into this world of dealing with these people who are out of their element but now the that the bounty has taken off and they are all at their stations they are back in their element i mean they're not physically back in the twenty-third century but in their heads they are because they are back at their stations
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: they're speaking their language.
• 22:18
  [SPEAKER_07]: So as much it's it's just such a great transition from the way that Kirk and McCoy and Scottie and and Sulu and they're all a check-up and the horror especially they're they're out of their element and now they are back in it and they're doing the jobs that they've been doing for many many many years that they are great at.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: and they're doing the jobs that we've seen the do.
• 22:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're back in character.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're the fish are back in the water, so to speak.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_08]: One of the things that's nice, I think, about having the cling on bird or prey rather than the enterprise, no disrespect to the enterprise's greatest starships ever, but is that
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_08]: Part of it is special effects, and part of it is the conceit of how the Federation works, is that we don't have a lot of fast flying ships.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, Scott has just brought up his beautiful model of the USS Enterprise.
• 23:13
  [SPEAKER_08]: And so it's just fun to have the Klingon Bird of Play flying over San Francisco, and because you get this sense of speed and excitement, it's just fun.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_13]: You present the appearance of a man with a problem.
• 23:22
  [SPEAKER_13]: Your perception is great, Dr.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_13]: In order to return us to the exact moment we left the twenty-third century, I have used our journey back through time as a reference, calculating the coefficient of a lapsed time in relation to the acceleration curve.
• 23:35
  [SPEAKER_13]: That's true.
• 23:37
  [SPEAKER_13]: So what's your problem?
• 23:39
  [SPEAKER_13]: Acceleration is no longer a constant.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, then, you're just going to have to take your best shot.
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_13]: Best shot.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, Spock.
• 23:51
  [SPEAKER_13]: Your best guess.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_13]: Yes, sing is not in my nature, Dr.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_13]: nobody's perfect.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: So many great moments that McCoy and Spock have had many of them contentious, but some of them really intimate, and this is the intimate one, that McCoy is not losing his patience with Spock.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's trying to reach him on a human level, one that Spock is more open to than he probably has been
• 24:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: in a very long time, if not ever.
• 24:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: I would too.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, I had to think about it too, but they're up there.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's up there.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, I'm going to costel.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_08]: We have contact with the whales.
• 24:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're heading towards them.
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_08]: And what do we see as we head towards the whales, but a whaling boat?
• 24:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: And to me, this is like the setup for one of the strangest action builds in cinema history.
• 25:00
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's totally unlike anything else, you know?
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: It is like anything else.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: And the original idea for this moment was also unlike anything else except maybe the movie Black Sunday because Harbin and Nicholas Meyer cut apart
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: in the film from the original script where the bird prey was supposed to appear over the Super Bowl half time show.
• 25:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, wow.
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm not sure why they would have been there or if it would have been earlier in the film, maybe they would have arrived.
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, when San Francisco, Doran the Super Bowl who knows, but there was a there was definitely a moment when the bird prey was supposed to appear over the Super Bowl half time show and all the people watching a half time show thought it was like,
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_07]: you know, some spectacle and they were all cheering it on.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: I can't even get my head around how that would make that fit into any of this story.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think they took it out.
• 26:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: So we're flying in and it's basically we see the whales swimming underwater.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: We see the whale in ship and that it's spotted them and that it's petting towards them.
• 26:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: We see them loading the harpoon.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're getting closer and closer.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: And there is a I feel like for me emotionally a real sense of dread for the whales who don't know how much danger they're in at that moment, you know.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: the scene always, even as many times as I've seen the movie, I always get like, oh, no, you know, I know they're going to be okay.
• 26:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: I still get really worried about the whales because, you know, they're totally innocent creatures, you know, and they're being hunted and now we're seeing a hunt in it.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, in motion.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: And even though you know, they're going to be OK, I still always get worried when I see this moment.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think they used foreign people, foreign to America people?
• 26:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because they didn't want it to be Americans who are taking out these whales.
• 27:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was a conscious choice.
• 27:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, somewhere near Alaska.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, Americans aren't as far as I know aren't whaling.
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're not doing, I mean, there might be some rogue American dude who's participating whaling.
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_08]: But mostly it's Japan and a few other countries.
• 27:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: Very few countries actually were whaling during the eighties.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_08]: Good.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_08]: So that makes sense to me.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_08]: And we're getting closer and closer and they've got the basically their harping.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_08]: Harpoon is in.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_08]: They've got the whales dead to right.
• 27:30
  [SPEAKER_08]: The harpoon fires.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's shooting out towards the whales.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_08]: and then it runs into something metal.
• 27:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: Which I find so satisfying in this moment.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 27:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 27:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I'd love the big reveal, the big reveal, when the bird of prey declopes and the front of the bird of prey with the full time torpedo like like red, like it's going to fight, it's not going to, but just the most ominous angle
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: of the bird prey above the whaling boat just to scare the hell out of them and that's exactly what it does.
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: It scares the hell out of them to their they're turning the wheel like it's going around in circles they have no idea there's a twenty-third century right in front of their eyes.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah it's a fantastic moment and it just kind of brings home
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, one of the struggles today is trying to find, who's it okay to have as your bad guy?
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_08]: Because everything has been politicized.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, based on the country of origin or the race or is it a corporate bad guy or is it a government bad guy and like everything people will jump on a side on?
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: in our world today.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: The whales are a great solution.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: Even though it's environmental in nature, which is a more lefty thing, we all love Georgian Gracie.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: Nobody wants a huge Georgian Gracie get killed.
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: And so we're just like, great.
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_08]: Scared the crap out of the whales with the giant, you know, with the cling on ship.
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: This is awesome.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: We love it.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yep.
• 28:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: Now we're back on the bounty and Scotty has to beam up two humpback whales in all their water and he is very nervous and there they appear behind the glass and Scotty says,
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: There would be whales here.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: But this is more than just a beam in like we've seen a million times between the eighty episodes and previous three films.
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like the the beam in for the whales because it's not just the whales.
• 29:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's the water.
• 29:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's a slow beam in and as it's slowly leaning in we can hear
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: the infrastructure of the bird prey being maxed out because of all the pressure of the whales and the water.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: And you know, you can understand why Scotty is nervous.
• 29:42
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's like, boy, I hope that this transparent aluminum holds the whales and holds the water.
• 29:49
  [SPEAKER_07]: And then it does.
• 29:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: And he says his line.
• 29:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: And it's one of the great Scotty moments at Merrill therapy whales here.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: It was Jimmy's favorite line.
• 29:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: James still was favorite line in all of Star Trek that he brought.
• 30:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, wow.
• 30:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yep.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's cool.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_11]: That's very cool.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_13]: Well, Mr. Spock, if you were counted for the variable mass of whales and water in your time reentry program, Mr. Scott cannot give me exact figures at room.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_13]: So I will make a guess.
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_13]: A guess.
• 30:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: You, Spock?
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_11]: That's extraordinary.
• 30:22
  [SPEAKER_08]: So first of all, I just love the moment.
• 30:24
  [SPEAKER_08]: I love that Spock is embraced the guest thing and I love the penetrating nature of Kirk to realize how big a deal that is that he's doing that.
• 30:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It gets a little bit anchor-manish sometimes.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you think?
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: We are laughing.
• 30:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: We are pointing out that things are happening.
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know what?
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let me get put on my own time.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm about that.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm about to put so much pressure on him.
• 30:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But you know that's who Kirk is.
• 30:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's all from the place of love for his friend to pull him back to where he was before.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
• 30:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: And this might be speaking of the love hate relationship.
• 30:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: This might be among the sweetest moments for me, from McCoy ever.
• 31:01
  [SPEAKER_13]: I don't think he understands.
• 31:02
  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, Spock.
• 31:04
  [SPEAKER_13]: He means that he feels safer about your guesses than most other people's facts.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_13]: Then you're saying it is a compliment.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_13]: It is.
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_13]: Oh, then I will try to make the best guess I can.
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's just McCoy reassuring him.
• 31:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: What a relationship to see the ups and downs of the spot McCoy relationship.
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's peak of the contention being in all our yesterdays when spot goes to strangle him.
• 31:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: And McCoy says, are you trying to kill me spock?
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like, and that came after three seasons of arguments.
• 31:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: And then, you know, in Star Trek three, you're suffering from the effects of a Vulcan might melt.
• 31:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: That green blood, it's some of a bitch.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's his revenge for all those arguments he lost.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, there's so many great moments between these guys, but you're right Steve.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: This is really, really, really nice.
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: Jillian is looking at the whales and Kirk, who I am sure Shattner insisted that he get this line.
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_11]: You don't even mean he's dead.
• 32:14
  [SPEAKER_11]: I say the sea is cold, but the sea contains the hottest blood of all.
• 32:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Whales we've not.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: The H Lawrence.
• 32:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: So the rest of that quote and the wildest, the most urgent.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: So Steve Morris.
• 32:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_08]: had a James T. Kirk know about this quote.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm assuming you're asking so that I will reply because he's a nerd.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: And he had a stack of books.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: He was a stack of books with legs.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: Correct.
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: He is a nerd.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: We keep coming back to that because it's true.
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: He he's a nerd.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_07]: He.
• 32:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: We also keep coming back before she did.
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: We also keep coming back to it because we're nerds.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: It makes us feel good that.
• 32:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, it's true.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: Now we're in the same boat as Captain Kirk.
• 33:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: I love the little moment when Scotty says, the beast he seemed happy to see a doctor.
• 33:06
  [SPEAKER_10]: I hope you like a little aquarium.
• 33:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: A miracle, Mr. Scott.
• 33:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: Now she doesn't know that he's known as the miracle worker, but he is, you know.
• 33:17
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's he is.
• 33:17
  [SPEAKER_14]: A miracle.
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's yet to come.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_08]: And that's when he explains, hey, by coming with us, you're probably going to die.
• 33:24
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're trying to go through time with a bunch of whales in an old ship.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_08]: This might not work very well.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: But that's the thing.
• 33:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's the thing.
• 33:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's in a guy's like, like they just did this incredible accomplishment of tracking down the whales, of installing the right
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_07]: the right infrastructure inside the bird of prey to hold the whales and the water.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: They beam up the whales and the water and the whales are fine.
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're fine.
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're alive and well.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: But damn, we got to get this thing back to the twenty-third century.
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: So, you know, we are so not out of the woods yet.
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: Admiral, I think mustard control.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: Acceleration crushes its box command.
• 34:08
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're going faster and faster towards the sun.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_08]: And fortunately, we do not go into any weird dissolving through different shapes of the crew member time travel.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: What I love about the scene is you're right.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_07]: We skipped over the whole weird bit that we had to see when we went back into the twentieth century.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: But we are.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_07]: breaking thrusters of fired, and Kirk says, when the hell are we?
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: And then, you know, you don't see the exterior.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: There's nothing on the view screen.
• 34:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: He doesn't say, you know, a screen, you know, give me a visual.
• 34:42
  [SPEAKER_07]: we hear the probe and the power starts to dim and it's just this ominous, ominous feeling and Kirk just says the probe like we're back.
• 34:57
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's one of those cases where
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_08]: not showing the specific bunch of them in this episode.
• 35:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're not showing the special effects not going to the spectacle is more dramatic than it would have been if we had seen the probe.
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: It is a dramatic moment.
• 35:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I love at this moment that we cut back to Starfleet at the moment before the ship left when that very iconic visual happen of the glass breaking.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_08]: Get him back.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_13]: Get him back.
• 35:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: I love going right back to that moment.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, they arrived back as from the moment they left.
• 35:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: And the moment they left, you see, you see, Sarah, like, looking, but now he says, look, and these, obviously, pointing to the bird appray, falling, spiraling out of control from the sky.
• 35:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: Flies down through this terrible storm, past the Golden Gate Bridge, crashes into the water, and things go really, really fast right now.
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: We're in the water!
• 35:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: Blow the hat!
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I mean, this is the Titanic.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: At this point, we're abandoning ship.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: People are climbing out.
• 36:04
  [SPEAKER_08]: Kirk is heading down to save to get to the whales.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: Scotty and Jillian are trapped near the whales.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: Whales are trapped.
• 36:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: They'll drown.
• 36:11
  [SPEAKER_05]: They'll cover to the bay door.
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: You all have to.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: They close the hatch.
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_05]: Andrew, you'll be trapped.
• 36:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: because this is what Kirk does.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: This is what this is a great Kirk moment that, you know, where you would see him, you know, a fight con in the engineering movement against a space sea, you know, where he would save the day.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: This is a true classic Star Trek original series moment.
• 36:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's really cool.
• 36:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: And by the way, it sounds like it looks really scary.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_08]: Him swimming through this debris with all this stuff in the hold.
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: And according to Shatter, it sounds like it was pretty scary.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, like, because you're swimming.
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't have like swimming.
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm a very strong swimmer, but swimming under things freaks me out.
• 36:57
  [SPEAKER_08]: So having to do this kind of a thing would would be very scary, especially at his age when it was making the movie, you know?
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I have a question.
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I, the only person who in under's water sequences like this always holds my breath to see if I can hold my breath as long as the movie.
• 37:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: I, I think, uh, instinctively.
• 37:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: I, I feel like I'm on the movie too.
• 37:19
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know what I mean?
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: I don't know if I hold my breath.
• 37:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_07]: I've never knew that.
• 37:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was a lot of how long you can hold your breath, how many laps can you swim underwater?
• 37:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was a big deal in my household.
• 37:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: The answer is my record was six laps underwater without a roll.
• 37:48
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's very impressive.
• 37:50
  [SPEAKER_08]: I spent a lot of time underwater trying to hold my breath as a kid.
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: This is the weird things we do.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_08]: But so he swims through.
• 37:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: I like the design of that manual override that he has to open up and then pull down and he finally does it.
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: He opens up the door.
• 38:04
  [SPEAKER_08]: I love the bubbles as the seal opens and he swims out up to the surface and is pulled out into the stormy weather by Mr. Spock.
• 38:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: Every time I go to Paramount Studios in Hollywood, fifty-five, fifty-five Melrose Avenue, every single time I go there for like a screening or a meeting or whatever.
• 38:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: Every time I look over at the water tower, I look at the big blue screen that they have there.
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: They filmed many movies in that parking lot that they use as a water tank.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: Another film that was filmed there was Patriot games at the end of the film with Harris Ford.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: But this is where they filmed on the Paramount lot.
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_07]: Right, maybe steps away from where the original series was filmed, and stage thirty-one, or Desi-Wu's stage nine.
• 38:57
  [SPEAKER_07]: And that's where they filmed, the scene of them clinging to the front of the bird appray, hoping that the whales will start singing.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: Why don't they answer?
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: Why don't they sing?
• 39:08
  [SPEAKER_08]: Don't we see the whales descend?
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then they slowly rotate till their heads are pointed down.
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then we go back to the probe that's in space.
• 39:16
  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's no longer making that ominous noise.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then it moves, turning in space, also pointing its essentially head down to match the whales.
• 39:25
  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's all very quiet throughout this moment.
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_08]: So that when the whale song comes, it's really, really powerful.
• 39:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, every time,
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: I've seen this movie and every day show the close up of either Georgia, Gracie, one of the whales, and you see, you see the eye.
• 39:43
  [SPEAKER_07]: I thought that was a real will.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: I have no idea about that animatronic will, but what I will also say is after seeing this movie a few times back in the day during the eighties, every single time after that that I would watch Jaws
• 39:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: And there's that scene on the Orca right before the shark attacks, you know, of the big finale scene when they're sitting below deck and he's talking about the Indianapolis and and you hear the whale song.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think it's Star Trek for of course.
• 40:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: That makes sense.
• 40:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: That makes sense.
• 40:16
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then we have, and I think you mentioned Scott before, that this was supposed to be subtitled, essentially a conversation between the whales and the probe, but fortunately we're not subtitled.
• 40:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 40:27
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think this is very close in countersich.
• 40:29
  [SPEAKER_08]: I hadn't thought about it until this last time watching, but we have this musical essentially conversation going on that we can't understand, you know?
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I think the conversation is actually, I, so, hey, I'm going to Starbucks.
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: You want anything?
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, give me a mocha.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: Do you want a frappuccino?
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: No, no, just a regular hot mocha.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_07]: You want a Grande, a Venti?
• 40:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, make it a Grande.
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: So, it may be wipe out all these humans because I don't care that they brought us to the future.
• 40:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: They literally killed all the other, one is a mess on this plane.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have to say, I've never thought a close encounter so that's interesting.
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen it.
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I always think of two thousand one.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just I have.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 41:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because the monolith there essentially in the sky, the black thing that it is reminds me.
• 41:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then even the probe, when they do the close up of the probe, which looks like
• 41:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what, like almost like a baby, it almost looks like a space baby, a whale baby in the way it's designed.
• 41:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So for me, that's what I look and the glowing off the probe, it just makes it feel that way to me.
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But close and counter is certainly to you.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense with the way they're communicating, considering how that works.
• 41:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's not subtitled either.
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's really, that's a really great comparison.
• 41:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then that ball goes back up into the probe.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: And we don't know what that means, except we means that something's happens, something's changed.
• 41:43
  [SPEAKER_08]: We want it goes horizontal and disappears and then the music becomes more positive and the whales come up to the surface and they're splashing and the crew is cheering and the clouds are clear and power.
• 41:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: Power comes back on and
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_08]: then the fun music hits and the whales are just jumping and playing and the crew is playing and joyful and I feel like almost to me and I'll curious what you guys think.
• 42:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: This scene is to me is the culmination of all of the Star Trek the original series.
• 42:17
  [SPEAKER_08]: This is like it's not discarding five and six or anything like that, but this is the moment, the greatest moment of the crew of the Enterprise, the most joyful coming together moment in the history of Star Trek.
• 42:29
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's accurate.
• 42:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: And you know, there's the joy that this that comes from this.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: I, you know, the way that Kirk pulled Spock into the water, just such a such a gleeful embrace of each other that they pulled this off, they did it.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: They all the, all the steps they had to go through, you know, what's that line that Tom Hanks says at a pile of thirteen, you know, he goes, we have to do a hundred things and we're on step three.
• 42:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, they had to do a lot and
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, the weather is great.
• 43:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: There's no fog in there.
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, coming in off the yes, you know, Golden Gate Bridge and there.
• 43:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: The music really adds to the joy.
• 43:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's such a joyous moment for sure.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know, because I can't remember what the feeling was that, you know, we know that George decay had had issues with Shanner.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: We know that
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: some of the actors in the series were getting tired of being tight cast and seeing as only this and so I don't know if maybe they sensed this was there like final goodbye to the series and didn't maybe necessarily have plans for a five or six and weren't sure if this was going to be Uber successful or not.
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so maybe this is their way of saying, the will of this is the last one we do.
• 43:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to go out with that feeling of brotherhood and friendship and love for each other and joy and even breaking the fourth wall a little bit with how much we are enjoying being almost childlike in this moment splashing around the water because nothing, nothing can bring you back to that feeling because it's so universal.
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: of splashing around in a swimming pool with other with your friends.
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so to me, it makes it feel like that kind of childish energy to it that puts the walls down on these adult characters and makes them really accessible and vulnerable in these moments.
• 44:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's moment.
• 44:24
  [SPEAKER_08]: Two more things about this, the first is, and I have such a strong memory of this in the theater is when Spock smiles.
• 44:33
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's just a joy.
• 44:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: There's this thing.
• 44:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's like this thing we've been waiting.
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_08]: And we've seen Spock smile a few times before.
• 44:41
  [SPEAKER_08]: But it was always fraught with all this thing.
• 44:43
  [SPEAKER_08]: And here it's not.
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's just like, oh, Spock's just happy.
• 44:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: And he's okay being happy.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_08]: He's not trying to pretend he's not happy.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_08]: He's just happy.
• 44:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's just such a powerful moment.
• 44:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: The other thing for all the people out there who are desperate to recreate this moment and their next visit to San Francisco, the Warren, the San Francisco Bay is very cold.
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_12]: This is not fun to swim in.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_12]: Council is now in session.
• 45:08
  [SPEAKER_12]: Bring in the accused and the crew enters in Spockwalks up to them.
• 45:11
  [SPEAKER_12]: Captain Spock, you do not stand accused.
• 45:16
  [SPEAKER_13]: Mr. President, I stand with my shipmates.
• 45:19
  [SPEAKER_07]: This is the first time, by the way, when they show up for the trial that
• 45:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: We see Kirk and Spock and McCoy and Scotty and Sulu, who are in check-up wearing those Starfleet uniforms since Star Trek II.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: Well, or no, sorry, the beginning of Star Trek III, the beginning of Star Trek III.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_11]: Admiral Kirk, how do you plead?
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_11]: On behalf of all of us, Mr. President, I'm authorized to plead guilty.
• 45:49
  [SPEAKER_12]: So entered.
• 45:51
  [SPEAKER_12]: Because of certain mitigating circumstances,
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_12]: All charges but one are similarly dismissed.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 45:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: They better beat this next after all that.
• 46:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: This is an orange.
• 46:04
  [SPEAKER_08]: This is an orange.
• 46:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: I love the way they kind of squared this circle.
• 46:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think this is a brilliant choice.
• 46:10
  [SPEAKER_08]: The next thing they do.
• 46:11
  [SPEAKER_08]: Because all the way back to start track the motion picture, we know Kirk wanted to get back to being the captain of a ship.
• 46:17
  [SPEAKER_08]: Like we knew that.
• 46:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: And that's what the whole plot of two is.
• 46:20
  [SPEAKER_08]: We've talked about this.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_08]: James T. Kirk.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_12]: It is a judgment of this Council that you be reduced in rank to Captain.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_12]: And that is a consequence of your new rank.
• 46:32
  [SPEAKER_12]: You be given the duties for which you have repeatedly demonstrated unswerving ability, the command of a Starship.
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: All of it.
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: All of it.
• 46:43
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, and only the only bummer is that we didn't just get a new Star Trek TOS series and we could just have dozens of adventures rather than just a company.
• 46:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 46:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But this is this is the fascinating thing because I mean, when I was younger, of course, I would see this moment and this just kind of underscored the beautiful moment we just saw with that out in the water and
• 47:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, how sweet that is.
• 47:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, of course, they're going to, but like, if I was a clingoid, if I was, uh, another exchange, and the fact that Kirk got away with this, you, and did all, I think, yes, you saved the, what, the planet of Earth, but like you still did stuff to the clingoid on people, you still, there's, I'm still upset.
• 47:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's an interesting thing that they, like, kind of avoided that.
• 47:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then all these people are selling them, of course, it's a federation, but
• 47:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've seen in subsequent series how much the Federation wasn't as unified as we were led to believe in the eighties and the sixties and in the this version of Star Trek.
• 47:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it would have been interesting to see a shot of like the Klingon ambassador storming out or something or maybe a Romulan ambassador storming out, but they got away with everything and they end up getting what what they wanted as you said Steve from the beginning, which is what Spock says does Kirk and
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: to, right, that you're what first and best place or position in starship is your first best destiny.
• 47:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's it.
• 47:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: First best destiny.
• 47:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Scott.
• 48:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, he gets away with it all.
• 48:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: They all get away with it.
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I mad, it would have been interesting to see the the cling on point of view of this of like, of course, they get away.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're their favorites for God's sake.
• 48:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: What is the going to take?
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a fascinating one, but yes, it's a beautiful moment I grew with you Steve, it's just that the way they started this movie, there was issues with what was going on, you know.
• 48:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
• 48:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm so glad you brought this up and you don't also brought up your idea of doing a cling-on focused.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_08]: What is their perspective through all these events?
• 48:30
  [SPEAKER_08]: And you're totally right because if we have them storming out, it perfectly sets up Star Trek six.
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: Like, then we get, you know, it's like, that's what this, and I'm so glad you brought this up too, because frankly, this is what governments do.
• 48:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: Governments don't just do what is right.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: You do what is expedient at that moment based on a whole bunch of stuff.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 48:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 48:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: If they had failed at this, or I don't know, because they'd all be dead, I guess if they had failed at this.
• 48:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, if they hadn't really gotten the mission correct, I think the president would have delivered a different
• 49:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: judgment.
• 49:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But as most politicians do, he stuck his fingers, went finger in the air and saw which way the win was blowing and made the decision that was best to kind of brush this under the rug and move on from it and use the fact that they saved the earth as kind of a cover for any violations that they had had in service of the Federation because they broke a lot of rules to do all the things that they did.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's interesting to do it.
• 49:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yes, it's a very sweet ending.
• 49:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean to shit on it.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just more like, it's interesting.
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, you ruined our trip for, thank you for your time.
• 49:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: The trip for it's not good now.
• 49:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, me, I just like to explore all the different ways because, and still keep the foundation that it's a beautiful ending.
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's, and there's all this other stuff that could have been interesting to see, as you said, Steve leading us into what we would get later.
• 49:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, I'm just going to take your shitting on this one step further.
• 49:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: So maybe it came up a bunch of times when we were doing enterprise incidents, which is that, you know, and this is just dramatic structure is there are dozens and dozens of times where it's till the lats Kirk make some crazy gamble.
• 50:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 50:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: And in the last possible second, the gamble pays off.
• 50:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: And if he had not worked in the last possible second, everyone on the enterprise, whole planets, all sorts of terrible, terrible things would have happened.
• 50:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
• 50:13
  [SPEAKER_08]: is that on each of these cases, you could say, because when you're down to three, two, one, and you diffuse the bomb on one, that means if you were one second late, everybody died.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_08]: Which means that Kirk has essentially gotten lucky over and over and over again and taking a lot of credit for it.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_08]: What really, we don't want any, because most people don't get lucky every single time.
• 50:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, luck doesn't mean so we don't want people doing things like Kirk at all.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, most of them are terrible.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: But for Kirk it ends up great.
• 50:47
  [SPEAKER_08]: And at this moment, Jillian comes up and is Kirk maybe flirting with her a little bit?
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: Wait a minute.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: Wait a minute.
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_11]: Where are you going?
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're going to your ship.
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm going to mine.
• 51:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Science vessel.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: I got three hundred years of catch-up learning to do.
• 51:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, this is goodbye.
• 51:08
  [SPEAKER_08]: Kirk really think he was hooking up with Jillian.
• 51:11
  [SPEAKER_08]: I, yeah.
• 51:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Kirk is an inherently lonely man.
• 51:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, when he finds something, and I think this because Kirk is a unique human being, and you just went through a whole great monologue of the things that could have gone wrong if Kirk's guess is
• 51:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, didn't work out, right?
• 51:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he would have not been an extraordinary human being.
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was guess has had more gap up because they have.
• 51:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: He is an extraordinary human being.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And because he is, who he partners up with, the person wants to be extraordinary themselves.
• 51:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so he is always doomed to be a person
• 51:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: who never gets the incredible woman to be as partner.
• 51:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Until, of course, we got to generations and this Phantom woman that she's talking about on a horse and whatever.
• 52:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever.
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I take that.
• 52:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
• 52:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you, Scotty.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so
• 52:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he can win it everything else, but he must have someplace where he can't win.
• 52:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: And even though it doesn't bring in the no-in scenario, believe in the no-in scenario, it is in the personal relationships where he never seems to get the woman that is his partner in life, he always loses out on it.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's that little bit of tragedy, I think that helps him to become
• 52:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: a person that we kind of subconsciously love for that as well, you know, and I think it's to have her walk away from just like really just like a killer dying in that episode.
• 52:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's that kind of a little bit of tragedy underneath everything for Kirk.
• 52:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's that's beautifully said, but you know, this is
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: Julia looks so perfect in a uniform.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
• 52:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's clearly where she belongs.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
• 53:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: She's in her time with George and Gracie.
• 53:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: And she was always at way, way ahead of her time.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: So now she called up with the time that she was supposed to be at.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: And they mission accomplished.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: The whales were brought back to the future.
• 53:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: The probe was satisfied.
• 53:19
  [SPEAKER_07]: Earth is safe.
• 53:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: All the starships are getting all their power back.
• 53:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: And now Kirk can be like, okay.
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_07]: Let's kind of explore our feelings for each other.
• 53:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: And she goes, no, sorry.
• 53:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm out of here.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'm on a science vessel.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: What does have to be goodbye?
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: Well.
• 53:40
  [SPEAKER_11]: Like they say in your's entry, I don't even have your total number.
• 53:44
  [SPEAKER_11]: How will I find you?
• 53:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's totally floating with her.
• 53:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes.
• 53:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: And she's like, she goes to kiss her.
• 53:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: She turns her head.
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: Kisses are one of the cheek and whispers in his ear.
• 53:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: See around the galaxy.
• 53:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: What a great, great wine.
• 54:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: may not be up there with this line, but it's here's looking at you, kid.
• 54:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 54:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: Beautiful, beautiful moments.
• 54:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: And again, I just very
• 54:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, I keep going back to this, but I just feel like there is a similar admiration that Kirk has for Jillian that he also had for Edith.
• 54:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yes, Andrew.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: Very different.
• 54:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_07]: These were very different in sitting on the edge of forever.
• 54:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: Very, very, very serious.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, there was no
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, there was fish out of water stuff, but it wasn't played to this kind of comic relief.
• 54:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: Maybe it was a little bit.
• 54:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: There's a good comedy in city.
• 54:48
  [SPEAKER_08]: The stone knives and bear skins and all that stuff.
• 54:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: And the cop, you know, oh, how could your wife let you leave like that?
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_07]: Here, let me help you.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, and again, the car crossing the spots is like looking at the car.
• 55:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: Hey, look out, look where you're going.
• 55:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: But I do feel like there is a correlation between Joey and Taylor and Edith Killer.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Carol Marcus.
• 55:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: These are the three women that we have seen in Star Trek that he can't quite
• 55:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: and up.
• 55:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Get over.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 55:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's no mistake.
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, Nemoy knows when to linger with the camera.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And after Jillian walks off frame, we are lingering with Kirk's reaction.
• 55:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's dumbfounded for laughing better term.
• 55:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: He is dumbfounded.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: What is he thinking like you're going again?
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've lost someone that I could have the potential with to be again.
• 55:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's an interesting moment, but then duty calls just a few seconds later.
• 55:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I liked that the camera lingers on him to really kind of process the fact that if is that he can do all of this, he can save a planet, save the galaxy.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he can't quite seem to land the girl.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's the right girl.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right girl.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right girl.
• 56:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 56:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, this is the couple things about this.
• 56:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: One is, and it's something you and I really discovered, or I'll just say that I kind of discovered it, you know, that Kirk has this reputation as the womanizer.
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: But that really only happens in season three, you know, of the original series, is that for most of Star Trek, it's actually all the women who are after Kirk.
• 56:24
  [SPEAKER_08]: It isn't that he isn't, and yes, he sometimes uses sexuality, you know, in various episodes in order to
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, complete the mission.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: But mostly the story of Kirk is a story of losing love and tragedy.
• 56:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, it isn't about him going after women all the time.
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: And the other thing that occurs to me is there's this thing.
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: that's very standard in Hollywood and grew increasingly uncomfortable in the eighties, nineties and moving up today, which is that beauty standards and casting for men and women are entirely different.
• 56:54
  [SPEAKER_08]: And so frequently, fifty, sixty-year-old men are cast in romantic relationships with twenty-five, thirty-year-old women.
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's weird, you know, and against this weird place, and I think this movie, the way it handles it, walks the tight rope in a really successful way, which is it doesn't say that an older guy can't be attracted to a younger woman, and it doesn't say a younger woman can't be attracted to an older guy, but it doesn't say they end up hooking up either.
• 57:22
  [SPEAKER_08]: It just says, yes, there is some attraction here, but we're not going to go anywhere with it, you know.
• 57:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because she's a career woman.
• 57:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Remember, this is the AIDS.
• 57:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this is one of the, you know, she's an Eastern song, modern woman.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like this is when women were really embracing being a part of the workforce, nine to five.
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like the having her say, and just look, she is, again, the nonverbal acting here from her where she lingers staring at him.
• 57:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: to his responses of like, well, how do I get your phone number?
• 57:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: What, is this goodbye?
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Am I not going to see you again?
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's the one that is pleading to be with her and to find a way for him to keep seeing each other.
• 57:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And she lingers for seconds before she responds trying to find the right response.
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm not saying she's friend zoning him, but for her, this is not the time to settle down.
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is not the time to explore relationship.
• 58:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's come into the world.
• 58:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: She wants to discover all this stuff later on down the road is when she'll
• 58:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: maybe find someone that she wants to settle down with.
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But for right now, she's a career woman and she wants to go and establish herself in her career first and then she'll figure out love.
• 58:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which I think is as you said, Steve, they're, they don't have to end up together.
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that they have a very touching end to their connection here, I think is a smart approach to the writing that mirrors what was going on in our society with changing gender dynamics.
• 58:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: Spock and Sarah.
• 58:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: Again, I feel like this is the resolution of a conflict that we created, that we discussed the three of us on journey to Babel, you know, from the sixties, which is Sarah's disrespect and anger.
• 58:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: I was, say, anger at Spock's choice to join Starfleet.
• 58:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm a turner to welcome within the hour.
• 58:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: I would like to take my leave of you.
• 59:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: It was most kind of you to make this effort.
• 59:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: It was no effort.
• 59:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I'm my son.
• 59:06
  [SPEAKER_09]: Besides, I'm most impressed with your performance in this crisis.
• 59:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: This moment is so earned.
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 59:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's so earned when you look at the arc of the relationship between Spock and Sarah, you know, Journey to Beable.
• 59:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, really, Journey to Beable, a little in Star Trek III, but certainly at the beginning of Star Trek IV, and now here at the end, when Sarah says, you're associates are people of good character.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's a far cry from the disrespect he had for Starfleet, Journey to Beable.
• 59:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what did you say Steve earlier, right?
• 59:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Spock is fifty-five when he makes this movie.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Your fifty-five Scott's fifty-six, you know, we're there.
• 59:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: No, I'm fifty-six too.
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_08]: You're fifty-six.
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, we're all.
• 59:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're all.
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're all.
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're all.
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're like a month apart.
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like...
• 59:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is the Sarek who is older.
• 1:00:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: That Sarek from Journey to Babel was a much younger, full of piss and vinegar guy who was very clear about what's right and what's wrong and what you should do.
• 1:00:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is an older Sarek who's been through the battles and the wars and the negotiations and the diplomacy and scene lives lost because of hard-headed decisions or adherence to a code possibly.
• 1:00:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so seeing how this all ends up, by the way, the way Spock frames it is fantastic with the two guards, one on each side of Sarah and Spock, and them in the frames center.
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they've never looked more father-in-son than they do in that moment.
• 1:00:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I have to say, I get emotional.
• 1:00:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I cry every time I watch that scene.
• 1:00:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Not as bad as field of dreams.
• 1:00:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's something about watching a character get the approval of their father.
• 1:00:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And as a journey to Babel, the way that they weave that in by saying, if I recall, it was me who did not like your wanting to be part of the Federation.
• 1:00:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then he says, I'm incorrect.
• 1:00:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then they have that shot of Spock lifting his eyebrow.
• 1:01:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, they use it in the right way that stereotypical shot of him with Little Raise Nebra because he is surprised that his father admits that he's incorrect about something which is not something Spock had ever experienced from Sarah probably ever before.
• 1:01:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so there's that real kind of letting down the walls a little bit with each other and that happens with fathers and sons as they get older.
• 1:01:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there is a little bit more of the softening of the edges because you're both vulnerable in different ways.
• 1:01:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's great to see that be an element here and how they wrap up their relationship for now.
• 1:01:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: So I want to really dig deep into Sarah's line here because I think this is some beautiful brilliant writing, and it has so much in it.
• 1:01:41
  [SPEAKER_08]: So first of all, he says, as I recall, I opposed your enlistment.
• 1:01:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yes, I recall.
• 1:01:48
  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, this is from everything we know, the central conflict in Spock in Sarah's life, it which Spock didn't speak to Sarah for decades.
• 1:01:58
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 1:01:59
  [SPEAKER_08]: Because of this conflict.
• 1:02:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: And so the minute I see my going like, it's tough and Sarah remembers everything.
• 1:02:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: So like as I recall, it's bullshit to begin with.
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's like that you made it.
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 1:02:11
  [SPEAKER_08]: No, exactly.
• 1:02:11
  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, that's not so great about the line.
• 1:02:13
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then he doesn't say I was wrong.
• 1:02:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: He says it is possible that judgment was incorrect.
• 1:02:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 1:02:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: He says maybe I was wrong.
• 1:02:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got it.
• 1:02:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
• 1:02:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to give.
• 1:02:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's never going to fully admit that he was wrong, but he will open the door to the possibility, which is probably as close to an apology as you're ever going to get from Sarah or a Vulcan.
• 1:02:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I think Spock this version of Spock understands that and accepts it.
• 1:02:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: Old version of Spock might have argued further.
• 1:02:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know what I mean?
• 1:02:43
  [SPEAKER_08]: Like, you might have been more conflict.
• 1:02:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then, Sarah asks, do you have a message for your mother?
• 1:02:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm an amazing plant in payoff because I have entirely forgotten.
• 1:02:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: I know, no memory of that sequence at the beginning.
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: And Spock says, Yes.
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: I feel fine.
• 1:03:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: Again, an earned moment.
• 1:03:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 1:03:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's bookends the entire film.
• 1:03:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: Good point.
• 1:03:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: How do you feel?
• 1:03:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: I feel fine.
• 1:03:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: And, you know, and everything that happened in between.
• 1:03:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: Spock's ability to answer that question.
• 1:03:17
  [SPEAKER_07]: Live long and prosper, Father.
• 1:03:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Great moment.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that Kirk is watching the whole time.
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:03:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that to be fascinating as well.
• 1:03:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think these two gentlemen, if they didn't have the utmost trust and confidence in Kirk would allow
• 1:03:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: him to witness this interaction between them, you know.
• 1:03:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's something about that that I think is important as well.
• 1:03:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: And when Spock parts ways with his father and he rejoins Kirk and they both just walk side by side step in step with their heads held high with with confidence like it's all it's all it's everything is happening.
• 1:03:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: everything good is happening.
• 1:03:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like we did it, you know, I didn't get the girl, but hey, you know, she's here and who knows what will happen, you know, over time, all as good with Spock and his father and his mother.
• 1:04:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: And now, well, now let's, what kind of ship are we gonna get here?
• 1:04:16
  [SPEAKER_08]: And once again, like we were in motion picture, like we were in Star Trek II, like we were once again in the shuttle heading to see the ship.
• 1:04:24
  [SPEAKER_13]: The bureaucratic mentality is the only cost of the universe.
• 1:04:29
  [SPEAKER_10]: We'll get a freighter with all respect doctor.
• 1:04:33
  [SPEAKER_10]: I'm counting on you.
• 1:04:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: I love that they are keeping that going.
• 1:04:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, when we're in SLU first sees the excelsier in Star Trek three, and she's supposed to have transport drive.
• 1:04:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's impressed and he still wants it.
• 1:04:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: And boys, he couldn't get it.
• 1:04:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: And Scotty, of course, is anti-excelsier.
• 1:04:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: Excelsier.
• 1:04:53
  [SPEAKER_11]: Oh, you and God's name would you want that bucket of balloons?
• 1:04:57
  [SPEAKER_11]: A ship as a ship?
• 1:04:59
  [SPEAKER_11]: But if you say, sir, value will be done.
• 1:05:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're sailing through space stock, and we're heading towards the Excelsior.
• 1:05:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: And there's this sort of moment of like, oh my God, are we gonna get the Excelsior?
• 1:05:11
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I remember, because I love the design of the Excelsior as a kid.
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: And so I was kind of like, oh, Cole, we're gonna get the Excelsior.
• 1:05:16
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's awesome.
• 1:05:17
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then we fly over the Excelsior.
• 1:05:20
  [SPEAKER_08]: We hear the theme of the original series.
• 1:05:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: And there is the NCC-I-N-C-C-I-N-O-I-Bash-A.
• 1:05:30
  [SPEAKER_07]: I'll tell you.
• 1:05:32
  [SPEAKER_07]: Every single time I watch this movie, I hit the same emotions with the same power at the same moments.
• 1:05:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: And seeing the enterprise, the primary hole, seeing USS Enterprise, and the camera pans across the NCC, one, seven, oh, one, dash, A. I just brings a smile to my face every time that is punctuated by Kirk's line.
• 1:05:58
  [SPEAKER_08]: My friends?
• 1:06:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: We've come out.
• 1:06:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: How they built this whole Starship in space talking, apparently nobody knew about it.
• 1:06:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: It was just a bit of a mystery to me.
• 1:06:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: That matter moments awesome.
• 1:06:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:06:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: It is an awesome moment.
• 1:06:12
  [SPEAKER_07]: And the moment just as you see the enterprise flying out of space dock and they're all on the bridge at their stations and you hear you hear the
• 1:06:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: you know the sound effect from the original series bridge like they put that sound effect there just gets me every time yeah
• 1:06:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: Let's see which has gone.
• 1:06:41
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's a great line delivery and head out and go into credits where we have images of the movie.
• 1:06:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I always love little behind the scenes, stills of the movie, highlighting the characters.
• 1:06:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: I do think this, these are, you guys are going to shock that.
• 1:06:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: These are terrible.
• 1:06:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: I just, I try to stand them.
• 1:06:58
  [SPEAKER_08]: They're not.
• 1:06:59
  [SPEAKER_08]: They're not.
• 1:07:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: They're not.
• 1:07:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: They're not.
• 1:07:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: They're not joyful.
• 1:07:04
  [SPEAKER_08]: They're not outtakes.
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: They're not.
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know.
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's weird.
• 1:07:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's not one of the credit ones that I like.
• 1:07:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: They're showing, they're showing stills, but then once the fanfare of the music kind of settles down into something more melodic, just the image of, you know, seeing Kirk and Spock walk along Marina Boulevard with the Golden Yepridge, it's such a beautiful beautiful moment.
• 1:07:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, look, I was never the biggest fan of Leonard Rosenman score for Star Trek IV.
• 1:07:35
  [SPEAKER_07]: I really wished.
• 1:07:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: I really wish that James Horner would have just finished out his trilogy, but he'd already moved on and felt like Star Trek was kind of beneath him by this point, even though it had only been a couple years since Star Trek III, but anyway, but it's still this movie.
• 1:07:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's kind of perfect.
• 1:07:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: It really is.
• 1:07:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the end shots I think are done on purpose to evoke the TV show because this is the end shots you would see in a TV show.
• 1:08:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's an interesting point.
• 1:08:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's kind of how I feel like if I remember correctly and again, we're often able to surround the same age.
• 1:08:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So like if I remember correctly, there was this feeling that this could be the last one.
• 1:08:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, once again, evoking one of the best episodes of the original series by having them go back in time to the twentieth century is a great way to kind of appeal to all the fans.
• 1:08:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then also, as a meta-way of saying to the people in the current twentieth century, this would would be like if these people came back into our time, so there's a sense of breaking down the wall there.
• 1:08:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the way that they end the film with everything being resolved, all the lingering storylines are wrapped up, except obviously the cling on stuff which I mentioned earlier, which we'd come back to on six.
• 1:08:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then at the end, having these clips play throughout, it just feels like they were saying, possibly saying goodbye,
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: by evoking all the stuff that you've come to know about the Star Trek TV show and the Star Trek series overall.
• 1:09:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: So that's a really, really great point.
• 1:09:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: John, I never thought about it, but yeah, every episode ends with the, you know, stills from the episode we've saw or stills from other episodes.
• 1:09:23
  [SPEAKER_07]: I remember
• 1:09:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: I remember when I was, when I was a kid just watching Star Trek for the first time.
• 1:09:29
  [SPEAKER_07]: And you got to the end of the, you know, the second season episodes when you're watching the credits.
• 1:09:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: And you see that image of bail-ock.
• 1:09:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, yeah.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: I stole that.
• 1:09:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's scared to hell out of me as a care.
• 1:09:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like, what the hell is that?
• 1:09:45
  [SPEAKER_07]: So, you know, I was, when I put a time I started watching Star Trek and I remember vividly that it was, it was, you know, during the second season because it was like, you know, being a mirror and all that.
• 1:09:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: So, you know, you get to the end of the credits and you see the bail-ock image.
• 1:10:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: But by that point, I still hadn't seen the corporate might maneuver, so I had no idea what that was.
• 1:10:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: Uh, but that's good.
• 1:10:08
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's still boggles my mind that you can remember what order you watched the original series.
• 1:10:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: And when you were seven years old seven, you know, telling him that it just made that much of an impact.
• 1:10:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: Of course, you're talking to somebody who has an affinity for movie of early states.
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: So sure.
• 1:10:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, come on, guys, you know this.
• 1:10:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: We all got our things.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, for sure.
• 1:10:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: The movie opened on November, twenty six.
• 1:10:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: nineteen eighty six and so less than a month later on December twenty if one of the great moments of star trek fandom for better or worse who happened that moment my friends is when way of shatter hostie oh you said it eight oh yeah my elastic episode
• 1:11:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: I remember it was obviously, you know, late at night on a Saturday, December, twenty eight, my twenty six and I was sitting up with my parents watching, you know, watching Saturday night live.
• 1:11:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: I was all excited that William Shattner was hosting because I'd already seen Star Trek four a few times.
• 1:11:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: And he does the get a life skit.
• 1:11:24
  [SPEAKER_07]: That get a life skit is still the funniest, most cringe-inducing skit.
• 1:11:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: But laugh out loud, funny, is a saturday night life moment.
• 1:11:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: I think I have ever seen.
• 1:11:38
  [SPEAKER_11]: You know, if I answer any more questions, this is something I wanted to say.
• 1:11:42
  [SPEAKER_11]: Having received all your letters over the years, and I've spoken to many of you, and some of you have traveled hundreds of miles to be here, I just like to say.
• 1:11:52
  [SPEAKER_11]: get a light.
• 1:11:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: And everyone in the audience applauded and woopped in the Howard.
• 1:12:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_07]: And he says to, uh, I think it's, uh, oh, is it?
• 1:12:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: I love it.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: I love it.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: He's wearing a blue, I grok Spockshire.
• 1:12:10
  [SPEAKER_07]: And he's wearing ears.
• 1:12:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: And he says, you, if you ever kissed a girl,
• 1:12:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: And he looks down like this.
• 1:12:18
  [SPEAKER_07]: But the moment that I remember about this is so you know the convention promoter goes up to him and he like get into the get into a shoving match and Shackner goes back to the microphone because of course that speech was a recreation of the evil Captain Kirk
• 1:12:35
  [SPEAKER_11]: from episode, um, a thirty seven.
• 1:12:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I turned around to my parents.
• 1:12:41
  [SPEAKER_07]: And I said, the enemy within is episode number five.
• 1:12:48
  [SPEAKER_07]: And my dad went to shame.
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm so, I'm glad you brought this up Scott because there's a weird, there's a weird thing about this, this is obviously very, very famous sketch.
• 1:13:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: But it's also what's weird about it is that
• 1:13:04
  [SPEAKER_08]: It is ostensibly insulting nerds, right?
• 1:13:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: Like that is the whole point.
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a nerd making fun of them.
• 1:13:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not.
• 1:13:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it means I don't have it insulting.
• 1:13:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's more amazing.
• 1:13:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying get a life.
• 1:13:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever kissed a girl?
• 1:13:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's an SNL thing.
• 1:13:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: If it was done like a serious approach, it's not a parents' basement.
• 1:13:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:13:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 1:13:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 1:13:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a serious show.
• 1:13:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was like a who shadow on like
• 1:13:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, on Charlie Rose's show or someone's like, these people need to get a life and they, if they can kiss girls, then that's insulting.
• 1:13:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is done under the auspices of like taking the piss out of something.
• 1:13:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:13:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: No, I totally agree.
• 1:13:41
  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, it is making fun of people, but in a way for me as a nerd and it sounds like Scott for you too, what the result of it was actually to feel totally seen.
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know what I mean?
• 1:13:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, probably.
• 1:13:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 1:13:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 1:13:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: Like you kind of like a batch of honor.
• 1:13:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: It was a batch of honor.
• 1:13:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 1:13:57
  [SPEAKER_08]: And he was like talking to us.
• 1:13:59
  [SPEAKER_08]: And what's so weird is that A at that time nerds were like
• 1:14:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: Nerds was not cool.
• 1:14:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: And it wasn't totally awkward.
• 1:14:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: And it wasn't just that the things you were into weren't cool.
• 1:14:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's certainly true.
• 1:14:13
  [SPEAKER_08]: But it was also you weren't cool.
• 1:14:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, that's where did you have you ever kissed a girl thing, you know, comes from.
• 1:14:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: And that now we've gone to this weird place where all the nerd stuff is totally mainstream.
• 1:14:25
  [SPEAKER_08]: And if anything, they're more obsessive and angry about all these little details.
• 1:14:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I will say to some of that community right now, get a life.
• 1:14:35
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 1:14:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 1:14:36
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah.
• 1:14:37
  [SPEAKER_07]: Now I'm clearly now like with all the, all the, the Star Wars shows and all the Star Trek shows and all the Marvel stuff and the DC stuff, you know, everyone that, you know, all of that is cool, but, you know, when we were, you know, grow up in the seventies in the eighties, it definitely was not cool at all.
• 1:14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:14:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing.
• 1:14:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:14:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I love that.
• 1:14:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: sketch because in the end, Shatter is wrong, right?
• 1:15:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this was also the time when Shatter wanted to stop doing this stuff.
• 1:15:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because if I remember correctly, he was like so tightcast with this.
• 1:15:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was his way of like trying to get a little bit of a passive aggressive shot out across the bow.
• 1:15:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But in the sketch, he is in the wrong for doing what he did, because as you said, it's like, it's Phil Hartman who comes up there as the concert promoter, convention promoter, and like goes out of him and pushes him and shows him which I think it's great.
• 1:15:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: He comes back and apologizes, is all right, set faces to start.
• 1:15:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's hilarious.
• 1:15:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But then later, the people forget these two other sketches.
• 1:15:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: The wrath of Khan sketch is genius when Dana will be plays Khan, which I think is because they've turned the enterprise into a floating line.
• 1:15:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then the him with the swinging sisters, I think is an incredible sketch as well.
• 1:15:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that episode, yes, that one sketch stands out, you're so right to bring it up Scott, but I think that entire episode is one of the best episodes of like,
• 1:15:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: SNL ever because Shatter was so good at rolling with the bunches and playing comedic beats with all of the people in the cast.
• 1:16:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: So John are you saying that we should we should focus on the movies?
• 1:16:14
  [SPEAKER_07]: That's hilarious.
• 1:16:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh my god, it's still hilarious.
• 1:16:18
  [SPEAKER_07]: So, let's open.
• 1:16:21
  [SPEAKER_07]: Also, what happened about a year after Star Trek for Open is that the voyage home became the very first Star Trek film to be shown in the Soviet Union as it was screened by the world wildlife federation to celebrate the country's ban on whaling.
• 1:16:39
  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, wow.
• 1:16:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: And as for what a couple of major cast members thought of Star Trek four, William Shattner said, I was a little concerned that it might be too much of a rob, but Leonard had a clear vision and he pulled it off beautifully.
• 1:16:55
  [SPEAKER_07]: It was the most successful of all the Star Trek movies that I was in, and it was fun to do.
• 1:17:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: None of us expected it to become such a phenomenon.
• 1:17:03
  [SPEAKER_07]: It was a happy accident, but a very smart and well crafted one.
• 1:17:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: And then I end with Leonard Nemoy, who said, we had a great time making it, the cast loved the script.
• 1:17:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: We shot a lot of location, especially in San Francisco, and the energy was just terrific.
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_07]: It reached people in a way the other movies didn't.
• 1:17:26
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's awesome.
• 1:17:27
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 1:17:29
  [SPEAKER_08]: It was nominated for a few Academy Awards sound music special effects.
• 1:17:34
  [SPEAKER_08]: It didn't win them.
• 1:17:35
  [SPEAKER_08]: It obviously was a huge hit.
• 1:17:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: The most successful Star Trek movie ever I think, Scott, isn't it?
• 1:17:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: It was the most successful Star Trek movie up until Star Trek, two thousand nine.
• 1:17:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
• 1:17:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, that really like kicked the door open, even though even though I have to say no Star Trek film has ever made more than five hundred million dollars worldwide.
• 1:17:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, wow.
• 1:17:56
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, you have all these, yes.
• 1:17:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: Isn't it wild?
• 1:17:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, like you have like all the Pixar movies, certainly the Avengers movies, the Star Wars movies that that make more than a billion dollars.
• 1:18:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: And yet the highest grossing Star trick feature is Star Trek into darkness from two thousand thirteen, which is like four hundred and eighty million dollars worldwide.
• 1:18:15
  [SPEAKER_07]: But for it's time that and also the Star Trek films from like the original series in the next generation, they never played overseas.
• 1:18:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, they played overseas, but they didn't like it wasn't like today where movies make
• 1:18:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: two thirds of their total growth overseas.
• 1:18:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: But Star Trek for the voice home was the highest grossing Star Trek feature of the first ten movies with a hundred and nine point seven million dollars domestic.
• 1:18:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: Can I give you one more success story from the home Star Trek four?
• 1:18:50
  [SPEAKER_08]: Well, initially humpback whale populations in the world pre-hunting was around a hundred and twenty five thousand humpback whales by the sixties that number was down to ten thousand.
• 1:19:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: So when Jillian is saying, we are hunting them almost to extinction, that is definitely true.
• 1:19:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: Today, the global population is back up around eighty thousand.
• 1:19:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: So we are not back to pre-industrial age, but eight times the recovery.
• 1:19:20
  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, that is an incredible thing.
• 1:19:22
  [SPEAKER_08]: And well, I will not give Star Trek for the full responsibility for that.
• 1:19:26
  [SPEAKER_08]: I actually think it's, I think it's an important moment because demonizing the animals and seeing them and telling the story about them makes a big difference in terms of how we perceive that part of our nature.
• 1:19:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's why I always frustrates me when people try to denigrate the power of movies and it's not that important or the arts or whatever, but like
• 1:19:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Man, the arts movies, these are so important and you have to be aware of their importance in our society and how they affect our society.
• 1:19:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes they're the things that drive and inspire the people in our society to do amazing things in our society because at a young age they saw something in a movie that moved them, touched them, affected them, educated them.
• 1:20:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so when that stuff happens as a result of a film coming out, I think that's something that should be applauded on us, absolutely, for sure.
• 1:20:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: So, I will give my final thoughts first on Star Trek IV.
• 1:20:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm so glad we did this, guys.
• 1:20:21
  [SPEAKER_08]: And my feeling about our conversation is like my feeling about the movie, which is that it's just a joy.
• 1:20:28
  [SPEAKER_08]: Is this a deep film?
• 1:20:30
  [SPEAKER_08]: No.
• 1:20:30
  [SPEAKER_08]: Is it incredibly intricate, complicated film?
• 1:20:33
  [SPEAKER_08]: No.
• 1:20:34
  [SPEAKER_08]: It is spending time with characters I love, where they're in character, doing what I want them to do in my own world, my own city that I grew up right across the Bay from.
• 1:20:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: And it delivers on every single thing it sets out to do.
• 1:20:48
  [SPEAKER_08]: Like, is it my favorite Star Trek film?
• 1:20:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: No.
• 1:20:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: Is it an absolute and total joy?
• 1:20:54
  [SPEAKER_08]: Absolutely.
• 1:20:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: It totally is.
• 1:20:57
  [SPEAKER_08]: John, how about you?
• 1:20:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Here's my final thoughts.
• 1:20:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also very happy we did this and you know sometimes in our scheduling we're not always sure where we're going to go what we're going to do next and this one this was a happy little accident where there was a pocket of time that opened up for us because of a scheduling situation and we decided to do this movie and at a time when so much is happening in our world that makes people feel
• 1:21:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: uncomfortable, overwhelmed, or scared, it's great to revisit the films that made you smile, made you cry, made you feel hopeful about the world and the possibilities for the human race.
• 1:21:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this film does that.
• 1:21:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you've got an incredible crew to enjoy and savor in a Star Trek adventure.
• 1:21:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm glad we did it.
• 1:21:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, I loved hearing from both of you what you guys thought about scenes that I had seen over a million times in my life, of course, I'm exaggerating, but clearly it feels that way.
• 1:21:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And get a whole new appreciation and perspective for it all.
• 1:21:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And appreciate Leonard Neymorse's directorial work and the performances within this movie, which I haven't always given
• 1:22:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: enough credit to with the other character besides the main three so I I really appreciate it revisiting it for that situation alone you know so yeah great stuff man thank you gentlemen yeah look I have seen it's moving more times than I can count but a million times is probably pretty accurate
• 1:22:25
  [SPEAKER_07]: You know, over these years, people have referred to Star Trek four as the Walmouthowales, you know?
• 1:22:31
  [SPEAKER_07]: And as soon as somebody says that, you go, oh, yeah, the Willy Chom, you know, and when you say that, when you feel it, when you hear those words, the Walmouthowales, it gives you a good feeling because this movie is a good feeling.
• 1:22:44
  [SPEAKER_07]: It is a good feeling, especially now because we really need a good feeling now, but it was such an optimistic,
• 1:22:53
  [SPEAKER_07]: look at what we can do to ensure a better future, which is what we need to hold a lot more now than we did in nineteen eighty six, but still the way that you know Star Trek was intended to be an allegory for for mirroring the times and the original series definitely did that not every episode but certainly a lot of the better ones.
• 1:23:19
  [SPEAKER_07]: And here you have a movie that's a little more on the nose than an allegory, but it does what it does so exceptionally well because it's true to the characters, it's pointing to their strengths and their weaknesses.
• 1:23:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: If her comic relief, certainly the familiarity that the actors have working together and the chemistry that they all have, especially Shattner, Nemoy, and D. Kelly.
• 1:23:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: Just in a way that it ties into how communication was just such a big, big part of, of solving problems in the original series and they made communication the key to saving the day and the voyage home.
• 1:24:04
  [SPEAKER_07]: But it was such an uplifting, feel good movie.
• 1:24:11
  [SPEAKER_07]: And to swatch it again, because it has been a while since I've seen it, that it just, it's just good.
• 1:24:18
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's a good, it's a good feeling movie.
• 1:24:20
  [SPEAKER_07]: Nemois said when it came to, you know, his approach to capturing all the feels for this movie, he wanted, quote, no dying, no fighting, no shooting, no full-time torpedoes, no phaser blasts, no stereotypical bad guy, things that have been,
• 1:24:38
  [SPEAKER_07]: and quote, by the way, things that have been played to the four for certainly Star Trek II and some of the episodes like Dunes Day Machine.
• 1:24:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: But here's, here was a deliberate approach to stay away from all of that.
• 1:24:52
  [SPEAKER_07]: And you got one of the very, very best Star Trek, not just movies, but Star Trek stories, period.
• 1:24:58
  [SPEAKER_07]: And this is a film that it's easy to see why people who didn't like Star Trek or had never watched Star Trek
• 1:25:06
  [SPEAKER_07]: like the movie, you know, you it didn't matter.
• 1:25:09
  [SPEAKER_07]: It was just time travelers at a time trying to save something that they're we all know about.
• 1:25:16
  [SPEAKER_07]: I mean, everybody knew about whale hunting then and now, but it was such a such a pleasure to join you for three parts and to see Star Trek for in a completely different light and to tie it back to some of the themes we explored in the original series during enterprise incidents and to
• 1:25:34
  [SPEAKER_07]: to have a revelation in epiphany about Jillian Tower, or being Star Trek IV's version of the E.F.
• 1:25:40
  [SPEAKER_07]: Killer in some ways, not something I ever thought about before, but the more we talk through that, the more it made such a great sense.
• 1:25:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you, gentlemen.
• 1:25:48
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• 1:25:53
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• 1:25:54
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• 1:27:07
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• 1:27:09
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• 1:27:17
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• 1:27:57
  [SPEAKER_08]: And if you do subscribe to Enterprise Incidents with Scott and Steve at some point, I believe that show will return for a little movie called Star Trek Five.
• 1:28:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: The final frontier.
• 1:28:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: That will be a very interesting conversation.
• 1:28:11
  [SPEAKER_08]: So I think that is it for this week.
• 1:28:13
  [SPEAKER_08]: We'll be back next time, which John, I'm just going to announce it.
• 1:28:16
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're going back to nineteen seventy eight with our special guest, Michael Vogel, to discuss the original Superman, the movie.
• 1:28:26
  [SPEAKER_07]: Ah, man, that sounds awesome, but until then, keep going boldly.