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IFH 827: Turning a Script into a Movie: The Indie Filmmaking Story of Jamie Buckner · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 3: In this next episode that I have a filmmaker who
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  Speaker 3: comes to us from Louisville, Kentucky. He lives in New
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  Speaker 3: York now. He has worked with some of the biggest
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  Speaker 3: directors of all time. He's worked on as a production manager,
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  Speaker 3: production coordinator, He's worked as a PA. He's worked his
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  Speaker 3: way up, and he's also made his own movie. And
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  Speaker 3: we talked about how he found time to actually write
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  Speaker 3: this thing. As he as he's going to all these
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  Speaker 3: different productions, and what did he learn by reading all
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  Speaker 3: these scripts and all this other good stuff. So sit
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  Speaker 3: back and get ready to hear tail about two filmmakers,
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  Speaker 3: each of whom has a movie called Split. This isn't Split,
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  Speaker 3: the one with m Night Shyamalan. By the way, if
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  Speaker 3: have you listened to the episode with producer Mark Bienstock,
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  Speaker 3: I was actually his TA when he was teaching at
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  Speaker 3: Drugson University here in Philadelphia. It's a great episode, by
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  Speaker 3: the way. We kind of brush on that in this episode.
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  Speaker 3: But this is a different split. This is a this
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  Speaker 3: is the romantic bowling movie Split with guest Janie Buckner.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would be to say many few. You know, really,
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  Speaker 5: what's a number. It's a number how many years ago? Yes,
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  Speaker 5: So there are many short and long versions of this,
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  Speaker 5: but so effectively, I back in high school sort of
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  Speaker 5: came to this revelation. Well, I guess it was kind
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  Speaker 5: of early college, trying to figure out a college major. Basically,
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  Speaker 5: I started as an art major, thinking like, okay, I
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  Speaker 5: like to draw, maybe I could. I kind of wanted
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  Speaker 5: to draw comics for a little while, didn't really tried
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  Speaker 5: that for a little bit found out that wasn't for me,
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  Speaker 5: and was like, all right, maybe I'll be a music major.
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  Speaker 5: I love making music. I've been playing bass and guitar
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  Speaker 5: for a while. I mean like learn the actual like
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  Speaker 5: mathematics of music and like learned to read it and
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  Speaker 5: learn the theory and all that sort of stuff got
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  Speaker 5: into that that wasn't for me. I thought I was
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  Speaker 5: gonna be architect for a while, I thought, and I
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  Speaker 5: kind of dabbled in so many different things, and it
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  Speaker 5: just sort of dawned on me at one point. I
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  Speaker 5: think it was just mid conversation with a friend about
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  Speaker 5: how I had always been really into movies just as
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  Speaker 5: of just a thing. It's just like I was like
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  Speaker 5: the guy that people talk to about movies. I was
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  Speaker 5: like really into particular directors and particular types of genres
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  Speaker 5: and all these things. Like I was just one of
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  Speaker 5: those kids back in the nineties that was just you know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure you count yourself amongst this number. That was
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  Speaker 5: just like one of the you're like, oh, yeah, the
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  Speaker 5: movie guy. That's Jamie. You'll talk to Jamie. I'll tell
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  Speaker 5: you all about like, you know, whatever, different Spielberg. You know,
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  Speaker 5: Tarantino coming around at the time, you know, like down
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  Speaker 5: till you know, like I was getting into sturges and
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  Speaker 5: like truefaux and stuff like that, like whatever, just all
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  Speaker 5: of the like early days like film nerds stuff, and
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  Speaker 5: it's sort of dawned on me at a certain point
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  Speaker 5: that all of these things that I'd been dabbling in
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  Speaker 5: and I was sort of interested in from a creative,
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  Speaker 5: creative way of looking at things all sort of came
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  Speaker 5: together in this one medium. All sort of were just like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, storyboarding is drawing, you know, music is heavily
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  Speaker 5: involved in you know, you know, even photography. It just
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  Speaker 5: basically everything that I really sort of wanted to do
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  Speaker 5: but didn't want to hard commit to one or the
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  Speaker 5: other all sort of came together in this one thing
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  Speaker 5: that I already like. So I went to Northern Kentucky
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  Speaker 5: University up by Cincinnati, which did not have a film program,
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  Speaker 5: but what did have a terrific theater program and had
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  Speaker 5: what was is now known as an informatics eMedia program,
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  Speaker 5: but back in the day it was when I was
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  Speaker 5: going there was just a communications radio and television communications program.
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  Speaker 5: Took all of the film ish movie ish classes that
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  Speaker 5: I could, screenwriting, playwriting and all that sort of stuff
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  Speaker 5: as well. Sort of made the best of what was
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  Speaker 5: available there and read a lot of books on my
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  Speaker 5: own screenwriting books, you know, production books, film theory books,
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  Speaker 5: et cetera. So on. And one day, as I was
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  Speaker 5: working in a Sunglass hut in downtown Cincinnati, I saw
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  Speaker 5: in the tower place mall that I was working in,
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  Speaker 5: there was a flyer for people to come to a
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  Speaker 5: certain hotel on a certain day to be extras in
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  Speaker 5: the movie Seabiscuit, this horse racing movie that was shooting
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  Speaker 5: down on Lexington. So I go. Turns out I fit
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  Speaker 5: the costume parameters, which is really all you needed to
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  Speaker 5: do to be a part of that, And I went
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  Speaker 5: in was an extra in the movie Sea Biscuit in
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  Speaker 5: freezing cold November of two thousand and two, I believe,
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  Speaker 5: and maybe three I think it was two thousand and two.
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  Speaker 5: But I got down there. I slept on the floor
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  Speaker 5: of my friend's dorm room at Eastern Kentucky University, and
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  Speaker 5: I bugged the holy hell out of all of the
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  Speaker 5: production people down there until they would give me the
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  Speaker 5: time of day. I made just enough friends to make
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  Speaker 5: some more friends from there, to make some more friends
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  Speaker 5: from there. Started working as a camera person camera PA
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  Speaker 5: as I was also mid mining as a day school
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  Speaker 5: teacher during the day at my old high school. Worked
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  Speaker 5: on an indie project for a director that is also
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  Speaker 5: from louisll who's a good friend of mine now who
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  Speaker 5: we've actually worked on several other projects together. So on
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  Speaker 5: and so forth, did his many project because I could
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  Speaker 5: in Kentucky. Ultimately decided to move to New York versus LA.
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  Speaker 5: Came up to New York. Worked on my first production
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  Speaker 5: up here, which was this movie that it was a
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  Speaker 5: remake of The Honeymooners called of the Honeymooners with like
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  Speaker 5: John Leguizamo and Cedric the Entertainer I believed, but that
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  Speaker 5: was a few weeks. It was my first job. My
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  Speaker 5: foot was in the door up there up here in
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  Speaker 5: New York. That happened to be happening in the same
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  Speaker 5: building as the production office for War of the Worlds.
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  Speaker 5: They called downstairs and were like, do you have any
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  Speaker 5: PA's that are you know? Not terrible? Luckily they threw
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  Speaker 5: my name in there. I worked on more of the
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  Speaker 5: Worlds for a little while. I have some cool stories
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  Speaker 5: from that. That was fun office uptown for the new
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  Speaker 5: Martin Scorsese movie The Departed, calls same question, do you
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  Speaker 5: have any pas that aren't awful? And they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: this kid's not terrible. We dig him. He's kind of
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  Speaker 5: fun to be around and he doesn't screw things up
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  Speaker 5: too bad. So I end up working on The Departed
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  Speaker 5: for almost a year, and then another Warnerbergers movie comes
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  Speaker 5: after that, called August Rush, so we stay in the
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  Speaker 5: same office we work on that, and I'm now in
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  Speaker 5: with this team, and we roll on from another production
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  Speaker 5: to another production, and then you know, the resume kind
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  Speaker 5: of speaks for itself from there. It just kind of
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  Speaker 5: it just becomes this. You work with enough people and
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  Speaker 5: they jobs, and they call and see what you're doing,
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  Speaker 5: and you go and you bounce onto that, and you
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  Speaker 5: bounce onto that, and all the while I was still
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  Speaker 5: working on my own things and shooting music videos for
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  Speaker 5: friends bands between jobs and doing little shorts when I
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  Speaker 5: could doing those silly, little weak make a movie in
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  Speaker 5: a weekend, forty eight hour projects. In all that time,
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  Speaker 5: working on this, rewriting, rewriting, reworking, planning for Split, my
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  Speaker 5: first feature, which we just put out last August. So
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  Speaker 5: that is sort of the I'm sure I missed some things,
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  Speaker 5: but that is basically the trajectory of how I got here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I see, I'm actually looking at your IMDb right
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  Speaker 3: now and like you were a production coordinator on John
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  Speaker 3: Wick Chapter two. I actually had the writer of John
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  Speaker 3: Wick one and two, Derek Colsti, on the podcast before
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  Speaker 3: how Is.
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  Speaker 5: He's like the coolest guy on the planet. He found
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  Speaker 5: out me and one of our coworkers on that was
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  Speaker 5: from Kentucky, and he bought us a bottle of Woodford
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  Speaker 5: Reserve bourbon that I had somehow never seen. I've never
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  Speaker 5: seen this size available, this size of bottle, and we
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  Speaker 5: somehow managed to go through almost all of it over
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  Speaker 5: the course of late nights in met office. But no,
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  Speaker 5: Derek is the coolest guy too. He would just like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I'm just some random shmo working on the production.
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  Speaker 5: He has no reason to be sitting there and shooting
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  Speaker 5: the you know, shooting the breeze with us until the
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  Speaker 5: wee hours of the night. But we would just talk
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  Speaker 5: about movies and I think we talked about the Twilight
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  Speaker 5: Zone in particular episodes we loved for like two hours
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  Speaker 5: one night. And he's just a what a red guy
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  Speaker 5: that Derek is right. I'm sure I gotta go back
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  Speaker 5: and listen to that episode. I didn't realize you had
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  Speaker 5: him on. That's cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, really really cool guy. And I got introduced to
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  Speaker 3: him through another writer friend of ours, and I was like,
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  Speaker 3: this guy's not gonna say yes to come down and
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  Speaker 3: share them with me, and he was like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 3: love toy.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah of course he will. Yeah, he's great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic guy. And I'm actually really glad too that
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  Speaker 3: John Wick both one and two were box office hits
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  Speaker 3: as well as critical hits, because I love to see
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  Speaker 3: when good things happen to.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely, Oh yeah. You always you always, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you always want that to be the case. Like, and
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  Speaker 5: it's funny I've seen I've seen it go all different
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  Speaker 5: sorts of directions where the people you know and again
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  Speaker 5: on this in the spirit of positivity, will necessarily name
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  Speaker 5: names with people who aren't such great salt of the earth,
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  Speaker 5: people like you're Derek, Coolestad's of the world have success
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  Speaker 5: and you're kind of like, yeah, all right, that's going
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  Speaker 5: to perpetuate some bad behavior or I've also seen some
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  Speaker 5: people that are really really terrific, like just really great,
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  Speaker 5: really fun, really talented people, and then the movies tank
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  Speaker 5: and it's that's a bummer to see too. But so yeah,
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  Speaker 5: when the when the when the optimum scenario happens and
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  Speaker 5: it's just really good people make really good work and
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  Speaker 5: it's really successful. It's that's that's what we're all hoping for,
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  Speaker 5: of course.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And you know, I just going back to
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  Speaker 3: your career, you know, as you as you know you
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  Speaker 3: worked on as crew for all these films. Again, I'm
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  Speaker 3: looking at your IMDb and you know, how did you find
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  Speaker 3: the time to actually sit down and write Splits? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I know it started off as a short film before
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  Speaker 3: you made it into a feature, so you know, back
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  Speaker 3: in twenty ten, you know, when you made this short.
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  Speaker 3: You know, how did you find the time between these jobs?
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  Speaker 3: You know, because it seems like you're going from job
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  Speaker 3: to job, you know, production and production, So how did
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  Speaker 3: you find the time to actually sit down and write
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  Speaker 3: write this out?
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  Speaker 5: You know, you just kind of have to was the
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  Speaker 5: original script I've had sort of with me for a while,
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  Speaker 5: like from when I first started working in production basically,
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  Speaker 5: And it's really just been a matter of, like you
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  Speaker 5: just have to if what you want to do is
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  Speaker 5: be creative and you don't want it, because it's really
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  Speaker 5: easy to get stuck. I could just completely just rest
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  Speaker 5: on my laurels, keep working and keep doing what I
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  Speaker 5: do well, and just you know, and I'll eventually, you know,
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  Speaker 5: you know, just keep correction, managing, supervising things and wine
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  Speaker 5: producing smaller things and then I'm mind producing bigger things
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  Speaker 5: and then I'm on to you know, I could do
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  Speaker 5: that and next thing, you know, I'll blink. I'm sixty
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  Speaker 5: years old and I'm doing really well, but not exactly
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  Speaker 5: what I want to be doing. So if you really
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  Speaker 5: want to, and it's just really easy to get stuck
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  Speaker 5: in any particular discipline, you know, Like there's people who
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  Speaker 5: get stuck in the camera department who would rather be
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  Speaker 5: you know, writing or directing or whatever, and that's not
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  Speaker 5: a terrible transition, but like there are people you know
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  Speaker 5: that end up being key grips or gaffers that feel
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  Speaker 5: like they can't make the transition because the money gets
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  Speaker 5: good at a certain point and they just kind of
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  Speaker 5: keep working or art department locations, you know, you can,
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  Speaker 5: you kind of there's so many different, little specific disciplines
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  Speaker 5: that are super important to various productions, and you don't
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  Speaker 5: want to make light of any of those at all.
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  Speaker 5: But if it's not where your heart is one hundred percent,
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  Speaker 5: you just kind of always have to find the time
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  Speaker 5: when you can without compromising your you know, your day
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  Speaker 5: to day work. I just I just always prioritize finding
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  Speaker 5: in the time whenever I could to go back and
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  Speaker 5: do a little rewriting or go back and do a
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  Speaker 5: little uh, you know, prep work of like you know,
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  Speaker 5: trying to figure out where locations would be. And we're
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  Speaker 5: talking about over the course of years and years, you know,
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  Speaker 5: like in talking to different actors and talking to different
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  Speaker 5: writers helping give me notes, and you know, the producers
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  Speaker 5: talking about how like, you know, how do you raise
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  Speaker 5: money for these things? How do you set up you know,
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  Speaker 5: a small corporate, you know, because you end up being
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  Speaker 5: a small business basically when you make a movie, done
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  Speaker 5: it not even basically you are a small business. You
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  Speaker 5: have to you have to basically teach yourself how to
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  Speaker 5: be an entrepreneur in a very sort of tweaked way.
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  Speaker 5: But you really, I just I just kind of made
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  Speaker 5: the time. You know, like if I if we got
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  Speaker 5: done shooting early on a production and like I had
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  Speaker 5: a few hours left in the office and everybody who
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  Speaker 5: was like, oh, quitting time, I'm going a happy hour,
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  Speaker 5: I would, you know, be like, all right, guys, great,
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  Speaker 5: just you know, leave one light on. I'm going to
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  Speaker 5: stay here for five or six hours and you know,
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  Speaker 5: like pound away on my script or like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I also would work on other scripts to sort of
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  Speaker 5: like you know, get a fresh eye on a different
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  Speaker 5: story and sort of think outside of the the like
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  Speaker 5: bowling rom com Box and like go and like do
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  Speaker 5: a script contest and like write a horror movie in
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  Speaker 5: ten pages and then that would somehow inform a joke
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  Speaker 5: somewhere within, you know. So you really just sort of
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  Speaker 5: have to always the creative muscle, I'd like to think,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, there's much wiser people that can probably
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  Speaker 5: say it much better than me, But I think the
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  Speaker 5: creative muscle and like the energy that you that you
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  Speaker 5: put into it are just very important. It has to
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  Speaker 5: be constant because it's like a muscle, you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: exactly like it's exactly what it is, like it will
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  Speaker 5: atrophy if you don't exercise it regularly. So as far
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  Speaker 5: as how I did it, I don't. I don't just
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  Speaker 5: basically every moment that I can find free that you know,
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  Speaker 5: you also have to fund time for rest too, Like
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  Speaker 5: I'm not just completely twenty four to seven, like you get.
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  Speaker 5: You've got to be wise enough to know when to
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  Speaker 5: take a break when you're actually burning a candle at
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  Speaker 5: both ends and you're compromising other parts of your life,
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  Speaker 5: or you're compromising the creativity, or you're compromising the paycheck job,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and none of those things can happen. So
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  Speaker 5: you just have to be very keenly aware of how
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  Speaker 5: important rest is with all of this as well. But
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  Speaker 5: whenever I had an opportunity, I'd be writing or talking
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  Speaker 5: to people about raising money, or you know, talking to
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  Speaker 5: actors or talking a little little bit of this, a
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  Speaker 5: little bit of that. And then it finally came to
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  Speaker 5: a point where I thought, Okay, if we're going to
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  Speaker 5: do this, let's take the first like seven or eight
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  Speaker 5: pages I forget what it was of the script. Let's
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  Speaker 5: do what I think I'd heard other people do before.
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  Speaker 5: At that point, and I was like, I think we're
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  Speaker 5: going to have to do a kickstarter to raise enough
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  Speaker 5: money to start raising money, because I knew it would
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  Speaker 5: cost a little money to get a lawyer to start
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: a company to you know, get a couple of wheels
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: rolling to then like then be able to go out
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: and like actually raise private equity. So I was like,
• 15:55
  Speaker 5: I think I want to do a kickstarter to raise
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: money in order to start raising real money. In order
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: to do that, I would like to do what I
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: started referring. People called it a sizzle reel. I hate
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: the term sizzle reel because it's just not what this was.
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: And people kept referring to it as that, and I
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: get the place of a sizzle reel. I don't even
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: know if people say that anymore, but it just drove
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: me crazy. I don't know, I don't know.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: It's called proof of concept.
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: Now that's okay. See that's what I started calling it,
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: not even knowing anyone called that dat. So that's funny
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: because I was just like, this is my this, this
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: will be like my my like proof of concept piece.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: This will be my Hey, we're gonna make a bowling
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: rom com. Oh does that sound silly? Well I don't
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: think it's completely silly. Here's exactly what I have in mind,
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: so that you can put in front of like a
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: potential investor or an actor, this is what I have
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: in mind. So we shot that two days over a
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: weekend in queen I still stand that. I think I'm
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: the only person ever to shoot Queens for Kentucky. So
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: we shot this in like a double decker bowling alley
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: way out in Queen's with It's so funny that were
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: just the cast that we got for that short is
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: now all super famous, which is hilarious. So but it
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: was so there was just this killer group of people
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: called in all these favors, like what were the top
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: eighties in New York. I was is just a buddy
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: of mine. I was like, hey, you wouldn't come do
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: this on a weekend, would you. He's like, yeah, I'm
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: free whatever, that's fine. And it's like when it's like
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: when you shoot something, you shoot something in New York
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: or you shoot something in La people you know, it's
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: it's oddly it's good, not hot at all. Actually, come
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: to think of it, it's just it's easier to get
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: top crew, top cast. Not that not that there's not
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: amazing people all over the country and specifically in Kentucky.
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: We had a great group. But like as far as
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: like these people that are like living, eating, breathe in
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: the industry and doing it like on a sort of
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: like a more visible skit national and global scale. These
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: people live in New York and LA, and if you're
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: shooting in New York or LA, they're much more ready
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: to just be like, yeah, cool, can I just hop
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: on the subway and get there? Fine, Yeah, I'll be
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: there whatever, So big deal. You can pay me whatever
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: you can. It's fine if you know it's It gets
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: a little trickier when you're like, hey, can you come
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: to three weeks for Kentucky and I'll put you in
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: a hotel and whatever. They're like, oh, I don't know,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: my kids are in school or I got this other
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: thing going eh. Whereas if it's just down the street,
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: you know, they're much more they're much more game for it.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: So yeah, So in that short, we've got like Tommy
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: Sadowski who's now on Wife and Pieces and like, you know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: he's just got his feet kicked up in CBS heaven uh.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: And you know Keith Powell who's on thirty Rock My
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: turnis who you know was Orange is the New Black
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: just amazing. But so yeah, we did the short and then,
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: oh my god, I totally forgot the question. Listen to
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: me rambling. What was your.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Well, I was just about how you found time to
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: actually right in between jobs. Oh yeah, that's what.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Do you see? How half topic I got on that?
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: I I don't know, man, I don't really have a
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: great answer for it. You just kind of have to
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: find it. You just have to make the time. You know.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: Well, and you know you touched on something too that
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: I a previous guest, James Altacher he touched on this
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: as well. And creativity is he calls it a muscle.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: He calls it his idea muscle of coming up with
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: these ideas, and you know, he's like, that's what happens
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: it actualphies if you don't use it. And so when
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: you were saying that, I'm like, that's exactly the way he
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: puts it as well.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's just one of those things and
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: I feel it sometimes. Well, it's also one of those
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: things where if you're gonna be in this industry, how
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: do I say this in like a positive way, because
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: it's it's it is a positive thing, but saying it,
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: and when I've said it previously, it kind of doesn't
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: sound terribly positive. You sort of have to be crazy.
• 19:47
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• 19:53
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• 19:56
  Speaker 5: You sort of have to be a little bit obsessed
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: and stubborn and just in order to do this business
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: in order to live and eat and breathe it and
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: just have it be what you do. And it took
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: me a few years to get to the points where finally,
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: like I was just like, this is what I do.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: I am a filmmaker. I am a storyteller. I am
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: a movie TV you know, new media like whatever, Like
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: I've I've lost, I have no other bankable skills. I'm
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: literally this is just what I do. And in order
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: to sort of be in it to that level, you
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: kind of have to have no other options, because there
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: are certainly days when I have, say, like specifically on
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: like certain productions, if like some nightmare thing happens with
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: like an actor or producer's travel or like you know,
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: something bad happens on set with a piece of equipment.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: It's any number of things that I could tell you
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: probably one hundred stories. Like it's like you know, I'm
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: living the dream. I do what I love for a living.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: But there's just like anything else, Like there's you know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: there's crappy days where I'm like, man, I wish I
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: could just work at a call center and go home
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: at five point thirty every day and like go to
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: happy hours and just like have a nice, happy little life,
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: still live in Kentucky, just live down the street from
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: my parents, go to like you know, like I kind
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: of like as part of me certainly at times that
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: are just like, wouldn't life just be easier if I
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: would be okay doing not all of this? And the
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: answer is yeah, maybe, But I just I internally don't
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: I if I was not doing this and one is
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: not doing this exhaustive, sometimes insane, you know, often being
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: asked to pull off the impossible. If I wasn't doing
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: this production thing, if I wasn't doing the storytelling thing.
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: And this is including you know, my like day job,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: production work on like other bigger productions, and my own work.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: You know, like I barely left my apartment yesterday. I
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: finally had to leave and to go outside and walk
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: the dog at ten thirty pm because I'd been stuck
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: in here writing my next writing this next script all
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: day yesterday. I woke up at eight o'clock in the
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: morning and I was just here like a shut in,
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: just all day. And it's you just kind of have
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: to have a little bit. You just got to be
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: a little bit off, but in all the right ways,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: you know, and it's and it's and I wouldn't trade
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: it for the world. But there's certainly times where I'm
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: just like, oh, I can't I just go and work
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: at Like why I can't. My dad worked at like
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: a ge assembly line for thirty forty years in Kentucky,
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: like making washing machines.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: You know what.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: He's perfectly happy, you know, he's retired. He watches westerns
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: all day, goes on long walks. I just, you know,
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: I just you know, I can't even picture myself ever retired.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: People like, what are you gonna do? You know, you know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: when you retire, And I'm like, who retires from making movies?
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: We're all like blessed with this opportunity to do this.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: I'll probably do this until they like drag me lifeless
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: off of the set somewhere like we're doing. I don't
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: know why I wouldever retire from it. I just like
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: it's I'm doing it. But if you're not doing it
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: because you love it, then then you're legitimately a crazy
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: person because go do something else. It is it is hard, yeah,
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: you know hard. I stay away from the word hard people.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: This always comes up when people are talking about, oh,
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: how do you raise money for the movie? And you know, people, oh,
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: raising money is the hardest part. Raising money is hard.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: I don't like to call anything that we do and
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: I just slipped up on my own on my own
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: advice there. I hate calling anything that we do hard
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: because you know, digging ditches is hard. Uh, you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: working in the coal mines is hard. Construction work is hard.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: You know, working in the heat and not having a
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: job and living in a third world country. You know
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: that that that stuff is all hard. What we do
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: is we're blessed to be able to, like, you know,
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: to do what we do for a little you know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: I show up work and there's like a truck full
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: of catering that will make me whatever I want. I
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: stay away from the word hard with anything that we do.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: But it's but the hours are tough and the sometimes
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: the conditions are not ideal. So if you can be
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: doing anything. And then I've it's sproken to some college basses,
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: you know, and I've told that, what would you recommend
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: if the you know, you know whatever, Like there's always
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: like the basic questions. I'm like, if you think you
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: can do anything else, if there is a world in
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: which you do not have the internal drive where you
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: absolutely have to be doing this for like with all
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: of who you are, you should one hundred percent just
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: go do that because it's going to be easier again,
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: easier whatever. You know what I'm saying, it's it's it's
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: going to be it's going to lead to sort of
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: a emotionally and this sort of is spiritually the right word.
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: I don't it's if you're not going to be happy
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: putting in what has to be put in to work
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: in this industry, then just don't do it. Don't put
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: yourself through it, because it can be it can be,
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: it can be pretty it can be pretty brutal to
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: a degree. Just you know, it's mostly just about the
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: hours and the in the expectations of like when people
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: expect you to be available for them to certain degrees.
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: And again that's and sometimes when I'm working in production
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: that's just people that are creative types that I'm just like, now,
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: I get it. Listen. Especially the since I left doing
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: regular production, you know, regular like sort of like my
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: normal production stuff, and went and made the feature. I'm like, well, listen,
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: I get it. I'm then I was that guy, you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: And I was never like calling people at three o'clock
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: in the morning and being like, you know, we need
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: to change everything, but you know, I got it. I
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: was like, listen, the creative end of it and the
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: production end of it feed into each other and definitely
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: overlap in a lot of ways. But they also are
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: You're sort of serving different masters to a degree, but
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: ultimately not You're also serving the story. You're serving the product,
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: the serving what goes on the screen. But anyway, again,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: I'm all over the place.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: It's all good, Jamie. I tend to have that effect
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: on people.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: You're like a therapist. You're just giving me the opportunity
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: to ramble.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Honestly, if you go back and listen to episodes, like
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: one out of every two guests will say, Dave, I
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: don't know why, but every time I come on your podcast,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I just start rambling or I go in those other
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: directions or you know, and I said, no, it's I
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: have that effect on people, you know, longer answers and
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. I think it's a great thing actually,
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: so I mean it it becomes a stream of consciousness,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's good.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Make sure you'd get out of your that is what
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much. You may appreciate that. And
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: then you know, we as we talk about screenwriting, you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you when you were working all
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: these other different productions, you know, I'm sure at one
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: point or another you got to read the screenplay. Did
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: that have like a lot of effect on you how
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: of how to actually, you know, write screenplays? Because because
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: you know you're actually seeing movies, I mean, you're you're
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: beyond a reader at that point because now you're actually,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: you know, any of these movies are actually in production
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: right now, so there has to be something valid about
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: this screenplay. Did you ever get a chance to read
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: the screenplays? And if so, you know, what did you
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: take away from?
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: I mean, I it's funny. I've worked with some people
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: on productions that you know, I'll be like, oh, and
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: then did you read this in the script and this
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: I read them immediately, sometimes before I even start. I
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: it's one of the first things I asked, when asked
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: for when I'm even considering doing a project, be like, well,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: let me see the script and if you know, if
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: it makes sense and speaks to me. I meanwhile, go
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: back and look at my resume. They haven't all been
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: me being like really choosy about the content, but but
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: I try to be. I do try to I do
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: try to make sure that I it's something that I
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: enjoy working I would enjoy working on. So yeah, I
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: read the screenplays every time. I have worked with people
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: that don't because there's certain disciplines within the making of
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: like a movie or TV show where you don't necessarily
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: have to read like every screen show up to set,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: people tell you what to do, it gets done, you
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: go home, whatever, which is certain certain crew positions. But
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: with mine, as I've as I've progressed sort of up
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: the proverbial ladder there. I yeah, I find it crucial
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: to read the screenplay, and I mean, it's funny to me.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: It has definitely affected my writing. I one of the
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: one of the first scripts I read really affected me,
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: and specifically really affected split as I had the opportunity
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: to work on Elizabethtown, which was Cameron Crowe, which is
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: one of my still is. Say what you will about
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: his recent the steps we might call them, but I uh,
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: I love the guy. I think he's a master. I
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: think he's great. This Showtime show wroteies that he did.
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: It was not perfect, but I enjoyed it. But so
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: I got to work on Elizabethtown. I was so I
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: was so young at that point too. I was so
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: just over the moon that one of my favorites, probably
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: at the time my favorite writer director was coming to
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: my town to make a movie and it was amazing
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: and I got to work on it. He was super
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: cool and I have all these great stories from it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: But I got to read that script and I it
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: was just this revelation of just like, wow, this is
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: good right, And I can't explain what it was about it.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: It was just the way it flowed the way it
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: felt like. It felt like Cameron Crowe is a director
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: that I knew him to be, just because I had
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: seen his movies. Was speaking directly to me, like was
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: talking to me about the movie he was going to make.
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: As I was reading the script.
• 29:56
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• 30:02
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• 30:05
  Speaker 5: And I could hear the characters and they were right
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: in front of me, and it was just like this
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: incredible experience where I was like, Oh, this is good writing.
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: It's terrific. And then that was also a very interesting
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: learning experience, because say what you will about that movie,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: it did not quite turn out to be as good
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: of as a movie as I thought the screenplay was.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: I worked on a movie called it was The Business
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Trip at a certain point, and I guess it ended
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: up being this Vinces Fawn movie Unfinished Business. I think
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: they changed the title too. That script. I read it
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: on the train up to Boston as I was going
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: to work on that movie, and I was laughing out
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: loud like a crazy person, and it was one of
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: the funniest things I'd ever read. Somehow the movie came
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: out and it's like they had tried to take all
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: the funny out of it. I don't know what happened
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: in between and I was there. I don't know if
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: that's editorial, I don't know if that's I don't know.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: And it was a great group of people working on it.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: It was a great group of actors. I don't. It
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: was very strange. But that movie, you know, I think
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: I think that's the opinion held roundly about it is
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: that it just was not exactly an A plus effort
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: from most of the people involved, which is very funny
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: because the script, the jokes were very tight, it was
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: very it was a very funny thing. Like I was like,
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: this could be the next hangover. This is gonna be
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: really funny, and then there it went. But yeah, I always,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: you know, and I read them a little differently now, like,
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: especially from a production standpoint. I'll be like reading through
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: it and I'll just start clocking annoying production things like oh,
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: house on fire, okay. Oh there's some kids, all right, dogs, birds,
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: that's annoying okay, and oh glass breaking. You know, just
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: like little things, you sort of read them differently. It's
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: like when you make you know this experience too, when
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: you make them, or when you work in this for
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: a living, you're an annoying person. To watch a movie
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: with my wife, my wife's brother. Actually, at one point
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: we left I forget what movie we were saying. So
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: my brother in law, we were walking out of something.
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: We started talking about the movie. Me and Elizabeth, my wife.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: He said to me, I always think I like a
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: movie until I hear you guys talk about so but yeah, no,
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: I it affected my writing and has affected my writing
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: immensely over time, just because I think a huge and
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: again I an't, you know, and I want to write
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: and I want to be you know, all I'm saying
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: is like, I'm not this like hugely accomplished screenwriter at
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: this point. I have written a lot, and I do
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: really enjoy writing, and I actually that's probably my favorite.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I say that's my favorite of the
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: disciplines and it's the most rewarding to me. But then
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: I'll get on a set or I'll see something that
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: I've done and I'm like, oh, maybe directing, but I
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: like directing stuff I wrote, so one feats to the other. Whatever,
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: But it's it's I think that in order to I
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: think it's about fifty to fifty honestly, Like, in order
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: for you to be a good writer, you have to
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: constantly be writing, but you also have to constantly be
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: reading the kind of work you want to be writing.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: You know, it's kind of like making it. You know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: it's like directing as well. Like, if you want to
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: make movies or you want to make TV, you can't
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: just create in a vacuum. You know, you should be
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: watching quality work as well, and not necessarily mimicking that,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: but learning from that. You know what, who was who
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: are reattributing this quote to? Now I forget who exactly
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: said it, but what is the artists creating geniuses steel?
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: You know? Yeah, there you go. So it's you're not
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: necessarily you're not necessarily reading or watching things to be
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: able to imitate them, but you're going to pull these
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: sort of universal ideas and truths out of them and
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: sort of recreate them in your own way, you know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: Like I mean, take you know, Split the Bully movie.
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: We did, Like it is a very by the numbers
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: romantic comedy, but it was very important to me to
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: you know, spin the genre a little bit, not the
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: least you know, not the least of which by making
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: it the Bully movie. But you know, there are a
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: couple other little points where it was just kind of like,
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: I don't, I won't bor you with that right in
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: this particular instance, but it's like, but yeah, the screenwriting,
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: being able to read the work, especially like you're saying
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: at the point where it's like this is production ready,
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: this is the script you're going to go actually make.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: Reading that work constantly over all of these years has
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: one hundred percent I think improved my screenwriting. And it also,
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: you know, it also makes it that much more like
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: frustrating or interesting whatever. When you're working on something you're
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: just kind of like, this isn't that good, Like I
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: don't understand why this got picked to be made versus X,
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Y or Z Blacklist script or like so and so
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: other script that is like just sitting on the shelf,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: you know, like why is this happening versus all these
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: other things that I know exist in the world. But yeah, no,
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: I mean I don't know all let a'll let in
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: a very long way to say, yes, I read the script. Yes,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: I feel like I get I'm very privileged to be
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: able to have access to that material from production and
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: production for sure.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know true when you're when you're ever,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: you're making something you know and you're you're you want
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: to see what else is out there and you and
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: now because of the of the of the environment we
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: live in, you know, you can go online. There's there's
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: screenplay resources all over the place. You know, you want
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: to read the screenplay for whatever. You know, there's a
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: good chance it's out there, and so what happened? You know,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: I've read screenplays that for unproduced you know movies. I've
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: read screenplays for produced movies, all sorts of that stuff.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Oh did you just hear that update? Well, I'm okay, cool.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: I I just I had a chime, just a couple
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: of my screen on my desktop. It was like, oh,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: you have a Java update. Sorry about that. I sort of.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: She'd in start it and post youse, she'd make it
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: some big annoying thing. No, I didn't hear anything at all.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: It'll be like that bird crow from from a Citizen
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Kane where all of a sudden, you know, like it
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: was just going all of them wow, you know they
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: and they put that in there to wake up the audiences.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: That was like their shock because it.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: Was one of the producers.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the producers was like, I feel this
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: is going on all along, so it or someone we'll
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: put that in there.
• 36:20
  Speaker 5: That's so funny. I've often, uh, this is apropos nothing
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: I I I always have my phone on vibrate, but
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: I I just because you know whatever, being on sets
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: and everything. I just am afraid. But if I ever
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: were to actually have a ringtone, I really want to
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: find the Wilhelm scream and just have that be my
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: ring tone, just that like you know, like the Star
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: Wars when the stormtrooper gets hit, that like the movie
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: trope that the sound is sound people always put in there.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: They're like, wow, there's actually a good Willhelm scream YouTube
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: cut and somebody yeah, all of them right, yeah, yeah.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: It's so good. Yeah, that's amazing.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. I do you remember ring back tones?
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: I know there's now we're going in a weird direction,
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: but do you remember ring back tones?
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Dude, So I always thought like if you had a
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: ring back tone, what if you just had something like
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: the Wilhelm screen or something just completely ridiculous, just went
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: over and over again. Yeah, and the first is like, god, damn,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: answer your phone.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: That would be great. Yeah, I guess those went away.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: I love it. Yeah, that's so funny. That's you're taking me.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: I just listened to the last episode too, and it
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: was it was very funny. You and oh my god,
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: I forgot the guy's name. It was on your tree, Senator, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Talking about old video stores is, yeah, we remember old
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: video stores. I'm like, there's an old video store in
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: my movie. Guys, the old video stores are still around
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: like that. The video store we shot in is still
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: in Louisville, Kentucky. But you talking about all the screenplay
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: sources online too, makes me think of when I first
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: moved to New York and there was still like the
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: tables of like people in Times Square would just like
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: set up with like a folding table and it would
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: just be like printed copies of like, hey, do you
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: want to read Citizen Kane, I've got it with a
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: purple cover here for twist twenty dollars, you know, and
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: you'd go like peruse the like pile of printed out scripts.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: And that was two like the internet existed. It's just
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: you know whatever, You're right, it's totally funny. Any script
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: that you want to read produced unproduced? Yeah, And we
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: go through on you know, like on john Wick. On
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: john Wick two, we had like a code name, and
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: like there was all this security, all these different you know,
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: water marking and the intense amount of technology and security
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: that has to go into just keeping these things from
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: keeping the wrong people from getting a hold these things
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: and just popping them up on the line, because it's
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: so easy for just like one person to be like, hey,
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: here's a script for the new John Wick movie and
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: just zip it up online really quick. So there's so
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: much from a production standpoint, we have to like so
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: many hoops we have to jump through just to keep
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: you know, from random ye who's like getting a hold
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: of a copy and just throwing it up onto one
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: of those sites.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. That's what happened
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: in Tarantio with Hateful Eight. Was that something, you know,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: somebody he gave the script out to somebody and then
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: somebody else was like, hey look at this Tarantino script
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: and they photocopy, didn't put it up online.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's a whole other operator.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: I have a bunch of friend you know, because we're
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: hearing New York and like all these Marvel Netflix shows
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: come through here and uh, the amount of security, it's
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: it blows your mind how much security goes into just
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: every little Marvel production. It's the like they are probably
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: the most intense about it. For good reason, obviously, but
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: they are yeah, there, it's you know, it's a whole
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: new world. You just have to and even like somebody's
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: I feel like I had a friend work on one
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: of the Transformers movies and they were down to just like, yeah,
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: we watermark, and we also on like a certain page
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: within the draft, will change one letter in a different
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: spot on that same page for every person that gets
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: a script.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a word from our spot
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: answer and now back to the show.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: I'm like, seriously, is that a real I still don't
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: know if that's a real thing. I don't even know
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: how you would do that from a logistical standpoint, but yeah,
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: people are crazy about the security, man. I mean, but
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: that would you know? That would blow a movie honestly,
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: or certain TV shows too. It's like everybody. I also,
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: though part of me finds it to be a little
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: bit too much sometimes because it's kind of like, listen,
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: how many how what percentage of your audience is for
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: like a TV show or a movie or whatever, what
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: percentage of that audience is going to be like, oh
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: my goodness, the script is online. I'm going to go
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: read that script. I don't know how much of the
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: general public is actually reading screenplays.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think what they're afraid of is the
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: sort of like you know, nerd sites, so to speak,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: like me, but like if I've an't a screenplay, I
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be like, hey, here's all the things. I think
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: a lot of these sites that they're afraid of that
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: reads screen plays, we'll talk about them, and then all
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, you know, someone's watching a YouTube video,
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: like you know, you know John Smith, who's not going
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: to read the screenplay, but he's watched this YouTube video
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: and they're just talking about.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: It and now he's, oh, sure, yeah, that's fair.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: That's why I think that they've sort of become locked
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: down the the A friend of mine and I were joking,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I think it was actual Mike actually Michael K. Snyder,
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: and we were joking around that the next big thing
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: in film is going to be a department created call
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: just called film security, where there's gonna be like literally
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: literally like somebody who's in charge or our team in
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: charge of scripts everything else and be like everybody else
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: does their own thing now and we'll hand We'll be
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: the ones in charge of handing out the scripts getting
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: them back.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: At the end.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Of the day, prostracting the Wi Fi all that good stuff.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: You know, Oh that's listen, there's there's there are things.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: There are productions that have that. There are productions that
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: have that. We I work on a show called Billions
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: and several other shows around New York that I know of,
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: Like we have there's all kinds of little sub department
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: that didn't exist that exists now. Like we have an
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: entire green department. You know, we have a you know
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: green quote unquote, but like an eco minded department that
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: goes from set to set and like make sure that
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: all of our trash is separated into like recyclables and
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: composts and all of those things. And you know, they're
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: tracking the carbon footprint of the entire production, like how
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: many people stayed in hotel rooms that are how many
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: square feet for how many nights? And who traveled on
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: what planes. It's intense. And then you know, down to
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: what I'm surprised hasn't started happening is that you have
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: to hire like a social media person on every production.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: You know, someone who is specifically in charge of you know,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: like hey keep our Instagram, Twitter and you know, snapchat
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: whatever up like during production so that anybody who cares
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: to follow it can go follow it. You know that
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: there's so many just the technology and the way that
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: people are consuming things, the pace at which people are
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: consuming and the volume at which they're consuming is it's
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: just changing everything. So yeah, there's departments are just going
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: to keep popping up up until like we just have
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: everything covering. There's just gonna be thousands of people working
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: on every little TV show, which is only going to
• 43:06
  Speaker 5: be good for people in my position because it just
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: means more work. So all good things.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And also I wanted to mention too when I
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: was talking to Mike about about the the video stores
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: that were gone. I was just meeting like stuff like Blockbuster,
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Highwood Video, those guys. I mean there's small mom and
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: pop places. I actually there's one right up the street
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: from me. It's about thirty minutes away. But yeah, I
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: know there's still places here and there, and I'm glad
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: they're still open, honestly, because honestly, those are the places
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: that that you know, I'm you know, like Quentin Tarantino,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: he worked at a local video store and stuff like that,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: and I love just you know, you know, honestly, I'm
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: actually starting to go the other way, Jamie, with a
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: lot of things, Like I used to be in love
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: with Amazon and how easy it was. Now now I'm
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: just like, I'd rather just go out now to a
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: little mom and pop place and five by whatever the
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: hell I'm looking for.
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: I yeah, I'm you know, it's I go back and
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: forth because it's just so obviously it's it's amazing to
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: do Amazon, to order things online, and you know, and
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: listen again, I'm in New York City. We like, I
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: barely even leave the apartment sometimes because the food will
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: come to me at three in the morning if I
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: want it to and whatever cuisine I like. So the
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: ease is terrific. But I know exactly what you're saying,
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: and I think I've reached a little bit of fatigue
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: with it as well. I recently started really buckling down
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: on ordering comics online because I have a great little
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: spot right down the street from me that's like a
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: little indie comic shop that sells a lot of zines
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: and sort of you know, interesting more highly curated, uh
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: sort of titles. But then, you know, I hop on
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: the train and I get into Union Square and I've
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: got my little local comic shop here that has just
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: everything under the sun. And I spent a good few
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: years just ordering like you know, like oh the new
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: Saga's out, or oh the new Walking Dad or right,
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: and I would just order it on Amazon. And now
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: you know, I've really I've really kind of changed my
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: tone and just like, why am I it's right there,
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: I should just go down the street support these local businesses.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: So yeah, no, I totally get that, and I think
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: and I think that's a thing that we're all probably
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: going to start experiencing, and it's only going to be
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: good for those little mom and pop businesses. I just
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: you know, brick and mortar stores. You want to talk
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: about a tangent, I could go off about how I'm
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: just convinced we're all going to be living the movie
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: Wally within the next like ten years. But you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: we all just fight the good fight best we can.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: But no, I'm totally on your on track with that
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: same as you.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, Mark Zuckerberg he announced his plan to
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: do away with the smartphone, and it's all about AR
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: mixed with a little bit of VR, mixed with a
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: little bit of AI. And it's just like I honestly,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: I don't think that maybe if you if we baby
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: step this out, but I think like if you were
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: to try to radically just change things overnight, like with
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: with an ar VR AI con like, I think what
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: he's trying to do where it's like, you know, because
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: there's also a company that's trying to get rid of
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: computers as we know them, and it's just going to
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: become that an augmented reality system where you're just kind
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: of like moving parts around. I'm just like, yeah, that
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: that might be good, but you know, I don't know
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: if how long that's gonna take for everyone to actually transition.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, my god, they just killed fifty six k
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: modems in this country a while ago, right, I mean
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: or an analog and analog cable signals.
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: Though, man, there's still listen, there's still people all over
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: you know, not necessarily a ton of people on the coast,
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: but there's people all over, you know, the middle of
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: this country that still have dial up internet, you know,
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: like it's it's I don't know, man, I don't think
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: that I even have I have guys on set, I
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: have guys that work on sets still that I'll be like,
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: oh yeah, I'll email you a call sheet. No, no,
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: I don't email, You're gonna have to print me one,
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: Like who are you? How do you not have the email?
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: But these people still exist. So I think that you know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: the Zuckerbergs of the world, and you know Elon Musk,
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: and like everybody's technology, everyone is just sort of stuck
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: in this loop of like it always has to keep
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: going at this exponential rate that it's been going. And
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying it needs to slow down, but I think,
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: like I have a lot of thoughts about VR that
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: I just am convinced VR. A lot of people are
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: really hitching their wagons to the VR thing, and I
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: don't necessarily I'm personally in this. I don't know. It's
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: hard to when you're speaking from your own personal position,
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: like you know, it's hard to say, like, you know,
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: maybe the kids will be really into VR. I don't think.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know. But I as a person sitting at
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: my age and what I do for a living, I
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: do not ever think I am going to watch a
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: movie specifically made or a television show or anything like
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: that that is specifically made for VR. I just I
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: just don't know that that content is ever going to
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: catch on for me or people like me. I just
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: don't think about it. I don't don't think but I was.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: But that being said, I do think that there are
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: very incredible and there's a lot of potential for VR
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: in a lot of ways. Because so I was out
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: at Sundance, not this year, but the past year, and
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: I got somehow another got looped in with like the
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: ILM people and they were doing a VR like demonstration.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: I was like, all right, well, let me see what
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: this is all about. It's im I'll see. So I
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: put on a helmet and whatever, and all of a sudden,
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: I'm on tattooed and there's bbaight and that that great.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: It's the coolest thing ever. So uh and they were like, well,
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: we do other movies too. And then all of a
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: sudden I was walking around with a velociraptor and I
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: was like, all right, this is actually too nope, too real. Stop,
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: I'm actually scared. Quit it. There's a velociraptor in my face.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: So but they you know, and I was just like, okay, cool,
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: that was a fun trick guy. Thanks, And they were like, well,
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: you work in movies, right, Yeah. I mean, that's sort
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: of my thing. They were like, all right, well, let's
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: talk about some practical implications. So then they start showing
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: they flip it over to it was some production. I
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: don't know if it was for an actual production or
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: something that they had just sort of mocked up, but basically,
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: if you're gonna go if you're working on a movie
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: and you're gonna build, say like in a however many
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: hundred thousand foot warehouse, a huge spaceship, or you're gonna
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: build a mansion set or something like that, VR they
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: started showing me these like schematics for these sets, but
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: they actually had built the sets out entirely in VR,
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: so that you could put a camera in a certain
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: camera position, see exactly what your shot was going to
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: be on your fake set that hadn't been built yet,
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: so that you could have every idea about every potential
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: shot in your movie on this set that was completely
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: not even existent yet, just through VR, so that you
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: wouldn't spend any money at all being like, oh, no,
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: actually that doesn't quite work. We're gonna have to rebuild her.
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: Oh the measurements aren't quite You do all of your
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: pre planning in VR and then you you know, it's
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: the whole like measure twice, cut once thing you've measured
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: a million times digitally.
• 50:00
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• 50:07
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• 50:10
  Speaker 5: And then just go out and build the thing, and
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: everything's going to go exactly as planned, you know. And
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that's not exactly how it works, but like
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: that kind of thing is a practical application that I think,
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: and you think about that, like you can do that
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: before you build a hospital. You can do that before
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: you Like that's the real world stuff that I think
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: VR is going to be huge for. I don't think
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: VR is going to be a huge storytelling medium in
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: the way that people are sort of hitching their wagon too,
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: if that makes sense.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I concur I just I think that VR is
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: going to be a lot like what three D was,
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: where you know, the glasses and then they had to
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: watch you had to get the three D TV and
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: had a three D you know, blu ray and And honestly,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: of all the friends that I have who are huge
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: in the movies, the movie going experience or the movies
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: every weekend, only one of them actually went out and
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: actually bought something like that, and he and he has
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: a ton of disposable income where he can actually buy
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, because like, honestly, even if I had
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: like a ton of extra money, I don't even think
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: i'd buy that. And there's and you know, I I
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: just that same way I feel about VR. I just
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: would rather, you know, have a better story. And plus
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like having my eyeballs burned out every
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: which way I keep turning, because like smartphone screens are
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: bad enough, and it's just like I don't need to
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: be staring at another screen for twelve hours, fourteen hours
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: a day. And but yeah, so I mean, I yeah,
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: I definitely concur about that, and I mean honestly that
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: So that's why I think that, you know, it's a
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: lot of the trial and error too with technology. I
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: know you mentioned technology they always have to feel like
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: has always has to be pushed forward. But even if
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: we just you know, but I think it's more of
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: it there are trying to push it forward. I agree
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: with you on Matt, and I think I think they
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: realize too, like the Elon Musk's and the and the
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: ex workers, it's gonna be a lot of trial and
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: error because I mean, Elon Musk is the CEO of
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: three different companies, and I guarantee you I honestly sometimes
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: I think that he even knows he's overreaching, and I
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: think he just keeps doing it for for you know,
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: just because he either because he can or maybe he
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: just thinks, you know, if he throws up enough hail Mary's,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: one of them has to pass.
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: Right right right? Oh? Absolutely, yeah? And hey, you know what,
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: these are the people. These are the people in large
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: part giving us a lot of this great stuffs that
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: you know, Listen, I am look at what we're doing
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: right now. I am sitting in New York City, you're
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: sitting in Philadelphia. I am speaking into the air in
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: my apartment, and we are going to digitally project this
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: to the world at some point. You know. It's where
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: it's the whole Louis c. Cabe. Actually, this is the
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: email signature in my uh when I send an email
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: to has sent from space because of this whole Louis c.
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: K bit where he's talking about some guy yelling into
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: his phone on the or is it you yelling about
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: the Internet working on his on an airplane or something.
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: He's just like, give it a second, it is going
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: to space. Just give it half a second. So, like
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: I I'm always I'm always the first person to just
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: be like, guys, we are living in the future. I
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: talk to my I talked to one of the three
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: robots I have in my house, and I ask that
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: robot to turn the lights off when I go to
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: sleep at night. You know, I talk to my Amazon
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: Echo thing and I say Echo, bedroom light off and
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: it goes off. And I genuinely that has not stopped
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: being cool. You know. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta,
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: I gotta room to the vacuums my floor. I got
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: you know, it's you know, like whatever, Like we were
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: living in the Jetsons. Guys, it officially happened, you know,
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: and it's it's funny, you know, growing up around the
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: same time, I think as I think we did you
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: ever flying cars? Whatever? Guys? Flying? Who needs flying cars?
• 53:49
  Speaker 5: That just sounds dangerous and terrible to me. We're talking
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: to robots in our house telling them to do things,
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: and we have all of the world's information at our fingertips.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: No longer will you beat a ball being like, oh,
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: and what was that movie with the one guy and
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: the thing? Yeah, that you have that answer. Anyone can
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: pull the computer out of their pocket and have that
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: answer in ten seconds. You know. It's the future is now,
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: and I for one just love it. And these, you know,
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: in large part, these are the guys who are making
• 54:19
  Speaker 5: this happen. This is so funny, my echo, because like
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Star Trek, we've called her a computer. So every time, yep,
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: she just came on again. Sorry anyway, but man it,
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: you know, I try not to be like, all right,
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: let's all slow down. It's all moving too quickly because
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: I love it. I love all the cool technology that
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: we're able to play with, especially within the especially within
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: the storytelling space. Yeah, you know, it's it's all happening
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: really fast. So it's like, maybe instead of moving on
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: to the next thing, let's try to perfect some of
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: the things that we have. Yeah, yeah, I don't know,
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: but that's that's that's I feel like, I feel like
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: we've covered about twenty different conversations for another time, but
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: we'll just dive. We'll just diving into them all here.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: And I love that.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: I do want to talk about Split. I mean, you know,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: just sort of going back to Split. I do want
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: to say you know, you shot your short film in
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: twenty ten, and then in twenty fifteen you actually made
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: it into a feature film, and and you know, a guess,
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: I know we were talking about so many different topics.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: I'm like, we actually should talk about split.
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: Well, that's what I'm telling you. That's what a great interview.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: You see somebody on like like a Stephen Colbert or
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: like an Old Letterman episode, and I just did the
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: very end. They're like, oh, right, in your album, let's
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: talk your album come out. But yeah, I mean we did. Yeah,
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: we did the short in twenty ten. We actually shot
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: the movie in twenty twelve, came out in August I
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: think it was August second, twenty sixteen. It was about
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: four years of post which is what happens when you
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: you know, yeah, I'm sure it's said on this podcast
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: probably a hundred times good, fast, and cheap. You know,
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: I wasn't going to sacrifice good, so I wasn't gonna
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: sacrifice good, and I couldn't sacrifice cheap, so fast went
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: out the windows. So I've had a lot of people
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: working on favors, and you know, if you have somebody
• 56:16
  Speaker 5: who's doing a lot of really great post production, work
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: for you, and then they're just like, hey, I have
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: to go to Montreal to work on a movie that's
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: gonna pay me a lot of money and you're paying
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: me none money. Then I'm like, all right, cool, well
• 56:30
  Speaker 5: we'll just uh, I'll do maybe some sound work over
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: here with this other part. You know, you just kind
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: of have to. So it took us a little while
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: to get it out into the world, but so yeah,
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: we were like in post production movie ready to go,
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: you know for the most part, and just sort of
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: like having to get some other little pieces out. And
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: then I saw I think it was somebody who just
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: sent me a text or something with the trailer of
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: like coming soon from Midnight shomp. No, you know what
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: it was. It was a news rooms like the announcement
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: of the fact that he was gonna make a movie
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: called Split. And I was like, oh boy, what's this
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: going to be, you know, and people should we change
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: the title, and I'm like, no, it's our title. We
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: were here first, what are you talking about? But yeah,
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: so yeah, so we came out in twenty sixteen, and
• 57:17
  Speaker 5: it's uh, yeah, it's been a fun little ride. Man,
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: it's you know, still continuing. We are on. If you're
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: an Amazon Prime subscriber, we are one of the uh,
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: one of the movies you can watch for free as
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: part of your Amazon Prime subscription. We are also available
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: to rent or purchase on iTunes. We're on. This is
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: actually something that's been amazing through the distribution process that
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: I just so much of it's new to me, but
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: this particular part they're like, okay, we're gonna put you
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: so you're on iTunes. I'm like, okay, got it. Xbox,
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: Oh you can. Okay, that didn't know you could do
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: that great PlayStation that one too great? Also Voodoo So okay,
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: what's that It's Walmart streaming service. Oh well, okay, cool,
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: there's that I just learned about. We're on probably I
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: think I want to say, like fifty different platforms. I
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: knew maybe three of them existed. So that's that's been
• 58:09
  Speaker 5: a fun little ride. But yeah, man, it's it's it's
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: just good. You know, we just made a cute little movie.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: Everything that I said from the beginning, I was like, listen,
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: there's not enough bowling movies out there. I like rom coms.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: Let's make a bowling rom com so that we're not
• 58:26
  Speaker 5: doing the exact same movie people have seen a hundred times,
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: and we're having a little fun with it, and I
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: you know, I want people to go on like a
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: date night, or I'll want people's like folks to go
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: or somebody to be able to take their kids, you know,
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: probably around the age of twelve or thirteen year older
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: kids and just you know, walk out of the movie
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: and just say, huh, that was cute. All I was
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: going for. We're not changing the world here. I'm not
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: trying to make some sort of like huge amazing message.
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: I just want people to leave say that was cute,
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: and then be like, you know what, we haven't done
• 58:56
  Speaker 5: it in a while. Let's go bowling. So then then
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: people are going bowling. And that's really just what we
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: set out to do, and that's what I think we accomplish.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: It's been a lot of fun, and it's only been
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: only been made a little bit more interesting by the
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: fact that one of the most polarizing directors of a
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: generation decided to make a multiple personality serial killer movie.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: I'm the same name.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: It's about where we are.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's again, as we were talking about in the
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: pre interview, I actually, you know, It's just funny because
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: about my friend who actually found Split. I was like, oh,
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: there's another movie out called Split. Did you hear about this?
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: And I said, I said yeah. I said, actually I'm
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: talking to them. He looked at me so odd. When
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: I said yeah, I'm actually talking to the director tomorrow.
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: He goes, what, Yeah, are you screaed with me? Yeah?
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like what I'm because like because one of
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: my friends was finally like, he goes, Dave, I'm just
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: going to ask you if you've heard of these guys.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: He's like, you seem to know everybody. And I said, well,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: thank you. I try.
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: But turned out turns out that's so funny.
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• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: I had a coworker who I guess it was back
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 5: in like February or March, had had went to go
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: see The Shaman Split, and as they were walking out,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: somebody was like, you know, I tried to find a
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: stream of this online, but I've got some stupid bowling movie.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Have you had?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: It's also that's been that's been interesting. You know, like
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: it is what it is, but you know, people who
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: were going out to watch a horror movie that I
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: guess on some sort of excites again things I'm not
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: familiar with. But I think the torrents Or streets something
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: somewhere out in the world in a very popular place.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: It seems that our movie has been basically it's all
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: of the artwork, all of the synopsis, everything, completely out
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: there in the world. For pretty early on it said
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: split as if where the Shyamalan split. But then you
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 5: clicked on it and you got our movie. So we've
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 5: gotten eight ton of people that were not happy about
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: that happening. So that's that's been you know, it's been something.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: But you know, in fairness, there have been there have
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: been you know, here and there, there have been plenty,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: They've been plenty enough people you know that have just
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: been like, hey, I found this totally wasn't the horror movie,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: but it's pretty good. Great, thanks guys.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: But somewhere somewhere, somewhere along the line on some sort
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: of like back channel, Torrenty put movies up for free place.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: Those wires got crossed. Actually iTunes at one point big
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: you know, awesome apples. I'm all on the Apple train.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: I love them all. I have all their products. The
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: hate at one point had what was it? It was
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: our movie? It was our movie you it was where
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: you went to like fine hours, But then down at
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: the bottom all of the trailers were for the Shamalan movie.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: So it was like even iTunes had some of their
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: wires crossed, which is and again and then apparently there's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: a Third Split movie that came out in twenty sixteen
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: that I you know, that is just out apparently like
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: a completely out there sort of mind screw of a
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: movie that I also haven't you know that I that
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: I haven't seen, but I know exists. So hey, you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: know what, it's a very popular little five letter word.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 5: What can I say?
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we should sit down together you myself, might Shyamalan,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: and the other and another guy from that Third Split,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: and we should the four of us can compare all
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: of them back and forth.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: Oh what I wouldn't give What I wouldn't give to
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: just hear from anyone in the like Shamalan camped to
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 5: just say, hey, guys, yes, we know there's a bowling movie.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: Isn't that funny? Like just something like how many people,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: how many people have taught? How many people? And I'll
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: just go to my death bed. I'm sure wondering this.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: How many people have gone up to m Night Shyamalan
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: have been like, hey, do you know there's a bully
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: movie called h If It's happened once, it's enough to
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: make my lifetime. That's that's really truly the case.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, you know what, you know what I
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: should tweet m Night after this, after this interview, I
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: should tweet her about it and see. I mean, let's
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  Speaker 3: let's be honest, there's a ninety nine nine percent chance
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  Speaker 3: he's not gonna respond to me because he's gonna be like,
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  Speaker 3: wait a minute, isn't this that weird guy? And that's
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  Speaker 3: how the best how most people usually say remind I
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  Speaker 3: remind people, isn't this that weird guy from that thing?
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  Speaker 5: But I'd say there's also a ninety nine point nine
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  Speaker 5: percent chance he doesn't run his own Twitter, so there's
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  Speaker 5: also that.
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  Speaker 3: He well he actually does. Oh yeah, it's a it's
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  Speaker 3: all him.
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  Speaker 5: Oh wow, Well that's cool. That's after that. That's like
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  Speaker 5: mad respect for him, because like I'm there's so many
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  Speaker 5: people that like spend so much time make it seem
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  Speaker 5: like it's them, but it's not actually that you know
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  Speaker 5: what I'm saying. Oh yeah, so that's actually really cool.
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  Speaker 5: If that's legit him, that's great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's apparently the because uh, I mean obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just other people they've said, yeah, that's actually him doing
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  Speaker 3: it all. And then like Kevin Smith, he does all
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  Speaker 3: his own apparently, And uh, because I had a friend
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  Speaker 3: of mine whose job when he went out to LA,
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  Speaker 3: his first job was actually running celebrity Twitter accounts and
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  Speaker 3: that like he would actually just to make sure it
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  Speaker 3: looks like them. So then he ended up doing stuff
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  Speaker 3: for like a couple of adult film stars, like doing
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  Speaker 3: their social media, and he said he got so burned
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  Speaker 3: out because you can imagine, like it was just a
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  Speaker 3: constant bunch of like weird, creepy guys going like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: well I can't yeah, we have sex with me. It's like.
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  Speaker 5: I can't even imagine. I can't. I can't even imagine
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  Speaker 5: how tough it is to just be a woman on
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  Speaker 5: the internet in general. But just oh my goodness, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I can imagine that would bring that would that would
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  Speaker 5: cause a person to burn out pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has a lot of other weird stories
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  Speaker 3: which I which I won't go into right now. But
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  Speaker 3: but uh, but but Jamie, you know, I mean we've
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: been talking for about an hour and five minutes now,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I know, we you know, just to talking
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  Speaker 3: about Split. You know, is there anything you know we
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  Speaker 3: didn't get a chance to talk about that you wanted
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  Speaker 3: to sort of talk about, or anything you wanted to
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  Speaker 3: say to sort of put it PERI at the end
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  Speaker 3: of this whole conversation, I.
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  Speaker 5: Mean, not necessarily, I would, you know. I I think
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  Speaker 5: I got in all of my all of my little
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  Speaker 5: plugs for the movie. I mean, that's that's really, that's
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  Speaker 5: really the the important thing as far as I kind
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: of you know, and I think just as a person
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  Speaker 5: that comes and does any sort of podcasts like you're own,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: like I'm actually I'm having a great time talking. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, anybody who's listening, if you're interested in seeing,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: if you like romantic comedies, if you like bowling one
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 5: or the other, especially both, please go see Split, Not
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  Speaker 5: the m Night Shyamalan movie, the world's first romantic bowling comedy.
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  Speaker 5: We are the easiest place to find all the play
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  Speaker 5: all the ways we're available is just to go to
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  Speaker 5: Derby Cityproductions dot com. Like Louisville, Kentucky, like the Kentucky
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  Speaker 5: Derby so Derby City Productions Plural dot com And that's uh,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 5: you know, our trailers there, and there's an Amazon button
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: if you want to watch it on Amazon. There's a
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: you know, Google play button. How I pick your poison?
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  Speaker 5: It's all right there. You can also follow us on
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  Speaker 5: Facebook and Twitter around both of those. It's just Facebook
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  Speaker 5: dot com slash split the movie and Twitter dot com
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  Speaker 5: slash split the movie. Make sure you put the gun
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: in there, because if you just do split movie, you
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: go right to Shyamalan, which is which has probably led
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  Speaker 5: to the most hilarious Twitter conversations where people have sort
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: of tagged split the move tagged us thinking they were
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: tagging the Shyamalan movie, which I just can't help but
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: have somebody from our side respond to every time it happens.
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  Speaker 5: And it's also no, I mean, there have been some
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: pretty hilarious there's specific when it first when the uh
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: the other split came out. Uh, there was a guy
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: who did a whole Facebook status update that somebody had
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: sent me about how he you know, he enjoys a
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: little uh herbal refreshment from time to time this guy,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: and he got a little bit, got a little bit
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: greened out, a little bit blazed out, sat down and
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: thought he was watching a horror movie. And he just
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: does this whole account of how he got point for
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: point through our movie, thinking like, when is this guy
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: gonna turn and start kidnapping girls? When is this when's
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: he gonna murder somebody? He gets through pretty much the
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: whole movie, and then eventually it's like, wait a second,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: James McAvoy's not in the Like, what's amazing to me
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: about that? Is my name as the director is? I
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: don't think you make it two three minutes into the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: movie before you see that, and you know, like it
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: says directed by not m Night Chamalan in very clear
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  Speaker 5: print in the movie. Maybe he it just keeps happening.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe he thought that was another alter ego of the song.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: Maybe and he goes, oh, it's not. It's not Emma's
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Shyamalan directed this. It's his alter ego. Jamie Duckner.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's my Yeah, that was my that was
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  Speaker 5: my go to. Uh when this first started happening too,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: I was like, what a twist, right, guys? It was
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: a bullying movie. The whole time, all m night. It's
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 5: always got some sort of twist in store for you. No, man,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: I think I think you know, we we've covered, we've covered,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: We've covered quite a bit. I don't think that there's uh,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: I don't think. I mean, here's the thing, like with
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: your podcast, uh, the episodes I've listened to, it seems
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: like a lot of your audience is going to be
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: people wanting to get out there and sort of do
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: it on their own, or are doing it on their own,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: or just you know, I all I if I have
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 5: maybe two cents worth of advice to offer, it's just,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: you know, there's all the reason in the world to
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: get swayed away from doing it. But if you have
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: what I was talking about earlier, and you have that
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: that inability to do anything else and you just have
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: to be telling stories and you have to be doing this,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: then don't let anyone stop you from doing it. It
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: took us years and years to get this movie made,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: and so much got in the way, and so much
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: you know, tried to whatever. Like there's there's always hurdles.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: Just get out there, start making something, and by all means,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: finish it. Because there are so many The most amazing
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: stories to me are when people are like, oh, yeah,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: I got on this movie and then we shot it,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: and then this happened, and then I got into posts
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: and then it just kind of never went anywhere, And
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: I'm like, I do not know how anyone could ever
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: get into that position, like just put it out on
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: YouTube or something like you just get out there have
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: your story told. There's too many ways for you to
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: just get your story out into the world these days,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: and it's just it's too everything is too readily available
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: for you to have any excuse to not just be
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: out there telling your story.
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  Speaker 5: So get out there and do it. If if this
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: is the right space to just like throw that advice
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: at anybody, but it seems like your listenership would probably
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: appreciate that.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I completely uh, I think this is the
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: best best spot to put that in that. Yeah, and
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: thank you for saying that. And I know exactly where
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: you're coming from about people, you know, we get sort
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: of stuck. I mean I've been there, honestly, Jamie. But
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: that's a whole another three for another time. But Jamie Bucker,
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  Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming on.
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  Speaker 5: Buddy, absolutely, man, thank you very much. Great talking with you.
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  Speaker 3: Great talk you to Jamie and listen. Whatever you could
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: do next, you know, let me know, and you know
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: I want to bring you back on. We'll talk about
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: whatever you have coming out next. And because I'd love
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: to have you back.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: Oh great, Yeah, I'd love to come back on for sure. Man.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
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