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UK Column On Location: Bristol—Kim Isherwood · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Kim Isherwood, I hope is well known to the UK
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  Speaker 1: column audience for a number of reasons, not just because
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  Speaker 1: her actions have been reported on the news many times,
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  Speaker 1: but she has also conducted a number of very compelling interviews,
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  Speaker 1: showed an academic background in criminology, and what she has
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  Speaker 1: done with Public Child Protection Whales is nothing short of astonishing,
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  Speaker 1: in particular her fight against the education system and the
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  Speaker 1: transgender lobby. So, without any further ado, we are pushed
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  Speaker 1: on time. But kim Issuwood, thank you very much for coming.
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  Speaker 1: You're very welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you Uki Colum for having us. This is a
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  Speaker 2: wonderful opportunity. So for those who don't know us, we
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  Speaker 2: are Public Child Protection Wales. You do exactly what it
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  Speaker 2: says on the ten. We are the public protecting the
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  Speaker 2: children in Wales. Oh let's please Okay, So we haven't
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  Speaker 2: got a lot of time today. I'm not really going
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  Speaker 2: to address much of the sex education with you because
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  Speaker 2: you can find all, like yourself dated on what I
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  Speaker 2: want to look at today. We're going to roughly look
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  Speaker 2: at the problem. I want to introduce some of the
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  Speaker 2: people that's fighting this in Wales, and then I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to discuss a little bit about the process that we've
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  Speaker 2: been through.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, mister speaker. Graphic lessons on oral sex, how
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  Speaker 3: to choke your partner safely, and seventy two genders. This
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  Speaker 3: is what passes for relationships and sex education in British
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  Speaker 3: schools across the country. Children are being subjected to lessons
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  Speaker 3: that are age and appropriate, extreme sexualizing and inaccurate, often
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  Speaker 3: using resources from unregulated organizations that are actively campaigning to
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  Speaker 3: undermine parents. This is not a victory for equality, It
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  Speaker 3: is a catastrophe for childhood. Will will I write, honorable
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  Speaker 3: friend honor his commitment to end in appropriate sex education
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  Speaker 3: by commissioning an independent inquiry into the nature and extent
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  Speaker 3: of this safeguarding scandal.
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  Speaker 2: So all of that is true, Okay, every single thing
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  Speaker 2: that is true, and you can find most of this
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  Speaker 2: on our websites. I'm not going to go through the
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  Speaker 2: actual sex education. If I did, I know, I would
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  Speaker 2: have teaas in the room because it happens every single time.
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  Speaker 2: Is sick. You can find everything on our website, public
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  Speaker 2: child Protection wills dot org, much of our fight evidence,
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  Speaker 2: what we've engaged with the government, the court system, and
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  Speaker 2: you'll find a lot about us, then the people of
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  Speaker 2: who we are? So who are the people behind this?
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  Speaker 2: We are from all walks of life. We've got computer
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  Speaker 2: software engineers, retired teachers, accountants, nurses, doctors, care workers, you
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  Speaker 2: name it, we've got it. People from all walks of life, strangers.
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  Speaker 2: None of us knew each other until our children became
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  Speaker 2: under attack. We are strangers to each other. But people
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  Speaker 2: think are we good friends? People think we're family, but
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  Speaker 2: that is not true. We're just all joined to one
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  Speaker 2: thing which joins through the heart, and that's our children.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's me mouth of the South. So my
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  Speaker 2: first permanent address was hmp YoY Eastwood Park, then hmp
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  Speaker 2: YOI recall hmp YOI Boulward Hall. I don't suppose there's
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  Speaker 2: many people in the room that can really relate to that,
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  Speaker 2: but I do know this is being streamed. So the
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  Speaker 2: people out there like me, the people who've been told
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  Speaker 2: on entire life you're less. This is your moment to
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  Speaker 2: get off your knees and on your feet. Are children
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  Speaker 2: need us? Now? You are not less, You are more.
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  Speaker 2: If you spend more time in the corridor in the classroom,
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  Speaker 2: you are more and we need you. Guys, now on
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  Speaker 2: the flip side of that, I am a criminologist. I
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  Speaker 2: do have a few degrees under my belt. I specialize
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  Speaker 2: in child sex abouse, institutional child sex abouse, which I
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  Speaker 2: learned about here. I learned a lot about life in prison.
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  Speaker 2: And when you've got somebody like me, when nothing's too
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  Speaker 2: hot or too heavy, you've got nothing they can take
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  Speaker 2: away from you. You've got an education. You can tangle
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  Speaker 2: that documents you do become quite dangerous to the guy.
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  Speaker 2: So now onto the process, the democratic process. I've got
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  Speaker 2: no faith in politics whatsoever. I've been bitten once, bitten
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  Speaker 2: twice shy. However, I had to take the country on
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  Speaker 2: a journey. We had to go down the democratic process.
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  Speaker 2: We took part in consultations where eighty seven percent of
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  Speaker 2: us rejected the sex education. Another consultation they didn't mention
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  Speaker 2: sex education. Best sixty eight percent of us still mentioned
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  Speaker 2: it and rejected it. They went ahead anyway. At the
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  Speaker 2: time Kirsty Williams on my right, you were left. She
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  Speaker 2: was the education Minister. And according to Kirsty Williams, the
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  Speaker 2: children of Wills are bunking on me. They are bunking
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  Speaker 2: on me. That was the speeches in the son of
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  Speaker 2: They were banking on her, all right, they were banking
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  Speaker 2: on her to give up a job and leave. Kirsty
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  Speaker 2: Williams did not stand for reelection and that's because of us.
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  Speaker 2: She was too scared to stand for reelection. We know this,
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  Speaker 2: We know it from people who's close to her. She
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  Speaker 2: couldn't stand the backlash against ours. See. Then we've got
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  Speaker 2: Becker Brown. So she was a counselor at the time.
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  Speaker 2: She's recently stepped down. So we've challenged the government. We've
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  Speaker 2: challenged the councils to the point where Louise Hos Councilor
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  Speaker 2: Louise Hose called an extraordinary meeting in gwynoth Council. If
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  Speaker 2: you go to the BBC, oh we were a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of animals in the gallery. We had to be removed
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  Speaker 2: away and poor beck Of Brown now's a panic alarm
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  Speaker 2: in her house because apparently I said she needs stringing up.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't even there. I wasn't even there. So what
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  Speaker 2: do we do? How do we respond to that? We
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  Speaker 2: started raising awareness and you won't know about this because
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  Speaker 2: you're not in Wales, but one of our leaflets went
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  Speaker 2: viral and as a result of that you will see
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  Speaker 2: we have twenty two local authorities in Wales. We have
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  Speaker 2: twenty two local authority WhatsApp groups fighting this. We are
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  Speaker 2: the only we are the only country in the world
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  Speaker 2: that can say that some groups have fourteen people, some
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  Speaker 2: groups have four hundred people, some groups are little less active,
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  Speaker 2: some are on fire. It's irrelevant. We have one hundred
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  Speaker 2: percent of the country fighting and that's why the Council
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  Speaker 2: are not allowed to engage on the topic of sex education.
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  Speaker 2: So we took it court. We went on the judicial process,
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  Speaker 2: a judicial review. Now we're dealing with an agenda, a massive,
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  Speaker 2: big agenda here. You can't possibly deal with this in court.
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  Speaker 2: But in Wales they had removed our opt out, our
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  Speaker 2: right to opt out of this education. So what we
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  Speaker 2: decided we were going to go into court to fight
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  Speaker 2: for our parental rights, our parental opt out. So into
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  Speaker 2: court we went to the High Court in Cardiff, which
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  Speaker 2: the media buried, they just skirted it over. We went
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  Speaker 2: into that court where the Welsh government was saying we
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  Speaker 2: were promoting misinformation, and we proved everything as fucked. We
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  Speaker 2: proved this was global. We proved the whole of the UK,
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  Speaker 2: all four countries adopted this in March twenty seventeen. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: the government brought her the big guns, using case law
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  Speaker 2: from around Europe. They successfully argued parental rights do not exist.
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  Speaker 2: They are not a thing. So we tried warning people
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  Speaker 2: in England, they're going to do this to you. They
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  Speaker 2: are bringing this sin, we're legislative changes. They will use
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  Speaker 2: our case law against you. Three weeks ago we were
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  Speaker 2: contacted by a parent in England. A head teacher from
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  Speaker 2: England was quoting our case law and taking big paragraphs
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  Speaker 2: from it. These teachers have been schooled with this legislation.
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  Speaker 2: You need to look out for this legislation. So that
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  Speaker 2: was the only thing they won in court, and they
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  Speaker 2: slapped on us a load of costs. We had to
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  Speaker 2: raise in excess of one hundred thousand pounds. But I
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  Speaker 2: was a lead claimant on the case simply because I'm
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  Speaker 2: the poor. So they can't have what you don't where
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  Speaker 2: you haven't gone. But they were sending emails threatening to
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  Speaker 2: remove my assets, and I told you got nothing. So
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  Speaker 2: what that meant for me was they were going to
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  Speaker 2: take my furniture. My furniture so my children would have
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  Speaker 2: a sofa to sit on. But I don't care. You
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  Speaker 2: send me a bill for fifty pence or fifty pounds,
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  Speaker 2: it means the same to me. It is just numbers.
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  Speaker 2: But with but with the help of UK call them,
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  Speaker 2: with the help of UK call them and other places.
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  Speaker 2: We did successfully raise that money. We held on to
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  Speaker 2: a little bit longer. You know, we don't want to
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  Speaker 2: pay them straight away. We were enjoying these emails. I
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  Speaker 2: was enjoying them, and because I was a lead claimant
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  Speaker 2: on the case, I had permission to speak for the
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  Speaker 2: other claimants. Now, if they were receiving these emails, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if we would all be here now. Because
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  Speaker 2: it was a difficult fight for some of them. Some
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  Speaker 2: were openly anxious, some captain and one started losing their hair.
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  Speaker 2: But I didn't care about this, not for me. I
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  Speaker 2: just had to protect the other claimants in it all.
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  Speaker 2: But like I said, we did pay it. We successfully
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  Speaker 2: created case law, We did prove this thing as fact,
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  Speaker 2: and now we have a person to blame through this
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  Speaker 2: case law. We can blame the head teachers. The head
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  Speaker 2: teachers have absolutely no idea. The government just put their
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  Speaker 2: head on the block. I don't take pleasure of of
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  Speaker 2: going after people's jobs. But this stage in the game,
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  Speaker 2: if they have failed to look into this education, they
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  Speaker 2: are negligent. So that was in the court. This was
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  Speaker 2: outside the court. What a beautiful week that was. They
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  Speaker 2: couldn't put their camera into our crowd because they didn't
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  Speaker 2: know whether it was a Christian or a lesbian. We
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  Speaker 2: were all stood shoulder at his shoulder, Muslims, Christians, people
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  Speaker 2: of faith, people love none. Children led it. The children
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  Speaker 2: were on the mat outside. The children were chanting, say
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  Speaker 2: no to our si, say no to oursie. What a
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  Speaker 2: wonderful moment, and that's why the media didn't report on it.
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  Speaker 2: I said straight to them, you're not reporting on us
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  Speaker 2: because when your camera comes into our crowd, you don't
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  Speaker 2: know whether it's a Christian or a lesbian. So outside
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  Speaker 2: the courts we got a little glimpse of the government's
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  Speaker 2: barristers going across the road. So we all started shouting boom, boo,
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  Speaker 2: shame on you, shame on you. It was amazing. But
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  Speaker 2: according to them, they were too scared to come out
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  Speaker 2: the front. After that. They always have to be hashed
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  Speaker 2: out the back. We had them, We booed them down.
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  Speaker 2: But I think the most magical moment of all was
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  Speaker 2: Paul Diamond's clothing speech when he absolutely annihilated Casey effect
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  Speaker 2: proved the Welsh government were the ones who brought misinformation.
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  Speaker 2: And as soon as I Judge stood up and went
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  Speaker 2: the court erupted. When we come outside, Paul Diamond come
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  Speaker 2: out through the door and the whole crowd was chanting hero, Hero, Hero, Hero.
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  Speaker 2: You could during all through the streets of Cardiff. What
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  Speaker 2: a moment that was. That is worth every little bit
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  Speaker 2: of this fight to be stood shoulder to shoulder Muslims, Christians,
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  Speaker 2: the children chalking on the floor, children playing together. That's
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  Speaker 2: something the government don't want. That's something the government is
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  Speaker 2: of unity. So now onto the people process and empty
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  Speaker 2: vessels make the loudest noise. I don't think you can
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  Speaker 2: see the shaded bit very well. That is supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be Peter Tatcher there. So Peter Tachall tried to come
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  Speaker 2: to Wills. Peter Tachall was booked in for an event
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  Speaker 2: with a BBC journalist. We found out they were in Abergavenny.
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  Speaker 2: If you go to the media. According to them, the
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  Speaker 2: police put a stop to this because there was far
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  Speaker 2: right extremists there, far right extremists. That's a lie. I
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  Speaker 2: informed the police that we were going because I knew
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  Speaker 2: there would be people there wearing our herdies, and I
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  Speaker 2: was not having them get into trouble. Peter Tucher in
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  Speaker 2: thirty years has never been canceled until that day. We
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  Speaker 2: canceled Peter Tatchell. It was us we turned up. We
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  Speaker 2: didn't want trouble. We don't want trouble. All we wanted
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  Speaker 2: was one thing. We pulled the PA system out and
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  Speaker 2: we played Peter Tatchell through the PA system, echoing through
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  Speaker 2: the streets of Abergavenny, talking about how sex were nine
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  Speaker 2: year old boys may be harmless, but we are the extremists.
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  Speaker 2: And then you've got this guy here, see him there
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  Speaker 2: in his heels. That is Ian Timbrel. Ian Timbrel was
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  Speaker 2: a teacher and he was a deputy head teacher. He's
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  Speaker 2: actually he's written articles on us, calling us radicals. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know who he was until I seen these articles.
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  Speaker 2: And I challenged him and I tried to playing what
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  Speaker 2: our concern is the sex abius taking plat pillars in schools,
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  Speaker 2: teachers assaulting our children. He wanted evidence. I give him
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  Speaker 2: piles and piles and piles of evidence. He blocked me
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  Speaker 2: and he's actively buried the sexual abuse and salts of
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  Speaker 2: children in Welsh schools for personal gain. Ian Timbrel, he's
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  Speaker 2: dressed like that for his eight year old pupils. Apparently
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  Speaker 2: that is gender stereotype. So they also put Ian Timbrel
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  Speaker 2: against me on ITV news. I had absolutely no idea.
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  Speaker 2: I did the interview in January. It was at the
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  Speaker 2: next September. You know, I give him forty five minutes.
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  Speaker 2: They give me twenty three seconds. But they brought Ian Timberlin.
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  Speaker 2: Now I didn't respond to Ian Timberlin that moment because
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  Speaker 2: there's a time on a place. So what we did
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  Speaker 2: was we went, we had our demonstration of side the
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  Speaker 2: Sir Nath and I turned up dressed as hee in Timbrel.
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  Speaker 2: That is not gender stead or typing ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 2: Those heels are for sex appeal. Women do not wear
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  Speaker 2: heels like that. Every day you will see people going
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  Speaker 2: to clubs, You'll see people dancing round poles, You'll see
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  Speaker 2: people in the streets selling themselves with those heels. That
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  Speaker 2: is not women. Women don't wear that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: You've got a man there flaunting himself in sex appeal
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  Speaker 2: heels for eight year olds and I'm the radical. So
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  Speaker 2: Misterian Timbrel is no longer a deputy head teacher. He's
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  Speaker 2: now an r S consultant and he's just been up
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  Speaker 2: for an award for his work on good mental health.
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  Speaker 2: So we've been all around the UK, ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 2: because we know norlag which is power. We've been to Scotland, England, Ireland,
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  Speaker 2: We've done tours of Wales and we know we need
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  Speaker 2: to educate our people. People don't quite understand what's going on,
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  Speaker 2: and the way we've gone about things has been wrong. Really,
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  Speaker 2: like me, I couldn't really string a sentence together when
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  Speaker 2: this stuff first came out. Now, how do you verbialize
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  Speaker 2: this stuff? So the new approach now for essays we're
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  Speaker 2: asking questions, have you seen this? Did you see that?
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  Speaker 2: Have you heard about this? It's not about winning the discussion.
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  Speaker 2: It's about planting the seeds. Are we the seed planters
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  Speaker 2: or the fruit pickers? We deceeed plants, ad and gentlemen
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  Speaker 2: the fruit desire for the children. So not only are
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  Speaker 2: we opening these discussions with people, we are actively training
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  Speaker 2: and educating the people of Wales. We are training them
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  Speaker 2: on advocacy, rights and representation, so they are now in
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  Speaker 2: Howard enough to go into the schools. We've had parents
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  Speaker 2: going into schools as an advocate, We've had parents going
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  Speaker 2: into schools with other parents as advocates, and we have
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  Speaker 2: managed to safeguard entire year groups by taking this approach.
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  Speaker 2: Not only have we done that, we have recently written
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  Speaker 2: our own training package for institutional child sex of books awareness.
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  Speaker 2: This training has been written for professionals working with children,
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  Speaker 2: but we really want it in the communities. This is
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  Speaker 2: a preventative approach. We've designed four new concepts of perpetration skill.
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  Speaker 2: It shows you how to prevent, how to safeguards, how
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  Speaker 2: to recognize, models of offending barrias, disclosure explanations of a
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  Speaker 2: books and types of books. This course is going through
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  Speaker 2: the CPD accreditation is going to be a qualification. So
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  Speaker 2: where we're at now, ladies and gentlemen, this is a
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  Speaker 2: mass empowerment exercise. We are people, so said, we'll speak
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  Speaker 2: at any platform, we'll go to any event. We're looking
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  Speaker 2: for that pair and people, people power, and that's what
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  Speaker 2: it's about. We've been raising money. We've got people walking
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  Speaker 2: across the width of whales people climbing mountains. All of
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  Speaker 2: this has been grassroots, not one single big donation, not
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  Speaker 2: one single big funder. But you know what, somebody can
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  Speaker 2: give you one hundred pounds, but ten people can give
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  Speaker 2: you ten pounds, and those ten people really matter. That's
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  Speaker 2: ten people supporting. So what we are doing right now,
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  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, we are raising money to get us accredited,
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  Speaker 2: which will be happening next month. Then we will be
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  Speaker 2: purchasing a minibus and we will be taking this preventative
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  Speaker 2: approach all around the UK, looking for new man's, looking
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  Speaker 2: for new dads, showing them how to prevent, showing them
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  Speaker 2: how this is wrong and not that way. We will
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  Speaker 2: create an environment where this stuff cannot exist. We will
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  Speaker 2: create environments where pride as are reluctant to a friend.
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  Speaker 2: And together this grassroots movement will make us the safest
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  Speaker 2: place in the world for raising and educating children. And so.
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  Speaker 1: I think the applause says an awful lot that I
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  Speaker 1: now don't need to and we said today is to
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  Speaker 1: be about people who are actually doing things mission would
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  Speaker 1: utterly unbelievable. And I think after hearing that, there is
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  Speaker 1: no doubt that we do go away as the seed planters,
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  Speaker 1: but the responsibility is now upon us, armed with what
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  Speaker 1: we've just heard.