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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 158 | Jaguars vs. Saints Top Takeaways · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Focom in a jag zama. I'm kind of honest.
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  Speaker 2: Stephens, Brian sext and John Oder with me today we
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  Speaker 2: go over preseason game number two had its New Orleans
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  Speaker 2: over the weekend and the Jaguars looking much better than
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  Speaker 2: what we saw in the first preseason games. Let's start
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  Speaker 2: out with our big Things, presented to you by g
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  Speaker 2: EH Government Employees Health Association, and it was practiced, not
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  Speaker 2: perfect all this week.
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  Speaker 1: They focused on two different things.
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  Speaker 2: First, they focused on the mental aspects of not making
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  Speaker 2: mistakes alignment issues that they saw in the preseason game
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  Speaker 2: number one, and Trevor talked about the focus on that
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  Speaker 2: in practice this week.
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  Speaker 3: It was good, you know, just really we always harp
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  Speaker 3: on the details, so I wouldn't say it's new in
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  Speaker 3: that way.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: I think this staff and everyone does a really good
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  Speaker 3: job of stress and how important the details are, but
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  Speaker 3: really letting that kind of drive practice. You know, if
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  Speaker 3: anything was if anything was wrong, it was started over,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And usually in practice you have those mistakes
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  Speaker 3: every team, everyone does it and you kind of correct
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  Speaker 3: them after. But you know, one of the days this week,
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  Speaker 3: we really just started everything over when those things happened,
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  Speaker 3: like we were, so we.
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  Speaker 4: Were looking for all that.
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  Speaker 3: The coaches did a good job of slowing it down,
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  Speaker 3: So we slowed some of the tempo down as far
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  Speaker 3: as post snap, but just really focusing on all the
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  Speaker 3: pre snap stuff because you know, keep doing the same
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  Speaker 3: thing and getting it the same results.
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  Speaker 4: So I thought it was a good job by the
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  Speaker 4: staff of you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, changing some stuff up, and I think it helped.
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  Speaker 4: Us this week.
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  Speaker 1: Ran.
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  Speaker 2: We've both been around a bunch of different kinds of
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  Speaker 2: coaches before, but this week, I think it was important
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  Speaker 2: to be one of those coaches where if you're not
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  Speaker 2: doing it right, we're not done with this drill, We're
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  Speaker 2: not done with this exercise. Tons of focus on doing
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  Speaker 2: things the correct way, even if it seems really simple
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  Speaker 2: because of those silly mistakes they saw in the first game.
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  Speaker 1: Was nice.
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  Speaker 2: It was not perfect by any means, but it was
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  Speaker 2: nice to see a lot of that cleaned up in
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  Speaker 2: terms of penalties, excuse me, in terms of penalties in
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  Speaker 2: the second preseason matchup.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Kai, one of the storylines for this training
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  Speaker 5: camp and preseason was that the head coach, Liam Gohen,
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  Speaker 5: was a first time head coach, so we were watching
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  Speaker 5: him as much as we were looking at his offense
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  Speaker 5: or the defense, just to see.
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  Speaker 4: How he does things.
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  Speaker 5: I've been very impressed listening to him and to see
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  Speaker 5: the things that he does. You got me with this one,
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  Speaker 5: but listen, he has impressed me. The story of the
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  Speaker 5: game was assignment and alignment as far as I was concerned,
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  Speaker 5: and Bucky and I during the telecast yesterday just tracked
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  Speaker 5: it from start to finish. And yes there was a mistake.
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  Speaker 5: They had the fumble, but there were no pre snap
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  Speaker 5: mistakes which they had seen against the Steelers John and
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  Speaker 5: they didn't have any other than the fumble. The dbos
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  Speaker 5: don't beat ourselves, and I thought that the week of
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  Speaker 5: practice paid off magnificently.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I'm using a guy who likes the coach who
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  Speaker 1: during practice play move on, don't go back and repeat,
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  Speaker 1: because he can't go back and repeat during the game.
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  Speaker 1: I think as time moves on with the veteran team,
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  Speaker 1: that's how you approach it. But last week that was
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  Speaker 1: not the way to approach it. And there was a
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  Speaker 1: day that Trevor mentioned where they flat out said we
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  Speaker 1: are not going to allow mistakes.
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  Speaker 6: We're going to get this fixed.
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  Speaker 1: Preseason has changed so much that you don't really know
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  Speaker 1: who's playing for the opponent anymore. I have no idea
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  Speaker 1: what the system is in terms of starters. Saints didn't
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  Speaker 1: play starters. I guess I don't care anymore. I just
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  Speaker 1: care what the Jaguars do. And what the Jaguars did
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  Speaker 1: was fix the glaring thing that had been hurting them.
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  Speaker 1: It had been the theme of camp and if they
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  Speaker 1: get that right, Liam clearly believes, don't make mistakes and
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  Speaker 1: you give yourself a chance. Yesterday they give himself a.
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  Speaker 4: Chance, you know, and Ki just a point.
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  Speaker 5: I think that if the Jaguars start to play well
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  Speaker 5: this year and they don't make mistakes, don't beat themselves.
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  Speaker 5: I think we'll look back at this week of practice,
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  Speaker 5: and normally, don't you know, we don't remember practice during
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  Speaker 5: training camp. We don't talk about it after we get
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  Speaker 5: into the regular season. But we might be turning around
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  Speaker 5: and looking at that week and the way that Liam
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  Speaker 5: approached it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly at the time of year to be working
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  Speaker 2: on that sort of thing. Second big thing today, it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be get physical because the other focus of practice
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  Speaker 2: last week was physicality. They went up against a tough
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  Speaker 2: Steelers team, didn't see all that they wanted to see.
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  Speaker 2: But coach Cohen felt good about this week of practice
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  Speaker 2: and what he saw in New Orleans.
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  Speaker 7: Had a very physical week of practice, and then they
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  Speaker 7: came out and played physically, you know, and they also
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  Speaker 7: played smarter in a lot of ways. So I definitely
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  Speaker 7: believe that this team responded in the right way, from
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  Speaker 7: being challenged post Steelers game to coming out having one
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  Speaker 7: of our better practices at training camp this week, then
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  Speaker 7: having a little bit of a uglier scrimmage, and then
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  Speaker 7: you come.
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  Speaker 6: Out and you start fast and the ones in twos.
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  Speaker 7: I feel like, for the most part, really competed at
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  Speaker 7: a higher level than maybe we had and there was
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  Speaker 7: no question that they were.
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  Speaker 6: Trying to play physical.
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  Speaker 2: John when Liam Crohen came in, he said physicality was
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  Speaker 2: what he wanted to be part of this team's identity.
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  Speaker 2: That was another focus in practice this week. Did you
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  Speaker 2: feel like it translated yesterday?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: As I said, it's gotten so hard. It's always been
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  Speaker 1: hard to analyze preseason. Now it's even harder because you
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  Speaker 1: don't know what you're looking at in terms of was
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  Speaker 1: this offensive line playing against their ones this So you
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  Speaker 1: get to the point where you look for glimpses, and
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  Speaker 1: you look for things that you think the coach is
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  Speaker 1: looking for, and I thought there were on the first
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  Speaker 1: two series, which is ones that mattered to me. There
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  Speaker 1: were times, especially on the second one, where they dominated
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  Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage where they showed what they want
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  Speaker 1: to be. Now they're going to be able to do
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  Speaker 1: that against a team starters. I don't know, but you
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  Speaker 1: wanted to come out of this preseason with an idea
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  Speaker 1: of how this team wanted to be third and three
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  Speaker 1: on the touchdown drive, they ran Travis Etn for six yards.
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  Speaker 1: That is a sign of what Liam Cohen wants this
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  Speaker 1: offense to be. He wants it to be able to
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  Speaker 1: run when it wants and needs to run. And there
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  Speaker 1: are moments of that the other day or on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought, maybe that's my biggest takeaway from me game.
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  Speaker 5: You know, you can't convince the other team that you
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  Speaker 5: are a physical team until you convince your own team.
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  Speaker 5: And so going into the second quarter and into the third,
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  Speaker 5: they kept with the run. Both of Baseial Tuton's touchdowns
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  Speaker 5: in this preseason were a result of physical effort inside
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  Speaker 5: the twenty yard line, which I love to see lots
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  Speaker 5: of coaches. Every coach says we want to be physical.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, football is a physical game, but not every
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  Speaker 5: coach will stick with it, like Liam Cohen is showing
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  Speaker 5: us that he will do, and so he's instituting that
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  Speaker 5: in the culture of his team. They expect to play
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  Speaker 5: the run, they expect to be physical, and oh listen,
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  Speaker 5: that's what Liam Cohen did in Tampa that brought him
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  Speaker 5: here to be the head coach. He resurrected the running game,
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  Speaker 5: it fixed the quarterback and the Buccaneers went into the
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  Speaker 5: playoffs last year. That's what the Jaguars want and need
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  Speaker 5: him to do here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought both of Tatan's touchdowns this preseason where
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  Speaker 1: sort of tone setting. The one last week where they
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  Speaker 1: sort of pushed him into the end zone. And yesterday
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  Speaker 1: they get to the nine yard line with the past
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  Speaker 1: tun or log and then three three yard runs by
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  Speaker 1: Twoton and they basically decided we're going to run the
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  Speaker 1: ball into the end zone. So, again, it's preseason, but
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  Speaker 1: that's what they want to be.
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  Speaker 2: Our final big thing today is going to be about
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  Speaker 2: the O line.
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  Speaker 1: The O line shuffle.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen a ton of movement along the offensive line,
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  Speaker 2: so far, and then yesterday some late scratches Anton Harrison
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  Speaker 2: and Chumatydoga didn't go. So we saw players playing in
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  Speaker 2: multiple positions. To see that in the preseason, but they're
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  Speaker 2: trying to get the handle of it. It can make
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  Speaker 2: it more difficult. Patrick McCay one of those players who
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  Speaker 2: played a couple positions yesterday, But he feels like they're
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  Speaker 2: getting there.
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  Speaker 6: I think understanding what's expected of us and like really diving.
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  Speaker 1: In on that playbook and keeping us all accountable on that.
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  Speaker 5: The more we do that, the more.
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  Speaker 6: We grow, the more cold ten we.
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  Speaker 5: Have behind what we're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Don't think we're wrong going to get better number we do, Brian.
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  Speaker 2: We should also mention reports of a trade that Luke
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  Speaker 2: Forwartner is going to be leaving. The former center didn't
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  Speaker 2: play last season, was potentially fighting for that backup role,
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  Speaker 2: but he's going to be heading to New Orleans. Colin
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  Speaker 2: Saunders defensive tackle could be coming here, so addition to
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  Speaker 2: the defensive line, subtraction from the offensive line, but they're
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  Speaker 2: clearly addressing that issue. We can talk a little bit
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  Speaker 2: more about the defensive tackle later, but the O line
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  Speaker 2: still seems like they're in the mix of trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out exactly who the five are going to be.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Kay, we talked in the spring about all
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  Speaker 5: the pieces that they brought in to fortify the offensive line.
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  Speaker 5: Whether it was mccaary that you're talking about Ridoga, whether
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  Speaker 5: it was the draft pick of White Milam or Trevor
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  Speaker 5: Monheim by the way, who is the young center from
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  Speaker 5: usc that they like a lot. Who made Luke Forsner
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  Speaker 5: a guy that they could trade if that's what they're doing.
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  Speaker 5: So they brought the pieces in, and John I the
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  Speaker 5: offensive line was a major question mark through two games. Boy,
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  Speaker 5: it looks like they have answers to the questions. And
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  Speaker 5: last week on the practice field, five different guys got
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  Speaker 5: reps at left tackle. Yesterday McCary had to step out
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  Speaker 5: and play right tackle. Fred Johnson went over and played
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  Speaker 5: right tackle to start the game in place of Harrison.
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  Speaker 4: They've got a lot of questions.
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  Speaker 5: But it seems like they've got a lot of answers
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  Speaker 5: and a lot of peace is to be able to
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  Speaker 5: find new answers should new questions arise.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they're still and they're still looking at
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  Speaker 1: the left tackle position. But I thought yesterday was significant.
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  Speaker 1: You had Adoga out, you had Anton Harrison out, cole
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  Speaker 1: Van Lammon's still out. I think those are three of
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  Speaker 1: their top nine when they start the season. So it
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  Speaker 1: feels like they're living up to what they said this
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  Speaker 1: preseason was going to be, which is not stopping looking
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  Speaker 1: for answers until they find them. And there were very
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  Speaker 1: few preconceived notions about this offensive line.
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  Speaker 6: So so far, so good.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see week one, all right, stay with the sera
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  Speaker 1: on jag Zam.
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  Speaker 2: Coming up, we'll look at some of the highlights from
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  Speaker 2: yesterday's preseason game against the Saints.
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  Speaker 7: This game was another step in the right direction where
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  Speaker 7: you saw him clicking through progressions again and getting to
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  Speaker 7: his you know, third and fourth reads a few times.
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  Speaker 7: I thought we protected them really well up front, which
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  Speaker 7: allows a quarterback.
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  Speaker 6: To do those things. And also when you run.
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  Speaker 7: The ball effectively, it also takes some pressure off the quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: So I was pleased with his outing tonight. Obviously, the
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  Speaker 7: one fumbles a tough one.
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  Speaker 6: Because you just got to eat that.
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  Speaker 7: It's a great learning moment for him, especially in the
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  Speaker 7: red area where you already have points. So when you
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  Speaker 7: have two turnovers in the red zone when you already
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  Speaker 7: have points. Those are tough ones when you end up
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  Speaker 7: tying a game.
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  Speaker 2: I took and Cohen kind of looking back on what
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  Speaker 2: you saw from Tarbor Lawrence on the offense, we got
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  Speaker 2: to see the starters, the starters that were available. There
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  Speaker 2: were some last minute scratches. It seems john to me.
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  Speaker 2: It seems kind of like if anybody is even sort
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  Speaker 2: of a question mark working on anything, that kind of
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  Speaker 2: just aired on the side of not playing. Obviously, we
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  Speaker 2: saw Travis Hunter, Deanmi Brown, extra, some other additions to
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  Speaker 2: the did not dress list. I mean we hadn't known
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  Speaker 2: earlier in the week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again it goes back to how much different
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  Speaker 1: and how standard this approach is. During pre season, I
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  Speaker 1: said at the top to Saint thing playing very many starters. Well,
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  Speaker 1: by the time you got down too, the Jaguars were
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  Speaker 1: without about eleven or twelve guys, and I think eleven
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  Speaker 1: of them I counted are gonna matter a lot this season.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, you air on the side if a guy
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  Speaker 1: is even remotely not you know, not ready banged up,
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  Speaker 1: you don't play him, and I don't. I don't expect
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  Speaker 1: to see very much on Saturday either.
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't think so obviously with the practice against the
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  Speaker 5: Dolphins this week, which is where they.
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  Speaker 4: Want to get to.
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  Speaker 5: The reps on the practice field are controlled and more
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  Speaker 5: meaningful to the coaching staffs of both teams this week
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  Speaker 5: than the time on the field on Saturday night.
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  Speaker 2: We did see the starters for two drives on offense,
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  Speaker 2: So let's take a look at the tape. Trevor Lawrence
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  Speaker 2: and the offense kind of going the length of the field.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously we'll get to that.
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  Speaker 2: Funnel which we didn't love so much, but kind of
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  Speaker 2: opening things up, getting first downs.
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  Speaker 1: Things you like to see there.
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  Speaker 2: Tank Spigsby had a catch and kind of a run
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  Speaker 2: off to the side, which was nice to see him
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  Speaker 2: kind of break a few tackles there, get out into
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  Speaker 2: open space and put the jets on a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And again, it's nice to see all these running backs
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  Speaker 2: making moves.
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  Speaker 5: Well, he was doing that last year if you remember
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  Speaker 5: the game against the Colts, the game against Detections. We
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  Speaker 5: saw glimpses of that, and then we saw glimpses of
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  Speaker 5: this in the game in Philadelphia. Whichever made that throw
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  Speaker 5: was intercepted. He's got to live to fight another play, right,
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna praise him by the way in the hot takes,
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  Speaker 5: but that's one of those things.
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  Speaker 4: Learned to live to fight another play.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got the feeling on that plane that you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's not trying to defend it to make that play, but
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  Speaker 1: it felt so good offensively, and they wanted to get
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  Speaker 1: that touchdown that they wanted to keep that going, and
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  Speaker 1: it didn't have much time on the field.
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  Speaker 6: They knew they were going.
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  Speaker 1: To play two series, so he almost got the idea
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  Speaker 1: that I just really wanted this play to work, didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to leave it on the field without but get I.
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  Speaker 5: Gonna say, don't you agree that that's the step that's
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  Speaker 5: the next step for him is.
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  Speaker 4: Yep, to not think you got to be the hero and.
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  Speaker 2: Everything, and especially on first and ten, got couple more
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  Speaker 2: opportunities defense. In Week one of preseason, we saw kind
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  Speaker 2: of that. I don't know if it's a communication issue.
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  Speaker 2: The defense didn't look great out of the start, but
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  Speaker 2: we saw much better communication this week, and of course
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  Speaker 2: the defense felt like they were all on the same page,
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  Speaker 2: which is to me one of the most important things
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  Speaker 2: because of all the communication issues they had last season.
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  Speaker 2: Do me I think at credit for a sack here,
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  Speaker 2: although it looks like Shuck might have just fallen down
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  Speaker 2: a little bit. But also Treyvon Walker getting into the
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  Speaker 2: backfield as well. It was nice to see this defense.
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  Speaker 2: Whether or not they're going up against starters, it was
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  Speaker 2: nice to see them actually getting some quality reps, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Chuck, Whether the New Orleans Saints are good
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  Speaker 2: or office year, that's probably gonna be their starting quarterback
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  Speaker 2: at some point, and so to get in the backfield
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  Speaker 2: kind of pressure the quarterback, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Always good to see.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and listen, there were a couple of their starting
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  Speaker 5: offensive linemen in there, and so for the Jaguars to
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  Speaker 5: get some pressure up the middle was good. Right here,
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  Speaker 5: you see there's Trayvon Walker doing what we expect Treyvon
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  Speaker 5: Walker to do all season long.
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  Speaker 4: And talking to Anthony Campaneely and.
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  Speaker 5: Josh and our partner and Josh Hantz Allen about Trayvon
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  Speaker 5: they expect to see a lot of that kind of
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  Speaker 5: play from him this year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Dooey gets the sack because he was there, and
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  Speaker 1: I think he would have sacked in kind of like Booth.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, Trayvon, he shows up and he's going to
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of sacks, and if he doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: a lot of sacks, you get a lot of plays
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  Speaker 1: like that, a lot of pressures where he matters on
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  Speaker 1: the play. So absolutely, you don't say preseason things are musts,
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  Speaker 1: but boy, it had to feel good for the defensive
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  Speaker 1: players to have a couple of series where they got
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  Speaker 1: him on off the field fast, where they felt like
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  Speaker 1: they'd played like they wanted to play.
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  Speaker 4: That felt important show some progress from the week before.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's take a look at that second offensive possession,
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  Speaker 2: because I think when we talk about Trevor making maybe
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  Speaker 2: a silly mistake right with the fumble, trying to make
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: something out of nothing there, it's important to bounce back
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: because so much of last season I felt like when
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: something went wrong, you were just waiting for the other
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: shoe to drop and you let it turn into a
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: snowball effect. And it was important, at least for me
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: to see Trevor kind of let that go and immediately
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: kind of go into this next drive, which was nice.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: And also seeing contributions all around. We talked about tang
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Bigsby on that first drive, etn here up the middle,
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: and seeing all the running backs contribute, and then obviously
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Parker Washington gets the touchdown later on in this drive,
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: and Parker's looking great in camp and translating into the game.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: And because the Ammi Brown and Travis Hunter relate scratches
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: in this one, Parker probably got a little more run
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: time than he would have normally.
• 15:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was talking about Parker in a bit.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: But the running backs, this is what they want. This
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: is what they want the offense to be. I mean,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: they want to be able to use Etn and Bigsby.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: They think they can both be productive. McQuinn Allen had
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: a nice run. I think it was in a second
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: they've been the second quarter. They want to be an
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: offense that utilizes these backs in different ways.
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: And I thought the run, the two runs.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: By Etn at fifteen yard that you're seeing, then the
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: six yard or later on that drive, I think if
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: you pulled lam Con aside and said how are the
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: most important plays in the game, those two would rank
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: up there. Because he wants to be able to run
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: and have drives where the run is the engine than
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: the past. And I thought on that drive the run
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: was the engine.
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: If you were to ask me who is has been
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: the best player on the field during training camp consistently.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: I would tell you Travis ETM.
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: And I wouldn't have told you at the end of
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: last year, I didn't want to see him run between
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: the tackles again. But he came into OTAs and to
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: the mini camp motivated. He's on a one year deal
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: and I think he has been sensational and that run now,
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: it helps when your offensive line is moving people and
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: he's able to use his speed and explosiveness, but his
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: willingness to put his nose in there and punch it in.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: I think he's had a sensational camp. It was two
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: years ago that he was a fourteen hundred yard guy
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: and eleven touchdowns on the ground. I think he can
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: be a major threat when you consider all the other
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: weapons that Liam Cohen and Grant Yudinsky have. I think
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Travis ETN has a chance to have a huge years.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Round this out and talk about another running back because
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: facial touton has impressed me. I'll talk a little bit
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: specifical about him in the hot takes, but on this
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: one when it's first and goal and you just give
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: it to him three times in a row because you
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: know he's gonna get in there at some point. I
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: think it was three hours, three hours and three yards.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: But just that's what you want. You want him to
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: go up the middle, keep his legs moving, get whatever
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: it might be. And we've talked so long John about
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: being good running team when they know you're gonna run
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: it right, Like, that's important thing. Whether or not it's preseason.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Not trying to make too much of it, but having
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: a back where you feel like you can rush with him,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: that's that's what this team needs.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we didn't see a lot of that kind
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: of series, that kind of finish where the back is
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: just sort of rolling into the end zone.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: We saw in.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: The last couple of years a lot of that back
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: like getting stuff.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: Laying on his back on the on the two yard lineup. Look.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I know fans watching this, it's preseasons, preseasons, preseason, I
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: get it. But that's how they want it to look.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: That's what you want to see during the preseason. It
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: was a great sign. And to see it four or
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: five different times out of the preseason already. We'll see,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: we'll see if it translates to the regular season. But
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: the money is where the mouth is in terms of
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: they set it all off season.
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: And they're showing what they want to be. So I'm
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: optimistic and we'll see.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: We talk about this kid draft weekend was his speed
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: and explosiveness, and certainly that's there.
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: But what I've been impressed with him is his patients.
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, you can see him letting blocks set up,
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: and not a lot of rookie running backs have that
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: kind of patience. And when you watch him run, it's
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: clear he is looking for where the hole is and
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: not just punching it up in there. I think he's
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: got the mental acuity for this game beyond just the physical.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: I think he's going to be a major factor this
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: year too.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Good stuff. I'm working.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Let's do the final play of the game. Obviously, play
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the game to win. It's preseason. We don't really we
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: got to tie and they don't play over time in preseason.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I think we all wanted another long cam little kick,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: but kind of going across the middle. There was it
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: nine seconds or left and then the interception. Make it
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: something mad and nothing. It's pre season, doesn't matter.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Brian, no listen.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: I talked to a coach who would have been involved
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: in the conversations around the decision. After the game, and
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: his point was, sixty yard field goals are not givens.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: So they practiced the situational mastery that they were looking for.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: They got a terrible throw right, a bad play, the
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: ball gets intercepted.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: Two things.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: You couldn't have a saccerin interception, and they got the
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: interception there. So the execution was horrible. But what they
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: were looking for is because you're not always going to
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: be indoors, right, let's see what it would take to
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: get a couple more yards and increase the odds of success.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: And it didn't work.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you made a good point here to stay Brian
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and everybody thanks. Because Cam had a seventy yard he
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: is gonna hit all the sixties. Pa, got to your
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: local high school field, stand on the fifty and look at.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: The goalposts twenty four feet, see.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: If it's close.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: So I didn't have a problem with it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Liked Liams approach afterward where he said, hey, crazy stuff
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: happens the preseason, and I do think they would make
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: the same decision during the regular season. By the way,
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: with the starters in your chance is getting intercepted, they
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: are low, and I do think the five or six
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: yards matter in that situation no problem.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: In the history of the NFL, Tom Dempsey kicked the
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: first sixty yard field goal for the Saints at tu
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: Lane Stadium in nineteen seventy, but since then they've only
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: been thirty eight field goals thirty eight in fifty five
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: years of longer than sixty yards. It's just the coach
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: looked me in the eye as he goes, Come on, Brian,
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: he's not superman.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: It is not an easy thing to do.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: The goalposts are only twenty four feet wide and you're
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: sixty yards away. We're going to with a timeout try
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: to get a couple more yards or maybe position the
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: ball a little bit more in the center of the
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: field for the kicker. That's just good strategy. So it
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: was situational and we'll see how they play it. But
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: did not we hear from the coach that they were
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: looking for situations in these preseason games and.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: That what that was.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: And they got themselves won for sure.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: All right, say was we got hot coming up for
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: you after the break here on jagsam Dam brought to
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: you by Firehouse Subs Today specifically, are hot takes brought
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: to you by fire House Subs.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I played with Parker now for a
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: few years and he's, you know, just the way the
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: room is kind of shaken out the last couple of years.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: He's always been in that position, but he just keeps
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: making plays. So I don't you know, I don't want
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: to put numbers on any on anybody or what they
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: are or aren't, but he keeps making plays and keeps
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: showing up, and it's gonna it's gonna be tough to
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: keep that guy off the field of the way he's playing,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: and I've just been impressed by the way it works.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: You know, this guy is always in great shape, can
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: play all the different positions. I think that's really what
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: you're seeing has helped him so much as he can
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: move around.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: It can Parker Washington praise from Trevor Lawrence and we
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: all have a hot take after preseason game number two. John'
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: wan to let you go first, because I think you'd
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: agree with Trevor Stick and Parker Washington.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, I've always liked Parker as a person.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Talking to him, I did not think that he would
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: force his way into the receiving rotation this year with
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Dimmy Brown, Travis Hunter and uh Brian Thomas Junior, but
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I think they're gonna find a way to play him. Yeah,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and I think Liam I think mentioned if, but Trevor
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: certainly did.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: You look at.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Him and think that he's a slot guy, but he can.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: Play all three different positions.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: So he's gonna be absolutely valuable because he knows how
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to play them all. If one of these guys gets hurt,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: or if Travis Hunter is in a phase where he's
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: not playing much, that they have an option. But I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: don't know how they're gonna do it. I haven't talked
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: enough people to know sort of what's gonna look like.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: But my understanding is that they're sort of dealing with
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: and saying, we got to find a way to get
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: this guy in the field. He makes too many plays.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: It was last time we had that problem around here.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I think you said in the last segment that Travis
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: c Tm was this player in camp.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: You think he Parker might be. I mean, he's close, right,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: And who thought that was gonna.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: Be the when training camp began draft and develop, which
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: they haven't done enough of around here. But it looks
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: like there's a couple of young players in Parker. Washington's
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: one of them.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I've just been impressed with what he's been able to
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: do the last couple of seasons as well. I think
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: you got to give him credit for being thrust into
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: positions where you know, maybe he wasn't ready or he
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: didn't know where he's going to be. When you talk
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: about I think Brent Strange did some of that too
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: last year. When you're dealing with the injuries, it's you
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: take the playing time wherever you get it, and Parker
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Washington has taken that and run with it, certainly so
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: far with what was seen so far and training.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: He has a great attitude too.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: If you ever listened to him or talked to him,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: he is a guy who understood that the odds were
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: against him and he never let that become an issue
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: and became a great special teams performer.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: I'd just love to talk to him too.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: All right, Brian, what's your hot take for us?
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know that I've seen Trevor play that effectively.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: He was as good during those two drive not We
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: already mentioned the fumble, and that was a bad decision,
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: but there were two throws three in particular John that
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: had me excited about him. The third and eight to
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: Brenton Strange where he climbed the pocket and you thought, well,
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: he's gonna put it down and run.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: And he didn't.
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: You know, he buzzed his feet and then just threaded
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: the ball to Brenton's Strange. I thought that was an
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: example of him understanding the offense.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: It was a beautiful throw.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Later third and two, another ten yard throw on the run,
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: moving the ball right through traffic into Brenton Strange. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: then I hate that turn his back and roll out.
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: He got hurt against the Colts last year with that one.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: I just I don't like that play. But it was
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: tighter yesterday. And then he stopped and waited for Brian
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: Thomas for half a step. I just was really impressed
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: with his poise, his patients in the pocket, the way
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: that he went through the reads. Call it discipline. I
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: just I left the broadcast booth yesterday thinking he's ready
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: to take a big step forward.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: How long it takes him, yeah, to actually make it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: He's ready.
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm encouraged.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: It seems like I keep using the phrase I'm not
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: sure it's right that he's getting his feet under him.
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: In this offense. And I don't think he's trying to
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: be spectacular.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: I think he is still going through the learning phase
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: of this offense, making sure that he knows the footwork proper,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: making sure that he knows what they're asking of him,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and it seems like he's sort of taking the approach
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I'm going to get to six or seven, meaning I'm
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: going to learn how to run it. I'm going to
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: drive the speed limit, if you will, and then at
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: some point he's going to take the restrictor plate off
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: because he can and go. So I like the fact
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that so far he seems very in control, very poised
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: in it, because you know, if he gets that that
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the spectacular is in him. So I'm encouraged as well.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Fingers crossed. I'd like to see the progression, and I
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: hope this continues into the regular season. I'm going positive
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: for my hot take as well. It's almost toot in time,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I think too. At the beginning of training camp, I
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: felt like it's a crowded running back room, and I
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: felt like everyone had their strengths. But slowly I'm getting
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: to the point where I feel like Tuton can do
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: almost all of those things as well, if not better
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: than some of his competitors. So for me, my hot
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: take is going to be I think Touton will be
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: getting the bulk of the carries before the bye week
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: because for me, talked about a speed right out of college.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: We already knew that, right Brian, you talked about his
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: patients out there, his vision, his tenacity, keeping his legs
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: moving and then working with what's being given to him,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: right because you want to wait for the whole to
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: lot to open up. He can make a burst, not
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: trying to run around the tackles. You got to wait
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: for things to play out. He's showing he can do that.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And his dependability thus far has been impressive to me
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: because you know what you're getting every time.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: He gets the ball.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: So I think sooner than later he might be the
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: lead back.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: You're on the Tuton train, I'm on the Touton train.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Here are the two too.
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: I think there's a possibility of that.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I also think that they're in an unreal situation because
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I think Travis me atm may have something to say
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: about it, which is.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: What you want.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: So but that's not out of the wrong possibility.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: We'll have to see how things play out.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Stay with us. We'll tell you what's coming up the
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: rest of.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: The week, including joint practic in Miami later Jack Fan,
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• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was amazing, Uh, I had first off
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: we'd be able to make his last treatment day.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Was was awesome to be there.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: Nurses were school kind.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: And so helpful throughout the whole journey. Uh, they made
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: they made his you know, his journey a lot of easier,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: and they made it especially for that day. Man, I'm
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: so happy. He glad that, uh he's done.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: With treatment and you know, we could continue to progress
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: as I was a seven year old boy. I wanna
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: take a moment to celebrate Josh heinz Allen and his
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: family's special moment. His seven year old son Wesley, diagnosed
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: with leukemia back in January, has done six months of treatment,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: but his final chemotherapy appointment was last week and got
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: to ring the bell and such a wonderful family, So
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Josh and his wife Caitlin and Wesley. Of course, so
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: you guys may know because he walked out with him
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: when he was drafted. That was Wessie's seen years old
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: now and I'm very fortunate if he done with treatment.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: It's really different because Josh lives in Jacksonville. I mean,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: his family is here. He's a part of the community.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: He's always out and about doing things.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: And so they're not strangers, and I know there's a
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: lot of people that are praying for him.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Good sincere guy, and uh, I'm glad that's going well.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Behind them, Absolutely, talk football real quick. We're headed to Miami.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have practice here tomorrow and Wednesday, but then
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: the team goes down there joint practice with the Dolphins.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: There's always something.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: To get out of joint practice, and it's nice to
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: go up against a team that's not your own.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Can't wait to see it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's a team that in two of the
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: last three years has been a playoff team, you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: ten win teams. So they obviously have a lot of
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: talent and a lot of speed, and the jagguars will
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: be better for having practice against him.
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I get the idea.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: This will be the one joint practice.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: I get the idea.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: I get the idea listening to Liam Cohen. This will
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: be the last time that we have that few for
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: a while.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: He likes this for me.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Will also be live jag Exam on Thursday from practice
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Johnny and your son hat.
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so we'll bring my sun.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, we love that.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I'm fared up, absolutely alright. We will be back and
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: stay here on jagsam on Wednesday. Maybe you see that