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Dr. Lisa Nezneski – Grounded in Chaos · Vox Novus with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension,
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
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Speaker 1: their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
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Speaker 1: rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice. If tomorrow you lost everything
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Speaker 1: that you built, your home, your marriage, and your savings,
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Speaker 1: how would you emerge from the chaos and start over again?
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Speaker 1: My guest this week on Box Novus, doctor Lisa Nezneski,
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Speaker 1: did just that. Doctor Lisa is a leading authority in
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Speaker 1: the field of integrative medicine, bringing the benefit of traditional medicine, meditation,
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Speaker 1: and alternative modalities in a well rounded approach to health
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Speaker 1: and healing. She's a certified mindfulness meditation teacher and a
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Speaker 1: Board certified pharmacotherapist, professional healthcare consultant, botanical medicine specialist, Reiki master,
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Speaker 1: intuitive author and speaker. Her website is Lisa Naznsky dot
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Speaker 1: com and she joins me this week to share her
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Speaker 1: path and book, Grounded in Chaos, Leaning into Adversity, Learning Joy.
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Speaker 1: Please join me in welcoming to Vox Novis, doctor Lisa Neznsky. Welcome,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Lisa.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Lisa. Please share with us your path before the
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Speaker 1: series of events that changed your life.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, it's pretty a raw emotional story, but
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Speaker 2: I'll start with I was working a job where I
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Speaker 2: was driving one hundred and twenty miles a day, sixty
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Speaker 2: miles to and fro, and I was the primary bread winner.
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Speaker 2: And in January of twenty fourteen, I was called down
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Speaker 2: to the cfo's office. Now I was a hospital administrator
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Speaker 2: at that point, and so he was very gentle explaining
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Speaker 2: to me that my wages were garnished. Surprise, surprise, So
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Speaker 2: it was a huge shock. I came to find out
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Speaker 2: that we were getting audited by the IRS and we
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Speaker 2: owed them thirty two thousand dollars, some huge amount of money.
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Speaker 2: So since they garnished the wages, we were able to appeal,
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Speaker 2: but they put us on a payment plan. So I
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Speaker 2: had a mortgage, I had a second mortgage, and then
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Speaker 2: I had this payment to the IRS, which amounted to
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Speaker 2: be a third mortgage. And I just couldn't handle it anymore,
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Speaker 2: you know, being the primary breadwinner. And I had that
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Speaker 2: uncomfortable talk with the ex husband and said that we
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Speaker 2: had to sell our house because I just couldn't afford it,
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Speaker 2: and so we did that. He wanted to move to Butler.
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Speaker 2: Everybody knows Butler from Slummer of twenty four Infamous Butler.
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Speaker 2: But I said, no, if we're going to move anywhere,
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Speaker 2: let's go somewhere with lower taxes and it's warm. So
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Speaker 2: he suggested Wilmington, North Carolina, and I spent four years there,
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Speaker 2: I believe. So moved in the September of twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 2: You know, the house did sell, and at that point
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Speaker 2: I began to live in an or two foot r
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Speaker 2: RV rather RV, and it was you know, moving from
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Speaker 2: a twenty eight hundred square foot house into a three
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Speaker 2: hundred square foot RV was miserable for me. You know,
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Speaker 2: my lifestyle was cut by you know, basically ninety percent.
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Speaker 2: So I was functioning okay, but I hated it. And
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Speaker 2: when we moved onto ten acres of property, things only
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Speaker 2: got worse. So at that point, I'm working full time.
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Speaker 2: The nearest neighbor was maybe a football field away. It
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Speaker 2: was pretty isolated, and he would quote go out to
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Speaker 2: work every day. But I was basically by myself there
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Speaker 2: and so one morning I'm out walking the dog, and
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Speaker 2: I look down and I see this dinner plate size
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Speaker 2: print footprint in the sand. There was no grass, it
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Speaker 2: was all sand around the house. So I see this
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Speaker 2: footprint and take a picture, and I put my foot
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Speaker 2: next to which is, you know, for just to measure size.
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Speaker 2: It was enormous. It was much bigger than my foot.
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Speaker 2: And when I went back in after the walk there,
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Speaker 2: I just googled just for fun bear print. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 2: sure enough it was a bear print. And there I
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Speaker 2: was in the middle of where with bears and poisonous
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Speaker 2: snakes and so things got pretty bad rapidly after that
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Speaker 2: point because emotionally I didn't have any support. I was
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Speaker 2: by myself. And yeah, that's the point where I said,
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Speaker 2: you know, enough is enough. So pretty much everything has
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Speaker 2: changed in my life since twenty fifteen. I mean, my
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Speaker 2: name has changed, my where I live. Gosh, I think
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Speaker 2: I moved five times since twenty fifteen to so this
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Speaker 2: is the sixth move. And as I said, everything's different.
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Speaker 2: I divorced and my last name changed back to my
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Speaker 2: maiden name, which I'm never changing again, even though I
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Speaker 2: did remarry, and the job that I had then I
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Speaker 2: left that job. I worked for a consulting company for
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Speaker 2: about the last ten years or so, which was much
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Speaker 2: better suited than driving back and forth to Wheeling, West
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Speaker 2: Virginia in the middle of the winter from Pittsburgh. But
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Speaker 2: the thing about North Carolina was there's no real infrastructure
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Speaker 2: compared with a big city like Pittsburgh. It's a great
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Speaker 2: place to go and visit, and the beaches are nice.
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Speaker 2: But I spent a year waiting out the divorce on
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Speaker 2: North Top Cell Beach and that was very therapeutic for me,
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Speaker 2: and I started to turn things around with virtually anything
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Speaker 2: that I thought could help me heal. So I had
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Speaker 2: some reiki girls, I had a reiki shawman, I had
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Speaker 2: a psychiatrist, a therapist. You know, attempted to eat better,
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Speaker 2: but during that period of the divorce, I had lost
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Speaker 2: probably sixty pounds, which was probably not healthy losing it
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Speaker 2: that quickly. So you know, I'm still struggling a bit
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Speaker 2: with diet, but you know, things are much more calm
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Speaker 2: right now. It was just such an intense period. You know,
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Speaker 2: we separated, and in North Carolina you separate for three
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Speaker 2: hundred and sixty five days plus one before you can
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Speaker 2: file for divorce, which took an additional ninety days. So
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Speaker 2: even though I separated on August eleventh, the following year,
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Speaker 2: in December is when that was actually finally divorced. And
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Speaker 2: in the interim there was a lawsuits. The ex sued me.
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Speaker 2: It was a baseless, baseless you know. In fact, the attorney,
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Speaker 2: my attorney got dismissed with prejudice, meaning he can't come
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Speaker 2: after me again, which is reassuring. And yeah, I haven't
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Speaker 2: heard from him since, which is you know, we share
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Speaker 2: two children, but we never ever are in the same
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Speaker 2: location at the same time. And I think my oldest
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Speaker 2: son manages that so that he doesn't have the stress
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Speaker 2: of both of us there at the same time. To me,
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Speaker 2: you know, I could see him or not. I saw
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Speaker 2: him every day for thirty four plus years, probably thirty
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Speaker 2: eight years now that I think back, and you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm a big girl. I certainly wouldn't start anything. We
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Speaker 2: didn't start anything except for him, but with the lawsuit.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, that was really difficult. It was a time
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Speaker 2: period where I didn't feel grounded. So I began to
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Speaker 2: really use a technique of grounding every single day so
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Speaker 2: that I would have a clear, clear mind while I
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Speaker 2: was working. I mean, I really didn't want to lose
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Speaker 2: my job at that point, so uh, you know, I
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Speaker 2: did did a great deal of development with my career
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Speaker 2: in those those years. But again the what what my
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Speaker 2: rather straight laced pharmacist cohorts would think is rather woo
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Speaker 2: woo things I did freakye. I meditated, I became a
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Speaker 2: mindfulness meditation student and moved on to become a teacher,
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Speaker 2: and all of those pieces Living by the Beach began
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Speaker 2: to present a much clear picture of what my true
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Speaker 2: calling was during that time.
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Speaker 1: We're going to share more about your book, Grounded in Chaos,
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Speaker 1: but before we do, your professional specialties include pharmacotherapy and
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Speaker 1: integrative medicine. Please tell us about these practices and how
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Speaker 1: they address the needs of patients.
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Speaker 2: Sure, pharmacotherapist is a specialist that takes a board certification exam,
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Speaker 2: and I originally was certified back in nineteen ninety one.
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Speaker 2: It's quite some time ago, so I think I actually
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Speaker 2: sat for the very first board certification exam and then,
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Speaker 2: of course you have to keep that uf. But the
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Speaker 2: idea is we are the most trained medication specialists for
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Speaker 2: various conditions. There since many specialties subspecialties of that you
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Speaker 2: can become a partiology specialists or an oncology specialist, but
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Speaker 2: I like the generalists because at that point in my
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Speaker 2: career I was working in nursing homes where you get,
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Speaker 2: you know, a great deal of geriatric medicine, but the
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Speaker 2: number of different basic medications that people in those nursing
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Speaker 2: homes took were somewhat complicated, and I always considered myself
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Speaker 2: the anti drug pharmacist. I was trying to help people
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Speaker 2: get off things if I saw what I considered to
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Speaker 2: be side effects, and that actually became my greatest skill
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Speaker 2: through that time, is to be able to sort out
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Speaker 2: whether it's a new condition or a side effect of
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Speaker 2: an existing medication. So I became actually really good at that.
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Speaker 2: As far as integrative medicine goes, this is I'll give
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Speaker 2: you an abbreviated version of this. In the middle of
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Speaker 2: all of that. It's in the late nineties I opened
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Speaker 2: a health food and vitamin store and became certified in
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Speaker 2: integrative medicine, which means, you know, looking at the individual
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Speaker 2: as a whole, finding the root cause of their illness
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Speaker 2: and not slapping a medication band aid on it. So
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Speaker 2: I really got excited about this when doctor Andrew wil
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Speaker 2: wrote his first book because I saw people began to
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Speaker 2: use herbal medicines but in ways that probably weren't safe.
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Speaker 2: So I had pharmacognzy when I went through pharmacy school,
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Speaker 2: so I had a depth of knowledge in plant based medicine.
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Speaker 2: So from that, I opened a consultative practice at my store.
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Speaker 2: It was called Healthy Self. Came from Heal Thyself, Healthy Self,
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Speaker 2: and had a great deal of individual clients that would
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Speaker 2: either come to the store or I'd make house calls,
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Speaker 2: and that was what I felt was the most rewarding
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Speaker 2: part of my career is really helping people avoid medications,
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Speaker 2: look at the root causes, and then help them with
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Speaker 2: the skills that they would need to become healthy that
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Speaker 2: are within their control. So that was a really fun
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Speaker 2: part of my career. When I got here to Florida,
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Speaker 2: I opened Healthy Mindful Self. It's an online store, but
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Speaker 2: I also do consultations about medications as well, with that
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Speaker 2: same philosophy of helping them find the processes that they
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Speaker 2: can do on their own without a physician intervening. So
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Speaker 2: it's you know, they don't need the physician to become
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Speaker 2: healthier and looking at their diet, their exercise, have as
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Speaker 2: their sleep, along with any other supplementation natural supplements that
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Speaker 2: may assist up to a point. Now there is a
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Speaker 2: point where you know, traditional medicine definitely has a role,
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Speaker 2: and I don't have any problem with that. You know,
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Speaker 2: surgeries of course, antibiotics, things like that. But there are
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Speaker 2: some lifestyle diseases like high cholesterol, being overweight, hypertension, things
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Speaker 2: like that, where that people can make some changes on
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Speaker 2: their own. So that those are the two areas of
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Speaker 2: my traditional medicine specialization.
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Speaker 1: Your book is entitled Grounded in Chaos, Leaning Into Adversity,
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Speaker 1: Learning Joy. What does the phrase grounded in chaos mean
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Speaker 1: to you?
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Speaker 2: Well, the story about living in North Carolina. It was
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Speaker 2: a tornado of emotions and I had been the primary
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Speaker 2: breadwinner for many years, and I, you know, if mom
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Speaker 2: didn't work, we didn't eat, so I would Basically I
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Speaker 2: spent many years stuffing. And when I was in this
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Speaker 2: tornado of emotions, as I was getting hit from all sides, financial, physical, emotional, relationships, spiritual,
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Speaker 2: you name it. It was all going on at the same time,
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Speaker 2: and so I felt like I needed to really hone
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Speaker 2: in and ground myself. Several times a day. I was
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Speaker 2: taught a grounding technique from Psychic Horizons School in Boulder, Colorado.
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Speaker 2: There's one on the West coast, but this is the
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Speaker 2: one in Boulder, Colorretto and I found the techniques extremely helpful,
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Speaker 2: and so I began taking a lot more classes from them.
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Speaker 2: And the grounding part of it was you're sending energy
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Speaker 2: down to the center of the earth, and you're attacking
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Speaker 2: your being to the center of the earth, and you
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Speaker 2: feel the connection, the deep connection. I would walk on
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Speaker 2: the beach barefoot. That's another grounding technique. And so through
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Speaker 2: that tornado of emotions, I was able to let some
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Speaker 2: of those go, process those by allowing them to leave
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Speaker 2: my body through a grounding technique. So that's where the
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Speaker 2: grounded in Chaos came from as a title. It was
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Speaker 2: a very emotional period in my life. I was basically blindslided,
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Speaker 2: blindsided by a lot of the events that were happening,
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Speaker 2: and just when I thought something was a little bit
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Speaker 2: under control, it was like those spinning plates. One would
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Speaker 2: crash and I'd go back into this what do they
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Speaker 2: call that disaster management? I guess my life was a
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Speaker 2: complete hot mess at that point. So the grounding techniques
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Speaker 2: were very comforting to allow me to move forward with
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Speaker 2: my life.
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Speaker 1: You shared many of the difficulties that you faced on
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Speaker 1: your journey. Was there one that was the most difficult
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Speaker 1: and how did you navigate it?
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Speaker 2: Well? Shortly before I took a new job, when I
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Speaker 2: was still at the hospital, I ended up in the
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Speaker 2: emergency room, primarily because I was stuffing down those emotions.
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Speaker 2: And what happened was my heart rate. Well, now, let
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Speaker 2: me back up. I had massive chest pains. They were
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Speaker 2: worse in the middle of the night, and I sat
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Speaker 2: up and thought, oh, my gosh, my grandmother died at
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Speaker 2: a younger age than me from a cardiovascular disease. And
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Speaker 2: I thought, oh, yeah, the number one killer of women
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Speaker 2: right now is heart disease. I need to get somebody
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Speaker 2: to look at this chest pain. I'm giggling now, but
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Speaker 2: it was. It was serious as a heart attack, really,
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Speaker 2: So I ended up in the emergency room at the
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Speaker 2: University of Pittsburgh Presbyterian Medical Center and they did a
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Speaker 2: complete work up. And there I'm lying on the gurney
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Speaker 2: in the emergency room, and my blood pressure was normal,
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Speaker 2: my EKG was normal, my oxygen saturation was normal, and
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Speaker 2: the room was filled with you know, residents and medical
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Speaker 2: students and attendings and nurses and nursing students. I mean
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Speaker 2: the room was full because they wanted to figure out
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Speaker 2: what was going on, and they were all trying to
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Speaker 2: learn from my case. So I'm watching these these chest pains,
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Speaker 2: these squeezing chest pains, and I'm looking at the monitor
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Speaker 2: and I'm seeing my heart rate drop, and I'm seeing
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Speaker 2: that they're not seeing what I'm seeing. So I tell
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Speaker 2: them look at the monitor, and I get a bunch
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Speaker 2: of blank faces. I see that they don't see my
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Speaker 2: heart rate dropping, and I said, watch my heart rates,
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Speaker 2: watch my pulse, and so as they do, they can see.
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Speaker 2: Now I'm like at thirty eight, it drops to thirty six.
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Speaker 2: When it got to thirty two, I turned and looked
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Speaker 2: at the X and said, this could be it. I
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Speaker 2: could be checking out. Tell the kids I love them
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Speaker 2: and I don't want to miss my life. So that
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Speaker 2: was the first time when I knew I needed to
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Speaker 2: change things. So the job changed. First, of course, I
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Speaker 2: lost the house after that and then moved and you know,
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Speaker 2: went through through the divorce. But that was the line
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Speaker 2: in the sand that I knew that I needed to
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Speaker 2: make major changes.
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Speaker 3: In my life.
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Speaker 2: So it was my body telling me to really start
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Speaker 2: to pay attention.
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Speaker 1: You had it right in front of your eyes, the
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Speaker 1: warning signal I did. I did as we said. The
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Speaker 1: subtitle is leaning into Adversity, which we just discussed and
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Speaker 1: then also learning joy. Can you share an example of
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Speaker 1: an unexpected moment of joy that stood out for you?
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Speaker 2: There were many of them when I was walking on
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Speaker 2: the beach. The interesting thing about living on the beach.
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Speaker 2: I was actually on the inner coastal side, but there
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Speaker 2: was one street, so there was either beach front or
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Speaker 2: inner coastal, but from my rental property, I could see
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Speaker 2: both from the windows. There were tons of windows. Living
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Speaker 2: at the beach helped me, you know, with all the
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Speaker 2: good ions really processed that. But the sunsets were more
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Speaker 2: gorgeous than the sunrises, so I would look out over
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Speaker 2: the inner coastal side facing west, and I remember there
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Speaker 2: were many times I'd reached for my camera, but I
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Speaker 2: remember standing on one of the four balconies that I had,
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Speaker 2: looking out at the sunset set and really being in awe.
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Speaker 2: And it's humbling when you see nature in all its
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Speaker 2: glory just in front of you, and you have to
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Speaker 2: stop and you have to look and you have to enjoy.
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Speaker 2: So since then I've joined the Cloud Appreciation Society, you know.
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Speaker 2: In fact, I began to appreciate nature so much that
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Speaker 2: I became a shaman, which is the use of nature
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Speaker 2: in healing. So I really really found that as being
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Speaker 2: one of the pivotal moments in finding joy, and it
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Speaker 2: shaped the direction of where I was going to go
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Speaker 2: with my healing practice.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. My guest, doctor Lisa Neznski, her book Grounded in Chaos,
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Speaker 1: Leaning Into Adversity, Learning Joy, Doctor Lisa, please share with
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Speaker 1: our listeners where they can get your books and find
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Speaker 1: out more about you and your work.
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Speaker 2: Yes, my website is my name www dot Lisa La
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Speaker 2: nez Neski, November Echo, Zulu November Echo, Samuel Kiloindia dot com.
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Speaker 2: And I also have my books available on Amazon and
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Speaker 2: on Healthy Mindful dot com, which is my retail store.
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Speaker 2: The online retail store. The next edition of Grounded and
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Speaker 2: Chaos will also be available from Gotham Books as well
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Speaker 2: as independent bookstores and Amazon of course.
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Speaker 1: And we'll be back with more of doctor Lisa after
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Speaker 1: Back on Box Novus, my guest this week is doctor
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Speaker 1: Lisa Neznski her book Rounded in Chaos, Leaning Into Adversity
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Speaker 1: and Learning Joy. Doctor Lisa, what role did mindfulness meditation
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Speaker 1: play in your personal healing process?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 2: Gosh, it was huge. I mean I was mentioning how
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Speaker 2: I wasn't paying attention to my body and one of
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Speaker 2: the three basic anchors of mindfulness includes bodily sensations, so
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Speaker 2: the other two are breath, paying attention to the breath
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Speaker 2: and ambient sounds. But I found the most benefit from
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Speaker 2: paying attention to my body where I had stuffed down
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Speaker 2: emotions and not processed them. So it was a beginner's
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Speaker 2: journey in meditation each time because I wasn't really aware
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Speaker 2: of these sensations and in fact, I started taking some
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Speaker 2: exercise classes at the same time and found that I
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Speaker 2: could actually feel the tension in my body from you know,
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Speaker 2: either sitting and I call it mousing, you know, working
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Speaker 2: on the computer all day. Yeah, and the tension during
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Speaker 2: that time because I didn't know what else would blindside me.
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Speaker 2: And I am really bad at being blindsided. That's one
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Speaker 2: of the learnings that I got through this was that
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Speaker 2: I don't like being blindsided, and so but there are
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Speaker 2: times when you need to actually let go of the
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Speaker 2: control and let things happen and look at it from
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Speaker 2: a more mindful perspective. So being in the moment was
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Speaker 2: so important in finding out how I was feeling, how
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Speaker 2: I was processing the emotion, and then was there anything
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Speaker 2: else that my body needed at that moment to be
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Speaker 2: able to move beyond. And I still use a process
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Speaker 2: like that on my Thursday night. Mind from his meditation
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Speaker 2: class from last week was exactly that. We went on
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Speaker 2: a journey to find out where nagging physical problem the
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Speaker 2: original emotion that was tied to it. And it was
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Speaker 2: really fascinating for all of us in the group that
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Speaker 2: we found things we didn't even think we were still
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Speaker 2: caring with us so it was just fascinating.
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Speaker 1: I had a wonderful spiritual teacher who shared the expression
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Speaker 1: everything is unfolding in divine order. Your biography says that
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Speaker 1: you believe that everything happens in its own right time.
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Speaker 1: How may we see this in our lives?
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, we we all think that we have
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Speaker 2: a plan, and I think i've heard God God laughs
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Speaker 2: when man plans, so you know, things don't work out
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Speaker 2: as you plan. And I think the concept of things
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Speaker 2: happening in their own right time is that we think
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Speaker 2: we're in control of things, but we're not, and things
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Speaker 2: work out to our advantage. If we think about things
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Speaker 2: that were disappointed about that didn't happen the way we planned,
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Speaker 2: or any any particular event where you know, maybe he
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Speaker 2: missed the train, something simple like that, where you missed
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Speaker 2: it because there was an accident on the train line
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Speaker 2: that day or something to that effect. You were spared
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Speaker 2: some additional grief. So yes, you were put into some
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Speaker 2: mild to moderate discomfort about that, being disappointed, but yet
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Speaker 2: it all turned out for your good. So that's what
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Speaker 2: I mean by everything happens in its own right time.
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Speaker 1: Reiki was life changing for me in so many ways.
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Speaker 1: In the early nineteen nineties. Please share with us how
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Speaker 1: reiki graced your life and what you experienced in the process.
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Speaker 2: When I worked at the hospital where I was the
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Speaker 2: hospital administrator, I was over the cancer centers and I
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Speaker 2: thought it would be wonderful as an adjunct therapy to
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Speaker 2: bring in reiki practitioners to help the patients. Well, I
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Speaker 2: was summarily shot down from that, and I thought, wow,
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Speaker 2: this is just a shame that they have these backward attitudes.
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Speaker 2: But there were so many red flags in that job,
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Speaker 2: not only driving one hundred and twenty miles, but I
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Speaker 2: did some more investigation and actually talked to the reiki
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Speaker 2: practitioner that I was bringing on board, although it did
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Speaker 2: not happen, and I realized that this is an interesting process.
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Speaker 2: It's more or less like a healing of hands hands free.
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Speaker 2: About ten years prior to that, I had done some
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Speaker 2: of the I think it's Elizabeth Brennan hands of Light work,
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Speaker 2: and this I felt was a continuation. So when I
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Speaker 2: was dressed through that process, I brought different modalities of reiki.
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Speaker 2: I actually went through the training process and became what's
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Speaker 2: it called a master Reeky Master. But my entire reason
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Speaker 2: for doing it was to perform reiki on myself and
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Speaker 2: help some of the symptoms that I was having. There
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Speaker 2: was a red flag here as well that were preventing
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Speaker 2: me from working to my fullest. Because if we didn't
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Speaker 2: I didn't work, we didn't need So I began that
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Speaker 2: reiki process slowly over the years, had a few treatments
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Speaker 2: myself where someone else was giving me that. But when
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Speaker 2: the tornado hit, I reached out almost immediately to one
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Speaker 2: of the local reiki practitioners. She had an associate. They
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Speaker 2: were very young compared to me, They were in their
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Speaker 2: twenties early twenties, but I found such insight from each
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Speaker 2: of them as I was going through. And then I
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Speaker 2: had a reiki shawman as well, who brought some of
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Speaker 2: the shamanic techniques of breath and sam pating was her specialty.
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Speaker 2: On The training that I had wasn't necessarily like that.
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Speaker 2: There is some of that, but it was My training
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Speaker 2: was more of bringing more light into the body and
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Speaker 2: finding those areas of dense energy. So it was a continuum.
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Speaker 2: It was the reiki, the hands of light, to the
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Speaker 2: reiki to the mindfulness and then onto the shamanic healing.
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Speaker 2: So anything else I can add about that.
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Speaker 1: No, that's a wonderful share. And I had the blessing
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Speaker 1: of the studying with and becoming friends with a wonderful
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Speaker 1: woman by the name of Raven Keys, who basically developed
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Speaker 1: medical reiki mastery, and she actually opened the doors to
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Speaker 1: hospitals here in New York for people to go in
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Speaker 1: and practice, and it was just a wonderful thing think about.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about in terms of
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Speaker 1: trying to bring king into the hospital that you were
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Speaker 1: affiliated with, but this only happened within the last few years,
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Speaker 1: so it's taken a long time to get traditional Western
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Speaker 1: medicine to accept these alternative modalities in the hospital setting.
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Speaker 2: That is correct. That is correct. It was twenty fourteen,
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Speaker 2: a little before that, twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely Grounded in Chaos is written in the form of
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Speaker 1: narrative poetry. What does that style mean to you?
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Speaker 2: I'm telling my story and a lot of times it's
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Speaker 2: not really rhyming poetry. It's as much short concepts the
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Speaker 2: way that I think and put it into these stories,
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Speaker 2: if you will. And to be honest, it started off
32:55
Speaker 2: as my journal. I had many of these short thoughts
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Speaker 2: that I was writing down that was helping me process emotions.
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Speaker 2: So as I was going through that, I actually wrote
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Speaker 2: Seven Mindful Questions before I wrote Grounded in Chaos. However,
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Speaker 2: when I sent some of the poetry to my editor,
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Speaker 2: because Seven Mindful Questions was already with the editor. Once
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Speaker 2: I sent those poems, she's like, this has got to
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Speaker 2: be published first, so I respected her opinion. She's a
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Speaker 2: several book author herself, so that's how Grounded in Chaos
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Speaker 2: was published first. But again, it wasn't meant to be
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Speaker 2: a book per se. It started off as being this
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Speaker 2: emotional journey where I began writing things down, and some
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Speaker 2: of the longer poems, like the one that has to
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Speaker 2: do with me walking on Glass, that one was just
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Speaker 2: for my own personal healing, recognizing where I had gone wrong.
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Speaker 2: Why did I continue to do things that were to
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Speaker 2: my detriment. So it was a lot of introspection at first,
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Speaker 2: But then, as I said, I felt that if there
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Speaker 2: are those out there who are also going through where
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Speaker 2: every single thing in their life could be going wrong
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Speaker 2: at the same time, then this book could potentially give
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Speaker 2: them some hope that they can experience some of that
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Speaker 2: raw emotion and by vicariously experiencing my emotion, they can
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Speaker 2: begin to process their own and then move on into
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Speaker 2: the phases that I went through to find that joy.
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Speaker 1: And do you recommend that folks going through that do
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Speaker 1: their own form of journaling.
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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's so therapeutic.
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Speaker 1: You also share backstories with some of your poetic chapters.
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Speaker 1: What do these add to the offering?
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Speaker 2: Well, the poems stand on their own, but having some
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Speaker 2: perspective of where I was at that point in time.
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Speaker 2: There's a word that I'm searching for, this I'm escaping,
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Speaker 2: but it gives you context, gives you some context into
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Speaker 2: my thought processes when I wrote that and when I
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Speaker 2: was experiencing those feelings.
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Speaker 1: And in those backstories, you're basically sharing a more grounded
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Speaker 1: form of what you experienced that you share in the poetry.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for that recognition. I appreciate that.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. One of your narrative homes is entitled Luminous and
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Speaker 1: I truly resonated with that. Would you share that with
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Speaker 1: our audience?
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Speaker 2: Yes, this is an award winning poem, So in the
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Speaker 2: second version, I tell you about how I received an
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Speaker 2: award from the Toastmasters group and when I read the
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Speaker 2: poem to my ex husband. He sort of did a
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Speaker 2: mia I'm not into poetry, but it was so profound
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Speaker 2: to me. So that was with other you know, clearly
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Speaker 2: disconnect on that part. But I was going to Wharton School.
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Speaker 2: My company was sending me there for advanced leadership training,
36:41
Speaker 2: and I was super excited about this opportunity. So I
36:45
Speaker 2: was on an American Airlines flight and I was going
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Speaker 2: from Wilmington, North Carolina, to Philadelphia, and being a virtually
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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania resident for fifty nine years of my life, I
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Speaker 2: had flown into Philly many times, so I sort of
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Speaker 2: knew what to expect along the way. But what happened
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Speaker 2: is what you're going to hear now, luminous. I flew
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Speaker 2: through a cloud today, immersed in the light of heaven,
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Speaker 2: white light above, below, and all around reflecting, immersed in
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Speaker 2: the light of heaven. Turbulence. Turbulence wakes me from the reverie.
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Speaker 2: The shaking proofs that it is not solid, an illusory
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Speaker 2: temporal experience of the light of the afterlife. And emerging
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Speaker 2: from a cloud, a city appeared, placed down on terra firma.
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Speaker 2: The destination is ahead. Billions of people scurrying around. What
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Speaker 2: if they were all suddenly mindful and looked up to
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Speaker 2: see the luminous light of heaven inside a cloud.
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Speaker 1: Beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing that with us.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. How does humor contribute to resilience and challenging circumstances.
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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, you've got to keep amusement because life is
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Speaker 2: too serious as it is. You know, you've got to
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Speaker 2: be able to laugh at yourself. You've got to be
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Speaker 2: able to crack a few jokes. You've got to be
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Speaker 2: able to take a few jokes, and by doing so,
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Speaker 2: it lifts the SyRI in it seriousness of what you're
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Speaker 2: going through to a higher vibration. Laughter is one of
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Speaker 2: the higher vibrations love and gratitude, or higher with gratitude
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Speaker 2: some of the aspects of it really keep you in
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Speaker 1: You have an offering called two sentence poem, and that's
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Speaker 1: an example of humor. Please share that one with.
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Speaker 2: Us, Okay, my two sentence poem. Honesty is like virginity.
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Speaker 1: Back on Box novis my guest this week, doctor Lisa Nozneski,
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Speaker 1: her book Grounded in Chaos, Leaning into Adversity, Learning Joy.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Lisa, I've been bringing through inspired poetry since I
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Speaker 1: was a kid. Do you see your writing and poetry
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Speaker 1: as inspired?
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Speaker 4: I do.
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Speaker 2: From the literal meaning of inspired, which means to breathe in. Yes,
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Speaker 2: it feels like I am breathing in these thoughts that
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Speaker 2: they may not actually be coming to me, but I'm
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Speaker 2: you know they're not my thoughts. They're coming to me
43:25
Speaker 2: per se because I have set my intention to sort
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Speaker 2: out some things and they come through in like Luminus
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Speaker 2: did in one complete pemn in minutes start to finish,
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Speaker 2: no editing, yep. So yes, I absolutely believe that.
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Speaker 1: Each chapter seems like it plants the seeds for a meditation.
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Speaker 1: Was this intentional?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's so much of who I am that I'm
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Speaker 2: sharing bits and pieces of who I am, and that
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Speaker 2: definitely includes meditation. So was it intentional? I'm not really
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Speaker 2: sure because, like I said, I'm telling my story and
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Speaker 2: it's part of me, so the sharing definitely, and I
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Speaker 2: wanted to make sure that I told people how much
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Speaker 2: it helped me.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Growded and Chaos, as you had mentioned, was actually
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Speaker 1: going to be your second book after Seven Mindful Questions.
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Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about seven Mindful Questions.
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Speaker 2: Well, Seven Mindful Questions was the methodology that I developed
44:47
Speaker 2: to help myself through those stressful times so that I
44:54
Speaker 2: could stay on task and continue to work. And it's
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Speaker 2: it's really quite straightforward, and it is the relatively simple.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's the ABC caause and breathe e CBA.
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Speaker 2: So becoming aware of what you're thinking in that moment
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Speaker 2: and what you're doing, and is there an underlying reason
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Speaker 2: for it called because? That's the second question has to
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Speaker 2: do with that, And then is what I'm doing right
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Speaker 2: now really necessary? You're working through a process, you're aware
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Speaker 2: of something, and then you're moving into why am I
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Speaker 2: doing this? So that's the because part of it, And
45:43
Speaker 2: then why do I care about this? That's the third
45:47
Speaker 2: question that sees the care So is this something that
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Speaker 2: I really need to be doing? You know, we can
45:54
Speaker 2: be productively procrastinating, like cleaning out the junk drawer, you know,
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Speaker 2: doing something that's not really that important. But the fourth
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Speaker 2: part where we pause and breathe and think about what
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Speaker 2: else you should be doing. That's where the breathing part
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Speaker 2: of it is the meditation part that allows something better
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Speaker 2: to come in and that's that gives you a better
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Speaker 2: perspective on what it is you really should be doing
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Speaker 2: in that moment, So then you can choose what is essential.
46:31
Speaker 2: You know, let's some of this junk drawer and other
46:33
Speaker 2: things that you're just killing time with, let them go
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Speaker 2: by the waistside and really begin to focus. And the
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Speaker 2: next is what can I do better, like why am
46:42
Speaker 2: I still doing this? And why have I done this
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Speaker 2: for so many times? What is the pattern behind this?
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Speaker 2: Where you know, choosing what's essential was the emotional heart
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Speaker 2: of the seven mindful questions, but moving on to what
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Speaker 2: you can do better is really the strategic decision making part,
47:02
Speaker 2: the change agent. And then finally, what is the best
47:06
Speaker 2: alternative for you at that point in time? So those
47:10
Speaker 2: are the seven questions, and that methodology was so instrumental
47:17
Speaker 2: for me keeping on tasks that I expanded it to
47:22
Speaker 2: include specific meditations for each of those seven questions. And
47:28
Speaker 2: I do have a workbook as well. The book was
47:32
Speaker 2: designed to stand on its own, but of course it's
47:37
Speaker 2: a companion workbook, so you can read one or the other,
47:41
Speaker 2: but using them both together. If you really know that
47:45
Speaker 2: you've hit that line in the sand where you're lying
47:48
Speaker 2: on the emergency room scourney and you know things have
47:52
Speaker 2: to change, that's where seven mindful questions came in. So
47:56
Speaker 2: they sort of go hand in hand with you know,
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Speaker 2: I got to keep working, I got to stay on task.
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Speaker 2: My head's kind of a mess at the moment. But
48:03
Speaker 2: then I began writing the poetry to get that emotion
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Speaker 2: out of my body. So it was basically a two
48:11
Speaker 2: pronged healing using both of those approaches.
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Speaker 1: How many people learn to embrace change instead of fearing it.
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Speaker 2: That's a great question. I love that, And I'm going
48:26
Speaker 2: to tell my story of the manhole. So a guy
48:32
Speaker 2: is walking down the street, he's got his phone in
48:35
Speaker 2: his face, and boom, he falls down into a manhole.
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Speaker 2: So the construction workers are all laughing at him. They
48:42
Speaker 2: go and they pull him out of the manhole, and
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Speaker 2: he's so embarrassed that he just keeps going right back
48:48
Speaker 2: to the phone. The next day he's walking down the
48:51
Speaker 2: same street and he falls in the manhole again, and
48:57
Speaker 2: the construction workers are just howling that this is so funny. He's,
49:03
Speaker 2: you know, fell in twice. You know, these wall street
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Speaker 2: guys can walk down the street, but they you know,
49:09
Speaker 2: fall in hole. So, you know, again he's embarrassed. So
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Speaker 2: the third day he walks down, he still has his
49:18
Speaker 2: phone in front of him. He gets to the hole,
49:22
Speaker 2: he feels himself moving forward, but he did one of
49:24
Speaker 2: those catches steps and moved back real quickly. And the
49:29
Speaker 2: guys are going, hey, buddy, you'll finally start to learn,
49:33
Speaker 2: and still giving him the what for. And by the
49:38
Speaker 2: fourth day he decides he's going to put his phone away,
49:42
Speaker 2: and he finds himself walking around the hole. And by
49:48
Speaker 2: the fifth day he decides he's going to walk down
49:52
Speaker 2: the opposite side of the street. So this is how
49:56
Speaker 2: change happens in our life. We start off repeating the
50:01
Speaker 2: same mistake, but making incremental changes as we go along
50:06
Speaker 2: until you make the final change where that situation cannot
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Speaker 2: happen again. So you need to give yourself grace through
50:15
Speaker 2: that process where you're going to repeat the mistake, but
50:20
Speaker 2: you keep that strong intention that you're not going to
50:24
Speaker 2: and eventually your behavior meets your intention. So give yourself
50:31
Speaker 2: some grace as you go through the change process.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful, Thank you. You've been quoted as saying health doesn't
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Speaker 1: always come from medicine, it comes from laughter and love.
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Speaker 1: How may we fill that prescription?
50:49
Speaker 2: Well, you don't go to the regular pharmacy for that,
50:52
Speaker 2: because they're pretty serious. People find something that you really enjoy,
50:57
Speaker 2: that you really love spending time with loved ones. I
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Speaker 2: have the great honor of having three grandchildren, and those
51:08
Speaker 2: three grandkids are such a delight. I'll call my son
51:14
Speaker 2: and he's driving them to school and you're here in
51:19
Speaker 2: the backseat, Grandma. They're all excited to talk to me.
51:24
Speaker 2: So it's wonderful. They live back in Pittsburgh. I live here.
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Speaker 2: My grandson lives in Tucson, so you know, it's great
51:33
Speaker 2: to build that relationship even though it's a long distance relationship.
51:38
Speaker 2: So that's the key to the love in my life.
51:41
Speaker 2: I also met a wonderful marine who ex marine who
51:49
Speaker 2: is my now husband, and we just laugh at things
51:54
Speaker 2: all the time. He's got a great sense of humor
51:58
Speaker 2: even when I'm having some really various days and I've
52:01
Speaker 2: made some more mistakes in the last year that I
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Speaker 2: hate to admit, but I'm working on them and he's
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Speaker 2: behind me. I feel that positive energy of his support.
52:12
Speaker 2: So having support people in your in your life. I
52:17
Speaker 2: have a great friend, Pam, who lives in Akron, Ohio.
52:21
Speaker 2: We were taking a class from the group in Boulder
52:24
Speaker 2: and I said to her, you're from Pittsburgh, aren't you.
52:29
Speaker 2: She said, how did you know? I said, well, I
52:31
Speaker 2: know Pittsburgh. He's just as well as anyone else. So
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Speaker 2: I picked it out on just what she was saying,
52:38
Speaker 2: and we became fast friends from that, and so, you know,
52:42
Speaker 2: building a new life, which is essentially what I did
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Speaker 2: once I left North Carolina. You know, I brought people
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Speaker 2: into my life that we share common interest and we
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Speaker 2: can support each other through the good and the bad times.
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Speaker 2: And it just it's like I've level up in so
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Speaker 2: many ways. But leading from your heart, you know, the
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Speaker 2: Shamanic training is heart centered. It was called moonaiqi, which
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Speaker 2: means from the heart in the Cara language of Peru.
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Speaker 2: And I'm finding living my life from the heart is
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Speaker 2: really what feels that prescription for me absolutely.
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Speaker 1: What message would you like your readers to take away
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Speaker 1: from Grounded in Chaos?
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Speaker 2: Okay? One of the main messages is that, you know,
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Speaker 2: I really felt alone through the process, and I want
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Speaker 2: to make sure that people know that you are never alone,
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Speaker 2: and even though you may be in a space where
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Speaker 2: there are no other physical beings in your space. For me,
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Speaker 2: it was my dog that was always with me through
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Speaker 2: those early phases. But I had I do still, I
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Speaker 2: have a deep spirituality that I felt, you know, when
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Speaker 2: I was so confused, I felt that phrase that the
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Speaker 2: Holy Spirit can speak to you for you when you
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Speaker 2: don't have the words, can pray for you when you
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Speaker 2: don't have the words, So just be comfortable by knowing
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Speaker 2: that you are supported in invisible ways by the Holy
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Speaker 2: Spirit or your spirit guides. Your guardian angel can be
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Speaker 2: one of those where you have beings that want to
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Speaker 2: help you that are on the other side. So tuning
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Speaker 2: into that spiritual foundation is really a key to help
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Speaker 2: you get through whatever it is that you're going through
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Speaker 2: in your life.
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Speaker 1: The Wisdom of doctor Lisa Neznski her book Grounded in Chaos,
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Speaker 1: Leaning Into Adversity, Learning Joy, Doctor Lisa, one more time,
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Speaker 1: please share with our listeners with it and get your
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Speaker 2: My website is my name Www. Lisa nez Neski spelled
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Speaker 2: well the typical way he'd spell Lisa l Isa, and
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Speaker 2: nes Nesky is spelled November echo Zulu November Echo Samuel
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Speaker 2: including free meditations. I have a YouTube site with all
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Speaker 1: Doctor Lisa, thank you so much for joining us and
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Speaker 1: sharing this experience and this wonderful wisdom.
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me Victor, and.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on Vox Novus. I'm Victor,
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