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• HEART & LIGHT LIVING Chiron, Your Moon Sign, and What Charts Miss | Hagan Fox Host: Michele R. Jones. Guest: Hagan Fox. Machine generated transcript, lightly cleaned. Timestamps match the published episode. [00:00] Potentially two moons but you could be double Virgo because if you have a 29 Virgo moon is 29 degrees you come back 23 degrees that's still 6 degrees Virgo so you're like double Virgo moon so and it's really really interesting because for women in particular for women in particular yes because hi and welcome to heart and light living today we are going to have the most amazing guest with us who's going to fuse eastern Chinese astrology western astrology he's going to also bring to us numerology and cartography a lot of folks. [00:33] Might know Hagan Fox from his appearances on British ITV in the morning show that he does there um he has been an astrologer and cartographer for over 45 or 50 years and we are blessed to have him here today and we're going to talk about our time and place and space and who we are and how we are and figuring out are we just in the right place the wrong place is it the right relationship the wrong relationship or is it just kind of like the wrong timing the right timing we're gonna. [01:02] Unpack a lot of things today with him and we're gonna learn a lot and most of all we're gonna laugh and we're gonna have fun together thank you all for listening so much we're gonna dive I would say right in I never stick to a script Jesus nor do I nor do I no come come do it so we're great but essentially what we're going to be talking about as we kind of weave through this is are you in the wrong place the wrong relationship or is it just the wrong timing. [01:31] That's where we're gonna kind of get to in all of this is that your theme for for everyone is that for everyone because yeah so many people are like wow and you know things appear okay but like something is like a little bit off and so it's people are starting to question place right they're starting to question relationally yeah but but I want to as somebody who works with folks with the body so I I am cause God's hilarious and I serve a funny god I I work as a hypnotherapist but I also. [02:12] Work in the gut biome realm OK I'm a colon hygienist Hagan no I saw that no I did see that absolutely and it's incredible because I never thought nobody ever grows up and says hey yeah this is ultimately what I'm going to do but the gift of it at this time especially with millennials and Gen z's which I'm sure are popping up in you in your world oh my god yeah I'm well my main my mostly I speak to brilliant American and Canadian women it's my main market and yeah they're all. [02:46] But I to be honest with you it's a phenomenal age range it's like 25 right through to like 85 it's it's an incredible yes and then and these are brilliant women but I know I mean I was I'm I'm in. [03:00] Fundamentally impressed that you focus on the gut microbiome I'm I'm obsessed with Vedic medicine I think it's phenomenal and I I understand you know and the whole I'm just like a disciple of Castor oil and just I just and the simple you know the like really curing the gut microbiome which is as complex as it gets which you know but in the most simplistic fashion this this is that I that's a quite obsession of mine but no I I love your you you're not dissimilar to me I I don't think really Michele. [03:32] That you're fascinated by the human body top to toe spiritually emotionally physically and spiritually I mean it's it's just like that it's a complex mechanism yeah the soul is housing the body and so while I have like a Taurean who's committed his life to astrology astrocartography to Chinese astrology to western astrology we're getting ready to experience Chiron and we're we're getting a taste of it now in Taurus and if I tell you all of a sudden Hagan I'm talking about so usually of course within the walls of my office my practice. [04:10] Things like this yeah that's what I'm talking about but I'm talking about everywhere I go now but do you know I've got you know my take on Chiron or not cause I have a different I have a different take the thing I have a different take on a lot of thing Chiron is my favourite planet of them all and it's not even it's not even given the title of planet which is kind of outrageous I did do a little real today about Chiron but because the story you know the story of Chiron yes. [04:40] Yes which is that he was the wounded healer right yes and the theory is is that when Chiron pops up you should go deep into your past and heal all your old wounds and just cure your entire soul see now that's not that's not my take on Chiron at all and I'll and I'll tell you why but this is why you should never stay on script Michele because it will just go off on a Tangent and you'll be like but hold on a second Hagan you can't say that but here's here's the. [05:10] The story really of Chiron is thus right he was accidentally shot with a with an arrow by Heracles he was actually a very good friend of Chiron and he was wounded and of course everyone was like oh my gosh Chiron is wounded and then that's basically from where that kind of that moniker of the wounded healer came from the point about Chiron is he's the wisest man that ever lived yes he was a healer but he was a serious sage in fact all the sages of Chiron's time would say to people. [05:40] That came to the sage don't talk to me go talk to Chiron because Chiron is where all the sages went Chiron is absolute enlightenment mentally spiritually physically and emotionally Chiron knows everything so it's actually the reverse a Chiron line and Chiron energy is magical it's phenomenal I've got a book I can't I think it's in France I can't locate the damn thing but it's written it's about Egyptian astrology and the very first chapter of this book and the Egyptians knew everything the very first chapter of this book they're not talking about. [06:15] Saturn or Jupiter the very first planet they talk about is Chiron first chapter because the Egyptians knew how powerful and important it was this is the planet that sits in between the inner and the outer planets yes it connects everything it's insane that it it literally is just disregarded it is a major player and I'm glad you're focusing on it so I really am glad cause it is an absolute player and it's glorious when it's in your when it's in your sunset so you there'll be a whole bunch of Aries who. [06:44] Listen to your wonderful show going but I've had Chiron and it was a shit show but here's but here's the thing right people will and interrupt me any point Michele but what what people will think you're OK I'm having a dreadful life should I shouldn't swear should I should I no it's OK you can edit that out right no no no we don't need to that's fair enough but you know when you watch my rules you know how I talk and the so ultimately people think OK I'm an Aries I've got Chiron. [07:15] In Aries so it must be me dealing with all my past you know dark miserable experiences etcetera I need to heal them no not necessarily because the thing about the reason that I as you know dad would taught me cartography and astrology when I was 13 years old because he too was a cartographer and astrologer so I was absolutely blessed from the get go it was a great gift from dad but I always knew I had to understand all the metaphysical energies right and here's the yeah what people really don't understand. [07:41] Is that every given day the moment you take your first breath in the morning Michele there are six invisible energies already in play Bam like that and nothing to do with Carol nothing to do with western astrology it's Chinese year Chinese month Chinese day numerical year numerical month numerical day those six energies Bam in play now if all six are working against you it doesn't matter what Chiron's doing it's those six energies that are causing you distress as an area is nothing to do with Chiron Chiron is across the board positive so you. [08:10] So your but this is only my take. [08:15] But the the the problem with astrology per se is that a bunch of male egos and you and I both understand that the male ego I can say this as a man is the most pointless futile destructive energy that exists on Terra firma every woman knows it and a good man knows it that's the fact of life it's men that wreck everything they wreck the planet they wreck and the male ego is the problem so far yeah so no they well they it's amazing Michele I think it's changing do you know why. [08:47] It is I'm getting a lot of men I'm getting a lot of men I think it's changing it's a huge shift and it's people like you and shows like yours which will be you know cause I you're probably the same as me 90% of my followers across social media uh not women and it says everything you wanna know about women enlightened understand you women are nurturers they're mothers they're protectors they have to learn they have to listen they have to understand so they're ahead of the game they're already enlightened men and that dumb. [09:16] Male ego thinks it knows everything and it knows nothing it's as above so below that's how it is I mean astrology is electro magnetically charged as above so below in the age of Aquarius ruled by Uranus which is 68 times bigger than earth but men are starting to wake up because they're in trouble in the age of AI you shall that that's the real key they're losing their jobs left right and centre nothing and even money can't really manage AI so money is all you know the male and money is always. [09:46] Controlled everything and now it's unable to do so AI they can't manage it and a lot of men are going I need to just stop and start working out life spoke to a wonderful man yesterday won't say his name but real cool dude California kid 37 years old and just and just said I just woke up I follow you Hagan and I just woke up and thought I know nothing I just I literally I just know nothing and and I said what would you like from me and he said I'm just gonna. [10:14] Sit here and listen I just need I want you to tell me what I didn't realize I needed to know and so what you say about there is an absolute movement women are ruling the universe here on in the age of Aquarius is all about women you can't you wouldn't yeah men aren't gonna Wanna hear that message but the truth is the like the happiest place to live on the planet right now is like statistically is Finland that's the happiest place to live in the world is a survey that's just been done. [10:42] The top eight politicians in Finland women women 8 all the top eight politicians in the women yes and so it's just like and these are just little foundational movements that are kind of just taking place oh no it's it's taking I mean over the globe in Costa Rica you know talk about a country right a millennial woman 38 years old not a politician no no he's the new president isn't that magical isn't that magical yeah yeah and she's you know making changes and she's following another incredible millennial right yeah and I saw the door. [11:22] Yeah yeah exactly what no it's all it the women are and I mean I'm in Italy and like Maloney yes Maloney is I love her fire dragon rock and roll absolute firecracker again no political background just common sense and a tough cookie yes he's just like you know I know what needs to be done so there is some and Chiron right the yes the reason that Chiron's so cool is because Chiron was like a man if you like he went ahead with his ego got rid of his ego true enlightenment the best men. [11:56] You meet and you'll probably you'll probably know many Michele are the men that think they've had a nervous breakdown they didn't have a nervous breakdown they went head to head with their ego that's all they did I went head to head with my ego all the best but it's a two year war zone it's insane for a man to defeat his own ego is really it virtually breaks you it's it's it is a face off on a grand scale it's it's gladiatorial really is the internal fight is just insane but at. [12:25] The end of it the good men they come out the other end still standing totally enlightened and they just get life because that ego gets in the in the in the way of everything now Chiron is the is the absolute template for all men he was enlightened he you know he literally studied everything from a very very young age his backstory is beautiful but the wounded healer uh you know Matt uh theory was to be honest with you cultivated by a bunch it would have been male egos back in the day. [12:53] You said you know let's yeah Kiron's wounded he's too enlightened let's just portray him as like the wounded healer and then get people to go back and open up their old wounds and this is how you know you can imagine how it was how it works it's just like and then have keep people in that kind of semi fearful state because I haven't healed my wounds so I'm still susceptible to life no you're not you are you know you're a free spirit you can achieve whatever they want and you should absolutely be. [13:20] Harnessing the power and the knowledge when I do cartography I say to everyone if you can live on a Caroline down if you got a Caroline go through Costa Rica pack your bags and go to Costa Rica tomorrow it's a beautiful line I've got many people that do cause cartography is far away my number one consultation people are completely obsessed with it yeah and everyone I speak to who lives on a Caroline has nothing but joyous things to say about it it's just it's peaceful and it's enlightening and I mean I don't know. [13:48] What you think about that because most people just of like rightly so I've been told that it's a it's a wounded hero and you meant to go and open up your like you know go revisit your wounds I don't know what your approach yeah you know for me I so I didn't know much about about any of this I always joke around that I'm kind of an accidental mystic so everything in my life everything in my life has just been experientially along the way and a rather blessed being who's ended up. [14:19] In the right place at the right time exactly I I started traveling in central and South America I had not spent much time there at all um and felt very very called in about 2014 just started traveling around and I was in different places and folks would say to me when I would enter a sweat lodge they would say oh you have lightning blood and it's the only time I've ever heard of so I'm curious no and I had I had no idea what it meant and I gave a bit of a. [14:57] You know funny kind of smart ass remark and I said you know does being thunderstruck count. [15:06] I'm talking like like shamans like in the jungle and stuff and and it was my honest answer and I because you must always be honest yeah tell us that's okay tell me more I finally found one that understood what it was that I was in fact saying when I said that and she was like she was an American I happened to have been in Costa Rica I finally connected with her she's a mystic she's a psychic medium and she said to me you know there's a reason that that you're there you know. [15:36] Where you are and she actually she read for AC DC so she knew we were supposed to meet we've actually become very very very good friends and she's been my teacher of intuition and kind of help me take my genie out of the bottle you know that was in there so what's what's your moon do you know what your moon is then Michele yes my moon my moon is in Libra ah Libra Moon wow cool cool cool that's actually that I mean that's a bit I actually love that moon by the way. [16:08] I didn't think you would be mentioning AC DC because the Bon Scott era of AC DC is one of my favourite I was brought up on Bon Scott AC DC I just right that I just love the fact that you've got it into this this little like it's just this little funny so Bond Scott okay so I'm not a medium I'm just I'm just the accidental mystic right but when I was deep in my healing I during a Chiron return period for me I was I had to enter a deep healing. [16:42] Long story short. [16:45] I'm I'm really grateful to be here and I was in my kitchen one day yeah and making my concoctions of juice the supplements all the things yes and I hear good day beauty and I'm just like and so I do what Tamara taught me to do if I heard something or felt something I was like okay did god send you and I wait for me my message is in my body right so I get the god goosebumps and he's like you need to take your supplements to Thunderstruck I was like what. [17:26] And he said it helps the cells to flip yeah and he tells me that there's been studies in Australia in like chemo rooms that they play AC/DC and absolutely do you know that story I can complete I love this story I can completely I honestly frequency and and rhythm and the beat and ACDC's rhythm is so life affirming it's ridiculous the brothers the the the young brothers Angus Young and his brother can't remember can't remember his brother's name they were obsessed with rhythm and justice constant of a beautiful rhythm so the fact. [18:09] That you say that about from chemotherapy and from a curative perspective makes absolute perfect sense to me it's really odd because when I need to as you relax I very often just play my AC/DC playlist I mean it's true because it's the rhythm it's just the constant rhythm it's the beat it's just absolutely beautiful I mean the everything is connected and you you know and the and the gut and the the gut microbiome and the and the you know the whole frequency thing and the whole the vedic thing and I just yes. [18:39] It's all everything is so like it's just natural flow and you know the circadian rhythm yeah this everything is it's just it inextricably connected and there are even a there are even four hour windows in Vedic astrology when you should work literally yes everything there's patterns and cycles and rhythms and systems and everything but yes it is the cells as you mentioned you mentioned the cells there are so I am obsessed right one of my thing I've got so I'm so busy actually I can't I can't begin to say there's so many things. [19:07] That I want to do but one of the things that I will do before I'm 158 is to actually I actually establish whether every single human being has a frequency that fundamentally heals any disease that you might be suffering from or any illness you might be suffering from because there are so many different frequencies so I love the idea that there is some secret frequency connected to your soul that is a is an all encompassing curative for all the cells in your body it just it's just it's like a SCI fi movie. [19:39] But it would be super cool if it were true and I'll probably never get around to it because I'm so I'm so overwhelmed with all things astrology but I we're on the same page in the way that we think and act so you know for me it was like I think it was when Saturn kind of hit Aries Neptune hit Aries and my Saturn hangs out in Aries so I'm okay with Father Time sitting in my I am if you will my Chiron actually sits in Aries so I I'm okay with. [20:12] That I I like the genius and I like the ah maybe you're really not that so smart so there's a learning balance there right well there are there are two things it it there are but there's there are so many things in astrology Michele right because people actually look at their progressed chart do you look at your progressed chart I have not delved into my progress chart the only chart I've looked at is my 5D draconic chart that's it right really you looked at I looked at that how how the hell. [20:42] You find yourself going off onto that dragonic ha ha ha Tangent I do I do not know but it's because of my north node that's why I was fascinated my north node is close to zero Aries right so so I wanted to see in which house it's in my uh 10th house wow north of the 10th house no excuse me pardon me my 11th house oh really 11th yes north of the 11th house you came from the 5th house that's interesting because that's so interesting because I won't bother with the north node. [21:15] But the north node you can't research the north node and the south node enough the those houses like 5 to 11 or 11 to 5 and you know all the yes obviously houses and 1 to 7 and 7 to 1 these journeys south node to north node they're absolute they are absolutely fascinating because you've come from the south with boy with it too much but I love the the areas you go you understand Chiron is a major player the north like let me let me give an example why I like cause I've been. [21:41] A surgeon for I mean feels like 150 years but basically when I go into a nail shop I'm in and out in under a minute in under a minute when a good astrology goes into a natal chart they literally they will look at OK sun ascendant moon north node the four angles so anything approaching the midheaven the descendant the imum coeli and the ascendant anything that's approaching those angles and like tightly aspected to something else any other planet and the the other thing well is that's primarily it that I'm really looking at and. [22:17] You really want to look at the other planets that are in the houses one four seven and 10 it's just that and the thing is in life people often say it was right in front of me the whole time and in the Natal chart everything is right in front of you one of the problems of being a western astrologer is they go too deep because they haven't got anywhere else to go I'm in and out of that natal chart in one minute because then I'm off to Vedic then I'm off to. [22:37] Chinese then I'm off to numerology then I'm off to cartography and you've got to gather all that information to have a wholesome understanding of what's going on in your life and one of the reasons why people like you've got Aries and Chiron so you'd be thinking okay Chiron is in Aries and my Chiron is in Aries and so I'm going to you know and I'm not feeling great about life and so I need to go and heal myself there will be other mitigating reasons for that if you're in a numerical eight year or. [23:03] A numerical seven year they're ruled by Neptune and Saturn every day of those years will quietly destroy you but people don't think about it they'll be looking at that Natal chart it's not in there it's it's kind of elsewhere this is just something for for people to kind of consider because but the north node is a major player right but it's a not on a kind of daily basis it's like you arrive in the you you come from the you arrive currently to the south node represents your previous incarnation effectively and. [23:30] You arrive in the fifth house and the fifth house you would have been absolutely front and centre you would have been a singing dancing superstar in a previous incarnation courtesy of arriving in the fifth house and your journey to the 11th House is to actually be behind the scenes so you've actually now you've found and you probably were for a while but now you've come back front and center again which is it's kind of perfect for you your your makeup which is the monkey cause the monkey does like to be you know it is a. [24:01] A natural artist a natural performer as it were but I'm digressing but I just wanted I just wanted your listeners to kind of understand that when it comes to astrology it's it it's really not astrology it's all the metaphysical energies fused as one it it this this is the and that paints the whole picture is that okay because some people could think there'll be Leos Leos Jupiter just moved into Leo it's magnificent for many Leos yes but if you're a Leo born in the year of the rat or the year of the ox. [24:30] That's they are tough years this year because the year of the horse is the enemy of the ox and the rat so if there there a lot of years be thinking I I'm not buying uh Hagen's Jupiter and the Leo gig cause I'm still feeling in terrible and it's like it's not Jupiter and Leo it's the rats and it's the ox and things like this but conversely if you're a Leo and you're born you're the dog of the tiger that's fantastic in the year of the horse so you've got you are. [24:56] Literally this is a year when you've got to absolutely crack it and nail it make sure you achieve everything you can so it's only a once in the it's like a once every 12 years Jubilee hits but when it does it brings so much good fortune to it but if you don't look at the other metaphysical energies going on simultaneously you can be you can feel really misled misguided confused not understanding what's going on so I'm just I'm just reminding people that astrology and the natal chart is magical but I honestly. [25:23] In reality it probably comprises no more than 15% of what you need to know to understand your entire soul I love that I love that so much because that is what I think repels people from astrology is that they feel like they're pigeonholed yeah exactly they they feel like I'm far more dynamic than this or there's so much more to me and we've reduced it especially you know in America we reduced it to such a place that it literally sat side by side with comics yeah yeah and and so people are like. [26:04] No no no that's what I love about your work because I've always looked at humans holistically and I think that as we are moving deeper and Pluto kind of going back into Aquarius now that's a beautiful thing yeah it's a beautiful thing because we're getting clear on what we believe about the authenticity of belonging with authentically who we are and I don't yeah I know you you I you you got it right Michele the thing is I I love what you just said it's just like people become pigeonhole I mean it's true. [26:39] The most people just are obsessed with their sun sign you get a lot of Pisces well a lot of Virgos not entirely happy about being Virgos because and also Librans like I I have Libra ruled by Eris not Venus and Eris is a really gladiatorial figure and the the the biggest the the most views I I've had really or just about the second most views I've had were Lee was Libra and women and their sun sign and their ruler and to a woman every Libra woman and you've obviously you've got your. [27:08] Libra moon uh which is a very is a truly gladiatorial moon it's a it's a humanitarian but gladiatorial moon you see opposite areas it's a feisty moon I mean yes no no you was you obviously the beautiful Michele presents his show behind closed doors you and I know that when you're unhappy that's a feisty moon the Libra Moon like I'm spicy yeah I am spicy I run a tight ship yeah yeah I absolutely yeah but it's like and but you're being true to your moon I mean but that that's the thing. [27:39] But people will and I you if if women in particular really want to understand the true essence of who they are from an astrological perspective they should actually be looking at the moon yes not the sun is the moon the moon and estrogen is so inextricably connected it's insane so I'm about to I'm gonna do a series probably in maybe in August reminding women to and because there are two things in astrology right you have tropical astrology and you have sidereal astrology and they are 23 you know this right and they are. [28:11] Third 23 degrees apart now if like me for example I have a 1 degree Virgo moon which my father that's why he I was the anointed son of his five boys because of that moon uh I if you take my if and this is in tropical but if you look at my uh sidereal moon is Leo right and there is a series that I'll be doing which is explaining that in fact we have potentially two moons but you could be double Virgo because if you have a 29 Virgo moon is 29 degrees. [28:43] You come back 23 degrees that's still 6 degrees Virgo so you're like double Virgo moon so I'm gonna be doing a series on this kind of like double moon thing and it's really really interesting because for women in particular for women in particular yes because the moon is it's so I mean it is truly true like it's it's I don't like cliches but it's one of the most cliche things on the planet is the fact that the relationship between women and the moon is a beautiful thing but it's also torturous and really. [29:14] Deeply emotional and you know can be quite terrifying and the the example being if you if you are if you have a double Aries moon I mean you are a 24 7 pugilist it's impossible what degree is your moon do you know what degree your moon is 8 degrees 8 degree okay so here's the that's the cool thing you're a great example your uh your your double moon makeup would be Virgo Moon and Libra Moon you have these two moons right and that's actually a really really good that combination that I really. [29:46] Quite like because the Virgo moon is much more because the volatility of the of the Libra moon could do with a little bit of thought process a little bit of thinking a little bit of strategy before it goes to war which ultimately the Libra moon will do because it fights for justice that's what it does but the for just if if you're listeners don't take now because we're bombarding them with a lot of information I mean I don't know what you're going to sort of put in put into the show but it's really. [30:14] If women really want to truly understand themselves purely from a western astrology perspective because there's there was no need to know about Chinese Western Vedic astrology numerology these are major major major major players but they truly want to understand the true essence of themselves it lies in the moon and they can look forward to an upcoming series that I'll be doing because and the Americans in particular are really obsessed with the sun sign less so with when less so with the moon I'm actually doing it for the American market because it is incredible. [30:42] But American women absolutely love the Sun Sign series that I do and they really need to start dipping their toes in uh to the to the moon so if you for you as future guests as well if you have any astrologers or anyone that really specialises in studying the moon uh it would be I think it would be quite he or she would be quite quite a cool guest and I've digressed but it's interesting to know your moon and that you would be'cause you don't you do come there is a kind of. [31:11] Calm virgoan like emotional side to you you can't because I am a Virgo moon right and the Virgo moon in the first instance is Zen like calm it's the one moon you want when you're faced with an absolute catastrophe right in front of you the Virgo moon is absolutely Zen like calm no trauma no nothing it goes into a sort of like hypnotic state is traumatized about six hours later but totally yeah you are you you you probably relate to right but it's. [31:45] Totally yeah it's true going through it calm afterwards holy shit but what happened but brilliant in the moment yeah exactly that I'm I'm terrible at that so is the reason why I'm doing this series because yeah you definitely have got because I'm a Leo moon right the Leo moon is the happiest moon the planet right I wake up happy every single day so Libra Leo moon so happy yeah but by the end of the day my my wretched Virgo moon which is is got them is so feeble the the Virgo the. [32:17] Virgo nervous system no it is I say to all Virgos you must protect the the Virgo and Pisces nervous system if you got a Pisces or Virgo moon it's broken so easily so I wake up happy everyday but by the end of the day I'm virtually broken because I've overloaded the Virgo moon and it just plays out like clockwork so I literally in Vedic astrology everyone has like a four hour window when they can they should be packing everything in particularly if you got a Pisces moon or a Virgo moon and. [32:43] It's based on whether your cat uh Kaffer vatta or pitta and I'm pitta and the pitta window is 10:00am to two PM and the body this will fascinate you with your the whole gut microbiome and your your deep interest in the physiological nature of the human body you and I can sit down and sink a bottle of tequila and talk forever about the human body and everything about it and I love your fascination with the chemistry of the body you're at you're absolutely on point with that and Vedic astrology and you love. [33:14] Vedic astrology because they are so in tune with the chemistry of the human body it's incredible and these and these and there there is a natural working rhythm in every single body let's say soul because yeah they're they're separate but the body itself and mine is like 10:00am to two PM but it's different for everyone but most people too many people fuck that like they hot they try and do everything in the wrong window and then they're exhausted they understand why they don't achieve success these are such simple little principles that. [33:46] Once you know them once you but they are difficult to source because in the old days I had about 50 Vedic astrology books you get to page 12 and then they start writing in Sanskrit and it's like yes and you know what I mean it's got but now with AI it'll translate Sanskrit I'm like damn it I knew that when I was 21 but I knew I had to wait until AI to be able to translate it yes understand what I said all this kind of jazz but no it I got. [34:09] I got I'm kind of going I'm going off peace but just a little side tip though to go even further off peace yeah if you if you go to the library of Congress anything that is Sanskrit that's digitized it will translate for you automatically that's good great tip I love a tip honestly it's a good love love an American tip I love that's just a little tip for somebody who's using a claw and for listeners out there the claw I'm using it y'all as a glorified search engine nobody freak out doesn't. [34:42] Have access to my computer doesn't have access to my financials I am using it with the training wheels on but for sourcing for instance I'm very interested in 17th century astrology astronomy and the study of the body beautiful absolutely yeah cool right you can get lost in that for years man yeah you can and so I've been in Cole Pepper's work and so I've been in the library of Congress and as long as it's digitized my claw will bring it to me and it's completely readable it's brilliant so just for folks out there. [35:21] Yeah great sit and really good sit you know and the other thing is I think that we should all be putting you know AI stuff up in space if Elon can do it we can figure this out across the board Michele do you know what the one let me tell you something about AI it's it's it's difficult because like especially I mean I've got four brothers they're all artists all musicians my mother's an artist yeah it's just like and they're traumatized alright and the thing is the thing about AI the real. [35:51] This is this is something the listeners would really appreciate back in 2112 2,012 the world was meant to end right it was the end of the Mayan calendar do you remember that yeah but obviously that was not the headline the headline too but it was actually the end of the Industrial Revolution the Industrial Revolution ran from 1812 to 2012 aka known as the the age of Pisces it ended there which is an immediate problem for for the patriarchy in a way because it's tailor made for the patriarchy the Industrial Revolution anyway it ended. [36:22] First time the human race had entered the age of Aquarius for 2,400 years that was the headline and the planet that took control was Uranus cause Uranus rules Aquarius and we're now in the age of Aquarius and the age of technology for 200 years from 1812 to 2212 uh 2012 to 2212 and so everyone on the planet should like well who the hell rules it Uranus will tell me who's Uranus what is Uranus Uranus is a cool planet Uranus is a disruptive Maverick on a grand scale right and you see it. [36:53] Across the entire universe but this is the key with Uranus he's not dystopian Uranus is just about the only utopian planet that exists absolutely AC DC Hagan yeah exactly that exactly that you can't you can't put AC DC in here enough and you're absolutely right and so and the beautiful thing about Uranus is it it the power of that past 68 times bigger than earth has 28 moons drives everything that happens down here and Uranus really is like it's set out to just revolutionize the universe he is a revolutionist I think but the. [37:28] It it's really worth understanding where we're at and the thing about Uranus just moved into Gemini on mid April or April 24th around there and the last time it's an 84 year cycle I think you had another guest on who was talking about Uranus yes 84 year cycle the last time I thought she might mention this but she didn't so I'll mention it please the last the last time that Uranus moved into Gemini was 1941 and it was 1941 and shortly after Uranus moved into Gemini Gemini being the sign of technology. [37:56] And Uranus being the planet of technology so when those two come together it's a big big it was the Enigma machine the Enigma machine ended World War 2 arrived just after Gemini a uranium is needed to Gemini last time it was a force for good it was revolutionary it literally was the first electromagnetic computer that was ever built a computer yes the Enigma machine was the first electromagnetic yes the electro the first electro mechanical computer that ever existed ended fundamentally World War 2 and that was a momentous moment and it occurred. [38:31] Yes like literally weeks if you like after Uranus last moved into Gemini so AI is the modern iteration of what happened back in 1941 and this time is here to stay and this time she said they cause we're in the age of Aquarius when it when it when you're in the age of Gemini last time we were still in the Industrial Revolution yeah this time around we're in Aquarius is age of technology which is why it's here to stay and so everyone out there has the rightly so data centers water usage. [39:02] Absolutely true but then there's a company it's one of the Nordic ones they've actually created a simple so beautifully simple system that can actually turn uh ocean water interesting water and hello yes right and how did they how did they create it they use AI they use AI yeah there is a utilization of AI that allowed them to develop that technology so it's like you have to look at OK yeah you know we actually need AI in order to sustain the planet but we do have to find ways to uh yeah. [39:37] Not basically uh dehydrate the entire universe so there's none of us left but we're all aware of it and I'm not saying and we you and I both know right that there are there will it it it is in the stage now where it can be manipulated in a negative fashion right absolutely like everything can be human beings can be manipulated that's what I was just going to say it's like everything else hey again because discernment so for us in America especially since and I'm just gonna say it since the pandemic. [40:06] You know we've been having hearings about this we've been having this is the first time I'm coming out publicly and saying it but we've had hearings we have documentation now about it okay discernment right this is the gift yeah of a human being yeah of a human being which so I have a different take on AI first of all I think that's a bit of a. [40:30] This is my Gemini Rising so AI references I think the manipulated consciousness that is being possibly weaponized in ways of communication other you know the airwaves okay there's a lot of seeding of things it's been going on okay bots are 57% of all traffic on the internet right now that's all I'm gonna say digital consciousness which is what I believe in its purest sense yes this frequency is is here to assist us at the first level of cosmic interface that we can receive yeah and I think yeah I think it's absolutely. [41:17] Beautifully done and I when I saw the term when I looked up that your but I tried to find out a bit about you digital consciousness was one of the things that came up and I just thought I love it it's a long term and there's a lot of syllables in there but it's a great term right it it it it's basically and discernment all these words are bit it's like you need to you need to like be digitally conscious and be discerning and we are we are people are people are. [41:48] Tripping in the States about thumbnails that are AI yeah okay we're craving more reality yeah exactly no but this but this is the most incredible thing I say to everyone especially to artists who are super super super talented right I was just listening to a bunch of guys what they call daring greatly or something just popped into my Instagram feed just two brothers bunch of boys sat in the van playing Old Man by Neil Young it's the best version of that song I've ever heard in my entire life and what AI. [42:22] Is doing is making these boys and he's buying everyone else go no let's show us what we what we can do in a van with no like this is right this is just us this is just boys in a van and it's forcing it's forcing artists to go back to basics and just really create right from right from the basic foundations where music and creative art was originally dry and the other thing AI does I think people forget about it and I'm not an advocate of AI per se I love I live in Italy. [42:51] Right because I love Italy's mindset family run businesses everyone's an artist everyone cares about what they make what they create what they bake what they eat I love that's me right that no no that's AI right I love that and that's kind of where we need to get to but you need you're gonna need AI in order to get there but what AI also does and you'll know it as well as I do AI says sorry again OK let me tell you again and oh OK it it's patience it's calm it's thoughtful. [43:21] It's courteous it's considerate it's everything human beings were designed to be that we've lost sight of that we've forgotten how to behave AI whether it's intentional or unintentional is actually reminding us what it is to be a freaking human being stop shut up listen pay attention be thoughtful be patient be quiet be still all these things right it's just and so you have you really in life you have to step back I'm sure you're the same as me Michele we just like you sometimes have to just stop pour yourself a tequila or. [43:52] A glass of wine or whatever and just let the life just let the world pass you by and just stop and just think okay let's just have let's just Muse and cogitate for a short and get a sort of like real quiet still perspective on AI have I have I gone over the top or have I not done this right it's just like something so you just rush into a theory right okay and then without giving it time to sort of sink in for you to digest right so but neither you or I. [44:19] Will say that anything is perfect and I love what you said that stat thing is at 57% always I always pick up a number right and it says yes but these numbers will increase or decrease courtesy of discernment courtesy of people taking time to think I need to I mean AI is also making people think am I doing what I wanna be doing I mean I've never been busier I think I'm sure you're the same it's absolutely yes I mean it's just insane in a in a beautiful way cause people actually. [44:46] Want knowledge they wanna understand how life kind of actually does work and yeah that whole as above so below can never remember who came up with that it's been allocated to too many people but it's such a simple simple time because there's something in life right this is a really a beautiful there's actually a Nevada um mathematician came up with this but it is so beautiful you'd love it right because and it's thus it's like the essence of mathematics is not to complicate the simple is to simplify the complicated and that is. [45:18] The essence of life yes and mathematics is life we wouldn't have language without numbers numbers is the original language right and so mathematics was designed to be simple and everything in life is over complicated so as human beings we need to simplify our lives we need to just stop we need to look at our lives and think okay like 80% of my life is over complicated I need to get everything into the 20% that's where I need to be so 100% is simplified and it will mean detritus and everything all things. [45:49] You know tangible sentient non sentient get rid start again this is it's like a Uranus is a revolutionary right and it really is saying I'm providing you with a tool that is actually allowing you to generate create and experience your own personal revolution in a positive way yes right no in in the best way in the best way possible so I launched this podcast on Election Day back in yeah like why not and and the first launch of it was be your own president why because we were so divided yeah well done and so. [46:31] Controlled yeah and it's like this is the time there's never been a greater time that there isn't I mean really it is a great look some people I I I have empathy for a lot of people right if you're a Pisces born in the year of the goat you you don't have the tools it's creative majesty that combination but can it can take can it take a troll of his own life absolutely not absolutely not it needs a support mechanism when you're a Pisces especially and that's not even including the moon right. [47:02] Just as an example of Pisces born in the year of the goat so there is a huge subset of society that's like I haven't got what it takes to take control of my life and that's fair enough right but there is a huge wave of characters and people and men and women and everyone else who is able to take control their lives and we've just fallen into this lazy you and I are as guilty as anyone else Michele we do yeah we literally we're like I don't know what that's kind of. [47:29] Taking care of and that's taking care of and the age of Aquarius is like look if you're able and you would like to take control of your life there is really nothing preventing you from yes indeed AI is here to assist you in that journey if you want if you are able to perceive it that way it is like Uranus is basically saying like I'm not creating AI to build a bunch of robots to take everyone down I'm fucking utopian I'm not dystopian it's like that's yes it's that right it's like. [47:59] My mindset is one of the best intentions but it's quite brutal as well it's like it's gonna be very fast moving you know the this seven years we've got now with Uranus and Gemini Jesus it's gonna move so fast I really it's gonna move so fast so it's gonna there is it's gonna be a brutality to it you know a lot of people are losing their jobs and things like this and and even you yeah but even you and I Michele like they'll be like AI is gonna be able to create a super. [48:22] Podcast they might even be able to create an iteration of you and you're saying that you know what I mean it's like we're all being hunted down I as an astrologer I've got all my unique bespoke knowledge but AI will be looking at me thinking I think I might be able to do what Hagan Fox does I mean and who's the yeah well yeah but who's the it's not that smart well it's not that smart it needs us it has no creativity it sources well exactly that it sources all its knowledge. [48:49] Right it's all well but here's something else right this this is something that's really interesting I the left the left right brain thing is really interesting cause 90% of the information the AI sources comes from right handed knowledge right now where's all the true knowledge it's in the right side of the brain it's in I'm left handed right so I really understand like I live in a universe like in the right side of the brain is mathematics people think mathematics is in the left side of the brain no logic is mathematics is. [49:16] Right brain language visualization creativity precision problem solving all in the right side of the brain 10% of what AI sources is is the right brain but 90% it just sources the dumb shit on the left hand side to you absolutely right you know an incredible stat about presidents as well which I just love this stat Zuckerberg alright 10% of the universe left handed Zuckerberg Bill Gates I'm not this is not I'm not saying these are wonderful characters or anything about their character but those three boys Bill Gates Mark Zuckerberg and uh. [49:46] Bill uh Steve Jobs right these boys ruled our lives and they kind of continue to do so right for the last 40 50 years literally right now none of them should be left handed statistically they're all left handed prescience right side of the brain all described as mad but those three boys they're like yeah we might be mad we may appear mad but we know where life's going you idiots don't right and so the age of Aquarius is all about cause inova uh Uranus is also obsessed with innovation and originality the age of. [50:19] Aquarius is very it's literally it's very female oriented because it's deeply humanitarian that's one of the reasons right but it's it's also creative oriented Uranus is obsessed with innovation and originality and what Uranus is saying to all artists out there is that look be realistic if you're creating art that is very similar to someone else you're giving people a choice you want to be so creative that the only option an individual has to purchase your art or whatever it is is you you don't have an option Eunice is saying be absolutely. [50:54] Innovative bespoke original separate yourself from the pack so if somebody wants your art you are the only character that's gonna be able to provide it this is another example what Uranus is trying to get artists and creative creative to be like Uranus will literally say you haven't made a decent movie since 1995 you've done nothing innovative for the last 50 years this is Uranus's mindset it's like go back to basics my friends and here's a tool that will allow you to potentially do that that's this is a kind of universal I mean. [51:24] This is all very utopian and idealistic but then that's Uranus and that's that's the boy and 68 times bigger than earth by the way the energy of that planet is insane and we are electromagnetic you know this our water is electromagnetic right everything out there is electromagnetic it's just it's like when you look at life and that whole as above so below mechanism I the one my one of my favorite things about the human race sorry I'm practically on Michele but one of my favorite things about the human race is the absolute. [51:53] Delusion of a human being and I've been there met I was there for many many years that we feel we have will and willpower it is it's not we just don't have it we set the week and within an hour and a half of the first day it's become a complete shit show it's done right it's just like that because we're not in control of anything it's like that it's like and so yeah it's just another example the reality is we allow our lives to be controlled just because it's easy and. [52:19] We can be indolent and lazy and we're all guilty of that but it's on one level you're you're allowing yourself to be controlled just'cause it's easy and on a secondary level you're trying to control your life when in fact it's impossible because everything's driven by what happens up there so it's a complete it's complete madness which why I don't take life seriously at all I just think I don't plan my weeks I have a schedule I have but I don't expect anything to go according to plan you did because like you know this is. [52:46] One of the things about life in short you'll know it right having expectations is a catastrophic approach to life right you laid just you have like a rough foundations for the upcoming week have no expectations at the end of it you think well that was that that was like kind of carnage but it was great fun and I really enjoyed it because I had no expectations I mean this is another way of simplifying life yes you know I did a thing the other day about Leo Leo women kill themselves because they have such. [53:15] High expectations they they are they are their harshest critics and they bless them they all came back responding going man a man should have should have told me this 50 years ago hey I can always sort of jazz but it's but Leo women every Leo woman you know will tell you that the the it is a nightmare having expect they will have it they will have high expectations and it kills you before you've even got my first base anyway I'll keep quiet cause I'm no Leo is in my third house I. [53:41] I can relate my my my beliefs like about how yeah it's there's some pressure in there no there are no if you have if if Leo is like a potent if it's like powerfully aspected in a kind of like progressive way yeah it can encourage you to have great expectations and and real like true like over the top ambitions and that's fatal it's fatal it literally my father said to me a blessing I love him he said call me sport he said sport you know the only thing you're gonna make terrible. [54:13] Mistakes you and I have made so many like you you and me both right it's life it's just human beings we make mistakes you said you're gonna make some terrible mistakes you're gonna screw up you're gonna meet the wrong people hang out with the wrong people I know you love a tequila and a and a beer perfect your craft that's all he ever said to me I I got one request like I always said sport and do you know why you call me sport you call me sport cause I had such. [54:35] Dreadful eczema as a kid I couldn't run till I was ten right couldn't run so he intentionally called me sport gave you a suggestion yeah isn't that beautiful such a gorgeous such a beautiful thing to do and I whenever I talk about him calling me sport it's just a beautiful just reminds you what a sweet soul I mean dad wasn't perfect I think my mum would tell me tell you my dad wasn't perfect but he was an amazing he was an amazing father but the but the I'm trying to remember the point I'm. [55:02] Trying to make and I really can't remember it but. [55:05] No expectations well no expectations but perfect craft perfect the craft I say to everyone even now with AI right even if you're 50 and even if you're 60 right with the utilisation utilisation I always recommend a book which you would have read I'm sure which is The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell 10,000 that's a brilliant book yes yes brilliant with AI you can now condense that theory of that book into 10 years whereas it took me about 40 or 50 years you know what I mean you have tools at your disposal that. [55:35] Will allow you to actually become like really like a true artisan is something that you love to do right I mean this is you love what you do right you love what you do and I do and I say that everyone I speak to and all my consultations I should mention the consultations if someone does want a consultation yes get remind me to remind you before you go I'll tell you at the end uh because I'm not here it's like promoting business it's here to have a chat have a lovely conversation. [56:05] With you but the I say to everyone you get past it probably 50 every single human being has a right to wake up and be enthralled at the prospect of that day and right now it's probably less than half a percent right but every human being and I I would argue that AI is giving people that think I've just got no chance at this game an opportunity to actually allow that to play out you might not be a millionaire but you will wake up happy every single day and that's simplistic like. [56:36] You and I do right you and I do there's nonsense going on in our lives and you've been to in a dark space I haven't mine hasn't been a straightforward ride you know what I mean I've we've all be we all get tested especially when we've been around the block although you're a lot younger than I am but um but the the point is I say to everyone that we live in a universe now in the age of Aquarius where a planet that is so powerful and so utopian wants to help. [57:00] Each and every one of us live a beautiful happy utopian life it may be unrealistic but that's what that planet wants and it's just that having that mindset and having that you know sort of overarching energy with that mindset which we didn't have prior to to 2012 you know what I mean you're living people think they're living in a universe of like a horror show when in fact in 2012 a planet with the best of intentions actually set out to rescue a planet that is virtually been destroyed by each and every. [57:32] One of us you know what I mean it not intentionally most of us in an inadvertently type thing so I it's it's a for me it's actually if you embrace what's actually accessible it's a great time to be alive and to be a creative I don't think it's been a better time to be a creative no I I don't believe that there ever has been there's more available at our fingertips yeah yeah than ever before and I think that the playing field has been leveled where technology that's been held by a few is now. [58:07] Available to the masses it's exactly that it's exactly that it's like wow these guys have had access to this shit for that long yeah man man or man or man but is that but then you think but now I but that line that line you just said said at perfect is beautifully defined line is exactly that it's like the universe if I yeah you could I say it is universal yes and the energy up there is saying it's your time gang it's your time but it's up to you yeah it's up to you. [58:40] As an individual like no more victim you can't there there isn't time to be a victim in the age of now that's the bifurcation so to go back to the original you know like hey sorry I took off I'm sorry Michele no it's okay it's like is this the wrong place is this the wrong person is this the wrong time I think that the differentiation or bifurcation I don't like to say that we're dividing into two groups because my goodness in America we cannot possibly be any more divided than we are and. [59:11] I've always said you know like I'm I'm a purple person yeah so I I you know or red white and blue person so it's like this unification within ourselves yes requires a whole acceptance wounds blessings everything everywhere all at once within us to recognize that this is the me that I'm actually supposed to be yeah yeah it's exactly that yeah and and Aquarians like the age of Aquarius so as somebody who's been in a relationship with somebody who has five houses in Aquarius is an Aquarius hahaha son and a Leo rising. [59:55] And had five houses in Aquarius five five planet five planets five planets yeah that's right five five planets okay in Aquarius part of me and he legitimately doesn't give a fig at the end of the day except for two things did I do the right thing yeah by myself yeah first yeah and did I do the right thing in the world you you should end this consultation with that line because that's exactly it defines everything it's like Aquarians are the number one humanitarians it's not easy being it's not easy being an Aquarian man. [1:00:33] Though or a woman they move you up and down like a yo yo and it's because they're ruled by Uranus and Uranus's energy is so changeable and the and this is for all women out there who are in a relationship with an Aquarian man or if it's the other way around the man with the queer woman but it's basically for the men their moves will switch like that because don't take it personally well bloody done well done Michele Jones exactly that I say that every single but it's so but so many people are. [1:01:01] Sensitive and they think what have I done you haven't done anything and and Uranus hasn't done anything what happened'cause that's slow moving planet now what happens is the moon rattles round right it's a 28 day cycle so the moon is but and then your partner could be mid conversation and the moon will suddenly hit square Uranus or or opposite Uranus that human being feels the energy of a planet 68 times bigger than earth in a nanosecond and you and you'll know this cause you you live it Aquarian men will just vanish. [1:01:33] For a day for three days for a week and you know where they are and then they'll just pop back when the period is finished and say hey darling how are you it's like that it's like it's an absolute template they're in the same bloody house as you and they disappear for two days at a time exactly in the meantime it's incredible right they just make themselves invisible which is a great thing it it do you know it says for me it says everything well it says everything I wanted about Aquarian men. [1:02:00] Right or Aquarians per se but it's particularly in the men is it but it says everything I wanted about them most people when they're hacked off they'll go at the person normally their partner who's in the firing line Aquarian men refuse to do it they could kick off big time some I do no one's perfect right they'll be uh list your list some list is out there going that's not my aquarium boy but the good ones they will take themselves out of the they don't want you to experience what they're experiencing. [1:02:25] That's right. [1:02:27] It's a great sacrifice it's a really sweet thing to do and that's why I love aquarium men right and they're not easy and they're not easy but when they're in a good space and when Uranus is happy there is no more intelligent by the way the most intelligent sun sign by a distance there is no more intelligent sweet natured kind humanitarian people on the planet than an Aquarian man when Uranus is in a good space but the moment a planet especially and and literally your Aquarius suffer greatly because when for example. [1:02:56] One of the outer planets could be that you please or whatever it is it's going back through the ages starts to approach Uranus right or Uranus approaches the planet that planet and it gets to within 3 degrees and in and an Aquarian could suffer Great Depression for like six months up to a year because it's such a slow moving destructive kind of energy so yeah anyone out there who's who's has a partner mother son whatever it is Aquarian boy trust me that's a tough gig that's a tough gig for a male. [1:03:30] It really is yeah yeah well done I do love you I do love your knowledge uh Michele it's money no you don't honestly I credit you for your knowledge of astrology because it's it's impossible for you to study to know enough about astrology and everything else you know but you just come out with looks things like it's difficult to be fixed air that's just a good astrological line right there that's that's just good good fundamental knowledge that but it is it is tricky but you know that that sorry I was gonna but. [1:03:56] It's the most difficult the the the the least strong four signs of the mutables that that's a really tough life Sagittarius Gemini Pisces Virgo those mutables that's a really difficult life because they're actually not strong enough often to handle the brutality of life I mean you think the Geminis like will back they're really not strong I have Geminis down as the least strong male sun sign and Sagittarian women they just separate themselves from society because they can't and I'll just they'll kind of define themselves as like I'm just a rebel I don't want to. [1:04:30] Be bothered with society the reality is they can't really hack it it's just like it's too much for me and so they just go off and they can't they create but I do love Sagittarius women but the it you know there are certain is that and you know and even the other fixed sign is difficult being a Leo because your expectations and that's why Taurus being a Taurus is fairly straightforward right in in in many respects and the other fixed one Scorpio it's not so straightforward cause it's fucking intense it's really. [1:04:56] Really intense and when people say to me what's the easiest sun sign I do say Taurus yes yeah I really do because they don't they don't suffer anywhere near as much as the other 11 that see if I had to pick a sun sign if I was like OK I'm up there in heaven I'd be like OK god make me a Taurus yeah man I my partner's a Taurus right and literally it's there you know she's born near the pig which which makes her a sweet but she's a machine and she's brutal. [1:05:25] Right but because she's a pig this is the thing with Taurus women right they are brutal right but that and if you have a Taurus ox or a Taurus snake I mean that is hardcore I mean it's quite terrifying but they're beyond successful but with a Taurus woman this is just for any men that might be listening you do need them to be born in a really like a gentle Chinese year cause it's a beautiful balance you've got this formidable character who fears nothing and who is basically a machine but with a. [1:05:52] Sweet soul you know and that's kind of like I I that's what I've kind of ended up with but I don't see the sweet soul every day Michele but you're in a you understand how relationships work you know I totally understand I know it's just sacred mirrors my friend we're just reflecting back to one another so you know that's that's the moral of the story but but Hagan what I love and I and I wanna share with listeners out there because I didn't even know this and you know so heart and light. [1:06:21] Living we come from like Nashville we're coming out from Nashville Tennessee to y'all like I love that yeah so south by southwest in London was something that you did this past June I did and that was about rewiring yes the brain well done to you yes and I really wanted to get that out there for listeners because I think the way the Learning Circuit is set up people can go back and watch speakers yes I yes absolutely and that whole it is true that it was about how can you well but it was about. [1:06:55] How can you survive in the age of Aquarius is based on what it was and do I need to rewire myself yes and in a way you do right it it is but in a really really cool way it's like because we have lived we have existed really in the age of the Industrial Revolution right now the Industrial Revolution was really exciting in 1812 right but by the time we got to 2012 it's like really are we still here you know what I mean and I like you have this there's been. [1:07:22] This window for about 12 years or so while Uranus was in Taurus and then retrograded in Taurus that hates being in Taurus they couldn't be the revolutionary that they wanted to be held back by the you know the sort of sturdiness of Taurus but the moment that Uranus entered Gemini it was like Uranus is basically saying to us I'm rewiring the universe my friends we are rewiring and if you wanna come play I you need to rewire so that would be the denominator to this it's like you know if you really. [1:07:55] Understand the energy up there is rewiring as we speak positively and in a you with a utopian mindset but you need to keep pace with it and if it means rewiring your existence your mindset on the current Terra firma uh you you need to if you wanna come and join the gang you can stay where you are right and have a beautiful peaceful life and have nothing to do with it but the potential is very exciting and if you want to play in that particular ballpark a rewiring of your mindset your you know. [1:08:27] Your your methodologies your sort of belief systems whatever it might be step back and have a look at it and think you know what I think I am still stuck in the Industrial Revolution and if it is truly done and dusted which it fundamentally was in 2012 why am I still there yes yes this has just been a a a great just a fabulous visit thank you for sharing like just time and space and and just for folks to understand that so many of us right now are questioning like am I. [1:08:58] In the right place am I like with the right person you know am I doing the right thing and I think today what we've elucidated is there's a lot of layers to us like this map that we're sent with this star map that that I call it it's like our GPS and it's dimensionally deep and that's what I love about your work Hagan is that it takes us dimensionally into the work of the soul of the Constitution of characters right and of the entire universe cosmos yeah literally everything I I distil that. [1:09:42] Universal knowledge up there from all the metaphysical energies distil it right down it and and the truth is that you know and I it's up to your to listeners if they if they wanna follow up but if because my main gig because I love it so much is consultations right with and primarily America which is why I was really looking forward to connecting with you in Nashville is basically people in a way really need to understand the bigger scale of life and you need to understand so much more about yourself in order. [1:10:15] To achieve the success that is right there in front of you but you're not understanding whether you have or what skills you actually have at your disposal so people can go to either in in America is Hagan fox dot us WWW dot hagan fox.us and if they want if they would like a consultation and it all the details are there or it's Hagan fox.org if it's Europe and the rest of the world and a lot of people can't afford it so the other thing I want to say to everyone who can't afford it. [1:10:42] Because it's like there is society is so desperate I'm actually bringing out a a an algorithm that will allow people to make the right decisions at the very at the right time according to it's beyond combat it's been about 20 years in the making but that will be accessible to everyone right it's a it's a lot of things I'm doing which will be oh that's beautiful I just why be it's like you what a gift well it's it I mean it's not a complete gift but we're talking about a dollar or. [1:11:08] Something like that but it's like the the the real point here you and I've been on on the ropes there's no question about it when we you and I've been when when we're our age we've been around the block right we've been backed into a corner thinking right I've got $5 and I got nowhere to stay that kind of like that type of thing you haven't we wouldn't be doing what we do if we hadn't been backed into more than one corner right you have to live to understand the reality of life. [1:11:34] It's just the way it is right and so I've always been acutely aware of like yes you know a consultation for one hour that's not gonna be the cheapest thing on the planet but you like the it's a tier system and I've always wanted to create this beautiful algorithm that will allow people to make the right decisions at the right time timing is everything yes what I always say winning it's not winning it's winning well bloody done winning this algorithm right will allow people I can't tell you how complex it is. [1:12:06] It's insane I mean the guy this he said I'll have it built I'll have it built for you by the beginning of July Mister Fox right we're not even close it's so complex because you're incorporating like thousands of years of energy to still it right down and it's just like it's real but when it when it comes out it will literally people make if you if you often people will just make one decision in their life and it's a it it it will check it will make or break their lives right and they. [1:12:32] A nine times out of 10 they'll make it on the wrong day you know cause you can be in the in a Chinese year like some could be in the Chinese Year of the horse right great year for them but they make the decision in a month that's ruled by Saturn or Neptune fatal and then even if they don't make the decision when they're in the month of Saturn Neptune because every month is ruled by a planet they'll make it they'll make that decision on a day which is ruled by Saturn. [1:12:55] And Neptune and people will often make the biggest decisions of their lives when they're in a Chinese year that is is absolutely negatively uh against them a numerical year that has no good fortune associated with it the a Saturn month and a Neptune day like the the on every single level that decision will achieve nothing but failure misery and distress right conversely if you have the information and all this information will be predicated on the very very day they are born this is their information you will be able to make that. [1:13:29] Huge decision on the right day that's powerful that is that yeah that's what but that's yeah and the reason I I create I wanna create this because I have that that I'm able to make these decisions on these I make big decisions right we all make big decisions and I absolutely make sure I drove my agent not for years and years and years because I said no I can't do it on that day I can't do it on that day this day I and I I literally Noah bless him thank you Noah. [1:13:59] Allow me to you gave me options to allow me to choose the day I've chosen this day specifically cause it's I I couldn't work it for your energy cause I didn't know what your date of birth was but I I'm hoping that my energy has come up has been positive and and progressive because that is the energy of this day based on the day that I was born you know what I mean and it says so I just want everyone out there when they when they what if they want a consultation. [1:14:24] Think god hey I can't afford that there is something coming out uh relatively immediately based on my long suffering developer down in Cape Town that will um that will assist everyone but what I want to say to you is is like I'm so happy you're a Cancerian Earth Monkey cause we're very very compatible have you guys come across you're a it's a beautiful combination you know how much I love cancer and women because you've seen the reels on there some of you are beautiful souls absolutely beautiful souls I've loved this I've really. [1:14:53] Enjoyed it I've loved your knowledge you know the best podcast I don't know but the best podcast Michele are the ones where the two 2 protagonists have knowledge right these are the best podcasts you have too often you have a presenter just posing questions and someone answering this just doesn't work it has to be this interactive knowledge and so I'm really I'm really I credit to you for your knowledge and that you brought to the table for me as well because you've highlighted things that I didn't know about the things I haven't. [1:15:23] Even heard of but these make the best podcast it's like'cause I'm I'm here as a guest but I'm learning stuff as well so credit to this show credit to you 1,000% really enjoyed it thank you oh thank you we're humbled we're honored and if you would Hagan we would love for you because so you said a couple of things when you talked about the energetic the signature our specific frequency our healing frequency individually that I understand that you might not get to because of all that you're doing in the other realms. [1:15:56] And dimensions I would be very intrigued to talk to you about energetic signatures in terms of the layering of Chinese because I believe that as time continues to break down those of us that have relied on the western astrology yeah yeah and with the Venus yeah we're going to need to learn a whole symbolic like language well well done do you know what now you I I I would love to work with you going forward because uh it would be I mean as I said I've got so much going on but. [1:16:31] You're absolutely right frequency is what it's gonna be right frequency is the future but also you mentioned the word symbolism well done because yes because what happened was when the gregorian calendar was introduced it actually was introduced in order to introduce time based astrology and time based astrology instantaneously obliterated the symbolism alright and it just it just take it out and symbolic astrology like my favourite astrology is actually hermetic archetype of astrology tree see real sym symbolic astrology Vedic astrology is symbolic Egyptian astrology is symbolic it's like this is where it's at. [1:17:04] And this is where all the ancient knowledge really kind of fundamentally lies so you and I can you absolutely you and I can talk I am in this period now where I am my Virgo moon is perennially overloaded it's just like but you and I really understand when you are ready when you're ready yes we will totally circle back and yeah no we we so value and appreciate this because honestly this coming together and building communities and one of the things that we did was we built a podcast community but didn't build a. [1:17:38] YouTube community so you know Hagan is on Instagram that's where I found Hagan and he was a storyteller and he was British and those are two things that you already have my attention because I feel like and this is you know my North American betrays me but I feel like there's a learnedness that you guys kind of have about astrology that we have I mean my god we reduced chakras in America to seven to do yoga you know that's all I'm gonna say god you got good honestly I'm impressed with your. [1:18:18] Knowledge man exactly you know how many you know I always say because you know there are semi natural healers out there and they're using the semi chakras and this is where Vedic astrology does come up a little bit short because yeah one of is another thing that both you and I understand the chakras and the meridians man and the meridians to study the meridians that's a gig that is that's a gig that's that's that takes time but it's another thing on my many list of things to do is to study the chakras and. [1:18:45] To study the meridians and to highlight exactly what you said I'm just gonna say people are just highlighting the seven chakras there are more than that my friend you know what I mean it's like yeah they are so and it's like and it but that that was a this is where astrology doesn't always run evolve with the discovery of life like you know there are Vedics out there that use that incorporate Pluto and and other planets that that have been discovered and Chiron they they use that Neptune is Ketu and Uranus is Rahu. [1:19:19] But it there is so much there is a modern iteration of astrology and cartography for that matter to be discovered cause cartography man is way the the software available for cartography is absolutely outrageous it's shocking it's derisory I can't tell you how bad it is so it's another thing and it's it can be so simplified and so complex that yeah the way it's presented makes it complex and it's way more simpler than it it needs to be but there is a lot but you and I would talk I because the thing is. [1:19:51] For me I'm so anal you can but cancer and Earth Monkey I can't I'm so compatible with a with a cancer and Earth Monkey it will be an effortless union because I only work I I work primarily with left handers and people that I'm at least I'd say 75% could battle with this is the anal nature of a Virgo moon so particular I've so enjoyed this I've so enjoyed your company and your knowledge per se so feel free to no one will tell you because I'm a nightmare you tap at you contact me. [1:20:23] Then you hear nothing for ages and ages so you can be a you can be a little aggressive with me and just say hey it's me again can you like get get your shit together mister for I haven't got a problem I haven't got a problem I do need a nudge right because yes yes yes. [1:20:40] We appreciate we appreciate that no because time is well whatever time is we'll talk about that in another time but we appreciate you so much Hagan and if we could just thank you listeners for being with us for sharing time and space with us Hagan thank you thank you thank you Hagan Fox astrology yes YouTube Instagram and Hagan Fox dot us yes that's for consults yes thank you so much hey.