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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 6-4-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

• 0:29
  Speaker 1: Have a Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: Yay, yayay, everybody, Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show. Happy
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: to be with you once again. Gordy is going to
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  Speaker 2: be with us for an hour today. I always look
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: forward to our in person visits Gordy hanging out, and
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: of course today he'll be helping us break down Game
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  Speaker 2: one of the NBA Finals, back and forth affair, very intense,
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  Speaker 2: incredible game last night. Ultimately one bump bump by the
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  Speaker 2: New York Knickerbockers lost to unpack from that thing. George
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  Speaker 2: Sodano of ESPN also going to join us on the
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  Speaker 2: show that'll be in the one o'clock hour. And of
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  Speaker 2: course we've got some updates on all things in the
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  Speaker 2: college football world, in the NHL world, Little Roland Garros update.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps there's something that we have to at least mention,
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  Speaker 2: all right, last night, some gen z moron ran onto
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  Speaker 2: the basketball court during an NBA Finals game in the
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  Speaker 2: run of play, not in a timeout, not during a
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  Speaker 2: TV timeout, not while the players were heading into halftime,
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  Speaker 2: not during shoot around. This was like six minutes left
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  Speaker 2: in the game, and some kid with one of those
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  Speaker 2: weird perma haircuts and a hoodie on runs onto the
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  Speaker 2: court to try to get a selfie with Victor Wibinyama,
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  Speaker 2: and he's taking video the whole time. And I guess
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  Speaker 2: because his video was out there on the Internet, maybe
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  Speaker 2: he got what he was looking for from it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad his name is not out there.
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully he gets no notoriety from this, no run, no popularity,
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  Speaker 2: no anything from this.
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  Speaker 3: It's moronic.
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  Speaker 2: It's offensive to every other sports fan in the world,
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  Speaker 2: and I think more importantly, it is dangerous as a precedent. Look,
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  Speaker 2: it's not like we have not seen streakers, we have
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  Speaker 2: not seen people interrupting play in games. Before the World
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  Speaker 2: Cup is coming, you'll probably see some protest of some
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  Speaker 2: sort to see some streaker, some drunk idiot whatever.
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  Speaker 3: This is an NBA Finals game.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is one of seven of the most
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  Speaker 2: important games of the season. And it's not like this
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  Speaker 2: was a lull in the action. Thankfully, it was sort
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  Speaker 2: of as the Spurs were bringing the ball across half
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  Speaker 2: court and nothing overly consequential was happening in the game.
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  Speaker 2: I can confidently say that if the the game was
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  Speaker 2: on the line, if there were you know, fifteen seconds
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  Speaker 2: left and somebody's trying to dial in the last second shot.
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  Speaker 2: It seems like this idiot would have done the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: And I try not to be one that overreacts to
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  Speaker 2: stuff that is just like kids being kids, or you know, like,
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  Speaker 2: you're not going to see me be the one who
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  Speaker 2: aggressively shames the rushing of a field or the rushing
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  Speaker 2: of a court after a victory or something. The fan experience,
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  Speaker 2: I think is an important one in sports, and athletes,
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  Speaker 2: for the most part, do a good job of remembering that.
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  Speaker 2: Athletes in the NBA, I think, are in a really
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  Speaker 2: unique situation where there is literally no barrier between them
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  Speaker 2: and the fan base. In the NFL, it's a minimal barrier, right,
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  Speaker 2: you just got to hop over the railing or something
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  Speaker 2: like that. Security got to this kid relatively quickly. The
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  Speaker 2: reason that it matters, and the reason that I want
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  Speaker 2: to react to it but not overreact to it, is
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  Speaker 2: because leagues have to promise players that they're going to
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  Speaker 2: avoid this kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Leagues have to be able to say the players.
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  Speaker 2: The NBA, which I think has the best relationship with
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  Speaker 2: its players, between ownership, front office, league office, and players,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like the NBA has got the best relationship
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  Speaker 2: with you know, the the actual players.
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  Speaker 3: Seems like that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have any scientific evidence to support that, but
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  Speaker 2: that is my general sense eight seven seven three five
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  Speaker 2: three zero seven hundred. If you disagree with me. It
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  Speaker 2: seems like the Adam Silver office and the league office
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  Speaker 2: and the owners have a less combative relationship with their
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  Speaker 2: employees than most professional sports leagues do. And this will
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  Speaker 2: not change that unless it becomes something that you know,
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  Speaker 2: kids want to continue doing, if there's some kind of
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  Speaker 2: payoff for this young idiot and somebody else wants to
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  Speaker 2: pull the copycat crime. If you're a Victor webben Yama,
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  Speaker 2: I cannot imagine. The kid looks like he's probably about
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  Speaker 2: Wemby's age. I cannot imagine how frustrating it is to
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  Speaker 2: not ever be able to blend in anywhere. Right. He
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  Speaker 2: is always gonna stand out everywhere he goes. He can
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  Speaker 2: never be anonymous. I mean, even if he put on
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  Speaker 2: sunglasses a mask, Everyone's like, wait a second, that slender
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  Speaker 2: man profile and that the tone of skin poking out
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  Speaker 2: from under the wrist of that hoodie is that Victor
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  Speaker 2: wen Binyama, and people are gonna want to go get selfies.
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  Speaker 2: They're gonna want to go get pictures. They're gonna want
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  Speaker 2: to go talk to him. We had Victor wen Binyama.
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  Speaker 2: We had a PFL event in Paris. There's a very
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  Speaker 2: famous he's only famous in France. His name is Cedric Doombee.
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  Speaker 2: He was a world champion kickboxer. He's got a very
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  Speaker 2: strong social media presence. He's a bit of a French
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  Speaker 2: Jake Paul kind of a situation, although instead of being
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  Speaker 2: famous first and then getting into combat sports, he became
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  Speaker 2: famous for combat sports. But he's an excellent trash talker.
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  Speaker 2: He's a creative guy and he's a huge star over there.
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  Speaker 2: And he signed with the PFL and we had him
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  Speaker 2: fighting in Paris, sold out show and Tony Parker came
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  Speaker 2: to see him. Killian and Bape came to see him.
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  Speaker 2: A bunch of guys from PSG were front row. They
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  Speaker 2: had flown back from a match that day, and Victor
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  Speaker 2: Webbanyama was in the stance. He was in the front
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  Speaker 2: row actually with like this was two three years ago. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Victor Webbinyama is there to watch these fights and our
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  Speaker 2: PR team, our social media team went over to him
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  Speaker 2: was just like hey, would you want to come be
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  Speaker 2: part of an on camera interview? Would you want to
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  Speaker 2: go talk to In that case, it was me and
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  Speaker 2: a guy named Stefan Struve, who anyone who knows the
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  Speaker 2: fight world. Stephan Struve is also seven feet tall, so
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  Speaker 2: that at least would have given Webbanyama someone he could
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  Speaker 2: kind of look in the eye. And I named Dan Hardy, right,
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  Speaker 2: who's still my broadcast partner. Do you want to go
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  Speaker 2: talk to these guys on camera? And Victor Webmbanyama said,
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  Speaker 2: oh no thanks, I would rather just just hang out
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  Speaker 2: with my friends and watch and two funny things here.
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  Speaker 2: The friends were other nineteen twenty year old kids that
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  Speaker 2: looked like nineteen twenty year old kids. It's Victor Webbinyama
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  Speaker 2: hanging out with French dudes that are his age. So
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  Speaker 2: it's like looking into the muss and seeing people of
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  Speaker 2: that age cohort. But then there's Victor Webbanyama And I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting to my point here, I promise, I know, I
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  Speaker 2: get long winded with these things. He was trying so
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  Speaker 2: hard to not have to take pictures and sign autographs,
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  Speaker 2: and he just wanted to enjoy his night so much
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  Speaker 2: that he walked into the arena. I'm not exaggerating. He
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  Speaker 2: walked into the arena. He took a couple pictures on
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  Speaker 2: his way to the seat. He waved at people. He
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  Speaker 2: got the shower in French, and you know, he did
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  Speaker 2: the thing like the gracious celebrity smiling for the selfies
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  Speaker 2: kind of thing.
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  Speaker 3: On his way to his seat.
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  Speaker 2: He sat down in his seat and he did not
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  Speaker 2: stand up again for the rest of the night because
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  Speaker 2: he knew as soon as he stood up, anyone who
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  Speaker 2: had not seen him would then be like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: Victor Wembinyama's here, because he's head and shoulders above everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: I think he was also being courteous to the other
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  Speaker 2: people sitting behind on the front row, because if he
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  Speaker 2: stands up, your view six rows back is completely obscured.
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  Speaker 2: He sat down in that chair and did not stand
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  Speaker 2: up for the rest of the night. They had a
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  Speaker 2: camera on him basically the whole night, trying to get
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  Speaker 2: his reactions right. The crowd cam was Victor Wembinyama killing
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  Speaker 2: and bape everybody else and killing and Bape could just
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  Speaker 2: be him himself. He could do his thing. He's more
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  Speaker 2: famous than Victor wen Binyama. But Killian and pape. He
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  Speaker 2: can put his hood on, he can stand up, he
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  Speaker 2: can jump, he can high five his friends, and he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't stand out. Victor wen Binyama. I can't imagine how
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  Speaker 2: frustrating it is to just try to walk through your
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  Speaker 2: life and if you can't even do your job, you
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  Speaker 2: can't even be on an NBA floor in active competition
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  Speaker 2: without that happening, We're gonna get to a situation where
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  Speaker 2: Victor wen Binyama has to have his own security guard,
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  Speaker 2: like own personal security detail, much like.
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  Speaker 3: Leo Messi does. There's a bunch of YouTube videos.
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  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of funny kind of viral clips of
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  Speaker 2: this whatever he is, former MOSAD, former Navy seal.
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  Speaker 3: This like hardcore.
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  Speaker 2: Operator dude who is Leo Messi's personal security guard who
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  Speaker 2: does everything to keep people away from Messi. Whenever some
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  Speaker 2: fans streaks onto the field, no matter their age, This dude,
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  Speaker 2: with his traps and his excessively tight shirts, he is
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  Speaker 2: sprinting towards whoever that is.
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  Speaker 3: We're already at that point.
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  Speaker 2: Probably with Victor webbin Yama, because Victor webin Yaba can't
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  Speaker 2: play a game of basketball in an NBA final without
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  Speaker 2: some young jackass trying to get a selfie of him
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  Speaker 2: selfie with him while he's competing. I do not understand
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  Speaker 2: that mentality at all. I mean, I will never again,
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  Speaker 2: I will never shame people for wanting to get pictures
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  Speaker 2: with their celebrities, wanting to get autographs. I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: all love to tell the stories of our encounter with
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  Speaker 2: our favorite athlete, if you had one for the athletes elves.
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  Speaker 3: It becomes a stressful thing.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta be gracious with people that you don't want
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  Speaker 2: to be gracious with sometimes. But Victor wiman Yama had
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  Speaker 2: to deal with it in an NBA Finals game. Thankfully,
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  Speaker 2: it happened at a juncture of the game where I
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  Speaker 2: don't think there was any real outcome change. There was
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  Speaker 2: not a turnover, a turnover forced, nobody lost a handle.
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  Speaker 2: Most importantly, nobody got hurt. And while it is like
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  Speaker 2: the intent of just getting a picture with the player
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  Speaker 2: is harmless, doing it in that moment in a game
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  Speaker 2: is disgusting. Is fan behavior that has to be universally reviled,
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  Speaker 2: has to be punished excessively, And this kid is banned
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  Speaker 2: for life. He is trespassed for life from the frost
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  Speaker 2: Bank Center or whatever it's called down there in San Antonio.
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  Speaker 2: But you gotta make it worse. You gotta put the
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  Speaker 2: kid in like real jail. They said he was arrested too,
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  Speaker 2: as is appropriate. So I think at least last night
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  Speaker 2: he probably spent the night in jail. Yet charges probably
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  Speaker 2: need to be pressed in some way. Like I will
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  Speaker 2: say this.
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  Speaker 4: I I was sitting at a at a friend's house
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  Speaker 4: in uh down down to St. George, where I'm from,
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  Speaker 4: and one of the family members, one of their family members,
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  Speaker 4: came by, Wait when you were watching this?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, I was like years ago. How years ago?
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  Speaker 2: Here's get from Saint George to here.
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  Speaker 4: It's related to fan behavior, mis misbehaving years ago, not
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  Speaker 4: an NBA Finals game that we're watching whatever, We're not
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  Speaker 4: even watching a game.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: A family member comes by and tells a story of
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  Speaker 4: them going to the Pro Bowl games in Vegas and
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  Speaker 4: how they for somehow they were able to get behind
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  Speaker 4: the scenes into the hallways of the convention Center that
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  Speaker 4: was that was holding the Pro Bowl, like skills challenge
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  Speaker 4: and stuff. They're not they don't work for the league.
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  Speaker 4: They weren't, they're not former players. They snuck back there
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  Speaker 4: they got back there somehow starts to tell me this
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  Speaker 4: story about all the guys who were nice. He's got
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  Speaker 4: little kids, Like all the guys who were nice to
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  Speaker 4: my little kids when we when we asked them for
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  Speaker 4: a picture and autographs and whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Remember, not supposed to be back there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, and then starts to talk very badly of
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  Speaker 4: specific players who weren't nice, who didn't want to give
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  Speaker 4: them time. And I'm sitting here not commenting because I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know this family member. Well, not
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  Speaker 4: passing judgment vocally, but in my head, but in my head,
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, who are you to think? Who are you
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  Speaker 4: to be saying they're a very rude person. They're like,
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  Speaker 4: criticize them for not giving you the time of day
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  Speaker 4: when you're not supposed to be back there.
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  Speaker 2: So listen.
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  Speaker 4: I know there's a lot of people listening to this
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  Speaker 4: right now and being like, well, yeah, I agree with
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  Speaker 4: the I agree with your friends, your friend's family member here.
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  Speaker 4: They should just always be nice. They're famous people, we're
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  Speaker 4: their fans. They don't have a right to not be nice,
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  Speaker 4: and that is just absolutely wrong. They're human beings. Anytime
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  Speaker 4: you ask a player, a famous person for an autograph
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  Speaker 4: or a picture. If they say no. And I heard
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  Speaker 4: all the John Stockton stories over the years. Sure you
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  Speaker 4: can think that's rude, but just know that they have
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  Speaker 4: a right to say no. Well, also you have to
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  Speaker 4: deal with.
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  Speaker 2: That, especially when and I know this color is into
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  Speaker 2: you know, weird political lines, that's that what. But when
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  Speaker 2: you violate somebody's space, right, when you're in a space
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  Speaker 2: that it's supposed to belong to a particular demographic of person, right,
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  Speaker 2: in this case, a professional athlete, I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 2: I have always thought it was very, very weird that
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  Speaker 2: for decades the norm in sports media is after an
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  Speaker 2: NBA game, you went into a locker room and you
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  Speaker 2: talk to players while they were naked, while they had
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  Speaker 2: towels around their waist. I remember getting into the business,
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  Speaker 2: so this would have been twenty ten when I got
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  Speaker 2: my first full time radio show. Getting into the business.
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  Speaker 2: Going down to shoot around, yep, totally normal. Going down
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  Speaker 2: talking to Jerry Sloan while he leaned against the pillar
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  Speaker 2: next to the garbage can totally normal, Awesome, incredible for
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  Speaker 2: someone who'd been such a fan of him for his
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  Speaker 2: whole life. And I guess my brain had never really
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  Speaker 2: connected the two things, because, of course, as a sports fan,
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  Speaker 2: I had seen a million clips of players sitting at
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  Speaker 2: their locker with a bunch of microphones in their face,
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  Speaker 2: talking to media postgame and answering questions. The first time
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  Speaker 2: I got an NBA press pass and I walked into
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  Speaker 2: an NBA locker room where the guys are like getting
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  Speaker 2: out of the shower, I was like, what is going on?
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  Speaker 3: Why am I in here?
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  Speaker 2: Why is this happening right now? And of course it
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  Speaker 2: does feel wrong. Over the years, it has led to
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  Speaker 2: many allegations, many inappropriate sort of interactions. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: they only allow male reporters into the room at that time.
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  Speaker 2: It is a bizarre, very strange thing, but at least
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  Speaker 2: that is a professional setting where you know people are
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  Speaker 2: doing their jobs and handling it mostly ninety nine nine
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  Speaker 2: percent of the time the right way. They have been outliars, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: there have been there have been guys who like use
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: their access to locker rooms to steal Tom Brady's jerseys
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  Speaker 2: and things like that. But when when somebody like, if
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  Speaker 2: somebody comes into James, I'll just be we were just
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  Speaker 2: people watching on the YouTube. You were just doing some
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: things like you were fixing some things in the studio
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  Speaker 2: just now. Yeah, that's spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 4: That's why you saw a full screen overlay instead of
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  Speaker 4: videos gone.
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  Speaker 2: So James was fixing some things in the studio, making
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  Speaker 2: sure sure some things were hanging right. I'm here doing
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  Speaker 2: my job, and I'm like, James, My mind is going, James,
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  Speaker 2: why are you in here right now doing this thing?
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  Speaker 2: And James is doing what he's supposed to do. You're like,
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  Speaker 2: you're bothering me. I'm trying to talk about this unruly
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  Speaker 2: fan behavior and you're being unruly, unruly programmed director here
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: in the studio right now. And that's like when you
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: when you are in the wrong place, when someone is
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  Speaker 2: trying to do their job and you are in that place,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: or when somebody thinks, all right, I'm in the locker room,
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  Speaker 2: or I'm in this backstage area that nobody can get
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  Speaker 2: to and you get to and you somehow get there.
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  Speaker 2: I've told my story on the air of the first
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  Speaker 2: time that I had a real significant interaction with a
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  Speaker 2: professional athlete, Mark Maguire, Ricky Henderson, Right, I've told the story. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: my grandma took us to the coliseum. We ran around
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  Speaker 2: for an hour trying to find him postgame. We somehow
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: found him postgame in like the player parking lot basically,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: and they were like, how the bleep did you guys
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: get back here? They weren't happy to see us because
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  Speaker 2: we're not supposed to be there, and that, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: is totally fine. That is a completely different thing than
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  Speaker 2: somebody running up to you while you are competing on
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  Speaker 2: an NBA basketball floor in the run of play. I
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  Speaker 2: would still tell this kid he's an idiot and call
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  Speaker 2: for his arrest if it had happened during a timeout,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: right because players and coaches, but especially the players, they're
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  Speaker 2: compensated incredibly well.
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  Speaker 3: I don't feel bad for them ever ever, But.
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  Speaker 2: This is something that would be for me, incredibly alarming.
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  Speaker 3: It would be incredibly disheartening.
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  Speaker 2: It would be disconcerting, It would be off putting, it
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: would be whatever adjective you want to throw at that.
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  Speaker 2: It would be very It would be scary. In some cases.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: We're watching some French Open tennis right now. There's been
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: incidents right in the past where tennis players have been
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  Speaker 2: harmed by fans running on to the court, and I
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  Speaker 2: know that that's not possible for a league like the
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  Speaker 2: NBA or even the NFL, or for tennis or for
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  Speaker 2: MMA for that matter, to completely separate the fans and
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  Speaker 2: the athletes. Right, that's not good for anybody. You don't
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  Speaker 2: want that. You don't want there to be some ten
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  Speaker 2: foot electrified fence between you and the person that you
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  Speaker 2: want the autograph and you're buying a ticket to see
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: them perform. But this idiot running onto the court, well,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: our precious Wenby is just trying to get some basketball done.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Uh huh, I'm not down with that. Spent a little
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: too much time ranting against his actions, the sequence at
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: the end of this game, and Gordy Chase is going
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: to be joining us here in a few minutes in studio,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: so I will get the much more informed and educated
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: perspective on the actual like what really won this game
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: for the New York Knicks. But right around that two
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: minute mark, right where it's a two point margin, things
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: are getting really really intense. San Antonio gets an offensive rebound.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: They try to throw the alley up to Victor wembin Yama.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: He's not he has to reach back too far for it.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: He's not able to dunk at home. He's not able
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: to tip it in, but he gets fouled and he
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: hits the free throw.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: So now we're now we're even. Now it's a tie game.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Now it's like, all right, we're two minutes left and
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: this game has just restarted again. And give credit where
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: it's due. We were speculating on this, we were talking
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: about this. There are people around the league everywhere that
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: have been questioning whether or not Brunson is that dude.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Brunson showed he is that dude. He took over this
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: game effort play to keep an offensive rebound alive, tips
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: it to a teammate. Teammate find finds him in the corner.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: He hits a three, puts New York back in front.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: And then this is where you know the age the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: inexperienced or whatever.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Victor Winminyama lost a handle.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: He turned the ball over at the end of the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: game in an absolutely crucial scenario. Victor Wembinyama is the
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: guy who fumbled it back to the New York Knicks.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And then you're done because because Brunson makes you pay again.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Dribble drive off to the right, hits this crazy rainbow shot,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: and from that point on it was relatively academic in
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: my opinion. So while there's no doubt in my mind
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: that ninety nine times out of one hundred, Victor wembin
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Yama does not have that happen, does not turn that over.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: And while I believe wholeheartedly that he is going to
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: in this series probably make up for that mistake. You
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: had the best player on the San Antonio Spurs make
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the costliest mistake of the game, while the best player
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: on the New York Knicks did exactly what he was
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: supposed to do, and he made San Antonio pay for
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: every mistake down the stretch, including that mistake by Victor
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: women Yama. Give credit where it belongs, place it at
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the feet of a guy who is not the physical freak,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: who is not the guy that everyone in the league
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: identified and knew would be an incredible talent from the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: moment he got draft eligible. There were plenty of people
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: who thought, even when he was in college, that he
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: was like a little overrated. But Brunson is the reason
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: that the New York Knicks separated at the end of
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: this game last night and are up a game to
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: zero after one in the NBA Finals. Beautiful to watch,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: incredible to see, not what I expected, not what I predicted.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: But I will be happily wrong if we get seven
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: games like that. If I predict them all wrong, fine,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I will be thrilled to be wrong if seven of
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: them looked like what we saw last night, minus the
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: idiot fan running onto the court, of course, and credit
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: to the players in that scenario, by the way, Credit
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: to the security that was a couple steps late but
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: caught up and immediately got them out of there. Credit
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: to the players for just like, all right, nothing bad
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: happened here. I'm not gonna react to it. I'm not
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: going to overreact to it. I'm gonna get back to
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: my job. Good for them, bad for anyone who encouraged
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: that kid to do that, Bad for anyone who follows
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: him on social media and rewards this type of behavior,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Bad for all of us for somehow creating a society
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: in which this feels like a good idea of sorts,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: where the attention currency is all that truly matters to people.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: But if you're an NBA basketball fan, last night was
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: an incredible game. Was drama of the highest order, and
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: is exactly what I think the league and everybody else
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: wants from their NBA Finals.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Let's get six more of.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Them, please. I don't want this to be a five game.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I don't want a gentleman sweep here. I don't even
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: want six. I want seven games of these two teams
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: going at it. Yeah, just real quick.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: A couple of things that I saw from the Spurs
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: perspective that I'm like, that's got to change. They like
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: to have it's my design Wemby guarding the perimeter player
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: who's the weakest shooter on any game, on any team,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: and this happens to be Josh Hart for the Knicks,
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: so that he can kind of roam the baseline and
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: be a free safety if you will. I just don't
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: think they have the size for any of their perimeter
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: guys to match up with Karl Anthony Towns though, So
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: I think that's got to change. Unfortunately, Wemby probably can't
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: be that free safety because they got to have him
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: on They probably have to have him on cat. So
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: that's that's one. The other thing I might think about
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: doing is Keldon Johnson is a minus. A lot of
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: times he's six Man of the Year, but he's been
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: such a WILDCARDO see. Sometimes he's been that six man
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: of the year, you'd expect a great spark plug off
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: the bench. Other times, like last night, he had like three,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: he had two thousand, like thirty seconds and then he
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: he hit a corner three gives up an offensive rebound
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: of Cat. A lot of a lot of that was
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: because Wemby was not guarding Cat, but he had a
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: rough night. I might like to see Harrison Barnes more
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: might be the first thing I would say. But Harrison
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Barnes wasn't really great. They've got a matchup problem on
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: defense that the Knicks exploited in Game one, and I
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: think they can exploit it the rest of the series.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: If they don't make an adjustment, well, well we'll have
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: to see what the adjustment is. And this is where
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: you know Mitch Johnson and Greg Popovic his mentor, and
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: anyone else in that spurs organization of trying not to
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: overreact to anything that we saw in game one of
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: these NBA Finals, because if you go back, I guess
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: it would have been Game five of the Western Conference Final.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: You saw kind of some of this, right. You saw
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: everybody came out of that game. Not everybody, but a
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: lot of people came out of that game. Saying, oh, man,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: ok so he's got san Antonio figured out. They've solved
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the formula, and this is their series now defending champs
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: for a reason, MVP for a reason. Hey Spurs, you
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: had a nice run, but this is Oklahoma City because
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: we're gonna see again. The thought process was, we're gonna
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: see again in game six and if necessary, game seven,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: what we saw in game five from Oklahoma City. They
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: now they've solved the puzzle, and they hadn't, right because
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the puzzle can change, because it's one of those like
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: mythological Harry Potter shifting labyrinth where the hedges move because
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: you've got the personnel. If you're san Antonio, you've got
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the personnel to do that. You've got the personnel to
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: make adjustments. You've got the personnel that if you get
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: a little bit more out of AB or C, it's
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: a massive difference maker.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: This is weirdly a very deep team.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: While also having a guy who's a top three player
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: in the NBA and is the top young player in
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: the NBA. I just wonder if they're too small for
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: this name team. They say, very well, maybe it's just
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: one game game, and they very well may be because
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: obviously you have to give New York credit. You've got
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: to give the Knicks credit where it's due. This is
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: a squad that knows exactly who they are, and they
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: know how to get the most out of that lineup,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: and they do have I think a little bit of
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: a physicality advantage, and certainly they've got some size advantage
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: depending on your lineups.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: A size advantage on everybody but Wemby, and as far
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: as like actual build, like even even Towns has a
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: size advantage over Wemby.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Switch like Carl Anthony. It's I'm very curious to see
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: that evolution throughout the series because I think New York
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: is gonna be like, all right, Robinson, Mitchell Robinson, You're
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: gonna be the guy that bodies Victor weman Yama. And
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: what we saw a couple times last night, and Gordy
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: will have probably I think some more thoughts on this,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: where long before there was a shot going up, Robinson
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: was boxing out Victor wembin Yama, and I don't think
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: he was trying to box out for rebounds. He was
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: boxing out to get Victor wemen Yama off his defensive
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: spot and off his defensive rhythm. Because if you let
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Victor women Yama hang out kind of like right outside
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: the key or in the key, you know, he's got
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: the nimble feet and he's got the length. He's going
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to affect shots wherever those shots come from. And if
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: you just mug him in there, you're in danger of
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: an off ball foul from these referees. But if you're
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: boxing him out in preparation we're looking at the hoop
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: and looking at the backboard and boxing him out, you
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: can mug him. So again, I'm curious to pick Gordy's
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: brain on that because that feels like very much like
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: a Mike Brown. Just be like, uh yeah, just pretend
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: you're looking for a rebound. Dude, push him around as
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: much as you want, as long as it looks like
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: you're waiting for a rebound. Eyes on the hoop, eyes
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: away from the ball, eyes away from Victor webin Yama,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: you let you just feel it. You can pass block
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: this dude. They did that in several scenarios last night.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: We'll talk about that and much more as Gordon Chiasa,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: our resident NBA guru, joins us for the next hour.
• 32:21
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• 32:36
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• 32:41
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• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell show.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Been Gordy Chiaza, longtime NBA coach, friend of the program,
• 33:05
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  Speaker 3: Gordy, good to see you here in the studio. How
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: are you, Sean?
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: I'm doing well, Thank you.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: New York Knicks up a game, one game into these
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: NBA Finals. Really impressive ending sequence for the Knicks, for
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Brunson especially, and they steal one on the road in
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: San Antonio. What was your reaction?
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: Grittiness? The Knicks refused to lose, led by their superstar,
• 33:33
  Speaker 8: vastly underrated player Jellen Brunson, but it's how they did it,
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: and schematically, I heard you off the year before. You
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: were talking about the different parts of how how did
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: they nixt win? Will they change the coverage in the
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: second half, meaning this, In the first half, those open
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: shots for three point shots that were going in by
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: Champagne and those guys and by Dylan Harper, the Knicks
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: had basically the help defense have two feet in the lane.
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: In the second half it was only one foot in
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: the lane, but they kept the nail defender most times
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: it was Josh Hart. They're much longer, so meaning this,
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: they were able to contest the three point shot the
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: Knicks when they were down fourteen in the third quarter.
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: Schematically they made that adjustment. They executed perfectly and that
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: turned the game around. So the Spurs in the second
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: half go two for nineteen from threes, and from corner
• 34:29
  Speaker 8: threes they go zero for four, and so the sewan
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: just like in the NFL, the adjustment that the nuances
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: are how they did it. My last point about that,
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna get one this for a few seconds, just
• 34:41
  Speaker 8: to get technical, and I explained the layman's term. All right, Wemby,
• 34:45
  Speaker 8: who struggled the whole game because of Big on Big
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: most of the time, all right, Big on Big meaning
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: Anthony Towns of Robinson stayed on Wemby's body. But Wemby
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: in the crucial part of the game with that turnover,
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: that's what we call heavy nail, light nail, meaning this
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: that the middle of the floor. Just picture the basket
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: line goes straight out to the fire line extended to
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: the middle of the floor.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: That's the nail defender, all right.
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: Sometimes the nail defender moves, which we call light nail,
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: and sometimes he stays there. No matter what happens, he's
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: at the nail to take red middle drives the middle drive.
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: So Josh Hart was heavy nail coverage, stay there. Wenby
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: didn't realize it. He tries to penetrate middle and what
• 35:34
  Speaker 8: his heart do pick his pocket steal crucial part of
• 35:38
  Speaker 8: the game.
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: What's the counter?
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: That the counter that by any player, but it's hard
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: for Wenby because being seven for three was when you
• 35:45
  Speaker 8: you dribble drive to the middle of the floor, you
• 35:48
  Speaker 8: make a poors dribble to see instinctively is a nail
• 35:52
  Speaker 8: gonna be heavy or light. He misread it and kept
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: on going. And that was just steal. So the nuances
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: of playing in a playoff game. Yes, it does matter,
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: it does matter. And the Nicobackers made the right read
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: and the second half to think what at three point shooting?
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: They said in Wemby's body and they it took all
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: of that to win a close game. And the brilliance
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: of Jellen Brunson.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: Gordy going back to that heavy nail, light nail and
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: that Josh Hart positioning.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: Who makes that call?
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Is that him in the run of play deciding all right,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: this is what I'm gonna do. Or did Mike Brown
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: tell him during a time out or whatever? Hey, next
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: time you see Wemby in there, you know, up there
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: with the ball in his hand, I want you to
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: do this.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: Who who's the one who drives that decision?
• 36:41
  Speaker 8: The coaching staff, They really schematically tremendous adjustments by the Nicobockers.
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: And now now the Spurs turn, how do you encounter that?
• 36:53
  Speaker 8: So it's done by the coaching staff and then Josh
• 36:56
  Speaker 8: Hart again. The Nikobockers are a gritty team that weird saying.
• 37:00
  Speaker 8: I know they won twelve games in a row, but
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: they're still underrated because there are in other words, you
• 37:06
  Speaker 8: know the expression Sewan and the listeners that sometimes the
• 37:11
  Speaker 8: total sum is greater than any of its parts.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: That's the Knicks.
• 37:15
  Speaker 8: That the sum is greater and the roles are identified,
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: and that Josh Hart stars in this role. So does
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: Mickel Bridges Anthony excuse me, Contony. Towns made that adjustment
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: that the top dog is Jealen Brunson and that he's
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: able to deal with that mentally, and that helped the
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: Knicks as far as winning twelve in a row again
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: against good competition, but more importantly last night. So even
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: though again Wemby's on account of that Cantony pounds really
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: neutralized Wemby's impact in a game. Did now play him,
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: but neutralized him. So here's the quick metrics of it.
• 37:54
  Speaker 8: Towns goes eighteen points, total rebounds from the field seventy
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: to fifteen. Wemby goes twenty six points, twelve rebounds six
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: to twenty one from the field. Chillis shooting, He got
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: to the foul line, shot great from the foul line,
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: and he had three blocks.
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: But they need more from Wemby.
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: But they need more also from everyone else in the
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: team to try to get back to try to White
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: win the next game.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, the Spurs had an abysmal shooting percentage
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: from three and from the field, and you got to
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: give credit where it's due to a defensive scheme like
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: you were just talking about with New York, But like
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: how much of that was guys were just maybe tight
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: in their first finals game. We're cold, the pressure of
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: being at home, whatever, because the Aaron Fox three of thirteen,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Champagnee five of eleven. Uh, he shot well from three though,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: he's fifty percent from three. Wen Minyama, who we already
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: talked about, he was two of nine from three last
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: night and he turned the ball over six times. I
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: don't think you're gonna get many games like that from
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Victor Webbnyama.
• 38:57
  Speaker 8: No, you're not, No, absolutely not. And so do you
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: realized that in last night's game the uh, the two
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: main guys meeting darn Fox and when Byamba had had
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: nine turnovers in the game to.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: Combined, they made nine.
• 39:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, made nine field goals, nine turnovers and nine field goals,
• 39:18
  Speaker 8: which shows illustration that that they've got to play better again.
• 39:22
  Speaker 8: Part of it's the mental focus of it. This thing
• 39:25
  Speaker 8: called the NBA Finals, This is intense, This is when
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: you get exposure or you get exposed as a player,
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: as a coach, as a referee, as a broadcaster, as
• 39:37
  Speaker 8: a management group. And this is a it's fascinating the
• 39:42
  Speaker 8: mainstream some of it that the spos are going to
• 39:45
  Speaker 8: rally around everybody and the next game execute better. It
• 39:49
  Speaker 8: wasn't lack of effort. It was not both teams played
• 39:51
  Speaker 8: extremely hard. It was that fourth quarter Bill you felt
• 39:54
  Speaker 8: the Durney game though, at the Spurs of panic shooting.
• 39:58
  Speaker 8: Just generally speaking, they panic sho when they were up fourteen.
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: They didn't think it was over, but they just kept
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: on firing shots versus White moving the deep. Was the
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: last time he saw the Spurs really drive a close out.
• 40:11
  Speaker 8: When they drove a close out, they really didn't. They
• 40:13
  Speaker 8: kept on shooting on perimeter. They stayed out. I call
• 40:16
  Speaker 8: it outside outside versus White inside outside, to go back inside,
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: go back outside.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: It was never was. It was always outside outside, and
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: you can't do that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: One oh five ninety five the final score in San
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Antonio for Game one, And as we break down the
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: rest of this series, as you break down when you
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: talk about adjustments made during a game, and you talk
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: about the call that this deep this coaching staff for
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: New York Knicks made. Now the chess game really begins, right,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: because if you're the San Antonio Spurs, you came into
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: this game kind of anticipating the way that they were
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: gonna that New York was going to try to handle
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Victor Wimanyama first and then by extension, guy like Harper,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: guys like the Aaron Fox. So you had a guess,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I'm sure on what people, excuse me, what they were
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: going to do. Now you've seen it. Now Victor Winbinalmus
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: felt it. Now you're gonna go back and you're gonna
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: do your film study and you're gonna say, all right,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: this is how they're handling this scenario, and you could
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: make your own adjustments on that. This is where we
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: have seen and I think you probably heard me referencing
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: that Game five of the Western Conference Final against Oklahoma City.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: A lot of people stuck the fork in San Antonio
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: then and said they are done. And obviously they made
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: the necessary adjustments, both as individual players and as a team,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and they won the next two and they advanced to
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: the NBA Finals. So what does it actually look like, Gordy,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: where it's no longer a predictive exercise. It's no longer
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: guess work on how the New York Knicks are going
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: to approach you. Now you've seen it, now you know it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure New York will do that thing where
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: they're like, all right, well they've seen this, must now
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: give him something else. But walk me through what it's
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: like in the film rooms and the coaching staff discussions
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: as san Antonio adjusts to New York winning that first game, Well, the.
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: First thing is that they've got to adjust defensively. They've
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: got to create more havoc. So last night the Nickerbockers
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: really valued the possession to the ultimate. They had seven
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: first half turnovers, one in the second half, and the
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: only turnout that they had was that with that Law
• 42:26
  Speaker 8: pass to Robinson and he thought that he was the
• 42:28
  Speaker 8: shot was gonna be taken by Brunson. And so they
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: know their defense has to be more proactive causing havoc.
• 42:36
  Speaker 8: That you can't let Heart handle the ball, and there was.
• 42:40
  Speaker 8: Heart's only an average ballhandler. The way he played last night,
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: he was able to make plays because they didn't pressure him.
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: And so they've got to get better a better ball
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: pressure as far as doing that, and also add to that,
• 42:54
  Speaker 8: they've got to do a better job of starting victor
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: winbiyond a low. So for example, most times he spent
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: his residency on perimeter, which is actual his game, but
• 43:05
  Speaker 8: in the in the slot versus get him at the
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: elbow where it's just the one catch, then elevate. As
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: far as if you're gonna dribble drive, try to elevate. Also,
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: Wemban's got to try to do is that they forced
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: him into the help defense. He's got to go more
• 43:20
  Speaker 8: right handed. So think about when he got in trouble,
• 43:22
  Speaker 8: he was going to his left hand in the middle
• 43:24
  Speaker 8: of the floor. I'm saying is that if you got
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: gonna dribble, first go left middle, there's a decoy, and
• 43:32
  Speaker 8: then bring it back to your strong hand and go
• 43:35
  Speaker 8: to the rim. This angle versus what middle of the
• 43:38
  Speaker 8: floor to take away what the nail take away? The
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: heavy nail, heavy nail take it away, And they didn't
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: do that. It's the adjustment. Also, the last part is this,
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: during the course of the game, did you ever see well,
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: this is really great. The spurs is setting on so
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: many different screens. There was hardly in his screening at all.
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: It was all what just on perimeter pass has passed,
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: then try to drive it versus why screen screening component.
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: I'm saying just naturally screen more to get the defense
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: loose off you than what then try to strike attack.
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: That's the adjustment I would make.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: We're gonna keep picking Gordy's brain. We've got him for
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: another forty five minutes or so. We're rolling here on
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: a Thursday edition of The Sean O'Connell Show ESPN seven
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: hundred and ninety two. One FF.
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: Your Team is a Sean O'Connell show for the Murdoch
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: a half.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Crazy, Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. Gordia Chezy
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: here in studio with us on Thursdays during the basketball season.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: We get him for.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: An hour, so we're gonna keep him for the whole hour.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: We spent a lot of time in the first segment
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: with Gordy talking about san Antonio, what went wrong for
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: them in Game one, a loss as New York takes
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: it one oh five ninety five, and of course the
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: adjustments that san Antonio could potentially make. But New York's
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: gonna have a lot to say, especially as long as
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson is healthy in this series, because as I
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: was ranting about in the opening segment of the show,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: he was absolutely brilliant down the stretch. I mean, and
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: not just with ball dominance. I got the ball in
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: my hand, I'm going to affect it by making a
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: shot here. I mean, he was keeping possessions alive. That
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: that tip on a on a mist where he tipped
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: the ball back out. I can't remember who it was
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: that grabbed the rebound. It was Michael Bridges. Yeah, and
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: if he doesn't make that play, this game goes potentially
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: differently because we were far from settled at that point.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: So the brilliance of Jalen Brunson.
• 46:05
  Speaker 8: Absolutely so with jell D last night, he showed up
• 46:08
  Speaker 8: and showed out the whole game, thirteen points in the
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: fourth quarter. He couldn't shoot straight during the game, but
• 46:15
  Speaker 8: when it mattered, he did. He's unbelieved I call a
• 46:19
  Speaker 8: bumping cart bumping cart finisher converted the way he plays.
• 46:23
  Speaker 8: And I mentioned sewing on Thursday. Excreme me on Tuesday,
• 46:27
  Speaker 8: where I said to yourself and the audience, I'm intrigued
• 46:31
  Speaker 8: by if the NBA factor beyond the factor will affect
• 46:35
  Speaker 8: Jalen Brunt it in the lane. And you know something
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: it did not last night, did not, absolutely not. He
• 46:40
  Speaker 8: was a you know that footwork dancing as far as
• 46:43
  Speaker 8: and that stop and go. There was a lot of
• 46:45
  Speaker 8: times in the game showing when guys drive to the
• 46:47
  Speaker 8: basket players they got themselves by keeping the ball in
• 46:51
  Speaker 8: the same hand and the same rhythm of the cadence
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: of penetrating. What Brunson does great is that stop and
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: go herky jerky. He uses his speed and is a
• 47:02
  Speaker 8: low center of gravity to his advantage right now and
• 47:06
  Speaker 8: so when offensively he's able to get his shoulder and
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: his hips into the guy guarding him to create that separation.
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: So the thirty points were absolutely critical. And you know
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: that three point Shinty made from the corner. It was
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: only second three of the game. He shot for the contest,
• 47:21
  Speaker 8: two for nine, for the gate, for the for the
• 47:24
  Speaker 8: for the battle, and this shows you when he does it. Okay, Sean,
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: you saw that in New York crowd on the street
• 47:30
  Speaker 8: of Midtown Manhattan next to the guard and you see
• 47:32
  Speaker 8: everybody partying like it his nineteen ninety nine.
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: You saw that already, and.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: So surely, by the way, normally when we talk about
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: partying like it's nineteen ninety nine, it's just to quote
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: the song. It was actually nineteen ninety nine. The last
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: time this team at this fan base was in the finals.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: That's exactly right.
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: Ironically against the Spurs too, whereas he lost four games
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: to one when Patrick Ewing heard his achilles and could
• 47:56
  Speaker 8: not play, and that was a Tim Duncan for championship
• 48:01
  Speaker 8: one of five. So now you're a New Yorker, Sewan,
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: I know, Seowan, You're you're a quasi of New Yorker.
• 48:07
  Speaker 8: You like I wanna be, I know you are. And
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: James P's and also James A is a wanna be
• 48:12
  Speaker 8: Queens eight all right. So I was saying to friends
• 48:14
  Speaker 8: of mine, these crazy friends of mine, showing I know,
• 48:17
  Speaker 8: for a thousand years back in New York, there were
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: partying last night, not in the next next to the garden,
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: but there were home partying. I said foolishly that Jalen
• 48:26
  Speaker 8: Brunson right now is tied with Frank Sinatra, Pope Leo
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: and the Beastie Boys as far as being the most
• 48:33
  Speaker 8: influential of New Yorker as of right now, Sean, you
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: agree with me Frank Sinatra, Pope Leo and the Beastie Boys.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: That wouldn't have been That wouldn't necessarily be my list,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: But I like yours. You're the expert here.
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: Okay, So that's that's the power of what. Also, let's
• 48:49
  Speaker 8: go over some of the quick rolls of this underrated player.
• 48:53
  Speaker 8: Do you realize last night with Josh Hart, that hustle player,
• 48:57
  Speaker 8: he's six foot five and a half, Like, he plays
• 49:00
  Speaker 8: so hard and he has so much great about himself
• 49:03
  Speaker 8: and he understands his role. His role is to what
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: be a secondary scorer, be a ball mover, offensively, be
• 49:10
  Speaker 8: a willing screener and defensively be a junkyard dog. But
• 49:14
  Speaker 8: most of all, hey, I love crashing the boards both
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: an offensive defense. So last night, only two players in
• 49:22
  Speaker 8: NBA Finals history registered fifteen plus rebounds in a game,
• 49:27
  Speaker 8: had five assists and no turnovers. They are Dennis Schrodman
• 49:32
  Speaker 8: and last night Josh Hart. Wow, that's it history of
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: the NBA Finals Dennis Shrodman and Josh Hart. That's how
• 49:41
  Speaker 8: powerful the games were as far as his game. So
• 49:46
  Speaker 8: last night with the fifteen rebounds, six assists, and four
• 49:49
  Speaker 8: steals in the game, he tied Larry Birds is the
• 49:53
  Speaker 8: most recent player ever to have those numbers in the game. Also,
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: so Josh Hart. He tied Rodman and he tied Bird
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: in exact same game. And people say to me, people
• 50:02
  Speaker 8: would say to him, what's his name? Is it Josh Hart?
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: It was it Kevin Hart?
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Like what what? What?
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: What's his name? And I'm I'm.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: A little taller than Kevin Hart. Okay.
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: But besides, besides, the way he plays is that he
• 50:20
  Speaker 8: plays with a joy. And that's what makes it so interesting.
• 50:24
  Speaker 8: It sounds so cornball, and it's not. Guess why you
• 50:27
  Speaker 8: have to like your teammates and the and the Nova Nikobockers,
• 50:32
  Speaker 8: they'll go bad to the college days. And now suddenly
• 50:35
  Speaker 8: along the ride now is called Anthony Towns. And also
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: Mitchell Robinson and Landon Shaman, Landon Shiman off the bench.
• 50:43
  Speaker 8: That guy comes in the game. He can make freeze
• 50:46
  Speaker 8: and he's gritty defensive player. So the Knicks a well positioned. Now,
• 50:50
  Speaker 8: if you're the Nicobockers, you're sitting you're sitting right now
• 50:53
  Speaker 8: in the y Alamos city. You maybe walking right now
• 50:56
  Speaker 8: it's a it's a one o'clock back back in central times.
• 51:00
  Speaker 8: They'll probably have to walk through the probably walking around
• 51:03
  Speaker 8: on the river walk in San Antonio. The thing right
• 51:05
  Speaker 8: now is that you think you played hard this game,
• 51:08
  Speaker 8: next game, you gotta play even twice as hard and
• 51:11
  Speaker 8: execute even more and be more gritty in crunch time
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: to knock out the Spurs, who will be ready for it.
• 51:16
  Speaker 8: Should be a fascinating Game two and Game three again
• 51:20
  Speaker 8: will be on Monday night, So sean this weekend, there's
• 51:23
  Speaker 8: no NBA games because there's a bigger things going on
• 51:26
  Speaker 8: in sports. So they so ABC decided to what have
• 51:30
  Speaker 8: they get Monday night? But what could possibly be bigger
• 51:34
  Speaker 8: in sports?
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: Stanley Cup final, yeap World Cup, coming.
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: World Cup, coming sewing, and they cut those prices down
• 51:45
  Speaker 8: in case you're wondering, Yeah, they cut them down dramatically.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Not yet in my price range as a tried and
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: true cheap skate, but we're almost there.
• 51:55
  Speaker 8: No, but you're not sewing. But nic Obaco tickets. Now,
• 51:58
  Speaker 8: people tell me this sit lower bowl. All right, So
• 52:02
  Speaker 8: those nine thousand seats and most I'm giving you take
• 52:04
  Speaker 8: either nine or ten thousand seats in Lower Bowl, including
• 52:08
  Speaker 8: the Delta Center for the Nickelbacker game in Game three,
• 52:12
  Speaker 8: most of those seats showing are going now for if
• 52:15
  Speaker 8: you haven't bought tickets already, are going now on the
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: market roughly between five to eight thousand dollars per seat.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't mean to ruin your claim here, Gordon.
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: In courtside seats are going crazy, so heard.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: How if you go to ESPN, they tell you the
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: get in price for the games?
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Right you look at.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: The schedule, I saw a win million dollar one two,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: so right now on vivid seats, which is somehow the
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: ESPN partner, the cheapest Lower Bowl seat listed right now
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: on vivid Seats is ninety two hundred dollars. Okay, okay,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: the the cheapest upper Bowl seat right now is seventy
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: two hundred dollars.
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: Yikes.
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: And they call it and they call that and the
• 53:03
  Speaker 8: guard in the blue skies, what are we doing?
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: They call that the blues meaning blue sky.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Suddenly World Cup tickets look like an absolute bargain.
• 53:11
  Speaker 8: You're exactly right again, but it's once in a lifetime.
• 53:14
  Speaker 8: But you're if you're a long suffering Nicobacker fan or
• 53:18
  Speaker 8: any other fan base of your team. Hey, I waited
• 53:21
  Speaker 8: my whole lifetime, Philip blankson the last time they did
• 53:24
  Speaker 8: it was Nicobacker's was nineteen seventy three. I went over
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: he let on Tuesday back in seventy three, the price
• 53:31
  Speaker 8: of Gus who was president. I was wearing bell bottom
• 53:34
  Speaker 8: showing you know, back in back in nineteen seventy three,
• 53:37
  Speaker 8: et cetera, the whole thing. But it just shows you,
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: though how long it was. Now for the Spurs, the
• 53:43
  Speaker 8: last championship was twenty fourteen, so it's almost recent. And
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: that's why the fans. Hey, without the NBA, without the end,
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: without the fans, there's no NBA without the fans, there's
• 53:54
  Speaker 8: no NFL. Without the fans, there's no Major base League Baseball.
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: And that's why the fans, that's why they want to
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: go to these games and are willing to spend all
• 54:03
  Speaker 8: this money. So it should be again, it should be
• 54:05
  Speaker 8: absolutely fascinating. It's gonna be intense. Who's gonna win? We're
• 54:09
  Speaker 8: gonna find out. But I all I know is this
• 54:11
  Speaker 8: that in any situation in a playoff game, offensively, you've
• 54:16
  Speaker 8: got to make something out of nothing. That's what I
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: call chaos scoring because the defense is so fast and
• 54:22
  Speaker 8: schematically so sound. You've got to be able to do
• 54:25
  Speaker 8: something with your feet and with the ball at the
• 54:27
  Speaker 8: same time.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I'm getting stuck on this ticket cost disparity happening right now,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: because if you want to go to Game two in
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: San Antonio, it's about eight hundred dollars, and that's actually reasonable.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: If you want to go to Game three, it's about
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars. It costs ten times more to go
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: to one of these games in New York City. If
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: you're a Knicks fan, you'd actually be better served to
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: get yourself a first class plane ticket and a nice hotel,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: fly to San Antonio, go have some Pinkerton's barbecue, which
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: my favorite in San Antonio, and maybe watch your team
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: steal another one on the road. There was a lot
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: of Knicks fans there last night. You know why else
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: there's a bunch of Knicks fans in there. I observed
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: this because you don't get that, like you've said, you
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: get that Hollywood front row at the Garden, like you
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: do at the Staples Center.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: What's it called now, the Crypto dot Com Arena.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: If you if you were watching last night and you're
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: a comic if you're a stand up comedy fan. There
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: were a lot of famous stand up comics in New
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: York knicks gear sitting in those first few rows. Because Austin,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Texas has become like the stand up comedy capital of
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: the United States, and a lot of those guys are
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: either living temporarily or have fully relocated to Austin, Texas.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: So that's a quick that's an hour.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: It's a little drive down the road to from Austin
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: to San Antonio. So all these New York comedians are
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: in their next gear watching in San Antonio very much.
• 56:04
  Speaker 8: Also, you add to that, besides the economics of it,
• 56:06
  Speaker 8: they also in Texas has no state income text, so
• 56:09
  Speaker 8: that that's part of why they relocated to Austin.
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: Would you really pretty hip place?
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: It really is? Yeah, Austin is very hip, Yeah it is.
• 56:17
  Speaker 8: But being hip right now, it all starts showing by
• 56:19
  Speaker 8: playing body the body on Wemby's hip. Wenby's got a white,
• 56:23
  Speaker 8: release that hip and get white, get a shoulder by them.
• 56:26
  Speaker 8: So share we all was showing talking about hips, talking
• 56:28
  Speaker 8: about shoulders all right.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Even as the NBA Finals are unfolding, the league office,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Adam Silver, He's dealing with some other bigger fish that
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: he's got a fry. We'll get into some of those
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: in our next segment. Also, I have not yet picked
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Gordy's brain on you know, fan interactions. I'm sure Gordy's
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: tackled the streaker or two in his day as an
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: NBA coach.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: We'll get there.
• 56:50
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• 57:33
  Speaker 2: All right, bad fan behavior on display last night, About
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: six minutes left, and some moron runs onto the field
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: to take a selfie with Victor webbin Yama, who handled it.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: He was sort of just bemused. He was like, what
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: is this guy doing here? He had kind of a
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: half smile on his face. He didn't let it get
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: under his skin. He's really really gracious with fans, even
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: ones who are doing stupid stuff. But Gordy, you've been
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: around the league forever. I imagine you saw some bad
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: fan behavior at some point.
• 58:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, very much I have. Also, it's after this, there's
• 58:04
  Speaker 8: no place for that. And he did a good job
• 58:06
  Speaker 8: security of running after the guy to get it.
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: Just think about it.
• 58:10
  Speaker 8: The fans are so close to the players, literally you
• 58:14
  Speaker 8: can touch each other. And that's how crazy it is
• 58:18
  Speaker 8: sometimes in the game. And that guy, I'm sure showing
• 58:21
  Speaker 8: be put in jail, got a huge fine. He'll be
• 58:24
  Speaker 8: in jail for X amount of months, I'm assuming, and
• 58:28
  Speaker 8: that it's only funny now. Only it was only funny
• 58:31
  Speaker 8: last night. But that now the rest of the good
• 58:33
  Speaker 8: job as far as getting out of the end of there.
• 58:35
  Speaker 8: And so did the security. One time in jazz basketball
• 58:38
  Speaker 8: a long long time ago, call him alone, let's say,
• 58:40
  Speaker 8: was rather a big human being. There was a heckler
• 58:43
  Speaker 8: on the baseline at the at the Arena in Oakland
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: and he was harassing call. He was a muscle man too.
• 58:51
  Speaker 8: He's a big guy, just like call harassing, call flexing
• 58:56
  Speaker 8: his muscles, et cetera. And the referee was Bob Delaney
• 58:58
  Speaker 8: for the for the young listeners right now. Bob Delany
• 59:01
  Speaker 8: is a former NBA official. Before becoming a full time
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: official in the NBA, he was he was in New
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: Jersey state trooper that went undercover, part of the mafia
• 59:12
  Speaker 8: undercover now, yeah, when he was twenty something years old.
• 59:16
  Speaker 8: So with that mentality, he became a referee, and he
• 59:20
  Speaker 8: was fearless in a good in a good way, so
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: he kept He won the guy one time, Hey fella,
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: I'm simplifying the language. Hey fella, you don't want to
• 59:27
  Speaker 8: do that, do you. As far as harassing call, we
• 59:30
  Speaker 8: call it during timeouts, he was right out. He's right
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: on the literally on a part of our bench almost like.
• 59:34
  Speaker 8: And so Bob Lanny kept on wanting the guy, and
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: then he said to Bob Nanny said to the guy, hey, listen,
• 59:41
  Speaker 8: besides call knocking you out before call does it, I'll
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: knock you out before he doesn't. And then the guy,
• 59:47
  Speaker 8: of course, you know, took that personal and he he
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: just got up again for the fifth time in a row,
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: got up, and then Bob Delaney kicked him out of
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: the game, and the security guards took him out of there,
• 59:58
  Speaker 8: took it like five guys take him out of They're
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 8: never gonna be seen again. So it does happen. There's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: no place in it for any sports right now. And
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 8: thank god nothing happened during that.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Just the frustrating thing about it is like it's a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: during run of play, an important sequence of the game,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: and thankfully, you know, nobody's shot got affected by it.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: They ended up just resetting with a jump ball after
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: reviewing some tape and whatnot. Man, just kids, like Cordy said,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: the fans are so close. If you want to be
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: able to stay close, you can't act like that. I
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: mean the NBA if stuff like this continues, if that
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: sort of thing became commonplace, it would look like an
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: NHL game. They put up boards and you wouldn't be
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: able to have those interactions with players, the positive ones.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, very much.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: Also, Sean, do you realize that in the Puerto Rican
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 8: Summer League, which a lot of NBA players, especially fringe
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 8: guys playing it for money, that it's the same problem
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 8: happens all the time. The guys play in the cage,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 8: like around the court there's like wire cages, and so
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 8: that's so in Puerto Rico. So that's that's how seown.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 8: That's the rapid fans in the Puerto Rican as far
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 8: as the fans, and that's how the players how they
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 8: performed it. You don't want you don't want that in
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: the NBA. The NBA, like like all sports teams, they
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 8: want to have the fans interaction. They want to have
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 8: access to the players during the game where they can
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 8: really see the intensity of the moment. And that's what happens.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 8: So thank god, nothing bad bad during that game. It
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 8: was really it was a role played hard for battle
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 8: with the Knickerbockers winning. So let's see, I'm sure right
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 8: now showing the NBA security reviewing right now, how can
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: they stop this again? Maybe now, maybe they might have
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: made some adjustments where an extra three four security people
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 8: who will be looking out for any sort of any
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 8: during timeouts members showing the team security. They're taught during
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 8: timeouts to look and don't look at the players who
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 8: the what and who they work with. They're taught they're
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: taught to why look out into the stands to see
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: if anybody's come out of the court. So next time
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 8: you're an NBA game, the security by the team, those
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 8: three or four people are looking in a crowd, so
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: in case nothing happens to the players.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Uh. It's worth noting that even the worst fan behavior
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: in the United States has not yet reached European levels
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: of bad fan behavior. Remember a few years back where
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Italian soccer they had to have no fans in the
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: stadium for a while. I'm just reading some things here
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: inter Milan this season. Uh, they had a three match
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: travel band if you couldn't go to an away game
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: because they were throwing flares on the field.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Roma and Fiorentina.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Supporters from both clubs banned from attending away matches for
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: the rest of this season in twenty twenty six because
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: they were they were having these major clashes involving weapons
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: on the A one motorway, the highway between the stadiums. Yikes.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but yikes.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 8: Also we left out another component, Oh by the way, gambling.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, other words, So we don't know about that
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 8: fan last night or his buddies. You know, I'm sure
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: you know what happens here a lot of times with
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 8: young people. Just generally speaking, it's almost like peer pressure.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 8: I dare you to do that. I'll give you one
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 8: thousand dollars to do that whatever whatever the numbers might be,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 8: and that's what happens. As far as during that course
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 8: of that that incident, he might have been dad by
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 8: his alleged friend Slash Cohorts.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently there was another there was a second shooter,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: so to speak. There's another guy involved. Both of them
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: have been banned for life from NBA games. Okay, and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: you're young, you know how bad that is. When you're
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: in your early twenties, you don't get to go to
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: an NBA game for the rest of your life.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: Idiots.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: All Right, some comments from the commiss office regarding some
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: other business going on around the league. As we approach
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: an NBA draft. Obviously the finals are the headliner here,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: but you've got an NBA draft coming up. Utah Jazz
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: will be picking number two there. Aj Debontsa, who played
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: his college ball down at BYU, is expected to be
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: pick number one. If not that, he would definitely be
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: pick number two. So Adam Silver, you know, is state
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: of the Union type stuff that we hear from him
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: all the time. One thing that was interesting here he
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: talked about expansion in the league. Gordy On's a firm
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: decision by the end of this year on whether or
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: not Seattle will get a team, Vegas will get a team,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: et cetera. It feels like the NBA is a growth property.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: They're gonna add more teams, right, Yes, they are, very much.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: They're gonna add two teams. It's probably gonna be Seattle
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: and Las Vegas.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: Which who's gonna move to the East?
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, to the East, it should be Memphis Grizzlies. The
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 8: natural partner would be Atlanta Hawks, sure, and possibly possibly
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 8: Minnesota moving to the Midwest with Chicago and that those
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: people are Milwaukee possible, and the fallback might be they
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: might move two teams from besides Memphis, New Orleans could
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 8: move to the East end, because again it's the same
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 8: time zone as far as the East coast and they're
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 8: part of the Central time zone as far as playing it.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: So that's all part of it that'll be worked out.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 8: I'm assuming showing that they're getting ready for it. It
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 8: takes roughly two full off season to get anything organized.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: So again, this is next year's twenty six twenty seven.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 8: I'm assuming that the expansion will start in twenty eight
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 8: twenty nine.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: More intriguing was the conversation about a European League, a
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: European ANBA. We know euro League basketball has been a
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: major thing for a long time. You can make an
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: argument that it's you know, it's the second best league.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: It's better than the G League for some people. So
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: the proposal is a sixteen team league. Twelve are permanent teams,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: permanent NBA affiliated teams, and then EuroLeague teams that are
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: already existing will have the ability to play into this
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: European NBA so much like you get with soccer over there,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: promotion and relegation potentially. I love this. This is something
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: it's really really cool in European sport. We don't have
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: anything like it in American sports. To have an NBA
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: at an American league in the NBA be willing to
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: at least explore that possibility. Plenty of details that have
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: to be worked out. I love the idea of an
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: NBA league going over and establishing a footprint in Europe,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: but also not just saying hey, we're here to take over,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: We're gonna eliminate, you know, all of this long standing
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: tradition you've got. Integrating some of the euro Basket teams
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: would be really neat.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah, very much so. The question right now is the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 8: players' union. Is that who plays in it? Do you
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 8: have to do the players live over there all the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 8: time as far as in season, and that how many
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 8: teams go over there to play?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: That's the question.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 8: They got to work it out and the players' union
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 8: will be involved to the ultimate.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: It's a great concept. Also, FEBA is involved in this.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 8: Is that you're you're saying the FEVER then, which is
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 8: the governing body of European League, that we think we
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 8: can do this better than FEB Then you guys do
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 8: and so we'll see how it all plays out. Now
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 8: you realize that Luca Dantage and Donnie Nelson Junr. The
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 8: former general manager of the Dallas Mavericks, they bought a
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 8: team already. Interesting, Yeah, Luca Dantage, yea in Italy. I
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 8: want to say to the either Milano or Rome if
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 8: I said the wrong thing, I read it recently, So
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 8: Milano or Rome, Donnie Nelson, Luca Dantec.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna look it up. We have these computers,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: might as well use yeah, might as well use them.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 8: So this shows you that that there's interest by to
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 8: try and investing investing in that by NBA players.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, so Vania is the name of the team that
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: they purchase, and they're in the Italian Serie A, so
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: their top league, top bag. Yeah, top, and there they
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: plan on relocating the team to Rome for the twenty
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: twenty six twenty twenty seven season.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so they get they're getting ready for it possibly
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: to be entry level into that proposed league right now,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 8: So again, sports is global. Oh, by the way, in
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 8: the sporting world, the whole world's two blocks long shown
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: that everyone knows someone else and knows someone else, and
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 8: that now with the with the digital print footprint of
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 8: every organization and worldwide that they direct access at any moment,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 8: any second, should say, as far as what is going
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 8: on around the global sports world, the whole world's two
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 8: blocks long.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Admitally, it makes perfect sense here the remember there was
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: an NFL Europe, NFL Europe. There was a time where
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: you know, the the global push from the NFL, they
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: had franchises over in Europe. And that is not a
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: sport that has yet been embraced by the European continent.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: Obviously basketball has, so potentially you know, using this much
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: like the G League is used player development. I mean,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: it feels like it could only improve not only the
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: footprint of the game of basketball, but your talent scouting
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: and your your development of young players who maybe need
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: another year or two. Oftentimes those guys end up in
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: euro League, sometimes they go down to New Zealand, sometimes
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: they're playing in China. Whatever. But this would be really
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: really cool and I think beneficial on both ends for
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: the NBA.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 8: Now you mentioned a match you're worried about scouting, It's
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 8: exactly right. So the scouting is absolutely internationally. And I
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 8: have a short segment showing that I wanted to hit upon.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: It's about BYU basketball. You mentioned for about AJ Deboncer
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 8: should be the first.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Pick pick number one.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Had a hilarious appearance on Gilbert Arenas's podcast that we're
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: going to get to later in the show today.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 8: Okay, so here's just a quick synopsis of BYU players
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 8: selected in the top ten of the NBA Draft.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: It's very short numbers.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 8: So and you best BYU basketell history, which is really
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 8: a tremendous, a tremendous accomplishment. How many guys were picked
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 8: in the top ten. Here we go, it's only five
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 8: players so far, and AJ will be number six. So
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 8: Just think about only six players total eventually have been
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 8: at the top ten in BYU basketball history. Mel Hutchins
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 8: back in nineteen fifty one was the second pick of
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 8: the draft. Seven year NBA Korea. He was a rookie
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 8: the year. Four time All star. Sean Brailey nineteen ninety three,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 8: second pick of the draft, had a twelve year NBA
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 8: career half of El Harujo Brazil in two thousand and
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 8: four with the eighth Picke of the draft. Sean had
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 8: had a very short three year career. Jimerferdad with a
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 8: tenth picck of the draft in twenty eleven, had a
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: six year NBA career. Last year, Diegor Demon, Russian eighth
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 8: pick of the draft by the Nets. His rookie season
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 8: he played only last year. This past year should say
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 8: fifty two games. He had a left foot plane fasciatis.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 8: He averaged ten point three points per game, three point
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: three assists, shot in the field thirty nine point three percent,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 8: and three point range, which is remarkable thirty eight point three.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 8: That's it shown. Only five guys in previous BYU basketball
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 8: history were picked in the top ten, and now aj
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 8: should be picked by the Wizards number one that's how
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 8: hard it is to be that. Now people say, what
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 8: about Danny Ainge. I looked it up and I thought
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 8: the same thing. Danny Ainge wasn't picked in the top ten.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 8: The answer is no, he was not. Back in nineteen
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 8: eighty one, Danny Ainge was picked at number thirty one
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 8: Sean which was the second round. Oh wow, second round.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 8: And Danny had a wonderful fourteen year old career, two
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: NBA titles with the Celtics and one All Star appearance
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 8: also with the Celtics. So the greatest player in NBA
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 8: BYO NBA history was Danny Ainge was picked at number
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: thirty one. Now less fast forward and more importantly, a
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 8: few weeks from now that ag of the Boncer pick
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 8: number one by the Washington Wizards, he'll join that very
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 8: very short list of people that were picked in the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 8: top ten BWAYO Basketball. Next Thursday in my studio again,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 8: I'm gonna give a list of the Utah huge players
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 8: as far as picked in the top ten. So it's
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 8: the we We should be loud and proud right now
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: about BYU basketball. AJ Deboncer about his going to be
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 8: future accomplishments.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: We're going I'm gonna have to do some research to
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: make sure that we can verify this. But because you
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: mentioned Danny Ainge. According to Wikipedia, which of course never lies,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: Danny Ainge was first Team All American in high school,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: first Team All American in football, basketball, and baseball, and
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: is the only person in history to be named in
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: the Parade magazine First Team All American in all three.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 8: That's impossible that in that city was Eugene, Oregon, that's
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 8: he grew up in.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a top Oregon football recruit, played wide receiver.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Obviously he got drafted into Major League Baseball. He got
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: drafted into the NBA. Sure, you know he I think
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: he picked the right one. It worked out for remote
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: in basketball, not only in his career, but obviously he's
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: made a nice life for himself with his post career
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: accomplishments very much.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 8: How about a guy named Sean and Yester year. We
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 8: all loved him bo Jackson.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Bo Jackson could play hoop though I know, but
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: or maybe he could.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: Sorry, but but everything else he could do.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Bo Jackson, you're probably out there listening right now. Maybe
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: maybe you were also a great basketball player. But guys
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: that are that athletic. Usually it takes them, you know,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: about five minutes to suddenly get good at everything.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and also in pickup games, those guy's always come
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 8: down the floor and dunk and someon's knocking.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: You know, they play different sports.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 8: And Bo Jackson was this unbelievable football player, unbelievable baseball player.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 8: You talk about being gifted fast twitch muscles which are
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 8: huge right now, and and how he played the game.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 8: And he was one of the all time great all
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 8: around athletes and he had a let's say the obvious,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 8: he had a winning, winning game.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: He was a multi event track athlete at Auburn University,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: including being an All American football player and Heisman Trophy winner.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: So like the athleticsis it's unfair that some guys have that,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: but man, that's what we love to watch.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 8: And also for Nike for the go On go On YouTube,
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 8: look it up where they had these great commercials with
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 8: Nike about Bo Jackson and Bo Diddley and the Catchwray
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 8: was who knows Bo knows more? And that's when the
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 8: commercial was. It was actually a hit commercial. It was
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 8: absolutely with people resonated. They loved it with Bo Jackson
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 8: and this loose singer jazz man Bo Diddley, because you
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 8: know Sean Bo knows.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: There was there's a legend about Bo Jackson where he
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: was running the de kathlon and there's a fifteen hundred
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: meter run as part of the decathlon event. He was
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: so far ahead in the decathlon because he had won
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: every everything else that he didn't run the fifteen hundred
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: meter because he hates distance running. So if you do
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: nine of the ten and you can still win a decathlon,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: you are an alien.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 6: Yes you are.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 6: Show my list today.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 8: I want to hear it is iconic NBA players without
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: a championship title. Yeah, these guys for I feel for
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 8: every guy here because this list is right now you'll
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 8: hear about these people, you'll know them and you'll respect
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 8: their game. But unfortunately they didn't win a championship. Talented
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 8: players don't win championships. Elite teams do. It's a big difference.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 8: So you could be a talented player, but your team
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 8: is not elite.
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  Speaker 6: Here we go.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 8: It's a list. Number twenty five, Devin Booker, number twenty four,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 8: Dame Lillard number twenty three, James Harden number twenty two,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 8: Luca Dantage number twenty one, Chris Paul number twenty, Alex
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 8: English number nineteen, Vince Carter number eighteen, Kamelo Anthony number seventeen,
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 8: Tracy McGrady number sixteen, Chris Webber number fifteen, Bob Lanier
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 8: number fourteen, Chris Mullen number thirteen, Bernard King number twelve,
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  Speaker 8: Pete Maravich number eleven, Dan Issel number ten, the Iichman,
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  Speaker 8: George Gerving number nine, Dominique Wilkins number eight, Elgind Baylor
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 8: number seven, Ai Alan Iverson number six, Reggie Miller number five,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 8: Steve Nash number four, Patrick Ewing number three, Charles Barkley
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 8: number two, John Stockton number one, called malone. These twenty
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 8: five unbelievable players have never won a championship quickly in
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 8: a present tense four players are now seeking their first
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 8: covered NBA tie and this year's twenty twenty six NBA Finals,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 8: they are gonna be either Spurs victor Wenbiyama or Stephen
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: Castle or Nick Obokus, Jellen Brunson or call Anthony Towns. Finally,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 8: those guys or young people might win an NBA title.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 8: So that's how hard it is to be to win
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 8: a championship. You need other trusted sidekicks to help you
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 8: what form an elite team.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: It's pretty unbelievable how many guys you just rattled off
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: that are obvious Hall of famers, that are some of
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: the best to ever do it, that are so universally expected,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: and they exist in every sport. We talk about him
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: in football, we talk about him in baseball showing a football,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: would that be you think we'll talk? I mean, Dan
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Marinos never won, Yeah, right, He's often considered one of
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: the best quarterbacks and he's the guy who never actually
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: won a championship. Dan Marino's the first name that jumps
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: to mind for me.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: That's a good one too.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of guys and in the NBA those
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: I mean you were just talking about, like all the
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: favorites of my childhood, like Dominique Wilkins and obviously John
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: and Carl Reggie Miller, who I didn't love but you
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: hated the rivalry because of what he was able to do.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: To the Knicks.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: And Chris Mullen. Chris Mullen. Gosh, if you're Mullin and
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: you're watching what happened with the Warriors after long after
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: your retirement.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: You're like, geez, man, must have been nice.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: Speaking of the Warriors, we might have an update on
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: a major personnel move for them. I don't you think
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: Lebron James is gonna end up as with the Golden
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: State Warriors as some people are starting to report.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 6: It's possible. No, it's it's it's actually I'll take a
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 6: pay cut.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 8: And that's okay as far as him doing it, but again,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 8: it be a less hurrah for the Warriors as they're
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 8: dramatically aging. They're saying philosophically, maybe this guy can give
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 8: us one more chance to be relevant. As far as
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 8: said right now, remember, unless you're despa the Warriors, they
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 8: got banged up with Jimmy Butler, he was out. They
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 8: generally speaking, they're aging and they were hurt. So Lebron
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 8: is forty two years young, but he'll give them a
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 8: lot of stop power and also ability to score the basket.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 8: So we'll see if he takes a pay cut this summer.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 8: How it all plays out, No one knows the answer.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: Gordielle, I want to ask you about this before we
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: let you go, because you know you spend so much
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: time coaching and then around coaches who've maybe been in
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: these situations, and you've got connections everywhere in the NFL.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: We're looking at a really fascinating scenario right now where
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: the Rams are going in. They're all going all in
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: with the trades, and now they might get Aaron Donald
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: to come out of retirement, but it's very clear that
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: this is like a one or two year thing for them.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: They're trying to capitalize before Matthew Stafford has gone, and
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: in doing so, they've mortgaged their future. They have said, yeah,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: we're not going to have any first round picks for
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: three or four years. So pretty soon they're gonna be
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: rounding into some sort of rebuild to be on the
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: coaching staff, to talk to guys that are on a roster.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: When that's obviously what's happening here right It happens in
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: the NBA too, Like you just mentioned with the Warriors. Hey, guys,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: we're gonna take a big swing here. We're gonna try
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: to get Lebron in the building potentially, and we're just
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: gonna roll.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: What's it like being on the roster.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: What's it like being in the room when you know, hey,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: it's do or die this year, or it's do or
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: die within these next two years.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, the window is absolutely short, and that everything is
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 8: based on short term. There's less player development shown, there's
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 8: more whe playing the game as far as veterans, So
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 8: that's how they lean it, and that they're trying to
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 8: convince on average, showing ten year veterans to play for
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 8: the minimum contract, which last year of your ten year
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 8: veteran was three point sixty three million. Now Lebron won't
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 8: do that, He'll play for I'm assuming. I'm just guessing
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 8: say fifty the twenty million, which is still a lot
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 8: of money in the real world, but in the basketball
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 8: world it's above the middle of exception, which is fifteen
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 8: point one million. So what it's like, everything is based
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 8: on short term. There's no three or five year plan
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 8: like most other successful businesses or franchises.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 6: It's right now.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 8: They're trying to remember Steph Curry so on that he's
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 8: still an unbelievable player, but he's gonna be thirty thirty
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 8: seven years old and so already, so this is coming
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 8: to the end right now.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 6: So they know that, and they're.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 8: Going to try to just have one more swing at
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 8: it to go out and then start over again. We'll
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 8: see if it's fascinating offseason. You know, I for all
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 8: the NBA fans, the draft's going to be on June
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 8: twenty third, but really after that comes free agency, which
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 8: is July first. And also freegency is not the first
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 8: initial push of it. It's the whole month of July basically,
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 8: and most people wait, they try to sign, but you
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 8: can get a discount on a player if you're waiting,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 8: So maybe July twentieth till maybe the first week of August.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 8: That's when you can get really a good player who
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 8: thinks he deserves more money. You can get him a
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 8: discount rate to help your team right now. So again,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 8: it's the timeframe of players, and we'll see how it
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 8: all plays out. In Utah Jazz basketball, they'll be front
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 8: and center right now as far as the draft. Picking
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 8: number two, they're gonna get absolutely a tremendous young fella
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 8: talent that probably will be an All Star between sean
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 8: his third year to fifth year. That guy would be
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 8: an All Star whoever they pick. That's how talented number
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 8: one through four are. And it's gonna be a great draft.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 8: Top of it right now, and there'll be other surprises
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 8: also Let's not forget Sean. The last point before we
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 8: go to break is that, Oh, by the way, if
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 8: you watch last night's game, let's not forget Jellen Brunson
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 8: with the thirty third pick of the draft. That's what
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 8: shows you that you can't measure Sean heart and courage.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: We've got plenty more basketball still. Game one goes to
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: the New York Nicks. Gonna be a fascinating series. Game
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: two of the Stanley Cup Finals is going to be tonight.
• 1:24:12
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• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: we've got some hilarious sound of Aj Debonsa twisting Gilbert
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: Arenas's brain into a pretzel. We'll play that for you
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  Speaker 2: Excuse me, we have to play this sound for you.
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  Speaker 2: Aj Debonsa went on a podcast and Gilbert Arenas, very
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: interesting personality, longtime NBA player of course all star Gilbert
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: Arenas had some things to say. It's called the Arena,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: which is, let's be honest, it's a great name for
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: a podcast.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: When you're name is Gilbert Arenas.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what, just I'm gonna I'm gonna let
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna let James play the sound so you can
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: get a sense of just how awkward this exchange became
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: between a guy who's projected to be the number one
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: overall pick and a longtime NBA star.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 9: And the spotlight is coming to you. So if the
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 9: spotlight is going to come to you, then I'm going
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 9: to keep you home. Is your city, No, Utah, that's
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 9: not home. It's not home for you, but it's been
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 9: home for the last few years. And that is your
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 9: city right now.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 9: So the city, by the way, what is it?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: City state? What did they call it?
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 9: I mean, I'm gonna just be honest. I'm meeting pay
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 9: attention to Utah. Like, so that's that's different Salt Lake
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 9: City with the city that you played again where you
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 9: played the who and then by using a pro.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: Gotta be chacing.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: This is amazing.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: First of all, I can't tell you how much I
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: love AJ Debonsa correcting Gilbert Arenas like that.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: Right there.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: There's oftentimes when you're when you're discussing the relationship between
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: a veteran, an established guy versus someone who's coming up
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: the ranks like an Aj Debonsa, you might let it slide,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: might just be like, oh my gosh, I'm not going
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: to say anything. But he corrected him twice in about
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: ten seconds right there.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 4: And one of them, one of them is concerning for
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: people like well maybe formerly people like UOC.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: They were like Aj' is the safer pick because he
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: because he's going to stay your long term because he
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: loves BYU and his parents and he went to high
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: school here his last year high school and his parents
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: moved out here with him. He quickly said, Utah's not home. Well,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not concerned by that. And here's why. Right, if
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: you ask James Peters, James, what's your hometown Saint George.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: You don't live in Saint George. When's the last time
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: he lived in Saint George? Wow? Ago, Yeah, why are
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: you calling it your hometown?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: Then?
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, because that's where I'm from. That's like
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: we all do that, you know what I mean? So
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: I think that's what aj was doing there. I remember
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: I'm from Boston. Yeah, because he said, right, He's like,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: I'm keeping you in your city, and Age's like Boston.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: And Gilbert was still talking so he almost couldn't hear it,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: and he's like, no, he's like, no home, Utah. And
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: he's like, oh, that's but Utah's not home. That's not
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: his hometown and it's not and it never will be.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: And maybe that is something that you have to worry about,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: and it you know, obviously wipes out a lot of
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: the argument I made why maybe you should consider drafting
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: Aj Debonca doing what it takes a draft Aj Debonca,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: because if he is still and obviously he is, if
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: he's still correcting people on saying, well, my home is Boston, Massachusetts,
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: they happen to have a basketball team there that if
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: he ends up being the player that we think he's
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: gonna end up being, will at some point probably want him.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: And actually the timing on that might work out pretty
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: well for Boston because by then you're getting like an
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: aging and often injured Jason Tatum, and you're getting a
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: more aged situation from Jalen Brown, and now you're like,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: all right, well we need the air apparent, we need
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: our next star.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: So maybe maybe that's enough.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: Right. Aj is gonna get drafted by Washington anyway, but
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: he's not gonna stay in Washington.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: He's gonna go to Boston.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: And that would be paid for Utah Jazz fans to
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: lose another star to the Boston Celtics, as we saw
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: with Gordon Hayward, and that was a guy where it
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: was just like, well, of course he loves Utah, look
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: at him. Look yeah, as spence check. He looks like
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: a missionary. As spence check.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: It says the Jazz couldn't keep the white guy who
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: likes to play video games like that, that was Gordon.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: You did keep one white guy who likes video games.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: Andre Carolinko did a lot of good things in Utah,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: and he was a big World of warcraft guy, and you.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah, yeah, the the voice just for for people
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 4: who haven't seen it, the voices you heard, voices you
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: heard obviously Gilbert Arenas and ag Debonsa and he has
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: his podcast partner there. His podcast partner was the one
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: who awkwardly said, when you played the Jazz, you played
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: in Salt Lake City.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: That's the city you played in.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 4: And AJ is the one going you gotta be tripping you,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: you gotta be tripping right now.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: Man. It really is alarming when you see like a
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: lot of the you know, there's a ton of this
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: on social media, like the man on the Street where
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: the guys with the little microphones will just quiz people
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: on what should be very very basic information. Gilbert Arenas,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: you could be forgiven if you've never visited Utah, for
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: not really knowing the difference between what is Utah?
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: Where is Utah?
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: Now? I think every American should know what is a
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: state and what is a city. Absolutely, that's a failure
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: in either an education system or in that person's ability
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: to learn to not know that thing.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: Just it's I mean, it's it's downright silly.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: But you get more of a pass, right if it's
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: a place that you have never been, you will never go,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: and you're just like, I sorry, I don't know where
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: Tuscaloosa is?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, where is that?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: I think it's a lot more forgiving to not know
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: a specific town city, however famous it is not know
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: what state that city is in. You don't know like
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: tuscal is a great example. You're not a college football fan,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: you probably you may not know that that's in Alabama.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that that should in my in my opinion,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: everyone should get a pass for that. If that's the case.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: Even if you are a college ball fan you don't
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: know it's in Alabama. It's fine. If you're forty and
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: you don't know that utah's the state. Yeah, that's and
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: you've been here ten times. That's not gilt, that's unforgivable.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: He also played college basketball at Arizona. I don't know
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: if he ever played the utes when he he might
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: have played some non conference games when back then they
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: were not in the same conference, obviously, but he it was.
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  Speaker 2: He was in the state bordering this the place he thought.
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  Speaker 4: Is a city. It's just unforgivable. Gilbert, you shouldn't. You
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: shouldn't make yourself sound dumb.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: Also, this is a recorded podcast edit that out like, No,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: I'm glad they didn't.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: I'm glad they did too, because it's hilarious. But if
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: I'm in that position, I'm.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Editing that out. I'm not letting that stand.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: Great stuff.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: Great stuff by Gilbert Arenas too uh.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: To look moronic. There your guy.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Russell Wilson has confirmed confirmed reports that he's retiring. He's
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: going to join CBS Sports on their NFL coverage. Hey,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: the studio you mean a studio analyst.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: He's gonna slide into Matt Ryan's role that Matt Ryan
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: has held for the last few years.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: Can I be honest?
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: Russell Wilson for me is like the Kawhi Leonard of
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: the NFL, where I appreciate your ability. Especially prime Russell
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Wilson was fun to watch. He was good, He never
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: played for a team that I liked or cared about,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: so I don't have any particular affection for it. Obviously,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: he's an incredible athlete by all accounts. He's a pretty
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: good businessman. He must be because he convinced that woman
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: to marry him, Sierra. But uh, I don't like listening
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: to him talk. I don't every interview I've seen with
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: Russell Wilson like he's like, he's kind of corny, he's
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: kind of bizarre. I don't want him on TV.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Robotic Russ is one of his nicknames for that reason. Yeah,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not into Russell Wilson the speaker, just like you so,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: and I'm not.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Is he.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: Is he really still the star that a network's gonna
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: be like, yeah, we're gonna or should be like, yeah,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: we're going to uh center hour and then center's it
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: not maybe not the right word, but we're gonna center
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: our broadcasts, our NFL broadcasts around that guy.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 4: I feel like Russell Wilson's star has always been a
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: little bit too inflated, and I'm not and I think
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: that's still the case right now.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: But that's fine.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like CBS has had an incredible
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 4: star former star player on their broadcast since like Dan
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: Marino and Shannon Sharp left, So I guess it's par
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: for the course. Did you hear the Chicago mayor telling
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 4: his traffic story talking about how bad traffic was at
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: Soldier Field?
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Now I missed that. Okay, this is just another example
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: of why unless you're an actual sports fan as a politician,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: and plenty of them are right, we've got sports fans
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: here in political office in the state of Utah, but
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: I think have like some informed takes, some reasonable opinions,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: sometimes unreasonable. But there's plenty of politicians who feel like
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: they should talk about sports because it's part of their
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: their own like voting bases life, and they have no
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: idea what they're actually doing. Well. Chicago's mayor, I didn't
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: realize this until I read the article. He's pretty in battled.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people who find him to be
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: quite incompetent, and that is often the case with mayoral.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: Candidates and or mayors in large cities.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: They were talking about the traffic at Soldier Field as
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: part of this whole you know, potential relocation of the
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: Bears and of soldier field of the Bears home stadium,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: I should say to Hammond, Indiana, to the other site
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: that they were talking about in another Chicago suburb, and
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: he was like, yeah.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: Man, you know how bad the traffic is.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: I went to a Bears game and I was leaving
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: early because the Bears were losing, and it was a
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: Packers game, which is of course going to make people
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: that we were getting beat by the Packers. So I
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: decided to leave early to beat the traffic. Your politician,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: never admit that you did that. Okay, Ever, all the
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: Bears fan voters are just be like, oh, you're one
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: of those.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 3: You're one of those guys.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: And his the point he was trying to make, and
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: he thought he was just like he thought he was
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: getting to win. Here thought he was cooking. He's like,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: you know how bad traffic is. We're getting beat by
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: the Packers. I decide I'm leaving to beat traffic. And
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: the Bears came back and won. I was still in
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: the parking lot in my car when they came back
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: and won. That's how bad the traffic is.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: And I was just like, Okay, idiot, hold on, he's
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: not talking about the playoff game.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: Where they came back and beat the Packers. Is he
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: that makes it even worse? Did they did they come
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: back and beat the Packers in another game?
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: There might have been one in the regular season. I
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: can't I'm not thinking of right now, but there's that
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: certainly happened in the playoff game at Soldier Field this year.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: That's a Oh, that's a bad look. I think it's
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: I think it's the playoff game. That's a bad look
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: by the mayor of your city. So I'm at the
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: playoff game, I'm like, let me get out of here
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: to beat the traffic. And then Caleb Williams hits Romadonsay
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: on fourth and eight and I'm listening to it in
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: my car. I haven't even gotten out of the parking
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: lot yet. That is tone deaf of the highest order.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: Also, if the Packers had won that game, you're also
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: pissing off the base because they're like, thanks.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: For reminding us.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 4: We hate the Packers and we've lost to a bunch
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: of times until last year, a bunch of times in
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: a row.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Thank you for reminding us. Another heartbreak there, Thank goodness.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: The Bears one.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 4: They aren't mad about that part, but yeah, that's just
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: that's terrible. He thought he was cooking, like like, you know,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: let Russ cook. Call back to Russell Wilson News. So
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: let me cook, mister mayor so.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: And by the way, this was on a sports talk
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: radio show in Chicago, so it was it was sports
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: fans that were listening, Bears fans that were listening.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: So this guy, Brandon.
• 1:39:14
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• 1:39:18
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• 1:39:22
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• 1:39:24
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• 1:39:27
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• 1:39:30
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• 1:39:33
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  Speaker 11: How are you hey, How are you man? Thanks for
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Game one of these NBA Finals and New York Knicks
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: come away with a ten point victory. How close did
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: that thing play out to the way you thought it would.
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  Speaker 11: It did not play out the way I thought it would.
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  Speaker 11: I thought that when San Antonio particularly pulled away and
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 11: was up fourteen in the third quarter, that they would
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 11: just kind of cruise after that. And I think the
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 11: problem was they also felt that way, and it looked
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 11: like they took their foot off the gas a little bit. Now.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 11: They went to some substitutions, to some backups there, and
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 11: the game got away from them pretty quickly there. All
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 11: of a sudden, it went from fourteen to six very quickly.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 11: And then even when when Minyama and some of the
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 11: starters came back in it, they were in a real
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 11: dogfight at that particular point. But there were a few
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 11: things that surprised me. I would say from the San
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 11: Antonio side, how far when Minyama started, when he was
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 11: initiating offense from the basket, the average was about seventeen feet,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 11: which is way too far for someone like him. That's
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 11: the second furthest he's had this postseason. I believe it
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 11: was Game three of the Portland series in the first round,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 11: which was the one with where he started a little
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 11: further away from the basket, and that was certainly a
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 11: thing that we saw during the Western Conference Finals too,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 11: that he kind of floated in and out in regards
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 11: to how close or far he was from the basket.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 11: But their success clearly is when he's closer. The other thing,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 11: the thing that didn't surprise me though, was Jalen Brunton
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 11: finishing the game the way he did, because that's just
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 11: who he's been. He was the most clutch player two
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 11: years ago in the NBA and he continues to be
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 11: one of them, if not the most clutch player in
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 11: the sport, and we saw that on full display despite
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 11: having real struggles early on, both from an injury perspective
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 11: and from an efficiency perspective.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: So the Victor wom Minyama question is, you know, can
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: he take over in a series like this against the
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: team like New York and Karl Anthony Towns and Mitch
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: Robinson did I think did a good job against him
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: in Game one. I don't anticipate he's going to have
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: many games where he turns the ball over six times
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: and shoots poorly from three and shoots poorly from the field,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: and maybe it is a product of what you were saying,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: initiating that offense too far away from the basket. There's
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: obviously a lot more to it for san Antonio than
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: just getting better games out of Victor Wimbinyama. But you know,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: the way that he has coached and the adjustments that
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: we saw them make in the Western Conference Final with
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: him in particular, do we get that for game two
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 2: when they take on New York again? Oh yeah.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 11: I think their level of execution was some bar yesterday
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 11: in a lot of different ways, So I would imagine
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 11: we'll see him be a lot better in this next game.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 11: I mean, think about it. He had a really bad
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 11: Game five in the Western Conference Finals, and then I
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 11: thought played phenomenally in Game six, and then in Game
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 11: seven he played very well as well against Oklahoma City.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: So I'm not worried much like him.
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 11: I know he said something similar yesterday in his press conference.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 11: I feel like san Antonio will fight back and we'll
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 11: be one one heading back to New York. But to me,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 11: the one thing, if I'm san Antonio, need to figure
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 11: out what's going on with darreon Fox, because I know
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 11: he's been dealing with some injuries. But it felt at
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 11: times watching him that the moment might have been a
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 11: little big for him, and I think that he just
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 11: looked really hesitant at times out there.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: I was about to ask you who the second most
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: important player in this series is for san Antonio, and
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: if he's going to continue to play poorly, I think
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: it makes him, by default on the wrong end of
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: the spectrum, a more important player than maybe they want
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: him to be.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: But is there a fix?
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, listen, he's a veteran man. This is
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 11: something he's going to have to work through. And I
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 11: get it he's dealing with some injuries still, probably that ankle.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 11: It was a high angle spraying. You don't recover from
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 11: that very quickly, So I'm not trying to give him
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 11: an excuse. It is the reality of what he's dealing with.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 11: But if you're playing, you know that's the deal. Like,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 11: the expectation is you're going to play at the very
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 11: least a level, at a level of basketball where you're
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 11: not going to be a detriment to the team. I
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 11: would say this the one thing I would look at
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 11: if I were saying he was playing Dylan Harper Moore.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 11: I know he hasn't played a ton more than twenty
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 11: eight minutes per game in any game this postseason, but
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 11: he's young and he's certainly capable, and I thought he
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 11: was their best player on the floor last night. I
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 11: do think Stefan Castle can give them a little more,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 11: although what he gives them defensively is so impressive too.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 11: You know, he's as good of a point of attack
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 11: defender as anyone in the sport I think right now,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 11: and he's only in his second year. But yeah, I
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 11: think that that guard play just needs to be better.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 11: They're at their best when Victor is doing his thing
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 11: and those three guards are cooking too.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 7: For sure.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: We had Gordy Chias in studio early earlier today, longtime
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: NBA assistant, and he pointed out the quirky, fun little
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: stat that Josh Hart. Nobody except for Dennis Rodman has
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: had a game like he had in Game one with
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: fifteen rebounds and no turnovers and he only scored three points.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: But his role in this series is that it is
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: that what we're going to see from him, where he's
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: just that guy making those hustle plays, crashing the boards
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: on both ends and and sometimes occasionally making Wen Binyam's
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: life difficult.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 11: Yeah, that's what he's best suited for, that's for sure.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 11: It's funny you mentioned Dennis Rodman because that was the
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 11: same comparison that Carling Anthony Towns just made to me
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 11: just literally less than an hour ago, when he and
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 11: I were talking about Josh Hart's impact. And yeah, I mean,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 11: I think that's just what he does. He's a disruptor
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 11: on defense. He's an energy player, he's a hustle player.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 11: If he gives you baskets, to me, that's a bonus.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 11: That's just gravy. And I know he had that monster
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 11: game against Cleveland, But to me, what you saw yesterday
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 11: is really the epitome of what Josh Hart brings to
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 11: the table.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: This series obviously got another one in San Antonio, but
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: if the ticket prices are any indication what this thing
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: is going to be when it heads back to the Garden,
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: it will be for the ages. What do you anticipate
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: when this series gets back to New York.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 11: It's a great question. I'm expecting everything and anything, Like,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 11: I don't know what to expect. I guess expect the unexpected.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 11: When we get to New York. The energy will be
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 11: off the charts. You know, I've been in a lot
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 11: of NBA arenas in my career, and I don't think
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 11: we'll ever be able to anticipate what we're going to
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 11: get for that Game three at the Garden, when this
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 11: next team in the Finals as likable the next team
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 11: as they've maybe ever had to be honest with the
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 11: at least in my lifetime. I wasn't around when Willis
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 11: Reid and those guys won the championship, and certainly those
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 11: Patrick Ewing teams were fun to watch in a lot
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 11: of ways, but I don't know if they had the
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 11: type of endearing characters that this particular group has, at
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 11: least to the general public. I would say certainly to
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 11: New Yorkers, but I think just overall just a very
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 11: likable team, which is not something you normally correlate with
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 11: the Knicks.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: George Sodano's our guest here on the Sean O'Connell show
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: for a couple more minutes. He's on the coverage for
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: these NBA Finals Game one win to New York in
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: San Antonio, the Spurs will try to even it up
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: before they head back to New York, where As I
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: just mentioned, ticket prices are absolutely insane and it is
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: going to be quite the spectacle. And at the risk
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: of leaning into a tired trope, this is this series
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: feels like a win win for the NBA because either
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: your biggest rising star gets his first NBA championship or
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: the New York Knicks win an NBA championship and the
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: largest media market and this legendary team, this franchise that
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: hasn't had that kind of success in a long time,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: climbs back to.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: The top of the mountain.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: But if the League office had its drugs, if there
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: was one one thing that serves the NBA better, is
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: it Wemby starting his run of maybe generational greatness now
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: with a championship, Or is it this New York Knicks
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: team capping off one of the great stories in the NBA.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 11: Yeah, look, I mean that's a tough question. But what
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 11: I would say is I don't think this Nick team
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 11: is a generational team, where I think when Minyama is
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 11: a generational player, and I think the Spurs are set
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 11: up for success for a really long time with Stefan
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 11: Castle and Dylan Harper as part of a big three
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 11: with one Minyama, and I think they will get their
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 11: championship or championships. So I think the better story for
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 11: twenty twenty six would be the NIXT ending their fifty
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 11: three year drought and having that one championship that they
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 11: can celebrate and having New York just go bonkers. So yeah,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 11: I think it would be that. If you're making me
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 11: kind of like split hairs here, it would probably be that.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 11: But I think any of the two results, to your
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 11: point earlier, would be fantastic for the league.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: I want to get away from the finals here for
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: a second because we've got a very exciting NBA draft
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: coming up. Four fans here in Salt Lake City, the
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: Jazz drafting number two. Obviously, Aj Debonsa and Darren Peterson
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: are considered the top two talents here, and we've had
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: these conversations back and forth, like, well, do you have
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: to care about which guy will want to stay longer
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City because AJ's got these obvious links
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: to the to the state, into the franchise, and Darren
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: Peterson does it. Necessarily You're all over the league, right
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: You get to go to every NBA arena and you
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: get to talk to these players on a level.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: That we never get to.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: And so maybe you could tell me we're getting these
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: surveys that come out that Utahs they're not the bottom
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: of the league when it comes to player perception.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: And where would you least like to play. That's Memphis
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: for now.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: But do you get a sense that Salt Lake City,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: that the Utah Jazz are maybe becoming, if not more desirable,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: at least less of a pariah in the NBA.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Look, I like Ryan. I think people like Ryan.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 11: I think that it starts there, right, you know. I
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 11: think that with age in that group, they're building something.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 11: I think that you know that helps, right. I think
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 11: when you're losing, that makes things even worse, you know
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 11: what I mean? And they have, you know, chosen to
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 11: take a certain path for a while now. But you
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 11: know that fan base in that building is as good
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 11: as any in the league.
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: When the team is good.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 11: I don't think there's any question. I would say that
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 11: they're very supportive even when the team is not very good.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 11: But when when the team is rocket, I mean, that
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 11: place is insane and it's tough for opposing players, So
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 11: for the home team, it's fantastic. But yeah, look, I
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 11: think that I think Utah being good again would be
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 11: good for the West because there's plenty of history there.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 11: I think that, you know, there's already natural rivalries that
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 11: can take place, and you know, again, I just think
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 11: that they will be back on tracks. They got a
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 11: good owner, they got a good front office, and I
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 11: don't think you can go wrong with either guy. Obviously,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 11: de Bonsa makes a ton of sense for obvious reasons,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 11: and I understand the I just said hesitation with Peterson too,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 11: but he is as good a player as anyone in
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 11: this draft, and as far as the score, he might
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 11: be the best guy. So it really just depends on
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 11: what it is you know you guys need and how
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 11: the draft ends up falling to you. I think either
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 11: guy is going to put you guys in a really
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 11: good spot. And I think that now that the team
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 11: is focused on winning again, I think that everything will
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 11: start to kind of work itself out, and that includes
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 11: players wanting to play there.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: And I guess this circles back to the finals, but
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: you know, the jazz, it's fun rounding into a time
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: where tanking is going to be punished. When you don't
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: have to tank, that's good for the Utah Jazz, and
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: we think that they'll actually get out there and they'll
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: compete and maybe be like a playoff team sooner than later.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: And then you look at the West and you look
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: at San Antonio already being in the finals in Victor
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 2: wiman Yama's third year, and you look at an Oklahoma
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 2: City team that maybe have some salary things to work out,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: but they're a young team with you know, a championship
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: under their belt and a bunch of star potential, and
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: you look at it and say, well, you can't just
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 2: get good if you're the Utah Jazz. You have to
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: get really dang good, and you probably have to do
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: so fast because you're gonna have to be competing with
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: this San Antonio team, with this version of Oklahoma City
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: at least for a couple more years. Who knows what
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: Denver's going to be in the near future. Who knows
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: who else is on the come up. So as the
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: Jazz try to close that gap, I mean, how big
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: is it?
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 11: Oh, it's pretty big, But it starts with you guys
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 11: putting together a team. And again it goes back to
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 11: the group that you have there understanding what it takes
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 11: to win right, It's not going to be an easy
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 11: task by any stretch of the imagination because I think
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 11: that not only San Antonio, but to your point, Oklahoma
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 11: City to me, is not going anywhere anytime soon. I
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 11: actually think Oklahoma City, you know, if you I agree
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 11: with what Jayalen Williams said post that series, right, if
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 11: he's healthy, they win, and they probably end up winning
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 11: the title again in my opinion, because they're the deepest
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 11: team in the sport. So yeah, there's a gap, there's
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 11: no question about that. But the interesting part about this
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 11: league in the way it's currently structured, is that the
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 11: financial ramification is not to bore your audience too much.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 11: Of the salary structure and the salary cap structure.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: Is so punitive.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 11: It's just hard to keep teams together for too long.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 11: Like you've got windows of three to five years max
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 11: in most cases. So I think because of that, there
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 11: will be opportunities for other teams here, you know, within
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 11: a certain amount of time.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: Georgie, I know.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: You're up against it, and we appreciate you giving us
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: some time today. I know it's a busy time with
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: the finals happening right now, so thank you. We'll have
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: you on again soon.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: You got it.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me George Sodano on the Finals coverage
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: for ESPN. He hosts his own radio show in Los Angeles.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: He is a Southern California lifer and you'll see him
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: and hear him some time on college football coming up
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: this fall.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: Great stuff from George Sodano.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: Big thanks to James for making that one happen, because,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: like I said, it's a very very busy time of
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: year for George Sodano.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: I know we touched on this.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: A little bit earlier and maybe you're out there listening like,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: why does he get so obsessed with these things? Well,
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: because the fan experience in sports, to me is a
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: good one.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: It's an important one.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: It's something that we cannot lose a connection to. And
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 2: we've had these conversations at different points with every sport, right,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: NFL season tickets are now punitively expensive because you don't
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: just have to pay for the tickets, you have to
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: pay for the personal seat licensing fee, which just doesn't
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: make sense. Right. Every new stadium that's built, you go
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: through this process where the local news there will cover
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: all this. This family that's had season tickets for fifty years,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: can't renew now because it costs fifty grand per seat
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: plus the costs of the actual tickets. Right, And we
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: were talking about this with Gordy Chase earlier. If you
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: want to go to the Garden for one of these
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: NBA Finals games.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 3: You can't be a normal person. You can't be a
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: normal fan.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, we were talking about the Winter Classic
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: right coming to Salt Lake City. Those tickets are crazy
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: expensive relative to what we're used to. But you know,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: if you're fortunate enough, and I knock on wood that
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: right now, I am. If you're fortunate enough to be
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: able to afford a couple of tickets to maybe take
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: your nephew or go with your sister, or hang out
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: with mom and dad at a game and have it
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: be a bucket list kind of thing. Cool, you'll fork
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: over the five hundred and six hundred bucks. It's gonna
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: cost you eight grand to get into the building at
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden. Now, if you have eight thousand dollars
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: to spend on a ticket, good for you. Are you
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: gonna go by yourself? No, So it's gonna cost you
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: sixteen grand. I mean, you gotta know somebody. We're gonna
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: talk with Spence Checkets about this. He had some designs
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: on trying to attend one of these games. I think
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: like he's he's thinking about it. Can I go to
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: Game three? Can I go to Game four? And he's
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: somebody who's raised in the organ and obviously you know
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 2: he's got connections that the rest of us don't have.
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: But if he goes, he's gonna be sitting in a
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars seat. How can you do this,
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: especially when you're already paying to live in New York.
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 2: Presumably the other side of it is the fact that
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: you can go to a game in San Antonio for
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: one tenth the cost.
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: That's a real number.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: Now, it's still expensive to go to a finals game
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: in San Antonio.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: But if your Utah Jazz.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: Are five years from now in the NBA Finals, you'll
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: probably pay seven hundred eight hundred. You'll pay one thousand
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: dollars to sit in a seat to watch the Utah
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: Jazz play against the Philadelphia seventy six ers or the
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: Washington Wizards or the Atlanta Hawks. Wouldn't it be nice
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: to see the Atlanta Hawks actually do something for once?
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: You'd probably pay that would you pay twenty thousand dollars. No, Now,
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: New York has that, right, New York has. I mean
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: they're the most the biggest economy in our country from
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: a localized standpoint, if I'm not mistaken. They've got all
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: these corporate schmucks that are there that are making big
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: time money. Their equivalent of the door to door sales
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: bro is the finance guys that are like on Wall Street,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 2: And I guess those numbers are a little bit different.
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 3: But man, I can't get over this.
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: How is a sports fan you are expected to actually
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: try to make this live, to try to make this work. Well,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: they have a Ben Stiller cam on television right now
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: from his court side seat, which, by the way, I'm
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: sure that like he has to pay for on some level, right,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: be Steller doesn't just get free tickets to a Knixt game, right,
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: I mean he he could is Timothy Shalomay and they're
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: sitting front row at the next game. They're probably getting
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: a free ticket, right because they're like the hottest stars
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: in the world, right, I mean, those two bigger deal
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: than Ben Stiller is right now. But Ben Stiller is
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: not not a big deal because he's a lot older.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: He's I mean, he's he's still you know, in like
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: big Time. There'll be another there's.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: A Meet the I forget the name of it, but
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 4: there's a new Meet the Parents coming out.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: I'm glad.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 2: I know that. I don't know.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 4: I know, I know that it's got Greg's last name
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 4: in it, but I don't remember exactly what it is. Yeah,
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 4: Greg's last name now with with Ariana Grande, Like that's
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 4: his first movie in a really long time, but he's
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 4: directed a lot of movies.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: Still he's still to you and I he's still big.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: I would love to know, like where the threshold, like
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: like Timothy shallow May, you're giving you're giving lisanl Gayeb,
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: you're giving the dude from Doune, You're giving Paul a
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: Trade He's yes, you're giving him that. You're giving Marty
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: Supreme a free ticket because he's what he is. He's
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: arguably the biggest movie star in the world right now. Yeah,
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's I think he is. Maybe it's in argument.
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: I think he's like I mean, as far as young
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: guys go, I think it's in argument, as far as
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: twelve year olds go, he's incredible. Yeah, and the fact
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: that he's with you know, a Kardashian with with that,
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: It's like they're like vultroning up.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: They're like power Rangers.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: Right. So yeah, I'm sure that Jimmy Dolan and the
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden crew are just like we have whatever
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: it is, fifty seats every night that we're gonna give
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 2: away to the glitz in the glam to shoot like
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: you know, these are the people make it look like
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: the coolest ticket in town. But is Ben Steelers still there?
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: What is the threshold? I think he could be. I
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: hope he is, because Ben Steelers like he's legendary, he's awesome.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: I think he could be like who okay, so son
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: of Frank Stanza, Okay at at Madison Square Garden. Now,
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: if if we talk about a Salt Lake City Finals game,
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: right and the Delta Center having like, all right, we
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: gotta get we're gonna give fifty tickets away to the
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: absolute royalty. You don't even have fifty that qualify in
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 4: And Ryan Smith is trying to convince us all that
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 4: there's fifty he can round he can round up. But
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 4: there's I mean, like if Carl, if Karl wants to come.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: If John Stockton wants to come, If Andre Kierlinko, he like,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: I still.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 3: Give him one. Yeah, right, you give the.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: Summit County, you give him to Lindsay Vaughn you get,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: you get Kalani Stake front row, you get Morgan Scalley
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: front row.
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 4: If he who shall not be named wants to fly
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 4: in from ann Arbor, you would probably give him. You
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 4: probably hook him up as well, right, So like I
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: think that. But with the New York Knicks.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine going through the list of requests, There's like, guys,
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: does George Constans account, does Jason Alexander get a free ticket?
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: Jerry Seinfeld still a big enough deal? And there you
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: know what Jerry, yes, George, Yes, Kramer, you ain't getting
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: a free ticket? Sorry, Elaine, yes, yes, I mean she's
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: especially she she's done than George, Yes, she's veep was great? Right,
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: But like in New York, you're going okay, Patrick Ewing,
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: Yes you get one. Charles Oakley, No, he doesn't even
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: get to request its read okay, John Starks, Sorry, man,
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: you can't come for free. You got to buy a ticket.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: You know how crazy it is, how that's got to
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: be in New York City. Yeah, Spence check its you
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: make the list, you're in.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 4: See he's joked about he's probably on He's probably on
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 4: the list of of A Dolan's security team. You gotta
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 4: watch that guy and his dad everywhere they.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: Go like they do some people in that arena.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's on the uh oh by the way and
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 4: the sphere in Vegas and all the other places that
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 4: he owns.
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: And they're building a new sphere. Where's that going. I
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: think that's right.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe they don't, I mean, don't go there if you
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: value your privacy. You know what's funny. When we did
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: the last PFL show in Riod, Saudi Arabia, they have
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 2: a spe It's not an MGM sphere. They have a spere.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: It's just like they do, like they stole the idea.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: They look similar. It's the exact same, Okay, it's just smaller. Okay.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: It's just like there's like a fifty like a two
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: size replica.
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 4: There's a Davis County in a real rural area of
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 4: Davis County. They've got it's I don't know if it's
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 4: a water tower or what it is, but it looks
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 4: like a little soccer ballish thing with a tower on
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: a tower. I always joke that's that's our sphere where
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 4: you're talking about up on top of the mountain. No, no, no,
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 4: it's in the it's in it's in an empty field
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 4: because there's like a weather station.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, there's there's lots of weather stations.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 4: This is this looks like a similar type thing, but
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 4: it's a little sphere, spherical thing.
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I love the sphere.
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: So if you're a celebrity right now, the way that
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: you gauge how big a deal you are is you
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: send a ticket request to Madison Square Garden for this
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: Game three or Game four of the NBA Finals, and
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: do you have to pay for them or not? If
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: you have to, If they're like, yeah, sure, we reserve
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: a ticket for you. It's gonna cost you fifty grand,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: then you know you're like a B Like you're like
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: an eight minus celebrity. You have to be the A
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: plus celebrity if you're getting a free ticket to one
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: of these games. Tracy is Tracy Morgan. One of the
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: plays he so Tracy Morgan. For me, I've never been
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: a fan of anything he's done. However, he's like a
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: big time New York celebrity. Yeah, like he's very New
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: York and so.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 4: And Spike Lee is not as he's he's not as
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 4: big deal as he used to be. But because he's
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 4: like grandfathered into problem mary tickets. Spiked, he's because he
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 4: is a Knicks fan.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: Like, if you're Spike Lee, you're in a you know
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: how they have rent control departments. Yeah, you have rent
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: controlled tickets. Yeah, well you're you're paying the same season
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 2: ticket price or in the eighties. Yeah, they're just like, dude,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: it's the same price as it was in nineteen ninety two. Spike,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: He's like cool, He's like cool. Fifty bucks a seed,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 2: all right, anyway you.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: Want to you want you know how much fifty bucks
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 4: a seat could have gotten you, fifty dollars could have
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 4: gotten you in nineteen ninety two, though, I mean it
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 4: went along a lot longer away.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 2: You're right, I don't know because that's the Euros. But
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: I was, I was nine. I was buying stuff already,
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: old guy. I was buying I was buying trading cards
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: back then, Like yeah, I ripping packs at the card shop, man,
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: who I you know. I had a very hilarious debate
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: with my dad because I was trying to use allowance
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: money to buy this Patrick Ewing Rookie card that was
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: that I was a Patrick Euing fan. Yeah, And I
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna take my my chore money and
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go spend I think it was six dollars.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not even joking. I think it was six dollars
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: on one card, which in those days was like six
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: packs of cards. Yeah right. And I was like, I'm
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: gonna go buy this for six bucks. I only have
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: ten bucks.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: To my name.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go buy this for six bucks. And my
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: dad was like, no, you're not, because that is not valuable.
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: There's no intrinsic value to that card. That card means nothing.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: It's a piece of cardboard. I'm like, no, it's not.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: It's a Patrick Ewing rook card. And we had the
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: Beckett You ever even heard of a Beckett Guide. It
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: used to be a magazine that you could look up
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: the market price of like every card.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, it was like a hardcover.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: It was like a not hardcover, but it was like
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 2: an actual physical It was the Beckett and they would
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: renew you, showed you the value and it was there
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: was like a range and I'm like, no, that's like
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: I should buy that. Now people are buying cards for
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: five million dollars and my dad was like, no, that's
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: six bucks. No way, you're not spending your money. You've
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: earned this money. That's sixty percent of your your lifetime,
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: fifty percent of your net worth. Son like, Dad, come
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: on anyway, Patrick Ewing, don't you know all right?
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 3: We have another PGA Tour leaderboard update for you.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: We also have sound from Eric Weddle on the Rich
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: Eisend Show. It's the Sean O'Connell Show ESPN seven hundred
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: ninety one FM that you.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 1: Were listening to a Sean O'Connell show. It's your source
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 1: for the best youths football coverage.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 7: Here's oc from the Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN seven
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 7: hundred ninety two to one a half am.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: PGA Tour Leaderboard update from the memorial brought to you
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 2: by our friends at you went to Golf by Worldwide.
• 2:13:29
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• 2:13:30
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• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: of items one hundred dollars or less, golf shirts, golf pants,
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 2: club heads, you've got range finders, even range finders right
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: at that hundred dollars Mark Telemost he sent you when
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: you head into the physical stores at you went to golf,
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: all up and down the wasatch front, James Peterson.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 3: What's the leaderboard looking like?
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 4: So hold on, you're telling me you have to pay
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 4: for something to help you find the driving range?
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: Is that? Wah wah?
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 4: Ryan Gerard's your new leader at the Memorial. He's at
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 4: six under. He's still got two holes left, so he's
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 4: got a chance to build on that lead. JJ Spawn,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 4: Wyndham Clark, Tommy Fleetwood all tied for second. They're all
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 4: done for the day. They're at five under. Fifth alone
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 4: in fifth at four under is Nick Taylor. He just
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 4: finished his round, tied for sixth. You got a couple guys,
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 4: Sam Burns and Justin Rose at three under. Also Ludvic
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 4: Godberg just joined that group at three under. And then
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 4: Tony Fenow, if I'm not mistaken, is in the next
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 4: group unless he just dropped.
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: I think he just dropped out of that group.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 4: We have to we'll find where he is now, tie
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 4: tied for ninth, rounding out the top ten. Oh no,
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 4: he's in there, Tony fenw is in there, Shane Lowry,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 4: Ryan Fox, Taylor Pendrith, Brian Harmon, Scottie Scheffler as well.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 4: That's your PGA Tour Leaderboard update, brought to you BYU
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 4: Into Golf at the memorial. All right, we talked about
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 4: this earlier in the week. Eric Weddle made himself public
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 4: enemy number one in an arbor, Michigan, amongst the hardcore
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 4: Mason Blue the fans there. He did not like what
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 4: Eric Weddle said on a podcast about Bryce Underwood, and
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 4: then he went on the Rich Eisen Show.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: And Rich Eisen, by the way, one of those Michigan folks. Yeah,
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: one of those guys. So one of those guys we hate.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: See I bet I guarantee Rich Eisen has like a
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: burner account on goblue dot com or whatever. The Wolverines
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: he was, Dragon Weeddel. He's just like what he's talking about.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: It's probably like therapeutic for Rich Eisen to just become
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: the absolute dregs of the Internet when normally he's just
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 2: this hyper professional, exemplary example of what media is supposed
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: to be and then be very buddy buddy with Eric
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 2: Weddle when he comes on his show, Like, yeah, I
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 2: get your perspective.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, you're fine, Okay, Eric, I just want to tell you, Eric,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 3: you know I say he does that.
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 2: He says people's first names like fifty seven times during
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 2: the interview.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: Eric, what do you think about price Underwood? Eric, tell
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 3: me clarify your thoughts.
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 4: Eric, he forgets who he's talking to, and that's a
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 4: way that he remembers.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: It is, by the way, it is one of those
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: mnemonic devices. It's a trick that you can play on
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: your own brain if you if you say somebody's name
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: a bunch of times when you first meet them, when
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: you learn their name, then you'll remember their name.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 4: I did that. I did that when I met my wife.
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I gotta remember. I can't forget.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 4: I can't do this thing where I forget the name.
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 4: So thankfully she has a fairly unique name. Yeah, so
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 4: I so I said it a lot when we first met,
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 4: like the very moment that we meant Okay, okay, yeah, great.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: And you richising to your wife the name. I still
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 2: haven't forgotten it, so I guess it works. That's good.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: You're probably safe at this point.
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: Here's Eric Weddle on the Rich Eisend Show, clarifying some
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: of his comments.
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 6: I guess what is it is it? Is it something
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 6: that could be fixed? Is it physical?
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 3: Is it mental?
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 9: So?
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's a number of things.
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 5: It could be. Obviously how he was developed in high school,
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 5: then his first year at Michigan getting coaching or lack thereof. Uh,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 5: there's just a lot of improvement, both pre snap, post
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 5: snap rhythm, timing, footwork. Everything has to be in line.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 5: Like it's it's a sequence when you're playing quarterback right
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 5: like it's it's a quick it's a quick three it's
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 5: a three step rhythm, it's a three step with a hitch,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 5: depending on what the routes, what the coverages, what your
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 5: rules are, the progression and that just wasn't clean when
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 5: I watched him. And so therefore, the ball's on the ground,
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 5: the ball's not being thrown, the ball's inaccurate. So can
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 5: it be fixed? Of course they could be fixed. You
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 5: can work every day. Hard work can can alleviate a
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 5: lot of issues. Okay, so can he Yeah, but it's
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 5: up to him and it's up to the team. Like
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying what I saw, and if the quarterback
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 5: can play at a consistent level, whether it's him or
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 5: someone else, to give Michigan the best chance to win
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 5: a championship, that's who the coach is going to go with. No, no,
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 5: there is no you know you would hope nothing gets
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 5: in the way of playing the best and who gives
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 5: a chance to the team the best chance to win.
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 5: But listen, We'll see what happens at the end of
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 5: the year. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'll still wake
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 5: up the next day and coach football and try to
• 2:18:51
  Speaker 5: be the best I could be. And if I'm right,
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to go out there and be like, oh,
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 5: I'm right, it's not I'm not. My personality is not
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 5: like that. You know me rich and I I'm just
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 5: I know. I let lit a fire and listen to it.
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 5: I wish him the best, and like I said, for
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 5: all the young guys out there, okay, this is a
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 5: perfect example of not letting what people say on the
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 5: outside affect what you do on a daily process, especially
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 5: your mentals, like you know how hard you work, you
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 5: know how hard you're doing for your teammates and trying
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 5: your best that's solids a matter, not some guy on
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 5: social media that thinks to his opinion. And whether you
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 5: want to believe it or not, you had your story
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 5: can be written by what you do.
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 2: So online if you just read the people are like, oh,
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: he's walking back his comments, And no, he didn't walk
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: back his comments. He clarified there what he was talking about.
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: He gave more details on it. But he's absolutely right,
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: and he turns it into a teaching moment for the
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: same guy he's criticizing at the very end, because that's
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 2: our guy. That's well man, Yeah, I know, he's it's
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: it's a master masterful performance of like I think, unintented
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: because he clearly he we know you know better than
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 2: I do. He doesn't care if people don't like what
• 2:20:14
  Speaker 2: he has to say. No he doesn't, but he he
• 2:20:17
  Speaker 2: honestly Michigan people.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, unintentionally, he goes and deflects all the pressure that's
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 4: on that's been put on him because he said something
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 4: that a lot of people don't like and turns it
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 4: around and says Bryce is the perfect table. When someone
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 4: like me is criticizing you, you don't have to care.
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: And and Bryce doesn't.
• 2:20:38
  Speaker 2: And by the way, there's like, these young guys now
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: are better than any of us ever were, and probably
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 2: any of us currently are at compartmentalizing at like I
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 2: am guilty of this plenty of times where I'll be like, man,
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: what is wrong with these young kids these days? Because
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm the old man shaking my fist at
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: the clouds. But then when you actually talk, like we're
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: gonna have Devin Dan Pierre do a weekly interview with
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 2: us again, and we're gonna talk with Dev and Devin
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: right now, he's on social media, he's not overly active
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: on social media. Right during the football season, He'll be
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 2: off during the football season. These guys do compartmentalize very
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 2: very well. They'll shut it off. So if this comment
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: happens during the year, Bryce Henderwood might not even hear
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 2: about it, you know, and WeDo will not have to,
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: by the way, gloat about being right if he is right,
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: because that is going to be regurgitated and recycled.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 3: And the I told you sos, he won't have to
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 3: generate them.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: They'll come from everybody else, especially the Utah fan base,
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: who you know worships at the feet of the Eric Dalter.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: Did you see this video clip.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 4: By the way, we am not not showing you a
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 4: video and I just played it. The reason I ask
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 4: he's got where he is. He's got a bunch of jerseys.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 4: Not sure any of them are his. It's far enough
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 4: away you can't really tell other than the number. A
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 4: bunch of jerseys. I wonder if it's like jersey exchanges
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 4: he's done. Yeah, that's his home office. Okay, it's a
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 4: beautiful home office. He's got a huge wall of jerseys,
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 4: and you gotta love if you're a utes fan. He
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 4: knows he's going on video on National TV and on
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 4: ESPN Radio, and he decides, I'm I'm gonna sport my
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 4: UT's hat. I'm gonna sports my my circle and feather
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 4: hat good promote the program. One thing you will never
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 4: be able to say about this guy, even if his
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 4: kids go other places. One thing you will never be
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 4: able to say about Eric Weddle is that he is
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 4: not a ute through and through in a way that
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 4: is a lot more old school than people really even
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 4: fully appreciate. He's very much like Morgan Scowley in that regard.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 4: The only difference is he didn't grow up in the
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 4: suburb of so city, like Morgan Scouty. It's actually pretty
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 4: crazy when you think about it, that this guy spent
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 4: four years right he played as a true freshman.
• 2:23:08
  Speaker 2: He started as a true freshman. He played for four
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 2: years at this university. And he is a bigger supporter
• 2:23:16
  Speaker 2: of this university than he is of the Chargers, his
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: hometown team that drafted him and made his dream come true.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: He's a bigger supporter of the Utes than he is
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 2: of the Baltimore Ravens, where they gave his career second
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 2: life and he had, you know, really great years. He
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: was an All Pro and a Pro bowler, and then
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: even more so than the Rams, where he won.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 3: A Super Bowl.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: Like the dude has taken this four year snapshot of
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: his very illustrious athletic career and he has decided he
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: is going to be loyal to that in a way
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: that he is and he's loyal to all of his people.
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 3: But it's really really impressive.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: So you know, we're always going to defend our guy,
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 2: allow him to use his own words to defend himself
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 2: if he feels like he needs to. But I don't
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: think he needed to, and I think I applaud rich
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: Eisen as much as we'd like to be tongue in cheek,
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: he's like died in the Wold, Michigan dude.
• 2:24:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you listen to any part of the
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 4: Rich Eisen Show, which we played the first hour here
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 4: of course, right before this show ten to eleven here
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 4: on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM, if
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 4: that's all you listen to every day, especially during the NCAA,
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 4: the men's NCAA tournament, when Michigan went was winning and
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 4: then it ended up winning, you didn't even have to
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 4: know his history before that to know he is. He
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 4: is true blue, go blue Michigan Wolverine's guy all the time.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 4: The way that we just talked about Eric Weddle is
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 4: for Utah, That's who Rich Eisen is for his university.
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 4: And look he's Weddle's got opinions on your quarterbacks as well, Utah.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 3: He was very open about it last year.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 2: He wants Bird Fickland to be a big part of
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 2: what this team does, not because he doesn't like Devin
• 2:25:03
  Speaker 2: dan Pierre, but because he loves Bird Ficklin and what
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: Bird Fickland's potential looks like. So that's something we'll be
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 2: talking about as the season approaches.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 3: All right, we'll take one more break.
• 2:25:17
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  Speaker 3: Gordon Chiaza gave us this little tidbit.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Spence, are you.
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 6: Wearing a San Antonio shirt on purpose?
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: Yes? That feels feels directed in me. No, okay, I'm
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: just uh, I'm showing solidarity and I picked them to win,
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: so I'm just it's I believe in you guys. Also,
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 2: this is funny because it's not it's not a San
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: Antonio Spurs shirt.
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 12: It's a PFL San Antonio event shirt. Yet it's San
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 12: Antonio Spurs colors. Yes, they did that on purpose. I
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 12: also picked them to win and they still might. But
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 12: I was really I was really impressed with the Knicks.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: I was crazy impressed with the Knicks, especially Jalen Brunson's
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 2: close out abilities.
• 2:27:52
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: Just it's cool to see that when you don't really
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: have a horse in the race. It's cool to see
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: a guy deliver on that stage, that amount of pressure,
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 2: and you know, Jalen Brunson is now one of these guys,
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: you got to start putting him in the conversation. I mean,
• 2:28:07
  Speaker 2: he's been in the conversation of being one of the
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: best clutch players. But if he can, he can carry
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: a team that hasn't won a championship since nineteen seventy three,
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: past Victor Winminyam and this Spurst squad like he's a
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: Hall of Famer man.
• 2:28:22
  Speaker 12: The last point guard to win a championship? Is your
• 2:28:26
  Speaker 12: best lead offensive option? It was Detroit and Isaiah Thomas.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: That's wild.
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 12: Don't give me Stephen Curry. He's a unicorn. And he's
• 2:28:32
  Speaker 12: also about six four six four and a half. Isaiah
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 12: Thomas is six to one Jalen. I think Jalen's my height,
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 12: and I've never measured six feet. I'd like to say
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 12: that I have, but I'm like the five eleven six
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 12: feet guy.
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 6: He's not six to two, not even close.
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 12: And some of the questions we asked on the show
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 12: yesterday turned out to be answered in a very interesting way.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 6: First of all, in the regular season, it was Daron
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 6: Fox on Jalen.
• 2:28:56
  Speaker 12: I think Mitch Johnson might go back to that because
• 2:28:58
  Speaker 12: they went with Stefan Castle.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 6: It didn't matter.
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 12: I think they need steffond Castle to potentially move around
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 12: and try to deal with the big bodies of og Annoby,
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 12: and somebody's got to stop jo Josh Hart from cutting.
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 12: And the thing that they were able to do that
• 2:29:11
  Speaker 12: was really interesting is they allowed Winbnyama to contest their jumpers.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 12: And the reason they wanted him to do that is
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 12: to get him away from the basket for second chance points.
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 12: And I think they had eighteen second chance points. They
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 12: lead the playoffs and second chance points and San Antonio
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 12: is the worst team in the playoffs at stopping second
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 12: chance points. And it's because when Benyama goes to help
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 12: and then no one's behind you to rebound. So I
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 12: think I'm kind of changing the way I feel about
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 12: this based off of what I saw last night. It's
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 12: one game and everyone says, well, home court advantage, san
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 12: Antonio is winning to Oklahoma City in a game seven
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 12: and one in their building. Now the Garden is going
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 12: to be nuts. It'll be tough for them to get
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 12: a win there. But I'm not ready to say that
• 2:29:56
  Speaker 12: I'm changing my pick. But I was quite stunned watching
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 12: that game after San Antonio went up the way New
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 12: York adjusted and how they were able to get that done.
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 2: We were having a little fun figuring out earlier on
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 2: the show the celebrity row at Madison Square Garden, right,
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 2: like where the threshold is when you can make the
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 2: phone call and say, hey, I want a ticket, Because.
• 2:30:17
  Speaker 3: In New York it's a long, long, long list.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, in Salt Lake City, you couldn't even
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 2: fill the front row all around the floor with people
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 2: who actually deserve that seat.
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's not our list.
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 12: In Salt Lake City, you would be on it.
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 2: It feels insulting but also flattering itself.
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 12: What I'm saying is it's like, Okay, we've all the
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 12: Osmond's are coming, and then Sean, once you get all
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 12: the oss done.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 3: Perfect perfect.
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've seen those lists that they have to say
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 6: no to.
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 2: Okay because you have inside little inside basketball knowledge here.
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 3: Do they pay for the tickets?
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, okay, absolutely.
• 2:30:55
  Speaker 2: So Timothy shallow May and Kylie Jenner sitting front row
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 2: are paying a hundred ran for those seats.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 12: I mean, I don't know what the number is, but
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 12: whatever the numbers, they're paying for it. The I have
• 2:31:06
  Speaker 12: this funny memory as a kid in ninety two because
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 12: Ewing was on the Dream team.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 6: Every player every team that I had player on the
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 6: Dream team.
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 12: You had two full access situations with two staff members,
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 12: so like John and Carr were on the team. So
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 12: you know, I know Larry Miller was there with his children.
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 12: I can't remember who else the Jazz sent, but Ewing
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 12: was on the team. So we went and my dad
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 12: took me and my sister. My mom did not want
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 12: to go, so we looked out and I remember we
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 12: were at the track and field event and all of
• 2:31:37
  Speaker 12: a sudden, my dad goes, oh, another Spike Lee. I'm like,
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 12: what's wrong with that. He's like, we just raised their
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 12: ticket prices. He's gonna be right. And Spike comes, you know,
• 2:31:47
  Speaker 12: walking over like he's the bagel guy, getting ready to complain.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 12: And I look over and he's he's pointing at my
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 12: father like this because they had like doubled. If I
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 12: remember correctly, it was fifty grand a seat. Then that
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 12: was ninety two, and now that was for the season. Yeah, okay,
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 12: so I read this morning. The lowest ticket price to
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 12: get in the building is like eight grand.
• 2:32:07
  Speaker 3: It's eight grand to get in the building. To get
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 3: in the building is eight grand.
• 2:32:11
  Speaker 2: The lower bowl was like nineteen grand when we checked
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 2: while we were talking with Gordy Chiaza, and uh, I
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: did look just so you know, like we we often
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 2: talk about the evil Empire of Dolan and how he's
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 2: the terrible. There are two hundred and fifty tickets that
• 2:32:27
  Speaker 2: are being given away to underprivileged youth. There's it's called
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 2: the Garden of Dreams foundationous it is.
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 2: If I'm one of those underprivileged kids, I am fencing
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 2: those tickets, I'm selling them, and I am suddenly becoming
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 2: more privileged.
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 12: I was going to say, there are two hundred and
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 12: fifty tickets given away and will be available on Ticketmaster
• 2:32:45
  Speaker 12: within five minutes, and that's what you should do.
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: That's a minor that's a minor little lottery win. If
• 2:32:50
  Speaker 2: you can get that thing handed to you, that's wonderful.
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 12: So like that ceay, this thing you're not getting free
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 12: tickets to because if you won't pay, guess what, there's
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 12: somebody behind you who will.
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 6: And they're not pining for star quality.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 12: It doesn't it doesn't matter in the regular season, if
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 12: I remember correctly, I'm very rarely starstruck. But when I
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 12: met Denzel Washington, that was a pretty cool thing.
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 3: I would love to meet Denzel. He is my favorite actor.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 12: By the way, nicest dude like asked me. I was
• 2:33:20
  Speaker 12: I was in high school at the time. He was
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 12: asking me what I do. We were talking about basketball,
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 12: and he was like genuinely interested in my life. I'm
• 2:33:26
  Speaker 12: like and this was like peak Denzel Washington Academy Award
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 12: winner And if I remember correctly, Denzel had two comps
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 12: through Alan Houston's dad.
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 6: Because they were good buddies.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 12: But that's that's a rare thing because the players have
• 2:33:39
  Speaker 12: tickets and so they can give tickets away. But if
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 12: you're a celebrity and you call the garden, they're like, sweet,
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 12: what's your MX number? Yeah, you got two and it
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 12: just got you two hundred k or whatever they're paying.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: Yikes.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 6: This is capitalism, Sean.
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 2: That No, it's good. I mean, it's it's how it
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 2: should be. Yeah, so I guess you won't be able
• 2:33:57
  Speaker 2: to get me any free tickets to the garden.
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 12: That was gonna be what I well, I was actually
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 12: out of been surprised for you. I was able to
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 12: get two of the under underprivileged youth tickets to you.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 5: Know what.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: I'm sad is even I would put those up on
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 2: the secondary.
• 2:34:12
  Speaker 6: Cool.
• 2:34:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Have you looked at World Cup tickets, by
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: the way, I've been looking every day at World Cup
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 2: tickets because my wife was a college soccer player, and
• 2:34:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that would be really really nice to get her.
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 2: Her parents have a place we could stay in southern California,
• 2:34:28
  Speaker 2: so we're like, you know, just hop on a flight,
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 2: maybe make it happen. And they're the prices are coming down,
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: but they're still very pricey.
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 12: There's an article in the Athletic today because my son
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 12: was raised in the soccer world the way I was
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 12: raising the basketball world, so he just wants to go
• 2:34:45
  Speaker 12: to a World Cup game, and he's turning twenty five this.
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 6: Summer, so I'm trying to make it happen.
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 12: There's an article in the Athletic today that that's indicating
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 12: the US Paraguay game is far from sold out, thousands
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 12: of seats available because FIFA is being accused of price
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 12: Augine and claiming that there were fewer tickets available than
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 12: there actually are. So as we closer and closer to
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 12: the match, there's a potential that tickets will be released
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 12: at a better price point. But The problem is you
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 12: got to get airfare and hotel, and you can't really
• 2:35:14
  Speaker 12: count on that because what if there's this second wave
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 12: and suddenly the tickets are gone and you're just hanging out?
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it. Also, the parking in and around
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: Sofi is two hundred and fifty dollars to park, which
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 2: is just gross.
• 2:35:27
  Speaker 3: So I get it. It is capitalism.
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 2: You can't expect to go to an Olympics or a
• 2:35:31
  Speaker 2: World Cup game or something like that if you're not,
• 2:35:35
  Speaker 2: you know, going to pay the price.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 3: I do genuinely, and I mean this.
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 2: I do think it's important that sports remain accessible to
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 2: low income, average income people like do I want to
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 2: be able to afford front row tickets? Yes?
• 2:35:53
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 2: Do I think it's fair that somebody who you know,
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 2: didn't get to have their university paid for and all that.
• 2:36:02
  Speaker 3: Kind of stuff? Do I do?
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 2: I think those people should still be able to take
• 2:36:06
  Speaker 2: their kids to a game? One million percent. Yes, sports
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: should not be this thing that is only for the
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 2: hyper privileged. Front row tickets are always gonna be, but
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 2: I hope that we can figure something out with you know,
• 2:36:21
  Speaker 2: even like Mammo tickets.
• 2:36:23
  Speaker 12: Jazz tickets, Bee's tickets for hell's sake. Yeah, so this
• 2:36:27
  Speaker 12: article pointed out something interesting. I should probably give this
• 2:36:30
  Speaker 12: guy credit. I will on the show because I have
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 12: it part as part of my notes, but as a
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 12: result of what a lot of the numbers have shown,
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 12: which is a lot of people And Matt Slater is
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 12: his name.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 6: If you want to go check out the piece.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 12: It's called wi FIFA's twenty twenty six World Cup is
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 12: such a ripoff. And Matt goes through this exercise where
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 12: he you know, he talks about the data that we
• 2:36:51
  Speaker 12: have that a lot of people do want to stay home.
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 6: They enjoy staying home. They want to watch a game
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 6: on their couch.
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 12: They want to be able to go make a sandwich
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 12: and you drink their own hold beer and not wait
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 12: for an hour to go to the bathroom. So, because
• 2:37:04
  Speaker 12: over the course of the past seven eight years, COVID
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 12: had a lot to do with this, people oftentimes aren't
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 12: looking for the live experience that they do just want
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 12: to stay home and watch. What owners of teams and
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 12: stadiums are now trying to do is make your in
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 12: person experience exclusive, like like an experience you want to
• 2:37:22
  Speaker 12: have live, as opposed to just sitting down and watching
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 12: a game. So over in the UK, fans just want
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 12: to go watch the game with their friends. They want
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 12: to go with their soccer hooligan buddies. They just want
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 12: to go watch the game. It's fine. And if you
• 2:37:34
  Speaker 12: go over to you, if you go over to the
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 12: UK and go to EPL game, they've got concessions that
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 12: are like hot dog meat pies.
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  Speaker 6: Don't ever eat that crap. It's discussing basic beers.
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  Speaker 2: Disagree love a meat pie? You are nuts? Have you?
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  Speaker 6: You've had a meat pie in England?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Love meat pies.
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  Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 12: So you have no taste buds left? So your your
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 12: palette is gone.
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  Speaker 2: Oh they're so good.
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  Speaker 6: They are so disgusting.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 2: You're wrong.
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 6: Let me guess you like bangers and mash too.
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 2: I love them.
• 2:38:05
  Speaker 6: See that just means Juliet anything.
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: A hold on.
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 12: You're Mikey from the Life commercials back in the day.
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 12: Mikey likes it. Let Mikey try it.
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 2: You don't like a meat pie?
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 12: I don't know that I've ever had anything worse in
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 12: my life than a meat pie.
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 6: They're so discussed.
• 2:38:20
  Speaker 2: I've got some weird like a kidney pie or something.
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 6: No, it's called a refined palette.
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 12: But anyway, as I was, so fans fans over there
• 2:38:28
  Speaker 12: don't There aren't luxury bunkers.
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 6: There aren't like the high end.
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 12: Okay, you pay an extra five grand and you're in
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 12: the suite and you have an open bar, and you like,
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 12: it's just they go to a soccer game, whereas the
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 12: American sporting experience.
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 6: And I think we're going to see this here at
• 2:38:43
  Speaker 6: Ristycle Stadium.
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 12: At some point bunker suite's added some of the cheap
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 12: seats done away, Like even NFL stadiums are eliminating some
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 12: of their seats now.
• 2:38:52
  Speaker 6: Our stadiums are getting smaller.
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 12: And the reason is there so many people that either
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 12: can't afford to go to games or prefer to stay home.
• 2:39:00
  Speaker 12: What owners of teams now are trying to do or
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 12: make their arenas in their stadiums feel like a luxury experience,
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 12: so you do get out of your house.
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 6: That's why it's so expensive.
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 2: Happening to airplanes too, Did you know that?
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 12: I did know that Delta No more free peanuts, no
• 2:39:14
  Speaker 12: more free soda, no matter where you're at. Actually, if
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 12: your first class, oh calm down, I fly on the
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 12: lay down seat. Guys, stop it.
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 6: If you're in coach.
• 2:39:22
  Speaker 2: They're only getting rid of the free drinks for flights
• 2:39:25
  Speaker 2: that are under one hour.
• 2:39:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, are you sure it's three hundred miles?
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 6: Okay, Well I'll be flying coach to Portland tomorrow. I
• 2:39:33
  Speaker 6: will report back.
• 2:39:34
  Speaker 2: Because I go ahead and report back, you're gonna get
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 2: the tiny bag of miniature sun chips.
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 12: Okay, what about cheese? Its you could have cheese, it's nice.
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 12: You could have a Biscof cookie. Okay, all right, okay,
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 12: well then I'm set. If I can have cheese, it's
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 12: in a bisk Off cookie for free.
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 6: I'm good. I thought I was going to be paying
• 2:39:49
  Speaker 6: for my diet coke on the way to Portland.
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know, only on flights that are less than
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 2: three hundred miles, which is like like Vegas.
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 12: Okay, because my fear with this is it's it's gonna
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 12: lead to more people bringing in their you know, the
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 12: airport Chinese food that they bought. Bringing that on the plane,
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 12: which is nothing, will ruinal flight more than the lady
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 12: sitting down with what is that Panda express? Don't say
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 12: yeah like that. Let me guess that's good too, Okay,
• 2:40:19
  Speaker 12: Finally we found something. If Panda Express started serving meat pies,
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 12: Sean would leave the show early.
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 2: Really just completely flummox that you don't like a meat pie.
• 2:40:28
  Speaker 2: That's crazy behavior. Potential, Well, the meat was disgusting.
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 12: Potentially I had a bad one because I've only had
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 12: one in my life and I swore I would never
• 2:40:34
  Speaker 12: do it again.
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened was Spence had a meat pie threw
• 2:40:38
  Speaker 2: it on the ground. Mummy, where's my strawberries and cream?
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 12: Or now I have an English accent as a kid,
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 12: Why did I lose it?
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 3: You don't like the.
• 2:40:47
  Speaker 2: Just like the every man food of a meat pie.
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 6: This was like two years ago.
• 2:40:52
  Speaker 12: Okay, so I was not a child randomly with a
• 2:40:55
  Speaker 12: British accent. However that worked and it was disgusting. I
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 12: will never have one again.
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well you know what you like me pie? Okay,
• 2:41:04
  Speaker 3: So this is no joke.
• 2:41:06
  Speaker 2: We've done several fights fight events in the UK. We
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 2: did Newcastle, England, which is like a very It's northern England.
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 3: It's very like blue collar.
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 2: They have this little farmer's market where there's there's a
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 2: booth in there that is just meat pies and just sausage. Rolls,
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 2: which is like a hot dog with a croissant baked
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 2: around it. It's like a it's like a giant pigs
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 2: in a blanket, right, and my mouth is watering thinking
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 2: about it. I would go to this place and I
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 2: would just walk up to the guy and be like,
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 2: what's the best one? And he was this humongous He's
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 2: probably like six', eight this Humong he's like Hod.
• 2:41:44
  Speaker 3: Or just and he has the gravellest.
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 2: Voice And i'm, like just give me whatever you think is.
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 2: Best i'm a Random. American we don't have those over
• 2:41:55
  Speaker 2: in The. States we don't have. These and he's, like,
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 2: yeah good, job got it. Is and he would just
• 2:42:02
  Speaker 2: load me up with like two sausage rolls and two meat,
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 2: pies well a sixteen pound And i'm, like, wow that's
• 2:42:08
  Speaker 2: like thirty, dollars, okay BUT i love.
• 2:42:11
  Speaker 6: It what kind of what kind of meat was? In
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 6: are in these meat?
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 2: Pies, beef, pork occasionally a little bit of like duck
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 2: or goose or something.
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 6: WEIRD i must have got a weird. One you got
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 6: a weird.
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: One they're so.
• 2:42:26
  Speaker 6: Good you like pot, pie love pot? Pie AND i
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 6: what it.
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 2: Is it's a handheld pot.
• 2:42:30
  Speaker 12: PIE i enjoy a good hot, talk so maybe a
• 2:42:33
  Speaker 12: sausage and a croissan is more my. Speed we were
• 2:42:36
  Speaker 12: At stonehenge side, note don't do, That, okay it's a
• 2:42:39
  Speaker 12: waste of. Time and it was a two hour drive
• 2:42:43
  Speaker 12: out of the, city and before he got back in the,
• 2:42:44
  Speaker 12: Car i'm, Like i'm. Starving the only thing they had
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 12: At stonehenge and the line was a meat. Pie, yeah
• 2:42:50
  Speaker 12: And i'm so. Hungry i'm like excited for my first
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 12: meat pie and one bite and, yeah, disgusting AND i
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 12: swore off meat probably like out so like a. Liver
• 2:42:59
  Speaker 12: it probably was. Liver well then if it was, liver,
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 12: Sean i'm justified saying it's.
• 2:43:03
  Speaker 3: Horrible it's like probably pigeon.
• 2:43:05
  Speaker 2: Livers they just they shot off the stones at stoneheands
• 2:43:08
  Speaker 2: those weird druids pagans out, there.
• 2:43:11
  Speaker 6: And there were no other.
• 2:43:12
  Speaker 12: Options it wasn't, like, hey meat, pie sausage dog.
• 2:43:15
  Speaker 6: Whatever it was like meat. Pie this is what we do.
• 2:43:18
  Speaker 6: Here it's all you all you.
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 12: Have so when we went with the meat, pie had
• 2:43:23
  Speaker 12: a bad, experience but, uh maybe you've convinced me to
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 12: give it another, try all.
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