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Gordie Chiesa Hour on the NBA Playoffs, 6 series going 6+ games, Proposed new lottery system, March Madness expansion + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Come for the hoops talk, Stay for its list of
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  Speaker 2: the day, the list today, here's oh see with basketball
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  Speaker 2: so on Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: Well, welcome back to the shot On Condall Show.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome and our resident NBA guru, mister Gordy Chiasa.
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  Speaker 3: He's hanging out with us for the next hour or so.
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  Speaker 1: How are you sewing? I'm doing well, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: These NBA playoffs, man, like I said before the break,
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  Speaker 4: we are spoiled for entertainment in our evenings right now,
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  Speaker 4: even though the Utah Jazz are not involved in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 4: and we hope that changes sooner than later. These playoffs
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  Speaker 4: so far this year we're only in the first round.
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  Speaker 4: We got barn burner series all over the place.
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  Speaker 5: Yes we do. It's been outrageous. It's been a wonderful
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  Speaker 5: first round. If you're the TV partners, you are absolutely
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  Speaker 5: a static. And all this some young teams that are
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  Speaker 5: performing and some grizzly veterans are trying to hold on
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  Speaker 5: for dear life, and that makes it so important. And
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  Speaker 5: then there's two teams that are arresting right now. They
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  Speaker 5: are the defending champion Thunder and the second seed in
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  Speaker 5: the West, the San Antonio Spurs. So too arresting everyone
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  Speaker 5: else is what fighting for their dear life and that's
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  Speaker 5: the beauty of it. The catch word was the NHL
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  Speaker 5: playoffs and also NBA is physicality. Who can play physical
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  Speaker 5: within the framework of the game legally and take away
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  Speaker 5: the other team's easy scoring opportunities. And the better teams
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  Speaker 5: can do that. And the solo players, when they get
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  Speaker 5: motto a model body on body, can they perform And
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  Speaker 5: you can see that some people cherish physicality, others back down. Also, Sean,
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  Speaker 5: I'm worried about your wife, Sean. So you mentioned before
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  Speaker 5: about where you left and at. I don't know personally,
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  Speaker 5: Thank god, I don't know her, but for her point
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  Speaker 5: of view, but as you said before, she's as google
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  Speaker 5: wise over these hockey announcers.
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  Speaker 1: I worry about you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, nothing we could do, but nothing I can
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  Speaker 4: do about it.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe maybe you could. I could talk to him. Maybe
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  Speaker 5: I'm good with metal advice. I'm good at it.
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  Speaker 4: I like that, I'm good at I was surprised that
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  Speaker 4: the Lakers were not able to get it done against
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  Speaker 4: the Houston Rockets last night.
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  Speaker 3: With Kevin Durant ruled out.
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  Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna be more of a cakewalk
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  Speaker 4: for this Lakers team.
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  Speaker 3: But shows you what I know, No.
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  Speaker 5: You know a whole bunch of things. But the Lakers,
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  Speaker 5: they couldn't shoot straight. They shot from the field forty
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  Speaker 5: two and three point rants. He only made seven three
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  Speaker 5: point shots out of twenty seven twenty six point three.
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  Speaker 5: Luke Canard knocked down shoot a forty six percent from threes.
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  Speaker 5: He'd played great in the playoffs until last night where
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  Speaker 5: he couldn't make a shot and that affected them tremendously.
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  Speaker 5: But Lukekenard goes zero for four and he only scores
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  Speaker 5: one point, and that's was a huge factor of the game.
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  Speaker 5: Austin Reeves his first game since early April, came back
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  Speaker 5: off the injury, and he couldn't you also he misfired
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  Speaker 5: four to sixteen. Some of some of it was the
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  Speaker 5: defense of the Rockets, where they're tired of being pushed around.
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  Speaker 5: They've responded and the Lakers didn't. Last point about that
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  Speaker 5: was that Reach Shepherd. He's been much talked about as
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  Speaker 5: far as him being the point guard because Freddie van
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  Speaker 5: Fleet's out the whole season. But last night Sewan when
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  Speaker 5: it when it, when they were down, when they Lakers
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  Speaker 5: fought back to that game into a momentum and to
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  Speaker 5: a two point deficit late in the game, Reach Shepherd
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  Speaker 5: sticks that pull up jump shot on a short clock
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  Speaker 5: where they had to make it, and the very next
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  Speaker 5: possession he Bos strips Lebron James in the middle of
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  Speaker 5: the floor and he goes off and gets a solo dunk,
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  Speaker 5: and that would that changed the That changed the late
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  Speaker 5: part of the gate of the contest, and that helped
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  Speaker 5: that fueled the Rockets to win. The Rockets played last
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  Speaker 5: night hard hat defense where it was a do whatever
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  Speaker 5: mentality to get a road gritty win, and they did.
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  Speaker 1: Hots off to them.
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  Speaker 4: When you look at the way that this team performed
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  Speaker 4: in the absence of a superstar, and obviously the Lakers
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  Speaker 4: probably feeling pretty good because they've got Lebron who's been
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  Speaker 4: playing well. Reeves, as you mentioned, came back in this game.
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  Speaker 4: He did not have a great performance. Lebron also went
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  Speaker 4: over from beyond the arc, and that's gonna happen sometimes
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  Speaker 4: even when you're one of the goats. But what does
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  Speaker 4: it do for the rest of the series in terms
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  Speaker 4: of this Rockets mentality that they were able to get
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  Speaker 4: it done shorthanded.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they get confidence right now.
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  Speaker 5: The playing at home, it's gonna be outrageous game tomorrow
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  Speaker 5: and night. It's gonna be ye tomorrow night, and I
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  Speaker 5: think they're gonna win at home the Rockets. So now
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  Speaker 5: they get a game seven in LA and that's gonna
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  Speaker 5: be tremendous. As far as that, I think Rockets are
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  Speaker 5: gonna done. It gives them confidence. There a young team Chagoon.
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  Speaker 5: Their star inside player has been he played good last night.
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  Speaker 5: He didn't shoot straight because the defense is so powerful,
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  Speaker 5: but fourteen points, nine rebounds and eight assists, so he
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  Speaker 5: became really the almost like the points center the way
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  Speaker 5: they played. And Aman Thompson one of the best all
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  Speaker 5: round players in the NBA as a young fellas versatile.
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  Speaker 5: He had four steals and part of the reason why
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  Speaker 5: the physicality that Rockets had ten steals. So I look
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  Speaker 5: for tomorrow night them beating the Lakers, and then Lakers
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  Speaker 5: on Sunday beat the Rockets and advance on it. Sean
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  Speaker 5: right now there's a six first round series that are
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  Speaker 5: going at least six games, and that was that. The
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  Speaker 5: last time this happened was twenty fourteen, twelve years ago.
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  Speaker 5: And so talk about parody, whether it's the NFL or
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  Speaker 5: whether it's the Big Bad NBA. The NBA League of
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  Speaker 5: us is a static that there's so much as far
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  Speaker 5: as good play by either up and coming teams or
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  Speaker 5: status quo, and they're looking forward to it. So six
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  Speaker 5: first round series are now going six games or more.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, it's I don't know how much
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  Speaker 4: this matters to the league. It's very interesting to me.
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  Speaker 4: The Lakers without their leading scorer and superstar Luka Doncic,
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  Speaker 4: the Rockets without Kevin Durant, and we just talked about
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  Speaker 4: Anthony Edwards out right now for the Minnesota Timberwolves. You've
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  Speaker 4: got all these star players that are not able to
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  Speaker 4: carry these teams one way or another. And yet and
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  Speaker 4: still we're looking at really competitive series. I think in
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  Speaker 4: past years, my assumption would have just been, oh, that
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  Speaker 4: guy's out, they can't win.
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  Speaker 1: Teams are finding a way very much. And that's the
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  Speaker 1: X factor.
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  Speaker 5: Where players do step up and their roles change on
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  Speaker 5: the fly from game to game, and the ability for
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  Speaker 5: any athlete to adapt to the times of what does
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  Speaker 5: your team need you at this moment during the game
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  Speaker 5: and for the next battle. And that's what happens with
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  Speaker 5: players where the most powerful forces in the NBA playoff game,
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  Speaker 5: besides talent, is momentum and toughness. Those two things you
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  Speaker 5: need most times. You don't beat somebody, you advance past them.
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  Speaker 5: And that's how tough it is to win a playoff series.
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  Speaker 5: And that's why the teams that usually do advance, they
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  Speaker 5: have their elements of that most playoff games showing whether
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  Speaker 5: it's in the NFL or whether it's in the NBA.
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  Speaker 5: I call it it's a blend of ballet and wrestling
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  Speaker 5: both during the game. It's a ballet as far as
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  Speaker 5: your talent, and it's a wrestling match. And the players
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  Speaker 5: that perform usually mess to both art forms and that
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  Speaker 5: they create a airborne magic. So I just described right there,
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  Speaker 5: someone like Shay Jills Alexander airborne magic while still watch
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  Speaker 5: brawling under in the lane. And that's someone like we'll
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  Speaker 5: say Isaiah Hartenstein of the Thun there and if Victor
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  Speaker 5: renbiond but does both. He plays, he's ballet but also
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  Speaker 5: he can battle, as it shows how unique he is.
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  Speaker 5: So the playoffs, there's nothing regular about the playoffs. It's
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  Speaker 5: it's all based on matchups and the intensity and the
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  Speaker 5: velocity of the moment.
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  Speaker 3: All right, I want to try to stay on clock here.
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  Speaker 4: We have so much to talk about with Gordy, including
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  Speaker 4: the new anti tanking proposal that the league is pushing forward.
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  Speaker 4: We'll get Gordy's thoughts on that, we'll jump back into
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  Speaker 4: some of the playoff discussion. We'll talk about the rest
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  Speaker 4: that the Thunder and the Spurs are getting. Right now,
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  Speaker 4: all things hoop with Gordia Chiz. It's the Shan O'Connell
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  Speaker 6: One half M three two one lottery that's what they're
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  Speaker 6: calling it, the NBA's new proposal, an anti tanking measure
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  Speaker 6: that would actually punish the bottom three teams in the
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  Speaker 6: league with one fewer lottery ball than the peers four
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  Speaker 6: through ten.
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  Speaker 3: So is this going to work?
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  Speaker 4: Is this going to disincentivize tanking the way that the
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  Speaker 4: league hopes it?
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  Speaker 3: There will still be manipulation.
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  Speaker 4: People are going to try to make sure they're in
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  Speaker 4: that four through ten range instead of the bottom three.
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  Speaker 4: But it's a start towards making it less than favorable
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  Speaker 4: for your team to race toward the bottom. The rules,
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  Speaker 4: and there's a lot of different ones in here, and
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  Speaker 4: we'll get to them with Gordy Chiese, who's in studio
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  Speaker 4: with us.
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  Speaker 3: The rules.
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  Speaker 4: If you didn't listen yesterday, have qualifications, have preventive measures
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  Speaker 4: in place for back to back first round or top picks.
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  Speaker 4: Having three top five picks in back to back to
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  Speaker 4: back years in enhanced enforceability for the anti tanking measures.
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  Speaker 4: From a league perspective, I want to know what the
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  Speaker 4: fine print looks like on that, but people have already
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  Speaker 4: started to run simulations, by the way, on what it
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  Speaker 4: would look like if this year's draft odds were put
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  Speaker 4: into the new system. And you might not like the results.
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  Speaker 4: If you're the Sacramento Kings and you know you roll
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  Speaker 4: the dice and you end up with the sixteenth pick
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  Speaker 4: or whatever, obviously there's going to be teams disappointed. But
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  Speaker 4: you stop guaranteeing good things for teams who are not
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  Speaker 4: trying to compete, and that is the whole point. Gordy,
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  Speaker 4: what do you think of the three two to one.
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  Speaker 4: It's a start. I think it's really good.
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  Speaker 5: The model is based on the soccer league in Europe
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  Speaker 5: Premier League, where if you finish in the bottom three,
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  Speaker 5: you get demoted to the second division and the top
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  Speaker 5: teams in the second division move up into the first division, which.
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  Speaker 4: I love and I wish was possible in pro sports
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  Speaker 4: here in the United States. It doesn't make sense when
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  Speaker 4: you know the G League can't move up into the
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  Speaker 4: NBA and you can't have minor league baseball teams moving
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  Speaker 4: up into the majors. But that's effectively what you're describing,
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  Speaker 4: at least in European sockey.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely very much. And so the bottom three teams
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  Speaker 5: of each conference only get two lottery bulls, okay, and
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  Speaker 5: so they pedalized for losing. And again, what business do
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  Speaker 5: you have where you want to lose on basically someone
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  Speaker 5: on purpose to grant to get more odds. So the
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  Speaker 5: NBA decided to they want to incentivize winning. It's the
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  Speaker 5: opposite effect, So they want people to try to win.
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  Speaker 5: It's a better product for the fans because remember without
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  Speaker 5: the fans, there's no professional sports. That the fans are everything,
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  Speaker 5: and that you want to keep interest, especially after the
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  Speaker 5: trading deadline. So the way it played out recently the
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  Speaker 5: last few years, is that after the trading deadline where
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  Speaker 5: some team sean would have a fire sale where they
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  Speaker 5: give up a lot of good players to try to
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  Speaker 5: try to lose even more because the team was underperforming
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  Speaker 5: and to get to better lottery picks. This way, it's
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  Speaker 5: the opposite where it's insentitized to win. And Sewn's alluding
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  Speaker 5: to also there's one thing about where, in addition, no
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  Speaker 5: team would be able to win the top pick consecutive years.
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  Speaker 5: Sean long time ago that the Orlando Magic and expansion
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  Speaker 5: team picked back to back years Penny Hardaway and Shaquille
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  Speaker 5: O'Neill and then two years later doing NBA Finals in
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  Speaker 5: ninety five. So it does happen. So the NBA learned
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  Speaker 5: from that, and so they it's not allowable. And the
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  Speaker 5: last thing is that you're not you're able to the
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  Speaker 5: three consecutive years pick in the top five. So whether
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  Speaker 5: lottery balls are good to you, by active guard the
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  Speaker 5: man upstairs, you can't be in the top five three
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  Speaker 5: years in a row. That and also the last point
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  Speaker 5: about that is that is that you can't you can't
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  Speaker 5: trade as far as future picks all right through twelve
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  Speaker 5: to fifteen slots going forward, so you have to be
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  Speaker 5: so you can't uh when you trade protect those picks
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  Speaker 5: through for fifteen. Either trade them or you don't see
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  Speaker 5: either or you can't based on the lottery. If if
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  Speaker 5: if we pick number twelve this year, the pick goes
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  Speaker 5: to the two years later, you can't do it anymore.
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  Speaker 5: So it's good. It's a start. It's only a two
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  Speaker 5: year thing for twenty seven to twenty nine. This this
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  Speaker 5: is in place, then they're gonna reevaluate again the vote
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  Speaker 5: by the owners on May twenty eighth this year. And
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  Speaker 5: so I think it's gonna happen, and then we'll see
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  Speaker 5: the next two years how they tweak it.
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  Speaker 3: How much tom foolery do you think there will be?
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  Speaker 4: Now just a US did to the not to four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
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  Speaker 4: ten in trying to get because you want the three
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  Speaker 4: lottery balls. That's what everyone wants now, right, is the
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  Speaker 4: three and making sure that your one, two or three
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  Speaker 4: has been what you do in the past. In the future,
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  Speaker 4: our team is just gonna say, all right, we're just
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  Speaker 4: gonna We're still gonna lose on purpose, but we're only
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  Speaker 4: gonna lose to a certain extent.
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  Speaker 3: And it's gonna be four through ten.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Boy.
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  Speaker 5: That said though, even if that happens, is that you're
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  Speaker 5: still winning more games. This past season, for as the
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  Speaker 5: reference point, the Wizards won seventeen games and lost sixty five.
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  Speaker 1: Yikes.
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  Speaker 5: The Paces won nineteen games and lost sixty three. The
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  Speaker 5: Nets won twenty games and lost sixty two, The Jazz
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  Speaker 5: won twenty two games and lost sixty and the Kings
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  Speaker 5: lost twenty two games and lost sixty And then Grizzlies
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  Speaker 5: won twenty five games and lost fifty seven. This way,
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  Speaker 5: maybe some of those teams or other teams will win
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  Speaker 5: thirty two games, Sewan, And so it's just better. Also,
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  Speaker 5: how about how the players feel. I have a real
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  Speaker 5: problem if you're an NBA player and you're not and
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  Speaker 5: you go along with not playing to win, I have
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  Speaker 5: a real problem with that, Sean. I mean, hey, I
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  Speaker 5: want to play. I'm twenty eight years old, twenty nine,
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  Speaker 5: I have X amount of years in my career. Make
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  Speaker 5: this salary. Hey, I want to play. This is what
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  Speaker 5: I do for a living, Sean. I play basketball. What
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  Speaker 5: I'm missing is Sean.
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  Speaker 4: No, it's been the thing that we've tried to, like
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  Speaker 4: scratch our heads about for the last four or five years,
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: especially here in Salt Lake City, right, because I mean,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: we've seen a decent chunk of Lowry Marketin's NBA career
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  Speaker 4: now lost and you can't get that time back.
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  Speaker 3: That's wasted.
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  Speaker 4: A guy who we've watched since his college days, a
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  Speaker 4: guy who fits in really well here in the community
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  Speaker 4: in Utah, a guy who you know you should be
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  Speaker 4: seeing every time you go down to the Delta Center.
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  Speaker 4: You should be seeing Lowry market In Jerseys.
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  Speaker 3: But he hasn't.
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  Speaker 4: I know, some of it's been legitimate injury, but not
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  Speaker 4: all of it has, right, So you've lost three years
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  Speaker 4: of his career.
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  Speaker 5: With that set and his the numbers he's missed the
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  Speaker 5: last three years, showing a total of a one hundred
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  Speaker 5: and two games. Yikes, that's a lot of games. So
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  Speaker 5: it's it's more than a whole season. An NBA season's
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  Speaker 5: eighty two games. He's missed one hundred and two the
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  Speaker 5: last three And by the way, he's really a good player.
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  Speaker 5: Let's not forget he was an All Star once in
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  Speaker 5: jazz basketball. Yeah, he's good. He's a good player. That
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  Speaker 5: guy's a knockdown shooter. And so hopefully things like this
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  Speaker 5: will happen dramatically, lesser and lesser because again, the fans,
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  Speaker 5: they're the ones, they're ones that the NBA and the rightfully,
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  Speaker 5: so they're trying to reach out, especially showing young fans.
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  Speaker 5: Forget about the Oasters, but this the young people they
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  Speaker 5: trying to reach that they get excited about NBA basketball.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody loves the NFL, everybody everybody, and now hockey here
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  Speaker 5: in this area. People are really learning about playoff hockey,
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  Speaker 5: how intense it is, and it's great. NBA basketball is
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  Speaker 5: also great. However, you've got to win to keep what
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: you have to be successful by winning, to keep attracting,
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: showing younger fans.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: We were at the We're at the Layton Hills ball
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: yesterday for the Paris RV used RV event by the way,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: still going on through Saturday. You should go check it
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: out if you're looking for a fifth wheel, a trailer,
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: a motor home, anything. They've got incredible deals right now
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: about forty percent off brand new retail prices on these things.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: But I was talking to a guy up there during
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: a commercial break and we were talking about, Hey, you
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: know you're gonna go to the game on Friday, you're gonna.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Watch the Mammoth.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: He's like, man, I got season tickets to the Mammoth
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: and I got season tickets to the Jazz. And I
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: was like, oh cool. How many jazz games did you
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: go to this year? He's like, well, look, not very many,
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: because I was going to games and I'm seeing a
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: starting lineup. I don't even know the names of these players.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: These guys, they're not trying to win. So I gave
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: I gave people most of my jazz tickets. You're not
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: hearing that as much with the Utah Mammoth. And look
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: from the business still gets their money either way. They're
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: selling the tickets either way. But the fans, to the
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: point you're making old young whatever, the fans need something
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: to keep them engaged. Right now, this reform, this rule
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: change is potentially coming into place, Gordy, when it looks
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: like we think the Jazz are kind of graduating out
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: of this lottery odds conversation, or at least in earnest,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: we're hoping, yes, right, oh absolutely, yes.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: You get to pick this year.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: You use to pick, well, you develop whoever that is nicely,
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: And now we're talking about the Utah Jazz. Maybe you
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: get a lottery b because you're in your playing team
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: or whatever. But it's it's interesting the way that timing
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: has worked out here anti tanking measures. If I'm still
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: in the situation where you know, we rewind it two
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: years and the Jazz still need to tank, I'm going, man,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: this is gonna make this process a little bit more difficult.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: The timing couldn't be better for the Utah Jazz that
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: they're now going to start punishing tanking more aggressively when
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: they decide to stop tanking very much.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Oh, by the way, the Jazz have good players. The
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Jazz can score the ball offensively. They they they can
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: make baskets, and they're tremendous foul shooting team. They got
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: to address the issues of overall defense. They've been in
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: the bottom two the last two seasons. Shown antidis a
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: lot of times, showing younger people stop me a lot
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: of times in my travels and they talk about the
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Jazz to me. So I want to remind that the
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: fans about the Jazz franchise, the Jazz are a proud
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: friend the Jazz played. Jazz has been in the playoffs
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: thirty one times. The last time has been twenty twenty
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: two one time Utah Jazz. They won twenty consecutive playoff
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: appearances from nineteen eighty three to two thousand and three,
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: sure on twenty in a row. The Jazz advanced to
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: the Western Conference semi finals seventeen times to the second round.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: The Jazz advanced to the Western Conference Finals the third
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: round six times, with the less time being two thousand
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: and seven versus San Antonio Spurs, who the World champions.
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: The Jazz won the Western Conference Championship twice, in nineteen
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: ninety seven and in nineteen ninety eight. The Jazz are
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: running up NBA Finals two years also in nineteen ninety
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: seven and ninety eight. And from a smallest standpoint, the
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: Jazz have been Midwest Division champions eleven times, including twenty
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: twenty two. So the Jazz historically have always sewn been
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: successful through expansion as far as in the early eighties
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: to nineteen nineties to the two thousand to Collins Boozer,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Darren Williams, Paul Millsap, Memodo Corps, that crew, they've been good.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: And I'm not talking about John and Call and Jeff Hornisack.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: I'm talking about years later also to their credit.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: So before we take a break, you think that this reform,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: this proposed rule, it's got to pass the owners.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: You think the owners are going to vote in support.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: Yes, he had, John's the business model. Also we left
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: one part out the TV partners and the betting partners
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: want to have bought certainty.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: If I'm Ryan Smith, because you didn't enforce fines fairly
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: this last year. When I see that little fine print
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: about hey, we have expanded authority to prevent tanking, I
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: want explicit description of what that means. What does that
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: mean you're increasing fines or taking away draft picks? Because
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: if I trusted that the league office was going to
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: punish every team equally for tanking, I'd be like, all right, whatever,
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: But I don't trust that anymore.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: Well, fair point, the Jazz were picked upon last year
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: with the five undred thousand dollars fine because of they
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: set guys in the fourth quarter in consecutive games. And
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: my instincts tell me Sewan and my sources have told
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: me that it was based A lot of it was
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: based on the legally shown DraftKings, the betting arts during
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: games where people bet, you know, during games, which is
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: legally and that's what it affected things? And they say,
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: wait a second, Most times shown the betting arts are
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: correct ninety percent of the time. All right, most times shown,
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: you're correct ninety percent of the times. So you and
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Draft King are the two people I know that are
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: the smartest guys.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: That's right the time. Nine of the time it works
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: every time correct. All right, we'll take another quick one here.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: We got more playoff basketball to talk about with Gordy.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: I actually want to pick his brain about the expanded
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: college basketball tournament, another proposal being pushed through, and of
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: course Gordy's list of the day, all still to come.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: On The Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred and ninety two.
• 24:26
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• 24:33
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• 24:41
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• 24:44
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  Speaker 4: by Mountain Home Services. Before we get there, though, Gordy,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: we touched on briefly the Minnesota Denver series, the La
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Houston series. Orlando went up three to one on Detroit.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Detroit battles back. Find a strong performance from Cad Cunningham.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: The Boston Celtics you have told us you think is
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: the strongest, the strongest candidate out of the East to
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: win the NBA Championship this year. They're up three to
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: two on Philly Nicks Hawks, is three to two. Cleveland
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: with the former jazz Man Donovan Mitchell, is up three
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: two on Toronto. That is six different series that are tired,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: that are up three to two right now. And Orlando
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: they can they actually get it done against Detroit.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: We'll start there, Yes, yes, three two up Friday night
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: at home.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: They won.
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: They lost last night one to sixteen, one on nine.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: The power of scoring the ball through physicality, Kay Cunningham
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: forty five points franchise records. So think about Detroit Pistons,
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Isaiah Thomas, all the great players have played there over
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: the years, that he set the record of forty five
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: points in a playoff game, including foul line fourteen for
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: fourteen three throws. He has that physicality to his game
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: mid range jump shot I call bump and finish master
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: it all right. He was the first pick of the
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: draft in twenty twenty one. Polo ben Caro was the
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: first pick in twenty twenty two, a year later, forty
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: five points a Korea playoff high. So both guys first
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: picks of the draft back to back years delivered fur
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: their team. But the Pistons won at home, and now
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: it's ben Caro's chance to get it done tomorrow night
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: in Orlando. Franz Wagner, who's a tremendous player for them,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: might not play strained right calf, so that is apps
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: a factor for them. But I do think that the
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Magic're gonna upset as the eighth seed. They're going to
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: upset the first seed and advance to the second round.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: When's the last time that happened?
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Eight versus one upset? Okay, you know, I don't know.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: According to Google, it's twenty twenty three. Miami beat Milwaukee
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: for to one in the first round.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Does that sound right?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah? It sounds right.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Twenty twelve, the seventy six ers beat the Bulls.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: That was eight verses one.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Twenty eleven, the Grizzlies beat the San Antonio Spurs four
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: to two. Two thousand and seven, Golden State defeated Dallas
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: four to two. Go all the way back to the nineties,
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: the Knicks beat the Miami Heat in that was the
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: best of five back then in the first time. Absolutely,
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: And in nineteen ninety four the Nuggets beat of the
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Seattle SuperSonics three to two in the best of five.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: Sure it happened a lot, No, it doesn't happen a lot,
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: And that's what's the beauty of it, and that you've
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: got to stay the course though, And it all starts
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: and ends on defense. I know everybody loves the offense,
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: we all do it. Every coach in the history of
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: basketball loves offense. However, but the way to advance in
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: postseason play is your defense has to be solid and
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: you've got to have your star players have to guard
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter. They have to be able to
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: play defense willingly besides scoring buckets. And that makes it
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: so interesting for a team. So that what elite players
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: can play both sides of the ball to deliver the
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: knockout punch to win a close game.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: That's the question. Philosophically, we're gonna find out.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: What do you think of Nicks Hawks New York is
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: up three to two.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: One.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: I think that that Carl Anthony Towns when he's involved
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: in the Knickerbockers the chances of winning a t He's
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: averaging twenty points a game, eleven rebounds shore from the floor,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: fifty nine point three Jason, so they rebounding the ball.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: Jason Hart averaging ten rebounds, Brunton's averaging twenty eight point
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: two points per game and five point eight assists. I
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: think the Knicks get it done tomorrow night. I'm sorry tonight,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: it's going to be tonight in the garden. Fijim McCollum
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: has played well for them, Dyson Daniels has played well,
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: and Jellen Johnson has played well. However, they've got to
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: shoot the ball and have less turnovers. So I do
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: think that the next events, and they there's a third seed,
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: they beat the sixth seed Atlanta Hawks and go to
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: the second round.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: I mentioned this earlier. You believe that the Celtics are
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: probably the best team in the East. They have some
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: experience in not only the playoffs, but championship level basketball
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: that's still on this roster.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Can Philly force a game seven at least? Yeah?
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, yes, The answer is yeah. Jill on Bee's back now,
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: so they have no answers. He'll unbeid. He's having twenty
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: nine point five points per game, seven rebounds and seven assists,
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: and terse Maxi is absolutely stretches the defense where he
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: can score the ball in traffic, over the top as
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: far as three points shooting, and he's a shot creator
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: for himself and for others. Now, see the Celtics. They
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: live and die by the three. So the Celts, unfortunately,
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: they're playing regular season basketball where they shoot a high
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: number of threes, and when they're off they get compromised,
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: and so it's a huge risk involved. So if they
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: able to shoot threes and make them, they could advance.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: But if not, then the upset the seventh seed. The
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: seventy six ers beat the two seed Celtics. And that's
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: the beauty of the playoffs is that every possession does matter.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: You've got to value the ball and also value the
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: shot of choice, whatever it is.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to get completely off track here,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: but how much different would the NBA look in the
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: last decade if Joel Embiid was a consistently healthy player.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: Yes, they'd have probably a championship. The seventy six Ers,
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah they would. The coach, Nick Nurse does a tremendous job.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: He's good, he's crafty, he's innovative. They play zone defense
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: a lot of times to try to try to off
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: balance the offensive team of the opponent. He's been hurt
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: basically last five years. He won one MVP so far.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: If he was healthy, relatively speaking, he'd be right there
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: with the Joker and also with Shae Jos Alexander as
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: far as being a perennial MVP candidate. He can't stay
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: healthy right now. He's so far, he's been good and
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: when he plays, the chance to winning for the seventy
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: six Ers are much greater. Remember sean seventy six ers
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: are again another proud franchise. And by the way, show
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: remember the time the seventy six Ers, meaning the Eagles
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: in football, do a boomie Santa Claus and they are
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: throwing snowballs at Santa Claus during a playoff game.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Sean Sean just saying, Sean.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Gordy, you know this. You know this better than I.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: You spent a lot more time on the East Coast.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: But my sister in law, my brother's wife, is from
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: Philadelphia and so we've gone back several times family vacations,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: you know whatever, Philly, and when we do our fights
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: at Atlantic City, you fly into Philly and then you
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: take take the shuttle to Atlantic City or whatever.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the AC Expressway.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: It really a lot of cities like they don't they
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: don't necessarily live up to the stereotype.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I don't think Salt Lake City does.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of stereotypes about Salt Lake
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: City and it's not really like that. Even Vegas you cannot.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, you can have a great time in Vegas
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: that has nothing to do with the old Sin city thing.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Philadelphia, maybe more than any other city I've ever been to,
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: exactly matches its reputation when it comes to sports.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Correct.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: The people there, the fans are the worst. If you're
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: an Eagles fan, or a Flyers fan, or a seventy
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: six Ers fan, or a Phillies fan, you probably you're
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: probably just fine. If you're wearing anything else, someone's gonna
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: say something to you. And it's like at the airport,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: a guy in a shirt and tie is just gonna
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: be like a Jazz suck.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: You're like, what is that a rivalry here?
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: There's no there's no history between the Jazz and the
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: seventy six ers that we need to worry about.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: They're just that way very much. And that's they called
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: the City of brotherly Love. Question Bok, Yeah, question Marcus,
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: question bok. And also this this South Philly with the
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: crazy fans really basically a habitat and they have it
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: going right now.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And so Philadelphia, hey, for the seventy six ers.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: Now you're a fan there or just a basketball officiado,
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: is that you think you can upset the this the
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: proud Celtics will lead the NBA shown in most ever championships.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: They've won a teen titles, Lakers have won seventeen. Now
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: sean Monday morning, we're gonna find out this weekend who
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: advances and who doesn't. So we should get some Game sevens.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: We should great fight city.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: By the way, Philadelphia's they've produced a bunch of great fighters,
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: both MMA fighters and obviously even more in the boxing world.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: All right, I wanted to ask before we run out
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: of time. I wanted to make sure I asked you
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: about this NCAA change. They're gonna go to seventy six
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: teams in the NCAA tournament. It's expected to start next year.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: They're just like, they're not wasted any time now. James
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: gave us the best. The company line from the NCAA
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: is like, well, there's more Division one teams now, and
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: we want about twenty percent of these Division one teams
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: to be involved in the tournament. So in order to
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: involve twenty percent of the teams, we increase it to
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: seventy six teams. We've watched the last several years with
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: sixty eight teams, and that's already well more than enough
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: adding another eight.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: What do you make of it?
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm against it. I am the quality of the tournament.
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: I'm for I'm for every Here's what Here's what I'm saying.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: If you go to you go keep advancing it. Then
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: have everybody in then Sewan, have every team in Division
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: one plays in the tournament. Start start a week week
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: ten days earlier. Have everybody in then January madness. Yeah,
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: I mean asked that I would do literally then, Sorry, Sean,
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: when it was sixty four, it was really good, it
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: was good. There's there's also also shown with nil, money
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: also affects it.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Now there's less upsets.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Well, that that was the thing.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Dramatically, less upsets now, absolutely.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: That was the thing that bothered me most about this,
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: right because no matter what, an expansion of this tournament
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: is just a money grab, right, no matter what they
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: try to tell you, what justification you're given, it's to
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: bring in more advertising dollars, more television revenue, that kind
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: of thing. Okay, fine, I know that these university schools
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: conferences everyone needs to try to get as much of
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: this cash pie as they possibly can. But the product
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: of basketball on the floor since the NIL era and
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: the open transfer era has been deeply affected by like
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: the tournament itself doesn't look like it did five years
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: ago from a result standpoint, from an actual basketball product standpoint,
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: And you could have made an easy case, Gordy, this year,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: last year, the year before, we actually don't need sixty
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: eight teams because now all the best players are on
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: like these twenty four teams. So let's not just make
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: it twenty four. Let's make it we'll at least do
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: thirty two. We could even do forty eight teams. But
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: you can make a case you don't even need sixty
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: four right now because of how condensed the talent is.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Because Kentucky and all the in Alabama and Oklahoma and UCLA,
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: they're getting the guys that used to be at Old Dominion,
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  Speaker 4: that used to be at George Washington, and they're bringing
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  Speaker 4: them in and they're saying, all right, now, you're part
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  Speaker 4: of this thing. So as we are shrinking the truly
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  Speaker 4: relevant team pool, it makes even less sense to expand
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  Speaker 4: the overall pool.
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  Speaker 5: Very much, Sean, the obvious is never obvious to the oblivious.
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  Speaker 3: I love that quote. That's a Gordy chiaza is I.
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  Speaker 5: Was saying after the last fifty years show, especially in practice.
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  Speaker 5: Oh by the way, the obvious is never obvious to
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: the oblivious, often to players that take quick shots in
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: a game that really shoot crooked most of the time. However,
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: let's add to this is that the NL money has
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: changed the landscape of definitely the college football and also
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: with the power conferences and also the also college basketball.
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  Speaker 1: Where and yesteryear.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not living in the past, but there was upsets
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  Speaker 5: more often where three for fourteen we beat number three,
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  Speaker 5: or fifteen we beat number two, or even if it
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: wasn't upset Sewan, there was those seven ten games were
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: absolutely so intense where it was a buzzer beaters to
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  Speaker 5: win it. Now it still happens, but dramatically lesser in
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: the next five years out of even more so. And
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: so I'm for keeping the way it is, if not
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: streamlining even more.
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  Speaker 4: At the end of the day, March Madness was special
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  Speaker 4: because of Cinderella's stories. If you continue to strip away
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: the Cinderella stories, and I don't think that adding another
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: eight teams that are at the absolute bottom of the
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  Speaker 4: tournament barrel is going to create more Cinderellas.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Speaking of Cinderella, sean long time ago, when as a
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: probadist college we got to the final four sewing, our
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: team was called Cinderella in Comfort. Yes, I like that,
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: that was our nickname. We wore Converse and Cinderella because
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: we were and we evanced in the Watch Madness. So
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: the second you said Cinderella, I thought about Converse. But
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: speaking of Chuck Taylor's exactly right, Chuck Tailor, I know
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: it sounds weird, well, you know, Chuck Taylors, but it
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: was more better cushion on it, the heal and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: But Sewan just quickly, I know we' up to the
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: break right now as far as getting my list. But
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: agent de Bantcer with Nike just signed, just signed the
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: new contract and he was getting four million for Nike
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: when he played for BYU. I don't know what the
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: new contract is, but he's going to be one of
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: the faces of Nike as they go forward.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Well, we were talking about during the break the deal
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: that Lebron signed whatever twenty two years ago was almost
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: one hundred million dollars.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he signed seven years showing for ninety million dollars
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: back in May two thousand and three as a high
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: school player before the draft. So what are these guys
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: worth now? I don't want to speculate, but it's a
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: whole bunch of money.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we did speculate yesterday on the reports about the
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: Steph Curry deal anywhere from seven hundred and fifty million
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: to over a billion allegedly being offered to him. Uh
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: and by the way, he already made like four hundred
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: plus million from under armour, plus what he got from
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: his NBA career so far, I mean, and his wife
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: does very well with all of her business ventures, like
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: the curries.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna he's gonna buy a team at some point.
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: Very much in the NBA would like that. All right,
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: So here's somebody. Here's so many elite players, the top tier,
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: the Nike he has with under contract as far as partnerships.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: This is the list for the day, right, Yeah, okay, no,
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: it's no, it's not okay, okay, but.
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  Speaker 5: To quickly Lebron, James, Kevin Durant, Jannis, Devin Booker, Kate Cunningham,
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Victor went Byamba, oh my, Jason Tatum, Luca Dantage, Jellen
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: Brunson and Ace Belly.
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  Speaker 1: Those are some of the names.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're doing all right, Nike. So as they go
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: stable of tower.
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  Speaker 1: You got that, both both young and old.
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  Speaker 5: All right, my list today, Sean and I have a
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  Speaker 5: question for you about the NFL. So they keep your
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: tenor it's a very short list. The NBA players with
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: the most Korea Playoff game wins. Players with the most
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: Korea Playoff wins number thirteen Michael Jordan one hundred and
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: nineteen wins. Number twelve all time Byron Scott one hundred
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  Speaker 5: and twenty, number eleven, Magic Johnson one twenty eight, number ten,
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  Speaker 5: Shaquille O'Neal one twenty nine, tye for number eight, Kobe
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  Speaker 5: Bryant and Mono Genobili eighth place all time with one
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: hundred and thirty five victories, Number seven all time, Scottie
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  Speaker 5: Pippen one thirty six, number six all time, Tony Parker
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  Speaker 5: one thirty seven, number five all time, Kareem Abdul Jabbar
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  Speaker 5: one fifty four, fourth all time, Interesting Sean Robert Horry
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: fourth all time. Big Shot Bob Man, Big shot Bob,
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  Speaker 5: You're exactly right, Sean one fifty five, number three, missed
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: the fundamental.
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  Speaker 1: Tim Duncan won fifty seven.
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  Speaker 5: The second most career wins in playoff basketball history is
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: Derek Fisher with one sixty one, and the all time
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: leader in Korea victories he played for the Calves to
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Heat and now the Lakers is Lebron James with one
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: hundred and eighty seven victories. Quickly, lets you visit Michael
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: Jordan's one nineteen. Michael won one hundred and nineteen playoff
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: games and only one hundred and seventy nine games, which
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: means that Michael Jordan won sixty five point five percent
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: of every playoff game that he played in with the
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: dominant force. Quickly, she asked basketball, who's the leader in
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: most franchised wins as far as playoff that's John Stockton
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: with eighty nine. Thus, Sewan, that's my list of today.
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  Speaker 3: Michael Jordan was what what was his win percentage of
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: the playoffs?
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  Speaker 4: Sixty five point five sixty five point five of playoff victories.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: All right, Sean, here's the question for you.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Most Korea playoff wins by NFL quarterback Top three, Most
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Korea playoff wins by an NFL quarterback, Top three.
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  Speaker 4: Tom Brady gotta be up there. Yes, Joe Montana, Yes,
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  Speaker 4: you know, Sean, you know you know Aaron.
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  Speaker 3: No, not Aaron.
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  Speaker 5: I'll give you a hint. You've got barbecue there, have
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: had barbecue at his restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: No in that city where if I had barbecue all
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the time, I'm blanking the homes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, of course, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, here we go.
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  Speaker 5: Joe my town has six. Joe Mottown a third all
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: time with sixteen playoff wins, Number two, Patrick Mahomes with seventeen,
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: and Tom Brady with thirty five. Korea playoff wins out
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: of forty eight games.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: So Tom Brady is like Michael Jordan of the NFL.
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: So I love I have to quate the see barbecue.
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: I knew shown that second I said it, you're getting hungry.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: It's the willies.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: It distracted me.
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: That's the problem is I started to think about food
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: and I lost sight of the quarterbacks.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: I was just picturing ribs in my mind.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: So no, it just shows you the old kidding aside though,
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: is that if you have an elite player in your
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: team you've got, you've gotta really love it because that
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: that one player is a leadership position. He can really
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: carry a franchise with his trusted sidekicks.
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  Speaker 3: Gord the man, I always love catching up with you.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for coming in again.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Thanks showing peace out.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: That's Gordy Chiza, our resident NBA guru. By the way,
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: the win percentage on Lebron James' illustrious playoff career sixty
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: three point two percent, So not quite as percentage wise
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: successful as Michael Jordans. That's always the comparison, even if
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Lebron would admit that people compare