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NFL Week 6 REACTION: Seahawks-Broncos, Bills-Raiders, Chiefs unbeaten, Bears win & 49ers MNF preview · The Richard Sherman Podcast

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Richard Sherman Podcast, and this has
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: been a crazy week six. Make sure you hit that
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  Speaker 1: like and subscribe button if you're new. This week started
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: off with an upset. The Broncos upset the reigning Super
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks. Mitchell, there were crazy results all
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: over the place. The Jacksonville Jaguars, their team, We expect
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: it to be contenders and continue to be contenders. We
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: both had them in our top five in the power rankings.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: Lose to the Houston Texans who win their second straight
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  Speaker 1: game playing really good football. Playing really good football. Got
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  Speaker 1: to give them credit there. And what are the Rams doing?
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: What are the Rams doing? There are so many things
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: that we got to digest in this football weekend that
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know if you have a real great
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  Speaker 1: explanation for.
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  Speaker 2: You don't. And then, I mean, you didn't even mention
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: the free fall of the Philadelphia Eagles. I mean, there's
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  Speaker 2: so many storylines that week six is taking us down,
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  Speaker 2: but let's start on Thursday night, Richard in Denver, you
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  Speaker 2: were there, your Seattle Seahawks, you know, trying to turn
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  Speaker 2: this momentum on the season and get a win in
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  Speaker 2: prime time. Uh, their defense showed up, but Sam Darnold struggled,
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  Speaker 2: especially down the stretch, throwing two huge interceptions, uh, Let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about Sam Darnold's play in that game, Richard. What
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  Speaker 2: were your thoughts on his decision-making down the stretch of
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  Speaker 2: that game?
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  Speaker 1: Well, he struggled. He struggled. Now, you got to give
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  Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos defense credit. They're a good defense, but
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  Speaker 1: they were missing arguably three of their four best players,
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  Speaker 1: Talanoa Hufanga, without that game. Obviously, they're missing Jonathan Cooper
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  Speaker 1: and then the great Patrick Sertan on the corner. So
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  Speaker 1: if there was ever a time for Sam Darnold to
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  Speaker 1: have a day, this would have been it. And for
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  Speaker 1: him to still struggle with all of those things going
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  Speaker 1: on and all the issues with the Denver Broncos defense,
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  Speaker 1: that's where the concern is. They weren't able to run
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  Speaker 1: the ball. Emmanuel Wilson, 14 carries for 52 yards. George
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  Speaker 1: Helani had five for 20, but in a touchdown, but
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  Speaker 1: it was hard. It was tough sledding all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: And that's something that they have to get fixed without
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  Speaker 1: a run game. This past game isn't going to be
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  Speaker 1: effective in any way. Now, There were some silver linings.
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  Speaker 1: They were able to get Rashid Shaheed a deep pass
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  Speaker 1: for a change. I've been looking for that all season.
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  Speaker 1: They were able to find one down the field. I'm
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  Speaker 1: wondering why they can't keep doing that, why you can't
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  Speaker 1: keep taking those kind of shots, keep taking those opportunities
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  Speaker 1: and push the ball down the field. What's the worst
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  Speaker 1: that could happen? I think they need to leave more
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  Speaker 1: people in for protection. That point has been made again
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  Speaker 1: and again. I talked to Mike McDonald after the game,
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  Speaker 1: and I made that point once again. I was like, ah,
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  Speaker 1: I think you guys need to leave more in to protect.
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  Speaker 1: That 5-0 protection, I don't think it's hard. It's really
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  Speaker 1: hard on the running back and the offensive line. Early on,
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  Speaker 1: they had some miscues where it looked like Abe Lucas
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  Speaker 1: might have thought he was responsible for somebody, but the
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  Speaker 1: running back picked him up, and it was two guys
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  Speaker 1: on one guy and a guy running free hitting Sam
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  Speaker 1: Darn on the backfield. They gave up five sacks in
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  Speaker 1: a game, five sacks to five different people. It was
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  Speaker 1: one of those games that everything that could go wrong
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  Speaker 1: did go wrong. And the defense showed up in an
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  Speaker 1: incredible way. The defense played the game they needed to play.
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  Speaker 1: They held Bo Nix to 107 passing yards without a touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: They only gave up 38 yards in the second half.
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  Speaker 1: They did give up two touchdowns. You know, you got
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  Speaker 1: to expect that sometimes. I've been part of a great defense.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not your best outing early, but you need
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  Speaker 1: the offense to at least step up and score some points.
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  Speaker 1: If At worst, don't turn the ball over and give
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  Speaker 1: the game back to the other team, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: happened in this game. Three turnovers, three turnovers in this game,
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  Speaker 1: including a fumble and two interceptions thrown. You can't have it.
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigba continues, even with the banged-up ankle
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  Speaker 1: from the last game when they played the San Francisco 49ers.
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  Speaker 1: He came through 12 receptions, 134 yards, and he just
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  Speaker 1: keeps showing up. Every time they needed him, every time
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  Speaker 1: they needed a big play, Jackson Smith and Jigba is there.
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  Speaker 1: The defense is there. The defense is playing solid football.
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  Speaker 1: They're tackling well. They're getting off the field. They're doing
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  Speaker 1: what they got to do to give their offense a
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  Speaker 1: chance to win these games. The red zone issues on
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  Speaker 1: both sides of the football continue. You got to get
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  Speaker 1: those fixed. You got to defensively, they have to find
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  Speaker 1: a way to get stops in the red zone or
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  Speaker 1: else this isn't going to go well. There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of concern about that run game. That's one thing I
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  Speaker 1: don't have really great answers to. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: Charbonnet comes in and he's going to be the spark
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  Speaker 1: They struggled last season all the way up until around
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  Speaker 1: week 10, and then things started to look really good
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  Speaker 1: for the last, you know, I guess 10 weeks of
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  Speaker 1: the season, eight to 10 weeks of the season. You know, K-9,
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  Speaker 1: and I know everybody's looking at the Kansas City Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: and how K-9's playing. They're like, oh, my God, we
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  Speaker 1: wish we could have had him back. He would not
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  Speaker 1: be having that kind of season in Seattle. There are
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  Speaker 1: not the kind of holes. It's not being blocked in
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  Speaker 1: a way. where anybody could be as successful as he is.
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  Speaker 1: It's being blocked better right now in Kansas City. So
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  Speaker 1: I know people want to just quickly turn around and say,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, if we had him, it would all
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  Speaker 1: be fixed. That's the simple hypothetical, oh my God, everybody
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  Speaker 1: could dream. But that's not the reality, I don't think.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's in a spot where he's thriving because
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  Speaker 1: he's in a great scheme. The quarterback is part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Andy Reid's one of the best play callers in the
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  Speaker 1: history of the National Football League. He's finding ways to
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  Speaker 1: maximize his potential, and Kenneth Walker is benefiting from that.
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  Speaker 1: I've seen some other stuff on the internet. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I saw Fitz's video to Tlaib after Tlaib tried to
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  Speaker 1: get on Fitz about what Fitz said about Bo Nix's performance.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what you want in that situation.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't, Mitchell. Bo Nix didn't play well, and
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  Speaker 1: he hasn't played very well in this season. He's thrown
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  Speaker 1: for under 200 yards four times in this season alone.
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  Speaker 1: This game, he threw for 107 yards on 27 attempts.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a good football game. And there were a
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  Speaker 1: number of plays where he could have took off and run.
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  Speaker 1: He could have made a play. Even a play that
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  Speaker 1: Lee was defending. Like the running back had a blocker
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  Speaker 1: out in front. that's not a play you throw that
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  Speaker 1: late in the clock. That's a quick game play. You
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  Speaker 1: get the ball out there, let him run. The blocker
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  Speaker 1: hits right in time. Like there's so many things, parts
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  Speaker 1: of that play that had to happen on time, quick
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  Speaker 1: timing that didn't happen. And then if he wasn't going
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  Speaker 1: to take that, the lane was right there for him
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  Speaker 1: to run and get the first down. And instead he
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  Speaker 1: threw it. That is non-competitive football. That's just what it was.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know how you're defending this because it'd
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  Speaker 1: be different if you were defending a performance where a
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  Speaker 1: guy just had an off day. And he's not having
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  Speaker 1: an offseason. He's having an offseason right now. A very offseason.
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  Speaker 1: And if it wasn't for the terrific play of the
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  Speaker 1: Denver Broncos defense, this season could look a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: worse for the Denver Broncos. But they're 4-2, so you
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  Speaker 1: give them credit. You give Sean Payton credit. You give
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  Speaker 1: Vance Joseph and that defense a ton of credit for
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  Speaker 1: being able to win a huge game with three of
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  Speaker 1: their superstars out. And you leave it at that. I
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  Speaker 1: thought what Fitz did was hilarious. I thought What Lee
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  Speaker 1: did was unnecessary. You can talk about Fitz's career and
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  Speaker 1: ups and downs and whether he won games or not,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, but he's had some stretches where
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  Speaker 1: he's played some outstanding football, thrown for 400 multiple times.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say he threw for 1,200
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  Speaker 1: yards in three weeks at one point, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you will ever find a stretch of Bo
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  Speaker 1: Nix playing that kind of football, that level of football. Now,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you won't find a stretch of him turning the
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  Speaker 1: ball over like Fitz because he's not a gunslinger like that.
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  Speaker 1: He's conservative. We're in a time where these quarterbacks are
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  Speaker 1: trying to protect their stats and play efficiency numbers and
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  Speaker 1: depend on their defenses. That's where he is. But I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure Sean Payton would like a little bit more gunslinger
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  Speaker 1: and let the ball go, especially this season where they're
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  Speaker 1: drawing up plays where guys are running wide open and
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  Speaker 1: Bo Nix is standing in a clean pocket and not
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  Speaker 1: letting the football go. It's fair to criticize that. It's
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  Speaker 1: fair to say he's not playing as well as he could.
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  Speaker 1: It's fair to say he's not playing as well as
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  Speaker 1: the plays that are being drawn up for him and
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  Speaker 1: the receivers and the talent around him. Evan Ingram, they
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  Speaker 1: just got Waddle, Cortland Sutton. There's enough talent around him
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  Speaker 1: that he should be playing better. He should have more yardage,
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  Speaker 1: and he doesn't. And if you can't criticize that, then
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  Speaker 1: there's no point in having the job.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Bo Nix is currently averaging 4.9 air yards per
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  Speaker 2: pass attempt, Richard. I mean, if I lay down on
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  Speaker 2: the ground, that's about as long as I am, man.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is, you've got a quarterback with big weapons.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Cortland Sutton, he's a downfield vertical threat. Same
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  Speaker 2: with Jalen Waddell. I mean, that's why they brought him
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  Speaker 2: to be a speedster. Take the top off the defense.
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  Speaker 2: Bo Nix appears to be the problem in Denver. I
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  Speaker 2: know they snuck out with a win in this one,
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  Speaker 2: but 107 passing yards on 27 attempts. is not anything
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  Speaker 2: to write home about. Listen, he's the next guy on
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  Speaker 2: the board to get paid. I mean, what are you
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  Speaker 2: doing if you're Denver's management? Because, you know, they're looking
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  Speaker 2: at $ 55 million. I mean, we saw what Baker Mayfield
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  Speaker 2: just made. How in the world can you justify paying
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  Speaker 2: Bo Nix something like that? It seems like something that
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  Speaker 2: would kill a franchise.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think you can justify it. But I think both,
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: if you're the Seattle Seahawks, you're looking at Sam Darnold
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  Speaker 1: and you're saying, hey, We got to find a way
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  Speaker 1: to justify paying him, but he just won a Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: Regardless of how he's playing and the ups and downs,
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  Speaker 1: I know people want to say, oh man, Sam Darnold
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  Speaker 1: can't get paid and they should replace him with Drew Locke.
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  Speaker 1: He just won a Super Bowl. Whether you like him
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  Speaker 1: or not, he just led a team to a Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 1: whether it was the defense or the offense. You don't
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  Speaker 1: just get rid of a guy like that and sit
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  Speaker 1: him down. They're not sitting down Justin Herbert, and he
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: hasn't won a Super Bowl or come close, and this
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: team is 0-6. And fans are arguing that they should
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: fire everybody but the quarterback. And he's leading the league
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: in interceptions right now, but it's everybody else's fault. But
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  Speaker 1: we're going to get to that. I just think that
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  Speaker 1: in this league, the way it's– it's currently designed and
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: the way it's currently constructed, something's going to have to
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  Speaker 1: change because these quarterbacks aren't the main reason these teams
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  Speaker 1: are having success anymore. And that's fair and that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: In some cities, they are. You look at Kansas City,
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  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes has earned his money. I think Joe Burrow
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: has earned his money. You look at Buffalo, you're dang
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: sure Josh Allen has earned his money. And you get
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in Baltimore has earned his money. And Philadelphia fans,
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: you can argue with whoever you want. A lot of
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: wins have happened in Philadelphia, and Jalen Hurts isn't getting
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: top of the market money. He's won you a Super Bowl,
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  Speaker 1: took you to another Super Bowl. You guys have consistently
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: been in the mix. I think you can argue he's
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  Speaker 1: earned his money. But guys like this are where I
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: think something's going to have to change in the league
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  Speaker 1: and the way they're constructed. And it should have changed
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  Speaker 1: a long time ago. Where And we'll give Brock Purdy.
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  Speaker 1: Brock Purdy is just doing San Francisco. He's earning his money.
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  Speaker 1: You know, last season with all the injuries and everything
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  Speaker 1: that happened to that team. But Bo Nix is not.
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  Speaker 1: And they don't need Bo Nix to be excellent. Just
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  Speaker 1: like the Seattle Seahawks did well with Drew Locke for
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  Speaker 1: a little while. A couple games. He didn't turn the
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  Speaker 1: ball over. They can win games. They can find a way.
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  Speaker 1: When you can play football like that and your team
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  Speaker 1: is built like that, we were built like that. You
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  Speaker 1: didn't need a crazy game out of the quarterback to
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  Speaker 1: win this game. You had Marshawn Lynch in the backfield,
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  Speaker 1: a great running game, a great defense. Don't turn the
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  Speaker 1: ball over and we'll probably get out of there with
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  Speaker 1: a win. And when your team's designed like that, I
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  Speaker 1: think you can get away with paying your quarterbacks reasonable numbers. Now,
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  Speaker 1: will these quarterbacks accept that? That'll be the question. Like,
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  Speaker 1: will Bo Nix say, no, I'm not accepting that? And
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  Speaker 1: then what do you do when he doesn't accept it?
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  Speaker 1: Do you just say franchise day? Because that's still a
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  Speaker 1: big number. So that's a conversation that I'm interested in
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  Speaker 1: seeing how it goes. Now, they'll probably fold up and
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  Speaker 1: pay him what he's asking for, pay him $ 60 million
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it is, the top of the market. But
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they'll win anymore after that. I think
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  Speaker 1: once teams start to go there and your quarterback isn't
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  Speaker 1: the 4,500– 34 touchdowns, 32 touchdown producing quarterback, and you're
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  Speaker 1: paying him like he is because he's just the next
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  Speaker 1: one in line, I think you start to destroy your
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  Speaker 1: team and you start to have to get rid of
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  Speaker 1: people and players that are at the top of their game,
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  Speaker 1: that are amongst the top of the league at their positions,
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  Speaker 1: and you start to have a worse team. And now
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  Speaker 1: all the things that made you a great team, you
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  Speaker 1: start to not have anymore. But that's just what I
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  Speaker 1: got to say about that. The Broncos... great win for
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  Speaker 1: them the Seahawks got to find a way they got
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  Speaker 1: Kansas City in a couple weeks or I guess next
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  Speaker 1: week at this point they got the Kansas City Chiefs
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  Speaker 1: and they are rolling right now they continue to look
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  Speaker 1: really well really good um they they are undefeated just
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  Speaker 1: beat the LA Chargers Kenneth Walker revenge game that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be one to watch Mitchell.
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  Speaker 2: No question about it the the This is a must-win
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  Speaker 2: for Seattle, if you ask me. I mean, the wheels
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  Speaker 2: are kind of slowly turning, and I think the fan
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  Speaker 2: base might be losing a little bit of hope. They've
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  Speaker 2: got to come out strong in this one against the Chiefs, Richard,
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  Speaker 2: and get back a one in the winning column. Let's
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  Speaker 2: talk about another wild one in L.A., the L.A. Rams.
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  Speaker 2: This was a team that came in with lofty expectations.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's crowning them as the Super Bowl champ before the
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  Speaker 2: first week one kickoff. Here they are six weeks into
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  Speaker 2: the season, two and four, losing at home to the
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  Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals, a team that gave up 45 points last
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  Speaker 2: week at home, goes into SoFi and knocks off the Rams.
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  Speaker 2: How surprised are you with this.
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  Speaker 1: Outcome, Richard? I'm incredibly surprised, but I'm incredibly surprised at
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the outcomes of these games for the
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  Speaker 1: LA Rams, I think. They are a couple plays away
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  Speaker 1: from being a 1-5 team. If you talk about that
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  Speaker 1: win they had against the Philadelphia Eagles late, they had
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  Speaker 1: a last-second drive, they had a fourth-quarter comeback. They just
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  Speaker 1: aren't playing up to the level that you would expect.
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  Speaker 1: And you could say, oh, man, we're waiting for Miles Garrett.
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  Speaker 1: You could say, oh, Aaron Donald just needs to knock
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  Speaker 1: the rust off. But you could say Aleric Jackson was
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: missing this game, got suspended for punching Bradley Chubb after
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  Speaker 1: the last game. But is that enough? Arizona Cardinals have
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: lost four straight, and they've lost four straight to a
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: lot of different kinds of teams, contenders, non-contenders. They haven't
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  Speaker 1: played the best football. The Rams are starting to... First off,
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: this is a great reason why you don't crown preseason
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  Speaker 1: or offseason champions. All that on-paper stuff does not matter
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  Speaker 1: in the National Football League. This is a grown-man game.
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  Speaker 1: It may matter in other sports, But this is a
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  Speaker 1: grown man game. And sometimes bringing great pieces together, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you can put great ingredients together, Mitchell. I could put
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: bacon with milk chocolate with strawberries and blend it up, Mitchell,
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  Speaker 1: and it may not taste good. Not that bacon isn't
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  Speaker 1: great and strawberries aren't great and milk chocolate with almonds. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: chef's kiss, Mitchell. But combining them all and then trying
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: to mix them all in the same pot, Mitchell, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't always turn out great. And when you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: a team like the Rams, I'm sure when Miles Garrett
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  Speaker 1: comes back, they'll be better defensively. But will they be elite?
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  Speaker 1: Will they do everything they can to get free Miles
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  Speaker 1: Garrett up? And Miles Garrett can win one-on-ones and do
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  Speaker 1: all that. But will, in Cleveland, they would go out
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  Speaker 1: of their way to free Miles Garrett up to eat
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  Speaker 1: and to have sacks. I don't think they're going to
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  Speaker 1: do that in LA. And if they don't go out
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  Speaker 1: of their way to do it, can Miles Garrett still
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  Speaker 1: reach those 19, 20, 15 sack seasons that he's had?
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  Speaker 1: Or can he just play good team football? That is
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  Speaker 1: to be seen because he hasn't had to play the
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  Speaker 1: kind of football that is, hey, you don't always have
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: to go for 10 sacks, four sacks a game. Sometimes
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: you just have to play well in a run game. Like,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: do your part. Be the pick part of the pick stunt. Like,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: be a great teammate, be in the gap you're supposed
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: to be in. And so that's to be seen. But
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: this defense, they played solid. I think they played pretty
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: solid in this game. They gave up a ton of yards,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: but they were great in the red zone. That was
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: the big reason they had a chance in this game.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: They held in the first half, they held the Cardinals
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: to 0-4, 0-4 in the red zone. And I think
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: they held them for 0-2 in the second half. And
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: All Arizona's points came off of field goals. But Matthew Stafford,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: I can't understand what's going on with him. I can't
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: understand what's going wrong with the reigning MVP of the
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: National Football League. He's just not having the success that
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: we're used to having. And it's not because he's– I mean,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: he was a little rusty probably earlier. But in this game,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: he got hot in the fourth quarter. He looked like
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: the Matthew Stafford in the last few drives of the
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter. when they had to have it. But I'm
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: starting to wonder, why aren't you seeing that earlier in
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: the game? Why aren't we seeing that Matthew Stafford come
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: out of the games, like, striking out? Maybe it's taking
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: a second for the body to warm up and get
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: where it needs to get, but Devontae Adams went out
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: in this game with what appeared to be a calf injury,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: and it's starting to become a repetitive theme, injuries with
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: their receiving core. Like, Puka gets back. Devontae's out. Devontae...
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Puka's out, Devontae's in. Like, very few times have we
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: had both of these guys together at the same time healthy.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's wrong with this Rams team. I
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: really don't. I just don't know how this is going
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: to get fixed because they aren't playing well. They were
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: a better team than this Arizona Cardinals team. But give
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: props to Matt LaFleur. I mean, Mike LaFleur, sorry. Give
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: props to Mike LaFleur. He's undefeated in L.A. in SoFi Stadium.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: He beat the Chargers and the Rams. Those are the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: only two games they've won this season. He got it done, Mitchell.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Give him credit.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: That's impressive. He's got more wins in SoFi than Justin
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Herbert and the Chargers franchise do this season. That's huge.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: But you're talking about Matthew Stafford and his struggles. What
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense to me is this is a team
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: that has been together for a handful of years now.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: It's not like they're introducing a new high-profile wideout or
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: introducing a new running back or fine-tuning this offensive line.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: These are the same pieces we saw last year, and
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: this is the same high-flying offense that we saw last year,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: at least the components of it, and yet the team
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: is just not playing on that level. Something is going on.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: 286 yards of total offense against the Cardinals. When your
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: backs were against the wall in that second half, it's
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: not going to get it done.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And we can talk about the kicker situation. Because last week,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: you should have had the game won against the Buffalo Bills,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: who everybody in the world thinks are big-time contenders this year.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: And then you turn around and lose your kicker early
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: in the game. So it leaves your situation very bleak.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: bleak great word and so now you're forced to go
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: for two on the first touchdown you don't know what
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: you're going to get then you find a way in
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: the second one I just I really I know Sean
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: McVay is really frustrated he was really frustrated last week
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and I didn't I thought they would come around this
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: week and have a great game and just blow Arizona
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: out of the water. It's starting to look like, I mean,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: when Miles Garrett does come back, whenever that is, they'll
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: be fighting for a wild card spot, if anything.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: That's just it. This team is not in the NFC South.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: They're not in the NFC East. They're in the NFC West.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: And all of these games matter in that division. We
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: shall see. Let's talk about the Las Vegas Raiders hosting
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the Buffalo Bills. The Bills squeeze out a three-point win here.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: We saw Josh Allen have a solid game, 255, two touchdowns.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: He was not very active running the football. But this
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: team goes in to Las Vegas and pulls off a
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: win at Allegiant Stadium. How impressed with this Bills team
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: are you at this point in the season?
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Four and one.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Road win against the Hot Raiders. What are your thoughts
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: on this Buffalo Bills team thus far?
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I'm impressed with them offensively, but I'm not impressed at
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: all defensively. They're one of the half teams that we
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: have in the National Football League. The half contenders. Half tenders.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: The half bait squad.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I'm going with half tenders. Half baits that we have
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in the National Football League. I'd say them... the Minnesota Vikings,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos, the Seattle Seahawks right now, the half-baked,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: you know, one side of the football is elite and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: playing elite football championship level contender football. And the other
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: side isn't keeping up. And I think for the Buffalo bills,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: it's their defense. They gave up 30 points again today
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: to Kirk cousins and a Raiders. And they found a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: way to win again. They find a way to win, but,
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen having to play, do a lot to find
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: a way to win. I don't, I don't get, I just,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I know it, it, it looks good offensively, but I,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: it's just not a sustainable way to play football. And I,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I feel like going into the playoffs, going in late
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: in the season, you're going to run into a team that,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: that can get some stops against this offense that, that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: forces a turnover or two like the LA chargers did.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Then what are you going to do? Then what are
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you going to do? Like, If you can't keep up
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and this defense can't get stops, then what are you
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: going to do? Josh Allen is playing great football. You
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: give him a ton of credit. Keon Coleman is finding
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a way to stay involved. Khalil Shakir, they're doing their thing.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid, they're a good offense with a lot of weapons.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: James Cook was a huge impact player in this game.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: 22 carries, 95 yards and a touchdown, three receptions for
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: 56 yards. including a 26-yard catch to set up the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: go-ahead three-yard run in the fourth quarter. But I just
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: don't know if this is sustainable. I mean, and you're
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: talking about, I'm seeing the reaction to C.J. Gardner-Johnson's ejection for,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I think they said he might have spit on a
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Raiders player and had that unfortunate penalty there. You can't
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: have things like that when you're playing on a defense
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: that's already having a hard time getting stops. He's been
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that kind of player for most of his career. It
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: works in his benefit sometimes when he's going and he
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: gets player route up and he gets in guys' heads,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: but it can work against him in situations like this
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: where he gets ejected. The Bills are fine. They're fine.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: They'll probably beat three in the power rankings, but I
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: can't justify putting them any higher until that defense shows more.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, this is like
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: a Jekyll and Hyde team. I was sitting on the
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: couch watching this game with my wife, Richard, and she's
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: a novice football fan and knows enough but not enough.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And she's watching Josh Allen and she says, how does
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: anyone ever beat this guy? And I told her, it
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: comes down to playoff time and he just randomly doesn't
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: show up. And that's the question with the Bills. I mean, again,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I know they won this game and kudos to Josh
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Allen and co., But I just cannot justify him not
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: having more success on the ground. If they want to
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: take this team and make it unbeatable, like you said
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: the last couple weeks, it's interjection of his rushing to
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: this team and this offense. James Cook, stud. 22 carries,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: 95 yards, touchdown. Played a vital role in this team's
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: success down the stretch. Buffalo's got to unlock that next
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: element of their offense. And their defense is going to
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: have to come along as well. But kudos to the Raiders.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: They keep hanging with these teams. Richard, that, you know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: otherwise last year they would have gotten blown out by.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: They got a nice new identity. They look hungry. Clint
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Kubiak is clearly doing some good stuff in Vegas. I
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: still like them. They got a tough stretch of games here, Richard.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: We'll see how it all works out for them. Raiders
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: looked all right in this loss. Let's talk. Yeah, yeah.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is showing people why he's starting over Fernando Mendoza.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: He's a great guy to learn from. He works well
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: in this offense, had 313 yards, two touchdowns, only one interception,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't sacked in this game. But Ashton Genting, a guy
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: we're not talking about enough. I mean, I'm not even
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: sure he should be getting the amount of carries that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: he's getting. I would say, if I was a Raiders fan,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: give him to Mike Washington because Mike Washington's averaging 4.8
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: a carry, had a long of 18, and Ashton Genting,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: had 22 yards in the game on 10 carries. He
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: had some yards through the air and he had the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: one yard rushing touchdown because he was in the game
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and Mike Washington wasn't, but it's starting to become a conversation. Like,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: and I don't know if it's because Ashton Gentry isn't
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the guy that we thought he was coming out of
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Boise state. Maybe the level of competition has increased too much,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: but I'm just not seeing what you need to see
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: for him to justify the amount of carries. Like, I
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: think they have to start looking at maybe giving Mike
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Washington a few more carries and seeing if that, doesn't
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: spark this offense even more.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: And to your point, Mike Washington's got a second gear.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, he ran an incredibly low 40 at the
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: combine coming out of Arkansas.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I'm with you.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: A lot of question marks around Ashton Genting, and that's
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: why there's a lot of criticism with drafting a running
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: back that high in the draft is because not only
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: are you expending that amount of draft capital, but now
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: there's a motive to start him and play him more.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: When you got somebody in Mike Washington that really could
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: take this offense to another level.
• 26:40
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• 26:43
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• 26:48
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• 26:56
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• 26:59
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• 27:08
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• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about this L.A. Chargers team. 0-6 on the season.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Fall to the hands of the Kansas City Chiefs, 22-6.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: And yet another game where the defense keeps them in
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: this game and Justin Herbert and the offense keeps them
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: nowhere close to it. At this point, I don't even
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: know where to start with Justin Herbert, but I'll start
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: with this question for you. Who loses their job first
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: in LA? Is it the quarterback or is it the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: head coach? Because at 0-6, there's a lot of finger
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: pointing that's going to be happening. Who does it truly
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: land on?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Well, if I'm listening to the Chargers fans, everybody but Herbert.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: That's what I keep hearing. It's everybody's fault but Herbert. So,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing that's what the ownership thinks. It's everybody's fault
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: but Herbert. Even though we haven't seen anything that it
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: gives us any confidence that under the perfect circumstances, Herbert
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: would be a guy that could win. But what does
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it take? Does it take a great defense? He's had that.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Didn't go well. He's had one of the best offensive lines.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Didn't win anything. And now everything's kind of falling apart
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and young offensive line, banged up he's dealing with a
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: lot of pressure he's turning the ball over at a
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: high tilt leading the national football league in it um
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: not throwing a ton of touchdowns not doing enough with
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: his legs i'm sure again sure he's making a wild
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: throw a game maybe two maybe even three but that's
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: not enough like you have to play quarterback you have
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to play quarterback at a high level in this league
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you have to manage and i know people throw this
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: term around like it's a negative but you have to
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: manage the game, Mitchell. Game manager. He's not a good
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: game manager. He's a really highly talented NFL quarterback. He's
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: got all the measurables, all the things you would want
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: in your quarterback, but can you manage the game? Can
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you just get the ball where it needs to be
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: when it needs to be there? Can you know when
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: to take a shot, when to not take a shot,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: when to throw the football away, when to, when they
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: keep it out of harm's way. Like, you have to
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: be a better game manager, and I just don't see
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: it right now. I don't know. I know the quarterback
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: makes a lot more than a head coach, and it's
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: hard to get rid of quarterbacks in the National Football
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: League and come back. Maybe they don't get rid of anybody,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and then they just tell the Chargers fans this was
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: a down year, and we'll get them next year with
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the same roster, plus or minus a few pieces. I
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: don't know. I don't have a lot of great answers
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: because his team isn't doing a lot of things great,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: and it's not a lot you can build on. I
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: know they want to get rid of Quentin Jostin. He
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: had that one big catch in this game, but it's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: too many drops, too inconsistent each and every year. Ladd
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: McConkie had one target in this game but went out
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: with an injury. Omarion Hampton, seven carries for 18 yards.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: The run game was nonexistent in this game. And I
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: know that Mike McDaniel was brought in to revamp this
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: run game, to show you guys what the Kyle Shanahan
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: outside zone, McVay, the offense that everybody wants would look
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: like with Justin Herbert at quarterback. Well, it doesn't look
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: great with Justin Herbert at the helm. It just doesn't.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: And so maybe this just doesn't work for Justin Herbert.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: And so maybe it starts with McDaniel and they get
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: rid of McDaniel and bring somebody else in. But it's
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: been too often that it's Greg Roman. Now it's McDaniel.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Now it's every coordinator that comes in's fault. Eventually, you
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: have to stop. Eventually, you have to say, hey, maybe
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: there's a common denominator we're just not mentioning and people
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: will refuse to say it. And it's Justin Herbert. He's
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the common denominator, Mitchell. He's the guy in the middle
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: of it all. When they get in the playoffs and
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: they have a big lead, Can they lose to the
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguars? I'm a denominator. And I know, well, what
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: about the defense? They gave up a lot of points.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: They're not getting paid over $ 50 million a year. Not
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: one person on that defense is getting paid over $ 50
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: million a year. It falls on the quarterback. Just like
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: if they would have won, it would have fell on
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the quarterback.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: This organization is going to have a lot of questions
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: in the off season. They're going to probably be picking
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: top three. I mean, we, we, Called it, you know,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: three weeks into the season. I mean, and here we are.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: We said there's a very good chance they start 0-7
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: on this season.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Here they are.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Is there any world where you draft a quarterback in
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: the top three? I mean, this draft is pretty loaded
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: at quarterback. You got Mestemaker. You got Mensah. You got Chambliss.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: You got Manning. Like, there's some big names at the
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: top of this draft. Is this the time for the L.A.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Chargers to invest that draft pick at the quarterback position?
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I don't trust any of these guys coming out of
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: college anymore, especially at the quarterback spot. That's the reason
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza was the best they had to offer, and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the Raiders and Kubiak thought it was best to sit
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: him for a year behind Kirk Cousins, which I think
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: was a great decision. But it just shows you the
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: levels to this. I don't think anybody in the world
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: is picking Kirk Cousins number one in any draft. But
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: veteran play is valued in the National Football League, and
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: putting high-drafted Quarterbacks on teams that haven't won a lot,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yes, there's a world if you get
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: rid of Justin Herbert where you have to draft a quarterback, sure.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: If you don't get rid of Justin Herbert, no, there's
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: no world where you draft it. You have too many
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: needs elsewhere.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Let's talk more about the Kansas City Chiefs. This team
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: looks like their old selves. Is it safe to say
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: this is the best Chiefs team we've seen in the
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: last three years? Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's safe to say. Now, I think
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: they had some teams where the defense might have been
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: a little better than they're playing right now, a little tighter,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit more talented, a little more veteran in
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the back end, but never had a run game like this.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I think Kenneth Walker has the most yards at this
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: point in the season in Chiefs history. And you got
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: to respect that. And I think this makes them an
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: incredibly dangerous team, an incredibly hard team to game plan
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: for and to beat. if he's playing to this level
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and Patrick Mahomes, 23 of 30 for 272, he did
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: have the interception, no touchdowns in the game, but when
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: he's playing at this level and he doesn't have the pressure,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: the world of expectations on his shoulder, and he could
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: just turn around and hand the ball off 20 times,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: 25 times a game and watch Kenneth Walker work. I
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: think I don't see anybody in the AFC, you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: bearing some catastrophic situation. I don't see anybody beating this
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: team and giving them a lot of trouble. I think
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: they beat Buffalo, so yeah. Yeah, I think they come
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: out of the AFC. And unless something crazy happens, I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: find it hard to believe that won't happen. They got
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. I mean, they got the Seattle
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Seahawks next week. I think that'll be a good barometer
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: for that offense. Kenneth Walker, revenge game. Ken, the Seattle Seahawks,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: you know Spaggs is going to send a lot of
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: blitzes at Sam Darnold because he hasn't dealt with the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: pressure well. And, you know, Denver did it, and people
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: are going to continue to pressure him and put people
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: in his face until he shows that he can do
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: better with it and he has the answers. and that
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Brian Fleury can design some answers into this offense and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: protect him better.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: This Kansas City Chiefs team, it's like they have a
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: cheat code offensively with Kenneth Walker behind Patrick Mahomes. Is
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: it time we put K-9 in the MVP conversation? I
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: know running backs aren't typically included in that discussion, but
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: if there was ever a guy, it would be Kenneth Walker.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: He's got 759 scrimmage yards. Four games with 100-plus rushing
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: yards and is averaging 6.3 yards per carry on top
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: of eight touchdowns through five games, mind you, Richard. These
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: are impressive statistics. Is he a running back you would
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: include and give a legitimate opportunity to win the MVP?
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: It's not happening. They're not giving it to anybody but
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: a quarterback. They've already established that. He'll win offense player
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of the year, and that'll be that. They're not giving...
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: MVP to anybody, but the quarterback until they take, take
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks out of that conversation forward and give the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: quarterback separate world ward MVP as a quarterback award. And
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: they're not really giving anybody else consideration.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Let's go across the pond. The Jacksonville Jaguars played the
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Houston Texans, big, big divisional game here in the AFC South.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: The Houston Texans came in the day before this game
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: and the Jags have been there for a couple of weeks, uh,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: But it was advantage Houston. Early and often, we saw
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: a C.J. Stroud we saw a couple years ago. I mean,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: it looked like his old self throwing for over 300 yards,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: three touchdowns, one interception. They had this game in hand,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: and the Jags fought back. Thanks in large part to
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Travis Hunter. Here's a guy, again, continues to dominate on
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: the defensive side of the ball. And then we saw
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: him sneak in and get in the end zone, becoming
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: the first player to do that since 2002, Brian Dawkins. Uh,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: impressive one for Houston desperate need of a win started. Oh,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: and four and now are two and four. How much
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: of an impact will this game have on the rest
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: of their season? Do you think Houston is off the mat?
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Do you think they can sneak into the playoffs at
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: this point?
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Maybe. I mean, it just shows how up upside down
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: the league can be at times. CJ Stroud has played
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: really good football this season. He threw his first interception
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: of the season in this game. Um, They got Marvin
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Harrison Jr. involved. That was cool to see. He looked smooth.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: He looked comfortable out there. Obviously, he hasn't had a
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: ton of work, ton of time to learn their playbook,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: so it seemed like they kind of built in a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: few plays with him and C. Dre, a few RPO-style
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: actions to get him comfortable, but that was good to see.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Kaimi Fairbairn had a really good game, obviously, the walk-off.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Their defense... did not play as well as they have
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: in the past. They did not sack Trevor Lawrence at
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: all in this game. Gave up 306 yards and four
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: touchdown passes to Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence played a really
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: good game against a good defense. They still have things
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: they need to clean up, especially in that back end.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: The expectations were so high for Houston in that defense
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: coming into the season, and they have not lived up
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: to it in any way. I don't really know how
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: you explain it. I really don't. The players are there.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: The talent is there. Kalen Bullock had an interception in
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: the game. But to keep giving up this many points
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: each and every week is a concern, and that's the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: reason D'Amico Ryan took back the play-calling duties. But Trevor
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Lawrence played really well. Jacoby Myers, Bashawl Tootin had his
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: moments in this game, two touchdown passes. Parker Washington continues
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: to play well. But Travis Hunter, this is the way
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: he should have been used. This is the way, this
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: is all you need to do. Few plays on offense.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he played more than 10 snaps
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: on offense. Had great impact, four catches, 59 yards and
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: a touchdown. played majority on defense, had a great impact
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: in interception, three tackles. That's the way you need to
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: play him. You don't have to play him. The formula's
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: been proven. It's been done before. They were playing him 60,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: 70 snaps on offense to throw him the ball five
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: times and then playing him 30 snaps on defense, and
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: then he can get avoided. I like how they're using him.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: I think this is the perfect, way to, to maximize
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: his strengths, to maximize his talent, to get him some
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: touches on offense, simple ways, uh, on the move slant routes.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: He caught it, got up the field, some yak. I
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: think he can thrive in this role, a handful of
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: plays on offense, target them on half of them. And
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: then max full on defense, following the best receiver. He
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: was following Nico Collins around probably half the game. Um, And,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I think he held his own for the
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: most part. I loved his interception. Incredible pick. I think
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: he's living up to all the hype and everything associated
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: with him. I think the Jacksonville Jaguars have finally figured
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: out the perfect medium for him, the perfect amount of
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: plays on both sides of the football where he can
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: maximize his talent and his impact. I love to see it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I'm sure the fan base in London loved to see
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: it as well. The last two weeks, incredible games. We
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: saw the epic comeback over the Eagles last week with
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the Jags and now this shootout as well. So shout
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: out to the London fans. You guys had to see
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: some huge, exciting matchups over the last couple of weeks.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Let's take it to the fourth quarter here and get
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: some quick takes on the remainder of these games. The
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: New England Patriots improved a 4-2 on the season, knocking
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: off division foe the New York Jets, who fall to
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: 2-4 on the season. Drake May, we've talked about it
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: the last couple weeks. He seemed to have shook off
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: the early season rust and looks like the quarterback he
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: was at the tail end of last season. He got A.J.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Brown back in this game, who didn't do a whole lot.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, his other receiving weapon that they required over
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the offseason, Romeo Dobbs had a big catch but went
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: out with a shoulder injury. he relied and leaned on
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: to Mario Douglas. And we saw a lot of the
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Mario Douglas today, seven receptions, 86 yards and a touchdown.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: I know they only won by seven Richard, but is
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: it safe to say the new England Patriots are back
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: or are the same competitive team we saw last year?
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I think they're starting to get there. And Drake may
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: has seven touchdown passes to no interceptions in the last
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: two weeks. He's finding his rhythm. Uh, He's finding his confidence.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: I think they're finding a nice medium for him to
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: push the ball down the field, but also kind of
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: take care of the football. Reminder, Stevenson, they're kind of
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: leaning on the run game. It's not super effective. They're
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: not having a lot of success, but they're continuing to
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: pound it on the ground. Again, he's using his safety blankets. Guys,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: he's had a lot of reps with. Demario Douglas is
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: one of them. Hunter Henry is another. AJ Brown got
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a knockoff to Russ. He had three drops in this game.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: One of them was over the top, looked like a
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: dime of a pass, and it almost appeared to go
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: right through his hands. A couple passes kind of banged
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: off his hands, and you expect a guy of his
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: caliber to make those catches, and he will in the future,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I'm sure, but that's a little bit of a concern
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: for this team. But overall, their defense continues to play really,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: really good football. They're a very underrated unit that is
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: amongst the league leaders in points and yardage and all
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: the things you want, and you would expect that from
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: a Mike Vrabel coached team. This team is on the rise.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I look for a really good game next week against
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. It's going to be on Thursday night.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: You can catch us on TNF Tonight. 4 p.m. Pacific,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: 7 p.m. Eastern. It's going to be a great game.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is going to be. Caleb Williams versus Drake May,
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: great quarterback matchup. But I think I'm interested to see
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams versus this New England Patriots defense. It's going
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: to be a fun game. The Jets, again, didn't have
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: high expectations for the Jets. I think they've battled in
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: every game that they've been in. I think Geno has
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: played solid football. Braylon Allen had his best game of
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: the season. The season, Omar Cooper Jr., who's been banged
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: up throughout this season, had his best game of his
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: young career, six receptions, 103 yards and a touchdown. One
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: of them was a bomb from Geno Smith. You know,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: they're playing competitive football, and you've got to give them
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: credit for that. They're not finding ways to win these games. But, again,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: this is a team we expected to draft early again
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: in the draft. They're competitive each and every week.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: We'll see if they– you know, what they do in
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: off season. This is a team that could be on
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: the rise in the near future. We were talking about
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: it before we got on the pod. For those that
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: don't know, the Jets hold three first round picks. They
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: got their own. They got the Colts via the Sauce
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Gardner trade. And then they got the Dallas Cowboys via
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: the Quinton Williams trade. These, all these picks right now
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: are on the top 15. So look out for the Jets,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: a team that obviously needs a quarterback going into next season.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Gino Smith holding it down and making this team competitive
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: and at least fun to watch. I got to believe
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the Jets are going to be on the rise here
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: in years to come. Let's talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: They go into Tampa Bay and steal a win from
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Jalen Daniels and this scrappy Buccaneers team. Jalen Daniels, man,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: he has come in and really has provided a spark
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: to this Tampa offense, has made this team very competitive.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately for them, Aaron Rodgers looked like vintage Aaron Rodgers,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: got his receivers involved. DK Metcalf, 11 catches this game
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Haven't seen that for a couple years. And then the rookie,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Jeremy Bernard out of Alabama by way of Michigan State.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I got to put that in there. 11 receptions, 87 yards,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: and a touchdown. But I want to talk about the
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: coaching down the stretch of this game. The Pittsburgh Steelers
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: took over the ball at possession at the four-yard line
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers with just under two minutes
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: left in this game. Tampa had two timeouts, and they
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: The Steelers end up settling for a field goal after
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: throwing the ball twice and rushing the ball once, giving
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: the Bucs back the ball with about a minute 30 left.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy, I mean, walk me through, how do you
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: justify those coaching decisions down the stretch? Simple thing, it
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: tells me, run the football three times, let the Buccaneers
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: burn their timeouts, get in the end zone, turn the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: ball back over to an undrafted free agent rookie in
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Jalen Daniels and see what he can do with it. Instead,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: they let these guys off the hook. Jalen Daniels forces OT.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: What was Mike McCarthy thinking?
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he was thinking. And I also
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: don't know how much of it was Mike McCarthy and
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: not Aaron Rodgers. And I think that's where that dynamic
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: gets a little murky because there is some autonomy that
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has given in the game. And it's hard
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to know if this is Aaron, if this is Mike,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: but Mike's the head coach, so he has to take responsibility.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he talked about it after the game. Definitely
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: a mistake. Should have ran the ball, especially in the
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: way Jalen Warren has been running the football. And Rico Dowdle,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: for that matter. I mean, either one of those guys
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I think could have probably got it in from there.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: But this game was really cool for Jalen Daniel. He
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: was in control. He was in command throughout three quarters
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: of this game. And then in the fourth quarter, it
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: all kind of just fell apart for him. And I
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: know this was bittersweet for Jamil Dean, the guy who's
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: been with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers his entire career, and
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: he had to pick to bring it all the way.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: And Jalen Daniel saved the day. You know, he makes
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: the tackle right there to stop Jamil Dean from having
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: probably a prophetic moment for him if he would have
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: scored that to beat his former team in a big game,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: to send them to 1-5. I mean, Pittsburgh ends up
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: winning the game, so it all ends up working out
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the same, but That would have been crazy. I really
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: don't know what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers do from here.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Jalen Daniels played solid football. I mean, as well as
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: you could expect an undrafted rookie to play in a
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: game like this. But there aren't a lot of positives
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: in this game. I mean, David Walker had two sacks.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Reuben Bain gets his first sack of his career. Had
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: a tip pass that got intercepted by A'shaun Robinson. But...
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what they're going to do.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: They're 1-5, and I think this team had high expectations,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: especially when you pay Baker Mayfield. I know there's frustration
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: all around. I think Todd Bowles and his defense have
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: played well this season. Their stats support that. He's a
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: defensive coach. They've played really well. They sacked Aaron Rodgers
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: five times in this game. I know you said he
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: was looking like vintage Aaron Rodgers. maybe in the fourth quarter.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: I can believe that, but they were beating him up
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: in this game. You got to respect him for continuing
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: to get up every time he got knocked down. He
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: started to find DK Metcalf in that fourth quarter, who
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: ended up with 11 receptions for 93 yards. I think
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: they started to feed him early and often. They they
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: smelled blood in the water and they start going after
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: it this team is starting to find themselves I think
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: they got a tough game with with Tyler Shuck and
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: the Saints next week but they the way they're playing
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: defensively Jalen Ramsey 10 combined tackles two sacks in the
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: game especially including the game winner the game ceiling sack
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: uh in overtime I They're a veteran defense, and they
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: show up in big moments. I just, you just, it's
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: hard to trust any team right now in the National
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Football League, week to week. It's a week to week league.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: It is hard. The good ones and the bad ones.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, this next game, Tennessee Titans. Everyone thought the
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Indianapolis Colts were going to be 3-3, back to 500,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: have a snowball's chance to win this division, at least
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: keep it competitive. They lose at home to this Titans team,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: who scored 23 unanswered points in the second half. You
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: got any comments here? I mean, the Colts, I don't
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: know what they're thinking. You know, they make this huge
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: investment in Sauce Gardner, and this team is just sputtering.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this game?
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Well, I thought that was a bad move when they
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: made it. I thought they were already a solid defense.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't think that move helped them. Again, I'm a
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: fan of corners that just take the football away at
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: a high tilt. If you don't take the football away
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: at a high tilt, I don't think it's worth trading
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: for you because what big difference are you going to
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: make on this team? But this was a bad loss,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: and Daniel Jones struggled mightily in this game. Jonathan Taylor
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: continues to be what Jonathan Taylor has been, a great
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: running back, 21 carries for 94 yards and a touchdown,
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: averaged 4.5 a carry at two receptions. For 57 yards.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Did lose that fumble in the game. And you can't
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: have that. Cam Ward. Again. Very uninspiring statistics. Very uninspired game.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: 11 for 22. 102 yards. A touchdown and an interception.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Tony Pollard. 19 carries for 76 yards. Again. The Titans win.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Cool.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: They race the 13-0 halftime deficit. The block punt. and
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: the block punt that got returned for a touchdown, the
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: 58-yard punt return by Shamir Dike that set up Tate's touchdown. Great.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: The defense had six sacks. I know Robert Salo felt
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: great about that. Three takeaways. A lot of things to
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: celebrate on that side of the football. But I think
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: you look at this game, even when you win, and
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: you say, is Cam worth a guy at quarterback? Is
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: he going to be the guy? Is he our future?
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: And when you got to keep asking that question, he's not.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: And I know everybody was like, oh, man, he was
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: just that way in Miami. That's just kind of the
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: way he plays. It does not work. That standing still,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: like nonchalant play style does not work in the National
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Football League. And until he shows results, it's going to
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: get criticized. And I'm going to criticize and everybody else should.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Because it's not producing wins. It's not producing results. He's
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: not throwing for a major yardage. And they have to
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: start looking at the future like maybe there's a chance
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: they get a quarterback in the next draft.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: It's hard to disagree with you. On the other side
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: of this, going back to Indianapolis, this locker room, there's
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: some question marks. One of your former teammates, DeForest Buckner,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: sounded off after the game saying, I'm sick and tired
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: of the same old song and dance every year I
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: know you've got a ton amount of respect for DeForest Buckner.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: How tough is it? And I know you haven't been
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: on a ton of teams like this, but how difficult
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: is it as a veteran to be suffering with a
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: season like this and knowing that ultimately it's not going
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: to end up in success?
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I would guess it's incredibly frustrating. But if I'm
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: DeForest Buckner, I'd be looking longingly at the team that's
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: number one in both of our power rankings. And I
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: would be saying, I remember a song and dance I
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: used to do with somebody that used to know my
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: favorite song and my favorite dance. And they drafted me
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: to do the dance. And he got to do the
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: dance and the big dance with this team. And this
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: team is on the track to potentially go to that
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: big dance again. Will DeForest Buckner ask for maybe a
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: path out Do the San Francisco 49ers have interest in that?
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I know there's a number of contenders
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: that would potentially be interested in a guy of his caliber,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: no question about that. But I know San Francisco, this
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: has been a year of bringing their favorite sons back home,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: whether it's Deebo Samuel, Dre Greenlaw. Does DeForest Buckner add
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: to that list? Maybe. This is all speculatory, people. I
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: don't know nothing. I haven't heard anything. I just think
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: if the Colts are buyers or sellers right now, John
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Lynch just said he works the phones all day right
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: before the trade deadline, hearing offers, figuring out, filling it out.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: If he's available, maybe the 49ers have enough cap space.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's ways you can maneuver things to make room
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: for him. And yes, I do think there's a spot
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: in the middle of that defensive line for DeForest Buckner.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: that he could fit very well, even with the development
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: of Grayson Holden, even with Adigie Zua and everybody you got.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: It's never too much, never too much, never too much
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: when you got pass rushes, Mitchell.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Richard, this is how rumors start. I'd like to caution
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: you with that. The trade deadline is a few weeks away,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: week 10. And I got a sneaky suspicion we're going
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: to see some stuff on 49ers blog sites, rumors. DeForest Buckner,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: a 49er again, per Richard Sherman. We shall see. That's
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: how it starts. Let's talk about the New York.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: It's a great.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: It is a good fit. I'm not even going to
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: debate that. I think it would be a heck of
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: a pickup for them would make a ton of sense.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I applaud you for that. And clearly it's been working
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: with Debo and Greenlaw. So Adam, one more to the
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: mix might make it all that better. Let's talk about
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: the New York football Giants taking on the New Orleans Saints.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: This game, it started off 10-0 Giants. It looks like
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: they were in control. Tyler Schuch took over, led them
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: to 34 unanswered points. This led to the benching of
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Jameis Winston. Insert J.J. McCarthy, who throws for over 240
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: yards in the fourth quarter alone. Do we have a
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: QB competition?
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I guess. I guess. Yeah.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, we got to talk about this. This AFC
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: East is kind of a dumping ground. I'm sorry. This
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: NFC East is a dumping ground right now. These New
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: York Giants, I don't know what the Vegas odds are
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: right now, but I got to believe the Giants are
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: firmly in that mix to win this division. Can JJ
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: McCarthy be that guy to take him to the promised land?
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: It's worth a shot. It's worth a shot. Again, Neither one, Jameis,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: you never know what you're going to get. Box of chocolates. J.J. McCarthy,
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: you never know what you're going to get. Box of chocolates.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: So play whoever you want, Mitchell. I think Malik Nabors,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: throw the ball to Malik Nabors early and often. They
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: throw it to him I think 11 times in this game,
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: or he had 11 receptions in this game. He's a
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: guy you got to get involved. Give the Saints a
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: ton of credit. Alvin Kamara, did you see that reception
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: he had where he just was like, oh, oh. Smooth.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: Knock me off. Step over you. Touchdown. He's one of
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: the most smooth runners in the history of the National
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Football League. Tyler Shaw had a bit of a rough outing,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: but threw three touchdown passes, you know, 16 to 30
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: for 144 yards, but three touchdown passes. That Giants defense
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: is better than they, they're better than people give them
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: credit for. And I know, again, the numbers aren't showing
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: in this game. I mean, they held him in the
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: past game, but I think this Giants defense is better
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: than people think. I wish they would have had this game.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: I think the Houston Texans going to the Giants, that
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Houston Texans-Giants game, good luck with that one because Houston's
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: starting to roll offensively, and you got question marks defensively.
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: You got question marks on the offensive line. I think
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Houston wins that game, but what do I know? Because
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: I couldn't know that. I was 8-8 this week.
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: You're 50-50. I mean, flip a quarter, you might be right, Richard.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara, you talked about him. He has over 5,000
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: receiving yards on his career. I believe he's the eighth
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: running back in NFL history to have over 5,000 rushing
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: yards and 5,000 receiving yards in a career. I'm sorry,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: sixth player ever. Alvin Kamara, hat tip to him. Incredible career.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: He's still getting it done, and he might have to continue.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: We'll see how long Travis Etienne is out for as
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: this Saints team tries to make this division race a
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: tight one. Let's talk about another team in the NFC South,
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: and that's Carolina Panthers. This team might be sneaky good.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to think about them. They go
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: on the road. Obviously, the Eagles have a ton of
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: question marks right now. Tanner McKee, under center, former Stanford tree.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Go Cardinal. Eagles make it somewhat competitive late in this game.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: But the Panthers end up pulling away. Before we get
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: into the game, let's talk a little bit about Jalen Hurts.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Prior to him going on AIR with this blood clot
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: in his calf, we had talked about whether the Eagles
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: were punting on the season. Now it certainly looks like
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: they might have to. What does the outlook look for
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles the rest of the season. Do you
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: think the division race is even in question for them
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: at this point?
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's in question because of how inconsistent the
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: Giants are and the Cowboys and the Commanders, I mean,
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: for that matter. So even with all the chaos that's
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: going on in Philadelphia and Jalen Hurts going to IR
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: and them losing this game, I think the Carolina Panthers
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: are a better team than people give them credit, especially offensively.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: Bryce Young has found himself, and David Canales has unlocked
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: him in a big-time way. He's having a great season,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: 281 passing yards, two touchdowns to Tommy Trimble. Never thought
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: we'd be talking about that from this perspective. But Chubba Herbert,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: 120 yards rushing, one touchdown. Their offense is great. Their
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: offense has, I mean, this is a low scoring game
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: for this offense. And I think that's where the frustration
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: is for the Philadelphia Eagles defense. Because there's still a
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: lot of really talented guys on that defense. You got
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Jalen Carter. You got Zach Bond. You got Quinion Mitchell
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: back there. You got a lot of guys, multiple all
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: pros that are still playing and they're playing hard. And so,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there is frustration, but there's also hope because
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: the way this season's going for everybody else. The Giants
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: aren't just running away with this. They don't even know
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: who their quarterback's going to be next week. So I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: think if you're the Philadelphia Eagles, you feel like, hey,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Tanner McKee played solid, you know, not perfect. Devontae Smith
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: is getting back in. Damian Pierce is starting to find himself.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I think you feel good that hey, we're in a
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: division that's kind of like the NFC South of years
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: past where maybe a team with less than a 500
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: record goes to the playoffs.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: It's certainly looking that way. Let's talk more about the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Chicago Bears. They go on the road to Atlanta. They
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: get out to a 31-7 lead. And this game almost
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: falls apart late. The Atlanta Falcons storm back. But what
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: was your thoughts about Caleb Williams' first game back? after
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: his devastating hamstring injury. Emphasis on the devastating.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Mitchell. And Mitchell, emphasis on the devastating. After seeing Caleb
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: Williams on that cart, Mitchell, it's great to see him
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: go 30 of 36 for 305 in a touchdown, open
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: the game perfect 12 of 12 for 142 yards. Mitchell,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: when he was on that cart with that towel over
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: his head, you would have never thought three weeks later
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: he'd start the game off perfect. Guy was moving really well,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: outside of the pocket, found– Colston Loveland for a 14-yard touchdown.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: A guy who I like, Kyler Gordon, former UW Husky,
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: had three sacks, two forced fumbles. That defense played really
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: well in this game, made big plays, and that's the
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: part of this game that I was really appreciative of.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: But again, they kind of fell apart in the second half,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: kind of took their foot off the gas, let the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Falcons come back a little bit. But Michael Penix, You know, 19-33, 225,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: three touchdowns. Again, some of it was kind of garbage time-ish.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: I thought the Atlanta Falcons would put up a better
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: fight in this game. I thought they would do more
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: in this game and give themselves a chance on the
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: other side of the football, but give Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: and all those guys a ton of credit. When they're
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: all together and they're healthy, They're a very formidable team.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Caleb Williams played one of the best games of his
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: season today. And I look forward to seeing them against
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: the Patriots next week on Thursday.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Well, as the Bears improve to 4-2, you know what
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: time it is, Richard. It's time for the Chicago fan
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: base to start asking you, where are they in your
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: top five of your power ranks? I mean, these teams
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: look competent. You know that conversation is coming in the chats.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: So why don't you answer it now? Is Chicago... Are
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: they that dangerous of a team? Should they be viewed
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: in that upper echelon of competitors in this NFL?
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Let me go back to last week.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: You know the conversation's coming. That's why I'm bringing this
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: conversation up right now.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. We're going to bring up last week
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: because I get tired of these people, and I really
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: do get tired of these people. They got beat 31-7
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: in Green Bay last week. 31 to seven. They had
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: a good game against Atlanta about 31 to seven. Now, uh,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: mind you, Tyson Bajan played, did not play defense 31
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: to seven. I'll let you know what, if they in
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: my power rankings, when I fully assess everybody, but let's,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: let's not get crazy. It is a week to week league.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: That's what I don't get. They played well this week.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: What they're going to do next week, what they're going
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: to do on Thursday. We will see. Um, If they
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: show another great defensive performance, Caleb Williams continues to play
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: like he's played, lights out, then, yeah, we'll throw them
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: in there. We'll throw them in there at five. Okay.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: But we're going to see. But let's settle down all
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: these fans, some of these teams, because that's just what
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: happened with Jacksonville. You know, you keep crying for us
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: to put them in there. We put them in there.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: Then y'all go to London and Houston has their way. Okay. Okay. Well,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: it's time.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: It's time for Fresh from the Oven takes brought to
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  Speaker 2: you by DiGiorno. Just like a pizza fresh out of
• 1:05:14
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• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Monday night. Let's break down the matchup between the San
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: Francisco 49ers and the Washington Commanders. Richard, what is your
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: hottest take about this Monday night matchup between the Niners
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: and Commanders?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: Hottest take. Romello Height has two sacks. I think that's
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: a hot take. I want that for the kid.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Romello Height, a rookie. Okay, we shall see. A lot
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: of big names playing in this game. Obviously, Jaden Daniels
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: back with his injury. Going to be wearing some sort
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: of an arm guard there. But the San Francisco 49ers
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: team is loaded. Which player do you think is going
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: to have the biggest factor in this game?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Brock Purdy. It's going to be Brock Purdy. Whether... who
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: wins and loses this game will be on Brock Purdy.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: If he doesn't play well and he turns the football over,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: that'll dictate this game. But I think he'll play well.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: He'll be a big part of the reason the San
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Francisco 49ers win. But Brock Purdy will be the guy
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: I think has the biggest impact.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Is there any shot this Commander's team travels cross-country and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: gets the win on Monday night?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: There's always a shot. The way the league's been going
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: this year, They beat the Seattle Seahawks and put up
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: 33 points against a really good defense. It would not
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: surprise me. It would surprise me. But the way this
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: year has gone, we will see. People have to play
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: up to the standard that they can play and not
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: down to their competition. If the San Francisco 49ers don't
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: play down to their competition, I think they win this.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: When you sit down on your couch and get ready
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: to watch this game, what type of DiGiorno pizza are
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: you popping in the oven?
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: It's always pepperoni, Mitchell. And I'm going to put a
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: little extra Parmesan cheese on it. You know, a little
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Parmesan cheese. Maybe a sprinkle. Maybe a sprinkle of garlic.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: That's just me. You know, I need a little garlic
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: on mine.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Give me the Hawaiian, Richard. That's my go-to, the Hawaiian.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: I need you to try that one of these times.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Those were fresh from the oven takes brought to you
• 1:07:25
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• 1:07:28
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• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: And stick with us after the game, because we're obviously
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: going to do a recap after this game, no matter
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: what happens. Please join us afterwards to talk about what happened.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: Richard, it's always a pleasure sitting down with you every week,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: every Sunday night. This concludes our week six reaction podcast.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: I'll let you close us out, my friend.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: As always, we appreciate you guys joining us. You could
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: be anywhere in the world, but you're here with us.
• 1:08:02
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• 1:08:06
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• 1:08:09
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• 1:08:13
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