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Scott Townsend: Waking Up Pastors & What It Means To Be A Watchman · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey friends, thank you so much for tuning in, God bless you, and we appreciate as always
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  World View Matters, David Firazzo.
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  Thanks guys.
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  So our guest we have, we have a very special watchman, first time on the podcast today,
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  and I'm really excited to talk to Scott Townsend.
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  Let me give you the main website for him.
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  It is I am a watchman.com, and then over on Substack, which he puts out a lot of content,
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  I am a watchman.substack.com.
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  Brother, thanks for all you do, and thanks for your time today.
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  Good to see you.
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  Nice to see you too, David.
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  Thank you.
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  All right, so we talked about different topics, and we decided to go a different direction
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  today.
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  But you guys, I just want to talk about your round table you had recently.
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  With some other troublemakers for the Kingdom of God, they've all been on this show, John
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  Haller, Patrick Wood, Tom Hughes, Pete Garcia, Britt Gillette, my goodness.
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  I didn't get a chance to watch, and I know it's on, I believe John Haller is YouTube,
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  and Britt Gillette's YouTube, what did six masterminds discuss, and what problems did you
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  solve on the round table, Scott?
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  For the record, I'm the least of them.
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  Those are gigantic intellects, for sure, and I just cling and try to hold on the best
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  I can.
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  But look, we've had a series of these, and they're well received, actually, David, and we
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  discuss a number of contemporary topics in Bible prophecy, focusing on the technical
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  parts of it.
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  AI, blockchain, quantum.
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  We talk about economics and world systems, the B systems, and things like that, which
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  is always informative, I hope, and our goal is to provoke people to think deeply about
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  the time that we're in and to encourage them to be about the father's business.
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  Hey, man, brother, and you've done a lot of research in this area, in fact, the first
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  time I saw you, I mean, I've seen you before on different videos, different programs,
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  but the one that really opened my eyes was probably about six to nine months ago, and
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  you were on, I think, with Pete Garcia and a few others, and you brought up this map,
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  this live starlink satellite image, and I was blown away.
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  I'd never seen that before, and I don't know if you remember that one, that round was
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  really it, and I thought, oh my goodness, so that's when I keyed into who you are, what
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  you were doing, because so many great men of God, I'm not enough, but there are some
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  really good brothers in Christ, doing some ancestors in Christ, doing some great work
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  for the kingdom, being watchmen, watchmen on the wall, and so let's talk right there about
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  how you got started, Scott, and I am a watchman, because a lot of believers that aren't familiar
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  with what a watchman does, or what our duties or responsibilities are biblically, where
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  does that come from? They might say, what do you just annoy yourself, a watchman?
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  Could you explain a little bit of your journey, please?
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  Be happy to, so first I came to faith in 1978, so I've been walking with a Lord for a long
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  time. The problem is, David, that no one explained to me through normal sermon series that anything
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  about eschatology, Bible prophecy, I had no idea about the millennial reign, about our
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  eternal state, about the fact that even that I would stand toe to toe with Jesus at the
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  beam of seat, and once my eyes were opened, and it was my time to see it, the Lord helped
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  me to understand it, my life changed dramatically, and that's when I began to get much more intentional
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  about how to help, you know, any way that I can, and being a watchman means that you like
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  in the old days, in the Old Testament, you would see in Ezekiel 33, you would see the watchman
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  on the wall would look out into the distance looking for threats, and if they saw something
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  that was coming towards them, that looked dangerous, they would sound the alarm and wake
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  up the people to defend whatever was coming.
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  In today's world, we don't have walls, we don't stand on them looking out into the world,
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  what we do is we examine, you know, the Word of God, and being a good Berean, as well as
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  looking at what's happening in the world, and helping people connect the dots, because
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  there are plenty of signs that we are in the last days, and we should be paying attention.
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  So I want to talk to you a little bit more about what you shared early on, and how you
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  must have heard, I don't know, how many sermons, and you really weren't informed about
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  Bible prophecy, and the end times, but over on your website, I am a watchman.com.
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  I see other troublemakers that we've, we are, are available with Andy Woods, Jack Hibbs,
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  Barry Stagner, I mean, we, we connect with a lot of the same people, which is a blessing,
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  but tell us about some of the resources Scott on your website, people can get.
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  Sure, absolutely.
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  We had a podcast on CSN Radio for some time, all those episodes are referenced there.
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  There's a number of guests that we had, as well as we think of I'maWatchman.com as
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  a resource for the watchman community.
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  So we've got sermon series.
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  We have articles that are intended to encourage, and to help grow the person just becoming
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  aware of the things that are going on in the world, and it's not about speculative rabbit
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  holes, David.
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  We want to be clear, we're centrist in our thinking, and we think that there's plenty,
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  you know, in normal, everyday Bible prophecy between the old and new testament to really
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  have a solid understanding of what's happening.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Now I do want to point out something on your website for people to go to under watchman
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  lifestyle.
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  If you scroll over that, there's a link that says what it means to be a watchman.
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  So that's really what we're going to focus on today, a little bit of that, what it means
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  to be a watchman.
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  And in your articles, you've got a two-part series on when our pastors wake up.
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  So Scott, let's go back to, I've last a lot of people this question, what do you perceive
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  as one of the problems with a majority of pastors today, particularly in America, who
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  do not preach the whole council of God, maybe they don't teach much Bible prophecy, and
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  they don't address cultural issues, or worldview issues, maybe they're true to the gospel,
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  or maybe they're a secret sensitive, which we'll get to.
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  But what do you see as part of the problem, how did we get to that point, where you can
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  go to a church for decades and not hear things that are going to equip you?
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  Yeah.
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  And that's exactly what happened in my case.
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  I had no idea of what was going on.
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  And then at the right time, the Lord did it for me.
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  So the articles that you're mentioning, they're David R. on my sub-stack, which is
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  I'm a watchman.substack.com.
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  And it's been on my heart for some time to really help the watchman community and others
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  in the body of Christ really understand what is a typical pastor going to be going through.
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  What's in his mind?
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  And we have to have, first of all, a massive heart for our pastoral staff, because they're
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  stressed and stretched every way.
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  There's conflict, there's noise.
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  They are not taught, typically, eschatology from seminary.
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  And they're in the process of building their congregation, and that often means not
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  approaching difficult topics that would tend to conflict with people's understanding
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  of having your best life now.
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  I say that tongue-to-cheek, because unfortunately, there's a bias towards, I would say, shielding
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  the body from difficult topics like that.
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  And so if you shield people for whatever reason, whether it's, you said, you know, some seminaries
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  don't even teach things that will help pastors, equip congregations, some seminaries are
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  about here.
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  Here's how to build a bigger church.
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  Here's how to attract numbers, how to be entertaining, all kinds of stuff.
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  But let's go back to just the basic role of the pastor.
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  I'm sure there is a misunderstanding or some ignorance about that as well if we're in
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  this predicament in America, isn't there?
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  Well, that's a very broad, you know, point there.
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  And I think we're all coming on that, David, is that we have to realize that caring for
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  a congregation, and this is a tremendous burden, by the way, for which there's a lot
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  of accountability according to the Bible, you know, is more than just accommodating lessons
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  every week.
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  It's more about equipping the saints for evangelism and other missional purposes like
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  this.
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  And if we're approaching the end of the church age right now, which I believe we are,
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  and I do take a pre-tribulational position, then we have to realize if we do not address
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  the things that are plainly there once we see them, you know, we are now doing a disservice
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  if we continue to have normal, you know, sermon series that do not at least partially begin
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  to incorporate, you know, some of the topics that are staring at us right in the face,
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  such as, give you some examples, the technology right now leading up to the mark of the beast,
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  which we, in the tech roundtable, we talk about a lot.
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  I talk about it on my sub-stack, so, or, you know, the globalization of things, the one-world
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  systems.
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  And there's plenty of evidence right now that the things that the Lord and the Bible
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  talk about are basically convergent.
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  I think we're past the point of convergence.
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  I see it as convergence is how we described it 10 years ago, right now, the way I like
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  to say it, David, is that we're smelling the tribulation right now.
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  It's right there if we have the eyes to see it.
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  Yeah, things are, as Haller would say, convergence, then acceleration, then there's two other
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  things.
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  So let's get into your articles then, because we want to talk about this when pastors
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  wake up, because the headline is, or the sub-heading is suggestions and advice for approaching
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  church leadership.
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  And in part two, I believe, which we'll get to briefly after the break, part two, practical
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  suggestions for how to approach church leadership.
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  You do this very respectfully, Scott, you do it in a sense, the understanding that being
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  a pastor is a huge responsibility can be a heavy weight, because much warfare, spiritual
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  warfare is involved.
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  So let's go to the beginning of your article.
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  You said, we have to be ready to interact with our local congregations in a new way.
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  What did you mean by that?
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  Well, I think the first thing, let me give you a hypothesis here, David, and that is that
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  I believe the watchman community has been ignored, marginalized, and has tried their
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  best to raise awareness in the pastoral staff and others like the board of directors and
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  other Bible studies and places of leadership within a church.
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  But I think that the time for the watchman community to contribute to helping pastors
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  connect the dots has been something that we've been prepared for.
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  So I call the watchman community deep operatives.
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  I hope and pray that every church has at least one watchman or one watchwoman that are
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  ready for service when things become so apparent to the pastoral staff that they actually
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  do not understand what is happening in the world.
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  In case in point, that could be any of the black swan events that we see foreshadowing
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  of today.
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  Just one example of that would be a debt crisis that begins to tumble, you know, financial
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  markets and things like that, leading to things like bank holidays and supply chain
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  problems all over again and other, you know, things like the introduction of digital
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  currencies such as what's coming to the EU later in October of this year.
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  So let's just remember that the watchman community is there to serve.
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  And so when we talk about what happens when the pastor begins to realize they're on the
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  left foot, they don't understand it.
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  They don't really feel equipped.
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  And my main point is that they won't have a choice to duck or run or avoid or to marginalize
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  or scoff or mock even, David anymore, they can't do it.
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  Because I think the congregation as a whole will be impacted and they will not be able
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  to, you know, they'll realize that they need to address it somehow, but they don't
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  exactly know how to.
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  That's where we need to be equipped with a loving attitude and a kind approach and delivery
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  to help them understand what to do.
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  I so appreciate your tone and everything that you're saying so far, big hearty amen.
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  We're speaking with Scott Townsend, I am a watchman.com when we come back, we're going
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  to talk about three categories of people that he lays out in his first article, then
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  we will jump to the second article on practical suggestions for how to approach church leadership
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  So Scott Townsend, let's talk about those three categories of people, I found that to
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  be interesting.
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  And you're writing two people who are to some degree a watchman or learning about being
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  a watchman or understanding that.
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  Can you explain that briefly, please?
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  Absolutely.
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  So there's three types of cohorts, as I would call them, David.
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  The first is the watchman or watchman, you know, that understands what's happening
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  through a painful process of learning and paying the price of really digging in, researching
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  and understanding both what is happening from a contemporary news point of view, as well
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  as understanding eschatology and the things that the Bible talks about being in the end
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  times.
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  And the Lord wants us to be obviously prepared for that, we're called to be awake and
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  to look forward to our redemption.
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  And there's a lot of guidance about that in the Bible.
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  So there are watchmans that understand what's happening and they have tried to talk to
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  their church leadership and have been typically summer successful, I imagine, but most of the
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  stories that I hear about are they've been rejected in the sense that they get polite
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  indifference where they give updates, they try their best to communicate the seriousness
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  of the hour that we're in and they're attempt to try to educate the pastoral staff or
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  a board member or a Bible study leader or other influencer within the church, they are frustrated
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  with that.
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  The second cohort that I believe is they have not actually approached their pastoral
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  staff yet, but they have talked to others within their church.
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  It could be after service, they may hear something intriguing, they may engage in a short
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  conversation about that, but they're also ready to be able to give a defense for what's
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  happening in the world today is just that they haven't had the opportunity to take that
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  to the pastors at this point.
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  And then the third are those that to your point are watchman or watchman that have been
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  studying and learning.
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  It was, for me, David, it was about two years of just learning, drinking through the
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  fire hose, listening to hundreds of sermons and teachings on the end times before I felt
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  confident enough, and I would say had enough discernment to begin to make some, to let
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  it gel and coalesce in my heart and mind about what exactly was happening and to be prepared
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  to help communicate that to others and many, many people fall into this.
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  I think what happened five years ago is a precursor to people realizing normal isn't coming
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  back, Jesus is coming back and what does that mean?
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  And so they've been listening with more intentionality to what's happening in the world, but they
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  still haven't completely let it resolve in their heart and mind that they need to be
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  part of the solution.
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  And that's where those three cohorts stand at my point.
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  And they're, of course, it's unspoken, but the fourth one would be those that just have
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  no biblical literacy, they are listening to the word of God and fragments, they're not
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  taking responsibility to be a beyond a milk drinker and to get into the meat of the gospel
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  in the Bible to read, you know, the prophets and the Old Testament and to understand the
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  association and crossover between the Old and the New Testament and it takes time.
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  It takes time and focus to be able to learn that.
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  Well, we've had George Barna on the podcast recently a couple times, but the last time
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  it reminds me that that that fourth category would be where most church goers, maybe in
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  America, are unfortunately, but what what you said is very profound.
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  Normal isn't coming back.
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  Jesus is coming back.
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  What does that mean?
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  And you ask a question and then we got to jump to part two, Scott, we're running out
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  of time.
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  We got to jump in a minute.
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  This is a good question to ask anytime in your gut.
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  Do you believe you have been prepared for this season?
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  Why or why not?
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  You have asked that question in the first article on when our pastor is wake up.
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  Do you want to elaborate a little bit on that before we make the jump to part two?
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  I'd be happy to.
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  So, yes, I absolutely have been.
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  It was all something that the Lord timed for me.
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  It was my time, you know, eight years ago.
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  And I've been researching for five to six hours a day, 365 days a year for eight years
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  now.
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  That's in my case, that was what it took for me to stay focused and to stay current
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  and things are moving very quickly.
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  And so that is kind of how I see it.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, let's just say based on what you just shared, there is a point where we've got to
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  take a break and surrender all that to God because it can be heavy.
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  There's a spirit of heaviness that's very real and it can be overwhelming, watching,
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  being aware of what's going on.
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  I'll just say that that people need to remember to trust in God's sovereignty, cast your
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  cares, surrender what you cannot control to the Lord and do what you can to wake people
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  up.
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  So, in part two, you say you have 100% conviction that a change of heart is coming more
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  broadly in the Lord's timing.
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  Were you referring to the body of Christ?
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  You say, not necessarily a revival, but a stirring within the church, could you explain
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  that?
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  Yes, I do.
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  When these things begin to happen and the things that we're talking about are difficult
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  things to hear, but if you understand what is happening in the world and the way that
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  the elites and others are trying to navigate the great reset spoken about by the world
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  economic forum and also understand agenda 2030 from the United Nations, you know what
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  they're telling you what they're going to do.
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  And we are watching it all the steps and precursors to that are being staged right now.
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  So it is very, very important for us to understand that this is going to impact the congregation.
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  And so just one example of that, you know, could be a debt crisis of some kind of China cascading
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  into the financial markets.
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  If if a, you know, banking holiday happens because there's a crisis, then how do people
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  deal with that?
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  How would you imagine the congregation would react to that if they couldn't pay their bills
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  or get access to cash or they would go to the church, they would ask for help, they
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  would plead for, how do I pay my bills?
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  Can you help me?
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  The benevolence fund would be exhausted in the first hour and the pastor is going to
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  get, you know, potentially hundreds of text messages and emails.
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  What is happening?
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  I don't understand.
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  And the pastor, all of a sudden, who has been able to focus on other aspects of shepherding
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  the flock will and should realize this is a new season in which they are being elevated
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  and called up to provide leadership to their congregation in a new way.
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  And that is what, you know, we are all praying for.
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  Boy, we could have done a two parts on this podcast, World View Matters based on your
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  two articles, but I just want to quote you when you're talking about, you also ask a very
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  good question, is it possible your pastor or important members of the church leadership
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  team have forgotten their first love?
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  Like it was at the church, was it Ephesus?
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  Which one forgot their first love?
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  Anyway, that was in Revelation 2 and 3.
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  You talk about seeker sensitive churches being more culturally relevant, which you say
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  lowers the standard of the gospel instead of lifting up people's need for Christ, and
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  you say it mutes the salt and light principle we were taught in the Bible.
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  So let's end in the last three minutes.
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  I'm sorry we ran out of time so quickly, Scott, on praying for our pastors, praying for
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  a church leadership.
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  I have not done as good of a job in that.
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  I think a lot of us would, if we were to admit that, we'd be honest and saying, yes,
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  I need to pray more for a pastor.
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  So share whatever is on your heart about praying for our leadership in these situations.
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  Absolutely.
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  I think we, you know, most of us realize that things are coming, okay?
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  And we're supposed to look up as we see the day approaching and to be about the Father's
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  business.
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  One of the aspects of being about the Father's business is not to break fellowship with
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  a church just because you don't hear eschatology coming from the platform.
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  I think it will come.
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  Hopefully it will come.
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  And our job as members of a congregation is to love and support each other and to do
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  our very best to steward the information that we know in a kind and gentle way.
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  Not one that shrinks back due to scars and wounds of the past where we were rebuffed, scoffed,
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  and mocked, but to actually realize that our finish line is so close that we must exert
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  extraordinary effort to take what we know and to help others find the truth.
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  And some are in church, but do not know the Lord.
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  They are cultural Christians, maybe, and I'll tell you one of the most sobering things
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  that can happen is the aha moment when a cultural Christian realizes that all of this that
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  the Bible speaks about is real, that Isaiah 46 verses 9 and 10 where the Lord himself
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  does the most amazing mic drop in the history.
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  It says, I will tell you what will happen because I am the Lord, I'm paraphrasing that.
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  And so it's very important for us to help people connect the dots and for them to understand
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  that this is the season for all of us to be sober minded, be in the Word, be in fellowship
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  together and to help each other finish well.
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  And as you say in part two here of your article, consider the possibility that the Lord is
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  waiting on me or waiting on you to make that first move to love your pastors and leaders
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  sufficiently to go to war against the evil principalities and pray for your pastor or
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  leadership whoever you're meeting with for their eyes to be open.
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  And you know, you've got to humble yourself to go in there because you can come off very
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  prideful when you're a watchman and you're aware of these things that a lot of Christians
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  maybe are not.
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  So we really have to guard against pride as well and we have to pray for soft hearts, I
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  think, all the way around Scott, 30 seconds closing thoughts.
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  Well I think thank you for the opportunity to come on today David, I hope that our audience
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  here realizes that you know, there's a lot going on in the world and it's up to us
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  a watchman community and other concern members of the body of Christ that have information
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  to be willing and open to sharing it, especially with pastoral staff and other church leaders.
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  Yes, in this day and age when the time is short, but we are here for this time and season.
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  Scott's website again over on his sub stack where these two articles are, I am a watchman.substack.com.
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  Brother, thank you so good to connect Lord willing, we will do this again in the very
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  near future.
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  Thank you David.
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  Friends God bless you and as always keep speaking the truth about things that matter.