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CFB Week 1 Reaction: Western Michigan-Michigan, Clemson-LSU, Boise State-Oregon · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: So let's just, let's just dive into, uh, college football.
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  Speaker 1: So let's just dive right into the Western Michigan, Michigan game. And, uh,
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  Speaker 1: what else can be said that hasn't been said at
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  Speaker 1: this point in terms of what a travesty that was. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the game felt over, it looked over The
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  Speaker 1: statement that came out about their replay. My main takeaway,
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  Speaker 1: who I'm truly gutted for, are the players on that team.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's the tight moment. Now, I would imagine 10
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  Speaker 1: years ago, pre-NIL and pre-Portal, Western Michigan was a 10-win
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  Speaker 1: team last year. Squads like that get raided every year.
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  Speaker 1: So it probably is a way different... demo in terms
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  Speaker 1: of where guys are from on the roster present day
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  Speaker 1: than maybe years past because I typed that bad boy
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  Speaker 1: into AI and they only got 11 guys on the
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  Speaker 1: roster from the state of Michigan maybe that number used
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  Speaker 1: to be higher I have to do like a research
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  Speaker 1: project to find that out but my guess would have
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  Speaker 1: been like 25 so This isn't necessarily these guys that
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  Speaker 1: play for this program are going to live in the
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  Speaker 1: state the rest of their life. And everywhere they go,
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  Speaker 1: we are part of the team that beat the University
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  Speaker 1: of Michigan. Even though this isn't the mid-90s powerhouse, couple
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  Speaker 1: years ago powerhouse, they're obviously not that good. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't care. Because when Appalachian State beat the University of Michigan, it's...
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  Speaker 1: an underdog story that we still speak about to this day. Now,
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  Speaker 1: you could argue that aged pretty well because it turns
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  Speaker 1: out Appalachia State was a big-time program. They elevated up.
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  Speaker 1: But I think this dynamic is different because while the
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  Speaker 1: guys on the team might not stay in Michigan for
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  Speaker 1: a long period of time, and who knows, could disperse
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  Speaker 1: all over the country, I bet a large percentage of
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  Speaker 1: Western Michigan grads live in the general area, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: the state of Michigan or the Midwest. And that would
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  Speaker 1: have been a seminal moment for the school till everyone
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  Speaker 1: that's associated with the school, whether they went there, whether
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  Speaker 1: their future children will go there, will have till the
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  Speaker 1: day they die. And now that doesn't exist. Because my
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  Speaker 1: dad loved UC Davis. And they were, at the time,
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  Speaker 1: Division II's program. Then they went up to Division IAA.
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  Speaker 1: And they upset Stanford one year. In Stanford. Well, Stanford's terrible.
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  Speaker 1: You know, no one confuses Stanford as some program despite
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  Speaker 1: that little stretch with Harbaugh and David Shaw as like
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  Speaker 1: this program that should be in the national championship hunt.
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  Speaker 1: That if they don't go to the playoffs, people are
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  Speaker 1: going to get fired. So part of the draw, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I watched every snap of that game. I told my wife,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm going to... Be a very present dad on
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  Speaker 1: Saturdays because Sundays is not really possible. It's much more
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  Speaker 1: of a workday. Saturdays, a little pleasure, a little work. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: we need the four boxes. She hates the four boxes
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  Speaker 1: on TV. I'm like, I can't just watch one game.
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  Speaker 1: I got to be watching the four games. YouTube TV
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  Speaker 1: does a great job. I got the four games going on.
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  Speaker 1: And after a while, I clicked to the big picture
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  Speaker 1: because I couldn't believe it was happening. And that's a
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  Speaker 1: tight moment that those guys, all these guys that graduate
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  Speaker 1: from this program, that even if they transfer to different schools,
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  Speaker 1: when you get interviewed at a finance job, everywhere you go,
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  Speaker 1: when you tell someone that I played at the Western
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  Speaker 1: Michigan program, they go, were you on the team that
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  Speaker 1: beat Michigan? And now, I mean, that moment is going
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  Speaker 1: to live on forever, them getting the second back and
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  Speaker 1: Underwood throwing the touchdown pass, which was a hell of
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  Speaker 1: a grab. I mean, it was... One thing that's underrated
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  Speaker 1: in the Hail Mary play is typically it takes an
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  Speaker 1: elite catch. Like, it's rare that you just hit the
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  Speaker 1: guy in stride or the guy's wide open, right? Even Caleb,
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  Speaker 1: was it last year when he kind of did the
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  Speaker 1: rollout against the Rams and the DB fucked up and
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  Speaker 1: Komet just kind of was right there by himself? That
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  Speaker 1: doesn't happen very often. Remember the Rodgers famous Hail Mary
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  Speaker 1: against the Cardinals when I think Richard Rodgers was his name.
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  Speaker 1: You're usually high pointing the ball in traffic, falling onto
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  Speaker 1: other bodies. It is a fantastic play. But I think
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  Speaker 1: the problem is, and I'm by no means some Michigan hater.
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  Speaker 1: I've always somewhat supported them over the controversial things that
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  Speaker 1: happened over the course of the last three or four years.
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  Speaker 1: not Sharone more withstanding. I'd ideally not like my football
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  Speaker 1: coach banging the assistant in his office when he's married
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  Speaker 1: with three kids at home, but that's a topic for
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  Speaker 1: a different day. I think those kids, obviously the coach,
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  Speaker 1: that is a seminal moment in their life. For a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us, professionally... When you have a great opportunity,
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  Speaker 1: when you're in a big moment, sometimes you don't even
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  Speaker 1: realize it until you look back later. And you go,
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  Speaker 1: that was a butterfly effect moment for my life that
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  Speaker 1: changed me on the trajectory, on the path that I'm on.
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  Speaker 1: But at the time, even if you're cognizant of it,
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  Speaker 1: you don't quite, it's impossible to Typically, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: that there aren't individual instances where it's like, you're meeting
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  Speaker 1: with this guy, we land this business. Like I just
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: saw one of like Jalen Brunson, Josh Hart, Mikel Bridges,
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  Speaker 1: like their college teammate. now works at like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if it's Fidelity or Goldman Sachs or one of
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  Speaker 1: the big finance, he's in money management. They all just
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  Speaker 1: move their money to him. Like once those guys called
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  Speaker 1: and said, we all want you to represent us, I'll
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  Speaker 1: promise you this, when that guy took his book of
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  Speaker 1: business back, like how many clients you had? I got
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  Speaker 1: these four guys, average income's about $ 47 million. And they
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  Speaker 1: have a combined $ 400 million in cash in the bank.
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  Speaker 1: or in the stock market. That's my book of business.
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  Speaker 1: That guy got elevated up the totem pole fast, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's no dummy. He realized it. But in sports,
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  Speaker 1: when you're in a game, like these guys, I went
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  Speaker 1: to Fresno State. When you played a UCLA, when we
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  Speaker 1: played a Wisconsin, that program has played a million big schools.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone in that program understands that week, you don't need
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  Speaker 1: Newt Rockne speeches. You don't need win this one, for
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  Speaker 1: your family, for your parents, for the school. Everyone knows
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  Speaker 1: what's on the line. Those speeches typically are like when
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  Speaker 1: you're playing an average opponent or someone that you might like,
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  Speaker 1: hey guys, let's wake the bleep up. When you're Boise
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  Speaker 1: State playing Oregon, when you're Western Michigan, listen, Western Michigan
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  Speaker 1: isn't like some two-win team. I don't watch much MAAC football.
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  Speaker 1: but they won 10 games last year. Clearly they're a physical, well-coached,
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  Speaker 1: they ain't scared of shit. Now they were aided by
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  Speaker 1: the quarterback play, but man, that's a moment for that
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  Speaker 1: coach and those players that they would have the rest
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  Speaker 1: of their lives. And now it just doesn't exist. And like,
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  Speaker 1: do I think the Big Ten conspired to make that happen?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, clearly on their video evidence, which I'm still
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  Speaker 1: yet to see, but like, it's hard to take it seriously.
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  Speaker 1: It was, I said this last night, like Uncle Dennis,
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  Speaker 1: who's Kawhi's guy, that was just caught red-handed, right? Even
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  Speaker 1: he would watch that. It's pretty shady. That doesn't add up,
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  Speaker 1: you know? If you got no dog in the fight,
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  Speaker 1: and let's face it, at the point where you're not
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  Speaker 1: a Michigan guy, you're kind of rooting for the upset
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  Speaker 1: because you understand the history behind it. I do think
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  Speaker 1: point spreads... you know, week one when you're four touchdown underdog,
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  Speaker 1: like you have no clue who's good and bad. you
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  Speaker 1: know you really don't like some teams that you think
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  Speaker 1: are good are not nearly as good and then some
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  Speaker 1: random teams are way better than you think especially at
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  Speaker 1: the groupified level but that that just that blows I
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  Speaker 1: mean that sucks for those guys in that program that
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  Speaker 1: have spent, like Michigan, the last four or five weeks
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  Speaker 1: in training camp, grinding their ass off up early, going
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  Speaker 1: to bed late, just grinding it through getting ready for
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  Speaker 1: this moment, and they showed up and they came through.
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  Speaker 1: That's the other thing. In football, you know when your
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  Speaker 1: moment's there, and you either are going to produce for
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  Speaker 1: 60 minutes or not. You're either going to put a
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  Speaker 1: good foot forward and be in the game or like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of teams yesterday or on Saturday, if you're
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  Speaker 1: listening to this on Monday, get the living you-know-what kicked
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  Speaker 1: out of you. And Western Michigan showed up to play.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the other glaring thing of that travesty
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  Speaker 1: that was that game was if I ran a major
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  Speaker 1: program with big money behind it, like a school like Michigan,
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  Speaker 1: Part of the devastation of last night is Bryce Underwood
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  Speaker 1: is not on Kyle Whittingham. He has absolutely nothing to
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  Speaker 1: do with Bryce Whittingham. He obviously wouldn't have recruited him
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  Speaker 1: at Utah. Way too big of a recruit. And he
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  Speaker 1: just inherited the guy. Whose, you know, rookie freshman season was,
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  Speaker 1: I think, canceled out a little bit. Because like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: the head coach... It was trying to bang everything that moved.
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  Speaker 1: Wasn't focused. The program wasn't disarray. It almost got put
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  Speaker 1: on Sharon more than Bryce. But anyone that watched Michigan
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  Speaker 1: last year was like, I don't know, something's missing. Like
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  Speaker 1: something's just off. I said the same thing with Arch.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll get into him later. But usually over time,
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  Speaker 1: especially in college more than the pros, like you could
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  Speaker 1: see an 18, 19 year old guy take a huge
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  Speaker 1: leap season to season. You're like, okay, this is a
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  Speaker 1: different player. There are a small percentage of guys Anyone that,
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  Speaker 1: I don't blame you if you didn't watch much of it,
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  Speaker 1: but Keelan Russell, you know, from Alabama. At first, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what's going on here? And he's an eight,
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  Speaker 1: you know, redshirt freshman. As the game went on, you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot to work with here. This is something.
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  Speaker 1: I never once last year watching Michigan went, I think
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  Speaker 1: there's something there. I went, I don't know, this is
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  Speaker 1: a major red flag. I don't know how anyone that
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  Speaker 1: watched that game, especially Michigan fans, would go, this guy's
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  Speaker 1: got dramatically worse. Like, sometimes regression is, I think, an
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: overused term, right? It's easy in all of our worlds,
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  Speaker 1: like in mine. Are we gaining more revenue than we
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  Speaker 1: did the previous year? Are we gaining more listeners and viewers?
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  Speaker 1: Do we have more sponsors? Like, most of our industries...
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty easy to make an objective, like black and white,
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  Speaker 1: quantify are we growing or dying. Sometimes with quarterback play,
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  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, he looks a little bit better, but
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  Speaker 1: he looked worse. He looked worse. They gave him like
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  Speaker 1: $ 12 to $ 15 million out of high school. And if
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  Speaker 1: you think that drafting guys out of college is different,
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: which it clearly is at any position, especially quarterback, high
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  Speaker 1: school is way harder. And the one thing that's very
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  Speaker 1: evident in college football that a guy like Bryce Underwood,
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  Speaker 1: DJ Lagway, somewhat of an Anthony Richardson guy, Jackson Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: who's bounced around now. Some of these like athletic. This
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  Speaker 1: guy's a freak. He's got a huge arm. He can
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  Speaker 1: throw it 700 yards. He can beat DBs in races.
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  Speaker 1: That's great. But at the highest level of football, and
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  Speaker 1: I would say that is big-time Division I football, like
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  Speaker 1: the Big Ten, the SEC. If you're playing the right teams,
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  Speaker 1: Miami or Texas Tech or whoever the good teams are
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  Speaker 1: in the Big 12 and the ACC. You got to
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  Speaker 1: be able to play quarterback. That means be calm, deliver
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  Speaker 1: the ball accurately. Like the most important part of being
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback is not hitting some, like the Jeremiah Smith
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  Speaker 1: had an unreal go route and he's clearly going to
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  Speaker 1: be like a top five pick next year. Uh, it
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  Speaker 1: probably would have been the last like two years, but like,
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  Speaker 1: Most quarterbacks, if they just throw five go routes and
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: you give them a Jeremiah Smith guy, and I'm not
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: trying to diminish Julian Sane at all. It was a
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  Speaker 1: nice pass. They kicked the shit out of him. But
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: you're just going to throw a go route down the
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  Speaker 1: sideline to a blue chip guy. You're going to hit
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  Speaker 1: some of them and they're going to look really good.
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  Speaker 1: But where you really make your money is when it's
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  Speaker 1: like third and six and we're running a couple short
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  Speaker 1: to intermediate routes. Can you just hit the guy in
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  Speaker 1: stride who might only be open for a split second
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  Speaker 1: to get a seven, eight yards and keep the sticks moving?
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  Speaker 1: That is the, and obviously in the red zone, third down,
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  Speaker 1: red zone, critical areas, be accurate. And you're watching this guy,
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  Speaker 1: he's not only inaccurate, it ain't even close. The thing
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  Speaker 1: that jumps out to me is he's not like some
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  Speaker 1: dynamic athlete. I'm not saying he's a bad athlete, but
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  Speaker 1: you watch him run around, you go, This isn't like
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  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray in college. This isn't even
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts in college. My takeaway is I don't see it.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, this is not Kyle Whittingham's problem.
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  Speaker 1: This guy was already on the roster, paid huge money.
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  Speaker 1: I know nothing about their backup, who is Notre Dame
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  Speaker 1: starting quarterback's brother, who I guess is a four-star recruit.
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  Speaker 1: And who knows? Maybe he hasn't been good in camp either. He's,
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  Speaker 1: I think, a freshman. I don't think you can keep
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: rolling this guy out. I think you just got to
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: punt on these things. It's become more complicated now with
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: the NIL, but there is not, like, I'd bet $ 1, 000
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  Speaker 1: right now Bryce Underwood has multiple other schools in his future.
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  Speaker 1: He's a lock to be on another team next year,
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  Speaker 1: and then that probably won't work out and he'll be
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  Speaker 1: on another team. And I feel somewhat bad, like, pre-NIL,
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  Speaker 1: and you were just giving the guy $ 10, 000, $ 15, 000 under
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  Speaker 1: the table. It's like football, it's hard. Once you're making
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: millions of dollars, you're kind of held to a different standard.
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  Speaker 1: And honestly, when I watch these games, I view it
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  Speaker 1: much more like the NFL, much more transactional, much more
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  Speaker 1: Wall Street on grass. That was the thing with Michigan
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  Speaker 1: watching them. There's not a starter on Western Michigan. Whoever
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  Speaker 1: their highest paid starter is, he'd probably be the poorest
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: guy in Michigan's two deep. Those are the thoughts that
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: now go through my mind. That's the world we're in.
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  Speaker 1: And I know everyone says, well, once the games start,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: it just becomes about football. Yeah, kind of. Once it's,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: you know, Indiana, Ohio State, or Texas playing LSU. But
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: in these games, I'm sorry, my financial brain is viewing it, well,
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  Speaker 1: this quarterback's making $ 3 or $ 4 million a year, and
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  Speaker 1: it looks like he would not start on any top
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  Speaker 1: 50 program in the country if there was no money
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  Speaker 1: involved and you just had to go win a job.
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  Speaker 1: Because I don't even see anything there. And I think
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  Speaker 1: Michigan has a massive, massive problem. Kyle Whittingham, as a
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: West Coast football follower, Utah back in the day was
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  Speaker 1: in the WAC, then they've gone to the Mountain West,
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  Speaker 1: and then they moved to the Pac-12. He was the
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  Speaker 1: coach there starting in 2001. So for 25 years, the
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  Speaker 1: majority of that time, I guess he took over when
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  Speaker 1: Urban left, so it would have been 2005 or 2006,
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  Speaker 1: was not Alex Smith playing quarterback. They were not producing
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  Speaker 1: guys getting drafted number one overall. They won a lot
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  Speaker 1: of guys or a lot of games with guys like
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  Speaker 1: Snoop Huntley, who I'll promise you this, the Huntley I
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: watch now in the NFL is a dramatically better player
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  Speaker 1: than the guy was in college. Utah won a ton
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  Speaker 1: of games with grit, with guile, with elite defenses, with
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that were two- and three-star recruits
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  Speaker 1: that became NFL players at the defensive line position, the
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  Speaker 1: linebacker position, corner, at running back at tight end, out
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  Speaker 1: of nowhere. And it wasn't because of the quarterback play.
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  Speaker 1: So if you saw the look on Kyle Whittingham's face, like,
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  Speaker 1: what did I sign up for here? Because, again, I...
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  Speaker 1: I guess it is what it is. He just stinks.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's nowhere, he stinks. And for them to celebrate,
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  Speaker 1: which I get it, we're human beings, you win the game.
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  Speaker 1: But it was, it's one of the, you guys are
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  Speaker 1: rushing the field? And I don't even blame the fans,
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  Speaker 1: because if you stayed that long for that performance, you,
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  Speaker 1: especially that second to last play, you thought the game
• 18:47
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• 20:30
  Speaker 1: and I talked about this last week, is I have...
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Respect is probably the wrong way to put it. Maybe envious.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: of Belichick. I use him as an example of someone
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: that just thrives in chaos. And since then, Lombardi quit.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Belichick's son, Steve, has been accused of clearly doing blow
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: in the office. Pretty well known in football circles. He's
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: been in rehab, which ain't the first time, which again,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: I got empathy for people with problems. But when you
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: bring the guy to my school and he has previous problems,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: that's on Bill. Bill's unfazed. I think Bill walks into
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the meeting room on Monday, and it's like his GM
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: just quit because he's got this crazy investigation going on.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: His son's being accused of giving drugs to other people.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I don't think you would even notice it on the
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: way he carries himself, on the game plan. Lane Kiffin
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: is a lot like that. The difference is Bill doesn't
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: really want to talk to anybody. Lane is like this
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: version of real-world... or you know reality star meets like
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Hollywood actor kind of thing going on especially now that
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: you know I know he's him and Sark claim they
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: they're sober which I believe them but like they both
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: got the ozempic look going like they don't eat anything
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Super skinny, in great shape, which I respect Dan Lanning for.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: You got DeBoer, too. All these guys are sucking down
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the skinny jab on a daily basis, not eating anything
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: in sight. And you got Lanning just with the normal bod.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the New Mexico game.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I didn't watch much of it. Their coach, that's what
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I want my football coach to look like. Some of
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: these guys, come on, guys. Let's cool it on the Ozempic.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: But I think what gets lost with Lane for all
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the crazy and chaos, like, I hate drama. And I've
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: never been to a therapist, though some have wanted me
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: to go over the years, is clearly something in my childhood,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: when drama happens, I run. I avoid it. I despise it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I'm not into it. And the older you get, that
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: only gets, I would say, cemented even more. Like I
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: don't do friends who bring a lot of drama to
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the team. I don't do people in my life that
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: bring a lot of drama. Honestly, I think that's why
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I think Colin and I have gotten along and he's
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: been great. I am just, I'll leave you alone. You
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: leave me alone. We'll just, I'm good. I ain't going
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: to be hitting you up with questions, peppered you on shit.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Like I'm fine. I'm a pretty good independent operator. Lane
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: kind of lives in the mud. Kind of loves the mess.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: It goes back to the story about when, you know,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: David Carr and Billy Volick were taking all of his
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: reps when he was a senior at Fresno State. And
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Jeff Tedford, who at the time was the offensive coordinator,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: told him, you ain't going to get any reps, buddy.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And Lane's like, I quit. And Tedford says, okay, quit, leave.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And Lane left. And then I think the next day or,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you know, story has it maybe later that day, Tedford's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: like why don't you just be a coach and he
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: just became a coach while he was on the team
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: as a player technically he's you know like the four-string
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: quarterback but Lane grew up in a chaotic situation anytime
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: your dad is a coach you just you're kind of
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: on the move a lot you you kind of I
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: don't even feel comfortable in that like me and I'm
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: sure many people listening we couldn't function in that world
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: some people view it as I can function in your
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: world where there's no drama and there's no shit. Because
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: that game was over in the blink of an eye.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: The moment the Clemson quarterback threw a pick six to
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: make it 17-3, I just went, I don't know what
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the final score is going to be, but this thing's
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: going to be a lot to a little. And it
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: ended up 51-10. And you look back on the drama,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and it's pretty clear. I texted around to some NFL people,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: especially some people with southern Louisiana ties, I was like,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: what do you think of my theory? Because the SEC,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: you know, Greg Sankey was on the stand for like
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: three hours. I'm like, Lane, most people are not Notre Dame.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: The LSU is kind of like an NFL team. They're
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: dependent on the NFL. They're dependent on the partnerships. LSU
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: is not bigger than the SEC. Just like no program
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: in the SEC is bigger than the conference. LSU is
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: dependent on their rivalries with Alabama, with Georgia, with Florida.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Those games, those brands, them all being in it together,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: make the power of that conference. And LSU is a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: major part of it. And they're one of its biggest
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: brands in football when things are right. They have years
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: where they are the biggest brand. Texas now, Oklahoma being involved,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: and A & M. They're all connected arm in arm.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So the moment it got like, if you guys do this,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: we're going to fucking kick you out of this conference.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: I dare you to call my bluff. Because we're not
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: doing this. And, you know, I think Lane loves the drama,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: played it out. But what happened when push came to shove?
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: They didn't put the guys on the roster. Because you
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: can't tell me. There's only been a couple people to
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: tell Lane no over the course of the last decade.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: His wife and Nick Saban. No co-ed at any of
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: these universities have told him no. Jimmy Sexton's never telling
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: him no. He's never telling himself no. You can't convince
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: me someone didn't say that matters, that's powerful. Like, Lane,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: we're not doing this. Draw a line in the sand.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: And the thing that was evident when you watched his
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: team play, which all it took was watching like the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: first quarter. Lane, your team's incredible. You have a $ 50
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: million roster. Your quarterback looks awesome. You now have a
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: running game. Your defense, every single guy looks like Patrick
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Peterson or all their sweet linemen over the year. I mean,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: their team, I understand Clemson is a shell of itself,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: but LSU, the speed, the violence, the explosion of their
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: guys was like, holy shit. And I think the thing
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that overshadows all this is Lane is elite at his
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: job now. He's elite at his job. And, listen, I
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: know the media loves Sark. Ryan Day's won a national championship. But, like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Lane hasn't accomplished that. I mean, the biggest wins of
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Lane's career was a playoff game against Georgia that he
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: didn't even coach. And I would say his second biggest
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: game of his career was going toe-to-toe with Miami. Again,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: he didn't coach it. But, like, he built Ole Miss.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: And Ole Miss was a freaking joke when he got there.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: They were in shambles. And the thing Lane's great at,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: which Dabo is the polar opposite at, I get asked
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: this question a lot. You know, young people, advice, or
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: just like, what are your aspirations? I don't know. The
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: industry I work in changes year to year. I just adapt.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I heard Kenny Dillingham interviewed recently. And he's like the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: number one kind of ethos of my program building in
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: this world that we live in now in college football
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: is the only thing I think about is adapt. And
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: year to year, whatever we got to do, I just
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: have to be able to adapt. And Lane Kiffin was
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: known as the transfer portal king like four years ago.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And part of the reason he left for Ole Miss,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: which I can imagine if you're an Ole Miss fan,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: it was very emotional. You had the best team, one
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: of them in like program history with a legit opportunity
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: to make a run, which they did, is that he
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: left you high and dry because the program he went
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: to is better, you know? Like, no one argued that
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: LSU was not a better program than Ole Miss. Even
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: in this crazy world of money. Like, it doesn't get
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: any better than that. What we witnessed on Saturday night.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And the access he has to players, which he's great at.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: His ability to coach, which he's clearly great at. His
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: ability to build staffs, which he's clearly pretty awesome at.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, Ole Miss literally hired the guy that he
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: hired for his defensive coordinator three or four years ago.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Charlie Weiss Jr., who's been his offensive coordinator now for
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: a long time. And I give him credit. Now, it
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: might have been forced on him, but he kept Blake Baker,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator at LSU that Brian Kelly brought on. Why?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Because the guy's an ass kicker. So sometimes we, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this, is like, oh, so much going on. Yeah,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: on the outside, we're talking a lot about it. Do
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I think that fazes Lane? Do I think that keeps
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Lane up at night? I do not. I don't think
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: he's fazed. Because when I watch that team, that team
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: looked like one of Saban's peak teams. And Saban's the opposite, right?
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Saban is, anyone I know that worked for Nick Saban,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: and this has been well documented, over the years he
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: has every day planned out January 1st through December 31st
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: every single day now obviously when bye weeks fall and
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: you don't know your schedule on a year-to-year basis he
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: tweaks it a You know what March 23rd is going
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: to look like. You know what August 4th is going
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: to look like. You know the schedule for your third
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: opponent is going to look like. His discipline and detail
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: is like second to none. Saban is not a chaos guy.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Lane is. Belichick kind of is. And if you're good,
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. So all the hoopla about the kids
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: and who were going to be backups anyway, I just
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: think Lane kind of likes that BS. It's like no
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: different than like a reality star. No different than some
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: of these Hollywood actors, some of the weird shit they
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: get into. They kind of like people talking about them.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: For every guy that hates TMZ waiting for them, you know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: some people don't, right? You see some clips of the
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: occasionally like Michael Strahan or just like a normal guy.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, stop following me with your camera. Sometimes
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the guys that walk out call them to make sure
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: they're there. That kind of feels like Lane. Boise, Oregon.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: You know, everyone's crushing Oregon because a lot of people
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: picked them to be the national champion. This team on
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: paper looks incredible, and then all of a sudden they're
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: down 17-7. Then all of a sudden it's 24-24 Boise.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: But I think what a lot of people are missing
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: with this one is that Boise's a pretty rare program.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about this today. I was very lucky
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: growing up to see a lot of guys who were
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: extremely successful in the farming business and in the construction world.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: I grew up in a small town. Where I grew
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: up in Davis, California, where UC Davis is, is separated
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: from Sacramento by a thing called the Causeway. And it's
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: why when Sac State and UC Davis, big rivalry, Ohio State,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Michigan in the 5-3-0 is the causeway is basically farmland
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: in a bridge. You know, the bridge goes over it
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: and you drive right into SAC. My mom used to
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: drive to SAC every day growing up to go to work.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: She had like a 10-minute drive. Longer now because traffic's
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: so terrible, so many people move there. But regardless, most
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: people that I knew growing up who were very successful
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: as business owners in the private sector, Didn't go to Harvard, UCLA, Northwestern, Stanford.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Most of the people I was around who were living
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: in the biggest houses, who had all the money, had
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: gone to the best university they had gone to was
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: UC Davis, but we had a ton of guys, Chico State,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Fresno State, Cal Poly, state schools. And these guys, and
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I was thinking about what did they all share in common?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: They all had deep belief in themselves. And obviously, I
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: would say they all had huge balls and they were
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: not scared. But I think first to get big balls
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and not be scared, because I think inherently most people,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: you're going to question yourself. Am I good enough? Can
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I do this? But I think as you build up
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: some confidence in that belief in yourself, the fearlessness comes.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: And Boise State represents, which, listen, I went to Fresno State.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: They were technically a rival, but they weren't because they
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: beat us every single time we played them. Because back
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: then with Chris Peterson and Kellen Moore, they'd never lost.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: And still to this day, they're not as good. A
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: couple years ago with Gentee, they won 10 games. Last
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: year they won nine games. This year, I mean, they
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: sure look like a 10-win team to me. They're still,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: if not the best, non-Power 5 or non-Power 4 program.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Top two or three. And I think when you get there,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: there is a belief that is instilled in you as
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a player that we're not here to just beat New Mexico.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: When we show up to play Oregon, we not only
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: think we can win, we're going to win. Because I
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: look today, in the last 20 years, they have played
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Oregon five times. I remember when I was at Fresno,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: they played him when Mike Belotti was the coach. Chip
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Kelly was the offensive coordinator. The following year, Mike Belotti retired,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: aka was fired, pushed out, so Chip could be the
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: head coach. They beat him back-to-back years in Eugene. One year, 37-32.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: The next year, 19-8. Then they have played him three
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: times over the course of the last 10 years. They
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: played him in the Las Vegas Bowl. where Boise won.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: So I've just listed three times. 2008, 2009, 2017, beat
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: them all. Well, how about the NIL era? They have
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: now played them twice. 2024, Ash and Jenty went nuts.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: They lost 37-34. And on Saturday, they played them again,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: and they lost by a touchdown. So they played five
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: times in 20 years, Boise's won three times, and the
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: two times they've lost during the NIL era, where Boise
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: definitely does not have a player that starts for their
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: roster that wouldn't be the poorest guy on Oregon in
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: their two-deep. Which, again, this is the conversation that is
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: college football when these matchups are going on. When Boise
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: shows up to play Oregon... They don't like plan on winning.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: They 100% think they're going to win. Like when Lane
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Kiffin was texting everyone all week, we're going to win,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: we're going to win, we're going to win. He truly
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: believed that. He even said after the game, like crazy
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: part is, is I thought we'd win like 35 to 10.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize they were that shitty on offense, which
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Dabo is a completely, you know, different conversation. Like at
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: this point in time, when Dabo shows up, I don't
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: believe he thinks he's going to win. Because confidence can
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: be taken away fast. That belief in yourself that Dabo
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: once had, how could he have it right now? He's
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: not having any success. Plus, Tony Elliott, his former offensive coordinator,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: and Brett Venables, his former defensive coordinator, are at Virginia
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: and Oklahoma killing it. Turns out, were they the brains
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: of the operation? Well, Boise's proven they've been good for
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: like 30-plus years. Dan Hawkins, and part of the reason
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I know a lot about this program is because Dan
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Hawkins and Chris Peterson went to UC Davis. where my
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: dad knew all these guys. They all knew each other.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: So we've always kind of followed that program. Then I
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: went to Fresno State, and those guys were just kind
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: of interwoven in the conference. But you watch Boise go
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: in there, like their offensive coordinator was slicing and dicing
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: their defense. And the thing Boise's always had, I remember
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: one time when I worked for the Eagles, I was
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: in Sean McDermott's office. He was our defensive coordinator my
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: first year. And we were talking about some of the
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: players in the draft, if I remember correctly, and Boise
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: State came up. And I had been there a couple times.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: We played there one year, and they beat us like 60-10.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: And we started talking about their roster and their guys, like,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: what do you think's in the water? I'm like, I
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: think they do two things extremely well, is like their
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: coaches are kind of like the academic version of– the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: schematic side of the football. When you look at Chris Peterson,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: you know, when you look at their guy now, clearly,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: but they're like interwoven with toughness and a physicality that's
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: pretty rare for smaller schools. You're either one or the other.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: You're like this ugly kind of brute. That's how you're
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: going to play. Or you're just going to be like
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: this Mike Leach, spread it out and try to score
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: a bunch of points because you don't have the athletes.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Boise's always blended the two things well. Like we plan
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: on hitting you right in the fucking chin. while we
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: outthink you around the ring. And I think Oregon, you know,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: typically they can out both you. They can out scheme you,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: and they can out athlete you. And for whatever reason, Boise,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: you know, they say styles make fights. It's why I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: give Oregon somewhat of a pass. Somewhat of a pass. Now,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: we'll see if some of these things rear their ugly
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: head as time goes on. Right? You know, Dante Moore, like,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think Dante Moore would be the number one quarterback,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: just based on the first week. Good player, made some
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: good throws, but things can change really, really fast, right?
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: And they're going to need him to be even better.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: They're going to need some of the guys on defense,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: like they lost Tosh Lupoi, who has been their defensive coordinator.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Their offensive coordinator, Will Stein, was viewed as one of
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the best offensive coordinators in America. He's now Kentucky's coach.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: It's hard to replace those guys. And I think Boise
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: just is one of the rare small programs who shows
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: up to a specific venue, that and Eugene, and 100%
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: they thought they were going to win when they got
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: off the bus. How can you blame them? I mean,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: a couple years ago with Ashton Genting, that was the
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: game that kind of put Genting on the map as like,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: this is one of the best players in the country.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: And they just kept following it up. But that game
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: at night against Oregon in 2024, was what really got
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the ball going. And by the end of the year,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: he's the sixth pick in the draft. So I think
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Boise is just, it's weird because they don't, some of
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: these programs, you know, whether it's basketball, whether it's football,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: have a chip on their shoulder. I don't feel Boise
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: necessarily has a chip on their shoulder. There's like, this
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: quiet confidence. It's almost arrogance of like, we're fucking good.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: And most years, if we don't get our players rated
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and our coach is solid, they kind of, they missed
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: on a coach a couple years ago. It sure feels
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: like this guy they got now is pretty good. It's like,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: we're going to win the majority of our games. We're
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: going to out-think you. We're going to out-tough you. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: it's going to take a team like Oregon with a
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: million NFL players to pull something out of their ass
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: at the end of the game. Because we're not intimidated
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: by this stadium where you can't hear yourself think. So
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I thought that game was more about Boise than it
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: was Oregon. And listen, we'll find out. Maybe Oregon's overrated.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: But I've seen this song and dance before. They've been
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: in the same position countless times and turned out to
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: be excellent. It's just one of those things where Boise
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: has their freaking number. You know, really quick on the
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: dabble thing. I think it's twofold. And you saw this
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: with John Harbaugh. You know, in coaching, sometimes you just
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: go into the same office. Your motivational tactics, like how
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: many motivational tactics can you have? How many times can
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you reinvent yourself? And it's why there's typically a shelf life.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Andy Reid was fired from the Eagles. John Harbaugh was
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: just fired. Jim Harbaugh's been fired. Most coaches get fired.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: And look at James Franklin, who played like the Sisters
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: of the Poor, but he looks like a motivated, rejuvenated
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: human being. Because sometimes change can be the healthiest thing
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: for all of us. When I look at Dabo, I go, Dabo,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you should have jumped ship last year. There were a
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: million jobs open. You surely could have got one of them.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: And As you stay there, your brand is going to
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: diminish by the year. Because you played a game against
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Lane who does everything the modern game demands in terms
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: of football and roster building. He's very aggressive with the
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: best coaches. He's extremely aggressive in the portal. And he'll
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: do anything to land players. Dabo is very loyal to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: guys on his roster. where in this world, and I
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: know his big thing is family, which I do respect,
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: but college football is no longer about family. College football
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: is a transactional, mercenary sport, coaches and players. And I
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: don't think Dabble looks at it like that, which in
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: a weird way is very commendable. It's also why he's
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: getting the shit kicked out of him on national TV
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: against LSU. That game looked like, depending on where you live,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: There's typically, you know, like where I came from in
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Northern California, there were a couple powerhouses. De La Salle
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: and Folsom, who on a given year can be ranked
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: in the top 20 of high schools in America. And
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: when they play each other, in a perfect world, it's
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: a really good game because they're both elite programs. But
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: think how many games you got to play throughout the
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: high school season. So you get, and it's so different
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: in Arizona or Southern California or Texas. You're going to
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: play some teams. Where I went to high school, Davis High,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: They play Folsom, who is better than De La Salle now.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: My high school forfeited the game. I guess someone told
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: me this last year or two years ago. I don't
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: know if they had enough healthy bodies or they just
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: didn't feel like it was safe. And that happens a
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: lot in high school football. Kind of rare. ASU. ASU
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: played Morgan State yesterday. I honestly didn't even know the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: game was going on. They were up 70-7 going into
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. The head coach on Morgan State grabbed
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: the referee and said, can you go ask Kenny Dillingham
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: if we can shorten the fourth quarter? He came over
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: to Kenny Dillingham and Kenny's like, yeah, sure. What does
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: he want to play, like a five-minute quarter? They ended
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: up playing a 10-minute quarter. So instead of a 60-minute game,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: they played a 55-minute game. You could have just called
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: the game, honestly. And I thought at halftime, he could
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: have just called the game. Dabo has no shot. Six,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: seven years ago, I guess it was five, six years ago,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: they played Joe Burrow and LSU in the national championship.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Dabo was in the national championship against those guys after
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: he'd won multiple national championships. And now he looks like
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: a 6-16 who just, when you play someone good, Miami's
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: going to do the same thing. Their quarterback, For as
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: critical as everyone is on Bryce Underwood, Clemson's quarterback was worse.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: He looked unplayable. And someone texted me that would know, said,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: you know, there are some rumors in the program. People
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: were saying, like, he doesn't look great in practice. The
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: best coaches, if he doesn't look great in practice, cut him,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: get him out of there, sign someone new. You should
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: have known that. He's been in the program forever. You've
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: got to be cutthroat. If you're not going to be cutthroat,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: you can't work in this business anymore making $ 12 million
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: a year because you're just going to turn into a
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: guy all scheme-ass team stealing from your program because the
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: way you're operating is so outdated. And a lot of
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: times when a guy gets run out at the end
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: who's a legend like Bobby Bowden or Joe Paterno, like
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: those guys were like 80 years old. It was like,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: it was time anyway. But you just couldn't force the
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: guy out because he was like so old. It's like
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: you're going to get sued for, what's it called, uh,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I can't even think of the word. Jack slept about
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: two hours last night. That was fun. But I just
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: think that Dabo's refused to adapt, and it's going to
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: get uglier. The NIL era, man, is a trip. Indiana is,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: think about this, Fox this week, big noon kickoff, which
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: is one of the biggest games of the day every
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: single week, is Michigan hosting Oklahoma, which in theory should
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: have been a great game. which probably Oklahoma's going to
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: win by 30 points. But Michigan and Ohio State have
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: carried Fox in this deal for a long time. Why?
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Because they are enormous brands in their rate, specifically Ohio State.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, there have been years Big Noon Kickoff had
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: like eight of the 13 games Ohio State in two
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: weeks it's Ohio State playing Kent State which isn't even
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: that weird Ohio State could play B & U and
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: you put them on TV six seven million people are
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: gonna watch they're a fucking they're an NFL program I
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: mean they're an NFL operation it's like putting the Packers
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: on TV the Steelers on TV yeah they could win
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: eight nine games have a quote-unquote down year they move
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: the needle it's like why do the Cowboys get so
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: many primetime games because people watch this is this isn't
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: rocket science And I just think the NIL era, no
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: one has benefited more from it than Indiana. I'm watching Indiana.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: It's like, where'd they steal this guy? Oh, Michigan State's
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: best wide receiver. Where'd they get this guy? Wisconsin's best
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: offensive lineman. And that's the thing back to Bryce Underwood.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Why would you ever buy a high school quarterback when
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: you could just buy the guys when you have the
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: money in the open market? You watch all this cross
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: tape of the teams playing, the Western Michigans, the Fresno States,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: and the Boise States. You find their best players. If
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: they're in positions of need, you call them up and
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: you say, how much do you want? Come here. Because
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: none of those guys would have gone to their program
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: if they could have gone to the bigger programs. That's
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: what makes, historically, these games so great when there is
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: an upset because it's like none of those guys were
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: offered a scholarship at the other school. Now it's clear
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: none of those guys at least are on the radar yet.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: They will be soon. And I just think the NIL era,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you got Indiana, which was the worst program in the
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: history of Division I football, is packed. The chick on
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: the sidelines, or the dude, I forget who it was,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: was like, it's 150 degrees currently on the field. It
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: was hot as balls. I'm like, this is a football
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: program now. This is a football school. Overnight, that's how
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: fast it happened. In two years, Cignetti turned them into,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: they got NFL players sprinting around everywhere. Now, I don't
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: know if they're going to be as good as last year.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Their defense... Looks like it's a little bit of a
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: work in progress, but offensively, I mean, they got wide
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: receivers everywhere. It was incredible. A couple other quick things.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Friday night, Miami kicked the crap out of Stanford, who
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I guess half their team was injured. Regardless, I mean,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: we know Miami was going to be really good. I
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: think you watch that. Most human beings do not watch
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Duke football, so we don't know much about Darian Mensah.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: We saw Tony last year because Miami was so good.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Tony looks dramatically better, and he was already incredible. And
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Mensah is a massive upgrade over Carson Beck, who was
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: a third-round draft pick, and before he broke his rib
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: or whatever, looked like going to be an NFL backup,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: no problem. Honestly, those two remind me a little bit,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: and part of it is the size and the way
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: he plays. Like when Mahomes, they shipped out Alex Smith,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: they put Mahomes in, and Mahomes got to play with
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: peak Tyreek Hill. And it was like, uh, this ain't fair.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: And for a couple years, it was 100% not fair.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: Those guys dominated. And we know Miami's going to be
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: excellent on the line of scrimmage. Their defense is going
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: to be fine. But if their offense is super dynamic,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: which clearly it's going to be with this kid playing quarterback,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I think you've got like a Mahomes-Tyreek Hill situation where
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Chiefs were good. Chiefs were going to the playoffs every year.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: All of a sudden it's like, you know, Beck leaves,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: let's go land Mensa and take some over the top.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Now winning a championship is hard. You need some breaks.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: You got to stay healthy. You know, it's, it's, it's
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: a gauntlet just to get to the national championship game.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, last year, Miami had to win three games
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: to even get there. So it's by no means, I
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: feel great plugging any team into the final two games,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: but you put this quarterback that they clearly are a dunk.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: And that's the other thing, why I'm so hesitant with
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: all these rankings on the quarterbacks. Like I, Listen, I
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: got to eat a little crow. I was very critical
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: on Arch Manning last year. I thought part of it
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: was the hype behind it, but the way people talked
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: about him, everyone making him the number one pick in
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: the draft. I'm like, how could you possibly put him
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: in the number one slot based on last year? It's impossible.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: It's just a complete guess based on his name. They
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: played Texas and Ohio State, who play this week, which
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: is going to be an incredible game. I think it was,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: I heard someone say, 115-10 overall. was the combined score
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: of those two games. I mean, it was a joke.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: But Arch had one touchdown pass. I think he had
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: several touchdown passes, but one of them to Coleman, who
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: looks like a monster. Some of the wide receivers in
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: the country right now, Jeremiah Smith, Tony, Coleman, Becker at Indiana,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the other dude at Indiana, I think Marsh. I'm sure
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I'm missing guys. There's some sweet wide receivers. But Arch
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: looks like he dramatically improved. He made a couple passes.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: It's hard to judge who he's playing. And we're going
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: to learn a lot more this week against Ohio State,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: at home, Matt Patricia. It's going to be a real
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: test for both programs who beat the living daylight out
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: of both teams they played. But I was like, okay.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't make him the number one quarterback as sitting
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: here on September 6th. But I will say, looks better.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Looks better. We could make some grand statements after this week,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: but I was impressed. I had heard a lot of things.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Jackson was telling me about him. I was excited to
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: watch him. I was like, gee, this is what this
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: guy looks like? Oh, wow. And last but not least,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of hype on the Cal Bears
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: as like an ACC sleeper. Full disclosure, I grew up
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: a big Cal fan. I used to go to games
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: with my dad at Memorial Stadium. They were never really
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: good when I was a kid in the 90s. But
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I kind of have always rooted for that program, especially
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: when Tedford got them good with Marshawn, Deshawn, Aaron Rodgers,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Jabba the Best, Cam Jordan. They just had a lot
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: of good– Mitchell Swartz. They had great players over the years.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Alex Mack. And they hired Tosh, who was a huge
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: part of those programs, as like this young up-and-coming hotshot
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: who had played there. I was like, I think Cal's
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: going to be pretty good. And then I turned on
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: the television, and I was up last night until 1130
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: watching that thing. I watched the final snap. I watched
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. And I went, actually, UCLA's pretty good.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: And it turns out that Bob Chesney, who, if you
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: coach at JMU, you might just be a future star.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Because they won that game 45-24 on the road. He
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: had Nico at times, who at one point in time
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: was talked about a little like Bryce Underwood, this highly
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: paid guy who didn't look that good. It's taken him
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: a little time. That's the best I've ever seen him look.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: He had shades, and part of it, he's 6'5, 230 pounds,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: high character guy, big arm. He was kind of moving
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: around like Josh Allen. Like, this guy's a fucking monster.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: And he's got these running backs he brought from JMU,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: and they just... Beat up Tosh. And part of Tosh's thing,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: former D-lineman, was with Tedford, was with Saban, was with Lanning.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Like when I think Tosh Lupoi, I think big time recruit,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: tough guy. He's kind of like the Bay Area version
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: of Eddie O. He's a dynamic recruiter. Used to be
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: back in the day called a bag man. Now it's
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: just called a wire transfer. D-line guy, just tough. Bob
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Chesney kind of looks like a Hollywood actor. Really good
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: looking dude, chiseled jawline, little scruffle. He just looks like
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: a guy that could be, kind of looks like Jeremy
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Renner or something. And his team just shoved them around. Now,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of people think that JKS, the Hawaiian lefty,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Cal's quarterback, could be a future top five pick. He
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: did not play that well. It wasn't all his fault.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: His offensive line looked like I was playing out there
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: for him. He was getting crushed. But Bob Chesney, to me,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: there are some parallels to Kalen DeBoer, who when you
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: looked at his resume, it's like, where's his school? It's like, oh,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: South Dakota. Where's his school? He'd coached at these places
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: you'd never heard of. And then as he started leveling up,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: he's like, just kept winning, kept winning, kept winning, kept winning.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Eventually he's at Alabama. And last year it was like,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: disaster season for Kalen DeBoer. It's like, well, he did
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: win a playoff game on the road against Oklahoma, who's
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: who I think has a chance to win the national
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: championship this year. Like, he has beat Kirby Smart. He
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: did beat Dan Lanning. Like, let's put the brakes a
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: little bit on DeBoer. Kind of knows what he's doing.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: This guy's the new version. All this guy does is win. Now,
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: part of it is no one ever saw him because
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: he was at Holy Cross. He was at this other
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: school in that area. And he finally goes to JMU.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: And you win at JMU, you're like, well, Signetti just
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: won at JMU. And I heard him in an interview
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: was like, well, when he got to JMU, Signetti took
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: all the players. We had like 10 guys on the roster.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Two years later, he's in the playoffs. Now he gets
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: to UCLA, whose program has been dead. D-E-A-D, dead. Goes
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: on the road to Cal, who I would say should
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: have easily been, based on their roster going into the season,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: like eight-win team. with the chance to win 9-10, best case.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: But it's a winning record, easy bowl game, excellent quarterback,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: really good high-end talent throughout the roster. And he beat
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: the shit out of them. And he not only beat
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: them bad, he kind of shoved them around. And I
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: just think sometimes you get to... I don't regret it,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: but I... I guess envious is probably the right word, jealous.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Some of you guys that like, hey, I went to Texas. Hey,
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I went to the University of Washington. I went to USC.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: I went to, you know, Florida. Whenever I meet someone
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: that does that, like I was there during the Urban
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: Meyer days, right? I went to, you know, Michigan when
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: we won national championship. It's like, that's just cool. I mean,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: that's just an easy, it's just something cool, a part
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: of your life that you get to have till the
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: day they put you in the ground. I went to
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: a school that outside of California, I used to tell
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: people when I lived in Philly, I went to Cal.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Because if I said Cal Poly, they'd be like, what?
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: What school did you go to? So I just said,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I went to Cal. Just so it was an easy,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about chicks and stuff, not people I actually
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: worked with. They all knew where I went to school.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: But my point is that when you go to a
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: small school, the reason I got into football was, I
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: remember getting bored when I was an undergrad. Like, I
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: don't want a normal person job. I miss football. And
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: I just walked right in and went to the athletic
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: program and went to the football program, and they just
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: gave me jobs right away. Which, you think you can
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: just walk right in in the University of Texas or
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: USC or Oregon and just get a job from just like,
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: what do you do? Yeah, I'm just in a fraternity
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: hanging out, drinking beers. I just want to get involved.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: Within like a week for the football program, I was
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: like the head whistle guy going drill to drill in
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: spring workouts. And then when I got to Fresno State,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: it was somewhat similar. I got to do a lot.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: And when you get to places that are smaller, sometimes
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: they give you more roles and more responsibilities, and you're
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: able to learn way more than if I would have
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: been in a situation where it's like, you know, I
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: went to Texas. My life probably would not, I might
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: not be sitting here. I actually know for a fact
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I 100% would not be sitting here. Where I'd be,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: who knows? Maybe things would be better. Maybe things would
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: be way worse. But Bob Chessie is a good example.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: He wasn't Urban Meyer or Nick Saban. He wasn't Bob Stoops.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: He wasn't their understudy. He didn't work for Dabo Sweeney.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: He worked for himself. At like 30 years old, at
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: programs most people have never heard of. And he just
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: mastered his craft. And then he played in yesterday, which
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: is by far, as a head coach, you know, last
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: year he played in the playoff game, but no one
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: gave him a chance. He didn't have a chance. He
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: got killed. It's like, you're an underdog on the road
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: against this team with this big-time quarterback. He's like, you
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: know what? My quarterback's pretty big-time, too. Tennessee once gave
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: him a four-year, $ 12 million contract. You know, this guy's
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: pretty legit. Now, it's taken him a while, but I
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: left that game thinking, Bob Chesney is big time. Write
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: that name down. This guy is going to be someone
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: you hear about for a long... Some guys just have it.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: You know, for whatever... They just got it. And how
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: they developed it before we found out they had it,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: it comes in different ways. Right? Clearly Penn State's guy,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Matt Campbell. Everyone said forever. It's like, he just kind
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: of has it. You know? And some guys don't. Like,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley is an excellent offensive coordinator. I think Lincoln
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: Riley has it. I don't know. I mean, I think Saban.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I remember one time I met Saban. Do you know
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: Saban's like five foot nine? Saban is not like some,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: like Andy Reid or Jim Harbaugh walking through the door.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: But I remember introducing myself to him and tried to
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: do some mutual guy that we would know. My cousin
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: was with me. who had played college football, had been
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: around coaches his whole life. We both kind of stumbled
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: over our words. Why? He just was fucking, he had
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: some aura intimidation. And this was probably 2011. This was
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: before Nick Saban was Nick Saban. He had won a
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: national championship, maybe two by then, but he was not
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: the guy that he is now. But I just remember
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: being so intimidated. It was like, There's a presence. I've
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: always said this about football coaches. When a guy walks
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: in the room, you feel him right away. You kind
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: of know. And I think Bob Chesney, there's something to him.
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: And the way he had Nico looking, I would not
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: write Nico off as being some guy that's not in
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: the mix to be some high pick because there have
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: been a lot shittier players in recent memory drafted really,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: really high. And if this guy puts it together for
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: the first time, well, he had a real coach. He
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: had a real structure. And he can run. He can
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: throw darts. Now, he can be a little inaccurate. Yeah,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I can live with that if you make some big plays.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: And that guy's going to make some big plays. So
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: congrats to Bob Chesney going to Memorial Stadium and winning
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: by three touchdowns. Did not see that one coming. The Volume.