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Dr. Robert Weber —Advancing Health Through Light · Ageless and Timeless Podcast®

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Speaker 1: Good morning everyone. This is Michelle Hughes from Ageless and Timeless.
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Speaker 1: Today I have doctor Robert Weber, who I've been speaking
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Speaker 1: with for a better part of this year, and he
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Speaker 1: lives in Germany, so it's nine hours ahead for him.
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Speaker 1: He's being very cooperative and staying up for us. So
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Speaker 1: thank you so much Robert for joining us here at
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Speaker 1: Ageless and Timeless. Welcome.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much for the invitation. Very happy
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Speaker 2: to be here and share some insights on our work
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Speaker 2: about your foot about modulation and laser therapy today.
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Speaker 1: And we love your accent, by the way. So all right,
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Speaker 1: well we want to dive in. So why don't you
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Speaker 1: tell us a bit about you first, who you are,
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Speaker 1: your journey to where you are today at Weber Medical,
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Speaker 1: and any of the scheps alone the way that you
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Speaker 1: think are informative and transformative to who you are and
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Speaker 1: what you're doing. So why don't you just dive right in?
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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So yeah, as you already mentioned, I basically
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Speaker 2: represent our family business, Weber Medica, so we are like
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Speaker 2: the very first or one of the very first companies
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Speaker 2: or businesses in the world. Yeah, working in this whole
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Speaker 2: field of laser therapy or nowadays also called photo biomodulation.
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Speaker 2: So the main background of this whole history is that
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Speaker 2: my father, he's a medical doctor and also a biochemist.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, he was working in medical practice for more
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Speaker 2: than twenty five or thirty years until the late nineties.
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Speaker 2: But you know, he was always facing lots of limitation
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Speaker 2: when we talk about youah, conventional medicine, and he was
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Speaker 2: always looking for other modern approaches to help, especially all
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Speaker 2: his chronic patients. And at that time, yeah, first data
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Speaker 2: came up showing evidence that light therapies, especially laser based
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Speaker 2: therapies can be very beneficial in pain management in acupuncture.
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Speaker 2: In the beginning, we had very good data and yeah,
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Speaker 2: so he used a lot of those technologies on his
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Speaker 2: patients where regular medicine did not really work or show
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Speaker 2: any benefits, and yeah, he very often saw really dramatic improvements.
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Speaker 2: And this was basically the starting point to decide to
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Speaker 2: create our own technology, so very advanced laser technology, multi
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Speaker 2: channel laser systems where you can treat basically multiple points,
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Speaker 2: multiple areas on the body at the same time with
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Speaker 2: deep penetration into the body, so you can really bring
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Speaker 2: in significant amounts of photones of life energy to restore
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Speaker 2: to regenerate tissue in the body. So again in the beginning,
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Speaker 2: mainly on pain management, but later on we also realized
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Speaker 2: or came across a lot a lot of good research
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Speaker 2: from especially Eastern Europe. Whether we're using lasers also systemically
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Speaker 2: by bringing laser directly into the blood flow for example,
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Speaker 2: may sound a little bit futuristic to some people, but
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Speaker 2: this has been done, especially in Russia for more than
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Speaker 2: forty or fifty years, even in the big university hospitals.
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Speaker 2: After surgery, they put the laser into the blood stream
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Speaker 2: to basically stimulate all the cells in your flowing blood,
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Speaker 2: like stimulate your body's own stem cells, stimulate the mitochondria.
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Speaker 2: So this way you can really, yeah, give the body
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Speaker 2: a boost or to help it regenerate itself. And near
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Speaker 2: the data has been really good from Russia or from
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Speaker 2: Eastern Europe. And then yeah, as I said, already we
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Speaker 2: created our own device now more than twenty years ago.
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Speaker 2: Already we did a lot of medical research on our patients,
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Speaker 2: but also in cooperation with lots of good universities and
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Speaker 2: other clinics worldwide, where we yeah, could basically show all
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Speaker 2: the evidence how successful. This light therapy can be when
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Speaker 2: it's used with the correct protocols in synergy with other therapies.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, so this has been a long journey. Now, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I grew up with this basically, so I joined the
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Speaker 2: whole company or business then. Yeah, also almost twenty years ago.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, so we were basically like splitting it a
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Speaker 2: little bit that my father is running more the clinical side.
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Speaker 2: He's treating the patient, developing the clinical protocols, and I
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Speaker 2: was focusing more on really educating people, creating the research studies,
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Speaker 2: bringing this whole new therapeutic option into the world. So
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Speaker 2: when is.
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Speaker 1: Low level lasers I guess that's the technical.
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Speaker 2: Name l l L And then is it l l
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Speaker 2: L P, l l LT for therapy, low level laser
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Speaker 2: therapy l LT.
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Speaker 1: And photo biomodulation. So when when did you turn the
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Speaker 1: corner from the you know, basic light there because we
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Speaker 1: all know that we're energetic beings and that light can
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Speaker 1: obviously affect us in the mitochondria of course, the key
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Speaker 1: to our health. So when did you turn the corner
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Speaker 1: to going towards the I V side where you were
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Speaker 1: actually affecting the mitochondria with low level laser therapy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, what we realized, of course when we talked just
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Speaker 2: about topical applications of light that we have certain limitations.
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Speaker 2: So of course that's what usually everybody can understand easily,
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Speaker 2: that we can have very good benefits just from sunlight.
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Speaker 2: For example, we all know that that we need the
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Speaker 2: sunlight for vitamin de production many other metabolic processes. But
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Speaker 2: you know, our skin is also like a barrier. It's
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Speaker 2: made to protect us, and so light like diffuse light
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Speaker 2: from sunlight, from sunlight or from lambs, cannot really penetrate
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Speaker 2: deep into the tissue. So it might penetrate into the
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Speaker 2: superficial layers of the skin and do some benefits in
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Speaker 2: this area. But if you want to go deep into
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Speaker 2: the body, so let's say we want to regenerate tissue
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Speaker 2: directly inside a joint, or you want to do it
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Speaker 2: on a systemic systemic level, what I already mentioned when
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Speaker 2: treating the whole blood flow, this is something which is yeah,
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Speaker 2: where you need very special technology where you need to
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Speaker 2: have focused light going directly into the tissue so that
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Speaker 2: you have a really sufficient amount of light photons really
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Speaker 2: stimulating the cells. And this is basically the technology we
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Speaker 2: have been developing and working on and researching for the
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Speaker 2: last twenty years.
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Speaker 1: Now, are you the only company that is doing ivy
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Speaker 1: a photo about biomodulation.
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Speaker 2: You're basically on an international level, I would say yes.
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Speaker 2: Of course, there are some other more simple devices, the
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Speaker 2: ones that have been there in the past in Russia.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, small, very simple, limited devices without of course,
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Speaker 2: very important without medical approval. So if you want to
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Speaker 2: use it here in the US or in Europe, you
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Speaker 2: really have to make sure you get the approve it.
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Speaker 2: And we have the CEO provts in Europe, we have
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Speaker 2: the FDA approval in the US. And yeah, of course
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Speaker 2: this is something you can only achieve when you do
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Speaker 2: a lot of work with research studies and yeah, you know, you're.
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Speaker 1: Very expensive work in a lot, very lengthy timeframe. So
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Speaker 1: this is really a big credential for Weber Medical that
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Speaker 1: you are FDA approved and you're what's what's it called
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Speaker 1: in Europe, your FDA.
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Speaker 2: It's called basically ce It's.
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Speaker 1: So and is that all of Europe like or is
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Speaker 1: that just in certain countries.
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Speaker 2: No, it's basically valid for whole Europe, or at least
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Speaker 2: for the European Union.
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Speaker 1: For the Union, So does that include Great Britain since
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Speaker 1: they're not in the European Union.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they still accept it. You know, they just left
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Speaker 2: the European Urine Union a couple of years ago, so
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Speaker 2: they have their own legislation now, but they usually accept
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Speaker 2: the CE marks. So we are we can ship broughdut
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Speaker 2: to the UK without any issues.
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Speaker 1: So Robert, what, what's the biggest challenge that faced you
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Speaker 1: as you navigated this journey from twenty years ago.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, the whole field of medicine is
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Speaker 2: like a very often kind of conservative area, so it's
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Speaker 2: very difficult if you want to approach people like medical
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Speaker 2: doctors who are really stuck in this Western conventional medicine field.
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Speaker 2: So of course everything is opening up now people are
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Speaker 2: looking more and more for alternative options. We all know that, yeah,
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Speaker 2: conventional medicine has its limitations and that many people don't
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Speaker 2: just want to treat the symptoms by taking another pill.
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Speaker 2: They really want to go to the root causes of disease.
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Speaker 2: And this is something we are working on. When we
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Speaker 2: bring such specific wavelengths of light directly into the cell,
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Speaker 2: we really want to go to the root cause of disease,
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Speaker 2: and we really want to give the body the ability
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Speaker 2: back to restore, to regenerate itself, and not just working
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Speaker 2: on symptoms of disease.
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Speaker 1: So one of the biggest biohaps today is plasma paresis
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Speaker 1: where through an IV the blood is taken out of
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Speaker 1: the body or some of the blood, not all of
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Speaker 1: it of course, and then oceanated and then re injected.
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Speaker 1: So how does your light therapy conjugate, let's say, or
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Speaker 1: combined with the plasma faresis, would that work together?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, I'm always telling people the intravenous systemic light
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Speaker 2: therapy is just in perfect synergy with so many therapies
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Speaker 2: because one of the key effects of the intravenous lasers
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Speaker 2: that you're really also opening up the microcirculation, so you
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Speaker 2: can combine it with infusion therapies, with nutrients you're giving
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Speaker 2: to your body because everything can be absorbed better in
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Speaker 2: the end when you combine it with a laser, and
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Speaker 2: you also basically activate all the cells in your in
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Speaker 2: your bloodstream, you're opening up detox passways. So there are
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Speaker 2: so many good effects on a cellular level which can
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Speaker 2: work in synergy with other things, you know, with people
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Speaker 2: combining it with stem cell treatments, with exosomes with yeah,
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Speaker 2: with plasmaphoresis, with oxygen, hyperbaric oxygen, with ozone, so there's
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Speaker 2: no contraindication. It's just the perfect synergy.
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Speaker 1: And right I'm heading over to this weekend to meet
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Speaker 1: Ed Clay. Are you familiar with Ed Clay and the
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Speaker 1: CTI Center in Tijuana. Uh, it's it's okay. When we
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Speaker 1: get when we get off our call, our podcasts, google
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Speaker 1: them because they may be a really good prospect for
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Speaker 1: your treatments. They are basically a hospital licensed in Mexico
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Speaker 1: plus a stem cell clinic, but they do all the
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Speaker 1: protocols you just mentioned, but they don't do the laser therapy.
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Speaker 1: So this could be a really good adjunct to what
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Speaker 1: they're doing. And I'm happy to introduce you to Ed.
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Speaker 1: He's one of the co founders. So yeah, let me
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Speaker 1: know offline whether you want me to take another step
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Speaker 1: and provide an introduction. Introduction. So okay. So those challenges
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Speaker 1: that you face were really the medical establishment and the
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Speaker 1: allopathic approach versus the functional medicine approach. Do you combine
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Speaker 1: any allopathic treatments with your functional medicine photo biomodulation treatments.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So we are also like you know, we
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Speaker 2: are German guys. We are very scientific driven, so we
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Speaker 2: are not like using just alternative approaches. So we are
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Speaker 2: also always cooperating with university centers, with other clinics. We're
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Speaker 2: not telling people stop your regular medication, so we try
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Speaker 2: to find the synergy. Sometimes it's also successful if you
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Speaker 2: can just reduce, for example, the amount of pills you're taking.
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Speaker 2: But of course it's also working in synergy with other approaches.
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Speaker 2: You know. We're also just to give you an example,
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Speaker 2: we are one of the main focus in our clinic
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Speaker 2: in Germany actually cancer therapy. And we're also not telling
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Speaker 2: people like stage four cancer patient to stop their chemo.
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Speaker 2: We also work with yeah, with oncologists who are doing
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Speaker 2: radiation and chemo, and then we try to incorporate our
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Speaker 2: technology to yeah, to maybe reduce on the other hand,
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Speaker 2: the dose of chemo.
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Speaker 1: So is there more acceptance now of your functional treatments
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Speaker 1: by the allopathic side of the equation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say it's growing for sure. You know,
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Speaker 2: right now we have like a hype in general when
14:40
Speaker 2: we talk about biohacking about longevity. Everybody now is talking
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Speaker 2: about red light therapy. So this whole field of light therapy, photobimodulation,
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Speaker 2: photobiomodulation is coming more and more into the mainstream. And
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Speaker 2: of course also many yeah, conventional doctors, they are more
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Speaker 2: open to such approaches.
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about who inspired you. Obviously your father
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Speaker 1: was a key one, but just go through some of
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Speaker 1: the mentor mentoring that you've had along the way and
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Speaker 1: how that has affected you and you know, creating who
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Speaker 1: you are today as a medical professional.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's one of the advantages of course, when
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Speaker 2: you do such a journey for twenty years, when you're
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Speaker 2: traveling the world, you meet so many great people, great
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Speaker 2: doctors in Europe, in the US at the conferences, and yeah,
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Speaker 2: you already mentioned of course my father, he's like the
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Speaker 2: leading expert behind this. But also when you look at
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Speaker 2: the conferences, we always bring together amazing people. For example,
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Speaker 2: doctor James la Porter from South Africa. He's a fantastic
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Speaker 2: doctor in the field of integrative cancer therapy. Also Tony
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Speaker 2: Fimanez maybe you know him from the Hope for Cancer
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Speaker 2: Clinics in Mexico. He's also a very good friend. And
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Speaker 2: I think they're doing a great job. Then we are
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Speaker 2: working very closely with Paul Anderson here in the US,
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Speaker 2: are very probably one of the most famous netropathic doctors
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Speaker 2: in the US. Yeah, we have amazing people in the
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Speaker 2: field of osthopedics, great biological dentists in Germany for example,
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Speaker 2: very famous right now doctor Dominic Nischutz, combining bringing the
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Speaker 2: laser into the field of biological dentistries. Yeah, it's growing
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Speaker 2: in all different areas of medicine right now.
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Speaker 1: Just so you know, Clay's Clinic hospital is literally next
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Speaker 1: door to Tony Jimenez Hope for Cancer and they really
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Speaker 1: do cooperate collaborate because of their you know, their combined
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Speaker 1: objectives of curing cancer is one of their protocols. So, yes,
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Speaker 1: I do know Tony. I've known him for about twenty
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Speaker 1: five years. Visited with him back in two thousand and
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Speaker 1: four when it was just you know, not for my
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Speaker 1: own thank god, for any treatment, but I did see
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Speaker 1: a lot of the patients there that were being treated
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Speaker 1: and doing the things that were at that time very
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Speaker 1: experimental and including stem cells. You know, we're in their
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Speaker 1: infancy in two thousand and four, of course. So okay,
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Speaker 1: so you've mentioned some of the people that inspired you.
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Speaker 1: Who do you aspire to be? What is your vision
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Speaker 1: of where Robert Webber is going to be to where
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Speaker 1: you are today and where you're going.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the main areas of interest for me
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Speaker 2: in the beginning was also when we talk about photodynamic therapy,
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Speaker 2: was the field of so called antimicrobial photodynamic therapy. So
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Speaker 2: because this photodynamic approach does not only work against cancer cells,
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Speaker 2: it's also against all different types of passage genes, especially
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Speaker 2: in the blood streams, so you can kill viruses, you
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Speaker 2: can kill bad bacteria, parasites. We did amazing research on
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Speaker 2: malaria in Africa, so I think that's a very exciting
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Speaker 2: field with all those chronic infections going on in the world.
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Speaker 2: You know, we had all the viral issues with the
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Speaker 2: COVID and things like that, and we have amazing natural
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Speaker 2: approaches here with photodynamic therapy. So this is one of
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Speaker 2: the core areas where I really want to see the
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Speaker 2: field growing. And this is yeah, also one of my
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Speaker 2: main expertise because we were the very first group to
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Speaker 2: do to publish studies in this field showing that, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: there has been a lot of in vitro research being
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Speaker 2: available also from the US universities where they could show
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Speaker 2: on blood in vitro that it's killing all different types
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Speaker 2: of pathogens, but we have been basically the very first
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Speaker 2: group to bring it into clinical practice. So this is
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Speaker 2: one of the very exciting fields. And then of course
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Speaker 2: this whole this whole field of treating neurodegenitive diseases, so
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Speaker 2: everything related to the brain. As you know, we are
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Speaker 2: just about to launch a very new helmet type device
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Speaker 2: with a couple of hundred laser diets inside where you
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Speaker 2: can really bring red and especially infra red light directly
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Speaker 2: into the brain. And this is opening up now with
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Speaker 2: the advancement in technology, so that you can bring a
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Speaker 2: lot of lasers relatively affordable now with high power, with
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Speaker 2: good focusing, so you achieve a really good deep penetration
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Speaker 2: into the brain tissue. And this is it might be
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Speaker 2: a game changer for treating everything related to the brain.
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Speaker 2: Just think about the Mancha Alzheimer's disease, think about Parkinson's stroke, recovery,
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Speaker 2: mental issues. We are talking about more than a billion
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Speaker 2: people worldwide suffering from mental or neuro conditions, and you know,
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Speaker 2: there are not too many there are not too many
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Speaker 2: good treatment options available for such diseases. And there are
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Speaker 2: already good studies available, even from Harvard University, showing how
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Speaker 2: beneficial infrared light can be for brain tissue. And now
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Speaker 2: we're just about to launch the very advanced technology. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think this might be a very interesting, maybe the
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Speaker 2: most interesting field of research now for the next few years.
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Speaker 1: So how do you how do you compare that product
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Speaker 1: innovation with what Sarah Turner is doing with the gut
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Speaker 1: and the brain helmets that she has.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are I know her, I know the technology.
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Speaker 2: There are other good technologies on the market as well,
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Speaker 2: of course like hers. There's a v light company, there's Neuuronics.
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Speaker 2: So a couple of brands now coming onto the market
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Speaker 2: with technology because the research is so promising. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: the main difference is they are all working with our
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Speaker 2: relatively old or relatively simple LED light technology. You know
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Speaker 2: the difference between LEDs and lasers. We always have to differentiate.
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Speaker 2: So is the coorent light and this way, especially when
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Speaker 2: you focus it with a good lens technology, you achieve
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Speaker 2: a much deeper penetration. And LED technology is not bad.
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Speaker 2: But the limitation, especially when you want to go through
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Speaker 2: the skin, through the skull bone also and you want
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Speaker 2: to go deep into the brain, it's very difficult or
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Speaker 2: I would say almost impossible to do it with LEDs,
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Speaker 2: and laser technology is giving you more opportunities.
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Speaker 1: So you're you're the only company using the laser technology versus.
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Speaker 2: The LED at this time, this is what we are
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Speaker 2: just about to launch. The product we have We have
21:44
Speaker 2: been developing this now for almost two years, and I
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Speaker 2: can tell you it's been a long, difficult and very
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Speaker 2: expensive project as well. But we are such strong believers
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Speaker 2: in this and I think the laser technology will make
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Speaker 2: a significant difference compared to all the li.
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Speaker 1: And how is this going to be connected to the microbiome?
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Speaker 1: Like you know, obviously the gut brain access has become
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Speaker 1: a very big subject matter in medicine today. So how
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Speaker 1: would your helmet affect the microbiome if it's being worn
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Speaker 1: on the head and it's being focused on the brain.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this helmet is mainly focusing on the brain. But
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Speaker 2: of course you can combine it here now we talk
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Speaker 2: about synergies as well again, so you can, you know,
22:28
Speaker 2: for treating the gut area. There are so many technologies
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Speaker 2: out there. You can use the topic calaser device, place
22:36
Speaker 2: it on your stomach, on your gut and bring the
22:39
Speaker 2: light and combine it with that. So that's of course
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Speaker 2: beneficial in many areas.
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Speaker 4: When we talk about this, I'm very interested in this
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Speaker 4: because I think it's it's something that will capture a
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Speaker 4: lot of attention, particularly because of the numbers the metrics
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Speaker 4: involved in dementia and Alzheimer's, and that it's growing, and
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Speaker 4: that people are the aging of the population, and.
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Speaker 1: Just the fact that Alzheimer's has been such an abysmal
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Speaker 1: failure in terms of the allopathic side, in terms of
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Speaker 1: all the money forty billion dollars have been spent and
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Speaker 1: really no cure. So this is really exciting what you're
23:22
Speaker 1: talking about. But because it's advanced to the gut brain
23:25
Speaker 1: access and you want to combine them. Who if somebody
23:29
Speaker 1: were going to buy purchase your product for the brain
23:32
Speaker 1: the helmet, where would you send them to purchase a
23:36
Speaker 1: laser that will do the work to combine synergistically with
23:41
Speaker 1: yours for the gut.
23:44
Speaker 2: Well, we also do have technology available also for home use,
23:48
Speaker 2: like infrared pads which you can place on the area
23:51
Speaker 2: from outside. So of course you it's the same thing
23:54
Speaker 2: like with the brain. You have to make sure you
23:56
Speaker 2: achieve a really deep penetration. So to be honest, I'm
24:01
Speaker 2: afraid with any des it will be also difficult to
24:03
Speaker 2: really go deep into or to achieve depenetration into the gud.
24:08
Speaker 2: So probably you need a more yeah, more advanced clinical
24:11
Speaker 2: laser system for this, or yeah, it might be in
24:15
Speaker 2: a clinical setting or there might be also lasers for
24:18
Speaker 2: home use. But yeah, again, our main focus now research
24:22
Speaker 2: has been especially on the brain technology, but I'm not
24:27
Speaker 2: too afraid to find solutions for the gut as well,
24:29
Speaker 2: because this is a more simple approach to bring the
24:32
Speaker 2: light here.
24:33
Speaker 1: Well, I saw online that your father was doing IVS.
24:37
Speaker 1: He showed the product that you have in the clinic
24:43
Speaker 1: where you do the green light the yellow light, and
24:46
Speaker 1: why couldn't that be adapted to the gut or my
24:50
Speaker 1: off place on my supposition.
24:55
Speaker 2: Well, here it's again the same thing. It's always about penetration,
24:59
Speaker 2: and especially when we talk about the lower wavelengths of light,
25:02
Speaker 2: which you just mentioned, like you know, the the red
25:06
Speaker 2: and infrared, which are more on the upper side of
25:09
Speaker 2: the wavelengths, they cant puriture penetrate relatively well, but the
25:14
Speaker 2: lower towards the spectrum of light, so first you have
25:18
Speaker 2: the yellow, than the green, than the blue, than the
25:20
Speaker 2: ultra violet. The lower wavelengths, the yeah, the weaker the
25:24
Speaker 2: penetration into the tissue, and it's very difficult of course. Yeah,
25:30
Speaker 2: when you are very thin layers of skin, you can
25:32
Speaker 2: bring some of the energy inside, but if you want
25:35
Speaker 2: to go through the stomach, deep into the gut. It's
25:38
Speaker 2: not the lower wavelengths.
25:40
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's not a plurry potency kind of situation
25:44
Speaker 1: that you could go into the arm with an ivy
25:47
Speaker 1: like he was doing for orthopedic some you know, some
25:50
Speaker 1: injuries on the internet that the the sites that I
25:55
Speaker 1: viewed he was working with. I think cancer patients you
26:00
Speaker 1: avoid chemotherapy, but also for injuries. Am I correct on that, Robert?
26:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course we are also doing a lot of
26:09
Speaker 2: those treatments. What you already mentioned. For cancer, you can
26:12
Speaker 2: bring laser light directly into the tissue by this interstitial
26:15
Speaker 2: technology WHILT just sound guided and injections go very close
26:19
Speaker 2: to tumors to irradiate it with infrared or red light.
26:24
Speaker 2: And of course you can also do this for joints
26:26
Speaker 2: in regenerated In regenitive medazine, we go with needles into shoulder,
26:31
Speaker 2: knee joints, and this way, when you're inside the tissue,
26:35
Speaker 2: inside the joint through the skin. Of course, then you
26:38
Speaker 2: can also apply blue lasers or yellow lasers, which are
26:42
Speaker 2: very strong effects, very good anti inflammatory effects, very good
26:46
Speaker 2: effects on stimulating stem cells and exosomes. But it does
26:50
Speaker 2: not work from outside. This is the crucial thing here, and.
26:54
Speaker 1: I was just about to ask you that question. So
26:56
Speaker 1: are you combining and just peptides with your IV treatments
27:03
Speaker 1: for laser for photo biomodulation.
27:06
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. This is also one of the growing areas
27:10
Speaker 2: right now in regenitive medicine. Again, we have all those synergies.
27:14
Speaker 2: We know from latest research when we talk about intravenious
27:18
Speaker 2: IV laser that just the laser alone has already amazing
27:21
Speaker 2: effects on your body's own stem cell production. So we
27:24
Speaker 2: have very good data now from a very yeah famous
27:29
Speaker 2: doctor from India who did a lot of research on
27:31
Speaker 2: that showing that stem cell numbers are really increasing like
27:35
Speaker 2: doubling after five sessions of intravenious laser, that telomeres are
27:41
Speaker 2: increasing in length again after intravenous laser, So you have
27:44
Speaker 2: an amazing anti aging or longevity tool with the intravenous laser. Also,
27:49
Speaker 2: like natural killer sets, everything can be measured that the
27:51
Speaker 2: numbers are increasing significantly just with the laser. But then
27:55
Speaker 2: of course if you inject something like stem cells like exosomes,
28:00
Speaker 2: can really potentiate them with the lasers significantly as well.
28:03
Speaker 2: And this is also an area where we have a
28:06
Speaker 2: lot of good publications available. Yeah, showing for especially for
28:11
Speaker 2: stem sets, that when they absorb the light energy, they
28:14
Speaker 2: are better when it comes to sell survival, so differentiation
28:18
Speaker 2: in the tissue. So it's a very big boost for
28:21
Speaker 2: those cellular therapies.
28:23
Speaker 1: So let's take a look at closer look at Webon
28:27
Speaker 1: Medical and your company's products. We're obviously talking about some
28:32
Speaker 1: of them right now, but let's go through the different products,
28:37
Speaker 1: what they do, and particularly I would like you to
28:40
Speaker 1: focus on the consumer because that's the area you had
28:43
Speaker 1: up where you started, right and I have on my
28:49
Speaker 1: watch that you set me, so I want to go through.
28:52
Speaker 1: I want us to go through and talk about that
28:54
Speaker 1: a little bit. So start from the top for the
28:56
Speaker 1: clinical side and then go down to the not down,
28:59
Speaker 1: but go through the consumer.
29:02
Speaker 2: If you could just go.
29:02
Speaker 1: Through the different products and what they each do and
29:05
Speaker 1: where they are in development.
29:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So our main background, again has been in
29:10
Speaker 2: the clinical work. So our main product has always been
29:13
Speaker 2: the bigger clinical laser unit which is used for all
29:17
Speaker 2: those injection therapies, for this IV therapies what we now
29:21
Speaker 2: already talked about, which we're using in cancer therapy and
29:25
Speaker 2: in fact chronic infection and in regenitive medicine in our clinics. Yeah,
29:30
Speaker 2: but you know, especially as we see so many international
29:34
Speaker 2: patients in our clinics, They're coming traveling from all over
29:37
Speaker 2: the world, coming for a week or two forgetting such
29:40
Speaker 2: an intense treatment, and then they're leaving back home, and
29:43
Speaker 2: they were always asking us what can we do. Do
29:46
Speaker 2: we have a practitioner nearby, but if not, what can
29:49
Speaker 2: we do to maintain the effects of the therapy? Do
29:53
Speaker 2: you have any recommendations or any products you can recommend
29:56
Speaker 2: to us for home use? And yeah, this has been
29:58
Speaker 2: basically the starting and for us to develop or create
30:02
Speaker 2: also special tools, Yeah, to give the patient the ability
30:07
Speaker 2: to continue treatment at home. And we've already talked now
30:10
Speaker 2: about this infrared helmet where we are now launching the
30:14
Speaker 2: second generation one where we will have a clinical version
30:18
Speaker 2: on the one hand, so with even more laser diets,
30:21
Speaker 2: with lots of options for protocols to target different areas
30:25
Speaker 2: of the brain, but this will be something more where
30:27
Speaker 2: you have to be a good or well trained practitioner,
30:31
Speaker 2: but we will also have a home us version. Again,
30:34
Speaker 2: when we talk about neurodegenitive conditions like Parkinson's dementia, you
30:39
Speaker 2: really need an ongoing treatment for sure. It won't be
30:42
Speaker 2: done with like five or ten treatments in a clinical setting.
30:45
Speaker 2: You know, in such degenerative processes, you need ongoing treatment
30:49
Speaker 2: to supply the energy to the tissue basically on a
30:53
Speaker 2: daily level. And therefore we will also have a home
30:56
Speaker 2: use home use model for this helmet technology. And then
31:01
Speaker 2: when we talk about the systemic approach again, what we're
31:04
Speaker 2: doing intravenously with the laser in the clinic. For that,
31:07
Speaker 2: we created the so called yeah now called endo light.
31:11
Speaker 2: Also before it was called laser watch because it looks
31:14
Speaker 2: a little bit like a watch or it's worn on
31:16
Speaker 2: the wrist like a watch, but actually it's worn on
31:19
Speaker 2: the inside of the of the wist. You where you
31:23
Speaker 2: have your two main big arteries, you have a very
31:26
Speaker 2: strong blood flow, and you have very thin skin. And
31:30
Speaker 2: here again we have the advantage. We don't need to
31:33
Speaker 2: overcome sick skin here, so we have the ability if
31:37
Speaker 2: we have high powered, well focused laser diets to really
31:42
Speaker 2: penetrate through the skin directly into the blood stream. Of course,
31:46
Speaker 2: it's not one hundred percent the same like doing it intravenously. Again,
31:50
Speaker 2: especially the higher wavelengths like red and red penetrate pretty well,
31:55
Speaker 2: but the lower you get, like with blue or yellow,
31:57
Speaker 2: it becomes more difficult. But here on this araa where
32:00
Speaker 2: the skin is typically really thin, you can bring good
32:05
Speaker 2: amounts of energy also inside the tissue. And if you
32:07
Speaker 2: do something like that every day for an hour or so,
32:11
Speaker 2: you have an ongoing treatment for your Yeah, for yourself
32:15
Speaker 2: every day. You don't really feel it at all. You
32:18
Speaker 2: can work around, you can work with it. It does
32:21
Speaker 2: not limitate what you're doing, but you have a constant
32:25
Speaker 2: energy support for your body, a constant stimulation of your mitochondria,
32:29
Speaker 2: of your immune system, of your microcirculation. So it's amazing
32:34
Speaker 2: for prevention, but also for treating chronic condition. You can
32:37
Speaker 2: combine it. You know, if you take nutraceuticals like supplements
32:40
Speaker 2: what many people are doing these days, you take them
32:43
Speaker 2: before I have them in the blood flow, and then
32:45
Speaker 2: you do the systemic therapy with a light to open
32:48
Speaker 2: up the microcirculation. Everything will become a little bit more
32:51
Speaker 2: effective with that approach.
32:53
Speaker 1: Sobie, is there any way you can measure the results
32:57
Speaker 1: that you're getting by any kind of lab work or
33:02
Speaker 1: you know, in other words, so how do you know
33:04
Speaker 1: that that watch is actually making a difference.
33:07
Speaker 2: Yeah. Of course, we also did a lot of different
33:10
Speaker 2: tests in the beginning. So we did autonomous nervous system
33:13
Speaker 2: tests for example, where we see immediate effects on the
33:18
Speaker 2: paras and paticus. Then we also did a lot of
33:22
Speaker 2: measurements like on melatonin for example, on serotonin you have
33:26
Speaker 2: very positive effects. Then we get amazing feedback from patients,
33:31
Speaker 2: like we have diabetes patients, you know, who are on
33:36
Speaker 2: a regular medication for many, many years, and now they're
33:40
Speaker 2: using this technology and the lab values they basically come
33:43
Speaker 2: back into a normal range. So you can typically measure
33:46
Speaker 2: it pretty well in the lab values.
33:49
Speaker 1: As long as we're talking about that, I just realized
33:51
Speaker 1: my time on my watch. I got it put the news,
33:55
Speaker 1: so it's thirty minutes. So let's let's go through and
33:57
Speaker 1: talk talk a little bit about the three seven. Okay.
34:01
Speaker 1: So I'm using right now what you're using, which is
34:03
Speaker 1: the heart setting, and I'm now setting it for the
34:07
Speaker 1: highest with the rainbow it's the highest, so and then
34:12
Speaker 1: I set the time to the mapsimum, which is thirty minutes. Okay,
34:17
Speaker 1: So in those three sessions, what's happening to me and
34:23
Speaker 1: to you because we're both doing the same thing at
34:25
Speaker 1: the same time here, So what's happening to us that
34:28
Speaker 1: is going to change our are the dynamic of our
34:32
Speaker 1: bodies during those three sessions.
34:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have we have different programs in this product.
34:38
Speaker 2: So what we also already talked about is that the
34:41
Speaker 2: different colors or wavelengths of light have different tellulight effects.
34:47
Speaker 2: So when we talk about red infrared light, they mainly
34:50
Speaker 2: boost mitochondria. They are giving the energy. So therefore we
34:53
Speaker 2: have this like activation mode or where you see this
34:57
Speaker 2: like a like an athlete on the and the display
35:00
Speaker 2: of the watch. So this is basically the program where
35:03
Speaker 2: you're focusing on supplying more energy into the cells. Infrared
35:08
Speaker 2: and green light also which are the most effective ones
35:11
Speaker 2: for stimulating mitochondria. Then you also have this balancing mode
35:15
Speaker 2: where we are using the colors like blue and yellow,
35:18
Speaker 2: which are basically bringing down inflammation in the body and
35:22
Speaker 2: really helping the body to relax better. And so this
35:26
Speaker 2: is a nice program people can use in the evening
35:29
Speaker 2: before going to bed, for example. But then of course
35:32
Speaker 2: the most common program is what you already mentioned, the
35:36
Speaker 2: hard mode, where all the colors are on at the
35:40
Speaker 2: same time because they don't really work against each other,
35:42
Speaker 2: but they all have their unique cellular effects, and especially
35:47
Speaker 2: if you again, if you combine it with nutraceuticals or
35:50
Speaker 2: you want to treat the specific health condition, then we
35:55
Speaker 2: usually recommend to give you the full benefit of all
35:58
Speaker 2: of the different light wavelets and then we have the infrared, red, blue, green,
36:03
Speaker 2: and yellow light included.
36:05
Speaker 1: So like for example, this morning, I took I take
36:08
Speaker 1: euro within A, which is as you know, the Timeline
36:12
Speaker 1: is the company that produces that product, which effects improves
36:17
Speaker 1: the mitochondria, which, as we've already said, the mitochondria is
36:21
Speaker 1: the key to our health. Okay, all health begins in
36:24
Speaker 1: the cells, and so you want to create more atp
36:27
Speaker 1: So if I put the watch on after I've taken
36:31
Speaker 1: my morning supplements, which including the euro within A, there's
36:36
Speaker 1: going to be an adjunct improvement because of the light
36:41
Speaker 1: combined with the supplement. Is that that's what you're saying.
36:45
Speaker 1: So it is good. It is a good idea to
36:47
Speaker 1: do it first thing in the morning with the heart
36:49
Speaker 1: one and taking your supplements. That I always take the
36:54
Speaker 1: ones on an empty stomach as soon as I wake up,
36:57
Speaker 1: and then after I eat, I take the other one.
37:00
Speaker 1: And so then you could do the energy one the
37:03
Speaker 1: athlete because then you're going usually I'm going to work
37:06
Speaker 1: out anyway, you know, my whatever workout I try to
37:10
Speaker 1: do daily. So the athlete one would be good to
37:13
Speaker 1: wear while you're working out or before.
37:18
Speaker 2: You could do it during the workout as well, but
37:21
Speaker 2: usually most people would do it before, you know, also
37:24
Speaker 2: because yeah, you know, when you're really working out, maybe
37:26
Speaker 2: you're sweating. It's not yeah, probably not that convenient, but
37:31
Speaker 2: doing it right before it's a good idea. And yeah,
37:34
Speaker 2: that absolutely the main effect. You stimulate your mitochondria, you
37:37
Speaker 2: really give your body the ability. And you know, we
37:40
Speaker 2: have so we have really good data studies available from
37:43
Speaker 2: athletes that in the beginning manu with the intravenious laser,
37:46
Speaker 2: that endurance is increased significantly, that maximum power in weightlifting
37:52
Speaker 2: is increased significantly. Then with this watch type device, we
37:56
Speaker 2: did some tests on runners, on marathon runners, and all
37:59
Speaker 2: of them they could, yeah, increase their performance their best
38:04
Speaker 2: possible time in a marathon marathon significantly. So it's really
38:09
Speaker 2: good on the one hand to give you more energy
38:11
Speaker 2: to improve endurance and maximum power, but I also for
38:15
Speaker 2: after the workout, it's also pretty nice to give the
38:18
Speaker 2: body energy again to regenerate fast.
38:20
Speaker 1: Oh that's that's good. So okay, So we've talked about
38:23
Speaker 1: the helmet for clinical use and the helmet for home use.
38:27
Speaker 1: Now we've talked about the laser watch, which is the
38:29
Speaker 1: consumer product that you created and your division there and
38:34
Speaker 1: what else is there that you want to tell us about,
38:37
Speaker 1: and then I want to talk about the prices for
38:39
Speaker 1: each for the consumer in case any of our viewers
38:43
Speaker 1: want to order, like I would highly recommend our viewers
38:47
Speaker 1: look carefully at the watch because that's an affordable option
38:53
Speaker 1: and it's something if you're using the order ring and
38:56
Speaker 1: things like that, you know, the wearables. This is something
38:59
Speaker 1: that's really an add on that is I think vitally
39:03
Speaker 1: important to add. So I want I'm not trying to
39:06
Speaker 1: plug you, even though I very pro the watch because
39:10
Speaker 1: I use it all the time, but I do want to,
39:13
Speaker 1: you know, be sure that viewers understand what its uses
39:17
Speaker 1: are and also the pro the pros of using it.
39:21
Speaker 1: So okay, so go back to We've got the helmet
39:24
Speaker 1: home and clinical and the watch home. What else?
39:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we cover the most important ones. We
39:32
Speaker 2: also have some red infrared like pads which you can
39:35
Speaker 2: use on specific areas, on pain areas, or on joints
39:39
Speaker 2: and things like that. But yeah, here we can just
39:42
Speaker 2: be honest, that is not the most special technology. There
39:45
Speaker 2: are so many red infrared light therapy devices on the
39:49
Speaker 2: market right now, so I don't think we need to
39:51
Speaker 2: talk about them too much. So the most important ones
39:55
Speaker 2: we already covered them.
39:56
Speaker 1: Okay, good, Okay. So the only thing I would say,
40:00
Speaker 1: it would be really great if we could have a
40:03
Speaker 1: laser product for the gut. That's something I put on
40:09
Speaker 1: your honey do list or your wish list for future
40:13
Speaker 1: development because I think that would be combining with the
40:17
Speaker 1: new helmet that's goat. When when will that new helmet
40:19
Speaker 1: be introduced?
40:21
Speaker 2: Yeah? The good news is actually last week I just
40:23
Speaker 2: received the news that we just made it through the
40:27
Speaker 2: CE test in Europe, so all the safety studies, everything
40:30
Speaker 2: is done now, so we now start manufacturing the first batch.
40:34
Speaker 2: So yeah, now it will just take a couple of
40:36
Speaker 2: weeks until the first batch will be available. And of
40:39
Speaker 2: course we already have plenty of pre orders, especially for
40:42
Speaker 2: the clinical version, but then for the home version. Yeah,
40:47
Speaker 2: I think if people are interested in that, that can
40:49
Speaker 2: be available. Yeah in December January, I guess.
40:53
Speaker 1: Okay, So I have a brother in law that I
40:55
Speaker 1: would love to introduce to that helmet. He's listen Miami,
41:00
Speaker 1: and you you are in Florida quite a bit, you
41:02
Speaker 1: told me, right.
41:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, usually we very often go to California. You know,
41:07
Speaker 2: we have all based in San Diego, but also to
41:10
Speaker 2: Florida from time. Yeah.
41:11
Speaker 1: I think I remembered you telling me because I remember
41:13
Speaker 1: you told me you met Todd or Verkaitis, Yes, and
41:17
Speaker 1: you understand you know his clinic and carlsbad right because
41:20
Speaker 1: he's a friend of mine. So all right, So what
41:23
Speaker 1: let's carp about the pricing. So the clinical I don't
41:26
Speaker 1: think we need to address right now because that although
41:30
Speaker 1: we do have a lot of viewers who are medical doctors.
41:32
Speaker 1: So actually, let's go through it. Let's do let's do
41:35
Speaker 1: it all so clinical use. What would be the new
41:39
Speaker 1: helmet cost?
41:42
Speaker 2: I can't tell you the exact final price yet because
41:44
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, just manufacturing starting also, but will be
41:49
Speaker 2: roughly in a range of the clinical device fifteen fifteen thousand.
41:55
Speaker 1: Okay, and then what about the consumer?
41:59
Speaker 2: The consumer will be yeah, somewhere between four and five.
42:03
Speaker 1: And there is a current product consumer product for you
42:07
Speaker 1: told me about that's less expensive. But would you you know,
42:12
Speaker 1: I mean candidly, would you just say to people, if
42:15
Speaker 1: you haven't bought the other the older model, wait for
42:18
Speaker 1: the newer one.
42:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would recommend that for sure, because I'm one
42:23
Speaker 2: hundred percent convinced that this would be a big game
42:26
Speaker 2: changer compared to the LED version we had before.
42:29
Speaker 1: Okay, And then I'm going to introduce you to Dale Brettison.
42:32
Speaker 1: Doctor Brettison wrote the book on ending Alzheimer's and he's
42:37
Speaker 1: been one of my guests, and he lives here very
42:39
Speaker 1: close by where I live in California and Marin County.
42:43
Speaker 1: But I'm sure you will want to know about this
42:48
Speaker 1: for his clinical work. So okay, So then the watch,
42:52
Speaker 1: how much would that cost the consumer?
42:56
Speaker 2: The watch is fifteen hundred euros eight in eighteen hundred dollars?
43:02
Speaker 1: Okay? And is that also clinically used? Do clinics by
43:09
Speaker 1: the watch?
43:10
Speaker 2: Also? We have also clinics using the watch sometimes they
43:13
Speaker 2: rented to patients also, but also you know, if they
43:16
Speaker 2: don't want to use the IV technology, but they do
43:18
Speaker 2: a lot of infusion therapies, they maybe give the watch
43:20
Speaker 2: to the people during the infusion. So it can be
43:23
Speaker 2: used in a clinical setting as well.
43:25
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, and so clinics that are using your
43:29
Speaker 1: currently using your products, give us some examples just so
43:33
Speaker 1: people know if they're it's in their neighborhood.
43:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, what we already talked about hope for cancer Tony Felmenez.
43:40
Speaker 2: For example, in California, we have doctor KERNELI also quite
43:45
Speaker 2: famous in the field of cancer therapy. We have doctor
43:49
Speaker 2: Michael Carfeld in Idaho, he's well known. We have doctor
43:54
Speaker 2: Kaplan and Buffalo also great doctor are We Herskovitz in
43:59
Speaker 2: San Francis School Regenitive Medicine. He has four of our
44:04
Speaker 2: clinical units and he also pre ordered a couple of
44:06
Speaker 2: helmets already.
44:07
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, he lives. He's very close by me.
44:12
Speaker 1: I'm in you know, about twenty minutes from the city,
44:15
Speaker 1: and I've I've actually approached them. I wanted to have
44:18
Speaker 1: him on my part. I haven't done it yet, but
44:20
Speaker 1: I haven't confirmed him. But yeah, he's he's quite you know,
44:26
Speaker 1: I would say he's entrepreneurial in a lot of what
44:28
Speaker 1: he's doing in that clinic.
44:30
Speaker 2: When you say yeah, absolutely, yeah, And then who.
44:36
Speaker 1: Was the one, the other one in California that you
44:38
Speaker 1: mentioned after.
44:39
Speaker 2: Tony, doctor Cornelie in Irvine, oh.
44:42
Speaker 1: In in Orange County. Okay, okay, I might want you
44:47
Speaker 1: to send me a list that I can put in
44:50
Speaker 1: the show notes. Would you be willing to do that
44:52
Speaker 1: after we're finished? Just send me by email list of
44:56
Speaker 1: the clinics that I can have Roxanne, because I think
44:59
Speaker 1: people who are watching today, if it's something that's convenient
45:03
Speaker 1: for them, they might want to unless they can come
45:05
Speaker 1: to Germany, which would be even better.
45:07
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, that's right. But we have good partner
45:10
Speaker 2: clinics he and the US who are doing similar protocols.
45:13
Speaker 1: So, and then in Florida, what's what doctor there would
45:17
Speaker 1: you recommend?
45:18
Speaker 2: In Florida we have doctor Albert Ray. He's a great
45:21
Speaker 2: doctor working in regenitive metasine. Who else do we have
45:27
Speaker 2: in Florida? I also need to check the list, okay?
45:30
Speaker 1: And where is that first doctor located in Florida?
45:33
Speaker 2: He's in Miami.
45:35
Speaker 1: In Miami, okay, because that's where my my brother in
45:37
Speaker 1: law lives. So that's good. I want to have him
45:40
Speaker 1: have a look at that. Okay. So let's move on
45:43
Speaker 1: to where are you going?
45:46
Speaker 2: So?
45:47
Speaker 1: Does where medical have an exit strategy? I know it's
45:50
Speaker 1: a family owned business. But when you talk about the future,
45:54
Speaker 1: what what what is? What? What you can discuss publicly,
45:58
Speaker 1: what would you say your future?
46:02
Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, we don't have any specific future
46:06
Speaker 2: plans yet. You know, the regular work right now, our
46:09
Speaker 2: projects for the last couple of years are keeping us
46:11
Speaker 2: so busy. So we are just yeah, we stay involved
46:15
Speaker 2: in our projects with full with full heart. We are
46:18
Speaker 2: very enthusiastic, very motivated to help our patients. You know,
46:23
Speaker 2: my father, he's seventy five now, but he's still working
46:26
Speaker 2: in the clinic every day on the cancer patients to
46:28
Speaker 2: give them the best possible support. So for us, this
46:31
Speaker 2: is really something like a yeah, like a hard project.
46:34
Speaker 2: It's not not only about business. But yeah, we are
46:39
Speaker 2: of course, but still we're also we're always very open
46:43
Speaker 2: to look for partners, especially here in the US. We
46:46
Speaker 2: know it's probably right now our most growing market, but
46:50
Speaker 2: we do still do most of the work on our
46:53
Speaker 2: own shoulders, and yeah, would be we're always very open
46:58
Speaker 2: to finding good new partners in different areas for research,
47:01
Speaker 2: but also when it comes to business development and.
47:04
Speaker 1: So what other health issues. I know we've talked about
47:08
Speaker 1: the brain, we've talked about the orthopedic. We've talked about cancer,
47:14
Speaker 1: and I assume it's all forms of cancer. What about
47:18
Speaker 1: the other health issues like diabetes, like well, just you know,
47:23
Speaker 1: you name them weight laws. You know, just go through
47:27
Speaker 1: some of the other issues and say tell us how
47:30
Speaker 1: your products could address those issues for our viewers.
47:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we started with the systemic intravenious laser, you know,
47:39
Speaker 2: the main things. Also when you look at the old
47:42
Speaker 2: data from Russia, the most important things have been diabetes,
47:46
Speaker 2: liver the chronic liver disease, kidney failure, and also cardiovascular disease.
47:51
Speaker 2: And you know, most people worldwide are still dying from
47:54
Speaker 2: cardiovascular issues. And so it can be very good for
47:58
Speaker 2: prevention here again because you're proving microcirculation and helping also
48:03
Speaker 2: to Yeah, like we generate organ functions and things like
48:07
Speaker 2: that by increased stem cells numbers. Increased stem cell numbers. Yeah,
48:12
Speaker 2: so those things can be treated very well with an
48:16
Speaker 2: intravenious laser. Chronic infection is something I already mentioned. We
48:21
Speaker 2: get very good effect like in lime disease and things
48:23
Speaker 2: like that.
48:25
Speaker 1: And like during COVID did you have many patients who
48:30
Speaker 1: were had the COVID.
48:31
Speaker 2: Virus And yeah, for COVID. COVID can be treated very
48:34
Speaker 2: well with his photodynamic approach. It's a very very effective
48:37
Speaker 2: protocol where you use just riboflavin so B two as
48:41
Speaker 2: a photo sanitizer, and when you combine this with blue
48:44
Speaker 2: and ultra vallet light, it's basically, yeah, breaking the DNA
48:49
Speaker 2: of the viruses and you can basically deactivate the viruses.
48:53
Speaker 2: So we did some very good studies and publish that
48:56
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's very effective in acute state of COVID discussion, And.
49:01
Speaker 1: What about long COVID because so many people are still
49:04
Speaker 1: dealing with the effects.
49:06
Speaker 2: Absolutely, of course long COVID is that's a more difficult thing.
49:09
Speaker 2: You know, people are suffering with that for many years.
49:12
Speaker 2: But at least you can do a lot of good
49:15
Speaker 2: things on the symptoms. You know, all the many people
49:17
Speaker 2: are suffering from no energy, so this is something where
49:20
Speaker 2: the laser is coming in and it's really bringing back
49:23
Speaker 2: the energy into the cells. Then many are suffering from
49:26
Speaker 2: the brain fog. Here the helmet can really help pretty well.
49:29
Speaker 2: So yeah, we created very good protocols also for long
49:33
Speaker 2: COVID and also post vaccine.
49:35
Speaker 1: And I was just going to say the vaccine has
49:37
Speaker 1: caused it's coming out more and more now how much
49:41
Speaker 1: damage the vaccines have done, particularly myocarditis. And yesterday I
49:46
Speaker 1: saw somebody sent me a list of sisors print out
49:52
Speaker 1: their own internal printout of how the vaccine has affected
49:57
Speaker 1: or negatively affected all these different conditions. So the people
50:01
Speaker 1: are you finding that you have a lot of people
50:03
Speaker 1: coming to you with the vaccine repercussions.
50:08
Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, in our clinics, the main focus
50:10
Speaker 2: is cancer therapy. What we realized or what we also
50:13
Speaker 2: heard from other clinics, is that especially cancer patients who yeah,
50:18
Speaker 2: got the vaccination had some kind of negative effects again
50:24
Speaker 2: like recurrence of cancer. But this is more like what
50:27
Speaker 2: you heard from people. I don't have any statistical data,
50:30
Speaker 2: but yeah, you know, it's like a feeling what you
50:32
Speaker 2: already also mentioned that other things, Yeah, bad things were happening.
50:37
Speaker 1: Now, if I can find that email, I'll forward it
50:40
Speaker 1: to you because it was so frightening that particularly that
50:45
Speaker 1: it's coming right from Fiser. So you know, it's one
50:49
Speaker 1: thing if we're coming from some you know, independent consumer watchdog,
50:53
Speaker 1: but this is right from the company itself, so it
50:57
Speaker 1: might be very interesting for you to see that. So
51:00
Speaker 1: what about cosmetic uses. Do you think at some point
51:03
Speaker 1: whether medical may want to do you know the combination
51:09
Speaker 1: of light therapy that I mean, obviously there's a whole
51:12
Speaker 1: bunch of red light therapy devices that are just are
51:16
Speaker 1: using LED light, not using your How about the next generation.
51:21
Speaker 1: Do you think that cosmetics could be in your in
51:24
Speaker 1: your thought process?
51:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we have also been working in this field
51:30
Speaker 2: in the past as well. You know, dermatology in general
51:34
Speaker 2: is a field where lasers are applied very successfully. Here again,
51:37
Speaker 2: you want to treat the skin, so you don't need
51:40
Speaker 2: very deep penetration, so it's very so light therapy in
51:44
Speaker 2: general is very effective for dermatology and for skin issues
51:48
Speaker 2: like acne and things like that, but also for cosmetic treatments.
51:51
Speaker 2: You can combine it very well for people who are
51:53
Speaker 2: doing injection therapy is facial injections of PRP or other things. Also,
51:58
Speaker 2: if you use creams like ronin creams and things like that,
52:02
Speaker 2: you can you can combine it pretty well with lasers
52:06
Speaker 2: or LED devices, So no question about that. But to
52:10
Speaker 2: be honest here again, this is something where where you
52:13
Speaker 2: can also use more simple solutions. You don't need the
52:17
Speaker 2: very advanced high end laser technologies. Because you don't really
52:20
Speaker 2: need to penetrate that deep here. And yeah, therefore it's
52:24
Speaker 2: not the main field of interest for our products.
52:27
Speaker 1: Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, it's not it's
52:30
Speaker 1: not really medically aligned with what your products do, which
52:36
Speaker 1: is far more advanced. So yeah, but you would you
52:40
Speaker 1: have developed consumer products like the watch. So I was
52:45
Speaker 1: just you know, I'm just projecting. Maybe it's a wish
52:48
Speaker 1: fulfillment I'd love to see, you know, rather than an
52:53
Speaker 1: LED red light, a real laser red light, or or
52:57
Speaker 1: or all the lights that could affect the skin. Because
53:03
Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of a lot of podcasts where
53:09
Speaker 1: people have been on GLP ones and they lose a
53:12
Speaker 1: lot of weight and then all of a sudden they
53:15
Speaker 1: have all the skin laxity because of the weight loss. Though,
53:19
Speaker 1: I think there's a huge market there because there's so
53:21
Speaker 1: many people that are using the semi blue tides and
53:25
Speaker 1: losing a whole lot of weight, but they're paying the
53:29
Speaker 1: price in their skin. So is there any have you
53:32
Speaker 1: thought about, you know, is there any opportunity there? And
53:37
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to have you tell me about something
53:39
Speaker 1: that's it's confidential, but you did just say that it
53:43
Speaker 1: wasn't on your radar at the moment.
53:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I think it's pretty beneficial what you also
53:49
Speaker 2: already mentioned. I would always recommend like a synthistic approach
53:53
Speaker 2: of an injection therapy combined with the light therapy. I
53:56
Speaker 2: would say that would be the most promising roads here.
54:00
Speaker 2: But you know also right now that this is also
54:03
Speaker 2: a field of course where many companies coming to the
54:05
Speaker 2: market right now, so with those facial masks with LEDs inside,
54:10
Speaker 2: So I think it's also a lot of competition in
54:12
Speaker 2: this area right now.
54:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, but this should this should be for the whole
54:15
Speaker 1: body rather. I mean the face is really important, of course,
54:19
Speaker 1: but you know when people lose weight a lot of weight,
54:23
Speaker 1: it's the whole body that gets effective. True, Well, you
54:27
Speaker 1: were so generous to offer our viewers today an incentive
54:33
Speaker 1: for uh at least going to look at your products.
54:38
Speaker 1: So could you go over that for us before we
54:40
Speaker 1: have to end today.
54:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, For everybody who is interested in our products, our technology,
54:48
Speaker 2: our research, please feel free to visit our website whereby
54:52
Speaker 2: medical dot com you will find a lot of information
54:55
Speaker 2: there also prices when it comes to the product, and yeah,
55:00
Speaker 2: we are happy also to give you like a little incentive,
55:03
Speaker 2: like a discount of ten percent. I think we agree
55:06
Speaker 2: to do the discount code ageless ten for that. And yeah,
55:12
Speaker 2: just reach out to us and we are also happy
55:14
Speaker 2: to support to answer your questions or send more information
55:18
Speaker 2: scientific information. We have a lot of collections of studies
55:22
Speaker 2: on scientific material, presentations, video presentations from other doctors, so
55:27
Speaker 2: not only from us, So it's very objective. Also, I
55:30
Speaker 2: think the evidence speaks for itself that you can do
55:33
Speaker 2: a lot of good things with well focused light therapies
55:36
Speaker 2: these days.
55:38
Speaker 1: That's what I wish you took the question right.
55:42
Speaker 2: It was.
55:42
Speaker 1: My next question is where can people go to look
55:44
Speaker 1: at the science? And you just answered that question, so
55:48
Speaker 1: it's right on your website. There are the scientific studies.
55:53
Speaker 2: Yeah you will find you will find some of them.
55:55
Speaker 2: But if you want to dive really deep into that,
55:58
Speaker 2: just hit the contact but not send the email and
56:01
Speaker 2: ask for specific studies. Usually there are studies for everything
56:06
Speaker 2: right now available. The field of PBM for the biot
56:09
Speaker 2: modulation or a low level laser therapy is exploding also
56:11
Speaker 2: when it comes to research. Every year, thousands of new
56:14
Speaker 2: publications in every field of medicine showing the evidence.
56:19
Speaker 1: And are you going to be at the American Academy
56:21
Speaker 1: of Anti Aging in December in Las Vegas.
56:25
Speaker 2: We will be at a four m in December again
56:28
Speaker 2: with a booth.
56:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, good, So just that everybody knows that's December
56:33
Speaker 1: fourteenth to the sixteenth, and that the Venetian in Las Vegas.
56:38
Speaker 1: I think it's ten thousand people will be there. It's
56:42
Speaker 1: huge and there's over a thousand exhibitors. But what do
56:46
Speaker 1: you know your booth numbers or people can drop that down.
56:49
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, this's not I have to help
56:51
Speaker 2: to check it. But for everybody who wants to pass
56:54
Speaker 2: by and maybe tried, we will have a couple of
56:56
Speaker 2: helmet watchers. Later everything is there and you can try
57:00
Speaker 2: and experience it.
57:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, will the new product be available.
57:04
Speaker 2: The new helmet, Well, at least we will have a
57:07
Speaker 2: couple of devices there for sure that people can see
57:09
Speaker 2: and try it. And I guess we can also already
57:12
Speaker 2: take all of them. Yeah.
57:13
Speaker 1: And do you work with brain tap with doctor Patrick
57:16
Speaker 1: Porter at all?
57:18
Speaker 2: I don't sound familiar to me him.
57:20
Speaker 1: Okay, he's going to be there, He's always there. But
57:23
Speaker 1: take a look at at brain tap. They do a
57:26
Speaker 1: lot of work not with well, they use sound light
57:32
Speaker 1: with their helmet and they do meditations and basically it's
57:36
Speaker 1: a much softer technology than yours, but there could be
57:40
Speaker 1: some synergy there as well. All Right, well, Robert, I
57:44
Speaker 1: have so enjoyed having you on my podcast today. You're
57:47
Speaker 1: really you're really knowledgeable and very articulate about the explaining
57:53
Speaker 1: to the lay person as well as you know technically.
57:57
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for allowing us to delve
58:01
Speaker 1: in and learn more about what web It's doing and
58:05
Speaker 1: the real uniqueness of your company's technology. That's what I
58:11
Speaker 1: think should capture everyone's attention today, that this is the
58:15
Speaker 1: one company that's not doesn't rely on LED, which is
58:20
Speaker 1: much more I mean, it's all pervasive, but it's much
58:24
Speaker 1: gentler or much less efficacious than to be using the
58:30
Speaker 1: much more advanced laser technology. Is that a good way
58:34
Speaker 1: to sum it.
58:34
Speaker 2: Up if you were going to absolutely? Yeah.
58:38
Speaker 1: Well, the one thing I always like to ask my
58:40
Speaker 1: guests before we say goodbye, is it one kernel of
58:44
Speaker 1: wisdom that you would like to impart to kind of
58:47
Speaker 1: summarize what we've talked about today or to leave people
58:50
Speaker 1: with as they go forward from the podcast today?
58:56
Speaker 2: Well, for me you right now, I think, especially when
58:58
Speaker 2: we talk about all technology, jeez, I would really like to, yeah,
59:04
Speaker 2: to ask people to really take care of themselves and
59:07
Speaker 2: think about prevention. You know, there's the shift in medicine
59:09
Speaker 2: right now not only treat symptoms and really go back
59:13
Speaker 2: to the root cause of disease and do preventive approaches.
59:18
Speaker 2: Try to live healthy, give your body and the support
59:21
Speaker 2: he needs with good nutrients, but also with good natural therapies,
59:25
Speaker 2: and this way you can hopefully stay away from bad
59:30
Speaker 2: disease well health as well.
59:33
Speaker 1: And you know, it's interesting when you think that Hippocratey
59:36
Speaker 1: said so many well a thousand years ago or whatever.
59:40
Speaker 1: You know that all your health begins in your cells
59:45
Speaker 1: and your microbion and yourselves. And here we are, all
59:49
Speaker 1: these years later, just learning the lessons. You know, we're
59:53
Speaker 1: we've been a bit slow about understanding the root cause
59:57
Speaker 1: of disease and how to you know, basically ensure that
1:00:01
Speaker 1: we have a healthy lifespan and health span. So okay, Robert, well,
1:00:06
Speaker 1: thank you, have a beautiful weekend, and we'll look forward
1:00:10
Speaker 1: to having your list of the practitioners and clinics so
1:00:15
Speaker 1: that we can put that on our on our show
1:00:17
Speaker 1: notes okay perfect.
1:00:19
Speaker 2: Thank you very much again for the invitation and m