Latest / Becker’s Healthcare Podcast / Expanding Rehabilitation’s Role in Patient Recovery and Health System Capacity with Scott Edelman
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- 0:00Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Becker's Healthcare Clinical
- 0:03Leadership podcast. I'm Mackenzie Bean, associate vice president
- 0:06and managing editor of Becker's Hospital Review.
- 0:10Today, I am so thrilled to join the
- 0:12podcast with Scott Edelman, who is the executive
- 0:15director of Burke Rehabilitation.
- 0:17Scott, thanks for joining us on the podcast
- 0:19today. How are you doing?
- 0:21Mackenzie, thank you. I am thrilled to be
- 0:23here and so excited.
- 0:25I look at Becker's every day. I listen
- 0:27to all the podcasts, so this is an
- 0:29absolute thrill for me. Oh my gosh. That's
- 0:31so kind of you to say and, a
- 0:33privilege for to have you on the podcast
- 0:36as well. So let's dive in. I'm hoping
- 0:38you can just introduce yourself for our listeners
- 0:40and tell them a little bit more about
- 0:42your career in Burke Rehabilitation.
- 0:44Sure. Happy to do that. So thank you
- 0:47for again for having me. I'm Scott Edelman.
- 0:49I'm proud to serve as the executive director
- 0:51of Burke Rehabilitation.
- 0:53And a little bit about Burke, we're a
- 0:54nationally recognized
- 0:56non for profit health care provider
- 0:58specializing in rehab medicine,
- 1:00clinical research, and graduate medical education.
- 1:04We're also a proud member of the Montefiore
- 1:05Health System, and we just hit our ten
- 1:07year mark.
- 1:09Burke's work, our work, is centered around a
- 1:11simple but powerful message,
- 1:14helping all people recover from life altering illness
- 1:18and regain their independence that defines
- 1:21our patients' quality of life.
- 1:24Every day we see
- 1:25our patients
- 1:27and we care for the individuals that recover
- 1:29from stroke, spinal cord injury, traumatic brain injury,
- 1:33neurological
- 1:34disease, complex orthopedic,
- 1:37cardiac, and pulmonary disease. In fact, we treat
- 1:40the most stroke survivors in New York state.
- 1:43Now, Mackenzie, these are people who have experienced
- 1:45a major medical event,
- 1:47often the most difficult moment of their lives,
- 1:50and they arrive at Burke with one goal,
- 1:53to rebuild their lives.
- 1:55Our mission at Burke is to provide the
- 1:57highest quality medical care and get folks back
- 2:00to the life they love.
- 2:01We often say at Burke, we provide something
- 2:04more powerful than treatment.
- 2:06We provide hope to every patient that walks
- 2:08through our doors.
- 2:09Now currently, Burke is a 150 bed rehabilitation
- 2:13hospital centered in White Plains, New York on
- 2:16a beautiful 61 acre campus.
- 2:19The outside is as healing as the inside,
- 2:22but our reach extends far more than our
- 2:24main campus.
- 2:25We also have 15 outpatient centers
- 2:28across the region, and we we provide specialized
- 2:31PT, OT, and speech
- 2:33throughout the Hudson Valley, New York City, and
- 2:36all of our sites are accessible
- 2:38by the tri state areas. So New York,
- 2:40New Jersey, and Connecticut.
- 2:43This year alone, we expect to deliver 200,000
- 2:46220,000
- 2:48outpatient visits. But wait, there's more.
- 2:51We also operate
- 2:52an advanced
- 2:54outpatient physicians practice right on our campus,
- 2:57and we provide specialized care for neurological,
- 3:00musculoskeletal,
- 3:01orthopedic, and chronic functioning conditions.
- 3:04That's the continuum of care.
- 3:07Now, Mackenzie, I'd like to tell you my
- 3:08personal journey, because my story is something I'm
- 3:11very proud of. I often describe it as
- 3:14the mailroom to boardroom story, because it actually
- 3:18is.
- 3:18I began my career at Burke over thirty
- 3:21years ago, yes, in the mailroom.
- 3:23And I had the opportunity to grow throughout
- 3:25multiple roles
- 3:27throughout the organization.
- 3:28Eventually, I became senior vice president and chief
- 3:31financial officer.
- 3:33And today, I have the privilege of serving
- 3:35as the executive director of Burke Rehabilitation.
- 3:39The journey has given me something
- 3:41more valuable than just experience. It's given me
- 3:44as a leader perspective,
- 3:46Perspective and understanding
- 3:48how the hospital operates from the ground up.
- 3:51I understand the pressures faced
- 3:53by my frontline staff,
- 3:55the operational realities of running a hospital,
- 3:58and the responsibilities
- 3:59leaders have to create an environment
- 4:02where everyone can succeed.
- 4:04But most importantly,
- 4:06my journey has taught me that hospitals are
- 4:08not just buildings,
- 4:10profit and loss statements, or balance sheets. Hospitals
- 4:13are people.
- 4:14They have our physicians, our nurses, our therapists,
- 4:17our administrators,
- 4:18the ones that show up every day committed
- 4:21to helping our patients recover.
- 4:23I know that was a long answer.
- 4:25No. It was a a fantastic
- 4:28answer. I mean, I you paint such a
- 4:30helpful picture for the audience of just the
- 4:32scope
- 4:33of Burke Rehabilitation and the important role that
- 4:36you play in the community, and I love
- 4:37what you said about giving that message of
- 4:39hope and helping people rebuild their lives. It's
- 4:41so meaningful.
- 4:43And I'm, I'm just so, interested in your
- 4:45leadership journey as well. Like you said, started
- 4:47in the mail room over thirty years ago.
- 4:50Let's talk more about that. You mentioned it's
- 4:52given you great perspective into the organization.
- 4:55Can you talk more about how that perspective
- 4:57has helped shape the way you lead today,
- 5:00and what advantages does that type of institutional
- 5:03institutional knowledge that you hold really have in
- 5:06the health care landscape today? Yeah. So it's
- 5:08really helped me understand culture in the workforce.
- 5:11Right? So culture
- 5:13is one of the most important drivers of
- 5:15performance.
- 5:16At Burke, we refer to all of our
- 5:17employees as the Burke family.
- 5:19I sent out a monthly newsletter. It's called
- 5:21a note from Scott. First line says, dear
- 5:24Burke family. It's not a slogan.
- 5:27It reflects the deep level of commitment and
- 5:29collaboration that exists across our entire organization.
- 5:33And the culture is reflected in our workforce.
- 5:36Over the past five years, our workforce has
- 5:38grown by 18%
- 5:41even in the face of extremely competitive
- 5:44health care labor markets.
- 5:45We've been recognized by one of the best
- 5:47places to work by both nine one four
- 5:49Inc and City and State.
- 5:52And several years ago, we asked our employees
- 5:55to help us define the values that guide
- 5:57our organization.
- 5:58What are the driving principles?
- 6:00And the values they chose were compassion,
- 6:03accountability,
- 6:04respect,
- 6:05exceeding expectations,
- 6:07service excellence.
- 6:09Together, they form the acronym CARES.
- 6:11So it's our BERC Cares model.
- 6:14They're not just
- 6:15letters written on a wall. They're the behavioral
- 6:18expectations
- 6:19that guide us in how we care for
- 6:21patients and how we treat each other.
- 6:23And as a leader, I believe culture is
- 6:25built through presence and engagement.
- 6:28That's why I make it a priority
- 6:30to spend time on the hospital units,
- 6:32spend time at the outpatient centers,
- 6:35talking to staff, talking to patients,
- 6:38listen to ideas,
- 6:40and learning directly from the people who are
- 6:42closest to the work. I start and end
- 6:44my day on the hospital units, and I
- 6:46look forward to it. And when the team
- 6:49doesn't see me, they ask, where is Scott?
- 6:51Is he okay?
- 6:53So that just gives you a little peek
- 6:55into my leadership style. And I also believe
- 6:57the most important thing is
- 7:00just because a leader has a title in
- 7:01an office does not make them a leader.
- 7:04Mhmm. It is through mutual respect, professional equity,
- 7:08getting back to people, closing the loop,
- 7:11and and it's really important to me, our
- 7:13people.
- 7:15Mhmm.
- 7:16It seems like you're really a a model
- 7:17of that on the ground leadership. I'm also
- 7:19I'm also an adjunct professor. I teach graduate
- 7:22school, so I love to give back.
- 7:24So I teach health care leadership,
- 7:26and I teach health care finance on the
- 7:28graduate level. And I'm so happy when my
- 7:31students land great jobs and they contact me
- 7:33later. I just say go get them.
- 7:36That's amazing. I'm sure it's it's so rewarding
- 7:39to see all of that. And to your
- 7:4118% workforce growth in such a competitive market
- 7:44too, that's so impressive.
- 7:46It really I think that culture piece is
- 7:48so so crucial for retention, isn't it? And,
- 7:50Mackenzie, we also have a very low turnover
- 7:52rate too. Mhmm. Do you? The job. Our
- 7:55turnover rate was double digits. Now it's single
- 7:57digits. We made some changes to the compensation
- 7:59philosophy,
- 8:01the medical benefits, and the retirement plan.
- 8:04And,
- 8:05people wanna work here and stay here.
- 8:07Clearly, it's really right that dual focus of
- 8:10being competitive with your benefits, you pay your
- 8:11salary, but then also the culture piece and
- 8:13how are those intertwined, it seems like. Culture
- 8:16is everything. If you don't have a good
- 8:17culture,
- 8:18welcome me to the front lobby. We'll lock
- 8:20up together.
- 8:22There there you go, folks. You heard it
- 8:24here first.
- 8:26Let's switch gears a little bit and look
- 8:28at more,
- 8:29long term strategy. Right? You're leading BERC rehabilitation,
- 8:33and we're at a time in health care
- 8:35where we're seeing significant capacity strain going on
- 8:38in health systems.
- 8:40Curious, how do you sit see inpatient rehabilitation
- 8:43facilities
- 8:44playing a more strategic role in helping to
- 8:47alleviate some of that burden or support patient
- 8:49flow.
- 8:50And from your perspective at Berg, what operational
- 8:52or partnership strategies have really been most effective
- 8:55there in in positioning your role in the
- 8:57broader care continuum?
- 8:59Well, that's a great question. I get that
- 9:01question a lot. So right now, health care
- 9:03is facing enormous pressure. Hospitals across the country
- 9:07are struggling with capacity,
- 9:09crowded emergency departments,
- 9:11workforce shortages, and increasing
- 9:13clinical complexity.
- 9:15One of the most important but often underappreciated
- 9:18solutions
- 9:19is how we respond
- 9:22as an inpatient rehabilitation
- 9:24solution
- 9:25to this crisis.
- 9:27A lot of folks don't understand the difference
- 9:29between
- 9:30an inpatient rehab facility
- 9:31called an IRF and a skilled nursing facility,
- 9:34an SM, and that's NF.
- 9:36But the differences are very significant.
- 9:39Inpatient rehabs provide physician led twenty four hours
- 9:43a day, seven day a week coverage.
- 9:46Patients participate
- 9:47in three hours plus
- 9:48of therapy every day.
- 9:51The level of intensity
- 9:53allows us to care for patients recovering
- 9:55from severe neurological
- 9:57injuries, amputation, stroke,
- 9:59etcetera.
- 10:01When patients receive the right level of rehab
- 10:04at the right times,
- 10:05three things happen.
- 10:07Patients recover faster,
- 10:09acute care hospitals free up beds, and the
- 10:12entire health care system
- 10:14functions more efficiently.
- 10:17So rehab hospitals are simply not the end
- 10:19of the health care journey. It's a bridge
- 10:21that allows patients to return home and regain
- 10:24their independence.
- 10:25So some of the strategies that we have
- 10:27taken Mackenzie has gone out to the acute
- 10:30care hospitals and showing them what the value
- 10:32proposition is. Let us help you with your
- 10:34length to stay, which create capacity,
- 10:37putting in care transition liaisons
- 10:40in the acute hospitals.
- 10:41So when an acute rehab patient is identified,
- 10:44we can move them quickly through the system
- 10:47and get them approved clinically and get them
- 10:49approved on the insurance side. And I have
- 10:51to say, more recently, insurance companies have become
- 10:55a better partner in that sense.
- 10:57So I believe that inpatient rehab facilities
- 11:01are the spigot, the safety valves to create
- 11:04more access in acute hospitals.
- 11:08Really a bridge between the two, like you
- 11:10said. And those care transition liaisons, that's an
- 11:12interesting role. Are those BERC employees who are
- 11:15going into the health acute care health system?
- 11:17They are. So what we do is, you
- 11:19know, we talk to the leadership at the
- 11:21acute hospitals. Let us help you, with your
- 11:24length of stay, Put some of our people
- 11:26in there that when they're referred
- 11:28to IRF, they can explain what the journey
- 11:30is,
- 11:31right, and see who really qualifies because not
- 11:34everyone qualifies.
- 11:35You might be too sick or not sick
- 11:37enough. That's why the destination
- 11:39and the right level of rehab care at
- 11:41the right time is so important.
- 11:44Mhmm. And that coordination and communication
- 11:46between the rehabilitation hospitals and the acute care
- 11:49hospitals,
- 11:50It's everything.
- 11:51Yeah. And and patient safety measures and quality
- 11:54are also
- 11:55something that is another feather in your cap.
- 11:57When you could report back to the acute
- 11:59care hospitals that you have one of the
- 12:01lowest readmission rates in the country post thirty
- 12:04day discharge,
- 12:05people are gonna stand up and look.
- 12:07Wow. What do you attribute that success to
- 12:09with your readmissions? I I think we take
- 12:12good care of our patients,
- 12:14start middle and prepare them to function at
- 12:16home for it's in a continuing journey. Go
- 12:19to our outpatient,
- 12:20see our physicians.
- 12:22We provide wraparound services. We check-in,
- 12:25three days after discharge, then we check-in every
- 12:28thirty days. So I think it's once you're
- 12:30here and you come through our organization,
- 12:33the relationship doesn't end at discharge.
- 12:36In fact, it just begins.
- 12:37Mhmm. You stay very, very sticky with your
- 12:40patients Yep. Across the continuum.
- 12:42That's a great,
- 12:44strategy.
- 12:45Let me turn now a bit more to,
- 12:49innovations and investments. As I understand it,
- 12:52Burke has invested in on-site dialysis. Correct? CT
- 12:56scanner suite, smart bed technology,
- 12:59all very exciting. And I know you have
- 13:01a larger focus as well expanding outpatient access.
- 13:05As executive director, how are you evaluating these
- 13:07decisions in terms of which innovations are worth
- 13:10the capital investment,
- 13:12considering, you know, how tight margins are for
- 13:14many organizations right now? What framework do you
- 13:17really use to guide
- 13:18those decisions and how you think about growth
- 13:20versus optimization?
- 13:22Right. So, Mackenzie, we're always looking on how
- 13:24do we expand access.
- 13:26So that's opening more outpatient sites with skilled
- 13:29providers.
- 13:30We're in a very very,
- 13:32challenging environment, as you said, which means all
- 13:35of our investments must be carefully evaluated.
- 13:38But our framework is straightforward.
- 13:41If the innovation provides
- 13:43better patient safety, accelerates recovery, or increases the
- 13:47likelihood
- 13:48that a patient can return home, then it
- 13:50is worth pursuing.
- 13:51It might not have an ROI,
- 13:53but it might have a statement behind it.
- 13:56Right? It may increase our patient satisfaction scores.
- 13:59Right? So when we're looking at an investment
- 14:02now dialysis was a a fantastic thing to
- 14:05put into Burke. Right? Because now we're able
- 14:07to take patients that need rehab and on
- 14:10dialysis
- 14:11in addition to,
- 14:13our CT scanner suite that will be open
- 14:15shortly.
- 14:16And our smart bed technology
- 14:19is a patient safety,
- 14:21enabler. So we're constantly looking for those investments
- 14:24that distinguish us from everyone else
- 14:27and provides a benefit to the patient.
- 14:30Mhmm. That makes sense. A simple framework but
- 14:32so powerful. Right?
- 14:35I always say, will this improve the recovery
- 14:37journey of our patients?
- 14:39Because I talk to a lot of family
- 14:40members and I talk to a lot of
- 14:42patients, and they all say, we love it
- 14:44here. It's great. You know, how can I
- 14:47help? You know, we have a lot of
- 14:48patients that come back as volunteers,
- 14:51which is amazing.
- 14:52That is. It feels like you've built such
- 14:54a strong culture and community with both staff
- 14:57and your your patient population.
- 14:59Yeah. It starts at the
- 15:00first contact. Right? You only have one chance
- 15:02to make a first impression. Right? Excellent in
- 15:05every interaction.
- 15:06Mhmm. So when I have people that come
- 15:08see me for a meeting, my first question
- 15:09is, how are you greeted at the front
- 15:11desk?
- 15:12How many people said hello to you on
- 15:14the way to my meeting?
- 15:16Right? And that's really important.
- 15:18Very much so.
- 15:20I wanna end, I guess, just going back
- 15:23to that culture piece, it's clear you really
- 15:25have ingrained it so much throughout the organization,
- 15:28thinking through patient experience,
- 15:30culture, the community, the family,
- 15:33dynamic.
- 15:34What's really been been key to that? You
- 15:35said greeting at the front desk. You any
- 15:38thoughts there?
- 15:39Yeah. I think putting a spotlight on patient
- 15:42experience
- 15:43was the moment.
- 15:45Mhmm. And we did town halls to,
- 15:49educate the entire staff. We went to all
- 15:52the outpatient sites. I held virtual town halls.
- 15:55I think the eye opener was, here's where
- 15:57our scores are. Here's where we need to
- 16:00be. And the first thing people said is
- 16:02that can't be us.
- 16:03This must be a joke because our scores
- 16:05should be better.
- 16:07And letting everyone know that and it's not
- 16:08one department called patient experience, we are all
- 16:11responsible for patient experience.
- 16:13But true leadership in health care means showing
- 16:16up every day
- 16:18for people who are navigating
- 16:20through the most difficult moment of their lives.
- 16:22It means supporting everyone. Right? We got through
- 16:25COVID together, but now we're post COVID.
- 16:28You don't stop what you were doing during
- 16:30COVID. You acknowledge.
- 16:31You help.
- 16:33I I say to people, Mackenzie, in the
- 16:35morning, you know, what can I do to
- 16:37help? What matters to you? You know, you
- 16:39look like you're having a bad day. Tell
- 16:40me what's going on.
- 16:42Right? And and do something with it. This
- 16:44it's not just lip service.
- 16:46But more importantly, we're really proud to give
- 16:48patients
- 16:49something that every recovery journey requires,
- 16:53which is hope and independence.
- 16:55So you could tell, Mackenzie, I've been in
- 16:57my job over three decades. I love what
- 16:59I do.
- 17:00I love our employees and the patients
- 17:03that come in on a stretcher and leave
- 17:04on a walker.
- 17:06Mhmm. It's just an amazing sight.
- 17:10I can tell the passion
- 17:11for what you do just shines through. So
- 17:14thank you so much for such a enlightening
- 17:16discussion, Scott. It truly has been such a
- 17:18pleasure.
- 17:19We so appreciate you joining us on the
- 17:20podcast today. Thank you. Thank you so much,
- 17:23Mackenzie.