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"I Don't Want to Go with Them!" The Incredible Onboard UFO Encounter of William and Peggy Foster · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hell everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and thank you
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  Speaker 1: for joining me for a new episode of UFOs and
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  Speaker 1: the Paranormal. Got a very exciting and special episode for you. Today.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be talking about my favorite aspect of upology,
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  Speaker 1: and that is onboard ufhone counters. And this is not
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  Speaker 1: a collection of cases, but rather one single case involving
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  Speaker 1: multiple witnesses, so that alone makes it a pretty important case.
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  Speaker 1: The title of today's episode is I Don't Want to
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  Speaker 1: Go with Them? The incredible on board ufhone counter of
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  Speaker 1: William and Peggy Foster. One evening, late at night in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, Bill as he likes to be called,
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  Speaker 1: and his wife Peggy were driving with two friends near
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  Speaker 1: Yadkinville in North Carolina when they had a very close
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  Speaker 1: encounter which resulted in missing time. This wasn't apparent to
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  Speaker 1: them at first, but ultimately they found out that yes,
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  Speaker 1: they were taken on board. It's an extraordinary case which
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  Speaker 1: has a lot to say about who the ets are
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  Speaker 1: and why they are here on this planet, and I
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  Speaker 1: think you'll find it really fascinating. So yeah, that's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be talking about today. I did have
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  Speaker 1: the really good fortune to interview Bill Foster personally, so
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  Speaker 1: I will be playing small excerpts of the interview I
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  Speaker 1: did with him throughout this episode, And as far as
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  Speaker 1: I know, this is the only publicly available interview. He's
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  Speaker 1: done very few interviews and I couldn't find any others,
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  Speaker 1: So I will be including the entire interview at the
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  Speaker 1: end of this episode if you want to watch it.
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  Speaker 1: But let's just get started, and the first thing I
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about are the witnesses themselves, Bill and
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  Speaker 1: Peggy Foster. William S Foster aka Bill and his wife
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  Speaker 1: Peggy worked for many years as the owners of a
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  Speaker 1: pet sitting business in southern California, and then they moved
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  Speaker 1: to Maine. Most of his life, Bill worked in sales
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  Speaker 1: and marketing, and at the time of his encounter he
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  Speaker 1: was the ad director for CM Publishing Company. He was
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  Speaker 1: also a member of the Klamath Indian tribe. His wife, Peggy,
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  Speaker 1: worked as a self employed professional photographer, also as a
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  Speaker 1: customer service specialist, and she was in sales and marketing. Now,
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  Speaker 1: of course Bill was a lifelong contactee, but was absolutely
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  Speaker 1: ignorant of this fact and in fact, at the time
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  Speaker 1: of his encounter, UFOs were the farthest thing from his mind.
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  Speaker 1: As you can see, Bill and Peggy are just your average,
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  Speaker 1: everyday people. Bill was an incredibly nice guy when I
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  Speaker 1: interviewed him, clearly sincere and honest, and yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: this was the farthest thing from his mind. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he ever expected to be traveling down this past
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  Speaker 1: and finding out that he was a lifelong contactee. But
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  Speaker 1: of course that's what happened, and it all began with
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  Speaker 1: a siding. So let's start there with the sighting of
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. On the night of November sixteenth, nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety six, Bill Foster and his wife Peggy were both
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  Speaker 1: fifty five years old. They had joined another couple who
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  Speaker 1: were friends of theirs, Don and Lois those are pseudonyms,
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  Speaker 1: and they attended a social event held at the Forsyth
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  Speaker 1: Country Club, located at three one zero one Country Club
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  Speaker 1: Road in Winston Salem, North Carolina. They left the party
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  Speaker 1: around ten thirty PM and all four got into Bill's car,
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  Speaker 1: a Toyota Camery, and they continued their drive westbound, heading
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  Speaker 1: for their home in Elkin, about forty miles away. They
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  Speaker 1: were taking back roads. Bill and Peggy sat in the
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  Speaker 1: front seat, Don and Lois sat in the back. About
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  Speaker 1: twenty miles in to their trip, they turned north on
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  Speaker 1: Highway six oh one, just south of Yadkinville, and almost
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  Speaker 1: immediately as they headed north on six' oh, one they
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  Speaker 1: saw a bright but, small blinking yellowish light directly ahead
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  Speaker 1: of them off in the distance over the. Highway don
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  Speaker 1: remarked that if it was a, plane, quote he sure
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  Speaker 1: is flying mighty. Low it looked, unusual so they all
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  Speaker 1: kept their eyes on, it and shortly it took on
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  Speaker 1: the appearance of a red, light and then two red,
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  Speaker 1: lights and As don, said that thing is pretty. Big
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  Speaker 1: So bill at this point estimated it was about two miles,
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  Speaker 1: away and he slowed the car down from fifty miles
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  Speaker 1: per hour and kept going slower down to forty and
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  Speaker 1: then to thirty five miles per. Hour and As bill,
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  Speaker 1: SAYS i noted how odd it seemed that there was
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  Speaker 1: absolutely no other cars on the road that. Evening it
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  Speaker 1: was only eleven, pm and yet since we turned onto this,
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  Speaker 1: highway we had not seen one other car either coming
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  Speaker 1: toward our car or from behind. Us very, UNUSUAL i
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  Speaker 1: thought to. Myself that bothered me, then and it still
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  Speaker 1: does to this, day no traffic to be seen at.
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  Speaker 1: All why so they could now all see that this
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  Speaker 1: weird quote airplane was quite. Large this was also, unusual
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  Speaker 1: as there were no airports, nearby and it was flying so.
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  Speaker 1: Low and this is when they realized, that of, course
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  Speaker 1: this was not a, plane but what appeared to be
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  Speaker 1: a triangular shaped. Craft it was not, moving or if it,
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  Speaker 1: was it was very. Slow it appeared to be just
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  Speaker 1: hovering over the, highway and very quickly they drove right
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  Speaker 1: up to, it and His bill, says it was simply
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  Speaker 1: a jet, black perfectly formed triangle hanging there in the.
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  Speaker 1: Sky it was only at tree top. Level the height
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  Speaker 1: proximity of this thing was a staggering. Sight by the
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  Speaker 1: time our car arrived at a point just in front
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  Speaker 1: of the, triangle we were slowed almost to a. Halt
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  Speaker 1: we were in awe of the fact that this thing
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  Speaker 1: above us was moving so slowly and remained so low
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  Speaker 1: to the. Ground we couldn't understand how it was even
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  Speaker 1: certain to clear the tree, tops let alone any power.
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  Speaker 1: Poles so as they coasted underneath this, craft they each
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  Speaker 1: rolled down their windows and stared up in. Wonder and
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  Speaker 1: As bill, says nothing but blackness reflected back to our.
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  Speaker 1: Eyes no lights were visible at, all except for the
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  Speaker 1: three corners of the, triangle which had a red pulsing
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  Speaker 1: light similar in color to the lens covering of an
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  Speaker 1: automobile tail. Light the craft was, gigantic to our, amazement
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  Speaker 1: it seemed larger than a football. Field most unusual of,
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  Speaker 1: all there was no, sound just absolute. Silence no motor,
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  Speaker 1: noise no moving parts to be, heard no sound at. All,
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  Speaker 1: suddenly the craft moved off to the. Left it didn't
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  Speaker 1: turn or, Tilt it just slid evenly off to the,
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  Speaker 1: left moving slowly off and disappearing over a small hill
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  Speaker 1: into the. Distance bill now looked at the clock in
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  Speaker 1: his car and it read eleven seven, pm so it
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  Speaker 1: appeared to them that the setting had lasted about seven.
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  Speaker 1: Minutes with the craft now out of, sight the four
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  Speaker 1: talked excitedly about the sighting and decided that they had
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  Speaker 1: just seen an ACTUAL. Ufo five minutes, Later bill And
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  Speaker 1: peggy dropped Off dan And lois at their. Home they
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  Speaker 1: then continued to drive back to their home In, elkin
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  Speaker 1: which was about twenty minutes. Away arriving, Home bill glanced
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  Speaker 1: at the clock and saw that it was now two.
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  Speaker 1: Am Neither bill Nor peggy remarked on the fact that
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  Speaker 1: the one hour drive somehow took three. Hours they just
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  Speaker 1: went to. Bed so NOW i want to play a
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  Speaker 1: very short excerpt Where bill describes some of these.
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  Speaker 2: Events november, Sixteenth, yeah ninety. Six it was the.
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  Speaker 3: Fall we'd just gone to a party with two friends and,
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  Speaker 3: important AS i said in the, book you, know we don't, drink, smoke,
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  Speaker 3: dake drugs or anything like. That matter of, fact he
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  Speaker 3: had to get back. Early we left the party early
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  Speaker 3: because he had his own, business and he gets up
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  Speaker 3: at five thirty in the. Morning so we're headed. Home
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  Speaker 3: we think we see a seven forty seven or seven twenty,
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  Speaker 3: seven very low in the. Sky then as we're approaching
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  Speaker 3: it's in front of, us we realize that it's less
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  Speaker 3: than one hundred feet off the. Ground it's just a
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  Speaker 3: tree top, level and we can see on all sides of.
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  Speaker 3: It in other, words it was kind of a moonless,
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  Speaker 3: night but you, know all the stars were. Out there's
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  Speaker 3: no clouds, right and so we could look down one
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  Speaker 3: side and see that there was something solid to the
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  Speaker 3: right but the restless, sky and we could do the
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  Speaker 3: same thing on the other. Side that's how we determined
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  Speaker 3: it was a. Triangle in, retrospect you, know at the,
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  Speaker 3: TIME i would have given anything for a flashlight BECAUSE i.
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  Speaker 3: COULDN'T i couldn't see up under. IT i mean all
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  Speaker 3: we could. Tell you know how when you drive through a,
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  Speaker 3: tunnel you can tell you have you're under a something.
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  Speaker 3: Heavy right, NOW i start a, feeling you, Get, well
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  Speaker 3: when this thing came up to the front of the,
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  Speaker 3: car which is what we thought it, did and then
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  Speaker 3: sort of vectored off to the, side you get the
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  Speaker 3: feeling you were in the presence of something extremely. Heavy
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  Speaker 3: we took a wild guess that was probably about the
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  Speaker 3: size of a football.
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  Speaker 2: Field, well it just putted the tree.
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  Speaker 3: Tops we must have looked at it for five or six,
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  Speaker 3: minutes rolled the windows back, up and proceeded to drive
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  Speaker 3: home and, said, OH i must have seen A. UFO i,
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  Speaker 3: mean we just, said, boy that's. Amazing, well in, fact in,
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  Speaker 3: retrospect as we're driving, home we didn't even talk about
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  Speaker 3: it that. Much we looked, around there were no side,
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  Speaker 3: roads so we couldn't follow. It we just, said, WELL
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  Speaker 3: i guess we've seen A ufo and sort of chuckles
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  Speaker 3: and Then we talked mostly about what great fun we
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  Speaker 3: had that. Evening at the, party we dropped off our.
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  Speaker 3: Passengers it took another five minutes to drop them.
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  Speaker 2: Off they were close to.
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  Speaker 3: Home took us about twenty five minutes to get home
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  Speaker 3: because we left the. Party we had the sighting about.
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  Speaker 3: Eleven we left the. Party we'd get. Home we're dead.
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  Speaker 3: Tired we go to. BED i looked at the. Clock
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  Speaker 3: it's two in the, morning and So i'm the Wonder i'm.
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  Speaker 3: Tired we slept in the next. MORNING i was even
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  Speaker 3: late for, work and so were the couple that were with.
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  Speaker 3: Us he was late for. Work his crew showed up
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  Speaker 3: before he was even out of, bed and they get
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  Speaker 3: there about six in the.
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  Speaker 1: Morning this particular sighting quote sighting BECAUSE i think it's
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  Speaker 1: more than, that is particularly interesting to me because it
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  Speaker 1: shows how missing time can slide right under a person's.
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  Speaker 1: Radar also interesting is That bill really didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about, it but at the same time he. Did
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  Speaker 1: this is SOMETHING i think a lot of witnesses struggle
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  Speaker 1: with because they clearly understand that something very unusual happened to.
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  Speaker 1: Them bill finally did decide to talk to some, people
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  Speaker 1: and this of course led to unexpected consequences when his
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  Speaker 1: story became widely, publicized so that is the next, Segment
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  Speaker 1: bill goes. Public the day following the, Encounter bill shared
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  Speaker 1: his story with the newspaper editor where he. Worked the
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  Speaker 1: editor wanted to print the, story But bill. Refused he
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  Speaker 1: wanted no. Publicity but In february of nineteen ninety, seven
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  Speaker 1: Researcher George fawcett called the newspaper inquiring about any recent.
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  Speaker 1: Sightings this was Something george did, regularly so the editor
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  Speaker 1: then asked If bill wanted to talk To George. Fawcett
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  Speaker 1: bill reluctantly agreed and ended up filing a report With.
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  Speaker 1: Muffan the editor then Asked bill again if she could
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  Speaker 1: run his story in the, papers and this Time bill reluctantly,
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  Speaker 1: agreed and he thought that this would be the end of,
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  Speaker 1: It but of course it. Wasn't the story came out
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  Speaker 1: on the front page and it was quickly picked up
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  Speaker 1: by more than twenty other. Newspapers. Well there was great
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  Speaker 1: interest in this citing some of the newspapers printed stories
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  Speaker 1: that were distorted or, exaggerated and some even made up untrue,
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  Speaker 1: details So bill was not happy about. That, also his
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  Speaker 1: phone began ringing off the hook with requests for, interviews
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  Speaker 1: but more often from witnesses who had reported seeing the same,
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  Speaker 1: thing and in, fact he received about forty reports of
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  Speaker 1: people who had seen UFOs in the same area around
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  Speaker 1: the same, time and several of the reports described what
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  Speaker 1: appeared to be the exact same. Craft there, were of,
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  Speaker 1: course some ridicule in debunking. Attempts there was A Stanford
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  Speaker 1: university professor who explained the way the citing as that Of.
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  Speaker 1: Venus there was a man from Cal tech who said
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  Speaker 1: it was all just a. Hallucination there was a military
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  Speaker 1: expert so, called who said That bill And Peggy foster
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  Speaker 1: and their friends had seen nothing other than a. Helicopter
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  Speaker 1: one laughable expert said that what they had seen was
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  Speaker 1: just the. Moon so, yeah ridiculous debunking, attempts and this
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  Speaker 1: began to Cause bill some regret at having told, anyone
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  Speaker 1: and his Wife peggy was not happy. Either she wanted no,
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  Speaker 1: publicity and their Friends don And lois absolutely refused to
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  Speaker 1: talk about it. Publicly bill did learn one very unusual
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  Speaker 1: detail in relation to their. Sighting he received an anonymous,
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  Speaker 1: report apparently a leaked document from The Yadkinville Sheriff's department
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  Speaker 1: that on the night of their Sighting november, sixteen from
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  Speaker 1: the hours of ten pm to two a. M there
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  Speaker 1: was an unexplained and total radio blackout between all patrol
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  Speaker 1: vehicles in and Around. Yadkinville in other, words for some
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  Speaker 1: unknown mysterious, reason none of the police radios worked for
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  Speaker 1: a period of four hours during the exact time of the.
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  Speaker 1: Encounter So bill contacted The Yadkinville police and was eventually
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  Speaker 1: able to locate and verify the inside source and confirm
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  Speaker 1: that this report was. Genuine there was one other strange
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  Speaker 1: after effect from the. Sighting peggy experienced a sudden and
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  Speaker 1: mysterious improvement in her. Health As peggy, SAYS i suffered
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  Speaker 1: horribly from. Fibromyalgia in, FACT i was in bed the
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  Speaker 1: better part of two years and could barely. Function within
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  Speaker 1: a week after that, SIGHTING i started to recover or
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  Speaker 1: go into. Remission either, way my health improved steadily for three,
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  Speaker 1: years AND i was able to go back to work
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  Speaker 1: right after that. Event isn't that? Strange so, thankfully after a,
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  Speaker 1: while the attention from going public stopped and the story
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  Speaker 1: was largely. Forgotten bill And peggy's life returned back to
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  Speaker 1: normal at least for a. While some very interesting details
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  Speaker 1: there With peggy's fibromyalgia being, cured this whole police radio,
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  Speaker 1: Blackout these are clearly signs of a more extensive, encounter
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  Speaker 1: and yet they hadn't really come to the awareness of
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  Speaker 1: the missing time aspect of. This so this is where
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  Speaker 1: things really took a turn turn into the twilight zone
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  Speaker 1: For bill And. Peggy he thought at this point that
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  Speaker 1: the whole thing was resolved and would all just go,
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  Speaker 1: Away but then through a chance, synchronicity the whole event
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  Speaker 1: came roaring back And bill's life was changed. Forever SO
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  Speaker 1: i call this next segment missing. Time three years passed
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  Speaker 1: since the, sighting and then, suddenly On june, nine two,
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  Speaker 1: thousand one innocent little question Turned bill's In peggy's life upside.
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  Speaker 1: Down at the, time they had moved To, Kittery maine
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  Speaker 1: to be close to their. Family two family members were
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  Speaker 1: visiting From, arizona and one of, Them alan was shocked
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  Speaker 1: to hear About bill And peggy's, sighting and he asked
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  Speaker 1: to hear their. Story after hearing the story and confirming
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  Speaker 1: the timeline of leaving the party at ten, thirty seeing
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  Speaker 1: THE ufo at eleven and arriving home at, TWO a
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  Speaker 1: m alan, asked, quote how do you account for the
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  Speaker 1: missing two or two and a half? Hours? Now Neither
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  Speaker 1: bill Nor peggy had really thought about. This they had
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  Speaker 1: no logical. Answer bill became very curious about this missing,
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  Speaker 1: time and he began to voraciously read books about THE ufo,
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  Speaker 1: subject and of course discovered the phenomenon known as missing.
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  Speaker 1: Time and he knew what that, meant and that there
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  Speaker 1: must be more to the encounter than they consciously, remembered
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  Speaker 1: and that perhaps they had been taken on board the.
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  Speaker 1: Craft as outlandish as the idea seemed to, him the
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  Speaker 1: more he, read the more likely it appeared that this
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  Speaker 1: was the answer to the missing. Time bill had recently
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  Speaker 1: used hypnotic therapy to help quit smoking, cigarettes so he
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  Speaker 1: contacted the, hypnotherapists a lady by the name Of Nadine,
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  Speaker 1: wheeler and asked if she would be willing to work
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  Speaker 1: with him in regards to HIS ufo. Encounter nadine had
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  Speaker 1: no experience with THE ufo, subject which was exactly What bill,
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  Speaker 1: wanted because this way she wouldn't be able to influence his.
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  Speaker 1: Recall she, agreed and so began what would become more
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  Speaker 1: than two years of monthly hour or more long hypnotic,
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  Speaker 1: regressions both With bill And. Peggy these sessions opened up
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  Speaker 1: a can of. Worms it took many sessions to get
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  Speaker 1: all the memories, back but they finally revealed that The november,
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  Speaker 1: sixteenth nineteen ninety six sighting was in fact an on board. Encounter, Bill,
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  Speaker 1: peggy and their two friends were all apparently taken on
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  Speaker 1: board in extraterrestrial, craft And, bill it turned, out had
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  Speaker 1: a lifetime of. EXPERIENCES i suspect that there are a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people out there who had what they thought
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  Speaker 1: was simply a sighting and weren't aware of the missing time.
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  Speaker 1: Aspect bill And peggy fortunately did find, out and this
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  Speaker 1: of course led to then going under. Hypnosis no a
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  Speaker 1: word about. Hypnosis some people consider it quite, controversial and,
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  Speaker 1: yeah it can be done. INCORRECTLY i think it can
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  Speaker 1: lead to the recovery of false. Memories but done, correctly
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my, mind and studies have proven
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  Speaker 1: this that it is very effective to accurately recall events
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  Speaker 1: buried in missing. Time and in further confirmation of this
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  Speaker 1: are the details that Both bill And peggy recalled under,
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  Speaker 1: hypnosis which match perfectly with what other people have, recalled
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  Speaker 1: both consciously and with. Hypnosis so this story that happened to,
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  Speaker 1: them this series of, events is really quite astonishing and very.
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  Speaker 1: Extensive but WHAT i want to talk about now is
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  Speaker 1: the onboard encounter they had in nineteen ninety, six and
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  Speaker 1: it's really one of the most interesting onboard Encounters i've
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  Speaker 1: heard in a long, time and very important because again
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  Speaker 1: it is a multiple witness case compared to the number
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  Speaker 1: of cases involving a single, witness this is quite, rare
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  Speaker 1: so that makes it very, important and just so many
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  Speaker 1: really interesting details to this particular event which really changed
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  Speaker 1: Again bill's life. Forever SO i call this one taken
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  Speaker 1: on board under. Hypnosis bill was taken back to that fateful.
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  Speaker 1: Night he recalled the same events that he remembered consciously
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  Speaker 1: up and until they had driven under this giant, craft
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  Speaker 1: and instead of rolling to a near stop and watching
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the craft move smoothly, Away bill recalled something. Else he
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: recalled that the car actually came to a complete, stop
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: and suddenly he realized that the car actually rose up
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: about five feet above the. Road the craft above them
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: began to, move and along with it went their car
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: with them in. IT a bright beam of light came
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: out from the bottom of the. Craft it got brighter and.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Brighter this Point bill felt a strange sense of. Peace
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: As bill, says a sense of well being came, over
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: something akin to being wrapped in a blanket by your
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: parents when you are, cold and watching the concern everyone
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: has for your. Comfort, now To bill's utter, shock the
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: car somehow passed through the bottom of the craft and
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: was deposited gently on a, shiny dark gray floor inside a,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: vast brightly lit, room which he calls a. Hangar there
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: was no direct visible light, source and yet the room
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: was very. Bright he felt no change in. Temperature there
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: was a pervasive, silence and in, Fact bill was shocked
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to discover that his chronic tenightis wasn't bothering him at.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: All bill felt no fear at this, point just curiosity and.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Tranquility As bill, says there was just a, comfortable peaceful.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: FEELING a sense of calm was washing over. Me, now
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a large group of a dozen or more gray aliens.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Appeared bill felt his body become limp as three of
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: the grays opened his car door and floated or levitedid
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: him out of the car and to a standing. Position
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: he could see the others being pulled from the car
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: in the same. Manner each was being escorted by the.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Ets As bill, says they look like stereotypical. Grays they
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: are all four feet, high all, gray all, over big, heads,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: almond black. Eyes the gray skin of the body looked,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: smooth or maybe it's some sort of coverall but the
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: hands look. WRINKLED i can't tell if that is gray
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: clothing or SKIN i am looking. At though looking, Around
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: bill was amazed to see another, craft a much smaller,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: craft parked a short distance away in his. Hangar As bill,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: says it was a small, vehicle teardrop, shaped silver metallic
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: standing up on tripod. Legs it looked to be about
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: thirty feet in. Diameter there are no seams THAT i can.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: See it appears to be one solid piece of molded.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Material it is solid silver. Looking it is not shiny
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: like sdainlyss, steel but. Dull it has no, windows quarts
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: or anything like, that just a, smooth rounded. Surface the
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: top and bottom are. Round it as though he placed
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: two shallow salad bowls, together squatty and. Wide Now behind this,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Craft bill could see walls with strange writing on, them,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: and As bill, says all along the walls were panels
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: from the floor to a ten foot. Height the panels
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: were about ten feet apart and ten feet. High large
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: characters were Written chinese style from floor to, ceiling stacked
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: one on top of the other in perfectly straight. Lines
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the closest likeness THAT i could describe as a comparative
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: would be hieroglyphics from The egyptian. Period Now bill now
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: realized that he wasn't, walking but was actually, floating and
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: all four of them were. Separated bill began to hammer
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the grays with, questions what are you, Doing where are
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: you taking? Us what is going on? Here one of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: the grays, replied don't, worry we won't harm. You every
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Question bill asked was answered with this, phrase don't, worry
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: we won't harm. You he saw that they were taking
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: him to an arched opening at the far end of this.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Room very, quickly the graze floated him to and through
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the door into a curved, corridor and as he was
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: floated down the, corridor he managed to catch a quick
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: glimpse of an open, doorway and looking, inside saw four
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: adults lying on short silver metallic. Tables they all appeared
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: to be. Unconscious they had no clothes, on And bill
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: felt a wave of embarrassment to see them. Unclothed before
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: he could, react he was floated into a small room
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: who was placed on his back on a. TABLE a
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: bright light shone down on him from, above and As bill,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: says the table was, smooth, shiny and looked and felt
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: just like stainless. Steel the corners were molded and, rounded
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: with no sharp edges. Visible no joints or seams were
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: visible to. Me the table appeared to be a solid,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: object molded from one dying cast into its present. Form
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: it just seemed to rise from the floor as part
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: of the floor. Itself an extremely bright light was over my.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Head was too bright to gaze at. DIRECTLY i had
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: to constantly avert my eyes or close. Them Now bill
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: suddenly felt that the paralysis that had been holding his
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: body immobilized and limp suddenly, Dissipated and he now remembered
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that this was not his first time being on board and.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Examined The grays made a deal with him a long time,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: ago as long as he did not try to get
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: off the table or touch anything they would allow him
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: freedom of. Movement looking, around he saw that he was briefly,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: alone but seconds later four grays appeared and awkwardly began
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: to take off his shoes and undress. Him bill actually
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: offered to undress, himself but they ignored him in just
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: continued to remove his. Clothes one of them, said don't be,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: afraid we won't hurt. You bill interrupted them and told
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: them that he needed to go to the, bathroom and
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: he tried to undress, himself and this is when he
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: looked up and saw a familiar looking gray. Et this
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: was a much taller, being and in, fact he recognized
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: having seen him before earlier in his. Life he became
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: very intrigued and reached out to touch the gray's, face
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and Immediately bill was paralyzed and lay immobile on the
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: table as his clothes were. Removed the ets then proceeded
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to place a metal sort of crown like or helmet
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: like device on his. Head bill saw that the grays
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: had three. Fingers he could feel that their skin was,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: soft somewhat reminiscent of lizard. Skin he, said soft and.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Leathery the two grays At bill's feet used a metal
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: wand like device and lightly touched the bottom of his
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: feet as if measuring. Something bill was able to see
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: strange telepathic images in their, heads but these images made
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: no sense to. Him and As bill, says they are
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: looking at my, feet, legs and. Thighs they seem to
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: be measuring links and widths of all my body. Parts
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: it is a familiar. Routine they do seem to be
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: in a. Hurry it seems as though there is some
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: plan they are working. Under there is a massive amount
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: of communication going back and forth between The Big guy
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and the four other. GRAYS i don't know what the
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: content is, about there is just a lot of. It
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: at some, Point bill asked them, telepathically For god's, sake
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: will you just answer one simple question for? Me who
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: or what are? You the tall gray That bill calls
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: The Big guy, said we are a. Species although the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: gray did offer a literal, Answer the answer Annoyed, bill
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and he shot, back that's no. Answer you could say
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: that we humans are a species, too and the gray
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: said that is. Correct you asked or what we, are
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: and we answered, you we are a. Species that is
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the answer to your. Question so the exam continued with
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: what researchers call quote a staring, procedure and As bill,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: says the big guy keeps touching my cheek and turning
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: my face back into, his SO i have to stare
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: into his. Eyes, finally the exam ended the gray That
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: bill called the big, guy told him to get up
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: from the table and, said it is in your best
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: interest to live another one hundred. Years it saddens us
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: to always see such fear inside of. You we will meet.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Again So bill sat. Up they allowed him to put
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: on his. Underwear the grays then helped him get. Dressed
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: he jumped off the table and was surprised when his
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: feet didn't touch the. Floor, instead he floated a few
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: inches above, it and the grays floated him out of
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the exam, room down the, corridor and back into the
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: main hangar where the car was. Now Like bill under,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Hypnosis peggy recalled that the car came to a. Stop
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: she recalled a floating. Sensation she blacked. Out her next
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: memory was of being separated from the others and floated
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: down a corridor by amorphous gray. Figures she was unable
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: to get a good look at, them but she says
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: six or seven of them surrounded her as she was
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: placed on a smooth metal. Table she found herself inside
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: a small room with an arched. Doorway her clothes were,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: removed just Like bill. Described she, said a bright light
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: shone down on her from, above and she had the
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: sense that she was being physically. Examined she could actually
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: feel The grays touching her, body and although she never
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: did get a good look at the, figures she could
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: definitely see their shapes moving busily around as if they
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: were engaged in executing an important. Mission she occasionally did
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: get glimpses of their, eyes which she said were quote
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: very liquid and, deep and Like, bill she could sense
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that The grays were communicating actively with each, other but
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: she had no idea what it was. About after the,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: exam she was made to sit up on the bed
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: while The grays put her clothes back. On So, here
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: in this little Excerpt i'd like to play for, You
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: bill describes how the ets.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: LOOK i find the one THING i can visualize perfectly
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: is their.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Skin this gray.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: Skin if you a picture an alligator.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Handbag it was very, Soft it's like worped.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Leather it's extremely minion little cracks and, wrinkles AND i
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: was just fascinated by his. FACE i MEAN i kept
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: wanting to touch, it and as soon AS i touched.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: IT i get.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Zapped well that's WHAT i call. IT i, Mean i'd
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: be completely paralyzed on the.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: TABLE i couldn't move. ANYTHING i could move my eyes
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: and a little bit of my. Head that's.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: It, no they don't like being touched at, all and
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: SO i, COULD i, know and every time i'd forget
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: and they'd let, me you, know i'd have freedom to
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: move my arms or, whatever And i'd try and touch your.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Face THEN i get paralyzed.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Again.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Huh SO i kept trying to tell, Them, Okay i'll
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: try to remember not to touch, you because the big
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: guy would put his face down within i'd say three
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: inches of. Mine the whole theory they've got TO i
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: kept noticing of looking into their.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Eyes their eyes are unbelievably.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: PEACEFUL i mean it's almost like you're floating in a
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: cloud when you look in their, eyes and they control
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: you with this gaze of looking into their. Eyes so
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: they get real close to do, it and then before
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: that piecer or relaxation to get away from the fear
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: to kick in, THERE i was trying to reach for
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: the face AGAIN i get frozen back on the.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Table if very detailed an extensive onboard, Encounter and, yes
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: this was a multiple witness case as, Well so while
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: it was recovered under, Hypnosis bill And peggy recalled the same.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Details so that and exit pretty much impossible to explain
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: this away as, hoaxes, hallucinations, misperception mental, illness or, imagination
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: or any other explanation that skeptics and debunkers come up.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: With it very much looks like this really did, happen
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: because how else can you explain the missing. Time so
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: now let's move to the end of this, encounter WHICH
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: i call the. Return all four witnesses were now led
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: back to the car in the same way they were
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: taken from. It bill was led to the car and
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: he saw it sitting there. Empty he had no sooner
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: opened the driver's side. Door When, Peggy don And lois.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Appeared they were placed down in their respective. Seats everyone
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: seemed to be somewhat in a daze as the car
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: was dropped down from a height of about fifty feet
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: quickly and then slowed down about ten feet from the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: ground and was set very gently on the. Road, peggy of,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: course also recalled. This she recalled be floated from the
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: exam room down a. Corridor she also had a brief
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: glimpse of looking into a room and seeing other people
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: lying on, tables exactly As bill had. Recalled she was
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: then taken into the hangar and up to the. Car
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: she recalled that she was actually put in before anyone,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: else and she watched His bill was floated gently into
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: his seat by two. Grays she looked in the backseat
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and Saw don And. Lois she next recalled as the
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: car dropped down very rapidly towards the road and then
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: came to a soft stop and was placed gently on the.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Road as the car hit the, road they continued. Driving
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: the entire onboard segment became instantly buried in, amnesia and
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: while hypnosis brought out all the memories of this amazing,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: event there were of course still many. Questions While peggy
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: went under, hypnosis she often felt some, pain and this
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: proved to be an obstacle to her remembering the events,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: fully where As bill would often overcome with, fear and
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the first few sessions were especially, harrowing causing him to
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: break down in tears and sob. Openly meggy very nearly
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: quit the sessions due to the trauma it was causing,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: her but, ultimately after she recalled the, events she decided
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: that she was. Done she wanted to just put the
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: encounter behind. Her she felt violated by this encounter and
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: none of it was pleasant for. Her As peggy, said
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the entire experience makes me wonder if it has happened
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: to other family. Members the worst part is that you
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: can't talk about it with anyone because of the stigma
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: connected to this sort of. THING i am scared to
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: death they are going to come back and get me.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: AGAIN a lot of the, TIME i would just like
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: to forget about the whole. THING i just shut it
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: out of my mind and wish that it never. Happened so,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Again bill did reach out To don And, lois and
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: neither wanted to talk about the encounter or have anything
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to do with. It bill And, peggy of, course could.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Understand they both realized that their own lives would never
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: be the. Same, bill, however had the added complication of
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: knowing that this wasn't a singular. Event throughout the, sessions
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: many of the details were very familiar to. Him he
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: recognized the gray he called the Big, guy who was
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: apparently his main. Liaison he recalled having met him a
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: number of times. Before he remembered undergoing short exams as
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety six encounter, involved and longer exams which
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: were unpleasant and sometimes. Painful knowing that this had been
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: happening his entire life caused him to reevaluate. Everything he
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: realized that he just couldn't leave this. Alone he had
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: to know. More he had to get some. Answers he
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: wanted to know how many times he had been, taken
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: and even more, importantly. Why so he continued working With
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Nadine wheeler to explore his past. Encounters When bill And
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: peggy recovered these memories under, hypnosis they did of course
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Contact don And lois to see what they. Thought don
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: really didn't want to talk much about, it And lois
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: absolutely denied the entire. Incident she did not even remember
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: it at. All this, again is not terribly, unusual but
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: it was certainly frustrating for Both bill And peggy because
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: they were of course participants in, this and this left
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: them pretty much. Alone they did have each other to rely,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: on but, yeah it would have been very interesting to
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: find out What don And lois recalled alas they did
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: not want to, cooperate which is certainly understandable. Now going
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: under hypnosis almost always opens a can of. Worms people
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: elect to explore perhaps a singular missing time, event and
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: to their shock they find out that, no it wasn't
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a one, off and that they've had a lifetime of.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Encounters this is a WARNING i always give to contact
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: des who are considering hypnotic regression because these things are
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: rarely a singular, event and that was certainly what happened
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: In bill's case when he found out that he had
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: been taken, many many, times starting all the way back
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: to early. Childhood so that's what we're going to talk
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: about in the next, segment WHICH i call The. Beginning
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: as a very young, boy odd things began to happen To.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Bill from age seven to, fifteen he had many of
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: what his grandmother who raised, him assumed were sleepwalking. Episodes
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: he would wake up in odd places in the. House
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: once he woke up in the, garage his grandmother would
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: ask him why his pajamas were on. Backwards, bill of,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: course had no memory of putting on his PGA's. Backwards
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: once he woke up staring out the window of his
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: bedroom and saw a strange man staring back at. Him
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: this was three point thirty, am so this event scared him.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Badly another, Time bill woke up standing on the front
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: lawn outside shivering with. Cold so after suffering from several
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: of these, episodes his grandmother finally took him to the,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: doctor who said simply not to worry that he would
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: grow out of. Them bill's first onboard encounter that he
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: recalled under hypnosis occurred at age. Five this was nineteen forty,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: six and he suddenly recalled that he was just onboard
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: a craft with other gray ets who were little children.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Themselves As bill, SAYS i was playing with young, aliens
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: presumably close to my own. AGE i was about as
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: tall as they. Were the adults THAT i remember supervising
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: our playtime were about four feet tall and were. GRAYS
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: i saw alien kids playing with a ball floating in mid.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: AIR i could see myself walking all the way around that.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Ball those kids are really sickly. Looking takes about an
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: hour to. Play the ball is about the size of
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: a kiddie's soccer. Ball it's a patchwork thing plates on.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: It it turns around in the, air and there are
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: tubes that go with. This the tubes float around in
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the air. Too the ball zips, around the tubes tumble
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: end over. End it took me a long time to
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: learn that you don't touch either thing. Physically they had
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: a hard time teaching me THAT i should use my
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: mind to move. Things it took me a long, time
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: BUT i learned to make the ball go up and
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: down and back and. Forth we'd do it for about an.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Hour the two other kids would do it with. Me
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: those kids were really good at. It they could make
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: that ball and the tubes move. ANYWHERE i remember the
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: first TIME i, TRIED i couldn't make any one object.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: MOVE i finally could move one or the, other but
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: never all of them at. Once those kids made that
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: ball and the tubes move anywhere all around the. Room
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: so two years, later in nineteen forty, eight at age,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Seven bill was again taken on board for What bill
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: calls quote. Playtime he saw the same Child gray that
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: he had seen at age, five and it was the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: same game involving the ball in tubes and trying to
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: move them. Telekinetically bill, says we played childish. Games we
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: spoke a childish language and, vocabulary and as best AS i,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: remember the words and sounds were coming out, loud not.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Telepathically it was a good sized. Room the grays took
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: care of, us but the big guy would look in
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: occasionally on us for a, moment and then he would leave.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Again it was a lot of. Fun we mostly just
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: played that one game every TIME i was. There now
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: two years, later now nineteen, Fifty bill is nine years.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Old bill had his last play date with the gray alien.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Children As bill, says it was still the childish format, games, fun,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: excitement and my acceptance of the alien children seemed perfectly
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: natural as. Playmates WHEN i got halfway decent at moving
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the balls and, tubes they moved me into a larger
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: room where there were about five gray kids and human.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Kids funny thing was that those human kids were no
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: better at the game THAN i. Was when there was
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that many of us in the, room they used three
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: balls and three tubes at the same. Time we sat
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: crosslegged like a yoga. THING i talked to, them but
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: only in their, heads just like the. GRAYS i remember
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: all of the human kids laughing about, something only the
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: kids changed expressions on their. Faces the gray kids laughed,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: too but only inside their, head not on their. Faces
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: we got used to, that, though so at age, Twelve
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: bill had one of his most, memorable harrowing and influential.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Encounters was now nineteen fifty, three and As bill, says
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: this was my first encounter with the adult grays and
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the big guy was very. PAINFUL i was naked on the.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: TABLE i made a deal with the big. Guy the
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: deal was no clamp down for me IF i don't
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: try to touch him or the. Others IF i reach
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: for the, FACE i get zapped and. PARALYZED i quickly
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: agreed not to ever attempt to touch. Him, so after
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: undressing him and putting him on the, table they placed the,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: lightweight metallic helmet like device on his head What bill
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: calls Quote the long examination, followed a bright light shone
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: down from. Above metal rods were placed on the inside
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: of his arms at the. Elbows they checked his. Teeth
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: they placed a box like object between his. Legs he
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: believes they were taking a genetic. Sample the worst part came.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Next the big guy, said, relax be, calm we won't hurt.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: You and As bill, SAYS i feel the. Implant it
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: is going up my. Nose, god it. HURTS i can
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: hear the crunch as it goes through the bone in
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: the top of my. Nose the big guy's eyes are
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: right up near my. HEAD i keep forgetting THAT i
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: have to look directly into his eyes to avoid the.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Pain it relieves the pain instantly IF i just keep
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: staring into those liquid pools of. Blue they then ran
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: a metal rod like instrument up and down his, legs
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: and The Big gray now had a message For. Bill
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: as The Big gray, said we cannot communicate until you
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: let go of the. Fear fear is a wall against.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Communication let go of the fear or nothing will be.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Absorbed do it in. Stages look at, me, Relax nobody
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: will hurt. You there's nothing to be afraid. Of open
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: up your, mind, relax and just be. Calm you must
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: understand and comprehend the. Lessons once you totally understand and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: comprehend the entire, lessons you can go with. Us you
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: must comprehend it, first, though regardless of how long it.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Takes so Here i'm going to play a very brief
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: excerpt Where bill describes this.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Well it appears that way back WHEN i was twelve years,
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: old that we add some kind of agreement that IF
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: i learned all my, lessons it's whatever that. Meant these
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: pictures THAT i, saw WHICH i never got to grasp,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: of THAT i could go with them and live with them. Permanently,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Well i'd had a kind of a rough life up until.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: THEN i wasn't too, happy AND i, said sounds like
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: a good deal to.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Me you, KNOW i wouldn't mind doing.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: That AND i was supposed to go with him on
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: my sixty third birthday or sixty, second it depends on
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: which way you read. It so that was another. THING
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: i went To John knockabov and, said he, said what
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: do you feel like going with? HIM i, said, no
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: that you know of anybody who ever?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Did he said.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: No So bill's encounter at age twelve revealed this shocking
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: revelation that he might go with The ets. Permanently As
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: bill said at age, TWELVE i made the agreement to
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: go with them as soon AS i got the content
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: and understanding of the. Message i've got something they want
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: something to do with my. SENSES i am going to
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: give them what they don't. Have APPARENTLY i am not
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the only volunteer they have. Had they did SAY i
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: am the best. Volunteer they have had to show. Fear
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: they need to comprehend. Fear the trade off is living
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: longer for me another one hundred. Years Though bill's childhood
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: encounters continued at age. Sixteen in nineteen fifty, Seven bill
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: was taken on board for what he, calls quote the short.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: Examination As bill, says it does not take. Long they
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: took some scrapings or samples from my. FINGERS i got
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: some lecture about. Fear The gray spoke and, said develop the. Senses, smell,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: taste touch and feel are. Important notice the texture of.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Things it has use for us in the. Future bill
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: said that The grays seemed to be very interested in
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: his ability to sense. Things in nineteen, sixty at age,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Nineteen bill was taken on board for what he, called
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: quote an informational. Session As bill, says they are surprised
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: THAT i don't remember. Them we're just going to. TALK
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: i am sitting on a bench that is molded from the.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Wall he runs a box up and down my, body
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: checking me. Out i'm apparently functioning all. Right he's showing
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: me the. Pictures now the screen is in my. Head
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: so this turned out to be the same images he
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: has shown each. Time they often showed him star charts
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: connected by, lines a sun in its dying, stages a
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: close up of a human, nose all kinds of. Images
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: each of these images had small hieroglyphic like symbols in
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: the corner of each. Image so so, Far bill recalled
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: about six onboard encounters between age five and, nineteen and
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: he now realized that the onboard encounters fell into three,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: categories the long, exam the short, exam and an informational,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: session each occurring at regular intervals somewhat close to seven
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: years or. So how amazing is That i've heard many
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: other cases where people described being taken on board as
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: children and playing these kinds of, games telekinetic. Games so
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: THAT i think adds another level of, confirmation Because bill
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: certainly had no idea that there were other reports out
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: there that matched. His it also, SHOWS i, think one
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: of the et, agendas which is to help people to
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: develop their own psychic. Abilities also very interesting is That
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: bill was given the offer to live with The grays
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: on a permanent. Basis i've heard this, before AND i
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: know of a few cases where people have accepted. This
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: it's pretty, rare but it's absolutely not. Unique also interesting
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: is That bill started to notice a pattern to these,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: encounters with some involving a physical exam and others involving
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: what it was more more of an information. Exchange also very.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Interesting another pattern was how his encounters would occur every
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: seven years or, so so some answers are starting to become.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Apparent but of course this was a lifelong thing For.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: Bill it didn't stop when he was a. Kid so
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: now we're going to move on to his adulthood where
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: he experienced many other onboard. Encounters so this next segment
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: is called more Onboard. Encounters one evening in nineteen sixty,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Seven bill now twenty six years, old received the telepathic
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: instruction to get in his car and go to a
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: nearby lake a few miles from his home outside Of, Salem.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Oregon he unconsciously. Obeyed he parked his car at the
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: edge of the, lake and moments, later the familiar craft
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: appeared ahead of, him moved over his, car and sent
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: down a beam of. Light bill was instantly levitated from
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: his car and into the craft and His bill, SAYS
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: i am greeted by only two small, grays and they
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: flowed me across The Hangar, bay to this. Room there
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: were five grays in this. Room this was the room
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: where he had seen the four unknown adults in his
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. ENCOUNTER a few grays began to gesture at.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: Him bill argued with them until suddenly the big guy
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: came into the room and began to speak to him. Telepathically,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately bill was unable to recall this, message but he
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: does recall. Smiling he willingly removed his, clothes folded, them
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: placed them on one of the, tables and he was
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: then led from that room to the smaller exam. Room
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: again floated down the. Corridor after being placed on his
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: back on the, table two of the grays began to
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: examine his, feet bending them away from his. Ankle he
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: watched them do this and was surprised to see them
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: nod in. Agreement he had never seen them do this.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Before the two other grays took identical tubular metallic devices
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: and attached them to his inner, arm kept him there
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: for ten, seconds and removed. Them another gray came in
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: and put a box like contraption between his. Legs, again
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: he believes they were taking a sample from, him but
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: he felt no. Sensation bill was then turned onto his.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Side the big gray stared Into bill's eyes as a
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: little gray took a foot long silver rod and performed
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: a ten second long anal, probe inserting at only a
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: few inches inside of. Him that was the only time
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: he ever experienced, that and that proved to be the
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: end of the. Exam bill was then floated back to
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: the room where he had. Undressed he dressed, himself and
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: he was then floated back to the hangar and then
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: was dropped down feet first by a beam of light
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: and deposited back in his. Car he drove off and
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: returned home with no conscious memory of the. Encounter the whole,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: encounter he, estimates lasted about one, hour so these encounters
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: continued to occur at regular. Intervals the next one occurred
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy. Four bill was thirty three years. Old
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: he was living in Turner ore again at the, time
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: and on the impulse one evening in Early, august he
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: stepped outside and very quickly he was whisked up into the.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Air he looked down and was amazed to see the
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: houses becoming smaller below, him and the next thing he
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: knew he was in that familiar hangar. Bay this time
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: he was surprised to see three of the, small thirty
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: foot little silver gray. Crafts the Little grays appeared and
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: he was again floated out of the, hangar down a
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: corridor and into a room with a small. Bench this
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: was an informational. Session the big guy came in and
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: sat in front of. Him bill asked if they were
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: going to examine, him and the Big guy said not
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: to worry about, that and just concentrate on the pictures
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: in front of. Him the wall became like a movie
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: and numerous pictures whizzed. By As bill, says they whipped
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: by my mind so fast that there's no WAY i
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: can and absorb all. THAT i just keep staring at.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Them the big guy seems pleased IF i just keep
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: staring at the, pictures SO i do AS i am,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: instructed and that act alone seems to make him. Happy
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: so by this Time bill had gone over much of
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: the fear of his earlier, encounters and he asked many,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: questions most of which the ets did not. Answer as
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: he sat on the bench in the little, room he
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: became curious about the craft and, SAID i want to
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: see more of this. PLACE i am sick of this same.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Room every, time how big is this? Place and the
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: big guy's response was, surprising As bill, says that's the
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: first TIME i ever saw this guy. Smile in, FACT
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: i said it. Twice he, said it's as big as
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: we need it to. Be he has a great knack
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: for just passing the question by if he doesn't want to.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Answer so HERE i want to play a very brief
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: excerpt Where bill talks about.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: THIS i think that was the most.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: FRUSTRATING i remember asking a million questions and EITHER i
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: would get answers like you would answer a, child OR
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: i get no answer at.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: All but, OKAY.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: I think the most fascinating to me was the QUESTION
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: i asked about physical size of the, vehicle because they
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: trying will look bigger at times and smaller at, Times
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: AND i, said what size is this?
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: Craft AND i.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: Remember him saying it's whatever size we needed to, be
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: and seemed kind of a muse THAT i even.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Asked the next onboard encounter occurred four years, later nineteen seventy.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Eight there was thirty seven years. Old this was just
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: a short. Exam it was the same as, always with
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: one remarkable. Exception As bill, says they had some surprise
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: visitors for. Me this time they brought a couple of
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the KIDS i played with as a. CHILD i recognize.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Them that's the damnedest. THING i remember those. Guys good
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: seeing you guys. Again they were visiting. Here they have
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: to go because they have work to. Do at age forty,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: two nineteen eighty, Three bill had another onboard encounter involving
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: the long, exam and it was an exact repeat of
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: other encounters involving a long, exam and the etes told
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: him that he was doing very well for his. Age
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: pattern of his encounters continued because it was seven years,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: later in nineteen Ninety bill's now forty, nine that he
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: was taken on board for what was supposed to be
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: an informational. Session, instead something very different happened because five years,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Earlier bill had suffered a sudden and unexpected mild heart. Attack,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: thankfully he survived without any major. Complications but When bill
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: was taken on board and given a brief checkup with
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: this little silver box that they always, used the big
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: guy was shocked by the result of this, checkup, and
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: As bill, says they discovered the heart attack by using
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: that little. Box he placed the ball wand right over
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: my heart and asked what happened. There the lesson is
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: postponed this time BECAUSE i had to explain to him
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: in great detail about the heart. Attack he wanted to
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: know what was wrong inside of Their he pointed at
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: my own. CHEST i had to explain angioplasty to. Him
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: he said that they were very sorry and that shouldn't
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: have happened to. Me he said it almost as if
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: he should have prevented. It he seems very very concerned about.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: That by this, Point bill had had so many experiences
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: with THE ets that he came to know what to.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Expect in some, ways his encounters were somewhat, repetitive although
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: there was always new information being. Revealed bill's experiences are quite,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: extensive so there's a lot of information about who THE
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: ets are and why they're taking him on. Board, however
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: he was always left with more questions than, answers and
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: he had a little little bit of a love hate
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: relationship with all of this because it was quite scary for,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: him while at the same time he felt a close
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: connection to these. Ets but then he would have another
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: encounter which answered a lot of the questions that he
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: had about his own. Experiences SO i call this next
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: segment all is. Revealed In march of nineteen ninety, Three
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: bill's now fifty, Two he was again taken not far
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: from his home In Palas, Verdes, california where at the
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: time they owned and operated a pet sitting. Business once,
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Again bill felt compelled to drive away from his home
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the. Night he parked his car
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: and looked out over the, ocean wondering what he was.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Doing when the ship, appeared he, said it moved with
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: amazing speed and, grace and very quickly it was right.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Overhead it set down a beam of light and lifted
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: him up into the hangar. Bay he was surprised to
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: see that there were no smaller craft, there but The grays,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: were and As bill, says there are my little buddies all.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Around he was immediately floated out of the, hangar down
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: the corridor and into a small room with a very
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: low bench along the. Wall The, gray he calls The Big,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: guy told him immediately that the purpose of this visit
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: was to give him quote the, instructions and also to
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: check on the implant inside his sinus cavity to see
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: if it was functioning. Properly it was one of the informational,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: sessions which were the least upsetting and most enjoyable of
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: all three types of. Encounters and As bill, says The
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Big guy is telling, me it is very important for
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: me to remember these, instructions even THOUGH i will not
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: understand them fully right. Now he tells me to. Remember
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: then after these, sessions he tells me to. Forget seems
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: to work on two.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Levels.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: Here The Big guy tells me that not remembering is
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: strictly for my. Benefit he also says that at the proper,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: TIME i will remember. Everything later in. Life bill will
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: question this, explanation but at the time he just listened
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: to what The Big guy told. Him The gray asked,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: him how is your life. Going bill was not convinced
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: that the gray had any real interest in how his
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: life was, Going but The gray got up and Told
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: bill to wait that he had to get. Something moments,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: later he returned with the small metal examination box about
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: eight inches long three inches, wide again with a small
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: ball shape on the top of, it and As bill,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: says it seems to radiate some kind of. Energy he
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: runs this box up and down my, body not touching,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: it from my knees to my head and then back.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Again as he looks at the front of the. MACHINE
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: i can feel some form of current or electrical energy
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: touching my. Body there must be some kind of readout
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: that he is looking. At he seems very pleased with
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: the readings or whatever response he is getting from the.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Machine he turns it off and sets it. Aside, now
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: he tells, me we are going to talk about a
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of things THAT i will not. Understand what
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: now followed was A q and a. Session bill asked
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: where they go when he is taken, and As bill,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: says The Big guy says that when they picked me,
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: up the time that passes for me is only relative to.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Me it can be any amount of TIME i want
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: it to. Be time is not relative to, Them he.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Says he does not expect me to understand, that but
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: it is a fact that they are not affected by.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Time in my, world it would be suspended in, time
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: so it wouldn't matter where we are Physically. Bill bill then,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: asked if we are outside the gravity Of, earth why
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: do we have gravity here aboard this. Ship The Big
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: guy seemed to be amused by this, question and As bill,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: says that's the closest THING i have ever seen to
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: a laugh inside a brain. Before APPARENTLY i said something
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: very funny to. Him he doesn't bother to answer the.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Question The gray then Instructed bill to look at the
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: wall and showed him a series of high speed. Images once,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: again he saw strange, symbols, starfields star, maps all kinds of.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Stuff As bill, says it was just like watching a
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of movie clips going by me at fast forward.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: Speed they all just run together in a. Jumble the
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: big guy seems very pleased THAT i absorbed all. THAT
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: i THINK i absorbed. NOTHING i was just shocked to
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: see all that run by me on that wall that
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: turned into a. Screen that was amazing to. Me so
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: this encounter proved to be pivotal Because bill finally understood the,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: messages instructions and lessons The grays were hoping that he
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: would eventually be able to, grasp which were apparently the
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: ultimate reason for his being. Contacted As bill, says my
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: job is to share my senses, taste, touch, feel, smell,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: texture and. Fear my job is to relate how my
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: thought processes. Work that took so long with. Me this
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: would facilitate teaching them better paths to teaching humans what
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: they want them to. Learn it's apparently WHAT i agreed
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: to all. Along So bill now told the big, guy you,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Know i'm getting pretty. Old The gray again seemed amused
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: and said that he himself was about four hundred years
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: old in earth. Years bill then, asked do you have
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: any idea When i'm going to? Die The gray's reply
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: was it doesn't. Matter once, Again bill was not really
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: happy with that. Reply As bill, says what kind of
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: answer is? That that answer really scared. Me SOMETIMES i
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: feel Like batman talking to The. RIDDLER i asked a
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: very serious question AND i get a very childish. REPLY
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: i really get fed up with them at. Times it
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: feels pointless to ask. Questions feels like they are making
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: fun of.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Me so the.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Visit was, Over bill was floated back to the hangar
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: area and dropped back down to the exact spot where
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: he was. Taken three years, later at age fifty, Two
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: bill had another informational. Session As bill, says we had
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: a long. Talk they are a little friendlier with me this.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: TIME i tell THEM i am happier, now BUT i
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: don't want to go with. Them we returned to the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: pictures once. Again this TIME i get. It he knows
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: THAT i get. It my job is to share my.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Senses my job is to explain HOW i finally got
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: it so they can improve their. Teaching they tell me
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: that my degree of cooperation is very. Special the trade
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: off is more knowledge and a longer life for. Me
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: the next encounter was the one that occurred in nineteen
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: ninety six and was the only time That bill was
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: taken on board with other, people which were of course
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: his wife and their two Friends don And. Lois and
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: was this encounter that finally woke Up bill to his
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: secret life as A ufo CONTACT eee an incredibly detailed
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: encounter and Finally bill was able to get some. Answers
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: he still has a lot of questions about his. Contact
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: he still has a lot of mixed feelings about. It
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: he doesn't exactly feel like they are his, friends but
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: as he, says he also feels very close to these,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: ets so again a bit of a mixed bag. Firm
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: while he doesn't really enjoy his, encounters nor does he
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: think these ets are evil or out to hurt or harm.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: People so in this next, Segment bill describes some final
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: thoughts about how he feels about his own. ENCOUNTERS i
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: call this next segment final. Thoughts under, Hypnosis bill had
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: recalled being taken on board more than a dozen. Times
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: all of these incidents were buried in amnesia and only
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: came out under, hypnosis and the revelation of his secret
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: life was shattering and changed the Way bill felt about
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: his entire. Life, ultimately he was not really happy about.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: It he felt a lot of mixed, emotions anger and
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: fear and, frustration though with the same time, again he
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel that The eties are evil or intentionally trying
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: to cause harm or, fear and in, fact each time
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: he was with, them he felt a very special closeness to.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Them As bill, SAYS i feel LIKE i am back
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: with another secondary family of. Mine in, FACT i THINK
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: i like them better than my original, family if that's.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: Possible it's like having a double. LIFE i have to
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: ADMIT i did like. Them they felt more like family
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: to me than the FAMILY i was born. Into so
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: after learning all about his, Encounters bill began to wonder
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: about the idea of going to live with them. Forever
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: as a young man when he made this, agreement he
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: was having a very rough, childhood but now as an,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: adult he no longer felt the desire to go live
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: with The. Grays given the pattern of, encounters he expected
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: his next encounter to occur around two thousand and three
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: or two thousand and. Four he would be about sixty
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: two or sixty three years. Old but now that he
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: understood the reason for his, contacts he feared that The
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: ets would expect him to live up to his agreement
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: to go with, them and As bill, says the Big
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: guy told me it would not be my best interest
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: to resign from our deal BECAUSE i would have another
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: one hundred years added to my. LIFE i like these.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Guys they treat, Me, OKAY i just don't want to
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: go with them. NOW i know THAT i agreed all
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: the way. ALONG i even HOPED i could push up
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: the date and get the pictures, Earlier but now, NO
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: i just don't want to go with. Them, meanwhile Both
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: bill And peggy continued to have, encounters but they elected
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: to discontinue any further hypnosis. Sessions Despite bill's fear of
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: going to live with The, ets this did not. Happen,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately peggy's fibro mayalja did, return so apparently that cure
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: was not. Permanent, bill, however did discover that he had
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: a dramatic improvement in his, eyesight which he believes might
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: be related to HIS ufo, encounters and he also suddenly
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: found his ability to play piano to be dramatically. Improved
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: this was something he enjoyed. Immensely in two thousand and,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Five bill And Peggy foster wrote the Book The Black
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Triangle abduction along with their Therapist Nadine. Wheeler so there you.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Go those are the incredible on board ufhone encounters Of
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: bill And Peggy. Foster of, Course bill appears to be
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: the main target in this particular, case and his case
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: is so. Extensive in many, ways it's fairly. Typical, also
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: as you can, see there are some unique, elements and
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: he did get quite a few. Answers it was very
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: difficult for. Him you can tell he had a really
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: hard time with, this but ultimately he decided it was
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: important to come. Forward AND i think this is why
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: he put out this, book because he knows there are
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: many other people out there who are having these kinds
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: of experiences and are looking for. ANSWERS i had the
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: great honor to Interview bill. Directly it was about one
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: year after he published his book THAT i interviewed him
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: along with my sister in, Law Christine Kisara. Dennett So
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: i'd like to play that interview for you guys right.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Now it's a very rare. Interview he's only done a few,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: interviews and as far AS i, know this is the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: only one that's publicly. AVAILABLE i was going to Interview
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: bill again in two thousand and, nine but about one
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: week before he was due to be, ON i got
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: a call from his wife That bill had sadly passed.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Away so that, interview of, course never did. Occur but
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: what an honor to talk with this. Man he's a very, kind, intelligent,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: sincere honest, gentleman And i'm truly blessed THAT i was
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: able to have a conversation with. Him SO i hope
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: you've enjoyed this. Episode thank you very much for. LISTENING
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: i truly appreciate. It until next, time keep asking those hard,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: questions keep searching for the. Truth most important of, all
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: keep having. Fun AND i will now play the interview
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: With Bill. Foster, bill are you, There.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: I'm, Here great, evening.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Folks very Much bill for coming onto the. Show, hey my,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: pleasure your, Book The black triangle. Abduction you, Know i've
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: read a lot OF ufo books because you, Know i've
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: been researching it for about twenty years, now and your
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: book really affected. ME i, mean it was just so well.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: Written it really brought, YOU i, think through the whole
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: process of what it's like to have a sighting and
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: then a realized there was missing, time and then just
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: the whole process of recovering your. MEMORIES i, mean we thank.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: You it, actually you, know boils down to really breaking
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: into three parts there and you're, right was, deciding and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: then four years later is the missing, time and then
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: the therapy to recover, it you, know which is pretty.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: Intense right there happens if you're let me just read your.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Bio treaveryone knows a little bit about who you, are.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: Okay you've been in sales and marketing management for the
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: past thirty five, years working primarily for large corporations until
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: about eleven years. Ago you've written nine other not related
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: non fiction, books and are presently self. Employed that's, right.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: OKAY i, think as one person described, It i'm sort
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: of the everyman of very common of this type of.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Experience in other.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: Words there's nothing outstanding about. Me i'm just an ordinary
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: person that never realized that any of, this you, know
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: would actually come to fruition BECAUSE i never, was, frankly
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: all that interested in the, subject which seems like more
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: and more people are saying that same, thing but that
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: really was my.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: CASE i.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: Didn't really have an opinion.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: One way or another before all that. Started you never
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: SAW ufo before this one.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: Incident, well ACTUALLY i, Had, yeah SO i knew there were,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: sighting BUT i never thought about occupants or the grays
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: or any form of. BEINGS i, mean, obviously if you
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: see something in the, SKY i guess you'd, think, well
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: they have to be posited by, Somebody BUT i really
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: never gave it much.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Thought that's fascinating That i'll throughout your lefture having contact
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: and just you, know.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: It's like finding OUT i got a whole different, life
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: which is really in a way creepy and at the
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: same time ONCE i recognize you see IF i had
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: a second family THAT i didn't KNOW i, had which
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: is sound, strange BUT i guess only makes sense to me.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Before remember, Before so why don't you just lead us
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: through you know what happened on that amazing Night november. Sixteenth,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: yeah it was nineteen ninety. Six it was the.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: Fall we'd just gone to a party with two friends and,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: important AS i said in the, book you, know we don't, drink.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: Smoke take drugs or anything like.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: That matter of, fact he had to get back. Early
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: we left the party early because he had his own,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: business and he gets up at five thirty in the.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: Morning so we're headed. Home we think we see a
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: seven forty seven or seven twenty, seven very low in the.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Sky then as we're approaching it's in front of, us
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: we realize that it's less than one hundred feet off the.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: Ground it's just a tree top, level and we can
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: see on all sides of. It in other, words it
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: was kind of a moonless, night but you, know all
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: the stars were. Out there's no, clouds, right and so
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: we could look down one side and see that there
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: was something solid to the right but the restless, sky
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: and we could do the same thing on the other.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: Side that's how we determined it was a. Triangle in.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Retrospect you, know at the, TIME i would have given
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: anything for a flashlight BECAUSE i COULDN'T i couldn't see
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: up under. IT i, mean all we could, tell you,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: know how when you drive through a, tunnel you can
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: tell you have your you're under a something, heavy, right you.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: KNOW i started, feeling you get, well when this thing
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: came up to the front of the, car which is
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: what we thought it, did and then sort of vectored
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: off to the, side you get the feeling you were
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: in the presence of something extremely. Heavy we took a wild.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Guess it was probably about the size of a football.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: Field how, high how high up was? It, well it
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: just quitted the.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Tree, tops so they were pine. Trees so BECAUSE i
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: went back out there with a reporter of months, later
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: AND i wondered if there WERE tv antennas or stuff like,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: that towers you, know repeater towers for phone lines sticking,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: up but there was.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Nothing it was just.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: Trees so it was barely clearing the tree.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: Tops make no, sound no.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: Nothing we rolled all the windows.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Down there was no sound except for the.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: Corners they're sort of rounded. Corners but the corners on
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: the thing had a what NOW i would describe as
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: like A chinese, lantern you know how they sort of
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: glow from, within but they don't cast out any. Light,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: sure and it was pulsing on each corner And we
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: must have looked at it for five or six, minutes
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: rolled the windows back, up and proceeded to drive home and, said,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: OH i must have seen A. Ufo eventually we kept
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: quiet about, it some of those people that didn't want
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: to go, public like you just talked about in the.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Opening BUT i worked for a. NEWSPAPER i was an ad,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: director AND i told my editor about, it and six
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: months later she sort of tricked me into letting her
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: run the story Because George, falsett who Runs moufon In
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: North carolina where we, were had called asked if anybody
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: had any, sightings AND i knew enough to know That
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: moufon was a legitimate. Organization they weren't going to laugh at,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: me you, Know SO i filled out a report for,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: him and my editor, said, well now that you've gone,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: PUBLIC i can run the little. Story so she runs
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: a little. Story we had a weekly newspaper on ten thousand.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Readership it's no big. Deal and The Winston salem paper
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: called me. Up The journal From Winston salem ninety four thousand.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: CIRCULATIONS i thought they wanted to run a back page little.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: Story it ended up on the front page the Next
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: may AND i couldn't believe the number of phone. CALLS
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: i got some people who said they saw the.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: Same THING i.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: ASKED i gave all of Them MUFON's phone. Numbers nobody
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: would tell me their. Name nobody would give me their
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: number or Take moufon's. Number some of them hadn't told
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: their spouse about. It they just they seemed. Afraid they
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: didn't want to talk about it except to. Me AND
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: i must have gotten about fifty of those.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: Calls, wow, okay that was.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: Fun that's phase. One the whole thing.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: Died, well can we back up to a. Second, oh,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: sure when you found this giant triangular, craft none of
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: you found any fear or. Anything What at the, time
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: we didn't think we.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: DID i, mean we just said more that's. Amazing, well in,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: fact in, retrospect as we're driving, home we didn't even
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: talk about it that. Much we looked. Around there were
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: no side, roads so we couldn't follow. It we just, said,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: WELL i guess we've seen A ufo and sort of,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: chuckled and then we talked mostly about what great fun
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: we had that. Evening at the, party we dropped off our.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: Passengers it took another five minutes.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: To drop them. Off they were close to.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: Home took us about twenty five minutes to get home
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: because we left the. Party we had the sighting about.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: Eleven we left the. Party we'd get. Home we're dead.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: Tired we go to. BED i looked at the. Clock
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: it's two in the. MORNING i, said, oh, no, Wonder i'm.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: Tired we slept in the next. MORNING i was even
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: late for, work and so were the couple that were with.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: Us he was late for. Work his crew showed up
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: before he was even out of.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: Bed they get there about six in the. Morning so,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: anyway the whole thing dies down for almost four, years
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: and we had a Relevant Allen Carmen percy came up
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: to visit, us AND i didn't know he was A ufo.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 3: BUFF i just looked out the window and, said you,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: know it's a good night for looking for.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: UFOs or something like.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: That and he hadn't heard the, story SO i told,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: him and he started asking some strange. Questions, well actually
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: a good question that mufan never. ASKED i Think george missed.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: It he, said when you rolled the windows, down if
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: it Was, november wasn't it? COLD i, MEAN i, said,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: yeah it's close to freezing. Outside he, said, well did
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: you feel? Cold we said, no we didn't feel cold at.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: All.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Huh he, said.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: Did you know anything strange in the. Radio we didn't
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: have the radio, on so we have no.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Idea he, said you gave me the.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: Timeline you know you saw it at, eleven five minutes
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: to drop them, off twenty five minutes to get. Home he,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: said he went right to bed at two in the.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Morning what happened to the missing two? Hours and it
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: suddenly gave my wife AND i, Goosebumps AND i, said
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: what nobody ever asked. ME i never even thought.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: About it BECAUSE.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: I related just the WAY i told. You but there's
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: two hours missing, there?
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Right, No, no have have you heard of? This i'm
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: non missing time at this. Point, No, NO i had no.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: Idea NOW i, thought, OKAY i must have the time.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: WRONG i either got to bed at midnight because we,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: know we said we you, know the clock on the
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: car set eleventh, am so you know we knew we'd
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: seen it at, eleven AND i knew they were five
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: minutes home and us were another twenty five. Minutes and
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: SO i just decided THAT i got curious about the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: missing two hours and, COINCIDENTALLY i had gone to the
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: Hypnotherapist Nadine, wheeler And i'd gone there try and stop,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: smoking and she'd used hypnotherapy to have me stopped. Smoking
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: AND i, said well that. Worked and at the same
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: TIME i wrote To John mack Because i'd heard of,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: him and he recommended a bunch of hypnotherapists in my.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: Area but the catch was that we were all well
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: versed in abduction.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: Therapy well at this, TIME i mean you had considering
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: the fact that you were.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: Abducted, well, YEAH i mean that the thought struck, me
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: but my wife kept insisting that.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: You, know you're out of your. Mind that couldn't, happen you,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: know or we would have remembered. Something so when you
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: had that article published about your sighting and people, called,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: yeah were these do they say that their settings is
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: in the same area at the same, time, yes they. Were.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: YEAH i had at least eight other people who would
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: have made great. Witnesses but as you said at the,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: opening for everyone that comes, forward there's probably ten people
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: that won't open their mouths. Right and the surprising thing
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: is they they really.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: WORRIED i think most of.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: These people must have read something they really had a
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: hang up on the men in black, things you, know
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: all warning me that the government was going to come
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: after me and that sort of. Thing would have made
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: a better story if they, Had BUT i never was
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: aware of the government.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: Being bothered with. ME i don't think they even.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: So at that, point you. KNOW i the REASON i
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: didn't go with Somebody John mack recommended IS i, thought you,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: know if you go to a specialist in heart, disease
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: even if you don't have, it he's looking for something
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: and you, might you, know you might get led into
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: thinking you've got. Something SO i, SAID i want a
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: therapist who doesn't know a daring thing about the. Subject
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: So i'm, thinking, Well nadine doesn't know.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: Anything SO i asked. HER i, said what do you
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: think of.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: A you, know of UFOs and that sort of, thing
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: and she said she doesn't have any opinion at. ALL i, said,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: well then you're the perfect, person Because i'd like to
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: find out WHY i Think i'm missing two. Hours so
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: that's how it all started with, her and then we
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: went into two and a half years of extensive. Therapy right,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: NOW i o reotates the whole thing so THAT i
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: have a, record because, frankly AFTER i got out of every,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: SESSION i forgot ninety percent of what went. On and so,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: agree see, it, COME.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: I ask you, Something why why do you decided to
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: go under his? Notice so many people That i've talked
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: to who have had miffing times to, say you know,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: What i'm not interested in digging up this kind of.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: Rhyme oh, well that's my. Wife she's just a polar.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: OPPOSITE i have a. CURIOSITY i want to know EVERYTHING
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: i can know about what's going.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: On you, know all, right, Man i'm an.
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: Avid the only thing that makes me any even unique at,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 3: all is Is i'm just that.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Curious and you, know IF i had a missing, Time
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: i'd want to know.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: Exactly and so BECAUSE i thought she was going to tell,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: ME i. DIDN'T i saw the, clockwall you, know because
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: the first session she took me, BACK i, said ALL
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: i care about what time DID i go to? Bed
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: and oddly, enough AS i said in the, BOOK i
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: came up with four. Am, now my wife had no
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: desire because she saw what a MESS i was WHEN
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: i came back from the, therapist and dadinabowed never even
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: hypnotizing me. AGAIN i WAS i was just a fastest.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: Case but she didn't know what had happened first. Session
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: but WHEN i came, back told my, wife you know
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: that that, uh we were missing that, time and that
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: something happened AND i think we were. ABDUCTED i mean
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: she absolutely, said, well you're you're obviously out of your.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: Mind uh you.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: KNOW i need a GOOD i need a good, doctor
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: a good, psychiatrist and some medication to get me straightened.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: Out SO i convinced her to go in, there if
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: for nothing, else to prove THAT i was making all this.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: UFF i, said you, know if you don't have any,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: recollections then OBVIOUSLY i get a metal. Problem SO i
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: did talk into, that and that was her whole reason for.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: Going she was going to show me that nothing. Happened,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: well then she started remembering, too and these were separate.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: SESSIONS i wasn't in. On you were videotaping, them BUT
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: i wasn't, there and she remembered being. Obsessted then the
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: whole can of worms opened. Up but apparently that night
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: all four of us were abducted for at least two
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: hours our. Time and as you say about why WOULD
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: i want to know and why some people Don't my
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: wife has gotten to the point Where i'm about to
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: go back to making to some other things.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: That happened and get some more.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Inmotherapy but my wife.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: Is, through she's sent and she doesn't want to talk about.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: It oddly, enough this is a little off the. Subject
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: but two years AGO i wanted to See roswell in
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: The mexico right THAT ufo museum that's.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: There, Sure i've been.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: There, yeah well we only had two or three. Hours
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: and when we left the, MUSEUM i, said you, know
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: what did you? Think she, said, WELL i just it felt.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: CRAZY i didn't like. IT i, said, WOW i felt
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: LIKE i came. HOME i WISH i could have spent two.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: Weeks it was.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: Wonderful what a totally different. VIEWPOINT i, MEAN.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: I have a totally different, OUTLOOK i guess than she
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: does on this whole.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: Thing WHAT i find fascinating about your skifor is that
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: the moment that all of you saw the ship and
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: then when it, left the emotional impact that all of
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: you had after the experience was NOT i don't. KNOW
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: i found the lack of astounding astonishment kind of, unusual
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: you know What i'm saying.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: Now in, RETROSPECT i do, too and as a matter of,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: fact one of our, passengers the, lady she completely disavowed.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: It the next, day she was standing with the three
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: of us trying to convince us that we never saw.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: Anything AND i couldn't understand. THAT i mean talk about.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: DENIAL i, mean she went into immedia.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: Denial have they made any have they? Contact have been
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: since you've written the book and all? That well those,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: Books well the other couple that was in the car with, You,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: Yes AND i sent them a copy of the book
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: before it even got. Published And i'm never going to.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: RESPONSE i don't know. IF i, mean her husband.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: Wanted to talk about, it but but she just didn't
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: want to acknowledge it even.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: Happened, WELL i can't blame people, for you, know not
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: wanting to be able to.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: NO i, KNOW i mean SOMETIMES i can understand that
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: it would be easier if you didn't, know and you
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: could just pretend nothing ever. Happened And nadine explained to,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: me because she's got her degrees in this, thing that's
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: WHY i had to write a chapter on. Disassociation you
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: just separated from your mind so far that you can
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: finally convince yourself it never.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: Happened all. Right that's another THING i really liked about
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: your book Was nadine's input and exactly how the whole.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: Process, well, yeah that's WHY i wanted her to help write,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: it because those kind of. CHAPTERS i wasn't qualified to
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: delve into. That AND i have no, idea even having
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: spent two and a half, YEARS i have no idea
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: how hypnosis.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: WORK i, mean, really LIKE i thought it. Was you
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: really laid it on about how it's like one layer
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: at a time you until these, memories and, yeah how
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: difficult it was to access some of. Them it's. True and.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: WHAT i didn't realize THAT i had a lot of
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 3: implanted false memories really, really, yeah it's confusing that that
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: the grays will will tell you you aren't going to,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: remember and then we'll give you some form of false
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: memory so that if you do, remember you remember the wrong.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: Thing how did you manage to separate the two? Memories pardon?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: Me how did you manage to separate the real memory
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: from the false?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Memory?
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: WELL i never would, have But nadine had this. Technique she,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: said we're going to revisit whatever a day or a certain,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: time and she, said picture an onion in front of.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: You she, said NOW i.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: Want you to start peeling off the layers until you
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: get down to the. Truth and the first time THAT
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: i peeled the, onions WHEN i look at the, VIDEO
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: i got it down to the size of a. Garlic
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: and slowly every episode we do. This every time we,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: met she'd, say start peeling the, onion so you get
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: away the false layers and just get down to the.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: Truth and then FINALLY i wasn't peeling off as much
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: AS i, started but.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: Fascinating, yeah it's an interesting.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: TECHNIQUE i had no idea how to do. That nadine
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: had gotten to a Point that's why we went to
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: See John mack before he passed. On we gotten to
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: a point where she was out of ideas.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Of you, know how to delve any further.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: BECAUSE i BECAUSE i FEAR i was resisting things so,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: much and so we went to Visit john. Mac we
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: spent two hours with. Him he was a wonderful, guy
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: AND i told he because if one of the first
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: things he asked me to he, said do you like the?
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: GRACE i, mean since you've been dufted since, childhood you
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: started at age, five you must have some feeling FOR i, said, yeah,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 3: actually WHEN i get, abducted and it's like a flashback
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: to a family you knew you, had but you didn't
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: though they were. THERE i, SEE i, said, YEAH i
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: do find myself liking, them BUT i feel, guilty and that's.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: WHY i put it.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: There you, said, well you probably feel like a trader
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: of the human.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Race that's it. EXACTLY i feel like a trader BECAUSE
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: i like.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: Them.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: Huh but When i'm not with, them you, know ALL
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: i am is.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: Afraid, well they're kind of like a love hate. RELATIONSHIP
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: i mean sort, of. Okay would you say there's, Benevolent.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: WELL i don't know. Benevolent the only THING i determined
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: for certain is they're not doing any of this for our.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: Benefits, well would you stop having encounters the ability to
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: just cut them off and say never? Again would? You
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: IF i? Could, yeah oh, YEAH i would.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: Definitely IF i had controlled, YEAH i would.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: Have so it's not really gotten any benefits out of
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: this relent THAT i know.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: Of there are a couple weird side effects that have
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: come out SINCE i put the book out THAT i
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: don't quite. UNDERSTAND i had to do an annual eye
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: checked AND i went to the, doctor and the nurse
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: called him and, said look at. THIS i don't know
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: why you're looking at my. Eyes he, said your distant
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: vision is better than it was three years. Ago Said
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: i've never seen that in, Anybody AND i, said, WELL
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: i don't know WHY i attribute that to the other.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: THING i played the.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: PIANO i studied piano for fourteen years of trying to
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: be a concert pianist WHEN i was a, kid BUT
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: i didn't have that much. Talent and getting, older Since
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: i'm sixty, FIVE i play a lot for retirement complex
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: as a, hobby AND i noticed up until three or
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: four years ago that my eyes would travel on the
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: music faster than my. Fingers and, now for some, reason.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: My plane is getting.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: BETTER i can catch, up SO i got better. Forward
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: you've had such.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: A long relationship with the, extraterrestrials And i'm curious that
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: you ever developed a particular relationship with one particular bangor.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: Well it was always the same big. GUY i called
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: him the big guy because he was taller than the other.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: GRAYS i mean he probably five five and a half
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: feet versus four, footers and he was always in. Charge
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: my wife called him the doctor WHICH i thought was
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: strange because she taught of him like a. Doctor he
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: was always there every TIME i was, abducted SO i
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: had the same. Individual and the only meaningful exchange THAT
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: i can remember we had where REALLY i had any,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: input was at age forty, FOUR i had a heart.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: Attack it was caused by, stress and SO i had
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: angioplasts opened them the. Blockage, ANYWAY i was abducted subsequently
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: a couple of years after, that and he asked me
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: what happened to my? Heart SO i tried to, explain you,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: know stress THAT i had a heart, attack AND i
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: remember he kept saying that shouldn't have. Happened, well, NO
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: i understand it, stress and he just he could not
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: get a grasp of. Stress it seems they are lacking in.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 3: Emotions they don't understand emotions at, all all.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: Right that comes across from with a lot of the
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: cases people i've interviewed. Press, yeah it's you, know joy.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: Fear fear that airs a. Dandy they don't have it any.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: Idea what fear is is the.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: Same thing from when you were a.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: Child oh, yes, Yeah.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: Oh that's really.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Interesting, yeah it's the same big, guy and the other
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: thing is you would, think because all grays look, alike
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: how in the world WOULD i differentiate, between you, know
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: one and? Another yet it's odd you, DO i do
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: recognize the, same the, same being that he'd been there all.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: ALONG i mean every TIME i was.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: Abducted we're now at about eleven or twelve times so
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: in my lifetime so. Far that's another THING i Asked John.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: NACA i, said when does this?
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: End you? KNOW i, Mean i'm.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: Getting along in the two he, said cradle to. Grave
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: that's why you really go all the way and uncovering
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: what happened to. YOU a lot of abduction books are
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: really not. Satisfying there's no real. Conclusion not THAT i,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: MEAN i know these exchanges are, ongoing but you've really
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: uncovered a great. Deal, WELL i tried to BECAUSE i
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: kept Badgering. Nadine well here, again you're talking about you,
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: know why do you want to? Know And i'm curious
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: And i'm also, Impatient and she, said AND i finally understood.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: It she, said you can't be aware of this all
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: at once because it would literally blow your. Mind You're you're,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: said the reason that you can't remember is because your
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: conscious mind can't handle the. Information, well have you ever
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: consciously seen one of these graves in the concious?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: State? No, never not.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: CONSCIOUSLY i mean now THAT i recall the, EPISODES i
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: MEAN i know WHERE i, was AND i know THAT
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: i THAT i did see them, consciously EXCEPT i can't.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: Remember so, BASICALLY i, mean you write in your book
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: there's a patterns here and, contents you get a short
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: exam and a long exam and information. Session, yeah that
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: part seems to be a.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: Pattern and Then nadine decided that there's also a space
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: pattern of about seven years in between each.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: Encounter oh.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: Wow AND i hadn't thought about, that because WHEN i
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: rattled off in all the AGES i was, adjusted she
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: came up with this seven year space. Pattern and so
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: it does seem it's about every seven years, now the interesting.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: Thing and my wife hasn't wanted to draw.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: And delve into.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: It but we had our daughter stayed overnight with, us
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: AND i don't know when it happened Last, may but
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: they want me to go To nadine and get adnatized
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: again because they think something happened Last, may AND i
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: have absolutely no knowledge of.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: IT i, Mean i'm completely. Blank they want you to
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: go but they don't want to go to, them.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: Tous, no they want me to go because they think
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: something happened to, me BUT i don't remember. Anything SO i, said,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: well this would be a good blind test because they're
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: not Telling nadine either until after she comes up with
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: something or, nothing you, know whichever it, is.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 5: Right it Didn't nadine see them when.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: She was a, Child, No, no she cited.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: One she said she saw a traditional flying, saucer you
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: know about the silver objects in the sky type, thing
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: when she was about. Fourteen and other than, that she
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: said she had read some. Books she quit reading books
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: on the subject all during our two and a half
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: years because she didn't want to contaminate her. Mind but
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: she said prior to, that she'd read a few books
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: on the, subject but they were absolutely boring because they're all,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: similar you, know they all the abduction. Stories that's that's
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: what fascinates me about.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: This you, know if if people.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: Were making all this, uff you would think they're throwing
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: some pink. Elephants something really exciting when you when you
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 3: boil down the story of abduction and these couple hours
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: and the, graves they're all when you have them, together
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: they're all pretty.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: Mundane it'specially his strong. Kattern, yeah.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: Exactly it's nobody comes out with, with, uh you, know
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: anything really really. Wild it's it's usually pretty.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: Humdrums we'll take us through. EXACTLY i, mean what you
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: fully remembered on that night of what you were taken
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: on order of trying to attract what.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: Happened, well WHEN i look back on, it and when
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: we were doing one of our, Sessions i'd slowed the
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: car down AND i kept my foot off the gas
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: because we kept looking ahead and, up you know whatever
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: this thing, was because, we like, said first thought it
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: was a. Plane apparently we slowed down to.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: A, stop WHICH i had not remembered.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: Before and the odd thing about, hypnosis she, said, well
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: there's the.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: Crap you, know where's the? Craft AND i, said it's
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: right over. Us BUT i can't see very well because
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: it's all black up. THERE i CAN'T i can't see.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: Anything here's the interesting thing about. Hypnosis she, said you
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: know the remote CONTROL i gave you was an imaginary
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: thing on your. Hand all men like remote. Controls she,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: said you can move sideways and. UP i, SAID i. Can't, said,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: yeah you can take a different angle and look at,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: it AND i, said, well look at. THAT i moved
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: over to the side and. UP i, said my, god
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: the car looks like a matchbox. Toy we're underneath this massive,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: THING i. SAID i kept looking in the rearview mirror
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: and looking for. Cars you, know there was no on the.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: HIGHWAY i still find that odd eleven o'clock at, night
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: sort of a major back, road but no. Cars AND
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: i kept looking. IT i, Figured i'm slowed down so
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: much a car hit. Me and THEN i started, laughing
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: And nabe and, said what's so, FUNNY i, Said i'm
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: looking for cars going to hit me and we aren't
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: even on the. Road said WHERE I i, Said, well
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: there's a beam of light came. On it's really, bright
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: and it's lifting the car up and. Sideways at the
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: same time we're moving off to the. Left says, well
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: where are you? GOING i, SAID i don't, know we're.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: Going the whole car is going, up and the next
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: THING i, know we're on this. Floor the car shut
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: off in mid. CYCLE i found that really. Amazing the
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: ENGINE i just remember going off just, stopped, died and
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: then the beam took us up and inside the. FLOOR
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: i still don't know how we got through the. Floor
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: the floor felt like a slab.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 2: Of concrete when we were in.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: There and then we were surrounded by what looked like
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: and there again through early. THERAPY i apparently didn't want
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: to see what they look. Like so WHEN i looked
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: at these, grays ALL i saw, was, well you'd normally
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 3: see a. FACE i saw a square white, patch like
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: Like i'd taken a posted note and stuck it.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: On each of their, faces looks like ON. Tv.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, YEAH i couldn't see. Anything and she, said why
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: can't you see? Them AND i, SAID i don't. Know
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: so she we went a little, deeper and she, said
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: tell me why you keep putting those white patches over their.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: FACE i, SAID i think it's to keep me afraid
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: of what they look. Like she, said, okay we're going
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: to count to ten and remove. Them so if she
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: counts a, ten, bango they all. Disappear AND i start,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: laughing and she, said what's so, Funny AND i, said
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: it looks like A hollywood. SET i, mean it's a typical,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: gray the kind you see on you, know on every
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: website in the. World they just looked like grace. Huh
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: AND i, said you, KNOW i was just surprised that
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: that's what they looked. Like and then we finally got
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: into the nuts and, bolts like you, said where we
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: were all floated out of the car in separate. DIRECTIONS
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: i was taken to an examination room And, peggy my,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: wife was taken to another. One and in, fact this
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 3: is About this was about two months into the Session.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: Peggy that's Where peggy finally realized that it must be,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 3: real because she remembered being on her back on a
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: table And nadine, said, no reach down and feel the.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: Top you said you wore a jacket to the party
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: with buttons on. It that feel your buttons and see
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: what they feel. Like and she's feeling, around, says, well
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: ALL i feel is. SOFT i don't feel any. Buttons,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: well it's because she was, naked same AS i, was
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: so she didn't have any clothes.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: ON i think it's the interesting that the two women
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: were really motivated to find out their, memories that both
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: the man you and and the other fellow we're interested
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 5: in recovering.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: Memory that's. TRUE i never, well maybe it's a gender,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: thing but, yeah you're.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: Right actually tell you went every step of the way through,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: therapy taking and screaming because.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: She really didn't want to do.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: It she even didn't even believe the videos when she saw.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: HERSELF i, mean and we Questioned nadine many, times believe,
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: me you'd rather think you're crazy Because Whitley strieber was.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: Right you, know there's there's there's pills you can take
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: if you're. Crazy there's no cure for, this.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Right, well it was there was a difficult fear of
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: BECAUSE i, mean she each time she went under, it
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: not that she would experience with physical.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: Pain, yeah my trigger was. Fear apparently the aliens know
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: what your trigger, is and my fear if they can't
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: keep me, AFRAID i don't. Remember, well hers is physical,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: pain and she'd gets physical pain in.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: Her arms and her.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: Leg you've ever come alut of your? Chair and that's another,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: Thing christie AND i sound so. Fascinating was you made
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: a deal with one of these the big, GUY i, Guess, oh,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: yeah so could you explain? That, well it appears.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: That way back WHEN i was twelve years, old that
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: we had some kind of agreement that IF i learned
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: all my lessons with whatever that. Meant these pictures THAT i,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: saw WHICH i never got to grasp of THAT i
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: could go with them and live with them. Permanently, Well
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: i'd had a kind of.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: A rough life up until. THEN i wasn't too, happy
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: AND i, said sounds like a good deal to.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: Me you, KNOW i wouldn't mind doing.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: That and then towards the END i finally got. IT
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: i had all the pictures, made since you, KNOW i
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: understood what they were talking.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: About at least of that.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: Degree AND i was supposed to go with him on
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: my sixty third birthday or sixty, second it depends on
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: which way you read.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: It so that was another. THING i went To.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: John knockabov and, said he, said what do you feel
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: like going with? HIM i, said no that you know
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: of anybody who?
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: Ever?
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: Did he, said, NO i know for a couple of,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: cases and one COUPLE i know who were taken on
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: board batht echis where are you? From and they, said
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: we're from a place you don't know about, yet typically. Evasive, yeah,
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: YEAH i think that was the most.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: FRUSTRATING i remember asking a million questions and EITHER i
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: would get answers like you would answer a, child OR.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: I get no answer at.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: All but, OKAY.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: I think the most fascinating to me was the QUESTION
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: i asked about physical size of the, vehicle because the
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: triangle looked bigger at times and smaller at, Times AND i,
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: said what size is this? Craft AND i remember him
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: saying it's whatever size we need it to, be and
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: seem kind of a muse THAT i even. Asked then
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: later thinking about, IT i, thought you, know if you,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: could if you could maneuver size in your, brain if
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: you could make something bigger or smaller at, will it
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: would be no different than than a native from The
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 3: jungles coming out, here you, know barely can make. Fire
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: and he sees we have. Electricity SO i asked you the,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: question how many watts does it take to turn on
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: a lamp versus a hair? Dryer we don't. Know we just, say,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: well whatever takes, right either the sixty one light goes
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: on or the hair dryer. WORKS i have no clue
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: how electricity. Works we've had it so long we just
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: take it for.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: Granted, wow these crafts changed, size And i've heard of
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: that in a few.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: Cases, yeah but THEN i guess it's common. That, then
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: as electricity as to, us we don't think anything about
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 3: how much voltage it takes to.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: Turn on a light.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: Bulb did you ever discover an agenda like their reasoning
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 5: for having a relationship with you for so? Long?
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: NO i, never you, KNOW i SUBSEQUENTLY i became a
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: voracious reader of this subject because you, know it's affected.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: Me it's sort of like if you never had, cancer
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: you don't get too interested in but if you get
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: a relative or a spouse or loved, one then you
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: start reading everything you can on the subject because it becomes.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: Personal SO i read a lot of, books AND, i you,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: know AND i WISH i were one of these people
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: that could tell you that they gave me some wonderful
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: message to give the world, about you, know saving the
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: earth or some such. Thing nothing like. THAT i, MEAN
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: i don't have any message out of this for. Anybody,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: well didn't you say they were really interested in your physical,
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: senses the sense of? Taste, well, yes on me. PERSONALLY
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: i mean that's what they claim they were looking. For
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: was they couldn't quite get a grasp. OF i think
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: the biggest one was. Fear they were trying to understand my.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: Fear. ANDY i don't know if they.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: Ever really got a grasp of, that but they, said,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: yeah they were trying to develop me for the sense of, touch, taste,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: smell that sort of, thing and that was their whole.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: Plan but even in, that that doesn't make a lot
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: of sense because you wouldn't need repeated contact over you,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: know a. Lifespan the only THING i can think of
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: is the reason they maintain contact is the same reason
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: you know we track an help or a deer and
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: tag them and you, know polar bears and watch how
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: they live and breathe and all that. Stuff you get
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: a better, cycle you, know a life cycle with some of.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: These, yeah that they never really revealed to you the
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: reason why they have a relationship with.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: You it's more like.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: Speculat, well only that that that they THAT i was
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 3: going to be able to use these things later on
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: to help.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: Them did this? Day it makes no?
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: Sense, Yeah i'm here there there wherever they. Are what
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: good is?
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: That? NO i mean, no you you were given some
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: limited degree of freedom on board the craft much.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: As long as you didn't. Touch, well, see is that
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: you being paralyzed versus not being Parib, Right, YEAH i had,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: THIS i Guess i've had it over my. LIFETIME i
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: find the one THING i can visualize. Perfectly is their,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: skin this gray, skin it's is a picture an alligator
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: handbag that was very. Soft it's it's like work. Leather
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: it's extremely minion little cracks and. Wrinkles AND i was
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: just fascinated by his. FACE i MEAN i kept wanting
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: to touch, it and as soon AS i touched, IT
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: i get. Zapped, well that's WHAT i call. IT i,
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: Mean i'd be completely paralyzed on the.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: TABLE i couldn't move. ANYTHING i could move my eyes
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: and a little bit of my. Head that's. It, no
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: they don't like being touched at, all and SO.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: I, COULD i, know and every Time i'd forget and
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: they'd let, me you, Know i'd have freedom to move
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: my arms or, whatever And i'd try and touch his,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 3: face and THEN i get paralyzed.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: Again.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: Huh SO i kept trying to tell.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: Them, Okay i'll try to remember not to touch, you
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: because the big guy would put his face down Within
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: i'd say three inches of. Mine the whole theory they've
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: GOTTA i kept nottic thing of looking into their. Eyes
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: their eyes are unbelievably. PEACEFUL i mean it's almost like
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: you're floating in the cloud when you look in their.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: Eyes they control you with this gaze of looking into their,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: eyes so they get real close to do, it and
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: then before that piecer or relaxation to get away from
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: the fear kicked in. THERE i was trying to reach
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: for the face, AGAIN i get frozen back on the.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: Table so how many prays would they were on board
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: back cracks that?
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: Way the ones we saw there were they didn't have
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 3: me count them around the, car AND i came up
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: with thirteen and three of the cars that took me,
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: away and.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: There were two that took my, wife and then DON'T
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  Speaker 2: i couldn't look behind me BECAUSE i was floating on my,
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  Speaker 2: Back SO i don't know how many took the other two.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: PASSENGERS i just KNOW i saw enough to know we're
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: going in different.
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  Speaker 5: Directions so you were in a room?
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: Alone, yeah the examination ROOM i was, IN i was totally.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: ALONE i.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: COULDN'T i remember wondering where my wife, was and she
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: was doing the same, thing wondering WHERE i. Was we
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: were apparently in separate rooms because we never saw each.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: Other the first TIME i saw again is that WHEN
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: i came back to the, CAR i was the last
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: person back to the.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: Car were there any towns or smells or what did
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: the room look. Like it would look like a big
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: if you took.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: If you took an aircraft carrier and put a bubble
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: over the.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: Top you, know like a.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: Roof, right that's that's the size that it seemed like
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: we were. In.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: Wow. Massive the silence was.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: Oppressive the other thing that's that's very. Strange there's no.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: Shadows the lighting is so. Diffused the lighting is coming
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: from everywhere and.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: Nowhere at the same.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: Time you could HOLD i remember holding my hand out
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: and there's no.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: Shadow.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: Huh the only way you achieved this in, photography BECAUSE
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: i used to photograph some faces and, things is when
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: you light from four, sides you, know to light up
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: the scene four you got good.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: Cameras so the floor was actually growing to.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: Then, no the floor was. Dark the floor was dark like.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: Slight but the entire room was very well, lit very.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: Bright but it's an even.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 4: White in the.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: Room the, doorways if you could call them, that very
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 3: hard to describe. It they're they're all, curved but it's
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 3: like it's like a piece of.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: Plastic there's no door like we know, doors just.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: An, opening just a curved. Opening and the hallways are
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: rounded at the, TOP i mean completely, oval BUT i
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: HAD i never got a chance to see anything but
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: one or.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: Two, WELL i THINK i saw three rooms. Total that's
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: ALL i ever got to. SEE i never had any
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: latitude that nobody offered me a tour of the ship or.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: Anything never never had any tick of.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: Car, no, NO i never never got the. TOUR i
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: have no clue how big that thing.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: Was did they use any kind of ideas instruments to
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 5: examine you?
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: With or over my?
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah Over my wife saw more instruments THAN i. Did
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: she she said there was like shelving on the, wall
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: and she saw a bunch of what looked like doctor's.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: Instruments that's how she ended up calling this one big.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: Fellow she saw a doctor because she saw these instruments
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: that were sitting shelving on the. WALL i do, remember
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: right after saying this, overall you, know bright, light WHEN
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: i was laying in the examination table above my, head.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: There was an intensely bright.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: LIGHT i, mean this one hurt my.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: EYES i had to shut my. Eyes it seemed to get.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: Closer but it's sort of like, saying if you look
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 3: in the light bulb and somebody moves it towards. You
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: how do you even know they move it towards. You
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: it's just it's so bright you can't tell what you're looking.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: At and that's the way it. Was they it may
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: have been moving closer or it just the intensity was so.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: BRIGHT i had to shut my. Eyes but there there
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: was that. Overhead and, yes they did have some. INSTRUMENTS
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: i mean they straightened my leg with a thing that
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: looked like a long.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: Statuelus they took some samples from one of my.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: Fingernails and of course the worst was back WHEN i
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: was twelve years, old and they stuck that thing up my,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: nose right in the middle of my. Head SO i
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: got that implant up, there which, apparently because it's between
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: both halves of the, brain according To, nadine it won't
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: be able to come out Until i'm.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: Dead.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: Oh oddly, enough my wife has an implant in her,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: elbow in her left, elbow causing her a lot of.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: Problems but he had had all them poma, removed and
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: we were waiting for her to check the scar tissue
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: and the doctor going one doctor and another. Specialist they
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: gave us the medical record And i'm looking through the.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: Operation it says that the x ray showed a small
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: foreign object next to the. Bone SO i said to the,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: doctor what's a foreign? Object he, Said i'm sure it's.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: Not it's just foreign.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: Object is that on the inside of the elbow or the?
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: Outside the? Inside? Really you, know my brother had the same,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: Thing christie's.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: Husband, Really, yes, see we had it x ray by
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 5: a friend of. Ours, yeah and it came up as
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 5: an organic. Substance it didn't come up as something metallic or.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: Glass, well the interesting thing is that within three months
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: my wife is going to have an operation on that
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: elbow because they keep calling it scar. Tissue but it
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: hurts all the way down into her. Fingers so she
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: wants me to going to remove. It AND i told
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 3: her we both. Agreed we want the foreign. Object whatever's,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: there we want. It, so like you, said maybe it's
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: maybe it's a vegetable. Material but on the other, hand
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 3: the implant would almost have to be something what's the right,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: word something non foreign to, us or it wouldn't it
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: wouldn't attach to the. Body we'd reject.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: It, well that's what was so interesting about my husband's
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 5: implant was that usually if you have like a sliver
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: or some kind of substance that's. Organic it will decay in.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 5: Time that this has been with him for years and
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: so far it has. Changed it used to be long.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 5: Shaft it was a long, shaft and well it's about
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: an inch, LONG i, believe and very, thin like not
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: as thin as a, tooth, thick a little bit. Thicker
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 5: and it wasn't inside the elbow that it's placed, like,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 5: right how CAN i explain? It it's placed above the
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 5: elbow in the, backable and it's, sideways it's not up and. Down.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah still there's one QUESTION i have to get. Out
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: church is a very weird thing that happened on that.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: Night he said there was WIDESPREAD.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: Radi, oh, yeah that's another thing we couldn't put in the.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: BOOK i, mean we didn't have the. Space so it's
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 3: on the, website the letter from The sheriff's. Department the
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 3: season make this sass after the first initial thing hit
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: it and a hard copy was going to come out
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: and do a series and so, forth AND i got
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: all this publicity in all these, newspapers like twenty eight
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: newspapers carried the story and twisted it all. Around, ANYWAY
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: i got an anonymous envelope from one didn't have a
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: return address and came to our street, address which is
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: rather strange for the. Newspaper we have A po box,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: anyway to my, ATTENTION i opened it. Up there's a
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: letter from what appears to be Authentic Sheriff's department inner
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: office memo stating that they never found an explanation for
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: the radio blackout from ten pm the night of our
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: sighting until two. Waym but they've checked out all the
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: radios and they functioned. Perfectly there were Fourteen sheriff's officers.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: Cars oh, man they were out.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: Of radio contact for that period of. Time it was four.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: Hours.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: Huh the reason they wouldn't want the public to know
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: is because you'd kind of lose faith in The sheriff's
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: department if you think their radios go out and you
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: can't even contact.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 4: Them.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: Wow but that was the time of deciding that some
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: people had before. That apparently the triangle was in that
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: area for that four hour period and that's WHY i.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: Blacked out all their. Radios that's. Crazy did you see
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: other people on board the craft defense before of?
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: YOU i saw my wife saw about six other humans
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: wherever they took her on a table. NAKED i saw
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: three or. Four there was a quick glimpse BECAUSE i
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: was going down the. HALLWAY i looked to my left
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: through this oval doorway and it was a big room
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: with about ten tables, there and there were three or
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: four people lying, there looked like they were.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: Asleep there are probably like a dozen people in fifty
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: grades or more and that.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 4: Ship.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah and what.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 5: Was the area that this uptraid, in.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: Oh where we were.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: Abducted, yes it was. Near it was In North, carolina
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: outside Of Winston, salem very close to the town Called
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: yadkinsville into The highway six o one outside Of there's
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 3: just a lot of little back roads, there But yadkinsville
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: is about is northeast Of Winston salem by about thirty
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: five miles something like.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: That so you're still. Interesting, yeah you're still having encounters
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: more that you haven't written about in the. Book.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah ONE i remember from nine months. AGO i don't
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: remember the. Encounter the odd thing, WAS i went to
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: take a shower The monday, morning and all of a,
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 3: SUDDEN i thought pain on my left, foot AND i
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 3: looked down and so have a. Shower i've got six
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: cuts half way around my, ankle all parallel within the
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: half inch of each. Other looked like laser cuts on my.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: Foot they didn't bleed one around on the top of the,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: other just, one, two, three, four, five six rows of.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: Them all the.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: Cuts are halfway around my, ankle and it took almost
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: a month for the star to go. AWAY i have
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: no clue what that's. About. It we haven't investigated that at.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: ALL i can't imagine that after a period of time
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: they wouldn't have learned all they needed to know about
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: all of. US i, mean we are pretty much alike
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: right as far as physiology. Goes nobody's that.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: Unique but apparently they've been studying this for a really long.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: Time, yeah not that it'll it'll be carried on through the. Family.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well John max said an interesting. Thing he said
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 3: that it does follow family. Lines that. See, unfortunately my
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: mother and father were dead by the TIME i remembered
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: any of, this SO i can't go back in my
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: family and find out if anybody else had accept. That
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: my grandmother on my father's, side AND i gave this
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 3: to The Roswell. Museum we kept a scrap book of
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: everything ABOUT UFOs WHEN i was a CHILD i didn't
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: even remember. This my grandmother helped me taste in the
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: newspaper articles from the little town Of, Salem, oregon WHERE
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: i was born and, raised and even, there The strap
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 3: books got about forty five different articles in there ABOUT,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: UFOs so my grandmother was interested in. Them BUT i
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: didn't remember that at all from my.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: Childhood.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 3: Huh that's, Interesting, yeah Because George fossett asked me to
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: give him the, book AND i, did and he forwarded
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: it to THE Ufo museum In, roswell and THEN i
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: asked them for copies, back so they sent me the
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: photocopies of all the articles from back in NINETEEN i
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: guess we had them from nineteen forty eight to fifty
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: three like. That, wow all the newspaper. Articles so for
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: a small town Like sale Of, OREGON i think we
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: had something like thirty thousand residents in that even though
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: it was the capital Of. Oregon that would be a
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: lot of sightings over that period of time for a
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: little town like. That, yeah back in those, days you
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: didn't get The New York times or you, know you
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: didn't have The internet to whip around.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 5: On, Well i'd say that's kind of a. Connection in
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 5: an indirect.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: Way, yeah and an indirect way it.
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: Is.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: YEAH i, mean now THAT i think back on, it
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 3: makes sense out of a lot of things that happened
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: in my. LIFE i, think for, instance that it never
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: dawned to me that when my, GRANDMOTHER i.
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Was raised on my, grandmother my mother and my, grandparents
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: as you, said my grandmother.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: PRIMARILY i was about twelve years old AND i used
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: to sleep walk a, lot and as you grow out of.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: It we thank you very much for joining us. Tonight,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: hey it's been my. Pleasure thank. You people can get
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: your book at a in this press dot, com in
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: this press dot com slash b T a takes you right. There, okay, great,
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: well thank you. Again WELL i enjoyed.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 3: IT i hope some people get the courage to come forward, now,
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 3: okay