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#2016 Is Your Job Bad For Your Health? - Dr. Lillian Nejad · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I'll get a team it to you project. It's doctor
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Speaker 1: Lillian and doctor Tiffany and Fatty Harps at typ Central.
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Speaker 1: We'll start with Doctor Tiffany. I haven't seen you for
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Speaker 1: nearly a week because I've been away. I've been away.
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Speaker 2: I had fear of missing out syndrome over in Queensland,
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Speaker 2: soaking up the rays and doing you amazing stuff, and
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Speaker 2: I was here going, oh, come on, what about me?
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Speaker 3: Come on?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well you know, we do what we can,
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Speaker 1: you know, just up there kind of connecting with the masses,
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Speaker 1: bit of corporate, bit of public, bit of sun, surf
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Speaker 1: and sand and yeah, it was nice.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, but I got
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Speaker 2: really excited. My phone rang, your name came up. I
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Speaker 2: was like, ah, he's thinking on me while he's away.
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Speaker 2: Next minute I pick it up and you're in the
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Speaker 2: middle of your thing. You're doing your thing, you're giving
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Speaker 2: your talk, and I'm like, he's just pocket diled me.
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Speaker 1: Hah, did I ask you in the middle of No,
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Speaker 1: I did not know that. And I will tell you
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Speaker 1: this is the the low light. Sorry, Doc will get
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Speaker 1: to you in one second, the only actual doc on
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Speaker 1: the call. The other the other thing that I did
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Speaker 1: was in my corporate gig. I didn't turn my phone off.
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Speaker 1: So I'm doing a one and a half hour closing
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Speaker 1: keynote for a national conference, and I'm the you know,
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Speaker 1: I'm sealing the deal I'm bringing at home. I'm in
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Speaker 1: the zone. I'm fucking I'm on fire. I've got everyone
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Speaker 1: in the palm of my hand. I'm just whipping them
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Speaker 1: into an emotional frenzy. And the phone rings my phone,
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Speaker 1: and that that is how to be completely unprofessional. You're welcome.
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Speaker 1: So there was that Hi doctor Lillian, Hello, how are you?
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Speaker 3: How are you? Tiffany and Craig.
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Speaker 1: I'm good. TIFF's TIFF's got a little nose out of
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Speaker 1: joint because she hasn't you know, has any contact for
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Speaker 1: a week. But she'll be fine. She'll be fine.
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Speaker 3: She has a point. I'm always behind. Yeah, I love
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Speaker 3: my favorite.
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Speaker 2: These are fast, my very favorite.
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Speaker 1: Do you know that there's something in it for me?
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Speaker 1: I need to go away and reflect because it's so
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Speaker 1: often that I'm the least popular person on my own show,
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Speaker 1: and that every everyone that comes in is like, I'm
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Speaker 1: so excited to fucking connect with Tiff. But it's like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I just it's like I'm a thilling between two bloody
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Speaker 1: virtual roses. I just happen to get in the way anyway.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I'm here interrupting your little get together, but
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Speaker 1: you'll have to put up with me because it's my show. Now, Doc,
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Speaker 1: I know you've had a lumpy, bumpy year and there's
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Speaker 1: been a few peaks and troughs because you're human. How
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Speaker 1: are you traveling today?
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Speaker 3: Today's good. Today's probably the first time I've been in
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Speaker 3: the house by myself for like two hours in five weeks. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Good.
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Speaker 1: A question, and has that has that solitude in that.
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Speaker 3: I actually am somebody who really loves my own company
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Speaker 3: and likes to be alone. I also really like being
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Speaker 3: with people. So I'm one of those, you know, like
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Speaker 3: I think I think they call him ambiverts now, like
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Speaker 3: introvert and extrovert at the same time. And I don't
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Speaker 3: get a lot of alone time since COVID, actually because
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Speaker 3: my husband started working from home and so he's pretty
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Speaker 3: much here all the time. And then uh sounds terrible,
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Speaker 3: like he's a great husband and there's there's really good
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Speaker 3: things about that, but for somebody who actually needs like
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Speaker 3: some like significant time by myself. I really don't get
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Speaker 3: what I used to get. And then my daughter had,
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Speaker 3: like I think I mentioned in the last show, she
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Speaker 3: broke her leg. So she actually can't go anywhere. She's
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Speaker 3: stuck at home. And today is the first day that
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Speaker 3: we are taking her to UNI because the UNI is
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Speaker 3: making her go to classes even though the doctor said
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Speaker 3: not to. But yeah, my husband took her today. So
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Speaker 3: that means that everyone's out of the house. So I'm
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Speaker 3: like I and I'm spending it with you guys.
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Speaker 1: Well, so not totally alone. You're kind of alone. You're
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Speaker 1: physically alone, but you're virtually connected. And that's what matters,
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Speaker 1: because you know, well, it's funny that you bring this
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Speaker 1: up and there's a there's a relationship between or there's
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Speaker 1: something I want to explore about. I wanted to talk
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Speaker 1: about work today. I want to talk about our relationship
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Speaker 1: with work. I've got a bunch of just because I
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Speaker 1: think about how lucky I am, fortunate, blessed, whatever. I
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Speaker 1: don't know that I have the work situation that I have,
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Speaker 1: or I'm in the I'm in the kind of the
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Speaker 1: paradigm that I am because I would be terrible in
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Speaker 1: most jobs. Not that I have a job. Really, I
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Speaker 1: kind of work for me. I produce income. I do
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Speaker 1: things that I like. There's not many things that I
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Speaker 1: do that I hate, almost nothing. So I feel very
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Speaker 1: fortunate that I don't like if I had to do
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Speaker 1: something closer to whatever normal means. But if I was
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Speaker 1: doing something that's more typical in terms of careers, I
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Speaker 1: would be way less happy. I know I would be.
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Speaker 1: So I'm very grateful that I am where I am.
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Speaker 1: And I was thinking before about you and also me
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Speaker 1: and also Tiff. None of us have a job in
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Speaker 1: inverted commas. Like none of us go all right, this
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Speaker 1: is the company that I work for. I get up,
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Speaker 1: I put on my frock or my suit or my
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Speaker 1: whatever I put on or both. What are you laughing at?
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Speaker 1: People wear frocks, put frocks in so I went to school.
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Speaker 1: My mum loves a good frock. Anyway, you put on
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Speaker 1: your frock or you put on your whatever, your budgy smugglers.
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Speaker 1: Maybe you're a fucking lifeguard. Who knows, But but you
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Speaker 1: go to work and then you clock in and do
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Speaker 1: your thing and clock off, And for a lot of
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Speaker 1: people that works, and that's for many people, that's the
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Speaker 1: best kind of operating system for me, definitely not, but
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Speaker 1: a couple of So today is work focused, but specifically
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the relationship that we have
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Speaker 1: with work, or our job or our career, whatever you
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Speaker 1: want to call it, whether or not you have a job,
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Speaker 1: or you work for yourself or your mow lawns, or
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Speaker 1: you're a judge in the bloody legal system or whatever
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Speaker 1: it is. But I want to talk about the psychological
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Speaker 1: and emotional impact of our job our career on us,
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Speaker 1: you know, because I think something that we don't think
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Speaker 1: about as a health determinant or a health variable is
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Speaker 1: the way that our work impacts everything from our brain
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Speaker 1: chemistry to our immune system, to our sleep, to our
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Speaker 1: appetite to our emotional state. I think it's almost the
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Speaker 1: least talked about health variable, Like we always talk about
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Speaker 1: all the other shit. But what impact does your job
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Speaker 1: have on you? Or your environment at work or the
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Speaker 1: people that you work with, or your boss who's a
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Speaker 1: prick or your boss who's fucking amazing, or the culture
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Speaker 1: that's toxic or the culture that's brilliant. Yeah, Like, there
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Speaker 1: are so many things, So let's go there. My first
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Speaker 1: question for you is, so a big part of your job,
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Speaker 1: not all of your job, but is sitting with people,
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Speaker 1: listening to them and helping them and supporting them through
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Speaker 1: whatever it is. How do you show up when you
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Speaker 1: feel like shit, Like when you're having a bad day
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Speaker 1: and you've got to sit with somebody, be that virtually
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Speaker 1: or physically, and you don't feel inspired, you don't feel happy,
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Speaker 1: you don't feel particularly sharp. How do you turn that
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Speaker 1: switch on? Or do you or don't you?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh that's I mean, And that's happened a lot
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Speaker 3: this year where I haven't felt like fully fully on
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Speaker 3: I think, or like in terms of in anticipation of
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Speaker 3: seeing someone, I think, I think there is a switch
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Speaker 3: that goes off when I'm in the room with someone.
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Speaker 3: There's like their energy gives me energy. They're like, I
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Speaker 3: don't know, Like I always I always think of my
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Speaker 3: clients as like really really courageous, you know, just like
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Speaker 3: to even come and talk to some you know, like
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Speaker 3: to someone that they don't know initially, and then to
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Speaker 3: keep trying and striving for a better life when they
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Speaker 3: have so many you know, things going on in there.
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Speaker 3: So when so I guess for me, it's very helpful
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Speaker 3: to have that part of my job, which is seeing
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Speaker 3: people one on one, sometimes in groups, but often one
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Speaker 3: on one, is very helpful when I'm not feeling good.
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Speaker 3: I think, you know, like they talk about contribution being
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Speaker 3: so important if you are feeling down or depressed, that
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Speaker 3: if you contribute to others in some way, that that
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Speaker 3: is one of the really most useful ways out of
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Speaker 3: that mood state. And I and that's what I experience.
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Speaker 3: I think, I think because I know I'm contributing, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and I can you know you feel it in the
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Speaker 3: room when you're with people, then yeah, it helps me
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Speaker 3: when things aren't going great on my side. So like
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Speaker 3: in the room, I think I'm good. Yeah, maybe before
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Speaker 3: like an hour before half an hour before I'm it
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Speaker 3: be like, oh, you know, I've got so many things,
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Speaker 3: or like somebody's just pissed me off, or like I'm
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Speaker 3: like running like behind and I'm like just rushing around
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Speaker 3: and stuff. But once I'm in there, it is like
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Speaker 3: a switch. I'm just with you.
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Speaker 1: What about and this is for both of you, Like
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Speaker 1: what about managing your like your mental and emotional energy
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Speaker 1: doing what you do. I used to and I'll preface
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Speaker 1: that with I used to have this conversation with my team,
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Speaker 1: my staff, and for those who are wondering who that is,
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Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of personal trainers. So one of the
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Speaker 1: things I used to say to my guys and girls
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Speaker 1: was figure out how many sessions you can do per
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Speaker 1: day and be amazing or be your best self? So
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Speaker 1: how many people can you coach per day and give
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Speaker 1: them ten out of ten you, not five out of
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Speaker 1: ten you and not? You know, like, can you do
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Speaker 1: four sessions a day where you are as best you
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Speaker 1: can be one hundred percent on You're focused, you're in
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Speaker 1: the zone, your energy is good, you're paying attention, you're
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Speaker 1: not distracted, you're not angry Tiffany and Cook because that
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Speaker 1: I call that your performance threshold. So trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out how much of this particular thing that you do
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Speaker 1: can you do at a high level, especially if your
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Speaker 1: job is being with another person and providing a one
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Speaker 1: on one service. Do you ever think about that or
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Speaker 1: something like that?
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Speaker 3: Yes, I do. I think ethically, if you're in a
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Speaker 3: helping profession, you should think about that because you want
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Speaker 3: to be giving the people who see you and are
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Speaker 3: paying you for a service the best possible service, especially
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Speaker 3: if it's a mental health service. So yes, I have
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Speaker 3: a limit. I have a hard limit of six people
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Speaker 3: in a day a day.
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Speaker 1: And what is that one hour? Six times one hour?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be my absolute limit. I don't think
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Speaker 3: that's my sweet spot, but I think I can give
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Speaker 3: people a really good service up to six people. Now,
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Speaker 3: of course, that's dependent on a whole range of factors.
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Speaker 3: So like if I'm having a very i don't know,
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Speaker 3: emotionally late in week, in my personal life or something else.
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Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of circumstances that are taking
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Speaker 3: up my time and energy, I won't book six people,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like that's like on a
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Speaker 3: you know, like when people say, like you drive the
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Speaker 3: speed limit when it's like sunny and there's like you know,
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Speaker 3: like there's no obstacles, and but if it's raining, then
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Speaker 3: you're supposed to go like a little under the speed limit.
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Speaker 3: It's like that. So I because I work for myself,
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Speaker 3: I can create the schedule that makes sense for me
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Speaker 3: week week to week, you know, and even day to day.
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Speaker 3: Like there have been times where I've sat where I've
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Speaker 3: had to cancel appointments. It doesn't happen often, but if
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Speaker 3: I really don't think I'm going to be there for somebody.
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Speaker 3: I don't want them to waste their time with me
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Speaker 3: when I'm not going to be that particularly helpful. So
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Speaker 3: I'll reschedule if I really feel like I can't do it.
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Speaker 3: But in general, six is okay. I prefer four or five,
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Speaker 3: just I think, like just for me, like I I
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Speaker 3: like that rhythm better, but I can do six well.
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Speaker 1: I think it depends. Like you said, Cookie, you're probably
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Speaker 1: the same. It depends on because some people take a
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Speaker 1: lot of effort and energy, Like one hour with one
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Speaker 1: person is like fucking exhausting, and sometimes you'll spend three
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Speaker 1: hours with three other people and it actually gives you energy.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: It's like you said, not all hours are the same,
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Speaker 1: not all people are the same, not all sessions, whether
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Speaker 1: it's coaching, psychology, personal training, you know, business coaching, you know,
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Speaker 1: doctors treating patients. It's like some people actually draining and
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Speaker 1: some people almost give you more or do give you
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Speaker 1: more energy. But yeah, I think trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: that relationship that you have, what about you tip, what's
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Speaker 1: your do you have like a kind of a number
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Speaker 1: or a philosophy around this.
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Speaker 2: It's funny because I was talking to it to a
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Speaker 2: friend about it yesterday, because now I do two big
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Speaker 2: days and then a couple of odd odd times with people,
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Speaker 2: and Sunday my biggest day now is my favorite. And
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Speaker 2: what I love about it is it's this time I'm
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Speaker 2: task switching is exhausting. So now I go I'm there
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Speaker 2: all day Sunday, back to about clients, love it, finish,
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Speaker 2: and then I go home, I have a little nap
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's the day done, and I feel
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Speaker 2: really good about it. I really love being there rather
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Speaker 2: than a couple of clients and then going to do
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Speaker 2: another task or a podcast or a different thing or
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Speaker 2: a different style of coaching. So I think the task switching.
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Speaker 2: But then I said to my friend, well, I say
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Speaker 2: this now I know that I do like change. So
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Speaker 2: in a few months I'll probably be like, you know what,
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Speaker 2: it'd be great just to do one client every day.
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Speaker 3: I actually, but I actually think you are doing different.
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Speaker 3: I mean you do have I think I do the
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Speaker 3: same thing as you at the moment, like I have
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Speaker 3: my client days are two days. And I think it
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Speaker 3: also is really energy saving for me, like mentally and
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Speaker 3: just practically because you are just focused on one kind
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Speaker 3: of service all day, and task switching can be exhausting
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Speaker 3: and very inefficient. And so if I know that I
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Speaker 3: have to focus on my clients on Tuesdays and Thursdays
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Speaker 3: and that's what I'm doing, then I don't worry about
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Speaker 3: if I get something else done on that day. That's
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Speaker 3: a bonus, but I don't have to do anything else
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Speaker 3: that day. That's my job on those days, and so
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Speaker 3: I feel very good and accomplished after those days. And yeah,
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Speaker 3: but I have the flexibility on the other days to
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Speaker 3: do whatever I want.
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Speaker 1: It's great when you work for yourself. And I'm being
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Speaker 1: a bit selfish here because a lot of our listeners
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Speaker 1: don't work for themselves, of course, but I like the
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Speaker 1: idea that you can kind of within reasons, say all right,
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Speaker 1: well what I'm going to do. I'm going to work
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Speaker 1: every day, or I'm going to be available to work
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Speaker 1: every day between six am and two pm. That's it,
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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not working after two Or you
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Speaker 1: might say I'm working Monday, Wednesday, Friday and that they're
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Speaker 1: the only days I'm working. So I've got four days
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Speaker 1: a week no work, three days a week work. And
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Speaker 1: I know this doesn't suit everybody, and it's not possible
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Speaker 1: for everybody. But I love the flexibility of being able
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Speaker 1: to choose how you work like. I like that I
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Speaker 1: can work at the cafe. I like that I can
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Speaker 1: work where I am right now in my office. I
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Speaker 1: like that I can go downstairs into my studio and work.
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Speaker 1: I like that I can travel into state and work.
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Speaker 1: I like that I can go You know what today
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Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm having a fuck all day. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to be lazy today. I'm not going to be productive,
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Speaker 1: and that's okay because tomorrow is about fourteen hours of mayhem.
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Speaker 1: So today I'm just going to store up my energy.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to eat some food. I'm going to watch
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Speaker 1: some Netflix. I'm going to walk at the beach. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to lift a few weights, and I'm going to
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Speaker 1: conserve myself because tomorrow's massive and being able to for me.
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Speaker 1: If I had to do a version of the same
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Speaker 1: thing the same way, even if it paid great for me,
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Speaker 1: that would not work. I could not do that. I
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Speaker 1: need variety, I need progress, I need different people. I
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Speaker 1: need even though it probably seems like I do a
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Speaker 1: lot of the same, there's still a lot of variety.
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Speaker 1: In my life. So I think I think for you know,
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Speaker 1: for a lot of people, that really matters. I was
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Speaker 1: going to ask you dark about something I don't think
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Speaker 1: people think about a lot is the environment that we
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Speaker 1: work in. And I don't just mean the like the
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Speaker 1: physical environment. I mean that but like right now, I
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Speaker 1: can look out my window and all I see is
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Speaker 1: wall to wall bamboo trees that are forty feet high.
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Speaker 1: So I like this environment. There's light coming through the window.
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Speaker 1: I've got bare feet, I've got carpet under my feet.
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Speaker 1: It's like I just like my I've got leather chairs
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Speaker 1: just over there, I've got whiteboards. Like I love the
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Speaker 1: environment that I work in. It works for my brain.
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Speaker 1: It's good for energy. Like when I come into this room,
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Speaker 1: I'm calmer, Like it affects my nervous system. And so
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Speaker 1: talk to us a little bit about the impact of environment,
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Speaker 1: like the work environment and being conscious of that one
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Speaker 1: way or the other, and maybe if you've got any
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Speaker 1: thoughts on that, I personally think kind of has a
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Speaker 1: big impact.
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Speaker 3: Potentially, Oh, it definitely has a big impact. And there's
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Speaker 3: lots of research to support that. Your working environment, not
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Speaker 3: just your physical work in my environment, but your psychosocial
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Speaker 3: environment has a major impact on your mental health and
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Speaker 3: well being, but also productivity performance, how you relate to others,
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Speaker 3: your ability to manage stress, be resilient, Like, all of
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Speaker 3: those things are factors. I don't know if you know.
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Speaker 3: But there's some new legislation coming through in Victoria that
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Speaker 3: is around businesses needing to protect psychosocial safeness psychosocial protect
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Speaker 3: people from psychosocial hazards in the workplace. And yeah, December first,
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Speaker 3: that's coming coming in and that applies to all businesses,
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Speaker 3: you know.
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Speaker 1: From what does that mean practically? Like, how do we
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Speaker 1: because what's going to affect someone soco socially in a
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Speaker 1: negative way will not affect the next person, So how
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Speaker 1: do we Yeah, cater to a million different personalities and
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Speaker 1: people and responses and variables knowing that, you know, like
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Speaker 1: I could have a conversation with Tiff and she laughs.
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Speaker 1: I could have the same conversation with someone else they
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Speaker 1: get offended. Yeah you know what I'm saying.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do. I think what they're I think with
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Speaker 3: the legislation's pointing to is not so much on the
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Speaker 3: on the level of individual differences, but on the level
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Speaker 3: of like systemic things that might be going on in
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Speaker 3: the workplace that would like for instance, abuse or bullying
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Speaker 3: or you know, like those kinds like things that you
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Speaker 3: know are or psychosocial hazards in the workplace and then
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Speaker 3: making sure that and you know, like for instance, in hospitality,
20:56
Speaker 3: you know there's there's some very clear psychosocial hazards and
20:59
Speaker 3: how hospitality they have to do with the customers and
21:03
Speaker 3: the demands of the job and the shift work and
21:06
Speaker 3: you know, all of those sorts of things, and they're
21:11
Speaker 3: pretty clear. So if you know, if you look into
21:16
Speaker 3: the research on it, you can kind of figure out
21:19
Speaker 3: what are the top five issues among hospitality workers. So
21:23
Speaker 3: for all businesses in that area, they would be looking at, well,
21:27
Speaker 3: how do we how do we minimize these hazards If
21:32
Speaker 3: you can't get because you can't necessarily get rid of
21:33
Speaker 3: them or eliminate them. You can't eliminate the customers to
21:37
Speaker 3: prevent them abusing you, right, but you can minimize through
21:43
Speaker 3: and they call them like control measures. So what control
21:45
Speaker 3: measures will you put in place to minimize these hazards
21:49
Speaker 3: to your staff members? And then the legislations also really
21:54
Speaker 3: about like consulting with your staff members so that you
21:59
Speaker 3: are not just looking at it from a top down perspective,
22:01
Speaker 3: but you're actually getting the information and you're consulting with
22:06
Speaker 3: the people on the ground and like what's actually happening
22:09
Speaker 3: so that your controls work because you need to consult
22:13
Speaker 3: with the people that you're trying to help. So I
22:16
Speaker 3: think in gen I think it's been in the legislation
22:19
Speaker 3: to protect people at work, but what's happened over the
22:24
Speaker 3: years is that business has paid more attention to protecting
22:28
Speaker 3: people's physical environment or like making that less hazardous, and
22:36
Speaker 3: haven't paid enough attention to psychosocial hazards. And what we've
22:41
Speaker 3: found over time is that mental health has gone down.
22:46
Speaker 3: It hasn't been addressed enough or adequately or effectively. There's
22:50
Speaker 3: been a lot of mental health claims and so the
22:55
Speaker 3: governments in each state have recognized that potentially they need
23:01
Speaker 3: legislation that just focuses on psychosocial So that's what they're doing.
23:05
Speaker 3: They've done it already in all the other states, and
23:08
Speaker 3: the legislation starts I think December first.
23:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find that an interesting area because it is
23:18
Speaker 1: it is. So there's two things that spring to mind
23:22
Speaker 1: for me when we're talking about you know, a psychosocial
23:26
Speaker 1: kind of environment and safety for people and feeling you know,
23:30
Speaker 1: feeling comfortable in environment. All of that. It's like the well,
23:32
Speaker 1: the funny thing is, in the same environment you find
23:35
Speaker 1: people that are real comfortable and someone else that's not comfortable,
23:37
Speaker 1: even exposed to the same stimuli. And then you go, so,
23:42
Speaker 1: you know, how do you like? There's the thing that's happening,
23:45
Speaker 1: and then there's the individual's response to the thing that's happening,
23:48
Speaker 1: or there's the situational circumstance or culture or environment right
23:53
Speaker 1: that everyone is exposed to. I'm not talking about individual
23:57
Speaker 1: things at the minute, but just these Oh we all
23:59
Speaker 1: work in this space and we all have these rules
24:02
Speaker 1: and we all whatever. But then you know, person to person,
24:08
Speaker 1: it whether or not we're more vulnerable, or whether or
24:12
Speaker 1: not we're less resilient, or we're more emotionally and or
24:16
Speaker 1: psychologically fragile than we used to be. I'm not sure,
24:20
Speaker 1: but it feels like we've never had more, you know,
24:26
Speaker 1: more challenges around mental health and I and in the
24:30
Speaker 1: middle of all of these and there's no judgment in this,
24:32
Speaker 1: there's curiosity. I wonder, Yes, we want to make this
24:36
Speaker 1: environment whatever as safe as we can, and we want it.
24:39
Speaker 1: Of course, we want a factor in how people are.
24:41
Speaker 1: But also is another idea to help people build resilience. Yes,
24:47
Speaker 1: is another idea to you know, so that I mean,
24:52
Speaker 1: without being rude, there are a lot of people who
24:55
Speaker 1: seem to be the same people always having a breakdown,
24:58
Speaker 1: some people right or always. And then that's not to
25:02
Speaker 1: say that it's their fault. I'm not saying that, but
25:05
Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, some people are in really fucking hard situations.
25:10
Speaker 1: And so there's two parts. Yes, let's look into the environment,
25:15
Speaker 1: the situation, and the circumstance the culture. Definitely let's try
25:19
Speaker 1: to manage that as we best we can. So I'm
25:21
Speaker 1: with you. But then on the other side of that,
25:25
Speaker 1: we want people to be strong and resilient because life
25:28
Speaker 1: doesn't give a fuck about your feelings, and life is
25:31
Speaker 1: hard and as you've spoken about off air to us,
25:33
Speaker 1: you've had an interesting and tough year, right, And so yeah,
25:37
Speaker 1: we want to protect people as best we can. Me
25:41
Speaker 1: as a coach, me as a person who works with
25:45
Speaker 1: people to try to help them be their best self
25:48
Speaker 1: or their best self, I'm really interested in how do
25:52
Speaker 1: I help you forget work situation, circumstance. How do I
25:56
Speaker 1: help you to become resilient? How do I help you
25:59
Speaker 1: to be good under pressure? How do I you know,
26:03
Speaker 1: so it doesn't need to be one or the other.
26:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it is. There's actually like a
26:09
Speaker 3: three pronged approach for workplace well being and one is protect,
26:15
Speaker 3: which we just talked about, but one is promote, so
26:17
Speaker 3: promote well mental health and wellbeing, and that would be
26:20
Speaker 3: through programs like you're talking about. I think a lot
26:23
Speaker 3: of businesses don't, and that the last there's three, So
26:27
Speaker 3: one is promote, one is protect, and one is respond.
26:30
Speaker 3: So promoting is really about that, Like you're talking about,
26:33
Speaker 3: like how do we lift the skills of people ensure
26:37
Speaker 3: that they're you know, you know, managing stress well, they're resilient,
26:43
Speaker 3: they know how to communicate well, you know, they've got
26:45
Speaker 3: these kind of skills on board. They're aware of like
26:48
Speaker 3: what the early warning signs are for mental health issues,
26:51
Speaker 3: you intervene early. All of that sort of stuff really important.
26:55
Speaker 3: I think a lot of businesses have or are people
26:59
Speaker 3: leaders of business owners and leaders and managers. They don't.
27:05
Speaker 3: They don't. There's so much out there in terms of
27:08
Speaker 3: what options in terms of like promoting well being and
27:12
Speaker 3: mental health that it's sometimes hard, it's overwhelming, it's hard
27:16
Speaker 3: to choose, it's hard to know what's the effective, it's
27:18
Speaker 3: hard to know what's evidence based. It's hard. It's hard
27:21
Speaker 3: to know what's going to engage their particular workforce. But
27:27
Speaker 3: the research is really robust around mental health initiatives being
27:37
Speaker 3: a really you know, having a really good return on investment.
27:41
Speaker 3: So I think the message is choose wise. Obviously, choose wisely,
27:46
Speaker 3: choose things that are you think are relevant for your
27:49
Speaker 3: workforce in terms of skilling people up. But choose something
27:55
Speaker 3: because choosing something isn't just going to help your you know,
27:59
Speaker 3: your team, when your staff feel better, but it's going
28:03
Speaker 3: to help them think better, it's going to help them
28:05
Speaker 3: do better, and that's going to be good for your business.
28:10
Speaker 3: So that's really important. And then the respond part is
28:12
Speaker 3: really important too. If you do have people on staff
28:15
Speaker 3: or a person on staff who isn't performing well or
28:21
Speaker 3: you know, as you said, is often you know, at
28:24
Speaker 3: the highest stress levels, or isn't coping or having interpersonal issues,
28:29
Speaker 3: you have to know how to respond to that effectively.
28:33
Speaker 3: And that doesn't mean as a manager or a business
28:36
Speaker 3: owner that you're the mental health professional all of a sudden,
28:40
Speaker 3: it's more of like, how do you have a conversation
28:42
Speaker 3: with someone that you can see is having issues and
28:45
Speaker 3: then have the the avenues for appropriate kind of responses
28:52
Speaker 3: to that. And that might be internal, it might be external.
28:55
Speaker 3: So yeah, I completely agree with you. You can't just
28:58
Speaker 3: focus on one thing. It's to be our three and
29:02
Speaker 3: that's a lot though. That's a lot for especially small,
29:06
Speaker 3: small and medium sized businesses to kind of manage. But
29:10
Speaker 3: they will have to and it's important too, and it's
29:15
Speaker 3: actually if they do, it will be good for their business.
29:19
Speaker 3: It won't detract from tho reasons.
29:21
Speaker 1: Do you know what I find really interesting the way
29:23
Speaker 1: that you know, obviously I'm old as fuck, but the
29:27
Speaker 1: way that our thinking around career has changed over the years.
29:32
Speaker 1: Like my dad got a job, you know, in seventeen
29:36
Speaker 1: forty two. You know, you get a job, and then
29:39
Speaker 1: you do the job, and your rock up to work
29:41
Speaker 1: and it's like, has he got a job. He's got
29:43
Speaker 1: a job. Oh, that's great, he's got a job. And
29:46
Speaker 1: then and then he got another job and they paid
29:48
Speaker 1: a bit more money in the other job, so he
29:50
Speaker 1: got a better job. And not that that's bad, of course,
29:54
Speaker 1: but like in the old days, it was like, well,
29:56
Speaker 1: you get a job, and you get a job because
29:59
Speaker 1: you get a job that pays money and there's security
30:01
Speaker 1: and there's money and then and not that that's the
30:05
Speaker 1: best model, and that's just how it was. Yeah, And
30:08
Speaker 1: the way that we think about work now and the
30:11
Speaker 1: way that we you know that all the different possibilities
30:16
Speaker 1: with producing income and working online and offline and technology
30:21
Speaker 1: and all of the variables that we have now and
30:23
Speaker 1: we can work you know, I know, I reckon. I
30:26
Speaker 1: know seven or eight people who now live in Bali
30:29
Speaker 1: ozsies who live in Ballein and work remotely and you know,
30:34
Speaker 1: and then most of them are going great. I've had
30:36
Speaker 1: one of them on this show. And you know, it's
30:39
Speaker 1: just such an interesting thing. The way that we work is.
30:44
Speaker 1: I don't think it's ever been changing as rapidly as
30:47
Speaker 1: it is in twenty twenty five. The possibilities for producing income,
30:54
Speaker 1: you know, our career, our job, like, it's never been
30:57
Speaker 1: more dynamic than now. Where everything from fucking only fans,
31:03
Speaker 1: you know, here's my whatever. Everyone I tried, it didn't
31:08
Speaker 1: work well? Who knew? Who knew that a big nose
31:11
Speaker 1: wouldn't pull the crowds. But anyway, you know, through through,
31:16
Speaker 1: you know through to Like I saw this lady the
31:18
Speaker 1: other day at down the beach and she was walking
31:21
Speaker 1: eight dogs and I went, how's that? And she's like,
31:25
Speaker 1: it's this is my dream job. And I said what.
31:28
Speaker 1: I don't know specifically what she did before, but I
31:32
Speaker 1: as in, I said, how long you've been doing that?
31:34
Speaker 1: She said like five years. It's built up and she goes,
31:36
Speaker 1: I'm booked out. I'm in undated. She goes, but and
31:39
Speaker 1: you could tell she loved what she's I'm like, isn't
31:41
Speaker 1: that weird? I don't know how much he makes, but
31:44
Speaker 1: I got the idea she does pretty well. And she's
31:47
Speaker 1: at the beach walking with eight dogs and she's a
31:48
Speaker 1: dog lover. Who knew that could be YouTube in eight years?
31:53
Speaker 1: Five years?
31:55
Speaker 2: One dog and a cat mate?
31:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, but isn't it weird the way that we can
32:02
Speaker 1: make like is us three talking on this thing that's
32:05
Speaker 1: called a podcast that trying to explain this, having a
32:08
Speaker 1: conversation in real time and looking at people and hearing
32:11
Speaker 1: people explain this fifty years ago, and then you know
32:15
Speaker 1: we're sponsored for it. You know, we make money. That's
32:19
Speaker 1: like this is a job, like right now we're producing income. Yeah,
32:23
Speaker 1: I'm so different.
32:24
Speaker 3: Now it is different. I'm for sure. The drivers for
32:28
Speaker 3: the generations before us were money and stability, like that's
32:33
Speaker 3: financial security, Like that's what it was. And now it's
32:38
Speaker 3: much more about quality of life and flexibility and more
32:44
Speaker 3: values aligned work. And because it's values aligned, you can
32:49
Speaker 3: go in so many different directions because people have different
32:52
Speaker 3: values and you know, different preferences and wants and likes
32:56
Speaker 3: and different lifestyles. So that's where you see that innovation
33:01
Speaker 3: and how people are working, and it's only going to
33:03
Speaker 3: get more and more so as I mean, who knows
33:06
Speaker 3: what's going to happen in the next ten years because
33:08
Speaker 3: the technological advances that we will see in the next
33:11
Speaker 3: ten years, I don't think we can even really anticipate.
33:15
Speaker 3: Really we can talk about it, but we don't really
33:19
Speaker 3: know how that's going to change everything. So it'll be
33:22
Speaker 3: really interesting, like for me to see how my kids fare.
33:27
Speaker 3: They're teenagers, so their career trajectory is going to be
33:33
Speaker 3: really different potentially. Potentially. Of course, there are still people
33:37
Speaker 3: who are driven by money and security and stability, and
33:41
Speaker 3: that's completely fine because that's their values might be that.
33:47
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's good to have the options that we
33:50
Speaker 3: have now. Like when I was growing up, you know,
33:53
Speaker 3: and this is like so many families that I talk to,
33:56
Speaker 3: you know, of the gen X generation, especially like people
34:01
Speaker 3: like migrants from other countries like moving to Australia or
34:04
Speaker 3: the US to you know, give their kids a better life.
34:08
Speaker 3: They the only options were lawyer, doctor, engineer. There were
34:13
Speaker 3: no other jobs. Those are the things that you can be.
34:17
Speaker 3: So now, you know, like with my kids, I'm like, oh,
34:22
Speaker 3: it's open, like whatever you want to do, you know,
34:25
Speaker 3: like find the things that you like, pursue those things,
34:28
Speaker 3: see if they you know, how they materialize into something
34:32
Speaker 3: that you want to do for work.
34:35
Speaker 1: It was when I decided I was going to be
34:39
Speaker 1: a personal trainer. There wasn't a whole lot of endorsement
34:43
Speaker 1: or support, Like nobody knew what that was. Yeah, my
34:47
Speaker 1: mom and dad were like worried. They would talk to
34:51
Speaker 1: me about you know, I mean this was nine and
34:53
Speaker 1: eighty six. I started working in gyms in nineteen eighty
34:56
Speaker 1: two when I was eighteen, and of course that wasn't
34:59
Speaker 1: the hard watermark success for them. And then I started
35:03
Speaker 1: doing this thing, which is one on one coaching with people,
35:06
Speaker 1: and that's not even a real industry. There's no qualification,
35:10
Speaker 1: there's no industry, there's no insurance, there's no regulation, it's
35:15
Speaker 1: not even a thing. It's definitely not going to work,
35:18
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, but I totally understand that. Yeah,
35:23
Speaker 1: you know, things are just things are just always evolving,
35:27
Speaker 1: and I think it's trying to figure out how to
35:29
Speaker 1: for me. I'm I'm not lazy, but I don't want
35:32
Speaker 1: to do stuff that I hate. I know, sometimes to
35:35
Speaker 1: get where I want to go, there'll be something that
35:37
Speaker 1: in the moment or on that day or that week
35:39
Speaker 1: or that month, or like even doing as you know,
35:41
Speaker 1: a PhD. The actual journey is not fun. But there
35:46
Speaker 1: is some fun. There's definitely growing and learning, but a
35:48
Speaker 1: lot of it is like, well, this is a thing
35:50
Speaker 1: that I have to do to get the outcome I want.
35:52
Speaker 1: And I get that, but as much as I can
35:55
Speaker 1: when it comes to my work, I want to live
35:58
Speaker 1: at the intersection of and fun and making a few
36:01
Speaker 1: dollars and learning some things and serving people. And how
36:06
Speaker 1: do I create this thing where I'm ticking all these
36:08
Speaker 1: boxes and making a few bucks and I think a
36:12
Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize that there's a lot more
36:16
Speaker 1: potential for them than settling for And I'm not saying
36:22
Speaker 1: who's settling or not, but I feel like a lot
36:24
Speaker 1: of people do settle. And I know it's not easy
36:27
Speaker 1: for everyone, but you know, people who basically do a
36:30
Speaker 1: job they don't love in an industry or an area
36:32
Speaker 1: they don't love, in an environment they don't love for
36:35
Speaker 1: twenty years but don't Yeah, I know, yeah, you know.
36:39
Speaker 3: I guess the flip side though, like you know, we're
36:43
Speaker 3: all in doing our own kind of stuff in different ways.
36:48
Speaker 3: There it is a lot. There's a lot going on
36:52
Speaker 3: behind the scenes to get to where like you are,
36:56
Speaker 3: Craig for instance, like to be able to make a
36:58
Speaker 3: buck from from having the life that you want, the
37:01
Speaker 3: fund the flexibility to serving people, which is I think
37:04
Speaker 3: what all three of us want to do and like
37:07
Speaker 3: to do. I think that there's a trade off sometimes,
37:12
Speaker 3: like yes, you have more freedom and flexibility to make
37:14
Speaker 3: your own choices, but it is sometimes hard to keep
37:18
Speaker 3: the boundaries with work clear. Because you're your own boss.
37:24
Speaker 3: You can see things to do, You're just going to
37:26
Speaker 3: do it, and that might be like do it until
37:28
Speaker 3: midnight or like do it over the weekend, or like
37:30
Speaker 3: whatever you want to do. There is stress associated, there's loneliness,
37:38
Speaker 3: like if you don't have a team around you, like
37:42
Speaker 3: working with you, and you're starting your own business. And
37:45
Speaker 3: because I came from working for hospitals and universities to
37:50
Speaker 3: doing my own thing, and I really missed the team
37:53
Speaker 3: atmosphere that I had. I loved the team that I
37:56
Speaker 3: worked with. I didn't leave because I didn't like what
37:58
Speaker 3: I was doing. I left because I wanted more freedom
38:01
Speaker 3: of flexibility. But with that came a lot of hard
38:05
Speaker 3: like a lot of learning, like steep learning curve, lots
38:09
Speaker 3: of different like hats I have to put on now
38:11
Speaker 3: that I don't have to put on before. So I
38:13
Speaker 3: so I do like if you are thinking about moving
38:16
Speaker 3: into your your own thing, like I don't want like
38:20
Speaker 3: rose colored glasses with that either. Like yeah, that you
38:23
Speaker 3: get some you know, you get to choose your own
38:25
Speaker 3: hours and things, but there's you're you're losing some stuff too,
38:29
Speaker 3: and you're also having to skill yourself up in ways
38:33
Speaker 3: that you might not be expecting. So yeah, I mean,
38:38
Speaker 3: I would just say I don't want people to be
38:41
Speaker 3: stuck in a job that they hate. Like, I don't
38:42
Speaker 3: think that that's necessary necessarily either. But if you do
38:48
Speaker 3: like your job, there's nothing I mean, there's that's I
38:52
Speaker 3: think it's great to work with, you know, organizations and teams,
38:56
Speaker 3: there's there is more secure already, there is more support
39:03
Speaker 3: sometimes when you're working within an organization or a business.
39:07
Speaker 3: I really liked. I really liked both.
39:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for a lot of people. I think
39:12
Speaker 1: for most people, doing what I do is would be
39:14
Speaker 1: a terrible idea. You know, I don't think so I'm
39:19
Speaker 1: not suggesting everybody if I say, I'm not suggesting everybody
39:24
Speaker 1: you know, jumps out of their job. But I think
39:26
Speaker 1: like if you're an environment or a situation or a
39:28
Speaker 1: career and a company and an organization that it ticks
39:32
Speaker 1: most of the boxes, then I wouldn't even think about it.
39:36
Speaker 1: But it's more, I mean, I do talk to it.
39:39
Speaker 1: Very few people sit down in front of me and go,
39:41
Speaker 1: I love my job, it's great, my boss, the culture
39:44
Speaker 1: is amazing. I really like what I'm doing. Those people
39:47
Speaker 1: don't come to me. I have the other people. There
39:51
Speaker 1: are very few people who come to me and say,
39:54
Speaker 1: you know, the organization's great, my boss is great. I
39:57
Speaker 1: get excited to go to work. I mean, those people exist,
39:59
Speaker 1: but they don't book in with me, right, and so yeah,
40:03
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. And I think also the
40:06
Speaker 1: truth is whether or not it's with diet or lifestyle
40:09
Speaker 1: or Korea. Different things work for different people. I just
40:13
Speaker 1: get a bit sad when I'm talking to someone who's really,
40:18
Speaker 1: you know, forty or fifty years old or older or
40:20
Speaker 1: younger or whatever, and they basically miserable, and they've been
40:23
Speaker 1: miserable for a long time. But I see them the
40:26
Speaker 1: potential to not be miserable, but they're too scared, so
40:31
Speaker 1: they'd rather stay in the two out of ten situation
40:34
Speaker 1: because it's familiar. Yes, And then you wake up and
40:37
Speaker 1: now it's two thousand and thirty and you're still doing
40:40
Speaker 1: the two out of ten because you're too scared to
40:43
Speaker 1: step into the unknown. Ah, But what if I get
40:46
Speaker 1: out of the two and it's a fucking one.
40:48
Speaker 4: Well, if you get out of the two and it's
40:51
Speaker 4: a nine. In the middle of stepping out of the two,
40:55
Speaker 4: you build courage and strength and resilience and understanding. And
40:59
Speaker 4: what if if you get fucking excited and what if
41:02
Speaker 4: it's awesome?
41:02
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, totally.
41:05
Speaker 1: There's so much of how you think and yeah, you've
41:08
Speaker 1: got to do. And I mean I had jobs. I
41:11
Speaker 1: had multiple jobs where I were, you know, from when
41:13
Speaker 1: I was eighteen to when I was twenty six. I
41:17
Speaker 1: had eight years of employers, you know, and I worked
41:20
Speaker 1: multiple jobs at a time. I always had at least
41:24
Speaker 1: two jobs, so I always had at least two bosses
41:27
Speaker 1: and employers. But I mean, you know, we spend so
41:31
Speaker 1: much of our life working. Yeah, whether and whether or
41:35
Speaker 1: not that's for someone else or ourselves, but imagine if
41:38
Speaker 1: you know, on some level you associated your job with
41:43
Speaker 1: joy and work and growth and happiness and fulfillment, not
41:47
Speaker 1: just obligation and security and money.
41:50
Speaker 3: Yes, totally agree, And that can look different for different people,
41:54
Speaker 3: whatever that ends up being. And I see people who
41:58
Speaker 3: are stuck as well, just like in a job that
42:02
Speaker 3: they don't like. They don't like the culture, they don't
42:04
Speaker 3: like the work. There's too many demands. They're getting burnt out,
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Speaker 3: and like you said, but they're not doing anything about it.
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Speaker 3: It's like you can do something about it, and then
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Speaker 3: you know, like one day they do and suddenly they're
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Speaker 3: in a new position and they're so much happier and
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Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, you know, congratulations for taking that step.
42:26
Speaker 3: But sometimes it can take people a really long time
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Speaker 3: to take those those steps.
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Speaker 1: Definitely, and it's scary, and that's okay, it's scary, you know,
42:36
Speaker 1: and I think that it comes back to me. It's
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Speaker 1: like in my ten week course that I do that
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Speaker 1: I'm not running one at the moment. My mentorship the
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Speaker 1: first week. The first week is called life design, and
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Speaker 1: we just talk about designing your life as in intentionally
42:54
Speaker 1: thinking about, oh, you know, think about if you are
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Speaker 1: going to build a house. You go, oh, well, would
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Speaker 1: this many bedrooms? Is many bathrooms? You design it. We
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Speaker 1: want these colors, we want these finishes, these fittings, these doors, this.
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Speaker 1: You know, you plan all this and you spend months,
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Speaker 1: maybe years, planning it, and then you execute it, and
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Speaker 1: then you build it. And then and then if you
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Speaker 1: say to someone, now, what's more important your life or
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Speaker 1: your house? They go, well, of course, my life is
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Speaker 1: more important than my house. And then I say, so,
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Speaker 1: how much time do you spend intentionally designing and constructing
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Speaker 1: and creating this life that you want to inhabit? Because
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Speaker 1: the most part is we don't. We kind of just
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Speaker 1: get up and do what we did yesterday, and then
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Speaker 1: we go, oh, fuck, now I'm fifty, you know, so
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Speaker 1: there's so and I've done it, and I'm not trying
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Speaker 1: to throw anyone under the bus. But it's very easy
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Speaker 1: when you're a human and because your life already has
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Speaker 1: energy and momentum, you know, to kind of fall out
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Speaker 1: of bed and step back into the momentum that is
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Speaker 1: your life that's not particularly rewarding, fulfilling or producing a
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Speaker 1: lot of joy or growth or stimulation. It is very
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Speaker 1: hard to interrupt that and to make hard decisions and
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Speaker 1: literally start to step out of the repetition and the
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Speaker 1: unconsciousness and go, right, I'm going to consciously and intentionally
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Speaker 1: and bravely change what's going on.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, a lot We mostly run on automatic thoughts
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Speaker 3: and behaviors and unless we intentionally say, hold on a second,
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Speaker 3: what am I actually thinking? What am I actually doing?
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Speaker 3: And is this what I'm wanting for myself? And yeah,
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Speaker 3: I think we're all three of us are in the
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Speaker 3: same business helping people build a life that they want
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Speaker 3: for themselves, or build a life worth living, and we
44:43
Speaker 3: all just do it in slightly different ways. But it's
44:47
Speaker 3: but yeah, anyone who's listening, who wants to make changes
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Speaker 3: in their lives. Like I think, I think we can
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Speaker 3: all say with some definitiveness that it is possible to
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Speaker 3: change your life for the better. But it takes it
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Speaker 3: just takes that courage and that effort to move forward.
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Speaker 1: If you had an alternate reality, In this alternate reality,
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Speaker 1: both of you, you could do any dream job and
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Speaker 1: you would be a success at it right or anything,
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Speaker 1: any field, any career, any role, and and you would
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Speaker 1: be great at it. So you're not You're not you, Tiff,
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Speaker 1: You're not well. You're not doing what you're doing. Tiff
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Speaker 1: and Lilian, you're not doing what you're doing. And there's
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Speaker 1: no there doesn't have to be any logic. It doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: You could say I want to be a fucking race
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Speaker 1: car driver or an astronaut, or I want to cure cancer,
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Speaker 1: But like, what is what is something that in an
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Speaker 1: alternate reality you would like to do as a job?
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Speaker 1: Tiff will start with you.
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Speaker 2: I just want to be better at doing me. I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't change what I'm doing, I don't think, but I
45:52
Speaker 2: would get where I want to go or be, or
45:58
Speaker 2: I would do it better, which would open up more
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Speaker 2: choices and probably take me in new directions. I would
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Speaker 2: not get stuck in cycles or I would not you know,
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Speaker 2: I would reach potential. So I think that, yeah, there's
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Speaker 2: nothing that I go, oh, I definitely do that. Maybe
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Speaker 2: that maybe no, maybe something with animals.
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Speaker 1: You'll be that lady at the beach, doc.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how long do you have, Craig. Honestly, like,
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Speaker 3: I'm I'm a person who there's somebody said tennis player.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you were going to say?
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Speaker 3: One of like five different things? Yes, I'm a multi
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Speaker 3: passionate person. I like a lot of things. So the
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Speaker 3: first thing that came to mind was professional athlete, not
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Speaker 3: necessarily tennis player. I like team sports too, Like that's
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Speaker 3: probably even more fun. But then I'm like, oh, would
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Speaker 3: be great to be like in the movie industry and
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Speaker 3: like create art that helps people and like reaches so
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Speaker 3: many people and there's such a creative process and again
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Speaker 3: working with the team as well, like with your skills. So,
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Speaker 3: I mean, there are so many things, too many things
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Speaker 3: to list. I want like five or five clones of
47:08
Speaker 3: me so I can actually do all the things that
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Speaker 3: I want.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's always good chatting with both of you. How
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Speaker 1: can people find you and connect with you, Doctor Lillian.
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Speaker 3: I have a look at doctor Lillian nja dot com.
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Speaker 3: That's the best place.
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Speaker 1: Hid yup, butter Cup.
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Speaker 2: If you holding up your pen so I am holding
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Speaker 2: up my listening to me, pin pray, Anthony, what would
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Speaker 2: you do in an alternately, thank you too?
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Speaker 3: Excellent question.
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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit like you. There's not both of you.
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Speaker 1: There's not a single thing like I. I would like
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Speaker 1: to do certain things, but not for the reason that
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Speaker 1: it seems like sometimes I wish I had have done medicine.
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Speaker 1: I think I would have made an okay doctor. But
47:52
Speaker 1: then I don't think no disrespect me sitting being a
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Speaker 1: GP forever. I would have loved that. I would have
47:57
Speaker 1: liked to have done medicine and then used that as
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Speaker 1: a player form to other stuff. I think I've got
48:03
Speaker 1: a few right, so get comfy. I think I would
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Speaker 1: have loved and hated being in the military, like I
48:15
Speaker 1: think that's such a It's really I'm a bit weird
48:19
Speaker 1: because I hate war, like I just wish there was
48:23
Speaker 1: no war, but there is. And I think defending people
48:27
Speaker 1: and protecting people and defending your company a country and
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Speaker 1: serving Although I hate war it sounds ridiculous, but I
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Speaker 1: think I might have been not a bad soldier.
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Speaker 3: With the routine and like the everyday like doing the
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Speaker 3: same thing every day have driven you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would have been all right when I was younger. Yeah,
48:46
Speaker 1: Like I'm very disciplined. If I want to do something.
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Speaker 1: If I don't want to do it, I'm dog with
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Speaker 1: three dicks. I'm fucking hopeless. But and probably the which
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Speaker 1: maybe will at won't surprise anyone. I would love to
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Speaker 1: be a stand up comic. I just am not brave enough,
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Speaker 1: like I Yeah, I just think I love laughing. I
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Speaker 1: love funny people. I love foshit. I love that, and
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Speaker 1: I you know, being able to be on stage where
49:12
Speaker 1: you can actually be inappropriate, you can say dumb shit,
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Speaker 1: you can be although these days it's a bit harder,
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Speaker 1: I guess, but like literally, your job is to make
49:23
Speaker 1: people laugh. That's the that's the job description. Stand up there,
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Speaker 1: be funny, tell stupid stories, great connection builder, Paul read
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Speaker 1: the room, make people laugh. Yeah, for me, that would be.
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Speaker 1: But I then think, like, whatever it is, I would
49:38
Speaker 1: like to be successful at it so then I could
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Speaker 1: do some good with it, you know, I'd like to
49:43
Speaker 1: be able to leverage off that, whatever that means. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: it's been real Tiff Doc, have a good afternoon.
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Speaker 3: Good to see guys. Thanks, bye bye