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Joran van der Sloot to reveal how Natalee Holloway died in court · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grease, are we on.
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  Speaker 2: The cusp of learning the truth about what happened to
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  Speaker 2: American beauty teen girl Natalie Holloway. Natalie Holloway and all
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  Speaker 2: a student set to head off to college and pre
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  Speaker 2: med her life cut short when she goes on a
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  Speaker 2: senior trip to Aruba, class sponsored. She's never seen alive again. Many,
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  Speaker 2: including myself, believe that she was murdered by a judge's.
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  Speaker 1: Son in Aruba.
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  Speaker 2: Yorn e Van der Sloot, It's such a long and
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  Speaker 2: sortied story Natalie Holloway except a ride, very uncharacteristic. I
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  Speaker 2: believe that she had been given a Ruthie in her
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  Speaker 2: drink at a casino that night in Aruba. We have
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  Speaker 2: now learned, after traveling to Aruba and investigating, that that
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  Speaker 2: was the modus operandi method of operation of the judge's son,
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  Speaker 2: Jorn vander Slute, to give tourist girls Ruthie's and then
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  Speaker 2: rape them. Long story short, I believe that's what happened
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  Speaker 2: to Natalie that night. She left very uncharacteristically, left her
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  Speaker 2: friends behind, gets in the car with this guy out
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  Speaker 2: of it. This girl was never seen again. Orn vander
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  Speaker 2: Slute holds the answers to her death, and now, after
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  Speaker 2: trying to bribe Natalie's mother by promising to tell the truth,
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  Speaker 2: he's facing federal charges for extortion and wire fraud. As
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  Speaker 2: part of a plea deal, he says he'll reveal what
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  Speaker 2: happened to Natalie. Is it true? I'm Nancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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  Speaker 2: on series six, sem one eleven. Listen to this.
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  Speaker 3: It looks like you're in.
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  Speaker 4: Vander Sloade's going to plead guilty in his federal extortion case.
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  Speaker 4: Core Record show. He has a plea and sentencing hearing
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  Speaker 4: set for Wednesday morning at the Federal courthouse in Birmingham.
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  Speaker 5: This is in the case where he allegedly told Natalie
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  Speaker 5: Holloway's parents that he would tell them where her body
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  Speaker 5: was in exchange for thousands of dollars.
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  Speaker 6: For the last eighteen years, Natalie Holloway's family and her
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  Speaker 6: community have endured the pain of the unknown. Now, family
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  Speaker 6: attorney John Kelly tells us you're Ron Vanderslote is revealing
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  Speaker 6: details about Holloway's death in Aruba. The confession is part
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  Speaker 6: of a plea bargain and a federal wirefraud case link
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  Speaker 6: to Holloway's disappearance.
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  Speaker 7: They're opity further, you know, investigation or search or anything
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  Speaker 7: like that.
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  Speaker 3: If that's what you're asking for Natalie's remains, What.
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  Speaker 2: Are we actually taking his words for it? I can't
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  Speaker 2: believe that's happening. So he tried to basically extort a
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  Speaker 2: grieving mother for thousands and thousands of dollars to tell
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  Speaker 2: her where now he's remains. We her, He gets the
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  Speaker 2: money and then lies, and now he's doing it again.
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  Speaker 2: He's getting a plea deal in exchange for telling us
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  Speaker 2: renale he's remains are Seriously, anybody's going to believe him?
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  Speaker 2: With me in All Star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we know Right now, you were just hearing our
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  Speaker 2: friends at WVTM. Now take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 2: at the Today Show.
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  Speaker 4: Joran vander Slouth will appear in an Alabama courtroom once
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  Speaker 4: again the prime suspect and not Onie Holloway's disappearance for years.
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  Speaker 4: Vanders Slute has never been charged with her murder, but
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  Speaker 4: he was extra douted to the US months ago, accused
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  Speaker 4: of attempting to extort the Holloway family. Vandersloot pleaded not guilty,
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  Speaker 4: but according to the Holloway family attorney, the court will
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  Speaker 4: consider a plea deal this week with the major contingency.
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  Speaker 7: It was conditioned upon mister vandersleuth through billing details of
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  Speaker 7: how Natalie died and our body was disposed.
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  Speaker 2: Of seriously, and we're gonna just give him a plea deal.
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  Speaker 2: Is it a sweet plea deal for another sack of lies?
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  Speaker 2: What a piece of crap. There's no other way to
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  Speaker 2: put it. He is leading everybody down the garden path
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  Speaker 2: with me an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 2: what we know. But first I'm going to go straight
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  Speaker 2: out to Carol Robinson, senior investigative reporter for Alalabama dot com. Carol,
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  Speaker 2: is somebody actually believing him?
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  Speaker 8: Nancy, I'm a little bit surprised by all of it, honestly. Again,
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  Speaker 8: you know, we know that this is the condition of
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  Speaker 8: the plea, but we don't know how you prove what
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  Speaker 8: he's told them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, okay. Cheryl McCollum joining me right
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  Speaker 2: now now, Director to Cold Case Research Institute, forensic expert.
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  Speaker 2: You can find her at Coldcasecrimes dot org and she's
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  Speaker 2: a star of the new podcast Zone seven. Cheryl, please
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  Speaker 2: just let me do a lightning round with you, if
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  Speaker 2: that's even possible. With Cheryl McCollum, this is yes. No,
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  Speaker 2: that's what that means. Yes, no answers, No, Cheryl. Isn't
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  Speaker 2: it true that you and I and Natalie's mother just
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  Speaker 2: got back from going to a room of where we
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  Speaker 2: almost got arrested? Yes, trying to find the truth. Isn't
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  Speaker 2: that true?
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  Speaker 7: Yes?
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely so, we're.
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  Speaker 2: Traveling across the world to try to find out what
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  Speaker 2: happened to n Aalie Holloway. And it's because your in
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  Speaker 2: Vanderschlut has never told the truth, nor has his father.
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  Speaker 2: The judge who I say, your in Vanderschlute gave him
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  Speaker 2: a heart attack and he died, but I think the
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  Speaker 2: judge his father was in on disposing of her body
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  Speaker 2: as well. The whole reason you and I had to
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  Speaker 2: go there is because we want an answer, is to
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  Speaker 2: try to help Beth the mother, and we couldn't get
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  Speaker 2: them because your Vanderslut has been lying since day.
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  Speaker 3: One, Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: Beth told us he had changed.
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  Speaker 2: I knew, I knew you could not do it. Yes, no,
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  Speaker 2: but that's okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: Beth told us there he had changed it, and.
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  Speaker 2: That was you running away while I was getting arrested.
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  Speaker 2: That was you nothing but elbows and tailhold. That's all
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  Speaker 2: I could see.
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  Speaker 9: Gosh, I was saving myself.
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  Speaker 7: Honey.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, somebody had to be the scribed. Somebody had to
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  Speaker 2: tell the world right why Nancy Grace was arrested? Go ahead?
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  Speaker 9: But she told us there he had changed his story
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  Speaker 9: like seventy times.
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  Speaker 2: Why wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait wait, actually seventy
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  Speaker 2: are you exaggerating?
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  Speaker 9: I'm exaggerating. But the point is she told us every
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  Speaker 9: single time.
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  Speaker 7: We know for a fact.
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  Speaker 9: In twenty sixteen, he says, she's buried in a house.
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  Speaker 9: Then she's with dog bones.
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  Speaker 2: What what house? Dog bones? Out to see? Wait? Wait
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  Speaker 2: wait wait? The fisher huts.
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  Speaker 9: Yep, sex traffic. You know, buried under the hotel. He
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  Speaker 9: had dropped d off of the hotel. He left her
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  Speaker 9: on the beach. I mean he changes his story every.
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  Speaker 2: Time he talked, left one out. I couldn't write that
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  Speaker 2: fast house with his dog was with dog bones, the
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  Speaker 2: fisherman hut, buried under the hotel out to see beach up?
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  Speaker 2: That was it? Sex traffic. All of these stories have
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  Speaker 2: come from your Vandersloep.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, go ahead, and we've all seen him confess multiple
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  Speaker 9: times on tape and then you know he extorts Beth.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the one when you said on the beach
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  Speaker 2: was the one where he was caught on tape and
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  Speaker 2: he was saying that she vomited and choked on her
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  Speaker 2: own vomit and died. Right, yeah, okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: So you know it's tomorrow morning going to be any
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  Speaker 9: big revelation for everybody, most probably not. He's never told
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  Speaker 9: the complete truth. He's thrown people under the bus, including
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  Speaker 9: his own father. He's allowed friends to tell, you know,
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  Speaker 9: their version of what occurred. But here's what I think.
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  Speaker 9: I think whatever he tells Tomara Aruba should get some
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  Speaker 9: warrants ready for him and the Kalpo brothers.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, guys, in less than twenty four hours, your vander Sloot,
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  Speaker 2: the judge's son that murdered Natalie Holloway. Yeah, I'll say it.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, come after me, Vandersloot, Come after me, man,
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  Speaker 2: because you know what, when you follow a civil lawsuit,
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  Speaker 2: that means you will take the stand. Because I would
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  Speaker 2: call him and put him on the stand as my
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  Speaker 2: first witness in a civil lawsuit and grill him like
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  Speaker 2: a hot dog about what happened the night that Natalie
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  Speaker 2: was killed, and all of his different stories and all
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  Speaker 2: of his similar transactions, all the times that we learned
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  Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum while we were in Aruba. You know what
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  Speaker 2: you tell it. I don't want a Q and A
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  Speaker 2: with myself, Cheryl McCollum about his MO about slipping drugs
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  Speaker 2: into drinks and girls. Everybody the old casino knew that
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  Speaker 2: was what he was doing.
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  Speaker 9: Everybody knew it. Everybody knew him the night the day
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  Speaker 9: she went missing. Beth landed that night, went straight to
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  Speaker 9: the hotel, then went to Carlos and Charlie's. They told
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  Speaker 9: her your hand Vandersloot they named him. He was seventeen
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  Speaker 9: years old. She went to the house. He stood in
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  Speaker 9: front of the stepfather, her father, her mother and described,
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  Speaker 9: oh yeah, I was touching her and her underwear had
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  Speaker 9: flowers and bordered on it. Not only did every bartender
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  Speaker 9: know his MO was to slip roe hipnol to a
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  Speaker 9: tourist that he knew was leaving the next day, because
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  Speaker 9: what are the odds that somebody's going to stay behind
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  Speaker 9: miss their flight? Have to pay hundreds of dollars to
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  Speaker 9: get on a new flight to make a police report.
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  Speaker 9: He knew that the likelihood was almost kneel that somebody
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  Speaker 9: would do that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, joining me in addition to senior investigative reporter
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  Speaker 2: for al dot Com, Carol Robinson and Cheryl mccollumb. Also
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Joseph Scott Morgan with me,
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  Speaker 2: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet,
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  Speaker 2: host of a new hit series Body Bags with Joe
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  Speaker 2: Scott Morgan. Joe Scott Just for people that don't know
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  Speaker 2: what a roof is or GHB Georgia homeboy, explain what
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  Speaker 2: that does if that slipped in a woman's drink.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a precursor. The drug itself or hibbenol, is
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  Speaker 10: actually a precursor. Just so that people understand this as
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  Speaker 10: a precursor for anesthesia. So if that's how powerful it is.
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  Speaker 10: So if you go to get surgery, for instance, before
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  Speaker 10: they actually put you under, there's that kind of drug
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  Speaker 10: that they will administer to you. It gives you got
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  Speaker 10: kind of warm, milky like floating feeling you don't have.
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  Speaker 10: You can't defend yourself you're not going to be able
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  Speaker 10: to move your arms. You react very slowly. It puts
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  Speaker 10: you into almost like a dream state. And actually this
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  Speaker 10: particular drug as it applies to GHB, has almost an
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  Speaker 10: amnesia effect like to it, so you can't remember things.
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  Speaker 10: That's why it's been referred to as a date break
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  Speaker 10: drug because people can be attacked after having it been
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  Speaker 10: administered to them and they'll wake up they have no
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  Speaker 10: idea where they are. But you know the thing about this,
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  Speaker 10: if he Vandersloot does in fact have this history of
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  Speaker 10: utilizing this drug, he understands what the potential is with
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  Speaker 10: the drug because he can manipulate, he can guide. Once
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  Speaker 10: once you have this drug in somebody's system, Nancy, you
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  Speaker 10: can guide and direct them to do whatever and the
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  Speaker 10: hell it is you want them to do, even if
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  Speaker 10: it leads to a homicide.
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  Speaker 2: Which leads us to today right now. Can you imagine
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  Speaker 2: what is going through Beth's mind. She has had a
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  Speaker 2: quest for justice since Natalie went missing, way back when
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  Speaker 2: she's done everything possible. She's spent all her time, all
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  Speaker 2: of her money, her hopes, her dreams, her plans dashed
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  Speaker 2: in one night in Aruba when she let her daughter
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  Speaker 2: go on a trip heavily chaperoned, nobody did. It's not
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  Speaker 2: the school's fault. It's not the chaperone's fault. It's not
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  Speaker 2: the mom's fault. It's your Vanderslute's fault. It's like saying,
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  Speaker 2: whose fault is it? When a jackal sneaks up to
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  Speaker 2: the watering hole in the serengetti and then attacks and
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  Speaker 2: tears the throat out of a young gazelle. Whose fault
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  Speaker 2: is that? It's the jackal's fault. Your Vanderslute is the
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  Speaker 2: jackal in this scenario? Will we find out anything tomorrow morning?
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen to Sam brought with NBC.
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  Speaker 4: Kelly expects vander Slute's detailed narrative of how Natalie died
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  Speaker 4: to be revealed after court this week, but much remains
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  Speaker 4: under wraps. Back in twenty ten, federal prosecutors accused vander
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  Speaker 4: Slut of attempting to extort a quarter of a million
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  Speaker 4: dollars from Holloway's mother, Beth for information about how her
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  Speaker 4: daughter died. Kelly says the Dutch national later agreed to
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  Speaker 4: reveal the location of Natalie's remains in Aruba in exchange
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  Speaker 4: for a twenty five thousand dollars payment the information proved false.
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  Speaker 2: I mean joining me Doctor John Deleatory, licensed psychologist mediator.
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  Speaker 2: He specializes in forensic criminal psychology. Oh and you can
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  Speaker 2: find him at resolution fcs dot com. Doctor Delatory, thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us. I'm just thinking about what
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  Speaker 2: is going to happen tomorrow. You know, when you don't
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  Speaker 2: know a horse. Look at his track wreck. This guy's
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  Speaker 2: done nothing but lie since he murdered Natalie Holloway. Why
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  Speaker 2: do we expect him to tell the truth tomorrow morning.
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  Speaker 2: He's just going to say what he thinks people want
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  Speaker 2: him to say to get a play deal. That's all
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  Speaker 2: it's going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, this is simply a matter of procedure. No
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  Speaker 3: one who is in their right mind is going to
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  Speaker 3: believe anything, Vandersloot says. Everybody knows that it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be another concoction that he has because he enjoys the concoction.
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  Speaker 3: He enjoys having people as a worm on the fishook.
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  Speaker 3: That's the part that he enjoys. No one's going to
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  Speaker 3: believe him. But this is simply a matter of procedure,
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  Speaker 3: something that has to get through for this what I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to say, is a travesty of justice. This is
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  Speaker 3: nowhere near the justice that Natalie Holloway deserves.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, You just says something, and I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to write this down. Everybody, guys on the panel, this
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  Speaker 2: is this is really interesting. Everything you said, Delatory is interesting,
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  Speaker 2: but he enjoys the concoc hold on. I go write
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  Speaker 2: that down because it reminds me of something that happened.
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  Speaker 2: I went to California for a victim's rights march, and
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  Speaker 2: while I was there, a young girl came up to me,
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  Speaker 2: like she's about seventeen, and she told me this horrible
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  Speaker 2: story of attacks on her, an attack on her, how
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  Speaker 2: she's been a crime victim, of sex abuse victim, and
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  Speaker 2: she's trying to work through it, and she wanted to
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  Speaker 2: talk to me. So I fly back to New York.
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  Speaker 2: I gave her my email and phone number, and I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to help her. For the next couple of years,
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Delatory say three years, I would listen to her
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  Speaker 2: on the phone, I would try to find her counselors.
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  Speaker 2: I would just all sorts of time, and I paid
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  Speaker 2: for some of the counselors to try to help her.
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  Speaker 2: Wait for it. So the stories I didn't see it
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  Speaker 2: at the time, became more elaborate. In the end. She
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  Speaker 2: had said she had a job at Starbucks and the
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  Speaker 2: Starbucks got robbed and she was further traumatized, and she
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  Speaker 2: was victimized, and I went, well, you know, and the
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  Speaker 2: people hadn't been caught. So I said, well, what do
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  Speaker 2: police say? And she said, well, we and there wasn't
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  Speaker 2: a clear answer. I said, well, let me get the
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  Speaker 2: police report, and I'm going to help you go to
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  Speaker 2: a victim specialist and we're gonna I'm gonna help on
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  Speaker 2: the case. I'm gonna personally get involved and I will
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  Speaker 2: come out there and help investigate the case to get
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  Speaker 2: the robbers. It's very involved. Well, as it turned out,
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  Speaker 2: there was no case, and I finally got a hold
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  Speaker 2: of her aunt, who the little girl that turned out
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  Speaker 2: had been impersonating her aunt and writing me about her condition.
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  Speaker 2: The whole thing for like years was liese just to
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  Speaker 2: get attention, I guess, and enjoying the concoction. And at
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  Speaker 2: the end I didn't feel I just felt really bad
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  Speaker 2: for this girl, This little girl, she couldn't have bet
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  Speaker 2: that point been over twenty years old. But that is
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  Speaker 2: very bizarre.
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  Speaker 6: RV.
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  Speaker 2: Brandt joining me Senior Inspector US Marshall Service, International Investigations Branch,
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  Speaker 2: Chief Inspector, DOJ, Office of International Affairs. Author of Solo Shot,
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  Speaker 2: Curse of the Bluestone, which is awesome, and Flying Solo
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  Speaker 2: top of the World. Erv Brant. All of this is
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  Speaker 2: happening here, but the murder case can never go forward
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  Speaker 2: anywhere but in Aruba. So how do we take this
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  Speaker 2: case here? The extortion case, get the statement he's going
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  Speaker 2: to get, assuming there's no immunity deal, but the Fans
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  Speaker 2: can't grant him immunity in Aruba and then get him
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  Speaker 2: back to Aruba to be tried for murder.
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  Speaker 7: Me and t Bell would be an action by the
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  Speaker 7: ruined government. The United States wouldn't have a saying it.
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  Speaker 7: Once Yourn pleads guilty or is found guilty, whichever happens,
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  Speaker 7: he's going to be sentenced in the United States, then
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  Speaker 7: he's going to be sent back to Peru. He's only
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  Speaker 7: he was extradited only on the condition that he'd be
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  Speaker 7: returned to Peru, so he's going to go back to Peru.
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  Speaker 7: It would then be up to the Aruben government to
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  Speaker 7: extradite him from Peru to Aruba. He couldn't go from
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  Speaker 7: the United States back to Aruba.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just trying to think through what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: And I also want to follow up on doctor John
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  Speaker 2: Delatori's statement that he's enjoying the concoction. James shell nutt
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  Speaker 2: is with me, high profile lawyer joining me from the
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  Speaker 2: shell Nut Firm and you can find him at shell
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  Speaker 2: nut law Firm dot com. Major case detective, former SWAT
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  Speaker 2: twenty seven years on the force, James shell Knight, have
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  Speaker 2: you ever seen anything like that where a person just
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  Speaker 2: lies and lies and lies and they enjoy spinning the web.
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  Speaker 2: That takes a lot of time and effort. I got
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  Speaker 2: too much to do to engage in that type of
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  Speaker 2: bizarre confab.
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  Speaker 11: Well, it takes a lot of effort for me and you.
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  Speaker 11: For him, he's enjoying it like he is relishing in this.
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  Speaker 11: You know, if you look at the if you look
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  Speaker 11: at the news broadcast where they showed him coming into
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  Speaker 11: Alabama being transported in the car. Yeah, and one of
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  Speaker 11: them he has a smile on his face. This is
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  Speaker 11: his limelight. This is what he obsesses about, is what
• 19:35
  Speaker 11: he thinks. Well, super Bowl, Absolutely he's getting his wish
• 19:40
  Speaker 11: right here, and he's loving every second of it.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering back to you, Sheryl McCollum, does he
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: want to go back to Peru? In the Peruvian jail,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: He's got it so good. He has unlimited conjugal visits.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: He's had I think either one or two babies. He's
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: gotten married, he's dumped that wife for a quote younger woman. Seriously,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: this is real. He gets drugs, he gets alcohol in
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: the Perusium prison.
• 20:05
  Speaker 9: Why not go that exactly? And you and I talked
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: about when he first landed in Alabama, his world was
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: going to be so different. He thought, Oh, I'm going
• 20:13
  Speaker 9: to come here and make a big show. And suddenly
• 20:16
  Speaker 9: he realizes, I have no girlfriends here, I'm not getting
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: special treatment, I'm not able to gamble, I'm not having
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: conjugal visits. I can't, you know, have the guards at
• 20:25
  Speaker 9: my beck and call. So he wants to go ahead
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: and plead because remember he originally pled not guilty. He
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: wants this plea deal so he can go back, go
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: back to the life that he enjoyed.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Even the lawyer attached to the case says, their credibility problems. Boy,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: that's one way of putting it. Okay, take a listen
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: to Sam Brought with NBC.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Mister Kelly, representing the family, said, there's no doubt there
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: are credibility issues here, especially since Vanderslude has changed his
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: story at least seven times over the course of the
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: last couple of decades. However, what mister Kelly told me
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: was that this deal is contingent upon the FAI corroborating
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: the information that vander Slope provided, which is to say
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: they think it is legitimate.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: I did find it interesting that he also told me
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: they're no longer conducting a search for her remains what
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: was the point then of getting that information? Specifically, He
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: said that will all come to light after court, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: he is expecting Beth, her mother to speak following those proceedings.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: To Carol Robinson, senior investigative reporter al dot com Alabama
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: dot com, do we know if there is some sort
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: of immunity deal in place, even including Aruba or Peru,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: because we know after he murdered Natalie, he then went
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: on to murder Stephanie Tasciana Flores, who he also met
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: at a casino in Peru, and then we think had
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: sex with her and then killed her.
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: So according to my sources, there is no immunity as
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: part of the deal. And I've also been told and
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: I guess you won't really know until tomorrow, but I
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: don't know that he's going to stand up in court
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: and you know, tell what happened. I think it's going
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: to be something that may come out slowly in court filings.
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: But I don't expect and this can change, but I
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: don't expect him to stand up there in court tomorrow
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: and say this is what I did and how I
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: did it. I'd be very surprised if that happened, but
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: I've been surprised before. But as far as the community know,
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: according to my sources, Aruba could still charge him.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it could have been devised that way.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: James shelnot joining me Swatt major case turned lawyer. There
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: could be an agreement between US and Aruba, but you
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: can't get Aruba to do anything, so I doubt they've
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: entered into any type of an agreement for immunity. I
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: think that Carol Robinson is absolutely correct. So what that means,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: let's just break it down very quickly. What that means
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: is his story that he's going to give tomorrow is
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: going to be carefully constructed so he avoids a murder
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: charge like she choked, she choked on a piece of
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: rip and died. It's going to be some story that
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: gets him off the hook.
• 23:20
  Speaker 11: Well, well partially I agree with that, but think about this.
• 23:24
  Speaker 11: You know, to be charged with a homicide in Aruba
• 23:27
  Speaker 11: or here, you don't have to have actually intended their death.
• 23:32
  Speaker 11: You can put them in a situation such as giving rehipnol,
• 23:35
  Speaker 11: which I think is likely what happened, but giving her
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: a hypnol and then her choking to death. Once you
• 23:42
  Speaker 11: put into play that course of action by giving her
• 23:46
  Speaker 11: a hypnol, if she died, if that is his story tomorrow,
• 23:50
  Speaker 11: in court or at some point after that, a Ruba
• 23:53
  Speaker 11: can still come back and charge him with Natalie's homicide.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, SHERYLM. Collum, what do you think of that?
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: I think that's likely, and that's what I'm saying. I
• 24:00
  Speaker 9: think that Capoe brothers are on the hook. I think
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: he's on the hook. Whatever is said tomorrow that is
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: in play. They should immediately take action in a Ruba
• 24:11
  Speaker 9: because they have not. But now it's not just well
• 24:14
  Speaker 9: he was smoking pot so we can't take his word
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: for it. Well, he was in a car with somebody
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: we don't know. We can't take his word for it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: This is in a court of law. It's been accepted
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: and verified by the FBI. So Aruba needs to take action, period.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: So let me ask you this, Carol Robinson, regardless of
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: how it comes out tomorrow, what do you believe the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: story is going to be? Because I don't see your
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Vanderslout ever telling the truth because number one, he never
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: has told the truth, and number two, telling the truth
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: what open him up to a murder charge in Ruba.
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: I still think he's gonna I think one of the
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: stories he's told along the way was that, you know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 8: she fell and hit her head. And I still believe
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: that that's going to be what he says happened, if
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: he doesn't just blame the whole thing on his dad,
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: because his dad is not here to defend himself.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: But how could he blame it all on his dad?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure that out. You know what, Joe Scott,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: You've been from the get go. How could he blame
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: his dad for the death.
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: Well, he's already thrown his dad under the bus. With
• 25:18
  Speaker 10: you know the story. You know, I was reading the
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: supplement report, the affidavit that the FBI agent had written,
• 25:27
  Speaker 10: and you know, he says, well, yeah, dad, Dad took
• 25:31
  Speaker 10: her remains to this house and essentially buried her within
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: the house in that location. So he you know, he's
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: already he's already, you know, cross the rubicon. I guess
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: with that, we know that he's a scumback, all right,
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: he's willing to say anything about his dad. But here's
• 25:49
  Speaker 10: another perspective on this, I think, Nancy I find interesting.
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: As you know, it's very frustrating, you know, firsthand, going
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: down there to that place to try to get anything done.
• 26:01
  Speaker 10: Aruba is going to step into the spotlight tomorrow, more
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: so than ever before. I think It's one thing to
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: have FBI agent showing up down there, having to deal
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: with the consulate and all those sorts of things that
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: come along with an investigation, But now they're entering onto
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: the stage and they are going to come under intent scrutiny,
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: I think for really the first time, because this is
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: going this is entering into a US federal court. And
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: the one thing that does talk down there are tourist dollars.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: You know, what. You're actually making my teeth hurt because
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: we went through all of this when she was first
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: kidnapped and murdered. In fact, tourism in Aruba went up
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: from the US. Did you know that, Joe Scott, I
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: screamed on air every night, I'm never going to Aruba.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I'm never going to Aruba, explained why they were all
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: kinds of protests, and tourism went up, Joe Scott, it
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: actually went up. I hate to dash your dreams.
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: Oh there's nothing dashed, but I have to say that
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: they're entering onto a big stage here.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: You mean the Federal Court, And yes, I do. I
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: hope you're right. Cheryl McCollum. I don't think he's right.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I don't think that anyone is gonna not go to
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: a rub but just because we're not the only reason
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I put one toe on Aruba with you and with
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Beth is because I thought I could help Beth Holloway.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: I thought I could help her, and I think we
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: did help her to a certain extent with some answers.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: But you know, speaking of blaming him, blaming the father
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: who is now dead because he gave him a heart attack,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Cheryl isn't it true that we learned when we were
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: in Aruba just recently that the judge, Judge Vandersloot, your
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Vanderslut's father was at the casino with him the night
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: he met Natalie.
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: He was He's sitting diagonal from Natalie while they're sitting
• 27:58
  Speaker 9: there gambling. You can see your in Natalie, but he's
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: right across the table. Not only did he know his son,
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: he knew what he was doing. He was bankrolling a
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: lot of this gambling. And keep in mind, he was
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: seventeen and he would go to bars, he would go
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: to the casinos, and everybody at every hotel, every bartender
• 28:20
  Speaker 9: that we met, knew him. They knew his routine, they
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: knew his mo But I will say one thing, and
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: this was something when we were there and the police
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: showed up trying to arrest us, you said to that officer,
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: it has taken seventeen years and you've done nothing for Natalie,
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: but in seventeen minutes you want to arrest her mother.
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: I thought that was pretty impactful.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I was just trying to save you from getting arrested
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: because you were running from the scene. That said, I'm
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: never going to let you live that down. So what
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: do we think your van der Slout is going to say,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: You might as well flip a coin because it's not
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: going to be the truth. But take a listen to
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: our friends at Fox Niece. This is what we think
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: he might say this time.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: I've never before seen email sent by the prime suspect
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: in the unsolved two thousand and five disappearance of Natalie Holloway,
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: revealing a new piece of evidence in the case. Just
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: days two days after the disappearance, Jorm van der Slutt
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: wrote to a friend, quote, my dad got a boat
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: two days later. We went for a ride and took
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: care of things. That's all I'm going to say.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Well that's enough, so you know, bottom line, Cheryl, what
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: does that tell you again?
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: How many times does somebody get to confess to committee
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: murder and hiding a body. Even what Joe Scott was
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: saying a minute ago about him throwing his dad under
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: the bus, he did, but only after she was dead,
• 29:50
  Speaker 9: So again he only should be looked at for homicide.
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: And then the Capo brothers and his father by helping
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: him after the fact, they were with him.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: We're learning a little bit more. Take a listener from
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Callahan Waltz.
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: We have to understand that this was early on. We've
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: seen Jordan Vnislout change his story time and time again
• 30:09
  Speaker 12: over the course of many years, and even the claims
• 30:12
  Speaker 12: that he made and the reason why he's in America
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: right now for the extortion charges and claiming that he
• 30:16
  Speaker 12: was going to show the Holloway family where he had
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: buried her body. So this new evidence I hold a
• 30:22
  Speaker 12: lot of weight in this new letter to David g
• 30:24
  Speaker 12: this email that him and his father had dumped her
• 30:26
  Speaker 12: body at sea. But what's interesting is that Jordan Vannisluer
• 30:29
  Speaker 12: and his father didn't own a boat, so they would
• 30:31
  Speaker 12: have had to borrow a boat or rent one. And
• 30:34
  Speaker 12: if they can find that boat that they had borrowed
• 30:36
  Speaker 12: or rented, perhaps they can find more evidence to prove
• 30:39
  Speaker 12: that her body was dumped at sea and could eventually
• 30:41
  Speaker 12: lead to possibly the prosecution because again he's never been
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: charged with her murder.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: No one has ever been charged.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Too, Doctor John Delatory joining me, renowned psychologist, Doctor Delatory.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know how Natalie's mother does it. I really
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I don't, because even now I have nightmares, flashbacks, you
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: name it, after the murder of my fiance just before
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: a wedding. But I know what happened to him. I
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: know who murdered him. She has no idea whether Natalie's
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: remains are buried somewhere. I think about that lighthouse where
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Chryl and Beth and I went when we were just
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: in Ruba looking for clues, on the far end of
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: the island. There is nothing there, but you know, a
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: pack of wild dogs, all starved, begging for food. It
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: was desolate, the wind was blowing. It was just a horrible,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: horrible thought to think Natalie's bones were somewhere buried there.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know how she's gone on. I don't know
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: how she has managed to keep it together, doctor del Tory.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: She does it because it's necessary. She does it because
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: she's her mother. And that's that's the gig. When you
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: sign up to be the mother or father of someone,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: this is what you do, right This, this is this
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: is your entire reason for being and and and and
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: She's fueled by the love and the desire for justice
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: and the anger that she has for answer for questions
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: being unanswered. There's so much that's happening right that it's
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: that for her, it's necessary and and and I think
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: that's kind of where she needs to be in order
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: to keep going, because this would be exhausting and it
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: would be debilitating for anybody.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Oh and guys, if you could actually be around Beth,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: she's so calm and methodical, and she'll tell you the story.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Remember Cheryl when she told us that she had been
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: just like out of her mind to get answers, running
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: all around the island, begging for help, not getting any
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: help from cops, from locals, from anybody's almost as if
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: they wanted to thwart her, not just refused to help her,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: but actually hurt her. And then she got to the
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: story where she was actually going up to this little
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: vista where there was a tiny chapel about the size
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: of a kitchen, little bitty chapel on the top of
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the hill. I think the name was Buena Vista Beautiful View,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: and you could once you get to the top, you
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: look out through mountains it looks like onto the ocean.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: And she couldn't take it one more minute. She asked
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: the cab driver to let her out at the foot
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: of this little mountain. She got out and she saw
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: a cross on the side of the road, and she
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: got out and knelt down in the dirt and started praying,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Please help me, God, I've got to find my daughter.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I've got to find my daughter. She saw another cross,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: and she half crawled, half walked to the next cross
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: and the same thing. As it turned out, it was
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: one of these stations to the cross walks, and they
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: were like, I forgot that. She say, twelve or seventeen
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: crosses going up the side of the mountain, and she
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: would go to each one and throw herself on the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: cross and beg and plead and cry and scream and
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: beat the earth. When she got to the top, she said,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: this is Natalie's mother. She said. An overwhelming peace came
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: over her, and it felt like this was the first
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: grand soil on Aruba that was not evil. And she
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: knew at that moment that Natalie was dead. You remember that.
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: I remember that, and I'll tell you something else. You
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: and I sat with her in front of that chapel
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: for probably an hour, just not moving, not talking, just
• 34:47
  Speaker 9: being with her present.
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: In that moment.
• 34:50
  Speaker 9: And she turned to us at one point and she said,
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: I know y'all think I'm crazy, but I brought her
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: passport dustin case.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: She said that for ten years after Natalie went missing,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: she never left the house without Natalie's passport in case
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: she got the call anywhere in the world that Natalie
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: had been found. It's just been horrible, horrible thing for her,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: and I hate to see her dashed tomorrow in court
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: when Vandersloute lies again listening our friends at WVTMI Cut
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: one eighteen.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: Of course, vanderslow It has claimed to know where Holloway's
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: body was hidden before. He offered similar intel to Halloway's
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: mother in twenty ten in exchange for a quarter of
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: a million dollars. Ultimately, though his tips proved false and
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: he was charged with wirefraud. Former US attorney Jay Town
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: believes this new offer should come with more credibility. I
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: think those would be personal conversations with Holloway family where they.
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: Can at least understand why the Bureau and the prosecutors
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: believed this particular admission.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Carol Robinson, what are the particulars of tomorrow morning? How's
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: it going to go down?
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: Well, we don't really know all the details yet. We
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: just know that he will appear with his public defenders,
• 36:23
  Speaker 8: you know, in court at nine point thirty. We expect him, obviously,
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: to stand up and issue a guilty plea and be sentenced,
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: and I do not have any information on what that
• 36:36
  Speaker 8: sentence may.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Be, So everything is still shrouded in mystery. Irv Brandt,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: let me just ask you this, RVF. You've been around
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: the world hunting down felons. Do you think there's any
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: hope that Aruba after tomorrow will prosecute him for Natalie's murder?
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: None?
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: Agreed?
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: What it's what Joe Scott saying earlier about putting the
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: pressure on Aruba. Aruba doesn't want pressure. If they bring
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: charges extra item, it's just going to keep it in
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: the news. They won't do it. There's no way they're
• 37:17
  Speaker 7: going to do it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I thought maybe, or Brent, you might throw me a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: bone here and let me think there's a chance he'll
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: get prosecuted for murder. But you're saying, no, it's never
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: going to happen, right, Is that what you're telling me?
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: That's that's exactly what I'm saying. He's going to be sentenced,
• 37:32
  Speaker 7: He's going to go back to Peru, and Ruba's going
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: to hope that he dies in prison in Peru and
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: then that's going to be the end of it.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: We'll see about that. We'll see in court tomorrow morning. Goodbye.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: It's not very often in my line of business that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I get to announce happy news. But I have happy news.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: A happy first birthday to wonderful, brilliant, sweet baby Charlie,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: the joy of his mom and dad's life, Kate and
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Zach Abrams. In this world where we report, investigate, follow
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: criminal cases every day, I love this photo and I
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: love being able to say Happy first birthday, Baby Charlie.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: You are so loved. Happy birthday.