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Building Your Adventure: Goose Gear's Journey from Ideas to Interiors · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overlain Journal podcast. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Matt Scott. I'm here with Brian Fulton from Goose Gear,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm stoked to have this guy on. Brian is
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  Speaker 1: a he's like, he's the dude when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: figuring out how to create a livable space out of
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  Speaker 1: the interior of your vehicle, whether that's a Forerunner, it's
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  Speaker 1: a coma that has like an at camper or a
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  Speaker 1: go fast on it. I think you even do some
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  Speaker 1: sprinter stuff. We did a little bit while back, a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, you know, but you know you do all
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  Speaker 1: of these I mean you have so many, I mean
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  Speaker 1: how many skews? Were you telling me that you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Have wear over three thousand skews? Like it's crazy, it's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually pretty stupid.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's a good thing. I mean it is. I
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  Speaker 1: I've done my best to kind of go through what
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  Speaker 1: Goose Gear does and you know, figure out all the
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  Speaker 1: different products, and it's just it's it's it's a there's
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  Speaker 1: a large breath of product.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks again, on X, thank you, And like anything that
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  Speaker 1: you want to do in your vehicle, Goose Gear kind
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  Speaker 1: of makes it easy. I'm not aware of anybody else's
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  Speaker 1: doing that. But this podcast isn't necessarily about Goose Gear.
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  Speaker 1: It's more about the things that Brian's learned along the way,
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  Speaker 1: you know, converting these vehicles into a living space. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're going to talk about like kind of
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  Speaker 1: wagons like you know, like your Forerunner, your station wagon,
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  Speaker 1: your Grenadier or that kind of thing, some pop top campers,
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  Speaker 1: like the wedge style campers, pickups. We're going to kind
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  Speaker 1: of slowly go through all of it, but we're going
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  Speaker 1: to start with Brian's project right now that he's working on.
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  Speaker 1: You bought a Grenadier, I did, and we're grerds.
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  Speaker 2: Grean nerds. He's the best kind.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you talked me into it, but
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  Speaker 1: I was like excited about the Grenadier and then like
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  Speaker 1: healthily skeptical.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you were a little more than healthily skeptical. You
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  Speaker 2: were a little little skeptical.
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  Speaker 1: I was skeptical, yes, and then and rightfully.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a first year car from a first year
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  Speaker 2: car company, Like there's there should be some skepticism with that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the steering just sucks, but it's a little it's
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  Speaker 1: a little rough. It's a little rough, but you've kind
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  Speaker 1: of fallen for it. I've kind of fallen for it.
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  Speaker 1: And you cut the roof off of yours, yes, like
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  Speaker 1: at fifty thousand miles, like you have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: miles in years, more than anybody I know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it gets driven all over the country, trails events,
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  Speaker 2: all of that kind of stuff, just constant driving across
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  Speaker 2: the country.
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  Speaker 1: So with this pop top, you know, the Grenadier becomes
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  Speaker 1: this like this blank canvas. It's boxy. It's actually pretty
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  Speaker 1: wide compared to a lot of vehicles.
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  Speaker 2: It is much wider than most vehicles.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have. You know, the Wrangler is a similar
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  Speaker 1: footprint in terms of maybe the with length all of
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Yeah, but then you know the
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  Speaker 1: body's literally inboard, right yeah, you have the exier flares
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  Speaker 1: that kind off, and then you have this roll cage
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  Speaker 1: and that was always like the you know, that's always
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  Speaker 1: what sucked about that car in terms of like living space.
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  Speaker 1: Like it's great if you're just using it as a
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  Speaker 1: trail vehicle or whatever, but now we have this Grenadier
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  Speaker 1: and you're doing like a full interior on it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, we're gonna we built you know,
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  Speaker 2: and it's commonly know as like a troopy interior, right yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The land cruisers from Australia and South Africa and all
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  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, the Defenders of course, and we've
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  Speaker 2: built a few of those over the years. But this
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  Speaker 2: vehicle when they announced it, it was like, this thing is
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  Speaker 2: a game changer for what we do. Like we live
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  Speaker 2: in the vehicle, right, Everything we do is in the vehicle,
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  Speaker 2: and it's all about a liveability. And when I saw it,
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  Speaker 2: I was just like, holy cow, this thing is unbelievably
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  Speaker 2: amazing for what we do because it's just a huge and.
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  Speaker 1: That tangle payload for it. Yeah, you know, so for
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  Speaker 1: people that don't know, when Brian's saying like a troopy
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  Speaker 1: or like Defender interior. In Australia, it's really common to
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  Speaker 1: do these pop tops, right. They've been getting these kind
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  Speaker 1: of utility vehicles for a long time that in the
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  Speaker 1: US we really haven't gotten. And you'll see this pop
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  Speaker 1: top and they're all you know. The interiors are basically
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  Speaker 1: a rectangle front to back and on one side you'll
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  Speaker 1: have you know, I'm going to say a little counter
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  Speaker 1: and then the other you know, you'll have like a
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  Speaker 1: little seating area. It's a pretty common layout, like it's
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  Speaker 1: a troopy interior, right, Like exactly, it's a thing that
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  Speaker 1: people do. I'm just excited to see you kind of
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  Speaker 1: take your little twist on it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited. It's this as one of those projects
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  Speaker 2: where you know, I've looked forward to it since the
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  Speaker 2: beginning of the the entity or when I first announced
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  Speaker 2: it and I saw it and I was like, oh man,
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be the one. This thing's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: I knew that Alekav was going to be able to
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  Speaker 2: root for it because they do the roofs for.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody else well, because and Rin's like another gre nerd.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he is a grin nerd. Yeah, big time.
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  Speaker 1: Big time guy, big time.
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  Speaker 2: Big time genius, Grinard guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, dang red with his big break.
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  Speaker 2: I know, stupid, I hate that guy. Yeah. No, So
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  Speaker 2: it's it's gonna be an amazing thing. I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking forward to We're trying to do something. We've done
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  Speaker 2: some similar popped up conversion before for other trucks, and
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  Speaker 2: this one just has so much potent troop interior.
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  Speaker 1: For Carl Tormally at Night trouch ear, that was a
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  Speaker 1: really cool interior that you did on that, and that
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  Speaker 1: was it make us. That's kind of v one for
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  Speaker 1: all this because you haven't really done much other.
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  Speaker 2: No, we haven't. We did it. We did his, We
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  Speaker 2: did another customer who also had a land Cruiser seventy series.
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  Speaker 2: We did both them basically at the same time. And Carl,
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  Speaker 2: he went, he has everyone in. The other guy was
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  Speaker 2: taking his to South America and Central America. And I
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  Speaker 2: actually ran into him a few months ago actually at PNW,
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  Speaker 2: and he had just got done with two years of
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  Speaker 2: living in his truck driving it all over the place
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  Speaker 2: with that interior, and he loved it. Was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So the base for all of your your stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was really lucky to be able to go through
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  Speaker 1: the factory a couple months ago, and I was just
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  Speaker 1: there like a week ago. And you have your own extrusions,
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  Speaker 1: you know. I think some people will be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like an eighty twenty extrusion that they're buying now,
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  Speaker 1: it's totally different. And then you have your own speck
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  Speaker 1: of plywood, and then you're coating it with your own
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  Speaker 1: type of like bedliner material.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing that I love about that bedliner I
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  Speaker 1: did a I did a Goose gear system in the
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  Speaker 1: back of my grand Ere. It has to draw a fridge.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot simpler than what you're doing. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: your pop top. But I like it because I can
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  Speaker 1: fold I can throw the seats down really quick. I
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  Speaker 1: get the full use of the full length of the truck.
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  Speaker 1: And said, you know, if you just folded the seats
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  Speaker 1: down and the fact or you'd basically have the seat
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  Speaker 1: sitting in the middle of your you know, your load space,
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  Speaker 1: and it's kind of awkward. But I like the bedliner
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  Speaker 1: because I can just throw whatever I want in there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's throw garbage in there, throw bricks in there or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And it's really durable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, it's the same thing to use
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  Speaker 2: for bedlining material, right, So it's just we spray it
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  Speaker 2: on with a different technique and a different process, and
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  Speaker 2: we use a chemical it's a little different than a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the other companies use and that's what allows
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  Speaker 2: us to get it's where it's a really fine, good texture.
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  Speaker 2: We put it on this thing as we can, but
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  Speaker 2: it's still very good wear and reperation resistance. But we
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  Speaker 2: want to keep the weight down.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, actually it doesn't like dig into your knees
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  Speaker 1: when you're like kind of crawing in.
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  Speaker 2: The interior like a typical bedliner is really coarse, right,
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  Speaker 2: And this is something we try and we work going
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  Speaker 2: for years to try and get that to where it's
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  Speaker 2: something you're not going to be killing yourself on.
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  Speaker 1: So do you think with your with your grenadier and
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  Speaker 1: the pop top, are you going to keep the kind
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  Speaker 1: of the bedline aesthetic or are you going to go
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  Speaker 1: a little.
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  Speaker 2: More Oh, we're going to go more home style, more
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  Speaker 2: home style. Oh yeah, we wanted to be your home right. So,
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  Speaker 2: like Dan Grek is here right now and he's just
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  Speaker 2: came back from his trip and we built his truck
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago with the intent of him
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  Speaker 2: taking or basically this is that was more of like
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  Speaker 2: a V one of V two, I would say, right.
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  Speaker 2: V one was Carl. V two is Dan Grek and
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  Speaker 2: he took it to Iceland and all over the all
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  Speaker 2: over Europe and everything, and he came back and it's
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  Speaker 2: just I mean, it's just a beautiful interior. It held
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  Speaker 2: up well, it looks good. He likes it, and it
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  Speaker 2: looks like a home. And he said that when they
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  Speaker 2: were traveling, they ran into a lot of other people
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  Speaker 2: traveling like them, of course, and most of them were
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  Speaker 2: more sterile looking, right, it just wasn't didn't feel like home.
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  Speaker 2: And that was one of his comments. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: met with him, I say, what do you think? Everything good?
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  Speaker 2: What was there anything you want to change, anything you
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  Speaker 2: had issues with? And he said, you know, everything was good.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't have a lot of stuff, and he had
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  Speaker 2: a couple of comments and suggestions, which is awesome because
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  Speaker 2: that's why we gave it to him. But he he
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  Speaker 2: said that really, when we sit in other people's trucks
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  Speaker 2: and we sit in ours, ours feels like a home.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's wood cabinetry, it's wood counter tops that
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  Speaker 2: just feels good.
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  Speaker 1: There's something to the warmth of wood. Yeah, Like unlike
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  Speaker 1: our big camper, it's all wood and it's just nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And what absorbs a lot of noise, it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: absorb a lot of heat or cold, so it always
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  Speaker 2: stays at a good temperature, so you're not getting a
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  Speaker 2: radiation of heat or cold like you will with other materials.
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  Speaker 2: And then it just it's just feels good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because there's always like like there's some campers that
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  Speaker 1: are like their grays and their whites, and then the
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  Speaker 1: lights will be like a really cool temperature, super start
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  Speaker 1: of blue. Yeah, and you get in there and you're
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  Speaker 1: just like, man, like, I feel I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 1: in the back of an ambulance.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the back of an ambulance medical clinic.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And that's how people, like our customers describe it that way.
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  Speaker 2: Like when they ask about what we're gonna do for interior,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're like, well, what are you going to do?
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  Speaker 2: What a kind of colors? You any we're gonna do it.
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  Speaker 2: That's their concern. They don't want it to feel like
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  Speaker 2: a sterile environment like they'ret the dentist office, right. It
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  Speaker 2: needs to feel like home. And that's going to be
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  Speaker 2: the focus. To make it feel like home. Give you
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  Speaker 2: everything you have, all of the excess to everything, and
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  Speaker 2: that's really the biggest thing is right. Everything needs to
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  Speaker 2: be reachable quickly, easily.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to have to move something to get
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  Speaker 2: to something. And your house is like that. You have
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  Speaker 2: a drawer for your utensils, right, you have a drawer
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  Speaker 2: for your pots and pans or a shelf, you know,
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  Speaker 2: making thinking like that.
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  Speaker 1: Your pots and pans aren't behind your you know, your
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  Speaker 1: cutlery shelf, you know, or you don't have to move
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  Speaker 1: a bag to get.
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  Speaker 2: To it, exactly. You don't put your recovery geither. You
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  Speaker 2: put those things somewhere else. You put all your living
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  Speaker 2: stuff that you're us every single day where it's quickly accessible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine. Like you end up when you're traveling
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  Speaker 1: in the road, you end up with the daily routine,
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  Speaker 1: you know, when you're when you're building like let's just
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  Speaker 1: say like migrantedier. That's just like a really basic setup.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to throw some camping gear out there, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to grow out for a weekend trip in that.
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  Speaker 1: But when you're doing something where you're really using the
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  Speaker 1: word living. Yeah, there's this routine that you have. You
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  Speaker 1: still have to brush your teeth in the morning and
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  Speaker 1: at night, you know, you have you have toiletryes, you
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  Speaker 1: have clothes, you have to change your clothes, you have
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  Speaker 1: to you have to you know, you have to clean yourself,
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  Speaker 1: you have to. You have all these things that you
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  Speaker 1: have to do and you can't prioritize like maybe on
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  Speaker 1: like a vehicle for like technical four wheel drive, you
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  Speaker 1: prioritize access to recovery gear because that may be the
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  Speaker 1: thing that you need to get at very quickly, but
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  Speaker 1: you don't really you're not using that every day, like
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  Speaker 1: you're using your toothbrush every day. Like you have to.
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  Speaker 1: You have to consider these.
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  Speaker 2: Things, you know, Yeah, exactly. And that's the biggest thing.
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  Speaker 2: Like even when even our current systems we design and
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  Speaker 2: and we you know, we'll recommend this to anybody, right,
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  Speaker 2: whether you're doing yourself where you're buying a system or
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  Speaker 2: someone else's. Like you're going to cook eat three times
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  Speaker 2: a day? Probably, yeah, most people, Right, I'm eating four
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  Speaker 2: or five times a day. So like I want to
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  Speaker 2: have instant access to my fridge, to my stove, to
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  Speaker 2: all my cooking gear and so everything in the back
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  Speaker 2: of my truck right now, which isn't set up for
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  Speaker 2: the pop top, but as set up for our typical
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  Speaker 2: system is instant access to the stuff use every single day. Right,
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  Speaker 2: you have to have quick access to it. Toiletries are
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  Speaker 2: in a specific place, so you need to you know,
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  Speaker 2: brush your teeth, right, Yeah, you don't want to look
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  Speaker 2: for that. You don't want to move stuff around. It's
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  Speaker 2: got to be quick and easy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just interesting. There's just so many different
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  Speaker 1: ways to do all this stuff. Right, So we're not
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  Speaker 1: saying that like this is this is the thing that
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  Speaker 1: works for everyone, but correct, you know, when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to like these longer trips, like that's that's really important.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So how are you finding, Like, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: guys are really known for kind of interiors for a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the wedge campers, whether it's a go Fast
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  Speaker 1: camper at Camper Super Pacific. I mean, you guys kind
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  Speaker 1: of you don't really like make stuff specifically for the camper.
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  Speaker 2: It's more the.
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  Speaker 1: Bedsize, uh, for the truck that it's going in, because
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  Speaker 1: that's what really interfaces with But like you know, with
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  Speaker 1: the Grenadier How are you finding that different from like
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  Speaker 1: these wedge campers because the layouts I mean, I guess
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  Speaker 1: similar in some ways, but also completely different.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is different because you want to
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  Speaker 2: spend in my opinion, right, this is just how I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to build it for how I would camp. Right,
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  Speaker 2: You're going to cook. You know, when we go camping,
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  Speaker 2: we want to be outside the vehicle. Yeah, right, we're
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  Speaker 2: going we're driving somewhere to get to somewhere beautiful. We
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  Speaker 2: want to be outside. We're going to be sitting on
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  Speaker 2: a chair, relaxing you hopefully by campfire if possible, looking
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  Speaker 2: at the view, absorbing the view. So having the ability
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  Speaker 2: to cook inside and outside is going to be critical, right,
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  Speaker 2: because there are times when the wind is blowing thirty
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  Speaker 2: miles an hour and it's sleep sideways and you want
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  Speaker 2: to go inside and cook inside. So you want to
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  Speaker 2: have both of those access So we're going to design
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  Speaker 2: around that. But it's as far as virtue difference between
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  Speaker 2: a wedge camper and the Grenadier, it's just it's very
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  Speaker 2: similar as far as the living system. But because you're
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  Speaker 2: connected to the front of the cab, you have space
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  Speaker 2: that you can now utilize the seats of the vehicle.
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  Speaker 2: So like you can take certain you can have bags
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  Speaker 2: that you're going to travel with, especially if you're doing
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  Speaker 2: a longer trip you get more gear, you have a
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  Speaker 2: place to put it, but you can actually take stuff
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  Speaker 2: and put it in the front seats. Yeah, get it
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  Speaker 2: out of the rear so the rear is as open
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  Speaker 2: as possible, as little clutter as possible, so that you
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  Speaker 2: have a.
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  Speaker 1: Living six stuffel bag with your clothes can then get
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  Speaker 1: put in the front seat and you're traveling to the
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  Speaker 1: person while there's two seats, but there you go.
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  Speaker 2: You're set and it's out of the way, right, And
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  Speaker 2: so making use of that space is great because now
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  Speaker 2: you've cleared up the living space where you're actually living.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing is just having a system where you
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  Speaker 2: can stand up right in a wedge camper. Right, you
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  Speaker 2: can do that in the grenadeer or the pop top,
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  Speaker 2: you can do it in a wedge camper. So being
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: able to stand up, change, get dressed, put your shoes on,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: all of those kinds of things, that's where those things
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: really come into play.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: As far as usability, I think one of the nicest
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: things to have when you're when you're traveling full time
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: or long term travel sounds simple, but it's it's the
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: place to change. Yeah, especially if you're like if you're social,
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: you know you're you're doing I mean actually like scratch that,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: like even like weekend trips. You're doing weekend trips with
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: your buddies, and you know, let's just say your wife
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: or your daughter or somebody is coming along. Or even
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: if you know, I don't want to change in front
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: of people, I guess I shouldn't say. You know, women
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: is not wanting to change it for people. Nobody wants
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: to change in front of people. But the ability to
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: just like be able to stand up and change your
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: clothes without people seeing is like it's actually kind of
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: really nice. It is really nice. Like it's very very
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: nice changing your clothes. And a rooftop tent is like
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: it's like trying to fit a caterpillar into a sleeping bag.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like you're just kind of like wiggling
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: and trying to figure it out, and I don't.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: Know, it's a little tough. I mean, there's you know,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: it's it's there's different types of camping, right, different types
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: of affordabilities and all those kinds of things. So people
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: we see customers graduate over time. They graduate and they
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: go from this to this to this to this, and
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: they move their way up and they buy different qualities
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: of life as they progress in not only the overland
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: but in their financial capacities and all that kind of stuff.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because this stuff isn't cheap, you know now. I
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: mean like with you guys, like you just have so
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: many different parts that you're like one of I think
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: that maybe build don't realize that you're not, Like, do
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: you have a big production run on this stuff? Like
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: you have so many options because the designs are all
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: made to order and pretty custom you know.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, everything's custom fit, right, So every vehicle
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: is different. There's not very many things that are interchangeable.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: So we have to have all those different skew count
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: of different options so that we can fulfill the needs
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: of as many people as possible.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, are the what are the mistakes that you
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: think people make when doing like an interior build out
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: on a vehicle. Oh?
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Man, that's a good one.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: So I guess it depends on the type of vehicle, you.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Know, that's part of it. I think it's it's really
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of time when we build something,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: the first thing that people are thinking of, right is
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: they're thinking of recovery gear, and they're thinking of tools,
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: and those are all incredibly important, right, recovery gear, tools,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Like clearly you need those things a way to air up,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: air down. But a lot of people start out they
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: buy a drawer and they think, oh, I'm just going
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: to throw this in a drawer, any drawer, or they
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: build their own drawer. And I did this. I'm guilty
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: of this. When I first started, I didn't know anything. Right.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Well, you're kind of told, oh, you've got to be
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: able to get to this stuff really quick.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Oh really quick. Like everyone's stressing how quick you need
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: to get your tools and your recovery gear. And it's like, okay,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: I haven't just mind.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Find it to be that way.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Like you need to slow down if you need tools
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: or recovery gear. You're better off unless someone's sliding off
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: a hill, which at that point you probably shouldn't connect
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: to them anyway. Yeah, I mean, let's be honest, but
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: like if they're in a place where they need to
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: be pulled down, you're really not in a hurry anymore.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: That the vehicle is stuck.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: It's not going anywhere.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you're going to be holding potentially some
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: people up, but you know likely they're with their traveling
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: with you and nobody can get through. Yeah, it's just
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I have to say that I kind of felt guilty
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Oh I was too.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Like my first like like big big trip that I did,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: where I built the vehicle and I did everything. We
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: drove around Australia off right when I was running a
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: magazine over there, and the first couple of trips I did,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, yeah, like best practice, I've got
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: to have my recovery gear in my drawers and it
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: needs to be the first thing when I pull it
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: out because it's gonna save me two milliseconds.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't matter.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: By the end of the trip, I think we're gone
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: for six months or something, like I don't even know
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: where that stuff was, Like it was so buried, you know,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Like when we crossed the Simpson Desert in a troopy
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that had like five horsepower maybe maybe fifteen maybe fifteen. Yeah,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: Like I definitely like, you know, the max tracks were
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: already outside. We had a winch, you know, so then
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: you're like, you're you know, your shackles, ropes, that kind
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: of stuff. Yeah, like if i'm if I'm actively crossing
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: you know, this some desert, Like, yeah, I'll just pull
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: that bag out exactly. But you can kind of bury
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: that stuff.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can. Like mine's actually between is wedged behind
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: my driver's seat.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Right, it's still accessible and it's kind of wedged in.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: It's kind of the space for it because it ends
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: up being that like driver seat cubby size thing.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just works. And so, like I said,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: everyone fills their doors with all those things because they
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: think they need to. Yeah, and you do need to
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: have access those things. But you know, if your truck
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: is broken, any tools, you were definitely not in a hurry, right,
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: it's not going anywhere, so slow down and think so
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I take all of that stuff. And also, this stuff's
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: typically heavy, you know, unless you're all synthetic on your
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: recovery gear, which a lot of people are now thanks
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: to a lot of improvements and technology, not carry a
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: bunch of you know, fifty pounds shackles around, but all
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the tools tools are heavy. Those are on the floor
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: foot floor of the second row seat, on the ground
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: as low as possible, better wag distribution, getting that weight
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: out of the back, and then still like your kitchen, man,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: it's about brushing your teeth, making food. That's always the
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: number one concern for us.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like what else do you see
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: people doing. I mean, you know there's a lot of
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: people that are going to listen to this that you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: their budget may just allow them to do a DIY thing, right,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's great, And I'd love to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: spend a little bit like getting advice from the dude,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: like what is your advice for the DIY guys that
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: are building, you know, like like what kind of materials
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: should they be looking at using. I'm going to let
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: you run from there.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so DIY. I've actually talked to some customers,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: especially in the early days when I was more active
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: and I was literally the person answering the phone in
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the beginning, right, So I'd have people call and they're like,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: you know, I saw a guy was commenting out posts.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: He's like, yea, I'm gonna build my own applywood. And
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I'd literally just reached out to the guy and I
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: was like, hey, if you're going to do it, aupplywood.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Here's how you should do it, and he was like,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: why are you telling me this? I'm like, I mean,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I just happen to have time right now, and I
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: feel like just helping you out. It's like, you know,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: those days are a little harder about nice guy. Yeah,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to you know. Plus I enjoy it, right,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: And we built our first system out of plywood, right,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: and we own a cabinet shop, countertop shop, and it
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: was pretty easy for us because we have machines and automation.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: We build lots and lots of cabinets. But you know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: building on plywood is actually a really good material. The
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: key with plywood is that if you're going to do
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: it in your diy, like you want to do a
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: dato joint where you're actually putting a notch in the plywood,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: and you're actually putting it's it's kind of hard to explain.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: You're basically putting a channel. So where one piece meets
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: another piece perpendicular, that piece of ply it falls into
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: that little channel and then you lather as much glue
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: as you can in there and then screw it and
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: the guru the glue and that channel is going to
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: make it unbelievably stronger. Right, So when we do industrial
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: cab or in institutional cabinets for like hospitals, which the
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: doors are getting opened and closed a thousand times a day, Right,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: those cabins have be built, they're built to a different standard.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: That's how we would build it out of plywo That's
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: how we built our first box out of plywood. You
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: can do it on table saw. You don't need specialized tools, right,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: you can do it on table saw. I would say,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: you know a lot of people want drawers, drawers, drawers, drawers, drawers,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: drawers and drawers are great, but you probably don't need five. Yeah, right,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: unless you're a chef and you're carrying and you're feeding
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: twenty five or thirty people on trail every single day.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Different story. But if it's just you and your family,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: build what you need.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I've been digging those step twenty two kind of bag
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: box things where yes, you know, I've always thought that's
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: it's interesting for the DIY guys. Don't spend the money, time, effort,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: weight complexity on the drawer slides because bags in just
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: slide a couple.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: If you took the same box and you left two
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: openings for two drawers side by side, which is you
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: know what, Arb, And there's a lot of side by
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: side dress frontun or all those guys, they make a
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: lot of side by side drawers and you just don't
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: put the drawers in. Yeah, And that's actually what our
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: very first system was. It had one little drawer in
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: the middle and had two cubbies on either side. The
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: very first drawer we ever made, right, and it was
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: literally just for bins that slid into those holes. Yeah,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: it was inexpensive, it was super easy to build, and
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: it worked right. And it wasn't pansy, wasn't flashy, but
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: it worked.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I mean obviously like functionality is like
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I think, particularly the dayside, like you're focusing on functionality,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, I mean there's diy guys that just do
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: like like amazing work Like some of the interior systems
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: I've seen. It makes me wonder if these guys were
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: cabinet makers. Yeah right, ye are like super like super
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: well done. But you know, I if I was putting
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: myself on those shoes, I would just try and keep
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: it as simple as I could, you know, Like I
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: like the idea of kind of like almost I'm going
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to switch from calling it drawers to calling it a
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: platform and you can put stuff underneath exactly. I think
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that's that's really powerful.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: That's very powerful. And it's also less weight. Yeah, right,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: so there's less complexity, less weight because you have a drawer,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: you have a box inside of a box, and so
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: you're adding weight, complexity and just more money and you
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily need it and having a platform and you know, really,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, less is more right,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: which is funny because we sell a lot of things,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: but less is more right. You don't necessarily need all
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: of those things. You actually literally don't need any of them.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: You know, it can be nice to have them.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a very nice convenience factor. Right, it's
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: a better quality of life.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I was encouragingble. You have to prioritize
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the travel and then put the stuff second. Like if
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: it's doing the trip and you know, building a DIY platform,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: we're spending the money. This isn't good for your sales, but.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: The trips okay, but it is. It's true, like do
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: the trip, right, I mean that's you know, my daughter
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: when we first started, it's like Okay, we're going to
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: do you know. I talked to her and we had
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: a fore runner, right, we had a fore runner. We
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: had a rooftop tent, and we had basicly least expensive
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: suspension we could buy just to get a little bit
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: bigger tire, so it just did a little bit better
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: off road. But that was it. And we had this
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: one platform and we just lived out a rooftop tent
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: and we did what thirty some days that first year.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: That's all thirty days of camping with my dars. Like,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: we're going to do thirty days this year of camping
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: in our first year. And she's like, why are we
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: gonna do that? That's like a whole month. Yeah, I was like,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: but that's only a weekend every month. It's not that hard, right,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: And almost anybody can get out early on a Friday
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: once a month. So just get in the car and go.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: And that's what we did. And obviously, as time progressed
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: and the company built and all stuff, we built better cars.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Because she's she's kind of always been here with you
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: on a lot of these trips and yeah, kind of
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: well more than half her life.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Now, she's been so crazy it's crazy. Yeah, she's twenty
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: one now, so she started when she was ten. Like
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: her first expo was eight years ago. She has eight
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: years of expo experience and she's been to almost every
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: one of.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Them, Yeah, East Coast, all of them. She could be
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the new young sith Lord of overlanding, right.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I know, I'm hoping to pass up a t That's
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the hope. So I can go play more and she
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: can take over.
• 25:55
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• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, so kind of going back over
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: to talking about kind of the like the SUV side,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: So let's move over to like advice for that weekend
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: guy that's going out, maybe he's doing a week long
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: trip in the summer, guy or girl. Sorry, like you know,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: they're driving it to work, they're you know, they're they're
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: getting out on their weekends. Like what how does how
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: does the game change from the full time setup to
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: kind of that weekend setup, Like how do you usually
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: advise people that are you know, they just know they're
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: not going to use it for a month on a time.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's a good question because there's a balance, right,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: it's a you know, it's a combination of a couple
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: of things. Is you know, how much money you want
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: to spend, Like, let's assume they're buying something, well, my stuff,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: anyone's stuff, right, it's not necessarily about good gear on
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: this it's just anyone's gear. It's just a matter of
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: how much money do you want to spend? Right, what's
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: your budget. And then do you need to take it
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: out of the vehicle and put it in the vehicle
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: when you're not using it? Right are you? Do you
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: have three kids that you've got to take to all
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: the different sporting events and you need the rear cargo area. Well,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: then like your system as an example, where it's just
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a little fridge drawer in a drawer is great because
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you still have majority of your cargo area. Plus if
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: you have kids, you're in any more space. But if
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: you're just you know, a single person and you want
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: to go travel, you know, just even just a base
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: plate and a fridge slide and a fridge, like a
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: fridge is a game changer, right, I mean not everyone
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: has to have a fridge. A cooler works great. You know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: there's plenty of great cooler especially for weekend or stuff. Right,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: it's a lot cheaper. But having something that's quick and
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: easy to take in and out is a nice thing. Right.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: But you know, less is more is really the biggest thing.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I think this hard explained.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: That it sounds a little counterintuitive, but I almost find
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that the folks that are going out for the weekends
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: are the ones that sometimes overbuild. Like I think that
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: like the Jeep and the fore Runner crowd right now
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: is the worst that the hatch comes up on the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Forerunner and I'm like, oh wow, you can't even put
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: a ham sandwich in the back of this thing outside
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: of a drawer, outside of some like defined space. Yeah,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: and I think that there's for the if you're just
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: doing this kind of cat more casually or like you're
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: saying every weekend for a month, is still that's a
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: lot and it's a lot.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're getting a lot of time in the seat
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: and you're getting a lot of places to go.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I always think lass is a little more you know,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: like I think you have to have that kind of
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: duality of the space for you know, if you're still
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: using as a regular car.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Most people need their they need their cargo space, so
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: they're buying an suv. It's not you know, most of
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the time, they didn't buy a Forerunner because they wanted
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: to go camping. Yea, they bought a fore Runner because
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: it fits their needs.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: And then they start making some modifications so you can
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: go a little further or a little more comfortable off
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: road exactly exactly.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: And that's and that's where going back, like you said,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: when you pop you know the lift gate. You see that,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: and we see drawers stacked all way the ceiling. And
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: then you've got you know, a fridge cabinet or a
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: camkitchen or just a ninety liter fridge and their forerunner
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and they're going out for three days and you know
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: there's you're filling it to where you have nowhere to
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: put anything you have. You have sleeping bags, you have pillows,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: you have blankets, you have just all the other your clothes,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Like those things need a home. Also. Yeah, and if
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: you've got two kids with you, like we're you going
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: to put them in their lap?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so less do less, do less, do less, do less,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: so you can spend more time traveling.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the key thing. I've been with the Grenadier
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: and my little goose system in the back. I've just
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: done alue boxes on top of that. I mean I
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: already had them. You have like kind of the tie
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: down points you know, around it, so I can like
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: pretty securely. But then I get another layer that I
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: can put stuff on top of. Yes, you know, if
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: it's throwing a big tent, a swag or something that
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: just rolls up and takes a lot of space, like
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: like I have the room for it, and that really
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: encourage people to like think of it being a modular system,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my thoughts. Man, It's true. Keep it modular.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: And then also, you know, don't just if you're nude, like,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: don't dive in whether you have the money or not
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: and just buy like, oh, this is the coolest thing
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I've ever seen. IM's going to buy this. Yeah, it's
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: we I have. We have had so many iterations myself,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: like I have a whole warehouse full of junk. Yeah,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: things that I bought that I thought would be cool
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: or things that I thought I needed.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily mistakes. You just like like everybody
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: is in a different place in life at every different time, right,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Like you may just like need a bunch of stuff
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: again because you have kids or whatever and you want
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to you want a place to put it. But that
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: modular aspect that you've kind of designed, I think is
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: really nice. Like I know that I could add more
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: stuff to mine or I already have the bass plate
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: and I could take things out, Like I love that
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: camp kitchen thing that you do. If I was doing
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: longer trips. Say it has had a roof ten or
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: whatever that camp kitchen you have with you know, like
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: the National and a fridge, and it has the Partner
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: quick partner steel partner steel stove that comes out slides out.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: That's really trick. You can add that and you can
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: take that out.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can take it out. I mean that's
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: only four bolts, right, eight bolts if you want to
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: really get it secure. But like mine's been screwed down
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: with four bolts forever because it comes in in out
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: all the time, right, We're always changing stuff for shows.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: And that just works great because it's basically a fridge
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: and a stove. It all slides out. It's one unit.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: You have storage space above it. You put a couple
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: step twenty two bags on top of it. You have
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: a way to strap them down with our little anchor kits.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: And now you've got your whole kitchen on one side.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: You've got your stove, your fridge, and your pantry which
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: is above it. It's everything's there. And that's that's my favorite
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: device that we've ever created. Because even if you just
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: did that, like my friend Justin Pitcaren gets, you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Justin like he has the base plate and the seed
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: to delete, right, and he sleeps in basically completely empty.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: It's like a flatbed truck and his gratity, right, and
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: he has just the camp kitchen.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: And that's like the sweetest little build because it's just
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: that he's got an allouy box that he steps on
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: and another alley box that carries some extra gear like
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: his camp chair and that kind of stuff, Okay, and
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: it's just so simple. His truck's light.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: There's just always this recurring theme of like the more
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: you do it, the less you kind of want to
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: tick with you. You know, it's not it's again, it's
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: not always.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: The case, not always, but like Justin's.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Been doing this for a long time, very long time.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: He came up in a podcast we did a couple
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: of weeks ago. He was like there for like expedition trophy.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, he tells us stories. It's just like,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: holy god, I wish I knew about this then.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, so teenager still, right, Not like I
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: was a teenager still when that stuff was going on,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: which is crazy, But you have experienced guys like Justin
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: and that, like you know, they've kind of figured that
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: that works on they've got some cubbies to put some stuff. Yeah,
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: like because it doesn't your for the Grenadier has like
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: some storage and that where.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: We're not not in the low version like he has
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: where it's just the complete sate. He doesn't. It doesn't
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: have that because there's all the electronics for the vehicle,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: but in front, underneath the seats, like in the footwell area,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: there's still quite a bit of storage in front of
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: where the batteries are. So there's that's where he keeps
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: most of the stuff, right, and it just works and
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: it's good. And our first system was design off adjustments.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Like that's how old school it is, right. He's like
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I saw his truck and I was like, this is amazing,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: and is JK Miner And I'm like, I didn't even
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: know what Urtha Miner was. I was like, oh my god,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: this is like and that's basically the same thing. Roof conversion.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Well, in a lot of ways, the Wrangler JK or
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: just the four door Wrangler with the pop top on
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: it or Minor like that was the closest thing that
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: we could get to these troopy Defender builds that we
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: were talking about earlier in the podcast, and now we
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: have another option. But you know, there's also so many
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: vehicles on the market now, Like, I mean, what is
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: aside from the grenade here? Because sometimes this sounds like
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: a advertising credit here.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I get in trouble sometimes.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: We don't get any friggin money. Yeah, I've never taken
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: a cent from those guys. I paid for mine me too.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: What Yeah, I wish, Yeah, like I wish like I've
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: oh here you're sponsored by them?
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I wish, Yeah that'd be.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: But what's you know, you just also did some stuff
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: for the GX and that's a cool platform. I'd love
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: to talk about this, this new two fifty platform that's
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: you know, the new land Cruiser. You know, it's the
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Prato that we never really got, well we got it
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: this the Lexis, but now we have this, this, this
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: heck and cool GX five fifty over trail plus. Like
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: who would have thought Alexus would be selling for oversticker.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy right like and it still yeah, and
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: it's a great and the demand is high, like when
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: we take it. We've had Christian Schmickler from CBI, We've
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: had his truck in our booth for the past three
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: expos because he was one of the very first people
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: to get one and he was nice enough to bring
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: it to us to let us build out an chure.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: And his truck is rad right, it's crazy building. He
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: is a crazy wheeler. But the GX Y fifty versus
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the land Cruiser, like to me, build wise, because it
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't have the hybrid battery, is way better for us
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: because there's just more real estate.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: So they put a hybrid and battery in the.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Back and we have to build a frame up and
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: over it, which we have and it works great. And
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: like Brad from Trail Recon, you know, he has that
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: same system where it's just a low you know, he's
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: got some storage, some you know, drawers and stuff like that,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: and the siege deletes and that's that system works out
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: really well. But the GX FI fifty, because it has
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: just a gas twin turbo engine, like you have more
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: real estate. And so if I'm buying one, I'm buying
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the gx personally because it has in my pining, better
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: power and more room interior wise, we spend all of
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: our time inside. Yeah, that's my niche So.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because this two fifty thing. You know, we've always
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: got some version of what this car actually is. Like
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the four run was a proto one fifty that just
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: had some some stut you know, different body on it,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: right for the American market. Now they've they've brought that
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: that land cruiser here. Yeah, it's interesting because it's it's
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: more usable than the Forerunner. Like it's almost to me
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: like the fore Runner kind of died. Like we have
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: a couple of the ranch, you know, we're here at
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: the the big thing that I drove around in one
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, I haven't heard anybody talk about
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: a fore Runner in a while, because it's like all
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: of the crowd that was the fore Runner crowd now is.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Like is running yeah a nineteen fifty eight lankers? Yeah, right,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: because that's.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: A it's frankly a more usable space.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: It is more usable space. It's taller, it has a
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: little bit more with right. The extra height is huge
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: when you're when you're dealing with the interior, Like if
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: you're building out stuff, then you're gonna go take out
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: traps on trips and stuff like that. So the Foreigner's nice.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I think the styling they did a good job but
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: if you're in that budget range and you can afford
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: a nineteen fifty eight lan Cruise or I'm buying the
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: nineteen fifty eight Lankers, Yeah, because it's just it's also
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: a land cruiser. It's just a little bit better and nicer.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so what are you seeing that most people
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: are doing to those for like interior.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so land cruisers, I mean, we still do just
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: the same stuff for all We have a version of
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the same thing for every vehicle pretty much. Right, every
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: vehicle is completely different on sizing specs. There's some commonalities,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: but they're all completely different, so we have to design
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: everything to the vehicle. But we do a lot of
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: you know, side by side drawers are very popular, you know,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: that's the old And when I first started, like that's
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: what I looked at. I was on Expedition Portal and
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I'm just scrolling and looking what everybody's building, and this
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: I just found out about the industry. I had know
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: anything about it. I found XO Overland their first season,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Andrew Saint pier White and I was like, wow, you.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Guys, how did you actually even get into this?
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: That's you know, what we're going without. Afterwards, Yeah, that's
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: a story itself. Yeah, that's a story in itself. But
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: just sheer panic of realizing my daughter's ten and we
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: had our cabinet business in like the previous four years,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: was working like seventy hours a week, and I realized
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: she went from six years old to ten years old,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: and it was so fast, and I was working so
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: much that like I would leave before she was awake,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: and I'd come home and it'd be like almost bedtime,
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: and that just like killed me. When she had ten,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, this is stupid. I'm
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: not going to do this anymore. I don't care if
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: the business fails. I'm not going to do this anymore. Yeah,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: And so literally just did some YouTube search, like I
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: want to do something with my daughter Wance, spend time
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: with her because she's you know.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: She's Goose.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's Her nickname is Goose.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: That's why it's called Yeah.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Her emails Goose goose gyashere.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's pretty right.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: And I gave her the off show. I was like,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: do you want to be your name?
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: Mean?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: She's like, well, I'm Goose, So like I'll be Goose
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: at Goose dash gear to come and I was like,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: all right, she's gonna get a ton of emails now.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: It was probably a bad idea, so yeah, bad idea,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: but yeah, And it was just it was just your panic, right,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: realizing that in three years she's gonna be thirteen. Yeah right,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: she's gonna be on her phone getting ready for high
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: school and be like, hey, I'm going to go out
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: with my friends. And I was like, she's like my world.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: And so that's where. And I had done a bunch
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: of four whelion when I was in high school myself.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I had a Toyota pickup nineteen eighty four Toyota standard
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: cab shortbed pickup that I got, yeah when I was sixteen. Yeah,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and beat the living poop.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Out of that thing.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Holy cow. And I and the finding is my dad's
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: a mechanic, and he was building engines when I was
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: really young, Like I remember like Chevy three fifty, you know,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: long blocks, and he's like literally blueprint balancing these things.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: And he taught me nothing about cars. So I drove it.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: I drove that truck for sixty thousand miles without changing
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: the oil because I didn't know you had to oh no,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: oh man, oh no. Sixty thousand miles. Visit the dude,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: it ran and never died. It was it's a twenty
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: two URC, you know, naturally aspirated. And my friend's like
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: driving with me, He's like, heyd, when's last time we
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: changed the oil. I was like, what are you talking about?
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: He's like, you need to change the oil. I was like,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. He's like, oh, dude,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: we need change oils. We went and bought all the
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: stuff and he did it and like little metal shaving's
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: a few little metal shit. He's like, this is not good, dude.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: You need to change your oil way more often than
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: sixty thousand miles. But yeah, couldn't kill it.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: So does that mean you've like you've taught your daughter
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: nothing about cabinets or interior.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: Some Yeah you'll figure it out now. No, she's she's
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: hardcore in the business now. Yeah. So I mean it's
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: rat too. Like the greatest thing. One of the best
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: dad moments was about two years ago and we were
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: building her super So she built a super outpack and
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: we talked to a Prince you and said, hey, you
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: guys were building a super outpack. You want to send
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: a refract, and they sent us a refract for her
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: because it's gonna be all shows and you know, you know,
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: the normal stuff. And she goes, well, I said, you
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: want to put your refract on this Saturday because I
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: got to be the shop working on, you know, another vehicle.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: And she's like okay. So we get in the shop.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: She's like, well, what do I do? My god, I
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: don't know. It's your problem. I was like, you go
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: figure it out.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: She's like what.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, just go watch the video, go
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: watch to read the instruction. She's like all right. So
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: she goes in. She's a little huffy, puffy, like I'm
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: not going to help her. I was like, you'll figure
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: it out. You're a smart kid. And so I go out.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I'm working out my truck. I come back in. She goes, Man,
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: these instructions they're good, but they're not great. So I
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: found this other guy who this YouTube video and it's
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: freaking epic and it told you everything you needed to see.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh good. So she's in there
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: and I coming around the corner and she's got the
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: seats folded down, she's on her back, laying in the
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: vehicle and She has her feet up in the in
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: like the sea pillars, and then grabs the headliner and
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: goes oom and just yanks it off the ceiling. And
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, hell, yeah, that's my daughter, this is
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: rad And I was so freaking happy and so proud
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: that she just said I'm just gonna freaking do it. Yeah,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: And I mean I helped her obviously and still help her,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: but you also have to kind of learn, right. You
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: can't just give them all of the information. You have
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: to let them learn and force them to figure it
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: out sometimes. I think, so.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you have to let your children wait sixty thousand
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: miles before an Yeah that's not a change the oil.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Don't do that.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: That was just Brian at three thousand and one miles.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Huh yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, oh yeah, super awesome.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: But now she tires all the cars apart. So we
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: get like the new Forerunners coming in I think in
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: like two weeks, and we'll bring it in. We'll pull
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: in the truck in the shop and she will go
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: through and rip the whole interior that truck by herself.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: She'll document every single bolt, what size ranch you need,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: and write the instructions on how to rip it all apart,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: and then I'll come out and take a look at it,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: and then we'll discuss what our plan is, and then
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: we'll draw stuff, and then she'll actually do all the
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: test fitting, and then I'll make all the notes, we'll
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: make some adjustments, and then she'll do the final test
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: fitting and she'll write the instructions and document all that stuff.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: And so that's crazy.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she does all that. Now, that's awesome, super rad
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: for me because it saves me so much time. Yeah,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: but it's good experience for her, right, Yeah, she's she's
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: stepped it up. It's pretty rad because now she handles
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: all like the any sponsorship media type stuff. She doesn't
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: handles all that now too, which is pretty rad. Yeah. Yeah,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: well that's cool. So back on vehicles, sorry, back on segue.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Well, we gotta you gotta you gotta get her trained
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: up and you're grinned to your finish. Yes, so you can.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Then go one hundred percent, you can go.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Heck off, yeah, go to I don't know what you're
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: gonna do. What are you gonna do?
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: I want to travel, you know, the whole the hope
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: is that we're traveling, right, that we're going out. I
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: want to go to abatrolred just but I want to
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: take my car. I would love to have a booth
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: there and literally drive to the show and then go
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: also do some travel.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: How cool would that be?
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: It'd be super That'd be amazing. Right. We've got some
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: dealers in Mongolia that have hit us up about becoming
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: a dealer. Love to set them up and then go
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: to their country and let them show me their favorite places.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't even have to ship. You can
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: just drive from the coppentur and all a rod to Mongolia.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: It's like you can do like a like a couple
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: of days.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I would do that in Harvey. That'd be superman.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: That'd be really rad. Yeah, I mean, jeez, I want
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: to go to Mongolia.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Like I just had a friend that drove his his
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: Grenadier through that whole area and man, I think, like
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: just the whole like Eastern Europe stands Silk Road thing
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: is just like such a cool trip.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be amazing.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: And then to have a dealer network that's selling our product,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: they can let it go from each dealer and then
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: they take you to their favorite cool spots that you're
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: not going to normally find.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's the idea. They start off at the show.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: They don't know what they're doing, so they buy just
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: like one piece, and then all along the silk road
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: you've set up you've set up shops. Yeah, and perfect,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: add little pieces along the way.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: And then I can help pay for the trip. Yeah,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: it's perfect.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Perfect.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Geez, what are some like I I really want to
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: like dive into kind of this DIY thing again. I
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: think it's cool. Yeah, but for the guys that are doing,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: like the guys girls are doing, like the pickup stuff
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: or like the van stuff. Like, let's actually talk about vans.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I know that you're not doing vans, but there's so
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: many people that do with like DIY conversions in the vans.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: You've seen them. What are the things that people need
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: to look at differently, like what are they really doing wrong?
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: So probably the something you see a lot of is
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: people put you know, the hard the kind of hardware
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: you use is important, right, the strength of the hardware.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: You know, in the early days, we saw a lot
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: of van builders DIY people using the pushbuche and push
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: button latches because they look really cool. They're really clean,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: really small. Yeah, but they they they implode, they grenade.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: I have, Oh they're terrible. I have the fle ones
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and I had the very fistic ones initially, and they
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: make a metal version. But it's actually worse to use.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: It's worse to use and it still is going to fail.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: It just delays the fail. Yeah, it's not made for that, right,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: And so probably a big thing to think about is
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: when you're building any vehicle, is the side to side
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: rocking motion is where all the damage happens. It's not
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: the front to back, it's the side to side. Because
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: you're on a trail, you're hitting a rock, the vehicle's
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: rocking side to side, and you know what it is.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I mean you've had times, I'm sure where at some
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: point you're doing something and the b pillar comes and
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: smacks you in the side the head. Yeah, right, it's
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: not fun, doesn't feel good. But that motion is very
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: violent on vehicles. So doing a ton of drawers that
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: go side to side east west on a vehicle is
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: not really always the best idea.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: It's one of the worst parts of the design of
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: the older earth roamers is you had your pantry, which
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: is quite tall, quite heavy, and then you had all
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: your kitchen drawers that were all east west. Yeah, and
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: I constantly break those latches.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's everything inside of it slamming back and forth.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Even if it's not heavy, it doesn't take a lot
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: of weight. It's just that repetitive slamming where's everything out
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: and breaks it. And we learned this the very hard way.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: The first system we ever built, like the first true
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: interior we ever built for Dave Bennett, you know, with
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: American Ventures, and we built his truck and we put
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: two drawer sideways at the front of the truck, right
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: behind the bulkhead, and we completely grenaded the the latches
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: and completely granated even the ball bearings on the drawer.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Guy's just Discinega's ball bearings all over his floor. Yeah,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: and the drawers laying on the floor.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: But but it's natural to want to do that because
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: that's just really speaking, that's where your length is. The
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: front to back is your length, and then you're with
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: is just not as much. So you're like, okay, it's well,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: it's that it's that troopy style build out that we
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: were talking about. Yeah, you've got you've got the cabinets,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: on the one side. Of course, they're going to pull out. Yeah,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, pull out to the.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: Inside, the pull towards the inside, because that's where you're standing.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: It's like your kitchen. Yeah, right, so you want to
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: have that functionality going in and out because that's where
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: you're standing. But I usually recommend just as few as possible.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of drawers. Yeah, but on that
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: kind of build as few as possible. Right, put it
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: on a shelf, put a bag in there. And if
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: you are going to do it, like figure out some
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: way to keep stuff from rolling around and bouncing around. Right.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: That's another real easy fix is don't put stuff in
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: that has a lot of chance to move front to
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: back or left right, because if you control that, you're
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: you're elimiting. It's like a dead blow hammer, just over
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: and over and over again, just beating everything to death.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And you guys have those kind of like drawer
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: inserts that you can kind of adjust.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the remxx Yeah, those are pretty cool.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: That's something that I think I might add because I
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: noticed my drawers are usually like empty, but I'll throw
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: like a lantern or like I actually like keep my
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: mountain bike stuff in there. Yeah, like Laura and I
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: basically during when the Granador is not doing something, that's
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: our mountain bike truck. Ye, and there's always a water
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: bottle or something rocking back and forth. Like it's that
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I never never really thought about it. I mean I have,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: but that's side to side motion. That's just so repetitive
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: and it kind of gets good.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's where all the damage comes. So yeah,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: this stuff remix and we sell that Paul made equip
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: sells at each other people. But yeah, it's that stuff
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: works great. It also works great because you can cut
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: its length, you can create your own dividers, and this
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: is great for DIY people. Right. It doesn't have to
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: go on our drawers, It goes any drawers. Yeah, and
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: you can get it from any from Paul, from us,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: from all kinds of different people. But it just also
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: creates a layer layer of insulation from noise because it's
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: foam lined, and so it absorbs whatever's in your drawer
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: that's rattling. You don't even hear it outside the drawer. Yeah,
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: because it's absorbing.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Your stuff's not too bad with like that Baltic birch ply.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The Birch helps.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: I've been in some vehicles that have like aluminum drawers
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: and one just generally not a fan aluminum. When things
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: are braided against it, it's the moment you get through
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: that coating, everything just turns black and filled with dust. Like, yeah,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I had some aluminum cases when we did the Dempster
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Highway and that's you know, the total trip was ten
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: fifteen thousand miles or something, and it's everything inside of
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the aluminum was like black wrecked.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's the powder that the aluminum turns to
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: powder and then it just gets on everything.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, jeez. It's it's these simple, these
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: simple principles that that side to side thing. If there's
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: one more thing that you'd kind of like you see
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: people do, whether that's in fans and pickups in SUVs,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: like what is that other thing that is like the
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: glaring like simple observation that you have.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean on all of those, one thing
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: that we see a lot of and we get a
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: lot of request for, is people are like, oh, hey,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: you know, do you make a drawer that goes all
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: the way front to back. Well, that's a big drawer.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: It requires a big set of drawer guides, and that
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: really requires a different type of construction if you want
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: it to last. We even build our drawers differently. When
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: we get into the bigger drawers, we don't build them
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: like the other ones. So the probably the one thing
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: is everyone wants to have these big, massive drawers that
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: pull all the way out of the back of their
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: pickup bed where they will have a big draw it
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: pulls all the way from the well.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll see the guys that do like the like
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: guys or girls that do the beds that bedslide or whatever. Yeah,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: the thing is your whole thing comes out and then
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: they'll put on top of that. And then I've even
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: seen a fridge slide on top of that, and I'm like,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: my dude, you have like twenty feet of extension of
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: extension like like like okay, kind of cool, but like
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking that this is lifting the front tires off figurehut.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah there is something to that. Yeah.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: So like if you don't need a big drawer that big, right,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: it comes down to what are you doing. I mean,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: if you're like constantly were doing trail work and you're
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: restoring trails and you might need that drawer. If you're
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: a contractor, yeah, you might have a bunch of tools,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: but if you're just going camping, like you can do
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: a half drawer and then just have storage space in
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: front of it that you can put bags in, or
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: gear or your recoveryear or your tools. Stuff that you
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be looking at every single day anyway, hopefully, but
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: you're gonna need your kitchen, yeah, right, so put all
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: that stuff in the back and maybe just do a
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: half a drawer and then just make storage in front
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: of it. You can still use the same box.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always something like you can kind of like
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: hide in little spaces like my I'm like on my system,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: like I put that I have the drawer fridge and
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: there's what maybe like ten inches of space behind it,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: eight inches of space behind it. Yeah, I was able
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: to put a little lithium battery back there and take
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: use of that space.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: You put a little lithium battery back there, not four
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: hundred amp hours of battery, yeah, which is a whole
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: different conversation. But like people are overbuilding to the end degree,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: like they're just going crazy.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Particularly with electrical systems, Like it's it's become in Vogue,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Like I was talking to me last night. That's doing
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: a red arc manager thirty in their Lexus GX and
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's meant for a trailer, dude, or like
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: a slide in camper, Like, where are you putting all
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: of this? Yeah, it's you know stuff you don't You
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: don't need four hundred amp hours. I mean that would
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: run a fridge like a like a demetic fridge is
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: like what one or two amps per hour on average?
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: A couple of amps maybe per hour? Yeah, yeah, amp hours, Yeah,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: a couple hours.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Like do you need it to run, you know, until
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: the next election.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Right, it's a valid question, right, I mean if you're
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: holding out for that long, then yeah, maybe you need
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: to Yeah. Yeah, it's you know, less is and more
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: with everything, right, So just do a half drawer in
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: the back, do just the power system you need. And
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: another thing that we see this is a good one. Actually,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: now that comes to mind is we get this comment
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: a lot. Well, why don't you, you know, make everything
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: wall to wall and box everything in. It's like you
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: can do that, but my recovery bag fits perfectly to
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: the left of my kitchen in that little space where you.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Have to also have to have the jacket, the little
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: the little you find a little a little jacket in there.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: And that stuff. Like everyone wants to get this thing
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: to where in a lot of a lot of DIY.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: They do it because they're building it right. But there's
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: something fun to that, right, making it all custom.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: Tailored and very specific. But if you.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Don't have a way to access that space quickly and easily,
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: it's really dead space, right, So leaving the space around
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: there or even you know on a drawer system, any
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: of our drawer systems, there's there's a natural in the
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: second back the back seat, you know, the second row.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: It has a lean to it and then the drawers
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: are vertical, so it creates a triangle back there. So
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: like in my other truck, I kept all my tools.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: There with the Grenadier Factory toolkit fits perfectly in that
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: little space.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: For ye and it's perfect and it's secure and you
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: don't have to worry about in an accident or something like that.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: Hopefully God willing nothing that happens. But like let's see
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: you roll over or you get an accident. Those tools
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: which are heavy and metal, aren't flying around the vehicle
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: because they're in a triangle, like a locked in triangle,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: which keeps them secure. Like, that's not space you need
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: to I don't think you need to make a drawer
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: that follows that angle and has a funky angle on
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: the drawer, because it's a great use of that space
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: in other ways.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like it maybe it seems cool when you're just
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: kind of keeking out designing it, but do you really
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: need to work that hard on it.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: No, you're just adding more weight, right, And I've seen
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: people do it where they put cubbies or the you know,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: the custom building. And we did it for one of
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: the guys that worked for Uce one time. He's like,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I wanted to go all the way this way and
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: follow this angle and it's okay, we did it, and
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: it's like, okay, we just added a lot of money,
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: even at our cost, and a lot of time and
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: a lot of extra weight, whereas you could have just
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: thrown your bags in there and been done. Yeah, So
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: don't don't overthink it. Yeah right, there's a lot overthinking
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: those spaces that are there, all those lone nooks and
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: crannies you can make use of.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: So many little little pearls of wisdom from mister Interior.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Try and try it.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I can't wait to see what goes on
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: with your grenadier. You're you're hoping to unveil that later
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: this year.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll definitely haven't done last year, you know,
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: hoping crossing the Fingers Expo Mountain West will have it
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: done and on display. That's even know when that event
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: is end of August.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: There's like so many of them now.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: There's only twenty two.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: There's only twenty two.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so every other week it's.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: Crazy like for small like most of the businesses in
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: this industry are not that large, and it's like if
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: you went to every event, you'd have to have a
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: full time staff to do all of them. Like it's
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: a little crazy.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the expos are a lot already. At five a year,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: that's a lot. I think that's kind of like that's
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: our max. Like anything past this and.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: That's a big thing is nice, is like it's starting
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: to be at these these bigger shows that you're just
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: getting like you know, I'm not seeing even like internal
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: marketing staff, Like how many of the boots did I
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: see at West.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: That were just like hired hired temps? Hired temps yeah,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: or hired sales marketing people. Yeah, yeah, it's there's a
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: lot more of that going on. Yeah, it's interesting. But
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: as consolidations happen, all that stuff starts getting a little
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: bit different.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well we appreciate you coming on. I can't
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: wait to see what goes on with the Grenadier. I'm
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: eagerly awaiting it's it's it's completion me too as are.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of people that have the pop
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: tops and everything. So yes, you can find out more
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: about Brian through his company, Goose Gear. I think your
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: social was just Goose Gear, Goose Gear, and I just
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: can't thank you enough for coming on.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Man, No, man, my pleasure, super happy to be here.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Great podcast, man, it's.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: A great podcast.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: You guys are awesome.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I have a podcast. It has become a little cliche
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: having a podcast. I feel like we've been doing it
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: since before it was cool. We're like the India band.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys have also it's you know, you guys
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: know what you're doing. So there's good intel here.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: AI I don't actually exist.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the robot controller.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Paul is my robot controller. I am AI
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: and on that bombshell. Yes, thanks for listening to the
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Over the Journal podcast. I'm your host, Matt Scott. Brian
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Fulton from Goose Gear was here and we'll see you
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: next time.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Thank you,