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Normally Podcast: Charlie Kirk’s Murder, Media Spin, and Talking to Kids About Political Violence · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, they are back to normal. The show with
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Speaker 1: normal it takes for when the news gets weird.
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Speaker 2: I like that, and I'm Karl Marcowitz.
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Speaker 3: We remain at normally consumed with the murder of Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure that is true for a lot of you
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Speaker 2: out there.
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Speaker 3: Hear from a lot of my normy friends whose jobs
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Speaker 3: are not in politics, who are not online all the time,
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Speaker 3: that they really can't stop thinking about Charlie and what happened,
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Speaker 3: and it's affected them so much.
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Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about it some more today, And.
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Speaker 3: Today we're going to start with why did the killer
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Speaker 3: did this and all the different reasons that crazy people
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Speaker 3: on the internet have invented for it.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Yeah. There has been an attempt to sort
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Speaker 1: of make sure that everyone left of center and anyone
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Speaker 1: else they can grab, understands that a groyper, a right
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Speaker 1: leaning far right person is the person who perpetrated this crime. Now,
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Speaker 1: those same people will tell you, oh, we must be
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Speaker 1: very measured and slow to come to conclusions about motives.
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Speaker 1: I will grant you that, right, Like, there's an Okham's
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Speaker 1: raiser here where if someone's killing Charlie Kirk, I think
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Speaker 1: we can guess what that person's political leanings and motives
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Speaker 1: might be. But there are assassinations that happen that are
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Speaker 1: just a crazy person. Jared Laffner shooting Gabby Gifford's is one.
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Speaker 1: Hinckley shooting Reagan is one. These were not politically motivated,
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Speaker 1: but they are assassination attempts.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: In this case, we now have evidence that it was
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Speaker 1: not some far right leaning person or someone who agreed
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Speaker 1: super hard with Charlie Kirk. It was, in fact a
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Speaker 1: left leaning young man in a relationship with a trans
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Speaker 1: boyfriend or somebody who was in the process of transitioning.
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Speaker 1: We have texts between the two of them released by
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Speaker 1: law enforcement to that effect, saying I did it because
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Speaker 1: I couldn't take his hate. Some hate you can't negotiate
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Speaker 1: out of.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was pretty clear there.
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Speaker 3: I'll say that you know, this lie that it was
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Speaker 3: somebody on the right that did this is effective. There
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Speaker 3: was a y goov survey released where the question was,
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Speaker 3: as far as you know, is the person who shot
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Speaker 3: Charliekirk dot dot dot question mark a Democrat twenty one percent,
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Speaker 3: a Republican twenty four percent, not sure? Was forty percent,
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Speaker 3: but more people think the person who shot Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 3: was a Republican than think he was a Democrat.
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Speaker 2: That's a problem, and.
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Speaker 1: It's on purpose. It's on purpose.
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Speaker 3: It's clear that the media is not just not doing
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Speaker 3: its job of educating the public letting people know what
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Speaker 3: really happened, but they're covering up what really happened. They're
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Speaker 3: lying about what really happened, and it matters.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I think I've written before, and I think it might
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Speaker 1: have been into discussion that when there is left wing violence,
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Speaker 1: that's very very clear, they either erase it entirely so
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Speaker 1: they can move on, or they alchemize it into right
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Speaker 1: wing violence. Right, So this is a great example of
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Speaker 1: them sort of just turning it into right wing violence
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Speaker 1: when there is no evidence of that. And by the way,
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Speaker 1: I would like to shout out Will Stancil, who is
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Speaker 1: a a very left leaning writer who is over on
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Speaker 1: Blue Sky fighting the good fight, to say.
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Speaker 2: Guys holding back the horns.
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Speaker 1: It's like to say, guys, you have fooled yourself into
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Speaker 1: believing this thing that's not real. There is zero evidence
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Speaker 1: that this person is a groper, and there is significant
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Speaker 1: evidence that he is a left leaning person who was
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Speaker 1: radicalized into shooting someone for his beliefs. That's quite clear,
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Speaker 1: So shout out to him for that. Jimmy Kimmel, on
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Speaker 1: the other hand, really taken the first theory and running
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Speaker 1: with it. Here he is on late night TV It's.
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Speaker 5: New Lows over the weekend with the Magga Gang desperately
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Speaker 5: trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as
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Speaker 5: anything other than one of them and do everything they
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Speaker 5: can to score political points from it. In between the
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Speaker 5: finger pointing, there was grieving. On Friday, the White House
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Speaker 5: flew the flags at half staff, which got some criticism,
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Speaker 5: but on a human level, you can see how hard
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Speaker 5: the President is taking this a adults on the lock.
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Speaker 1: Of your friend Charlie Kirk, Sir personally, how are you
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Speaker 1: holding up for the last day and a half, sirve.
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Speaker 3: I think very good. And by the way, right there
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Speaker 3: you see all the trucks.
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Speaker 1: They just started construction.
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Speaker 5: Of the new ball room for the White House, which.
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Speaker 6: Is something they've been trying to get.
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Speaker 5: As you know, for about one hundred and fifty years,
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Speaker 5: and it's going to be a beauty. Yes, he's at
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Speaker 5: the fourth stage of grief. Construction, the demolition.
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Speaker 1: Construction.
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Speaker 5: This is not how an adult griefs the murderer of
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Speaker 5: somebody called a friend. This is how a four year
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Speaker 5: old mourns a goldfish.
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Speaker 1: Okay, the right's response, or was the new low the
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Speaker 1: murdering of a political opponent for speaking on a campus?
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Speaker 1: Because I think that was the low.
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Speaker 3: If you want to talk a new new low, it's
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Speaker 3: the left pretending it was the right, Jimmy Kimmel pretending
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Speaker 3: it was maga.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what is the argument here that this.
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Speaker 3: Guy just loved Charlie Kirk so much he wanted to
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Speaker 3: kill him, Like, is that really what we're going with?
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Speaker 1: Like he killed them well, and some of the arguments
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Speaker 1: from the left are that he engraved things on the
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Speaker 1: bullets to set up the left. Randy Weingarten, head of
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Speaker 1: the Teacher's Union and famously democratically aligned national figure who
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Speaker 1: gets to write their policies for them, she put out
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Speaker 1: like the false flag narrative in detail from some a poster.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, she was like, let me amplify this to everyone,
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Speaker 1: and someone read this. Some of you read this as
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Speaker 1: a false flag. So I'm going to take it down. Know,
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Speaker 1: we just read what you posted.
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Speaker 3: Yeah about your post seracy theories.
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Speaker 2: She's all about it.
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Speaker 3: During COVID she said that Ron DeSantis was hiding COVID deaths.
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Speaker 3: I mean, she's often at the at the forefront of that.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, it is.
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Speaker 3: It makes no sense, and it's so disingenuous. And again,
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Speaker 3: what's the most unfortunate about it is that it's working.
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Speaker 3: And I think if you're getting your news from mainstream media,
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Speaker 3: which is a crazy thing to do.
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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty five, double check it, double check it.
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Speaker 3: Friends, it isn't you know without question that they could
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Speaker 3: easily lie to you, and a lot of them are
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Speaker 3: doing just that.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to add Kaitlin Collins here, she was interviewing
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Speaker 1: Ted Cruz and he was saying, you know, the motive
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Speaker 1: is clearly what the motive is, which the law enforcement
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Speaker 1: is doing a press conference and informing us of in
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Speaker 1: texts that they have released. The man is alive, by
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Speaker 1: the way, he will continue to talk to law enforcement. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: thereby disproving this nonsense. And Caitlin Collins would not back
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Speaker 1: down from the idea that there is no motive established
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Speaker 1: that you know that what those texts are different from
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Speaker 1: establishing a motive Senator, Senator. There are lots of instances
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Speaker 1: of political violence, and she name checked Melissa Hortman, who's
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Speaker 1: terrible murder in Minnesota happened earlier this year. Again, like
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Speaker 1: Hinckley and Reagan, not politically motivated, this was a guy
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Speaker 1: who thought Waltz was telling him to murder a member
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Speaker 1: of the Minnesota House or Senate, like, this is not
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Speaker 1: the same thing. She also mentioned Pelosi's husband, again not
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Speaker 1: politically motivated. A weird incident, but not politically motivated. And third,
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Speaker 1: she mentioned in the phrase and the phrasing was a
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Speaker 1: tax on Democrats. She mentioned the assassination at on Brett Kavanaugh.
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Speaker 1: So magically, yet another thing has been alchemized somehow into
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Speaker 1: our fault being shot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of people are also picking up the
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Speaker 3: Josh Shapiro having his house spurned down, also a leftist,
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Speaker 3: also a three Palestine leftists. So this is why it's
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Speaker 3: kind of tough even today to be a conservative because
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Speaker 3: the mainstream media, once it gets going, it's very hard
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Speaker 3: to stop the narrative. And I think we're going to
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Speaker 3: do our best, but if you're hearing that this is
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Speaker 3: a conservative who shot Charlie Kirk, because they just you know,
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Speaker 3: he just loved the way he magot and he wanted
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Speaker 3: a mago with.
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Speaker 2: Him, and he wanted to kill him.
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Speaker 3: That makes no sense at all.
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Speaker 2: I'll say that.
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Speaker 3: On the right there is some of this where some
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Speaker 3: real lunatics are saying that Israel killed Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 2: Again, why why would they kill somebody who was such
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Speaker 2: a huge supporter.
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Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they Again, nobody's suggesting that anybody should die
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Speaker 3: for their beliefs, But why would they go after somebody
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Speaker 3: who loved them as opposed to all the people who
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Speaker 3: hate them?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: That why are all those people safe?
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Speaker 1: That is a mystery, Like, that's the thing. None of
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Speaker 1: this passes the smell test. Let me also mention that
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Speaker 1: Nera Tanden Democratic operative who was on a CNN panel,
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Speaker 1: was talking with a young conservative woman, Brianna Lyman, who
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Speaker 1: did a great job, and Brianna mentioned, Hey, there are
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Speaker 1: three assassination investigations slash trials happening right now. Luigi Mangioni,
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Speaker 1: Ryan Ralph and Tyler Robinson. What do all three of
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Speaker 1: those have in common? They were political assassinations and assassination
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Speaker 1: attempts by the left, and Neira Tanden laughed. This young
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Speaker 1: woman was saying, we have to worry about this. My
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Speaker 1: young friends who speak on campusers are the ones who
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Speaker 1: have to worry about this. Near Tanna laughed at her
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Speaker 1: and said, there's a lot of trials for political violence
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Speaker 1: going on. Ca come up with any off the top
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Speaker 1: of her. She can't come up with any. But they
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Speaker 1: won't even let you have your mourning. They won't let
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Speaker 1: you have your fear. They won't legitimize any of it.
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Speaker 1: And the one person who's going above and beyond will
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Speaker 1: stancl We already named check as reclined going above and
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Speaker 1: beyond to say not only was Charlie Kirk doing this
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Speaker 1: the right way, I will encourage more of it, and
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Speaker 1: I will have people like Charlie and people living out
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Speaker 1: his legacy on my show to engage with them. And
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Speaker 1: he is getting dreamed for it.
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Speaker 3: I would say that, you know, I'm pleased that those
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Speaker 3: two are doing it.
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Speaker 2: They're a surprising duo for this.
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Speaker 3: But you know, when the right needs self policing, there
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Speaker 3: are a lot of people on the right willing to
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Speaker 3: do it. It wouldn't be just two, it would be
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Speaker 3: multitude of people writing. I think piece is about this
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Speaker 3: is not who we are, and I'd love to see
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Speaker 3: the left step up a little bit.
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Speaker 1: A really good example of that was yesterday when Pam
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Speaker 1: Bondi stepped in it twice by totally messing up the
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Speaker 1: idea of the First Amendment and hate speech, and the
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Speaker 1: entire right came down on her and Trump up to
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Speaker 1: and including a bunch of people saying maybe she should
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Speaker 1: get fired for this. I mean, like we do the
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Speaker 1: thing that is the thing, that is something we can do,
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Speaker 1: and some argue we do it too often. But in
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Speaker 1: this case, I do think she was really wrong about this.
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Speaker 2: Totally agree.
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Speaker 1: to talk to you about something that's close to both
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Speaker 1: carols in my hearts. It was nearly two years ago
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Speaker 1: that terrorists murdered more than twelve hundred innocent Israelis and
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Speaker 1: took two hundred and fifty hostages. Today, it seems as
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Speaker 1: if the cries of the dead and dying have been
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Speaker 1: drowned out by shouts of anti Semitic hatred, and the
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Speaker 1: most brutal attack on Jewish people since the Holocaust has
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Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more normally.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to normally where we're going to be getting
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Speaker 3: into how the left has been conducting itself after the
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Speaker 3: assassination of Charlie Kirk. And I will for one say
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Speaker 3: not well, not well with the behavior since his murder.
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Speaker 3: What do you say, Mary Katherine?
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Speaker 1: Look, the issue is again, I think if it were
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Speaker 1: me right and this happened the other way around, I
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Speaker 1: would be doing everything I could because once someone is
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Speaker 1: more for their beliefs. It's not enough just to be
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Speaker 1: like that was bad, right. You have to make sure
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Speaker 1: that the people who are in Charlie's position, or whoever
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Speaker 1: the analog is on the left feel free to speak.
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Speaker 1: You have to go above and beyond to say I
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Speaker 1: want to make sure you are safe, right, I want
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Speaker 1: to make sure you have space to make your arguments.
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Speaker 1: And the left is so far from that. It is
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Speaker 1: all the way around to making fun of us or
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Speaker 1: celebrating the murders. That's how far off they are from it.
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Speaker 1: And then they will do the other thing, which is
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Speaker 1: deny that any of the bad behavior is happening.
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Speaker 5: Right.
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Speaker 3: It's infuriating, it really is. You know, look, a lot
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Speaker 3: of people have said a lot.
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Speaker 2: Of stupid things.
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Speaker 3: I really haven't highlighted most of them. But there was
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Speaker 3: a video that libs of TikTok posted yesterday.
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Speaker 2: That really affected me. It was a guy.
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Speaker 3: They were holding a vigil and this guy and his
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Speaker 3: friends were coming in and like tapping their necks and
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Speaker 3: you know, imitating Charlie.
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Speaker 1: Having to die.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it really really pissed me off, and I
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Speaker 3: tweeted about it, like I'm supposed to be hoped that
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Speaker 3: this guy's life isn't ruined.
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Speaker 2: What am I supposed to want him to be? My dentist,
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Speaker 2: my kid's teacher. Be serious.
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Speaker 3: A lot of people are saying that we should have
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Speaker 3: some grace. What if this person apologizes? You know, I
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Speaker 3: think this person should apologize. I think that that's what
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Speaker 3: should happen. It was at Texas State University. Apparently the
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Speaker 3: student has been expelled. I have a real hard time
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Speaker 3: feeling sorry for him. I have a real hard time
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Speaker 3: and I just, you know, sorry. I'll just say one thing.
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Speaker 3: I have a column in you know, Wednesday's New York
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Speaker 3: Post about how Democrats should step up and say something,
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Speaker 3: and a line that got cut I think for space was,
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Speaker 3: you know, the idea that we would work with people
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Speaker 3: who have ideas like this. I get we shouldn't be
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Speaker 3: blanket firing. I get people say dumb stuff, but like,
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Speaker 3: what if you say something they disagree.
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Speaker 1: With at lunch, like what happened?
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Speaker 3: What are they going to do to you? Like what
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Speaker 3: if they wouldn't murder you? What if they would just
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Speaker 3: beat you up after work? It's not crazy that they
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Speaker 3: think that violence is the answer to words that they
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Speaker 3: don't like.
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Speaker 2: That you're going to have to watch what.
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Speaker 3: You say, and that's the society that none of us
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Speaker 3: should want.
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Speaker 6: To live in.
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Speaker 1: I would also add that that student, if you are
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Speaker 1: told that that student was merely expelled for his views,
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Speaker 1: he also trampled things at that event, spit and used
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Speaker 1: a racial slur, apparently violating several of the school's rules,
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Speaker 1: and so that you know, it was a little bit
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Speaker 1: more than just saying things or pantomiming gross things. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think there's this thing where to the left, and
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Speaker 1: I think it's particularly notable here in the trans community.
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Speaker 1: Especially mis gendering is an act of violence that is
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Speaker 1: worthy of all sorts of punishment, the most punishment, whereas
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Speaker 1: actually wishing violence upon someone and celebrating violence for a
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Speaker 1: disagreement is not even close. Toupun amazing, right, yeah, really, really,
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Speaker 1: that's amazing. And look, I do think there's also an
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Speaker 1: issue of, just as you point out, emotional self control
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Speaker 1: with these folks, like there was a whole group of
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Speaker 1: people outside of Luigi Mangioni's trial. First of all, you're
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Speaker 1: spending your day outside of Luigi Mangioni's trial of the
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Speaker 1: one of the charges was dropped, a terrorism charge. I
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Speaker 1: think he still would be facing stiff charges regardless. The
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Speaker 1: people outside allegedly sort of normal people wearing Luigi hats, which,
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Speaker 1: by the way, is a smear to Luigi and Mario's
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Speaker 1: the good the good character of Mario and Luigi's plumbing business.
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Speaker 1: But they're out there wearing the Luigi hats and they
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Speaker 1: all cheer. And you're telling me that I need to
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Speaker 1: be happy to work with the people who sheer actual murderers.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's an emotional regulation sewer that I'm
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Speaker 1: not going near.
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Speaker 3: Right, and the idea of that, like he didn't like
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Speaker 3: what insurance companies, how insurance companies treat people, so he
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Speaker 3: got to just kill a random ceo, Like can we
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Speaker 3: just kill people that we don't approve of what job
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Speaker 3: they do? I mean, this is where you are now,
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Speaker 3: and this is what you're defending. And again I so
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Speaker 3: in my column, I you know, I really do think
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Speaker 3: that democrats owe it to our society to bring that
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Speaker 3: temperature down. Recognize that this is on your side. This
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Speaker 3: is happening only on the left. I'm not saying the
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Speaker 3: right is perfect. Lots of problems on the right, but
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Speaker 3: this is celeborting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is on the left.
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Speaker 1: I just don't see this on the right. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to crib a point from my good friend Michael moynihan,
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Speaker 1: who he's You can get out of the morass of
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Speaker 1: arguing about who did this, for what reason? Who does
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Speaker 1: and counting them up. You know how you know it's
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Speaker 1: a left problem. You know it's a left problem because
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Speaker 1: the left repeatedly valorizes and institutionally rewards actual, literal, convicted
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Speaker 1: domestic terrorists and murderers by making them college professors. Yep,
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Speaker 1: they have jobs in academia because and they're not repentant.
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Speaker 1: Bill Airs and Bernadine Dorn are not are not repentant
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Speaker 1: for having tried to blow up a rotzy dance filled
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Speaker 1: with active duty military in a dance hall. Yeah, Kathy
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Speaker 1: bud On or however you say her last name is
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Speaker 1: not like she killed a Brinks truck driver and was
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Speaker 1: part of this conspiracy that killed a Brinks truck driver.
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Speaker 1: Innocent guy Angela Davis, weapons used in several murders, like
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Speaker 1: served time for a felony. These protect people. These are
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Speaker 1: people who you have elevated and you tell young people
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Speaker 1: on campus that they are people worth listening to. It's
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Speaker 1: not even rare. They're all over the place.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 3: It's also like they can't criticize these protesters and these
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Speaker 3: people who are celebrating the murder because they will have
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Speaker 3: to first admit that they exist, and they don't seem
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Speaker 3: like they're willing.
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Speaker 1: To do that.
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Speaker 3: We're gonna play a clip from Scott Jennings, who just
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Speaker 3: is does really heroic work at CNN taking on the
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Speaker 3: batshit crazy.
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Speaker 2: Let's roll the clip.
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Speaker 5: Everybody here acknowledges that there have been thousands upon thousands
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Speaker 5: of people, ordinary people, who have taken to social media
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Speaker 5: to celebrate this.
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Speaker 1: Yes or no, I don't know about that.
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Speaker 4: I don't.
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Speaker 6: Second. I just think we should just there's we got
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Speaker 6: to be factual about this, right. I don't think you
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Speaker 6: know the scope. I don't know the scope, but I
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Speaker 6: do think that we have to distinguish between random people
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Speaker 6: in the world and something that is a dominant issue
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Speaker 6: because the.
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Speaker 1: Person who a person in the world. You know, here's
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Speaker 1: the thing that's the danger.
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Speaker 5: You dismissed the random people the world. They have access.
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Speaker 6: We assassinations in hate this country. There have been political
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Speaker 6: assassinations in this country before. Scott, wouldn't you agree, and
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Speaker 6: they're all comprehensible. And in this country, do you believe
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Speaker 6: that in those political assassinations in the sixties and the
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Speaker 6: seventies and the eighties assassination attempts, that there were no
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Speaker 6: Americans who cheered that on. I think the question anything,
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Speaker 6: the question is whether it's gilla, whether or not it happens.
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Speaker 6: The question is whether or not we need to place
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Speaker 6: that at the very center of our political world right
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Speaker 6: now and categorize half the people in the country according
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Speaker 6: to those random people that we now just happened to
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Speaker 6: see because.
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Speaker 1: Of the she's working so hard. It's to depend people
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Speaker 1: who celebrated the murder of Charlie Kirk. She's working so hard.
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Speaker 3: She's gone back to the is to say, I'm sure
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Speaker 3: there are people that celebrated here too. We just didn't
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Speaker 3: find out about it because of the internet, which is
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Speaker 3: the only thing they've put it on the Internet.
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Speaker 1: Yes, they've broadcast that she's working so hard. If I
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Speaker 1: were in that position, by the way, and it were flipped,
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to use me as the example because
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Speaker 1: I do the same job that these folks do. And
21:08
Speaker 1: you brought up that people on the right had celebrated
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Speaker 1: the death of someone killed for their beliefs. You know
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Speaker 1: what I would do, I'd be like, that's the most
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Speaker 1: horrific thing I've seen this. Yeah, I condemn it in
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Speaker 1: the strongest possible terms. I do not want to be
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Speaker 1: associated with it in any way, shape or form. I
21:30
Speaker 1: think it exists in too many places. Just do the thing,
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Speaker 1: Just do the decent easy Paul right, and they can't
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Speaker 1: do it.
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Speaker 3: There was a yugo of poll a few days ago
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Speaker 3: that found thirty four percent of liberal or very liberal
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Speaker 3: people say it's acceptable to be happy about a public
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Speaker 3: figure's death. Only seven percent of conservatives or very conservative
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Speaker 3: people agree.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, that is.
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Speaker 1: A widespread hues.
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Speaker 3: Don't say that this is something normal that oh, you know,
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Speaker 3: in the eighties people also felt like this. These people
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Speaker 3: posted it on the Internet for everybody to see.
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Speaker 1: When she brings up assassinations of other decades, also like
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Speaker 1: Kennedy was assassinated by a COMMI right who didn't like
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Speaker 1: that he was an anti COMMI.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, continues to be leftists.
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Speaker 1: Well, and we have been gas lit about that for decades,
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Speaker 1: saying that it was Dallas's right wing stew that created
22:24
Speaker 1: this defected to the USSR commie shooter, which wasn't true.
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Speaker 1: R FK killed by a Palestinian activist. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: just can we, just as she requests, deal in facts? Yeah,
22:38
Speaker 1: can we deal in facts?
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Speaker 2: But they don't.
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Speaker 3: They just don't. And the thing is the left just
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Speaker 3: gets to say whatever they want. Could they could say, oh,
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Speaker 3: what are you talking about? There have not been thousands
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Speaker 3: of people on the internet celebrating the death.
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Speaker 2: What do you even say?
22:52
Speaker 3: Or Randy Weingarten continues to use words like fascists to
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Speaker 3: describe people that she disagrees with, and that's supposed to
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Speaker 3: some how, you know, be okay.
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Speaker 1: It just she's at that. This week, she's doing her
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Speaker 1: book tour about how teachers are the antidote to fascism.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I guess people who don't remember four years ago
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Speaker 3: will maybe believe that because I remember her fascist shutting
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Speaker 3: down of schools and then and then shutting down the
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Speaker 3: opinions of anybody who disagreed with her, and working with
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Speaker 3: the media to do it, you know, and the government obviously,
23:30
Speaker 3: but with the media, they helped her, and they made
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Speaker 3: sure that people were misinformed about what was actually going on,
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Speaker 3: so that Randy Winegarden could get her.
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Speaker 1: Way, yes, you know, or left, she's going to go
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Speaker 1: all around the country and be like the fascists who
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Speaker 1: live in this country are the problem, and they're all
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Speaker 1: just gonna talk about it all day long. Gleefully, let's
23:54
Speaker 1: take a.
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Speaker 3: Short break and we'll be right back on normally talking
23:57
Speaker 3: about how to talk to your kids about this.
24:02
Speaker 1: We are back on normally, and I'm actually gonna toss
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Speaker 1: around some ideas ask for some advice, because I don't
24:08
Speaker 1: usually run into the issue of not knowing how to
24:11
Speaker 1: talk to my kids about something. Often I feel pretty
24:14
Speaker 1: confident about what I can take a pass on and
24:17
Speaker 1: it's too grown up for them, or things that we
24:19
Speaker 1: need to address and that kind of thing. But I
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Speaker 1: find that my values are colliding here because I want
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Speaker 1: my kids to know the importance of speech, the importance
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Speaker 1: of someone like Charlie. They were too young to really
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Speaker 1: watch him or know who he was. They don't do
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Speaker 1: a lot of internet access, but they are old enough
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Speaker 1: to be scared for me, and they are going to
24:39
Speaker 1: clock right away that Charlie's job was Mom's job, and
24:43
Speaker 1: that when I travel to do it, you know, it's
24:46
Speaker 1: not that it's not that satisfying to be like, it's
24:49
Speaker 1: statistically improbable that doing my job. I don't know how
24:53
Speaker 1: deep to go with this with them, but I think
24:56
Speaker 1: it's really important that they understand it also.
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Speaker 3: And it's also the but even if you don't do
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Speaker 3: what we do, we tell our kids to stand up
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Speaker 3: for their opinions, to say what they really think, to
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Speaker 3: be fearless in their lives, to be brave. And here
25:10
Speaker 3: with somebody who was fearless. And here's somebody who was brave.
25:12
Speaker 3: And here's somebody who was saying what he really thought
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Speaker 3: and living his faith and doing all the things that
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Speaker 3: we tell our kids to do, and he was killed
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Speaker 3: for it.
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Speaker 2: It's very, very hard.
25:23
Speaker 3: I think also, as your kids get older, they're going
25:26
Speaker 3: to hear about things you know before you get a
25:29
Speaker 3: chance to fill it in. So like what you're saying
25:31
Speaker 3: to them now lays the basis for later, and it's
25:35
Speaker 3: a really tough call. I don't know. I think that
25:38
Speaker 3: I know you're doing a great job, and I think
25:41
Speaker 3: that having an open line of communication with your kids
25:44
Speaker 3: where they could tell you, Mom, i'm afraid for you,
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Speaker 3: is the best result.
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Speaker 2: It's what you want.
25:51
Speaker 3: You want them to be able to tell you their
25:54
Speaker 3: fears and what they're really thinking about.
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Speaker 1: No, that's a fair point. We were kind of in
25:59
Speaker 1: this little bubble of being on a family trip when
26:02
Speaker 1: this happened, as you guys were as well, and so
26:05
Speaker 1: I didn't broach it then, but I have broached it
26:07
Speaker 1: lightly since, and I probably do need to have like
26:10
Speaker 1: a you know, like a sit down with them where
26:12
Speaker 1: they could toss around some ideas about it, because they're
26:15
Speaker 1: old enough to metabolize it. They're old enough to think
26:19
Speaker 1: about it, and they're old enough to think about, you know,
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Speaker 1: and to hear about why speech is important, why standing
26:24
Speaker 1: up for yourself is important, Like it's actually more important
26:26
Speaker 1: that I go do my job, yeah than it was
26:28
Speaker 1: lasting exactly. Since this is a hard subject, I want
26:31
Speaker 1: to uplift us with Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins
26:34
Speaker 1: talking to Bill Maher about parenthood. And I also saw
26:38
Speaker 1: a clip from Bob Odenkirk of Better Call Saul and
26:42
Speaker 1: Breaking Bad Fame talking about parenthood recently too, and he
26:45
Speaker 1: said the great thing about parenting young children is that
26:48
Speaker 1: you never have to wonder what your purpose is because
26:51
Speaker 1: your purpose is right in front of you all the time.
26:53
Speaker 1: And she said he was actually jealous of people who
26:56
Speaker 1: have young kids in their house because they don't have
26:58
Speaker 1: to worry about their own vanity and their ambitions and there,
27:01
Speaker 1: which is like such a nice frame if you're living
27:04
Speaker 1: in it feels like hmmm, sy wethink it. But here's
27:08
Speaker 1: here's Billy Corgan talking about parenthood in a beautiful way.
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Speaker 1: And I'm loving this trend. I hope we can see
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Speaker 1: more of it.
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Speaker 4: I had a million dollars by the time I was
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Speaker 4: twenty four years old. Okay. A year before that, I
27:19
Speaker 4: was making twelve thousand dollars a year working at a
27:21
Speaker 4: record store, and I was broke. So I'm a million
27:24
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, we grew up in a time
27:25
Speaker 4: where millionaire. These days millionaires not doesn't mean as much.
27:28
Speaker 4: But the word millionaire still meant something in my brain
27:30
Speaker 4: when I was twenty years old. So I have a
27:31
Speaker 4: million dollars when I'm twenty four years old. By the
27:34
Speaker 4: time I'm twenty six, I'm TV Platinum Records, Sarahight Live Cover,
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Speaker 4: Rolling Stone. I mean I basically did by my mid twenties,
27:43
Speaker 4: like most of the checklists.
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Speaker 2: All the bucks, okay, and I.
27:47
Speaker 4: Never felt this sense of satisfaction about it, and I
27:51
Speaker 4: couldn't quite understand why because everybody around me is like,
27:54
Speaker 4: this is fucking incredible, and I was like, it is
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Speaker 4: and it isn't okay. So to answer your question, the
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Speaker 4: problem with all of it is transactional because no matter
28:03
Speaker 4: how many hit songs you write, it's always what about
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Speaker 4: the next one. No matter how many records you're sold,
28:09
Speaker 4: there's always somebody's going to sell more records than you.
28:11
Speaker 4: No matter how good you are, there's always somebody telling
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Speaker 4: you writing online that you're the worst thing that ever happened.
28:17
Speaker 4: There was always like an asterisk or a qualifier. And
28:22
Speaker 4: I mean even my band at times was transactional with me.
28:26
Speaker 4: I mean I would write these massive songs and they
28:28
Speaker 4: were kind of like they didn't give a shit. It
28:30
Speaker 4: was weird. W Well, that could send a band psychology
28:33
Speaker 4: and we could talk about it if you want. But
28:34
Speaker 4: just to finish the little spiel, only unconditional love in
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Speaker 4: some facet of your life gives you the proper perspective
28:43
Speaker 4: to appreciate what is great about transactional things, but allows
28:48
Speaker 4: you to see them for what they are, which is transactional.
28:50
Speaker 4: There's no val hall at the top of Rock Mountain.
28:53
Speaker 4: There isn't and I've been there multiple times. So when
28:57
Speaker 4: I stand in front of sixty five thousand people, in
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Speaker 4: my hierarchical mind, my family is still above that.
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Speaker 2: Right Sure.
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Speaker 4: I tell my kids all the time, and there's still
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Speaker 4: little kids, and hopefully it'll endure in their brain.
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Speaker 2: I love that so much.
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Speaker 1: That was so nice, and like listen to people like him.
29:15
Speaker 1: I think Scotti Scheffler the golfer, was another one who
29:17
Speaker 1: recently said almost exactly this, So that I can win
29:21
Speaker 1: every tournament and it's done by the next week, right,
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Speaker 1: the things that matter are my kids and my wife.
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Speaker 1: He has one kid, My kid, and my wife. And
29:30
Speaker 1: it's interesting to hear people who have hit that pinnacle
29:33
Speaker 1: of success say that this is still the thing that
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Speaker 1: I love, really really matters.
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Speaker 3: I love it and just to bring it back around.
29:40
Speaker 3: That's what Charlie would say as well. Well, thanks for
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