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Benchmarking Against Greatness: The Modesty of a Dedicated Musician · Music Explored Podcast

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  I
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  just,
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  I,
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  for
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  me
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  it's
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  just
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  inspiration,
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  it's
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  motivation
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  and
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  I
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  look
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  at
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  it
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  as
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  a
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  positive,
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  but
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  it
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  doesn't
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  make
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  me
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  want
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  to
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  quit,
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  you
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  know,
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  I'm
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  just,
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  I'm
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  a
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  hobby
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  drummer,
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  that's
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  what
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  I
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  am.
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  I
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  know.
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  Like,
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  I'm
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  never
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  gonna
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  be
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  like
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  Tony
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  Royster.
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  You
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  can
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  hear
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  me
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  play.
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  Like
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  my,
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  my
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  playing
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  is
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  fine.
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  I
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  can
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  go
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  fast,
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  I
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  can
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  do
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  some
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  good
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  things,
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  but,
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  oh,
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  it's
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  great.
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  Don't
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  be
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  so
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  hard
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  against
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  me.
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  I
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  don't
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  have
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  that
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  same
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  like
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  level
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  of
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  nobody
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  natural
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  talent
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  as
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  someone
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  like
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  Larnell.
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  Like,
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  come
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  on,
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  right?
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  Yeah,
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  yeah,
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  he's
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  best
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  in
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  the
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  world.
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  Yeah.
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  You
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  know,
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  it's
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  crazy
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  when
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  you
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  could
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  play
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  your
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  face
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  off,
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  but
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  then
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  when
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  you
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  benchmark
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  next
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  to
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  Larnell
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  or
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  someone
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  on
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  his
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  level,
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  then
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  it's
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  just
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  like
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  you
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  become
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  very
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  modest.
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  Absolutely.
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  You're
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  a
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  different.
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  When
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  you
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  see
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  someone
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  like
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  that,
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  it
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  just
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  feels
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  like
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  you're
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  just
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  a
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  different
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  model
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  of
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  human
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  being
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  and
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  there's
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  just
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  like
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  a
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  maximum
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  amount
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  you
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  can
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  rev
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  before
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  all
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  the
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  wheels
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  fall
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  off,
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  right?
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  Absolutely.
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  There's
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  levels
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  for
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  sure,
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  there's
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  always
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  levels.
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  Yeah.
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  There's
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  tears,
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  right?
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  In
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  sports
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  there's
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  tears
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  and
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  in
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  drums
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  there's
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  tears.
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  And
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  it
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  is
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  just
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  what
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  it
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  is.
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  Like
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  some
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  people
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  are,
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  have
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  a
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  better
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  work
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  ethic
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  towards
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  that
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  specific
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  goal
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  as
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  well
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  as
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  better
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  natural
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  abilities,
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  you
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  know,
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  so
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  pair
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  those
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  together
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  and
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  they're,
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  they're
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  unstoppable.
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  Good
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  point.
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  Are
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  there
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  any
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  drummers
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  out
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  there
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  that
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  you're
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  still
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  like
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  dying
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  to
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  try
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  and
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  get
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  on
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  the
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  Drumeo
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  platform?
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  Yes.
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  Steve
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  Gad,
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  Vinny
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  Kaluta.
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  I'd
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  love
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  to
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  have
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  Dave
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  Weckel
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  on,
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  love
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  to
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  have
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  Aaron
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  Spears
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  on.
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  Nice.
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  Oh
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  my
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  goodness,
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  I
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  could
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  keep
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  going.
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  We
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  have
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  a
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  list
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  of
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  150.
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  Oh,
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  really?
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  Is
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  that
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  the
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  wacklestick?
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  Yeah.
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  Everyone
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  says,
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  oh,
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  you're
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  gonna
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  run
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  out
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  of
• 1:42
  drummers.
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  It's
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  like,
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  no,
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  we're
• 1:43
  not
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  gonna
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  run
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  out
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  of
• 1:44
  drummers.
• 1:44
  Yeah,
• 1:44
  you
• 1:44
  have
• 1:44
  a
• 1:45
  lot
• 1:45
  of
• 1:45
  list
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  right
• 1:45
  there.
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  Right?
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  That's
• 1:46
  incredible.
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  Yes.
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  I
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  mean,
• 1:48
  Stuart
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  Copeland,
• 1:48
  Ringo
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  Starr,
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  you
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  know,
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  there's
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  just
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  like
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  the,
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  the
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  list
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  just
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  goes
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  on
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  and
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  on
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  of
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  Dave
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  Grohl,
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  Taylor
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  Hawkins,
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  Dave.
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  Steve
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  Jordan.
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  Steve
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  Jordan's
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  top,
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  one
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  of
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  my
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  tops.
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  I
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  love.
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  That's
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  John
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  Mayer's.
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  John
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  Mayer's
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  drummer.
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  Yeah.
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  And,
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  and
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  he,
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  before
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  Charlie
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  Watts
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  passed
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  a
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  couple
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  days
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  ago,
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  you
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  know.
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  Yeah,
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  totally.
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  Steve
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  Jordan
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  was
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  set
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  to
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  go
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  on
• 2:13
  tour
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  and
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  probably
• 2:14
  is
• 2:14
  still
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  going
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  on
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  tour
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  with
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  the
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  Stones,
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  so
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  he
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  works
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  with
• 2:17
  Mick
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  Jagger
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  on
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  some
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  like,
• 2:20
  he
• 2:20
  produces
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  some
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  of
• 2:21
  his
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  stuff.
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  Huge.
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  Right?
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  Okay.
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  Yeah.
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  You've
• 2:25
  just
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  made
• 2:27
  a
• 2:27
  comparison
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  to
• 2:28
  sports
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  between
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  music
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  and
• 2:29
  sports,
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  and
• 2:30
  it
• 2:30
  is
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  very
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  accurate
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  in
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  many
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  different
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  aspects.
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  But
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  also,
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  music
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  is
• 2:37
  not
• 2:38
  at
• 2:38
  all
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  a
• 2:38
  sport
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  and
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  is.
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  It
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  tends
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  to
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  sometimes,
• 2:44
  especially
• 2:44
  in
• 2:44
  classical
• 2:45
  music,
• 2:45
  but
• 2:46
  also
• 2:46
  in
• 2:46
  contemporary
• 2:47
  music,
• 2:48
  there's
• 2:48
  lots
• 2:48
  of
• 2:49
  competition
• 2:50
  where
• 2:50
  creativity
• 2:51
  is
• 2:51
  not
• 2:52
  really
• 2:52
  something
• 2:52
  like
• 2:53
  that.
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  Is
• 2:53
  that
• 2:53
  something
• 2:53
  that
• 2:54
  you
• 2:54
  experience,
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  that
• 2:55
  competitive
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  edge
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  where
• 2:56
  it
• 2:56
  shouldn't
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  be?
• 2:57
  And
• 2:57
  do
• 2:57
  you
• 2:57
  have
• 2:57
  any
• 2:58
  advice
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  about
• 2:58
  that
• 2:58
  for
• 2:59
  people
• 2:59
  that
• 2:59
  feel
• 2:59
  competitive?
• 3:02
  Yeah,
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  I
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  think
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  a
• 3:03
  lot
• 3:03
  of
• 3:03
  people,
• 3:04
  especially
• 3:05
  students,
• 3:05
  because
• 3:05
  that's
• 3:05
  what
• 3:06
  I'm
• 3:06
  most
• 3:06
  familiar
• 3:06
  with.
• 3:06
  A
• 3:07
  lot
• 3:07
  of
• 3:07
  students
• 3:07
  will
• 3:08
  look
• 3:08
  at
• 3:09
  music
• 3:09
  and
• 3:09
  they
• 3:10
  want
• 3:10
  to
• 3:10
  quantify
• 3:11
  their
• 3:12
  progress
• 3:12
  in
• 3:12
  some
• 3:13
  way.
• 3:13
  Right.
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  Okay.
• 3:14
  I
• 3:14
  was
• 3:14
  this
• 3:14
  good,
• 3:15
  and
• 3:15
  now
• 3:15
  I'm
• 3:15
  this
• 3:16
  good.
• 3:16
  And
• 3:17
  they
• 3:17
  want
• 3:17
  to
• 3:17
  really
• 3:17
  feel
• 3:18
  like
• 3:18
  they're
• 3:19
  making,
• 3:19
  you
• 3:19
  know,
• 3:20
  with
• 3:20
  all
• 3:21
  the
• 3:21
  time
• 3:21
  they're
• 3:21
  spending,
• 3:22
  they're
• 3:22
  making
• 3:22
  progress.
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  And
• 3:24
  we
• 3:24
  always
• 3:25
  have
• 3:25
  to
• 3:25
  tell
• 3:25
  them
• 3:25
  it's
• 3:25
  not
• 3:26
  really
• 3:26
  like
• 3:26
  that.
• 3:27
  I
• 3:27
  guess,
• 3:27
  like,
• 3:27
  there
• 3:28
  are
• 3:28
  some
• 3:28
  elements
• 3:28
  of
• 3:29
  it,
• 3:29
  especially
• 3:29
  in
• 3:29
  drums,
• 3:29
  where
• 3:30
  it's
• 3:30
  very
• 3:30
  physical.
• 3:30
  Like,
• 3:31
  right
• 3:31
  now,
• 3:31
  I'm
• 3:31
  working
• 3:31
  on
• 3:32
  a
• 3:32
  pack
• 3:32
  about
• 3:33
  how
• 3:33
  to
• 3:33
  build
• 3:33
  speed.
• 3:34
  And
• 3:34
  I'm
• 3:35
  going
• 3:35
  to
• 3:35
  tell
• 3:35
  people
• 3:35
  at
• 3:35
  the
• 3:36
  outset,
• 3:36
  this
• 3:36
  is
• 3:36
  not
• 3:36
  about
• 3:36
  music.
• 3:37
  We're
• 3:37
  not
• 3:38
  talking
• 3:38
  about
• 3:38
  music
• 3:38
  here.
• 3:38
  You
• 3:39
  want
• 3:39
  to
• 3:39
  go
• 3:39
  fast.
• 3:39
  This
• 3:40
  is
• 3:40
  just
• 3:40
  a
• 3:40
  tool.
• 3:40
  This
• 3:40
  is
• 3:41
  a
• 3:41
  hammer
• 3:41
  in
• 3:41
  your
• 3:41
  tool
• 3:42
  belt.
• 3:43
  But
• 3:43
  it's
• 3:43
  like
• 3:44
  you
• 3:44
  have
• 3:44
  to,
• 3:44
  in
• 3:45
  your
• 3:45
  mind,
• 3:45
  craft
• 3:46
  the
• 3:46
  house
• 3:46
  and
• 3:46
  design
• 3:47
  what
• 3:47
  you're
• 3:47
  going
• 3:47
  to
• 3:47
  do
• 3:47
  with
• 3:48
  that
• 3:48
  hammer.
• 3:48
  Right.
• 3:49
  And.
• 3:49
  And
• 3:49
  I
• 3:49
  think
• 3:49
  a
• 3:50
  lot
• 3:50
  of
• 3:50
  people
• 3:50
  will
• 3:51
  look
• 3:51
  at
• 3:52
  certain
• 3:52
  elements
• 3:52
  of
• 3:53
  learning
• 3:54
  a
• 3:54
  guitar,
• 3:54
  like
• 3:54
  how
• 3:55
  fast
• 3:55
  they
• 3:55
  can
• 3:55
  shred
• 3:56
  on
• 3:56
  the
• 3:56
  guitar
• 3:56
  or
• 3:56
  how
• 3:57
  fast
• 3:57
  they
• 3:57
  can
• 3:57
  play
• 3:58
  slap
• 3:58
  bass
• 3:58
  or
• 3:59
  doing
• 3:59
  runs
• 3:59
  on
• 4:00
  the
• 4:00
  keyboard.
• 4:00
  Right.
• 4:01
  And
• 4:01
  they
• 4:01
  look
• 4:01
  at
• 4:02
  that
• 4:02
  as
• 4:02
  some
• 4:02
  benchmark
• 4:02
  to
• 4:03
  how
• 4:03
  good
• 4:03
  they
• 4:03
  are
• 4:03
  and
• 4:04
  at
• 4:04
  music,
• 4:05
  and
• 4:05
  it's
• 4:06
  just
• 4:06
  not.
• 4:06
  That's
• 4:06
  how
• 4:07
  good
• 4:07
  you
• 4:07
  can
• 4:07
  have
• 4:08
  developed.
• 4:08
  That
• 4:08
  tool
• 4:09
  has
• 4:09
  no
• 4:10
  relation
• 4:10
  to
• 4:10
  music,
• 4:12
  you
• 4:12
  know,
• 4:12
  and
• 4:12
  so,
• 4:14
  yeah,
• 4:14
  music
• 4:14
  is
• 4:15
  the
• 4:15
  end
• 4:15
  goal.
• 4:16
  And
• 4:16
  we.
• 4:16
  We
• 4:16
  help
• 4:17
  our
• 4:17
  students
• 4:17
  develop
• 4:18
  the
• 4:18
  tools
• 4:18
  to
• 4:19
  kind
• 4:19
  of
• 4:21
  create
• 4:21
  that
• 4:21
  end
• 4:21
  goal.
• 4:22
  But
• 4:22
  it's
• 4:23
  up
• 4:23
  to
• 4:23
  them
• 4:23
  to
• 4:23
  really.
• 4:23
  And
• 4:24
  their
• 4:24
  creativity
• 4:24
  to
• 4:25
  come
• 4:25
  up
• 4:25
  with
• 4:25
  something
• 4:25
  unique.
• 4:26
  We
• 4:26
  can't
• 4:26
  teach
• 4:26
  them
• 4:27
  necessarily
• 4:28
  how
• 4:28
  to
• 4:28
  write.
• 4:29
  If
• 4:29
  I
• 4:29
  could
• 4:29
  teach
• 4:29
  someone
• 4:29
  how
• 4:30
  to
• 4:30
  write
• 4:30
  a
• 4:30
  hit
• 4:30
  song,
• 4:30
  wouldn't
• 4:31
  that
• 4:31
  be
• 4:31
  amazing?
• 4:32
  I
• 4:32
  have
• 4:32
  tons
• 4:33
  of
• 4:33
  students
• 4:33
  writing
• 4:33
  hit
• 4:34
  songs.
• 4:34
  It
• 4:34
  just
• 4:34
  doesn't
• 4:34
  work
• 4:34
  like
• 4:35
  that,
• 4:35
  though.
• 4:37
  So
• 4:39
  can
• 4:39
  you
• 4:40
  maybe
• 4:40
  take
• 4:40
  that
• 4:40
  just
• 4:40
  a
• 4:41
  little
• 4:41
  bit
• 4:41
  further?
• 4:42
  What
• 4:42
  would
• 4:42
  you.
• 4:43
  How
• 4:43
  would
• 4:43
  you
• 4:44
  define
• 4:44
  the
• 4:44
  qualities
• 4:45
  necessary
• 4:47
  to
• 4:48
  be
• 4:48
  a
• 4:48
  good
• 4:48
  musician
• 4:49
  as
• 4:49
  far
• 4:49
  as
• 4:49
  musicianship
• 4:50
  goes?
• 4:53
  I
• 4:53
  think
• 4:53
  you
• 4:53
  have
• 4:53
  to
• 4:53
  be
• 4:54
  a
• 4:54
  really,
• 4:54
  really
• 4:54
  good
• 4:54
  listener
• 4:56
  first
• 4:56
  and
• 4:56
  foremost,
• 4:57
  and
• 4:58
  just
• 4:58
  like
• 4:58
  having
• 4:58
  a
• 4:59
  conversation
• 4:59
  with
• 4:59
  someone.
• 5:00
  You
• 5:00
  know,
• 5:00
  music
• 5:00
  is
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  universal
• 5:02
  language.
• 5:02
  You're
• 5:02
  conversing
• 5:03
  with
• 5:03
  people.
• 5:04
  So
• 5:04
  it's
• 5:04
  about
• 5:05
  being
• 5:05
  able
• 5:05
  to
• 5:05
  have
• 5:05
  a
• 5:05
  conversation,
• 5:06
  knowing
• 5:07
  when
• 5:07
  to
• 5:07
  speak,
• 5:08
  knowing
• 5:08
  when
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  get
• 5:08
  louder,
• 5:08
  knowing
• 5:09
  when
• 5:09
  to
• 5:09
  get
• 5:09
  quieter
• 5:11
  and
• 5:11
  then
• 5:11
  also
• 5:12
  reacting.
• 5:12
  You
• 5:13
  need
• 5:13
  to
• 5:13
  be
• 5:13
  able
• 5:13
  to
• 5:13
  react
• 5:14
  in
• 5:14
  the
• 5:14
  moment
• 5:16
  with
• 5:16
  someone
• 5:16
  else.
• 5:16
  So
• 5:17
  as
• 5:17
  things
• 5:17
  change,
• 5:18
  you
• 5:18
  know,
• 5:18
  it's
• 5:18
  just
• 5:19
  like
• 5:19
  in
• 5:19
  this
• 5:19
  conversation,
• 5:19
  maybe
• 5:20
  there's
• 5:20
  a
• 5:20
  delay
• 5:21
  or
• 5:21
  something.
• 5:21
  We're
• 5:22
  changing,
• 5:22
  we're
• 5:23
  adjusting.
• 5:23
  Right.
• 5:24
  Completely.
• 5:24
  Music
• 5:24
  is
• 5:25
  that
• 5:25
  way
• 5:25
  too.
• 5:25
  So
• 5:25
  if
• 5:26
  you're
• 5:26
  listening
• 5:26
  and
• 5:26
  you're
• 5:26
  able
• 5:27
  to
• 5:27
  react
• 5:27
  on
• 5:27
  the
• 5:27
  fly,
• 5:28
  that's
• 5:29
  really,
• 5:29
  really
• 5:29
  helpful.
• 5:31
  In
• 5:32
  the,
• 5:32
  in
• 5:32
  the
• 5:32
  realm
• 5:33
  of
• 5:33
  drumming,
• 5:33
  I
• 5:33
  think
• 5:33
  it's
• 5:34
  good
• 5:34
  to
• 5:34
  be
• 5:34
  somewhat
• 5:34
  versatile,
• 5:35
  you
• 5:35
  know,
• 5:36
  know
• 5:36
  some
• 5:36
  different
• 5:36
  styles
• 5:37
  or
• 5:37
  feels.
• 5:38
  So
• 5:38
  not
• 5:38
  just
• 5:38
  be
• 5:40
  like.
• 5:40
  A
• 5:40
  lot
• 5:40
  of
• 5:41
  people
• 5:41
  just
• 5:41
  learn
• 5:41
  basic
• 5:42
  grooves
• 5:42
  or
• 5:42
  whatever,
• 5:43
  but
• 5:43
  they
• 5:43
  don't
• 5:43
  ever,
• 5:44
  ever
• 5:44
  explore
• 5:44
  different
• 5:45
  styles.
• 5:46
  And
• 5:46
  I
• 5:46
  think
• 5:46
  it's
• 5:47
  important
• 5:47
  to
• 5:47
  do
• 5:47
  that.
• 5:47
  You
• 5:48
  know,
• 5:48
  it's,
• 5:48
  it's
• 5:48
  look
• 5:49
  at,
• 5:49
  look
• 5:49
  at
• 5:49
  other
• 5:49
  cultures
• 5:50
  of
• 5:50
  music
• 5:50
  and,
• 5:51
  and
• 5:51
  see
• 5:51
  what
• 5:51
  they're
• 5:52
  doing
• 5:52
  and
• 5:52
  how
• 5:52
  you
• 5:52
  can
• 5:53
  relate
• 5:53
  that
• 5:53
  to
• 5:54
  yours.
• 5:56
  But
• 5:56
  yeah,
• 5:56
  I,
• 5:56
  I
• 5:56
  think
• 5:57
  listening
• 5:57
  is
• 5:57
  the
• 5:58
  ultimate.
• 5:58
  It's
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  number
• 5:59
  one
• 5:59
  thing
• 5:59
  that
• 5:59
  I
• 5:59
  hear
• 6:00
  from
• 6:00
  every
• 6:01
  famous
• 6:01
  drummer
• 6:02
  that
• 6:02
  has
• 6:02
  come
• 6:02
  through
• 6:03
  is
• 6:03
  they
• 6:03
  say
• 6:04
  you
• 6:04
  must
• 6:04
  listen
• 6:05
  to
• 6:05
  music
• 6:06
  and
• 6:06
  a
• 6:06
  lot
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  it
• 6:06
  if
• 6:07
  you
• 6:07
  want
• 6:07
  to
• 6:07
  become
• 6:07
  a
• 6:08
  well
• 6:08
  rounded
• 6:08
  musician.
• 6:09
  Absolutely.
• 6:10
  Yeah.
• 6:11
  That's
• 6:11
  huge.
• 6:12
  If
• 6:12
  you
• 6:12
  weren't
• 6:13
  doing
• 6:13
  Drumeo,
• 6:14
  what
• 6:14
  do.
• 6:14
  You
• 6:14
  think
• 6:14
  you'd
• 6:14
  be
• 6:14
  doing?
• 6:16
  I'd
• 6:17
  probably
• 6:17
  be
• 6:17
  in
• 6:17
  real
• 6:17
  estate
• 6:17
  or
• 6:17
  something.
• 6:19
  Real
• 6:19
  estate,
• 6:19
  eh?
• 6:20
  Yeah.
• 6:20
  Okay.
• 6:20
  Yeah.
• 6:21
  In
• 6:21
  grade
• 6:22
  four,
• 6:22
  I
• 6:22
  said
• 6:22
  in
• 6:23
  grade
• 6:23
  four
• 6:23
  I
• 6:23
  wrote
• 6:23
  on
• 6:24
  my
• 6:24
  thing
• 6:24
  I
• 6:24
  wanted
• 6:24
  to
• 6:25
  be
• 6:25
  a
• 6:25
  real
• 6:25
  estate
• 6:25
  agent.
• 6:26
  And
• 6:26
  so
• 6:27
  I,
• 6:27
  I
• 6:27
  don't
• 6:28
  know,
• 6:28
  man.
• 6:28
  I.
• 6:28
  I
• 6:29
  can't
• 6:29
  imagine
• 6:29
  really
• 6:29
  doing
• 6:30
  different
• 6:30
  stuff.
• 6:31
  But
• 6:32
  that's
• 6:33
  what
• 6:33
  I
• 6:33
  said
• 6:33
  to
• 6:33
  Dave
• 6:33
  the
• 6:34
  other
• 6:34
  day.
• 6:34
  Dave
• 6:34
  is
• 6:35
  one
• 6:35
  of
• 6:35
  the
• 6:35
  partners
• 6:35
  at
• 6:36
  Mizora.
• 6:36
  He's
• 6:36
  like,
• 6:37
  I'm
• 6:37
  like,
• 6:37
  what
• 6:37
  would
• 6:37
  we
• 6:38
  do
• 6:38
  if
• 6:38
  this
• 6:38
  goes
• 6:38
  belly
• 6:39
  up?
• 6:39
  Right.
• 6:39
  I
• 6:40
  don't
• 6:40
  know.
• 6:40
  I'd
• 6:40
  have
• 6:40
  to
• 6:40
  go
• 6:40
  like
• 6:41
  apply
• 6:41
  for
• 6:41
  jobs
• 6:42
  somewhere
• 6:42
  and
• 6:42
  figure
• 6:42
  it
• 6:43
  out.
• 6:43
  But.
• 6:48
  Yeah.
• 6:48
  What
• 6:49
  would
• 6:49
  you
• 6:49
  guys
• 6:49
  do?
• 6:50
  I'm
• 6:51
  surprised.
• 6:51
  In
• 6:51
  the
• 6:51
  shower.
• 6:53
  Yeah.
• 6:53
  What
• 6:53
  would
• 6:53
  you
• 6:53
  do?
• 6:56
  Me
• 6:56
  and
• 6:56
  Doriki
• 6:57
  both
• 6:57
  had
• 6:57
  a
• 6:58
  bit
• 6:58
  of
• 6:58
  a
• 6:58
  background
• 6:59
  in
• 6:59
  computer
• 7:00
  programming.
• 7:00
  Yeah,
• 7:01
  I
• 7:01
  worked
• 7:01
  at.
• 7:02
  I
• 7:02
  would.
• 7:02
  Absolutely
• 7:03
  not.
• 7:03
  I
• 7:04
  would.
• 7:04
  Yeah,
• 7:04
  it's
• 7:05
  hard.
• 7:05
  But
• 7:05
  if
• 7:05
  I
• 7:06
  had
• 7:06
  to.
• 7:06
  Had
• 7:06
  to,
• 7:07
  that's
• 7:07
  my
• 7:07
  skill
• 7:07
  set.
• 7:08
  Is
• 7:08
  it?
• 7:08
  So
• 7:08
  I'd
• 7:08
  probably
• 7:09
  fall
• 7:09
  back
• 7:09
  into
• 7:10
  some
• 7:10
  type
• 7:10
  of
• 7:10
  IT
• 7:11
  role.
• 7:11
  But
• 7:12
  I
• 7:12
  would
• 7:12
  absolutely
• 7:13
  hate
• 7:13
  it.
• 7:13
  I
• 7:13
  hated
• 7:14
  it
• 7:14
  when
• 7:14
  I
• 7:14
  was
• 7:14
  doing
• 7:15
  it
• 7:15
  and
• 7:15
  I'll
• 7:15
  hate
• 7:15
  it
• 7:15
  if
• 7:16
  I
• 7:16
  have
• 7:16
  to
• 7:16
  go
• 7:16
  back,
• 7:16
  but
• 7:17
  I
• 7:17
  can
• 7:17
  do
• 7:17
  it.
• 7:17
  So
• 7:19
  maybe
• 7:19
  fitness.
• 7:21
  Something
• 7:21
  fitness
• 7:22
  related.
• 7:23
  Oh,
• 7:23
  yeah,
• 7:24
  you.
• 7:24
  I
• 7:24
  was
• 7:24
  answering
• 7:25
  for
• 7:25
  you,
• 7:25
  by
• 7:25
  the
• 7:25
  way,
• 7:25
  Matt.
• 7:27
  Yeah,
• 7:27
  yeah,
• 7:27
  yeah,
• 7:30
  not
• 7:30
  yet.
• 7:31
  That's
• 7:31
  my
• 7:31
  plan
• 7:32
  G.
• 7:34
  Plan
• 7:34
  G.
• 7:35
  I
• 7:35
  don't
• 7:35
  know,
• 7:37
  I'm
• 7:37
  thinking
• 7:38
  some
• 7:39
  sort
• 7:39
  of
• 7:39
  project
• 7:39
  management,
• 7:41
  preferably
• 7:42
  in
• 7:43
  something
• 7:44
  creative,
• 7:44
  maybe
• 7:45
  in
• 7:45
  film.
• 7:47
  There's
• 7:47
  just
• 7:48
  so
• 7:48
  much
• 7:49
  to
• 7:49
  hold
• 7:49
  together
• 7:50
  when
• 7:50
  it
• 7:50
  comes
• 7:50
  to
• 7:50
  creating
• 7:51
  something
• 7:51
  artistic.
• 7:53
  I
• 7:53
  think
• 7:53
  that's
• 7:53
  why
• 7:54
  I
• 7:54
  enjoy
• 7:54
  being
• 7:54
  a
• 7:54
  producer.
• 7:55
  Because
• 7:55
  you
• 7:55
  just
• 7:55
  take
• 7:56
  all
• 7:56
  these
• 7:56
  things
• 7:57
  and
• 7:57
  mash
• 7:57
  them
• 7:57
  into
• 7:57
  one
• 7:58
  record.
• 7:59
  So
• 7:59
  probably
• 7:59
  something
• 8:00
  that
• 8:01
  makes
• 8:01
  me
• 8:02
  do
• 8:02
  that.
• 8:02
  And
• 8:02
  if
• 8:03
  not,
• 8:03
  then
• 8:03
  sales,
• 8:04
  because
• 8:04
  I
• 8:04
  think
• 8:04
  I'm
• 8:04
  a
• 8:05
  pretty
• 8:06
  good
• 8:06
  salesman.
• 8:07
  Speaking
• 8:07
  of
• 8:08
  sales.
• 8:08
  Not
• 8:09
  at
• 8:09
  all.
• 8:12
  I
• 8:12
  just
• 8:12
  want
• 8:12
  to
• 8:12
  talk
• 8:13
  about
• 8:13
  technology
• 8:14
  and
• 8:14
  how
• 8:14
  it
• 8:15
  changes
• 8:16
  music,
• 8:17
  which
• 8:17
  is
• 8:17
  something
• 8:18
  that
• 8:19
  people
• 8:19
  are
• 8:19
  either
• 8:19
  in
• 8:19
  denial
• 8:20
  about
• 8:20
  when
• 8:20
  it
• 8:21
  comes
• 8:21
  to
• 8:21
  auto
• 8:21
  tune
• 8:22
  or
• 8:22
  just
• 8:22
  don't
• 8:23
  really
• 8:23
  think
• 8:23
  about.
• 8:23
  And
• 8:23
  I
• 8:23
  remember
• 8:24
  watching
• 8:25
  old
• 8:26
  Genesis
• 8:27
  performances
• 8:27
  and
• 8:28
  watching
• 8:28
  Phil
• 8:28
  Collins
• 8:29
  play
• 8:29
  and
• 8:30
  thinking
• 8:30
  to
• 8:30
  myself,
• 8:31
  nothing
• 8:32
  really
• 8:32
  changed
• 8:33
  in
• 8:33
  drum
• 8:34
  technology.
• 8:35
  Right?
• 8:35
  It's
• 8:36
  like
• 8:36
  his
• 8:36
  cymbals
• 8:37
  don't
• 8:37
  have
• 8:37
  any
• 8:37
  names
• 8:38
  on
• 8:38
  them,
• 8:38
  but
• 8:38
  they're
• 8:38
  still
• 8:39
  flat
• 8:39
  pieces
• 8:39
  of
• 8:39
  metal
• 8:40
  and
• 8:40
  it's
• 8:40
  still
• 8:41
  multiply
• 8:42
  wood
• 8:42
  and
• 8:43
  it's
• 8:43
  still
• 8:43
  plastic
• 8:43
  skins
• 8:44
  and
• 8:44
  drums
• 8:45
  are
• 8:45
  just
• 8:45
  stuck
• 8:45
  as
• 8:45
  they
• 8:46
  are.
• 8:46
  And
• 8:47
  obviously
• 8:48
  I
• 8:48
  was
• 8:48
  wrong.
• 8:48
  And
• 8:48
  I
• 8:48
  think
• 8:49
  one
• 8:49
  of
• 8:49
  the
• 8:49
  biggest
• 8:49
  examples
• 8:50
  that
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  can
• 8:50
  think
• 8:50
  of
• 8:50
  is
• 8:51
  that
• 8:51
  when
• 8:52
  I
• 8:52
  was
• 8:52
  learning
• 8:53
  to
• 8:53
  play,
• 8:53
  it
• 8:53
  was
• 8:53
  very
• 8:53
  important
• 8:54
  to
• 8:54
  play
• 8:54
  as
• 8:55
  on
• 8:55
  time
• 8:55
  as
• 8:56
  possible.
• 8:57
  And
• 8:57
  now
• 8:57
  there's
• 8:57
  this
• 8:57
  whole
• 8:58
  movement
• 8:58
  of
• 8:58
  drummers
• 8:59
  who
• 9:00
  play
• 9:00
  intentionally.
• 9:02
  They.
• 9:02
  They
• 9:02
  have
• 9:03
  their
• 9:03
  kick
• 9:03
  sort
• 9:04
  of
• 9:04
  flam
• 9:04
  after
• 9:06
  the
• 9:06
  hi
• 9:06
  hat
• 9:07
  and
• 9:07
  the
• 9:07
  same
• 9:07
  with
• 9:07
  the
• 9:08
  snare.
• 9:08
  And
• 9:08
  it's
• 9:08
  sort
• 9:09
  of
• 9:09
  very
• 9:09
  almost
• 9:10
  drunken.
• 9:11
  And
• 9:11
  at
• 9:11
  first
• 9:11
  I.
• 9:12
  It
• 9:12
  sounds
• 9:13
  cool.
• 9:13
  I
• 9:13
  was
• 9:13
  trying
• 9:13
  to
• 9:14
  understand
• 9:14
  what
• 9:14
  happened,
• 9:14
  where
• 9:14
  did
• 9:15
  this
• 9:15
  come
• 9:15
  from?
• 9:15
  And
• 9:15
  then
• 9:15
  I
• 9:16
  realized
• 9:16
  that
• 9:16
  it
• 9:16
  came
• 9:17
  probably
• 9:18
  from
• 9:21
  when
• 9:22
  sections
• 9:23
  of
• 9:23
  music
• 9:23
  started
• 9:23
  to
• 9:24
  be
• 9:24
  looped
• 9:24
  for
• 9:24
  hip
• 9:25
  hop
• 9:25
  and
• 9:25
  for
• 9:25
  electronic
• 9:26
  music.
• 9:26
  And
• 9:27
  that
• 9:27
  loop
• 9:27
  would
• 9:27
  be
• 9:27
  of
• 9:27
  a
• 9:28
  real
• 9:28
  drummer
• 9:28
  and
• 9:28
  it
• 9:28
  would
• 9:29
  lag
• 9:29
  a
• 9:29
  little
• 9:29
  bit.
• 9:30
  And
• 9:30
  so
• 9:30
  you'd
• 9:31
  have
• 9:31
  songs
• 9:31
  that
• 9:31
  have
• 9:32
  slight
• 9:33
  lag
• 9:33
  or
• 9:34
  a
• 9:34
  slight
• 9:34
  acceleration
• 9:35
  in
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  drums.
• 9:36
  Like
• 9:36
  the
• 9:36
  loop
• 9:36
  would
• 9:36
  be
• 9:36
  cut
• 9:36
  too
• 9:37
  short
• 9:37
  or
• 9:37
  too
• 9:37
  long.
• 9:38
  And
• 9:38
  that
• 9:38
  inspired
• 9:39
  real
• 9:40
  drummers
• 9:40
  to
• 9:42
  intentionally
• 9:42
  tastefully
• 9:43
  play
• 9:44
  out
• 9:44
  of
• 9:44
  time.
• 9:45
  Do
• 9:45
  you
• 9:46
  see.
• 9:47
  Where
• 9:48
  else
• 9:48
  do
• 9:48
  you
• 9:48
  see
• 9:48
  technology
• 9:49
  changing
• 9:50
  how
• 9:50
  people
• 9:51
  play,
• 9:51
  how
• 9:51
  people
• 9:52
  think
• 9:52
  about
• 9:53
  music
• 9:53
  and
• 9:53
  what
• 9:53
  people
• 9:54
  enjoy
• 9:54
  about
• 9:54
  music?
• 9:56
  Yeah,
• 9:57
  that's
• 9:57
  a
• 9:57
  great.
• 9:58
  That's
• 9:58
  a
• 9:58
  great
• 9:58
  point.
• 9:58
  And
• 9:59
  Dura
• 9:59
  Jones
• 10:00
  is
• 10:00
  great,
• 10:00
  is
• 10:00
  amazing
• 10:01
  at
• 10:01
  that.
• 10:01
  I
• 10:01
  don't
• 10:01
  know
• 10:01
  if
• 10:01
  you've
• 10:02
  heard
• 10:02
  him
• 10:02
  play,
• 10:02
  but
• 10:03
  he's
• 10:03
  been
• 10:03
  on
• 10:03
  drumeo.
• 10:04
  But
• 10:04
  yeah,
• 10:05
  I
• 10:05
  think
• 10:05
  like
• 10:06
  I
• 10:06
  did
• 10:06
  one
• 10:06
  album
• 10:06
  once,
• 10:07
  the
• 10:07
  guy
• 10:07
  brought
• 10:07
  in
• 10:08
  like
• 10:08
  a
• 10:09
  whole,
• 10:10
  whole
• 10:10
  like
• 10:10
  10
• 10:11
  songs
• 10:11
  and
• 10:11
  each
• 10:11
  one
• 10:12
  was
• 10:13
  computer
• 10:14
  drumming.
• 10:14
  And
• 10:14
  he
• 10:15
  Wanted
• 10:15
  to
• 10:15
  recreate
• 10:15
  that
• 10:16
  with
• 10:17
  acoustic
• 10:17
  drums.
• 10:18
  And
• 10:18
  it
• 10:18
  was
• 10:19
  really
• 10:19
  challenging.
• 10:19
  Like
• 10:19
  it
• 10:20
  forced
• 10:20
  me
• 10:20
  to
• 10:20
  play
• 10:21
  patterns
• 10:22
  that
• 10:22
  I
• 10:22
  hadn't
• 10:22
  even
• 10:22
  thought
• 10:23
  of
• 10:23
  because
• 10:23
  it's
• 10:24
  a.
• 10:24
  It's
• 10:25
  a
• 10:25
  songwriter
• 10:26
  creating
• 10:26
  drum
• 10:27
  parts
• 10:27
  who's
• 10:28
  not
• 10:28
  a
• 10:28
  drummer.
• 10:29
  Right.
• 10:29
  And
• 10:29
  so
• 10:29
  you
• 10:30
  get
• 10:30
  this
• 10:30
  weird
• 10:30
  stuff,
• 10:31
  right.
• 10:31
  And
• 10:32
  we
• 10:32
  were
• 10:32
  looking
• 10:32
  at
• 10:32
  this
• 10:32
  tool.
• 10:33
  There's
• 10:33
  this
• 10:33
  tool
• 10:33
  called
• 10:33
  E
• 10:34
  Rhythm.
• 10:35
  And
• 10:35
  E
• 10:35
  Rhythm,
• 10:36
  it
• 10:36
  allows
• 10:36
  you
• 10:36
  to
• 10:37
  add
• 10:38
  specific
• 10:40
  sounds
• 10:40
  on
• 10:40
  and
• 10:41
  just
• 10:41
  with
• 10:41
  a
• 10:42
  mouse
• 10:42
  or
• 10:42
  your
• 10:42
  finger,
• 10:44
  create
• 10:44
  these
• 10:44
  grooves
• 10:45
  that
• 10:45
  sound
• 10:46
  awesome.
• 10:46
  And
• 10:46
  so
• 10:47
  as
• 10:47
  technology
• 10:48
  shifts,
• 10:48
  I
• 10:48
  think
• 10:49
  the
• 10:49
  demand
• 10:49
  on
• 10:50
  acoustic
• 10:51
  drummers
• 10:52
  is
• 10:52
  going
• 10:52
  to
• 10:52
  continue
• 10:52
  to
• 10:53
  get
• 10:53
  stronger.
• 10:54
  We're
• 10:54
  going
• 10:54
  to
• 10:54
  be.
• 10:54
  I
• 10:55
  think
• 10:55
  so.
• 10:57
  Yeah.
• 10:57
  I
• 10:57
  think
• 10:58
  we're
• 10:58
  going
• 10:58
  to
• 10:58
  be
• 10:58
  expected
• 10:59
  to
• 10:59
  keep
• 11:00
  up
• 11:00
  and
• 11:00
  to
• 11:01
  be
• 11:01
  inspired
• 11:02
  and
• 11:02
  shift
• 11:02
  with
• 11:03
  some
• 11:03
  of
• 11:03
  that.
• 11:03
  Because
• 11:04
  there's
• 11:04
  something
• 11:04
  to
• 11:04
  be
• 11:05
  said
• 11:05
  for
• 11:05
  having
• 11:05
  the
• 11:06
  energy
• 11:06
  of
• 11:06
  a
• 11:06
  person
• 11:07
  on
• 11:07
  stage
• 11:07
  creating
• 11:08
  that
• 11:08
  part
• 11:08
  in
• 11:08
  real
• 11:09
  time.
• 11:09
  They
• 11:09
  didn't
• 11:10
  necessarily
• 11:10
  have
• 11:10
  to
• 11:10
  create
• 11:11
  the
• 11:11
  part
• 11:11
  in
• 11:12
  the
• 11:12
  studio
• 11:12
  because
• 11:12
  no
• 11:13
  one
• 11:13
  really
• 11:13
  sees
• 11:13
  that.
• 11:14
  But
• 11:14
  when
• 11:14
  that
• 11:15
  person
• 11:15
  goes
• 11:15
  to.
• 11:16
  To.
• 11:18
  To
• 11:18
  play
• 11:19
  a
• 11:19
  gig,
• 11:19
  it's
• 11:20
  nice
• 11:20
  to
• 11:20
  have
• 11:20
  a
• 11:20
  drummer
• 11:20
  on
• 11:21
  stage
• 11:21
  playing
• 11:21
  those
• 11:21
  parts,
• 11:22
  recreating
• 11:22
  them.
• 11:23
  That's
• 11:24
  interesting.
• 11:24
  So
• 11:25
  are
• 11:25
  you
• 11:25
  saying
• 11:26
  that
• 11:26
  it's
• 11:27
  going
• 11:27
  to
• 11:28
  be
• 11:28
  limited
• 11:28
  to
• 11:28
  live?
• 11:29
  Because
• 11:30
  a
• 11:30
  lot
• 11:31
  of
• 11:31
  bands,
• 11:31
  and
• 11:31
  this
• 11:31
  is
• 11:32
  in.
• 11:32
  In
• 11:32
  no
• 11:32
  way
• 11:33
  something
• 11:34
  negative.
• 11:34
  I
• 11:34
  like
• 11:34
  the
• 11:34
  way
• 11:35
  it
• 11:35
  sounds.
• 11:35
  But
• 11:35
  there
• 11:35
  are
• 11:36
  bands
• 11:36
  that
• 11:36
  used
• 11:36
  to
• 11:36
  have
• 11:37
  traditional
• 11:37
  drummers
• 11:38
  like
• 11:38
  Coldplay,
• 11:39
  like
• 11:39
  Maroon
• 11:40
  5,
• 11:40
  like
• 11:40
  a
• 11:41
  bazillion
• 11:41
  more
• 11:42
  that
• 11:42
  if
• 11:42
  you
• 11:42
  listen
• 11:42
  to
• 11:43
  their
• 11:43
  records
• 11:43
  now,
• 11:44
  it's
• 11:44
  all
• 11:45
  very
• 11:45
  creative
• 11:47
  samples
• 11:47
  and
• 11:47
  drum
• 11:48
  machines
• 11:48
  and
• 11:48
  all
• 11:49
  kinds
• 11:49
  of
• 11:49
  tinkery
• 11:49
  bells
• 11:50
  and
• 11:50
  stuff.
• 11:52
  What
• 11:52
  do
• 11:52
  you
• 11:52
  think
• 11:53
  about
• 11:53
  that
• 11:53
  transition?
• 11:54
  Where
• 11:54
  in
• 11:54
  the
• 11:54
  studio,
• 11:55
  very
• 11:56
  often
• 11:56
  studio
• 11:56
  records
• 11:57
  don't
• 11:57
  have
• 11:58
  straight
• 11:58
  up
• 11:58
  a
• 11:58
  drum
• 11:59
  set.
• 12:00
  Do
• 12:00
  you
• 12:01
  still
• 12:01
  think
• 12:02
  their
• 12:03
  primary
• 12:04
  role
• 12:04
  would
• 12:04
  be
• 12:05
  to
• 12:05
  recreate
• 12:06
  that
• 12:06
  in
• 12:06
  acoustic
• 12:06
  drums
• 12:07
  live,
• 12:08
  or
• 12:08
  how
• 12:08
  do
• 12:08
  you
• 12:08
  see
• 12:08
  that
• 12:08
  going?
• 12:10
  Yeah,
• 12:10
  like
• 12:10
  we
• 12:10
  just
• 12:11
  had
• 12:11
  Mike
• 12:12
  Sleath.
• 12:12
  Mike
• 12:12
  Sleath
• 12:13
  plays
• 12:13
  with
• 12:13
  Shawn
• 12:13
  Mendes
• 12:14
  and
• 12:15
  a
• 12:15
  lot
• 12:15
  of
• 12:16
  Sean's
• 12:16
  stuff
• 12:16
  is
• 12:18
  programmed.
• 12:19
  We
• 12:19
  talked
• 12:20
  a
• 12:20
  lot
• 12:20
  about
• 12:20
  the
• 12:21
  integration
• 12:21
  of
• 12:21
  triggers
• 12:22
  and
• 12:22
  electronics
• 12:23
  and
• 12:23
  we
• 12:23
  put
• 12:23
  a
• 12:24
  lesson
• 12:24
  on
• 12:24
  Drumeo,
• 12:25
  the
• 12:26
  YouTube
• 12:26
  channel,
• 12:26
  about
• 12:26
  how
• 12:27
  he
• 12:27
  does
• 12:27
  this
• 12:28
  within
• 12:28
  all
• 12:28
  these
• 12:29
  songs
• 12:29
  and
• 12:29
  how
• 12:29
  he
• 12:29
  recreates
• 12:30
  the
• 12:30
  sounds
• 12:31
  live.
• 12:32
  And
• 12:32
  so
• 12:32
  he's
• 12:33
  one
• 12:33
  of
• 12:33
  these
• 12:33
  guys
• 12:33
  where
• 12:33
  he
• 12:34
  doesn't
• 12:34
  do
• 12:34
  any
• 12:34
  of
• 12:34
  the
• 12:34
  studio
• 12:35
  stuff,
• 12:35
  as
• 12:35
  far
• 12:35
  as
• 12:35
  I
• 12:35
  know
• 12:36
  he
• 12:36
  might
• 12:36
  do
• 12:36
  a
• 12:36
  little
• 12:36
  bit,
• 12:37
  but
• 12:37
  yeah,
• 12:37
  you
• 12:38
  know,
• 12:38
  that's
• 12:38
  all
• 12:38
  done
• 12:38
  with
• 12:39
  programming.
• 12:40
  And
• 12:40
  then
• 12:40
  his
• 12:41
  job
• 12:41
  is
• 12:41
  to
• 12:42
  recreate
• 12:42
  that
• 12:42
  energy
• 12:43
  and
• 12:43
  that
• 12:43
  sound
• 12:44
  live
• 12:44
  on
• 12:44
  the
• 12:44
  stage
• 12:44
  so
• 12:45
  they
• 12:45
  could
• 12:45
  do
• 12:45
  that
• 12:45
  in
• 12:46
  a
• 12:46
  more
• 12:46
  band
• 12:47
  setting.
• 12:49
  Yeah.
• 12:49
  Does
• 12:49
  that
• 12:49
  answer
• 12:49
  your
• 12:49
  question
• 12:50
  or
• 12:50
  did
• 12:50
  I
• 12:50
  just
• 12:50
  kind
• 12:50
  of
• 12:50
  go
• 12:50
  off
• 12:51
  on
• 12:51
  another
• 12:51
  table?
• 12:52
  Well,
• 12:52
  you?
• 12:53
  No,
• 12:53
  you
• 12:53
  totally
• 12:54
  answered
• 12:54
  my
• 12:54
  question.
• 12:54
  I
• 12:54
  just
• 12:55
  have
• 12:55
  sort
• 12:55
  of
• 12:55
  more
• 12:55
  to
• 12:56
  the
• 12:56
  question
• 12:56
  because
• 12:56
  much
• 12:57
  like
• 12:57
  yourself,
• 12:57
  I
• 12:58
  tried
• 12:58
  the
• 12:58
  whole
• 12:59
  touring
• 12:59
  thing
• 13:00
  and
• 13:00
  realized
• 13:01
  that
• 13:01
  it's
• 13:01
  not.
• 13:02
  It's
• 13:03
  too
• 13:03
  demanding.
• 13:04
  And
• 13:04
  it
• 13:04
  just.
• 13:05
  Some
• 13:05
  people
• 13:06
  love
• 13:06
  it.
• 13:06
  For
• 13:06
  me,
• 13:06
  it
• 13:07
  felt
• 13:07
  like
• 13:07
  my
• 13:07
  soul
• 13:07
  was
• 13:08
  being
• 13:08
  sucked
• 13:08
  away.
• 13:09
  You
• 13:09
  know,
• 13:09
  it
• 13:10
  was
• 13:10
  just
• 13:11
  hotels
• 13:12
  and.
• 13:13
  And,
• 13:14
  you
• 13:14
  know,
• 13:14
  even
• 13:15
  meeting
• 13:15
  fans,
• 13:16
  it's
• 13:16
  like,
• 13:16
  I
• 13:17
  just
• 13:17
  want
• 13:17
  to
• 13:17
  go
• 13:17
  to
• 13:17
  sleep.
• 13:18
  This
• 13:18
  is
• 13:18
  too
• 13:18
  much
• 13:19
  like.
• 13:20
  So
• 13:21
  for
• 13:22
  people
• 13:22
  like
• 13:22
  that,
• 13:22
  like
• 13:23
  me
• 13:23
  and
• 13:23
  you,
• 13:23
  who
• 13:24
  probably
• 13:24
  won't
• 13:25
  go
• 13:25
  on
• 13:25
  long
• 13:25
  tours
• 13:26
  anymore.
• 13:27
  Are
• 13:28
  we
• 13:28
  like,
• 13:28
  what's
• 13:29
  our
• 13:29
  role
• 13:29
  in
• 13:30
  the
• 13:30
  studio,
• 13:30
  then?
• 13:33
  Well,
• 13:34
  when
• 13:35
  it
• 13:35
  comes
• 13:35
  from
• 13:35
  a
• 13:35
  drummer's
• 13:36
  perspective,
• 13:38
  I
• 13:38
  think
• 13:38
  your
• 13:38
  goal
• 13:39
  is
• 13:39
  similar
• 13:39
  to
• 13:40
  what
• 13:40
  it
• 13:40
  was
• 13:40
  before.
• 13:40
  Establish
• 13:41
  the
• 13:41
  foundation
• 13:42
  of
• 13:42
  the
• 13:42
  song
• 13:42
  with
• 13:43
  the
• 13:44
  rhythms
• 13:44
  that
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  you
• 13:45
  choose
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  to
• 13:45
  integrate
• 13:46
  in
• 13:46
  that.
• 13:46
  And
• 13:47
  I
• 13:47
  would
• 13:47
  say,
• 13:47
  as
• 13:47
  the
• 13:48
  modern
• 13:48
  musician,
• 13:49
  there
• 13:49
  is
• 13:49
  going
• 13:49
  to
• 13:49
  be
• 13:50
  a
• 13:50
  requirement
• 13:51
  to
• 13:51
  have
• 13:52
  an
• 13:52
  understanding
• 13:52
  of
• 13:52
  electronics
• 13:53
  and
• 13:54
  how
• 13:54
  to
• 13:54
  create
• 13:54
  beats
• 13:55
  and
• 13:56
  things
• 13:56
  like
• 13:56
  that.
• 13:56
  It's
• 13:57
  really
• 13:57
  important.