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Ep. 987: 20 Late Season Questions With Bill Winke · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to
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  Speaker 1: Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast.
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  Speaker 3: This week on the show, I'm joined by Bill Winky
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  Speaker 3: for twenty fast questions on late season whitetail hunting. All right,
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  Speaker 3: welcome back to the Wired tont podcast, brought to you
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  Speaker 3: by First Light and their Camera for Conservation initiative. And
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  Speaker 3: today we're playing twenty questions with the one and only
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  Speaker 3: Bill Winky. You know him from Midwest whitetail and bow hunting,
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  Speaker 3: White Tales with Bill Winki and countless articles over the
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  Speaker 3: years and Peterson's Bow Hunting and other places as well.
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  Speaker 3: He's one of the foremost authorities on whitetail huntings, excess
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  Speaker 3: bow hunting especially, and so today I wanted to run
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  Speaker 3: them through twenty questions, twenty relatively rapid fire questions about
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  Speaker 3: hunting the late season to get a really clear understanding
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  Speaker 3: of what the Winky way is for this, you know,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes really challenging part of the hunting season. So that's
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  Speaker 3: what we're gonna do. We're not gonna be there on
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  Speaker 3: the bush. We're not gonna take a long time telling stories.
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  Speaker 3: This is going to be fast. This is going to
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  Speaker 3: be to the point. Ideas, tactics, strategies for failing your
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  Speaker 3: tag in these final weeks maybe month and a half
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  Speaker 3: ish of the season, depending on where you live, it
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  Speaker 3: might be even less than that, might be two weeks,
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  Speaker 3: three weeks. But there's certainly some good hunts to be had.
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  Speaker 3: I'll reiterate something that I mentioned probably two weeks ago
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  Speaker 3: I guess at the end of my kind of review
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  Speaker 3: of late season hunting tactics, and that's that this time
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  Speaker 3: of year is such a great time to invite somebody
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  Speaker 3: out there with you, to take your kids, to go
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  Speaker 3: out there with your dad or your grandpa, or your
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  Speaker 3: spouse or a buddy that wants to learn to hunt,
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  Speaker 3: you know, especially if you don't have a specific buck
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  Speaker 3: that you're after and you're just trying to have a
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  Speaker 3: fun way to wrap up the year, that's a great
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  Speaker 3: way to do it. On the flip side, though, if
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  Speaker 3: you are trying to kill that one special buck, you're
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  Speaker 3: still trying to kill a mature buck. And you have,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the special set of circumstances that Bill's going
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  Speaker 3: to tell you about, and you have to be extra
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  Speaker 3: careful with how you do it, and you're really trying
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  Speaker 3: to be tactical. Well, what we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 3: today should help you do that as well. So, without
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  Speaker 3: much further ado, I do want to just give you
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  Speaker 3: what we're really focusing on though, is late season success.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get to my chat, my twenty questions with mister
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  Speaker 3: Bill Winky, the one and only legend himself. Here we go,
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  Speaker 3: all right with me now on the line for I
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  Speaker 3: couldn't tell you which number of appearances has been Bill,
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  Speaker 3: but it's been a lot, and I appreciate I've got
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  Speaker 3: Bill Winky back on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Bill, thanks for being here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, my pleasure, Mark, good to be here.
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  Speaker 2: I always enjoy our chats.
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  Speaker 3: I want to tell you I think I texted you this,
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  Speaker 3: but if not, I want to tell you in person
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  Speaker 3: how much I enjoyed your appearance on our back forty
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  Speaker 3: series that we did with Jake Hoefer. That turned out
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  Speaker 3: really cool. Your inputs were really helpful on that, so
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  Speaker 3: thank you again for that. Yeah. So today Bill, we
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  Speaker 3: are talking in early ish December, the late season, the
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  Speaker 3: core of the late season ahead of us, and my
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  Speaker 3: idea was to play a game sort of.
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  Speaker 2: You might remember this from.
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  Speaker 3: When you were younger. I remember when I was like
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  Speaker 3: in junior high, we used to do this thing called
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  Speaker 3: twenty questions, where you'd just be asked like twenty you know,
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  Speaker 3: kind of perpetually more detailed questions. I guess maybe this
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  Speaker 3: would be how it would be framed. And my thought
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  Speaker 3: was we could do this, but instead of talking about
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  Speaker 3: like boys and girls in junior high, We're going to
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  Speaker 3: talk about late season white tails the Bill Winky win.
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  Speaker 3: So I've got twenty twenty rapid fire whitetail questions for
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  Speaker 3: finding success in the late season, and I'm just going
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  Speaker 3: to jump right into it in the interest of time. Here,
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  Speaker 3: if you were stuck in an elevator with somebody today
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  Speaker 3: and you had like thirty seconds to sixty seconds in
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  Speaker 3: the elevator with them, and you had to answer one
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  Speaker 3: question for them before the doors open, and they asked you,
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  Speaker 3: what is the Bill Winkie way for late season white
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  Speaker 3: tail success? How would you answer that before the door
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  Speaker 3: has opened.
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  Speaker 4: It's pretty easy, really. I mean, you've got to have food,
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  Speaker 4: you got to have ideally some cold weather and a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of snow helps the deer that aren't heavily pressured.
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  Speaker 4: Bow hunting late season deer is really really tough if
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  Speaker 4: you don't have those pieces of the puzzle.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, can it be done if you don't have those
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  Speaker 3: pieces of the puzzle.
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  Speaker 4: There are people who do it, definitely, but they're a
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  Speaker 4: lot tougher than me because they're sitting in tree stands
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  Speaker 4: in travel funnels, or maybe they're sitting next to betting areas,
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  Speaker 4: which is a little bit more risky. But it's cold,
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  Speaker 4: and that's the problem. Late season hunting is only really
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  Speaker 4: good when it gets cold, because if it's mild during
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  Speaker 4: the late season, they just feed at night and you
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  Speaker 4: don't see that activity. So when you combine cold with
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  Speaker 4: sitting in a tree with a bow in your hand,
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  Speaker 4: done it. You know, we probably have all done it.
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  Speaker 4: But gosh, I sure like those heated blinds now that
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  Speaker 4: makes it a lot more fun. But yeah, it can
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  Speaker 4: be done, Mark, It's just it's a painful process if
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  Speaker 4: you got to do it the hard way.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It's funny.
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  Speaker 3: I you know, have taken my two young sons out
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  Speaker 3: hunting with me for a lot of years now, and
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  Speaker 3: oftentimes the period of time that I have the most
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to take them historically has been in the late season,
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  Speaker 3: and so we go into a box blind that have
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  Speaker 3: a heater out there, and it was pretty comfortable for him, right.
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  Speaker 3: But the last two years, my oldest son, he's seven now,
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  Speaker 3: he's wanted to get a little bit more adventurous with
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  Speaker 3: it more and more, so we've started kind of doing
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  Speaker 3: something on the ground spot and stock tile style gun hunts.
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  Speaker 2: And this weekend we did that.
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  Speaker 3: And it was really cold, really snowy, and there's no heater.
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  Speaker 3: We're out in the wind, and he's like, man, I
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  Speaker 3: gotta miss the groundbline right now dead. Those are some
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  Speaker 3: pretty nice hunts with a heater. He's all of a
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  Speaker 3: sudden understanding the world.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's you know, being tough is cool. But the
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  Speaker 4: older I get, the not I become less tough. Put
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  Speaker 4: it that way.
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  Speaker 2: He had nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 3: You did a video recently talking about your late season
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  Speaker 3: approach and you had two major cautionary notes, major points
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  Speaker 3: of concern that people need to watch out for as
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  Speaker 3: they approach late season hunting in that style you mentioned.
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  Speaker 3: The first of those was that you do not want
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  Speaker 3: to go into your good spots to hunt until the
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  Speaker 3: deer you want to kill is actually moving in daylight.
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  Speaker 3: You kind of broke down why that's so important and
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  Speaker 3: how to do that? Can you can you dive into
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  Speaker 3: that for us and explain why that's so important this
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  Speaker 3: time of year.
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  Speaker 4: Well, the deer this time of the year, there've had
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  Speaker 4: any pressure. They tend to be real skittish, real tough
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  Speaker 4: to kill because they just you know, they've been through it.
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  Speaker 4: They've been through the firearms season, whatever the case may be.
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  Speaker 4: They've had pressure. They're not coming out in daylight very much,
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  Speaker 4: so it takes time. You know, the conditions kind of
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  Speaker 4: have to fall into place for a little while, and
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  Speaker 4: they've got to get more comfortable, you know, not being pressured,
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  Speaker 4: and then finally they start moving daylight again. And I've
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  Speaker 4: seen it back in my you know years when I
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  Speaker 4: used to hunt on permission in a lot of places
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  Speaker 4: where they've been firearms, you know, hunted deer drives all that.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes it takes two weeks before they get comfortable moving
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  Speaker 4: in daylight again. So you can see all that sign
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  Speaker 4: on the ground, and you can see where they've been
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  Speaker 4: tearing up snow if there's snow or whatever it may be.
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  Speaker 4: You get excited and you think I need sitting here.
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  Speaker 4: But you go into that spot and then at the
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  Speaker 4: end of legal shooting time, you've got to get out
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  Speaker 4: of it, and that's about when the deer maybe you're
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  Speaker 4: starting to move a little bit toward those places. So
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  Speaker 4: now when you're exiting there, they're just reinforcing this whole
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  Speaker 4: idea that I can't go out during the daylight. I
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  Speaker 4: need to wait until dark, so you may only get
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  Speaker 4: a couple of really good late season hunts. You don't
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  Speaker 4: want to waste that equity or that capital whatever you
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  Speaker 4: gain by being patient by going in there and hunting
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  Speaker 4: a spot where the deer aren't going to be moving
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  Speaker 4: a deal because what you do, the damage that you
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  Speaker 4: do on the way out, might make it impossible to
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  Speaker 4: ever kill one there that season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is I guess the uh.
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  Speaker 3: This is where the secret sauce comes in trying to
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  Speaker 3: figure out this balance, right, because to your point, you
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  Speaker 3: don't want to do it. You don't want to hunt
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  Speaker 3: thosepots too much and educate the deer and then never
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  Speaker 3: get the chance. But on the flip side, there's also
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  Speaker 3: this this challenge that I think a lot of us
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  Speaker 3: face at least, where we are sometimes becoming beholden to
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  Speaker 3: our trail cameras and waiting for that buck to show
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  Speaker 3: up on camera before we go hunt. And then he
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  Speaker 3: shows up, there he is, and then he'd go on
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  Speaker 3: the next day, but then he's off doing something different
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  Speaker 3: the next day. How do you balance this need to
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  Speaker 3: wait but then not wait too long?
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  Speaker 4: That's more of a something that you see the early
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  Speaker 4: season and during the rut, where the deer are less
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  Speaker 4: likely to repeat a pattern. It's almost to guarantee if
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  Speaker 4: you see it buck in a certain spot during the rut,
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  Speaker 4: that they won't be there the next day. So the
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  Speaker 4: trail cameras aren't super beneficial from that standpoint. They tell
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  Speaker 4: you that the deer is in an area, so you
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  Speaker 4: hunt that area. But during the late season, I find,
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  Speaker 4: especially once they get past that danger fear you're not
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  Speaker 4: coming out in daylight, they become very very predictable, very patentable, because,
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  Speaker 4: especially if the weather pattern stays the same and it
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  Speaker 4: stays cold, they almost fall into They become almost I
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  Speaker 4: would say dumb. They're not really dumb, but they become
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  Speaker 4: so hard on that pattern that they'll follow it every day.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, if you're hunting one buck, you know
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  Speaker 4: that's a little bit tough. But if you're hunting like
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  Speaker 4: two or three deer and they're coming to the same location,
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  Speaker 4: pretty good chance that once they start start showing daylight,
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  Speaker 4: that you're going to have at least one of them
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  Speaker 4: there every night until the conditions change. You can anticipate it,
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  Speaker 4: you can try to anticipate it, but it's so risky
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  Speaker 4: if you get it wrong, because once again you're going
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  Speaker 4: to ruin that spot. I wouldn't but if you're going
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  Speaker 4: to try to anticipate it, you look at that cold
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  Speaker 4: front coming in in a really hard cold front during
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  Speaker 4: the winter usually gets them going that night, not you know,
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  Speaker 4: maybe the next few days too, But you want to
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  Speaker 4: be there that night. You know, if the forecast says
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  Speaker 4: it's going to get down to two degrees tonight, you
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  Speaker 4: know in my part of the country, well that's a
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  Speaker 4: cold snap. You better be out there. But again the
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  Speaker 4: cautionary note is if he doesn't come out, you might
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  Speaker 4: have ruined that spot for a while. And that's the
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  Speaker 4: risk because they're really really good at no one when
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  Speaker 4: they're being hunted. You just can't over over state how
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  Speaker 4: important it is to keep that element of surprise. During
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  Speaker 4: the rut, you can get away with doing a lot
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  Speaker 4: of kind of I would say marginal strategies because the
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  Speaker 4: deer are moving so much and they're going to be
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  Speaker 4: on their feet more. But during the late season, they've
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  Speaker 4: only got two places they're going to be, where they
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  Speaker 4: bed and where they eat, you know, and especially if
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  Speaker 4: their options where they can feed is limited, then don't
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  Speaker 4: screw that up, because that's what you're hanging your whole
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  Speaker 4: season on now.
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  Speaker 3: So if all of this is predicated then on confirming
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  Speaker 3: that the deer I want to kill is moving in
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  Speaker 3: daylight now and here what is how does your scouting
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  Speaker 3: differ now than it maybe did in the early season
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  Speaker 3: or during the rut, so that you can a confirm
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  Speaker 3: what I just said, but then be do it in
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  Speaker 3: a way that doesn't educate these deer that are so
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  Speaker 3: much spookier than they were any other time of the year.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm gonna elaborate a little bit more.
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  Speaker 4: If you're in a situation where you know they're never
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  Speaker 4: going to get to the food in daylight, then you
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  Speaker 4: may as well, you know, swing for the fence. You
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  Speaker 4: may as well go into the cover or find the
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  Speaker 4: trails between where they bed and where they feed and
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  Speaker 4: hope to catch them earlier. But again, you're sitting in
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  Speaker 4: a tree, you know, under some really rough conditions. So
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  Speaker 4: anyway that that is possible, that is doable. But to
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  Speaker 4: answer your question, obviously, a long range any long range
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  Speaker 4: scouting with binoculars would be useful. But the trail camera
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  Speaker 4: obviously makes it a lot easier, you know, and even
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  Speaker 4: if you run a non cell camera, you can go
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  Speaker 4: in there at midday and pull the cards and see
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  Speaker 4: what's you know, see what's going on. I used to
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  Speaker 4: do that during the late season, you know, before I
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  Speaker 4: was running any cell cams. So you don't need cell
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  Speaker 4: cameras to make this work. And you don't even need cams,
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  Speaker 4: you just need you would need time, you know, in
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  Speaker 4: order to be able to swing past those areas and
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  Speaker 4: glass them real quick, you know, in the last fifteen
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  Speaker 4: to twenty minutes of daylight and see what's out there,
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  Speaker 4: But you just don't want to. Again, my point is
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  Speaker 4: they're so hard to kill late season. You don't have
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  Speaker 4: anything going for you other than one thing. It's very
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  Speaker 4: easy for them to stop doing, and that's coming to
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  Speaker 4: a specific spot defeat. If you give them any excuse
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  Speaker 4: not to do it, they're not going to do it.
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  Speaker 3: With the cameras, since that's that's a big part of
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  Speaker 3: the possible scouting plan, how do you like to have
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  Speaker 3: those set up? What kinds of locations are you setting
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  Speaker 3: your late season cameras? And then number two, what's the
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  Speaker 3: concentration of cameras when you're trying to figure this that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, sometimes people might have one camera on a
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  Speaker 3: food source, you know, in the rut maybe or earlier
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  Speaker 3: in the year. But at this point when everything is
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  Speaker 3: revolving around your food source, do you really, you know,
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  Speaker 3: have multiple cameras around a bunch of different entries and
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  Speaker 3: exits to these food sources.
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  Speaker 2: How does that look?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't. I'm pretty simple when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to that stuff. I mean, some people love to have
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  Speaker 4: tons and tons of cameras, and I kind of like
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  Speaker 4: the whole game of figuring it out like a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of a chess match. Still, and I don't have any.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I don't be grudge anybody doing it anyway,
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  Speaker 4: it's legal, but I would just put one on each
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  Speaker 4: food source and i'd point it. I probably either have
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  Speaker 4: it in the food source or very close to it
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  Speaker 4: where you can see the feeding area. Plus you can
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  Speaker 4: see the directions that the deer are coming from when
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  Speaker 4: they enter it. Unless it's in the timber where it's
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  Speaker 4: you know, one or three hundred and sixty degrees, you know,
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  Speaker 4: where they could come from. Any direction, you can usually
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  Speaker 4: isolate where they're going to be coming from fairly effectively
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  Speaker 4: that I've started using the stealth cameras that have the revolver,
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  Speaker 4: and those things are super cool because you could put
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  Speaker 4: one in the middle of your little small plot or
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  Speaker 4: your small corner of the field or whatever it is
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  Speaker 4: that you're hunting. It's got six zones and the camera
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  Speaker 4: actually moves inside the body and takes a picture depending
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  Speaker 4: upon where it picks up movement. So those are it's
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  Speaker 4: not the same as having six cameras, but it's probably
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  Speaker 4: the same as having two or three cameras. So those
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  Speaker 4: are pretty cool, but I don't only use those anyway.
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  Speaker 4: The point is if you can't figure it out with
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  Speaker 4: one camera, then you probably need two. But usually you
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  Speaker 4: can figure it out with one because you can point
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  Speaker 4: it more or less in the direction where they're coming from,
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  Speaker 4: and then you can see what time of day they're
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  Speaker 4: getting to the area, and you know, if it's forty
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  Speaker 4: five minutes after legal shooting time, you're like, dang, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not even in the game if I go back in
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  Speaker 4: the woods, you know, But if it's ten minutes, you
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  Speaker 4: know after, and I say after and before after after
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  Speaker 4: it so yeah, yeah, sorry, So but if it's ten
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  Speaker 4: minutes after whatever. Then you're like, Okay, I've got a
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  Speaker 4: chance here if I want to really push this, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, I could go in there a little ways
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  Speaker 4: and find the trails that these deer are using and
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  Speaker 4: try to catch them before you know they get out
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: into the open. I just feel sorry for people who
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: do that, to be honest with them. It's so cold,
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: and maybe certain parts of the country it's not so bad,
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: but for the deer to move really well in daylight
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: during the late season, it's going to be really really cold,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: and to sit in a tree stand. Gosh, I've done it,
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: and you better have good equipment because you can't last
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: very long. Maybe you hunt the last two hours and
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: that's it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Keeping those hands warm, that the fingers, that's so so critical,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: especially when you're bow hunting and you've got a buck
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: coming in you've got a hold onto that bow and
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: those I've had a few days where those fingers get
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: real cool.
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: My toes turn into little ice cubes. It's amazing. Literally,
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not exaggerating now. I mean I've been through it
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: enough that my toes right now are numb, and I
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: haven't been hunting super cold yet, but you know, if
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: you frostbite your toes a few times, it doesn't take
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: very much before those things are almost perpetually numb. It'll
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: be by the time the late season is over with
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: they'll be numb. So it'll be probably February March before
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: I've got full feeling back in my toes. So yeah,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: even just saying oh, it's cold, well it can actually
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: be you know, almost detrimental cold.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yikes, a little bit more on those conditions. We've said, like,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: very cold is what we want. But when you say that,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: exactly how cold are we talking?
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: Can you get?
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Can you expand a little bit more on on just
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: the different conditions and how they impact dear. So other
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: than cold, a little precipitation or wind, how does all
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: that impact your late season thought process?
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I think if it's ten degrees below a seasonal norm,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: that's enough to call cold. You know. So if it's
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: a norm, you can see some movement, But when it
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: drops below then you start to see almost like a
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: little bit more panic. And when it's above the norm,
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: generally everything kind of halfway shuts down in daylight, unless
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: they dear are really really undisturbed because there's no urgency.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: There's no stress. They don't they don't feel that sense
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: of panic. The other thing, there's there's Laziason's kind of
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: complicated too, because if a state's really cold for a
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: long time, they shut down, so then they move on
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: a warm front. So it's almost like the fronts after
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: a sustained period of say normal, So if it's been
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: really cold and then you get a warm front, that
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: can trigger a lot of movement. But if it's been
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: normal or a little bit warmer than normal, then you
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: get a cold front that can also trigger that. And
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: there's something in the physiology of the deer that has
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: to change. It's almost like their thermostat readjusts. So you've
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: only got a period of say, maybe a month when
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: that readjustment takes place, to get into January and they're like, eh,
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: you know, it's ten below zero. I'm not feeding, you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: and they just lay up for two or three days
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: or whatever the case may be. It the thermostat changes,
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: and there's some there's some research been done on that
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: that I don't have my hands on right now, but
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: I think you'd find it fascinating that if it stays
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: cold for long enough, then the cold won't do it.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: The cold won't get them moving.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: How how how long of a period of that cold
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: do you think we need? I'm curious about if you
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: had to put a number on it in which you
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: could say, oh, well, if it was two weeks of
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: cold and then all of a sudden it bumped up
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: twenty degrees, would that be enough for you to be like, Oh,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: that's a day I want to hunt because when I
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: would see, you know, a forty five degree day in
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: the forecast, I might be like, Oh, that's going to
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: be lousy. But I want to make sure that if
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: you're saying there's a certain type of day when forty
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: five would be good, what exactly would that be?
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Well, it depends on whether you've got snow or no snow. Also,
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: because sometimes that warmer temperature takes some of the skim
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: off the snow. Maybe it takes a little you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: ice off the top, makes the snow softer, it makes
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: it easier for them to dig. I would say it
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: was two weeks of really really cold and it's forty five,
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: I think that's that'll kay come off for sure.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Do you find certain behaviors or food source preferences when
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: you get a warm up like that that have been consistent.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they will tend to go maybe a little bit
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: more towards greens than what they did when it's really cold.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: They just want carbohydrates. Yeah, and you know, they are
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: really attracted to the carbs, and they can find them
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: in different places. But I've got greens and corn, and
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: they're going to the corn right now, and we've had
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: i would say slightly below seasonal temperatures and it's supposed
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: to get pretty fringid again here in the coming week.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: They're going to be on that corn really hard. It's
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: like the rest of the year they're like, yeah, whatever,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: you know, all my greens, but the corn really comes
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: into being super attractive when they get to this point
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: now where the rut's over, it's cold, I need carbs
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: or I might die. You know. It's sort of almost
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: to that point with some of these bucks, and you
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: just see them as selling out going to the corn,
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: you know, when it gets really cold after the rut.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: What about beans? I feel like that's another carb that
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: a lot of folks love. If you had corn beans either.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Or no, I mean if you don't have corn beans,
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: for sure, the beans are more of a protein food source,
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: a little bit less on the carb side. Sorghum has
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: got a decent amount of carbs also, but not as
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: much you know, per pound or per whatever, you know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: as as corn does. Corn is like starch. I mean,
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: they're they're just on that. But I've definitely had some
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: great late season hunts on beans, but that's only because
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: I didn't have corn nearby. They were going to go to,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: you know whatever, it was handy. But the farm that
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I own now has pretty fairly low or moderate year density,
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: and I've got tons of food. So it's kind of
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: interesting to see what they what they prefer when they
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: have choices, and they are definitely on corn right now,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: but I'd say way way more than anything else.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: How do you So here's that this is a larger,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: larger set of questions here, but something that I've wrestled
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: with at all different parts of the year. But I'm
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: curious in the late season when you have a place
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: to hunt that has multiple food source options in different directions.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: So it's not that they're all stuck going to the
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: south because that's your only food source, But on a
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: given day in the late season, if they've got corn
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: to their east, and they've got corn to the north,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: and then they've got beans to the south, and then
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: they have you know, a recent cut cutover to the
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: to the other direction. They've got options. How do you
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: go about determining which one of those possible options is
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: the best on any given night in the late season?
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Do you do you play wind into that at all?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Is there anything else that helps you pick which one,
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: which you know, spot on the dial they might go
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: when there's a bunch of different ways they could.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they'll use the wind more than you know.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: I think that it's a little bit tougher to uh
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: put yourself in front of them, because of all the
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: options that they have. But still they can. They can
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: get after a certain point, so entrenched in a certain
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: feeding area that they might give up a little wind
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: advantage because now they've got so comfortable going there. But
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: that's a pretty rare situation where most people hunt. The
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: deer are still skittish. They're they're not going to walk
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: into a cornfield and broad daylight with the wind at
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: they're back. You know, it's pretty rare. I mean, they
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: might on my farm, you know, another week or two,
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: because you know, excuse me, I'm not going to be
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: in there. There's no honey pressure. The deer might get
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: so comfortable that they'll come into the feeding areas with
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: the wind at the back, but normally you're going to
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: need a cross wind or something like that. You got
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: to figure out. And you can even tell that a
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: little bit on your truck camp photos if you got
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: cameras on each one of those locations, because you can
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: play the wind direction versus what direction the deer come
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: from and what time the day they get there, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: you can kind of figure it out. But when they
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: have options, they do what's best for them. Yeah, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: so they're going to play the wind.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: What about situations where there's a lot of in the
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: timber food, whether it be natural brows or masts, and
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe it's just a year where there's just tons
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: of acorns and so that's still out there a lot.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: How's that factor into things for you?
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Well, and that's that's the strength and the weakness of
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: my farm. It's the strength from the standpoint, is the
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: deer get as much nutrition as they could possibly want,
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: But it's the weakness that they don't have any urgency
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: to feed because there's food everywhere, so they're not to move.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: And everybody thinks, oh, the deer move. You know, you
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: go to food every night. Well, what if the food
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: is right there where they're bedded, you think they're gonna move. No,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: the rut will make them move, but they're not coming out.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: They don't come out, so that means you, you know,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: for the part of the year when it makes sense
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: to go in after them, that's your only option is
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: you can't wait for them to come out because there's
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: no urgency. There's so much food available to them everywhere
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: they go. And that's good, I mean, you want that,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: but again, the deer are only very let's say, killable
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: when they're stressed. The more stress they have, the more
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: killable they are. So without any stress, there's no urgency,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: they don't have to do anything. So anyway, to answer
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: your question, snow, excuse me. Snow is kind of your
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: friend at that point because it covers everything and it's
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: a lot easier to go into a cornfield and smell,
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: you know, a deer a corn under six inches of
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: snow that it is to find two acorns, you know
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: that are you know, underneath one of the oak trees
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: that every been eat yet. Yes, so I think that
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: snow definitely is a big equalizer at that point, but
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: it can be really tough. I knew a fellow one time,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: a good friend that did a bunch of timber stand improvement,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: then fertilized the timber. I don't know how he did it,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: but he fertilized it. And he said that there never
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: came out. So it's the worst idea because they never
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: they never moved, they never came out. He hardly killed
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: anything for two years. So that that kind of goes
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: to your point on that if there's a lot of
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: food in the timber, you're going to expect, you know,
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: pretty low return on your investment of time sitting in
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: the open. Yeah.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: So I know you mentioned that it would be not
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: necessarily fun because he's had to be cold and be
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: in a tree. But let's say that for some reason,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: all of your crop's gone next year. Yeah, the only
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: food source you had were those acorns on your ridges.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: If I told you next year, all right, billy, you've
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: got to kill a buck during the late season next year,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: and you're not gonna have your cornfields, and you just
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: have to take advantage of the natural food sources. How
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: do you think you would if you were forcing that situation?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: How do you think you go about doing it?
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Well? I think that I I don't think they see
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: danger the same when they're in the timber. I think
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: you can hunt them on warmer days, So I would
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: just hunt the warm days, Okay, I don't think that
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: would slow them down for feeding, you know, twenty or
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: thirty yards from their bedding area, you know, or fifty
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: yards or one hundred. I mean, you've got to get
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: some you know, comfort zone between you and them. It's
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: just really hard because if there's snow on the ground
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: in particular, you're not going to sneak in there, right,
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: you know, It's like it's either squeaks underfoot or it
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: crunches underfoot and they can see it from a mile away.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, we wear snow camo now for almost all
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: of our entry at the exit. And that's even when
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: we're hunting in the open all right, just by the
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: chance that some deers that is close enough to see
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: us passing through and still use cover, still sneaking through
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: behind you know, standing corn if there's some or a
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: fence row or whatever. But wearing snow cameo. Yeah, the
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: late season is tough.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: It is, so speaking of I've got to kind of
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: condition two more condition related questions, and you mentioned one
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: of them, which is warm weather, and maybe that helps
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: you in a big woods type situation. But we talked
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: about how maybe a warm up can help. But what
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: if it's just consistently warm, Like we've had some late
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: seasons where we've all been just waiting and praying and
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: hoping for the big coal from and we never get it,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: and we've got it's Christmas or it's New Year's and
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: it's t shirt weather. What do you do when your
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: only time off and is stuck with that kind of
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: set of conditions.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Well, you would have to go in after them for sure,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: because they're just not going to come out, even in
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: areas without much hunting pressure where they're not feeling you know,
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: that that vulnerability like they might in areas that have
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: gotten pressure. Uh, they still don't move well in the
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: late season, right when it's warm, and we've seen it,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: like again, my farm is a little bit different because
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: there's not tons of deers and they don't have to
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: feed in the open. They do if it gets really,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: really bad like it's been. But otherwise they just stay
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: back in the timber. I've seen years where we could sit,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: you know, four or five six nights in a row
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: in late December in spots for the deer and never
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: seen a hunter that season and not see it deer.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: So the only way you're going to kill those deer
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: is going after almost like to do during the rut. Okay,
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: which it's I don't know how to do it exactly
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: because I've never I've never really wanted one that ba
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: that late in the year. But if that's your thing,
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: you'd have to. You have to figure out where they're
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: bedded and then find you know, something as close to
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: that as you can get where you're playing the wind
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: and hope the best.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, I had one more follow up prior to
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: warm weather on the cold side of things. So back
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: to the cold fronts. There's a lot of discussion and
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: you mentioned this a little bit around the best moments
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: around a cold front, and you mentioned, you know, the
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: night of being great and maybe those couple of days after,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: But what about when you have these fronts pushed through
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: that come with a bunch of wind, like those blizzards
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: that come in, you've got all this snow and it's
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: happening tonight. You've got it's way colder tonight. The snow
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: is happening right now, but there's also a fifteen twenty
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: mile an hour winds. Some people like, man, I don't
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: want to miss that because this is you know, yesterday
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: was forty five and today it's seventeen. So should you
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: be out there on that kind of night or do
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: you want to wait till it settles down and the
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: bluebird skies show up and it's a little bit more relaxed.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: I think you can hunt them both, because I think
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: that wind and that stormfront going through is going to
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: cover a lot of the coming and going. You know
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: that you're you know the damage that you might be
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: doing that way, So I would hunt I would hunt
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: them both. I would ideally have somebody that can come
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: with a vehicle or something and get me out of
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: there at the legal shooting time on the first evening.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: But even then, if it's windy and snowing, you just
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: if you've got deer right there, non target deer, you're
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: not getting out of there without somebody coming and running
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: them off. So you almost have to have that in
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: the plant, and then the next evening might be the
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: better one of two. I would say, if you had
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: to pick between when the front is going through and
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: it's windy with a lot of snow or the next
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: day when you got high pressured it's cold, I would
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: take the second day if you have to pick one
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: of the two. But there's no downside to hunting that
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: blizzard or that really and that when the front comes through,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: because you'll see some movement then, but generally you can
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: get out of there easy because of that, you know
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: that whatever you call it, the version or whatever the
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: weather's creating.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do love those windy nights when you
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: can slip out and it feels like you're a little
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: bit you're not quite invincible, but you definitely have a
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: little bit more of a margin for safety versus the
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: perfectly still, perfectly quiet, crunchy where they hear you a
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: mile away.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: That's those are deadly I hate.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So on that note in
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: this video that I referenced earlier, you had two cautionary notes.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: The second one was that you must have some way
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: to get out of your hunting locations in the evening
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: because of the scenario you just mentioned there, there's all
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: these deer out there. How do you get out without
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: spooking them? Can you walk me through you know, your
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: best options that you currently use or have used to
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: be able to exit a late season evening hunt without
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: ruining it for the next time.
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: Well, I think if you have somebody that can come
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: in there to spook the deer, that's ideal. And if
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: you're in farm country, it's even better. Yet if they're
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: on a tractor, because for some reason, that rumble of
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: attractor and that, you know, just that type of activity
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: the deer they don't pay an attention to it. I mean,
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: we started using tractors to access some of our more
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: sensitive spots, driving right through the middle of farm and
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: you know, I look at the trail cameras and you
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: know we drive through maybe at you know, one o'clock
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: in the afternoon to go to the location and then
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: you come back out after darker course, and the deer
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: are just minutes behind you when you travel through there
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: on a tractor, but when you travel through there on
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: a four wheelder, you know, it's hours behind you. And
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: if you travel through there on foot, it can be
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: a day or more, you know, before they're back to normal.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: So the comparison really leads me to the tractor is
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: the ideal way to get in and out of sensitive
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: spots in any kind of ad country, just because of
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: the comfort that deer have with tractors for whatever reason.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: So that's that would be the very best thing. If
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: you had somebody that could jump on a track or
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: drive out there, drive right up to the blind or
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: the tree stand or whatever, and you just climb down
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: and get into it and keep right on going, don't
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: even turn it off. That that would be the perfect solution.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: The second, if you're like, Okay, it's just me though,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: you know, like I don't have this this other person.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: I've never done it, but I've had a number of
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: people say that if you take like a take a
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: paint can and you put rocks in it, and you
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: you know, run a string across the field and you
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: hang it over a tree branch, and then you know,
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: the paint can is sitting on the ground and at
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: the end of legal shooting time, you jerk on that
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: string a few times and you rattle the rocks around,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: you know, like on the other side of the food
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: plod other side of the field. Then you know, at
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: least they're looking in that direction, you know, and they're
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: not like you could say, well I could do that
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: at my blind. Well yeah you can, but then they
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: associate risk with your blind or your tree stand. You
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: want that spooking to come from somewhere else. Like I
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: can give you a perfect example that one night we
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: hunted a spot and a rabbit came running out of
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: the cover and it blew the field. And you're like, well,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: that rabbit just blew this field. But how bad was that?
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: When we came back the next night, all the same
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: deer came out at the same time again, and you know,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I end up shooting one of them. So yeah, you
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: blew the field, but it's way different than if you
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: blow the field by coump climbing down out of your
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: tree stand or or you know, out of your ground blind.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: So I just thought, well, what if you get a
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: monster truck, like a little remote control monster truck and
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: you have and I haven't seen one yet it has
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: like a remote start, or I'd have one and just
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: leave it in the blind or whatever, you know, and
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: you get there and you just run it out to
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: the other side of the food plot and it just
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: sits there, you know, idling or whatever it does. You know,
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: fire it up and have it come tearing out in there.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: I guarantee you they'd they'd be back out an hour
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: and a half trying to figure out, you know, what
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: was that rabbit or what was that crazy thing that
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: came flying out of the brush. Right, So, anyway, the
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: bottom line is you've got to be creative somehow if
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: it's just you, or you've got to have a spot
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: that's so easy, so well screened, where you climb out
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: of your stand and you're in a ditch. And I've
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: had spots like that, you know where if it's just you,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: you're not you and a cameraman and all your gear,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: you just climb down the back of the tree, you
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: get right in behind a row of cedars, or you
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: get into a ditch or whatever it is and you're
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: out of there. Maybe it's a creek, you know, something
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: where you just go slow and quiet and use the
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: back of the tree and you can get out. That
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: will work too, but those those setups are pretty rare. Yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: So anyway, the point is if they know they're being hunted,
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: that's the whole game. If they know they're being hunted,
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: you can't kill them during the late season. Sometimes you
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: can during the rut because of what's going on, but
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: you can't do it during the late season, and they
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: just aren't going to tolerate it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: What about bikes, e bikes, regular bikes, anything like that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: I know that doesn't solve your problem of getting out
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: of the tree, But what if you can get out
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: of the tree without deer spooking you, but then you
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: know you're going to have to get past some fields
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: eventually they have deer would take in a bike through,
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: there still be a better option.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. And you want the lights on,
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think it's almost like, I
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: don't know what it is. It's just kind of weird.
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: They just stand there and watch them go by. You know.
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: I've I don't have one. I've got a like an
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: electric four wheeled buggy that we use sometimes and we
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: generally don't run the lights because we're not going past deer.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: You know, we're usually taking you know, like a backtrail
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: back to the h back to the buildings. But I
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: think if you got to go past the deer, I
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: think you just you just go as fast as you
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: can with the lights on, and I think they would
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: just watch you go by, like what the heck was that? Yeah,
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: ideally they can't smell you. I think if they could
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: smell you, I think that that would be bad. But
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: they don't really know what that is. No, it's not
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: like that's something that they see every day. I don't
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: think they're going to hold it. They're not going to
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: see it as Oh, I understand that danger. You know
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: that's a risk. I'm not going back there again. I
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: think it's more like that was weird. I just ran
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: away from something. But what the heck was?
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gotta be gotta be less bad than two
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: legged human form that they know is the most yeah
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: way way.
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: So, I know you've done some creative sleepover type situations
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: in the past. I know you did that in the timber.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: I know you've done that in some blinds in the past,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: like during the rut.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe is there ever a situation.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: In the late season where you have or you would
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: consider sleeping overnight and waiting till they clear out in
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: the morning and then going note.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Well, you could, but you better have a really effective
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: way to sleep comfortable. And you know that bunker that
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: we put in and if you ever saw that one,
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: but it was a well insulated camper shell that Carson
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: and I put back in the woods, and we hunted
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: there one time this season. I figured we'd hunt there
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: a bunch, but I would say it was in the
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: twenties that night, and it was so warm in that
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: bunker that we almost didn't need sleeping bags. Wow. So
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: I think that would be the key if you're going
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: to do that makes sense. Ground lines are super cold
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: to sleep in because let's say it's ten degrees out.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: The air going underneath the blind is ten degrees, So
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: you're sleeping on something that's maybe a couple inches away.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: You know, if you've got some insulation, it's ten degrees.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: But if you're on the ground, and let's say you're
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: in a little building, or maybe you're even just in
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: a bibi sack for Heaven's sake to scrape all the
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: snow away, now the ground's probably thirty degrees, you know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: and then as you lay on and it kind of
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: warms up a little bit, maybe gets up to forty
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: by the time you get up in the morning. Right
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: underneath where you're sleeping. That's way better than sleeping in
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: the blind itself. Sleeping in blinds is really really cold.
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: I've done it a few times, and if it's cold
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: at all, that's a miserable time. But the ground is
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: way better.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: So if you were.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: Is there any situation where you could get away with
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: running a little like buddy heater or something for periods
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: of time to toast you up if you were going
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: to do the blind thing? Or would would just having
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: that kind of I guess that's no different than humans.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think they're like the implication.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Floor the floor is just too cold. Yeah, it's just miserable.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: It's sort of like when I started sleeping out. People
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: always say, why don't you get in those portal ledges
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: like the rock climbers use, you know, and just stay
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: right in your tree. You'll pull it out of your pack,
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: set it up, stay right there, climb into and climb
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: back out before daylight and you're in your tree. Well,
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: two things, two reasons against that. One is just spreading
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: a lot of scent because now the wind is blowing
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: through there and carrying your scent a long ways down wind.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: The other one is you're always going to be whatever
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: the temperature of the air is, that's always going to
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: be what you're sleeping against. So if you climb down
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: and you got a little babysack in a you know,
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: minus thirty degree sleeping bag or whatever, and you scrape
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: the leaves away and you're sleeping right at the base
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: of the tree, it's warm and cozy, you know, and
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: bivysack is going to you know, if it's nylon, you know,
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: it's pretty much scent containing. The wind blows over the
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: top of it, the dude don't really pick up much
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: older down wind of view. You kind of get away
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: with you know, almost like cheating. It's think about me.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: I know, you do some elkhunting. Everybody thinks about Spike
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: camping out and they think, oh, yeah, Spike camping out.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: That's cool. Yeah, But all of a sudden you try
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: that with white tails and they think you're crazy. It's
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: no different. Yeah. The good point.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: What you know, here's the flip side of this whole conversation.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: This side of the conversation. How to get out in
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: the evening. That's what all the attention gets put on,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: right for late seasons.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: How do you get out? How do you get out?
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: How do you get out?
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: A lot of times folks forget that it's not easy
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: to get in sometimes for evening hunts, you know, deer
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: are betting much closer to the food sources more often
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: this time of year. There's not as much visual cover
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: as there used to be. Everything seems to be louder.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: How do you especially like where you hunt now, where
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: you have these great big bluffs and hills over top
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: of all your fields, How how do you think about
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: getting in for those evening hunts without spooking deer?
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Ideally you have top access where you're only hunting stuff
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: on top, and you can come in from the top
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: when you have to. When it's all bottom access, that's
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: really tough because especially if there's snow, because the deer
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: can hear it a lot better. Because of the snow,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: you don't get that muffling effect like you do with
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: a bunch of vegetation and leaves and stuff. But the
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: other thing is they can, in theory see you better.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: And I did a quick study on that and just
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: went around one winter when we were doing TSI and
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: just went to every deer bet I can find and
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: just dropped down into it, you know, put my head
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: out about the height where a deer's head would be.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: There's only about ten to twenty percent of them that
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: can see anything. They don't just bed where they can see.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: I think they bed where they have a wind advantage
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: coming in from behind them. But it's not like I'm
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: sitting here where I can see everything below me. But
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: there are a percentage of them that are bedded in
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: those spots, you know. So it's just it's not easy.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, like I said, the snow camo is better
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: for that. Ideally, you would have some kind of away
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: like a ditch or you know, some cedar trees or
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: standing crop, or to sneak through. I mean, if you
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: can sneak through you know, standing cornfield and get to
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: the tree stand on the other end of it, I mean,
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: that's that's pretty fool proof. But when you're just wide
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: open walking across a cattle pasture, it's like good luck.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: You better hope that the deer that you're hunting isn't
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: near or isn't bettered where it can see, because when
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: the first one jumps up and runs off, the rest
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: of them go too. It's it's a Yeah, access is huge,
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: you know in those situations.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And sometimes in those scenarios, I know, people like
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: to get a ride in, right, someone drives them in
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: on the tractor or the truck and drops you off,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: and then they drive back out, and then the ideas
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: that the deer feel okay, the same the danger left.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: I've had sometimes where I've tried that in the late
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: season and it just they're they're just even spookier because
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: it's laceys and so open. I've seen like just herds
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: of deer just go tearing off even when a truck
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: or something this drives back there. Would you ever do
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: something that late season or have you seen the same thing?
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: I think again, a tractor might be okay, but you
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: need to do it early. You can't like two hours before,
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: you know, you'd you'd have to go in late morning
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: or mid morning even and give the deer plenty of
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: time to readjust and come back because they aren't definitely
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: afraid of tractors. They're definitely afraid of four wheelers sometimes,
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: and they can be definitely afraid of trucks, but they
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: aren't definitely afraid of tractors. So in theory, you could
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: pull it off because they would start drifting back again
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: if they don't have any other options. If they've got
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: to the places the feed, they're probably not going to
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: come back. They'll just you know, shift their attention to
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: a different spot regardless because now they run in a
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: different direction. And you know why bothered even come back.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: But I've definitely seen it when it gets really cold
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: and the deer get really in that panic state where
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: they're going to come back. So yeah, we know that
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: they they aren't going to come if they know you're
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: if something's messed up. So anyway, the point is it's
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: just late season. You've got to be really really good
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: at your game, or you've got to have a really
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: really good setup because everything's in the deer's advantage by
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: the late season.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: So I've got just a handful more specific questions about
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: kind of those little details, those little things you need
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: to have dialed or be creative with. And one of
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: those is just when you're actually in the blind or
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: in your stand again, everything seems elevated. It seems like
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: stuff's louder, it seems like your movements are easier to catch.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Those deer are just in general so much more wired
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: than they were three months ago.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Real quick.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Are there any little tricks of the trade you've picked
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: up over the years to help deal with either the
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: sound or site issues that we have this time of year?
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Start hunting with a muzzleoder? Yeah? No, And seriously, that's
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: what you see a lot of people do. They switch
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: over to the gun, but there aren't any shortcuts. It's
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: just a brutally hard time to kill the deer with
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: the bow unless you've got to really, really good setup.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: And you know, I don't say that lightly because I've
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: been doing it for so long and I've tried to
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: hunt late season for I think the past thirty six seasons,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: and the amount of successes that I've had are pretty small.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: I've had a lot of close calls, and I've had
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: some fun hunts, but you're gonna get a lot of
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: you know, seventy yard encounters and then you think, oh, man, tomorrow,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: I got it. Well, when you leave, he spooked three
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: dos on the fringe of the plot that you didn't
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: know were there. And then you come back the next
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: night and you know, four fawns and a spike buck
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: come out. It's just unforgiving, very unforgiving, and that's why
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: that first hunt has to be so bulletproof. And they
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: generally if it's a concentrated area where you feel like, okay,
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: I can get the deer tight, I got them bottled,
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: those spots generally don't last until the late season the
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: food's gone. Ters you're hunting bigger areas, like maybe it
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: was a four acre cornfield or a two acre you
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: know whatever, where you're hunting in the back corner of
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: a commercial agg field. And now the deer don't have
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: excuse me, they don't have any motivation to use the
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: same exact trail. They might come to the same spot
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: in the end, out in the middle and whatever it is,
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: but they come from different directions every night. So yeah,
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: you can be in the game and feel pretty good
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: about it, you know, but it's really hard to be
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: right there on that spot. Does that make sense?
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've lived that way too many times.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: That's where that's why the gun is a great equalizer,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: you know, for the people who have got their butt
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: kicked all both seasons. It's like, give me the muzzle,
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: oder I'm going to go, you know, get a little
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: revenge here. And you see that a lot and I
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: don't blame those people one bit.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm one of them most deers.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Is there any late season scenario in which you would
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: try a morning hunt, and if so, how do you
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: pull that off?
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it could have been good still, because
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: like on my cameras right now, there's a lot of
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: running activities still on my cameras, and the bucks are
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: still fighting almost every night. Now, I'd say they're more
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: more focused on just interacting and jacking around than they
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: are on feeding. They feed, but then they go chase
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: a dough off, and then they come back and feed,
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: and then they fight with another buck for ten minutes
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: and then they leave. Then you maybe pick them up
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: on another camera quarter of a mile away doing the
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: same exact thing on another plot. So I think they're
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: still pretending like it's the rut, you know, whether there's
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: some funds that are still coming into estros, so whatever
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: the case may be, I don't think the rut finishes
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: up as early as people think it does, you know,
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: I think it rolls clear into the early part of December,
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: you know, up until now. Still, I mean, these bucks
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: on my cameras are still acting running and I'm not
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: saying that all the same funnels that you hunted during
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: the rut when they were going from the doughbating area
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: to doughbating area, But those are still going to be good.
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: But I think there's more random movement going on back
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: in the timber than what people think. Still, so that
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: that's the one thing that has surprised me over the
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: past few years is really that understanding that the run
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: their behavior, they're running type behavior lasts longer than what
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: we think it does.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: So you're saying, like, if you have a spot that
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: you could get into safely for morning hunts in those
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: types of transition morning zones, it could be worth it,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: at least for the first half.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: I think. I think if you've got any kind of
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: an evening pattern that's working out or makes sense, you
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: stay away from where those deer might be betted. But
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: there's nothing that says that a morning hunt won't work.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: Morning hunts step morning hunts definitely will work. It's just
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: usually so cold, and you're so focused on those evening
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: feeding areas that you don't really think too much about it,
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: and you're you don't want to take that risk of saying, well,
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: I know that the deer better here, and they're feeding
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: over here, maybe I can snuggle in next to where
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: in they're bedded and catch them in the morning. Like
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: you're almost like, you know, whatever you say cheating Peter
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: to pay Paul or whatever, you know, where you're pulling
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: away from one or the other. But if you've got
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: options where you can say, Okay, i could get my
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: money unts over here, but I've got my potential evening
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: pattern that I'm waiting on for those pieces to click
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: over here, then then it probably makes sense.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, calling in the late season, especially when you're
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: bow hunting, is there ever a scenario you would try calling?
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: I can't. It's shocking. I wish I could just send you.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: I looked at all my photos this morning, and I'll
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: bet you on every single place where I had a camera,
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: the bucks were fighting, wow, fighting, and it just went
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: it was like they I don't know if they were
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: technically fighting. I think they were probably still and just
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: jacking around, you know, but it'd be like this buck
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: was over here messing around with this buck, and then
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: you know, five minutes later he was messing around with
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: a different buck, and then a couple of minutes later,
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: get two other Bucks in there. You know. It's almost
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: like if two bucks get together anywhere, they feel like
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: they got to, you know, see who's the man. So
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: I think rattling would work, you know, and they it does.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: Even on camera, you can see it does attract some
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: attention because you'll see two bucks fighting in one corner
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: of the plot, and then a couple of frames later,
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: you'll see the other bucks from the other corner coming over,
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: you know, to see like, hey, what's going on over here.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: So I don't think it's the same as during the
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: rut when the bucks are fighting over does and they
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: understand that, hey, there's a dough there. Because these two
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: bucks are fighting, it's more like, yeah, maybe I'm the man.
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: You know. These guys are over here acting like tough guys,
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: but hey, I better go over there and show them that,
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm the man in this area. So it's
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: almost like a little dominance thing because all of a sudden,
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: you mash them all back together again, you know in
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: the big mixer, where during the rut they were kind
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: of scattered around, and but now they're like more concentrated
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: and they're just trying to figure it out again. It's
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: almost comical to watch what they do on these plans.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: So I think you could battle, you know, I really do.
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: How late do you think you would consider that? Is
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: there an expiration date or do you think you could
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: clear on through the late season?
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: All the way through.
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: I think. I think as long as they're carrying antlers,
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: I think you could rattle. I really do. And I
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: don't do it because I don't like rattling to begin with.
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: I just don't like messing with antlers. But I think
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: if I don't see any downside to that because of
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: what I'm seeing on my cameras and the way these
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: deer behave.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: So in the same kind of vein, then have you
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: ever thought or tried a decoy for late season?
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: You know? And there's again, I'm a very like simple hunter.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: I don't use sense. I don't do a lot of calling.
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: I've ever used decoys. I just like the whole game
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: of like being almost like getting the deer on his turn.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: You know, it may not be the most effective way
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: to do it. But the thing I had two things
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: I don't like about decoying. One, I don't like carrying
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: them because now you got to get them in. You
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: got to get them out. So at the end of
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: legal shooting time, how am I going to go get
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: that decoy out of this field because there's probably deer
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: there are going to be coming in or whatever. The
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: other thing is. If the does come out first, then
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: you know, I've had some bad experiences with you does
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: not really liking the decoy. So I think in a
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: really specific situation where maybe the only deer you're going
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: to see is a couple of bucks that you're hunting
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: and then you cut the decoy out there, it might
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: be just fine. But on a really large scale, late
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: season set up, excuse me, where you've got multiple deer
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: coming into an area to feed, I don't think it
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: would be good. I just think there's too many eyes
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: and there's too many things working against the decoy not
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: spooking deer, and you also have to get it out
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: of there at the end of legal shooting time. And
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: you know, if you have that person that drives up
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: to the you know, the edge of the plot or
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: the edge of the field or wherever you're sitting, and
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: they spook the deer off, then yeah, you can run
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: out there and grab it. I don't know, they probably
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: work it's sort of like sense people ask me secon
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: questions and I don't know the answer because I just
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: don't use them.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a tough one. I feel like the same way.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: It's really intriguing. I'd be interested. I think maybe it
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: could work. But do I really want to take the
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: risk to blow my.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Thing out to try it? I don't know.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, last question? What if we are just
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: trying to kill does and a bunch of them. It's
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: late season. We need to do our dough management. We
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: know we need to take some of these antler list
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: deer off the landscape. What's your advice for most effectively
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: having late season dough hunting success and not ruining it
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: all the first night?
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: Oh, for sure, you got to have a gun and
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: you got to stay back, because we've had some unbelievable
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: evenings of killing does in feeding areas when it's really cold. It's,
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: like I said, they're almost suicideal because they don't know
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: where that comes from. You shoot the first one, you
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: don't running out there and grab her and drag her off.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: You just reload your gun and you don't move, and
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: you don't you know the ones that were out there
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: with her. They ran about fifty yards and now their
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: standard back trying to figure out what happened. It's like thunder,
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: you know, it's just a sound, you know, And then
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: they start working their way back again because I really
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: want that, you know, whatever it is that they're going
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: to feed on. I killed five one night on one
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: food plot with a muzzleloader. Yeah. And it's unique because
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: these dere aren't getting a lot of pressure, so it's
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: not like there's a bunch of people running around out
• 57:33
  Speaker 4: there but guns all the time, So it's kind of situational.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: But if you can stay back, all they hear is
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: this rumble and a deer either falls or runs the
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: little ways and then falls. They don't really know for
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: sure what that was. It's it's uh, that's the way
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: to do it, you know, you got to shoot him
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: with guns.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's certainly a.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Fun way if you don't have a mature buck to
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: go after the late season. Once I switched to Domode,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: it instantly makes the hunts so much more fun, all
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: of a sudden, high target environment. I love that shift
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: in headspace.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: Well it's easy too, because now you can stay back.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: All of these issues we're talking about kind of go
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: away when you're one hundred and fifty yards away. Yeah,
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: you know you're not sitting right on the edge of
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: the bow range of everything.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a pretty great way to end the year,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: So you can't complain about that. Well, Bill, last thing,
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: where can folks catch your latest videos connect with you?
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: If there's anything else people should be checking out right now,
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: where can they find it?
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: The only thing that I'm really doing consistently is the
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: Bill Winki YouTube channel, and we're uploading to that quite
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: a bit, so that's h and I try to be
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: as responsive as I can. People have questions, you know,
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: in the comments section. Sometimes you get the stupid stuff
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: like you're aware of, but you know, ninety plus percent
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: of our viewers are there for the right reasons, so
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: you get some pretty interesting dialogues going on. It's almost
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: like a little mini forum where people can, you know,
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: ask questions and either other viewers can try to answer them,
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: I can try to answer them. So that's the best
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: way right now to catch up with me.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Perfect Well, thank you Bill for this. Thanks for decades
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: now of helpful articles and videos and help. As I've
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: told you before, you've been a huge influence on me
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: and my hunting over the years, and so many other people.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I appreciate that. The only thing I didn't
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: like about that was the decades.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, Bill.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: Much, you be like a handful of years. We could
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: go back thirty years.
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: Well, it's getting it's getting scary. I'm approaching almost two
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: decades of doing this stuff too. The time is just
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: going by crazy fast.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: So I guess what we're stilling.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: And I appreciate all that you do too. You're a
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: great spokesman for the hunting industry and for the sport.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: So thank you very much for the work that you do.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: I'm sure that you don't get many things. It's pretty
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: unheralded the efforts that you're putting forward, but you're doing
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: a lot more than most people give you credit for.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate you saying that, Bill, thank you. Let's
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: do it against so let's chest check again soon.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: Sounds good.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: You have a good day, all right, And that is
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: going to do it for another late season episode of
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: the Wired to Hunt podcast. I appreciate you tuning in
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: all this season. It's been a fun ride. As I mentioned,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: on Rock Fresh Radio. If you haven't listened to that
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: one yet this week, go back and listen to that.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: I detailed some of the fun.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Hunts I've been having with my son, and hopefully my
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: second SOL will be coming out hear of me soon.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: We've got some good late season weather that we're.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Hoping to take advantage of as well, so enjoy.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: We've got pretty great conditions the coming days, so take
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: advantage of those.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Enjoy these remaining
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: Days and weeks at the season, and until next time,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: stay wired to hunt.