Latest / Club 520 Podcast / Club 520 - Gilbert Arenas on CHANGING THE GAME, playing Jeff Teague, getting a BAG at Arizona
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- 1:14Speaker 2: From Hullisco Brisert World Club five twenty We out here
- 1:18Speaker 2: in Vegas Summer League doing the big and you know
- 1:21Speaker 2: what if you're happy to see this is the last
- 1:23Speaker 2: episode were doing in Vegas and what better way to
- 1:25Speaker 2: end it with the legend a special special guest. To
- 1:28Speaker 2: my left, we're gonna introduce my Man's last but to
- 1:30Speaker 2: my far left we got my dog Bishop be hearing.
- 1:32Speaker 4: Out the prailes. How you what? Nasty, cool and nasty.
- 1:34Speaker 1: Let's get to it, Ethic Gates are right, my dog young,
- 1:37Speaker 1: not y'all, young tig, How you what? I'm chilling bro
- 1:39Speaker 1: y'all know this is a special episode for me man
- 1:42Speaker 1: or number zero because of this guy. So I'm right,
- 1:45Speaker 1: it's a huge genre to have him on the show.
- 1:47Speaker 1: We all been trapping by the Doublus this weekend, so
- 1:50Speaker 1: sting to it.
- 1:50Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure.
- 1:51Speaker 1: Defeats we left them at the career. We out here
- 1:53Speaker 1: getting to it. Yeah, boy, it's crazy, it's for real,
- 1:55Speaker 1: for real.
- 1:56Speaker 2: Like me and him early on got really cool because
- 1:58Speaker 2: we shared a common theme, you know, saying I don't
- 2:01Speaker 2: know if you know this, but like this is like
- 2:03Speaker 2: you're his favorite player.
- 2:05Speaker 4: He wasn't about him wearing zero coup that was no podcast.
- 2:08Speaker 4: That's really ship.
- 2:09Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want a lot of money playing with
- 2:11Speaker 2: the whistle to k So you was definitely my favorite player.
- 2:14Speaker 4: He was locked in.
- 2:15Speaker 2: But if you know who this is, look, man Abachi,
- 2:17Speaker 2: the man who got it cracking pioneer hoops in the
- 2:20Speaker 2: NBA or style of play. They couldn't do like he did.
- 2:23Speaker 2: Gilbert Reader some gills and we appreciate you put out
- 2:26Speaker 2: the five twenty big Dogs. Man, appreciate appreciate it been
- 2:29Speaker 2: wait on this episode we had.
- 2:32Speaker 4: This man, why she have been doing your thing? Man?
- 2:34Speaker 4: Appreciate it.
- 2:35Speaker 3: I wanted to kick off though with a question how
- 2:38Speaker 3: you feel about Michael Eley picking up making good? How
- 2:42Speaker 3: you feel about Michael Eley picking up begging good?
- 2:44Speaker 6: Bro?
- 2:44Speaker 7: Is that out of pocket or what if you see
- 2:47Speaker 7: the whole thing he did? Shake dudes, hands first, then
- 2:50Speaker 7: he went to me.
- 2:54Speaker 4: Kind of made him un coming, you know, started looking
- 2:56Speaker 4: on his palm. You know, ain't got so he little
- 3:04Speaker 4: right and I'm a doctor, like he was about to
- 3:06Speaker 4: pull out the musket. Was dress like ship dressed like.
- 3:14Speaker 2: Unless we always tart to show up talking to heat
- 3:16Speaker 2: And what better person talk to you? Because listen, you
- 3:19Speaker 2: was a pioneer of the full game going crazy endgame.
- 3:22Speaker 2: And also I used to follow you back on their
- 3:24Speaker 2: Instagram back when you was giving away the jerseys and
- 3:26Speaker 2: shoes and the old career man, how was it like
- 3:30Speaker 2: having your own signature shoes starting off and then you
- 3:32Speaker 2: just playing in like crazy shit?
- 3:35Speaker 7: You know it when it came to signature shoes, you know,
- 3:38Speaker 7: it's always the hooper's dream to get their signature, right,
- 3:41Speaker 7: So when when it came to me with the idea,
- 3:46Speaker 7: like I wanted to be fully involved, right, and I'm like, yo,
- 3:50Speaker 7: I wear low tops. I don't wear real basketball shoes
- 3:53Speaker 7: like that and more lifestyle. I was wearing air Max
- 3:56Speaker 7: ninety fives in games, right, so everything was low tops.
- 3:59Speaker 7: So I was like, you know, want to design it
- 4:00Speaker 7: for more for you know, chilling like Jordan's people didn't
- 4:05Speaker 7: playing Jordan's right, people didn't playing Michael Jordan shoes.
- 4:09Speaker 4: They wore around. So that's how I wanted my shoe
- 4:11Speaker 4: to be.
- 4:13Speaker 7: When that first one launch and everybody loved it, it
- 4:15Speaker 7: was like, man, I was already trying to figure out
- 4:17Speaker 7: what we're gonna do with you know, part two. So
- 4:21Speaker 7: you know when that gun situation happened, they took that
- 4:23Speaker 7: motherfucker from me. Sit all the shoes I've ever had,
- 4:28Speaker 7: I just unleashed them, right because you know, even though
- 4:30Speaker 7: I didn't I couldn't wear Jordan's and stuff like that,
- 4:32Speaker 7: I always collected shoes. So uh, you know when I
- 4:35Speaker 7: got down to Orlando, it's like, I just wear every
- 4:38Speaker 7: shoe that.
- 4:40Speaker 4: Was putting was going crazy.
- 4:43Speaker 7: All the Pennies, yeah yeah, yeah, this man Penny was
- 4:47Speaker 7: my favorite player.
- 4:48Speaker 2: So and also you're playing in the air Max Plus,
- 4:51Speaker 2: was like, I know, the dgs get a lot of
- 4:53Speaker 2: like you played the air Max Plus. If you don't
- 4:56Speaker 2: know what that shoe that is one of these stiffest
- 4:57Speaker 2: shoes that does not have any group give waiting that
- 5:00Speaker 2: shoe for it back now for you the killer that
- 5:02Speaker 2: shoe you.
- 5:02Speaker 4: Was different, bro.
- 5:06Speaker 7: The only thing the only problem was when when you
- 5:08Speaker 7: like turning the corner in that bubble, hit that wood.
- 5:11Speaker 1: You're getting the slide for sure, for sure. My first
- 5:16Speaker 1: time playing against you, it was after the dun stuff.
- 5:19Speaker 1: You came back with John wallrookie year. You wasn't wearing
- 5:22Speaker 1: zero no more.
- 5:23Speaker 4: That was where nine. I was hurt.
- 5:25Speaker 1: Before the game. I'm like they like everybody knew, like baby,
- 5:28Speaker 1: and I'm like, are you about to play gil? What
- 5:30Speaker 1: you gonna do when you get out there? You're gonna
- 5:31Speaker 1: be a fan. I'm like, hell no, I'm asking for
- 5:33Speaker 1: a jersey. So I walked out there. You had nine
- 5:36Speaker 1: on them like, no, I don't want to know. I
- 5:39Speaker 1: don't want to know, bro, I want to know. I
- 5:42Speaker 1: was like, I ain't right. I'm like, I'm on the bench.
- 5:45Speaker 1: I'm at the end of the bench.
- 5:47Speaker 4: Why ain't wearing zero. He's like he putting that all
- 5:49Speaker 4: the way. He don't want to do that no more.
- 5:51Speaker 4: I'm like he tripping. I always hurt. I was like, man,
- 5:53Speaker 4: I asking me for shit. I got in.
- 5:57Speaker 1: Was my second year. I got in the game and
- 5:59Speaker 1: I walked up to you and I was like yeah.
- 6:01Speaker 1: He was like I got him. I got him because
- 6:03Speaker 1: Jamal was on our teams.
- 6:04Speaker 4: I got him. I got him. I was like a ship.
- 6:06Speaker 4: He think he think I'm saying.
- 6:11Speaker 1: Yeah, I got him. He was like, John, take Jamal,
- 6:13Speaker 1: I got him. I was like ship. I was like,
- 6:15Speaker 1: I ain't saying nothing. The rest of the game.
- 6:18Speaker 4: Is the way these needs work. You just got in.
- 6:20Speaker 8: Man.
- 6:20Speaker 4: I figured he was to get shooting like that. Man,
- 6:24Speaker 4: Jamal was on the court that green lay like that.
- 6:29Speaker 4: I got him. I got him. I'll never forget that. Man.
- 6:33Speaker 2: It's crazy, Man, what y'all doing over Gills Ren and
- 6:35Speaker 2: Man shout out to the crew changing the game. Man, Like,
- 6:38Speaker 2: I know we do a podcast, but it's like the point, y'all,
- 6:41Speaker 2: y'all not a podcast anymore. Y'all whole entity, And like,
- 6:44Speaker 2: could you talk about the difference between like going from
- 6:46Speaker 2: doing the pod to basically like being streamers and like
- 6:49Speaker 2: how that's changed, like the reactionary stuff and how that's
- 6:52Speaker 2: evolved for you guys as a business.
- 6:53Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 6:53Speaker 7: So you know I started back in two thousand and
- 6:56Speaker 7: eight when eighteen, when it was podcast was more just
- 7:01Speaker 7: like like serious radio. You know, it was I heart right,
- 7:09Speaker 7: it was just a voice. It didn't have to face.
- 7:10Speaker 7: And I'm like, man, I'm an NBA player, right, I'm
- 7:13Speaker 7: a I'm a I'm gonna get my followers by you
- 7:15Speaker 7: know me. So you know, I recorded it and then
- 7:18Speaker 7: put it out and then people started liking the idea.
- 7:21Speaker 7: So back then I was getting paid off the audio
- 7:23Speaker 7: and the video, so I was putting the same ship
- 7:25Speaker 7: boom boom boom.
- 7:27Speaker 4: Right.
- 7:28Speaker 7: I jumped out of it a few times because you know,
- 7:31Speaker 7: Matt them came in and then they started with showtime,
- 7:35Speaker 7: and then you know, they getting all the big guests.
- 7:37Speaker 4: I'm ever gonna lie they getting a listen. I'm getting seedless.
- 7:40Speaker 7: Man, damn, come on, man came in. So you know,
- 7:49Speaker 7: like sometimes you know, as athletes, we we we got
- 7:52Speaker 7: all the contact, but we don't want to. We don't
- 7:54Speaker 7: want to. Like I got Katie, but I don't want
- 7:57Speaker 7: to the motherfucker tell me. I got to hate the
- 8:00Speaker 7: nigga for no reasons. Trust So you know, I jumped
- 8:09Speaker 7: out of it, jumped back in, you know, and then
- 8:12Speaker 7: around like twenty twenty, what happened was.
- 8:19Speaker 4: COVID hit.
- 8:21Speaker 7: Everybody had to stop, so everybody had to go to
- 8:25Speaker 7: zoom and I said, oh, this is this is me
- 8:27Speaker 7: right now. So since everybody was room, I was watching
- 8:29Speaker 7: Peoples zoom and I'm like, that should look raggedy the
- 8:31Speaker 7: internet bad.
- 8:32Speaker 4: That should look all goofy. So I'm gonna just keep
- 8:35Speaker 4: doing live.
- 8:36Speaker 7: But since NBA players don't want to do it, I'm
- 8:38Speaker 7: gonna go to these high school kids, right, So I
- 8:40Speaker 7: went to all the top top high school kids because
- 8:43Speaker 7: they're gonna be willing to do it, and then from
- 8:45Speaker 7: there it just took off. Like this is when I
- 8:48Speaker 7: was with Fubo. I remember, so we did the finals.
- 8:53Speaker 7: It was the Finals watch party. So we're sitting here
- 8:55Speaker 7: and doing it right, looked at the numbers, Nick blow
- 9:00Speaker 7: out and just sitting there like man, when we just
- 9:07Speaker 7: when we do it just like ESPN, T and T styles,
- 9:11Speaker 7: like about four or five of us, and then we
- 9:14Speaker 7: just talked to sports like they do, but long version
- 9:17Speaker 7: they do like thirty thirty seconds a topic and then
- 9:19Speaker 7: they move on.
- 9:20Speaker 4: When we just do it like that.
- 9:21Speaker 7: So when I got the concept down, I met Rashad
- 9:24Speaker 7: at twenty four hour Fitness. Nigga didn't talk to me
- 9:27Speaker 7: for like two months. Nigga just just walking around me,
- 9:29Speaker 7: mugging and shit. Now you know how you got to
- 9:32Speaker 7: a nigga like like like a smile like, hey, man,
- 9:34Speaker 7: how you do it?
- 9:36Speaker 4: Just walk around for no reason? Man?
- 9:39Speaker 7: And then I asked him, like what you doing, man?
- 9:41Speaker 7: You should podcast? So he came on an episode. Brandon
- 9:43Speaker 7: came on an episode. So when I was looking for
- 9:46Speaker 7: a crew, I look for the niggas that I just
- 9:48Speaker 7: finished struggling to right, And then that's how that, Like,
- 9:51Speaker 7: I was like, I don't got no vision yet, man,
- 9:52Speaker 7: I know what I'm thinking, but I don't know how
- 9:54Speaker 7: it's gonna look.
- 9:55Speaker 4: Niggas like alright, I'm down shit.
- 9:57Speaker 7: And that's why, like when we started getting bigger than
- 9:59Speaker 7: I got your fight, like nah, when I didn't have it,
- 10:02Speaker 7: when I had just had a vision, no concept, these
- 10:05Speaker 7: news like I'm in, I'm in, let's go, and then
- 10:07Speaker 7: from there we just that's hard.
- 10:10Speaker 4: It ain't about it. It ain't about like.
- 10:16Speaker 7: Our egos, right, it's we all got a job to
- 10:19Speaker 7: do and we just do it.
- 10:21Speaker 4: So you know, my fud call me bitch ass nigga
- 10:23Speaker 4: in the middle of the show. I don't give you
- 10:26Speaker 4: know what I mean, I don't kid, man, this is
- 10:29Speaker 4: this is this is what we do. It's like a
- 10:30Speaker 4: lot of room.
- 10:31Speaker 2: Right yeah, listen, man, love the show. Y'all be going crazy,
- 10:35Speaker 2: y'all talk be going all across. And what I like
- 10:37Speaker 2: about it is that you know what I'm saying with this,
- 10:39Speaker 2: with this space, that everybody you know what I'm saying,
- 10:41Speaker 2: has a voice, has an opinion.
- 10:42Speaker 4: That everybody can get their own lane off. Y'all have cards.
- 10:44Speaker 2: Like I said, with the stream and stuff, it's so
- 10:46Speaker 2: prevalent now, like y'all want to go to places when
- 10:49Speaker 2: something happened and like I need type of goods reno
- 10:51Speaker 2: or something happened like even with Joe sorrh like hipposts off.
- 10:54Speaker 4: We're going live and are about this ship.
- 10:56Speaker 2: I think that wave is gonna be with next, but
- 10:58Speaker 2: I don't think it's something that people can like. You
- 11:00Speaker 2: can't replicate that, So kudos to y'all for making that situation.
- 11:04Speaker 4: Man.
- 11:04Speaker 7: It's it's you know, everybody's so especially with timing right everybody,
- 11:09Speaker 7: it's it's usually one two week episode, right and when
- 11:14Speaker 7: people talk about podcasts, that's the lane that's getting oversaturated, right,
- 11:19Speaker 7: the one two week right Right now, it's more about
- 11:23Speaker 7: putting as much information as you possibly can out right,
- 11:26Speaker 7: Like you guys are in the stage where you're gonna
- 11:28Speaker 7: try to do like four or five shows bank them,
- 11:30Speaker 7: so you ain't got to work for a while, right,
- 11:32Speaker 7: you know, I've been there, right and right now on
- 11:37Speaker 7: YouTube there's only five live shows and I'm on three
- 11:40Speaker 7: of them. It's my personal one. It's Gills Arena and
- 11:45Speaker 7: then me with Shannon Sharp and O Show. But I'm
- 11:49Speaker 7: just a guess on there. Then you got Pat McAfee football,
- 11:52Speaker 7: and then you got Sheet and Tyler. So that's the
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- 12:02Speaker 4: What they're doing. But for the most part, if you're
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- 12:15Speaker 7: Ain't nobody really getting that lane. And since you guys
- 12:18Speaker 7: don't really have guests like that, and you guys don't
- 12:20Speaker 7: have to thrive off guests to guess, just the bonus,
- 12:22Speaker 7: so you can do every day like this and then
- 12:25Speaker 7: do your guests once a week and still so you
- 12:27Speaker 7: have your You're in both algorithms.
- 12:30Speaker 4: Honestly, they hate when we have guests.
- 12:31Speaker 2: They tell us what they want to guess, Like you
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- 13:16Speaker 1: But shit, I want to talk ball because I'm a
- 13:18Speaker 1: thing like watching the game now, like when you you
- 13:22Speaker 1: know you was you was my guy, you and Baron
- 13:24Speaker 1: Davis with my guys and y'all was scoring guards again
- 13:26Speaker 1: thirty forty fifty sixty points. And like to see the
- 13:29Speaker 1: league now like this is Taylor made for you.
- 13:34Speaker 4: You probably with a average with like thirty two thirty
- 13:36Speaker 4: three easy.
- 13:37Speaker 7: Yeah, especially with how I played, you know, it's it's
- 13:41Speaker 7: long ball. But I used to post up a lot.
- 13:43Speaker 7: I used to post up smaller guards and just io work.
- 13:47Speaker 7: So the fact that all the bigs are now pulled
- 13:51Speaker 7: out to the three point line and they don't take
- 13:54Speaker 7: charges and shit like that, it's not crowded. I would
- 13:56Speaker 7: have been sitting there getting nine to ten free throws.
- 13:59Speaker 4: Yeah, night man.
- 14:01Speaker 2: It an'ty power forwards really that morning. So you really
- 14:03Speaker 2: ain't got no contest.
- 14:05Speaker 4: Now there's no there's no contests.
- 14:06Speaker 7: It's it's it was a point where when they changed
- 14:10Speaker 7: the rule by the time he got in, but back
- 14:12Speaker 7: then there was no just jump straight up right. So
- 14:15Speaker 7: what ended up happening. I used to head hunt right
- 14:17Speaker 7: if you was inside that key. I didn't go for
- 14:20Speaker 7: the lift. I just ran into you.
- 14:21Speaker 4: I seen when you. I'm just running straight to you.
- 14:24Speaker 4: If you win the lane. You've been talking about shock
- 14:26Speaker 4: Shaquille O'Neil and people like that, and you you got
- 14:28Speaker 4: caught in that lane.
- 14:30Speaker 7: Fuck that layer. I'm running right into you right lay
- 14:33Speaker 7: up right here you right there. I'm going across the
- 14:35Speaker 7: lane hitting you to try to come back. Get your
- 14:38Speaker 7: ass oide of the game. I ain't gotta see no more, right,
- 14:41Speaker 7: So looking at the game. Now, man, it's like, man,
- 14:44Speaker 7: you with the hell.
- 14:45Speaker 4: They're just like.
- 14:49Speaker 1: Now, I took that from you and use it in college.
- 14:51Speaker 1: It's the same thing in college. So my buddy Philip,
- 14:54Speaker 1: he was the first person to show me. I didn't
- 14:56Speaker 1: watch NBA at all, and he had NBA TV and
- 14:58Speaker 1: he was like, bro, you gotta play like yeah with.
- 15:00Speaker 4: The ring and I'm like, man, how you play? Yeah
- 15:03Speaker 4: NBA TV. We sat there.
- 15:04Speaker 1: You know, the highlights go by every once in a while,
- 15:07Speaker 1: so we had to sit there and keep watching, keep watching.
- 15:09Speaker 1: He was like he just drive to the basket hard
- 15:11Speaker 1: as hell, and I was like, yeah, I'm on that.
- 15:14Speaker 1: And I just started playing like that, just drive to
- 15:16Speaker 1: the basket, jumping to people, and I go to the
- 15:18Speaker 1: free throw line in college.
- 15:20Speaker 4: And then we knew.
- 15:21Speaker 1: I knew you already because Jackson Gardener was better than
- 15:23Speaker 1: you in high school.
- 15:28Speaker 4: I think it was an interest for that one, because
- 15:31Speaker 4: we're getting right to that. I was hopeing y'all from that.
- 15:36Speaker 1: So like, we knew you from watching Jason and Arizona,
- 15:39Speaker 1: so we like, I'm like.
- 15:40Speaker 4: Yeah, he was nasty, wore zero. Why you wear zero?
- 15:43Speaker 1: And I just started following up trying to figure out
- 15:45Speaker 1: who he was, and then I started watching.
- 15:47Speaker 4: Then I became a fan for real. That was my
- 15:49Speaker 4: that was my guy.
- 15:50Speaker 8: Man.
- 15:50Speaker 7: We used to uh, we used to battle. We used
- 15:54Speaker 7: like we had the same personality. We used to battle
- 15:56Speaker 7: football players, who faster, who had moment, who had the
- 16:01Speaker 7: better cars, like you know, like you know when you
- 16:03Speaker 7: get to college, and we used to have to uh
- 16:05Speaker 7: what was it Bobby Bobby Wade ended up making it
- 16:08Speaker 7: to the NFL, right, and that those used to be
- 16:11Speaker 7: our next door neighbors. And we just I get a radio,
- 16:14Speaker 7: He get a radio, right, Jason get a radio. They
- 16:16Speaker 7: get a radio, like we was just it was just
- 16:18Speaker 7: one of those things that you compete with. So but
- 16:20Speaker 7: I told Jason, man that you know and and a
- 16:24Speaker 7: cool you know, you have a little points out there.
- 16:27Speaker 4: Man.
- 16:29Speaker 6: It was a.
- 16:31Speaker 3: Dog team, damn the best point guard in the country
- 16:35Speaker 3: in two thousand and man, for real.
- 16:38Speaker 7: So it made it pushed me to the two because
- 16:42Speaker 7: I was I was to my senior, but I was
- 16:44Speaker 7: a point guard right. So when I came in, I
- 16:47Speaker 7: remember my dad was like, uh, he was like, you're
- 16:50Speaker 7: going after Jason Gardner spot And I was like, nah, man,
- 16:55Speaker 7: my roommate, and it was like, what the hell that means?
- 16:58Speaker 7: I was like, ship, it just give me the ball
- 17:01Speaker 7: the whole time. So if I beat the two and
- 17:03Speaker 7: we on teams, he just hear the ball the whole time.
- 17:06Speaker 7: So me and Jace used to talk about that, right,
- 17:08Speaker 7: and then so when practice started, Uh, they's like, all right, Jay,
- 17:13Speaker 7: you got the first pick.
- 17:15Speaker 4: He's like, I got Gill. They was like, wait what
- 17:17Speaker 4: I got? You got? You got McDonald's all American. McDonald's
- 17:20Speaker 4: all American. McDonald's all American. He got me first. And
- 17:22Speaker 4: we used to run the table dout. I believed that's
- 17:25Speaker 4: how I mean it's Smith was it's just the point guard.
- 17:28Speaker 4: I was like, shit, I ain't gonna be him. I'm
- 17:32Speaker 4: gonna play the too. Yeah, that's that's that's the league, man.
- 17:36Speaker 7: Like you know, you gotta be you got to be
- 17:39Speaker 7: able to shift one to two one and have have
- 17:42Speaker 7: these different skills man in the last because you know,
- 17:46Speaker 7: going to college, going to the NBA, there's people that's
- 17:49Speaker 7: in your position already, right, So you got to find
- 17:51Speaker 7: and you know, you got to find what the team
- 17:54Speaker 7: needs at that moment in time until you get to
- 17:56Speaker 7: establish yourself.
- 17:59Speaker 4: I gotta asked what today's inna be the highest player?
- 18:01Speaker 2: Now, what do you think the next wave will because
- 18:04Speaker 2: we've seen, you know what I'm saying, the game transition
- 18:05Speaker 2: to a lot of volume threes, and now we're starting
- 18:07Speaker 2: to see the big man having researchers, what do you
- 18:09Speaker 2: think might be the next wave in the NBA?
- 18:14Speaker 7: Bottom en, If you six five, you gotta be athletic
- 18:18Speaker 7: as shit. Other than that, it seems like six seven,
- 18:23Speaker 7: six eight is gonna be the new point guard for sure.
- 18:25Speaker 4: Right.
- 18:25Speaker 7: It just seems like, you know, especially with the overseas,
- 18:28Speaker 7: like the overseas is not taken over. It's only one
- 18:33Speaker 7: two positions, the four and the five. Everybody's seven foot
- 18:36Speaker 7: in that position, and the fact that there's seven foot
- 18:38Speaker 7: they can shoot. The American bigs is far behind them, right,
- 18:42Speaker 7: So if you're going to go for a four or five,
- 18:43Speaker 7: you gotta go look for an overseas guy because here,
- 18:47Speaker 7: you know from AAU, if you got any height over
- 18:51Speaker 7: the rest, you the center right if you're a big
- 18:54Speaker 7: so you know you're gonna be stuck down a little
- 18:55Speaker 7: all the way until you about seventeen eighteen right and
- 18:59Speaker 7: over there, and everybody guard skills but you know when
- 19:03Speaker 7: it comes to the guard play, they don't have the
- 19:05Speaker 7: foot speed, they don't have to athleticism. So you know
- 19:08Speaker 7: somebody like Luca sitting at sixteen, Yeah he has the advantage, But.
- 19:11Speaker 4: Who's the second best? Who's third best over there? You know?
- 19:15Speaker 7: Uh, you know Shade was chained trained as an American.
- 19:19Speaker 7: Then they don't have any shooting guards. They don't have
- 19:21Speaker 7: any small fords. That's dominain like that.
- 19:23Speaker 4: So we got to.
- 19:27Speaker 7: Them six seven point guards. You know what Luca is
- 19:31Speaker 7: is gonna be coming soon?
- 19:32Speaker 4: Speaking of six to seven point guard, your son, he
- 19:35Speaker 4: fit the molde.
- 19:36Speaker 1: Yeah, he nasty. I ain't gonna like nasty. I'll be
- 19:40Speaker 1: watching his highlights. I seen him. I watch games like
- 19:44Speaker 1: he got a score mentality, leneag Man, that's straight from you.
- 19:49Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, I heard, I heard.
- 19:51Speaker 1: I heard you tell stories about how y'all train six
- 19:54Speaker 1: hundred shots in the morning, things like that.
- 19:56Speaker 4: Does he love it like that? Or they just like
- 19:58Speaker 4: you pluck it?
- 20:00Speaker 7: You don't understand what the love is, right, you know,
- 20:03Speaker 7: he's he's sitting there in that mode of you know,
- 20:08Speaker 7: I got my friends, my girlfriend, my family, school, and
- 20:14Speaker 7: he thinks all of it is on the same playing field.
- 20:16Speaker 4: Like, nah, you're gonna have to sacrifice three the motherfucker.
- 20:19Speaker 7: You know what I mean.
- 20:21Speaker 4: Ain't no friends, ain't no girlfriends like.
- 20:23Speaker 7: That, you know, if you're trying to get to that level. Right,
- 20:25Speaker 7: So you know, right now, he likes it a lot.
- 20:29Speaker 7: And I'm telling like, you probably won't love it until
- 20:31Speaker 7: you make it to the NBA. Something happened, nigga, whoop
- 20:35Speaker 7: your ass out there. You see somebody working at a
- 20:38Speaker 7: level you've never seen before, and it changes how you
- 20:41Speaker 7: look at the game. Right, So, I don't expect you
- 20:44Speaker 7: to be in love with it right now. Just go
- 20:46Speaker 7: and try to you know, practice and just have the
- 20:50Speaker 7: good ass habits you know to make you good.
- 20:52Speaker 2: And as a high school coach, you know what I'm saying,
- 20:54Speaker 2: You see a player like that, and as you see
- 20:56Speaker 2: the progressive stuff other kids two daughter going to college
- 21:00Speaker 2: going crazy as well, we see somebody like that at
- 21:02Speaker 2: high school just like you're good now and you're not
- 21:04Speaker 2: there yet. How does it like to see somebody that like,
- 21:06Speaker 2: it's not untamperatived, like you got another gear you can
- 21:08Speaker 2: get to you just don't even.
- 21:09Speaker 4: Know it yet. No, It's like it's like a blank campus.
- 21:13Speaker 1: It's like, bro, he's so talented, he got this and
- 21:15Speaker 1: got that, and it's just like if he gets this
- 21:16Speaker 1: or he works like this, there's nowhere nowhere, there's nowhere
- 21:20Speaker 1: we can say he can go. It's like Skoyt's some
- 21:22Speaker 1: limit or whatever. But like when I see him with
- 21:26Speaker 1: the height, the speed to handle the shot making, it's like, damn.
- 21:29Speaker 1: Once he gets a little stronger and he get the game,
- 21:32Speaker 1: it's like ship, we're looking at the All Star.
- 21:34Speaker 4: So you know how to get that fuck up there?
- 21:36Speaker 7: Yeah, he's gonna shoot like three people sitting there like
- 21:41Speaker 7: man zero telling you.
- 21:49Speaker 9: A couple of times you said enough, Yeah that was
- 21:59Speaker 9: a And I tell a lot of parents.
- 22:02Speaker 4: I said, stop team and your kid.
- 22:04Speaker 7: If your kid got talent, stop doing that team up
- 22:07Speaker 7: ship hurt your children.
- 22:10Speaker 4: I said, high school is development for you.
- 22:13Speaker 7: And your child ain't about winning fucking championship.
- 22:20Speaker 3: Cause I was like, that's why you didn't see him
- 22:22Speaker 3: right to Sierra and yeah, like.
- 22:25Speaker 7: I've never seen a college coach come down and say, Yo,
- 22:27Speaker 7: how many high school championships you won?
- 22:29Speaker 4: How many AA championships you want? Oh you no, you
- 22:32Speaker 4: average forty?
- 22:33Speaker 7: I want you right, I got a bunch of people
- 22:35Speaker 7: that can pass ball to you and redoubt and stuff
- 22:37Speaker 7: like that. I'm not I'm not taking a whole scare
- 22:40Speaker 7: of game team. I'm looking for one or two people.
- 22:42Speaker 7: So I would rather you be instead of playing on
- 22:47Speaker 7: see your hand averaging ten. I rathery you be the
- 22:49Speaker 7: dude that get beat by forty but you had forty
- 22:52Speaker 7: because you going to.
- 22:53Speaker 4: You're going to be the one that says hold on,
- 22:56Speaker 4: hold on.
- 22:56Speaker 3: You agree with that, and you know that's why I'm
- 22:59Speaker 3: chiming in because Buffy all different. So I can talk
- 23:01Speaker 3: about this because me and him feel the same way
- 23:05Speaker 3: getting beat by forty and having forty. It Maybe that
- 23:09Speaker 3: shit is flowing in Cali and that's cool, but in Indiana,
- 23:13Speaker 3: bru it's gone. Coach is looking at you a little
- 23:16Speaker 3: bit different.
- 23:16Speaker 4: Bro, All right now, think about it like this. Your
- 23:20Speaker 4: team is a bunch of five stars.
- 23:23Speaker 7: Yeah, and the dude that got nobody scored forty on
- 23:28Speaker 7: how it's just you had just to stop that motherfucker
- 23:31Speaker 7: right there. How we want forty. He's supposed to win
- 23:34Speaker 7: by forty. He didn't supposed to score forty on a
- 23:36Speaker 7: bunch of five starts. You're supposed to double him, trap him,
- 23:38Speaker 7: do whatever. So the fact that he scored forty, let
- 23:42Speaker 7: you know that he had to do it against all
- 23:45Speaker 7: five of you.
- 23:45Speaker 4: So it's it's making him do everything right. Your your team.
- 23:49Speaker 7: Is going half assed because it's just better than everybody,
- 23:51Speaker 7: so they not really digging down. He has to rebound,
- 23:54Speaker 7: he has to try to block shots here, break your
- 23:57Speaker 7: full court press, right, So he has to rough his
- 24:00Speaker 7: engine so hard just to compete with you. That's that's development.
- 24:05Speaker 7: He has to rub his engine so hard to compete.
- 24:09Speaker 7: Now when he gets with a group, it's so much easier.
- 24:12Speaker 4: Nah, I get you. I understand where you coaching. Yeah,
- 24:15Speaker 4: you trying to win.
- 24:16Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's why I'm gonna let the professionals speak
- 24:20Speaker 7: that up on the coach inside.
- 24:23Speaker 4: I get it you.
- 24:24Speaker 7: You you're trying to do like I'm talking about, just
- 24:27Speaker 7: as the parents trying to go to the next level.
- 24:29Speaker 7: I'm trying to figure out how to build the tiger.
- 24:33Speaker 7: Because it's easy for you to turn an aggressive person down.
- 24:38Speaker 7: If you haven't been aggressive, it's hard to turn you out,
- 24:41Speaker 7: that's right, Like like somebody like Brodnie James, Right, he's
- 24:44Speaker 7: been at Seer Canyon, playing with all these five stars
- 24:47Speaker 7: and you're like, yo, why you don't shoot enough.
- 24:48Speaker 4: He's never he's never did it.
- 24:51Speaker 7: He's been passing, winning games, winning, taking full five shots
- 24:54Speaker 7: again and beating everybody by thirty.
- 24:56Speaker 4: He never had Do you think that mess with his ay?
- 24:58Speaker 4: You run him being that same type of way.
- 25:01Speaker 7: Even we got the same team, Yeah, the same team,
- 25:06Speaker 7: the whole but you got the York Johnson, you got
- 25:08Speaker 7: all these guys, you got the same group. So he
- 25:10Speaker 7: never had a team where it's like, Yo, you gotta go,
- 25:13Speaker 7: you gotta go out there and score for that the
- 25:15Speaker 7: hell out of you.
- 25:15Speaker 1: But playing double advocate like your kid, your son, he
- 25:20Speaker 1: has the talent to do that, Like you can see it.
- 25:22Speaker 4: It jumps off the.
- 25:23Speaker 1: Screen, Like, Okay, if you put him in a place
- 25:25Speaker 1: for other five stars, he's still gonna shine as a
- 25:27Speaker 1: five star.
- 25:28Speaker 4: It's some other kids, like they might be three.
- 25:31Speaker 1: Stars when they go to a smaller school average forty
- 25:35Speaker 1: do everything. Then they go play with five stars or
- 25:37Speaker 1: other good players and they don't know how to adjust.
- 25:40Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that that happens.
- 25:44Speaker 4: It happens a lot, and we know of a situation
- 25:48Speaker 4: kind of like that, like the parents think they five
- 25:50Speaker 4: stars too.
- 25:50Speaker 1: That's yes, but it's like it's a bunch of kids
- 25:54Speaker 1: in Indy who went to school smaller schools and stuff,
- 25:58Speaker 1: and then they get to college and it's like I
- 25:59Speaker 1: don't know how to play with other good players.
- 26:01Speaker 4: And it's like that's a balance.
- 26:03Speaker 7: You got to still put that kid into a group
- 26:05Speaker 7: where like so like he plays by himself at this school,
- 26:08Speaker 7: then he plays on compon Magic.
- 26:09Speaker 4: He plays with cold thy right so and ship.
- 26:13Speaker 7: He's still even like yo just you you can tell
- 26:26Speaker 7: me fast.
- 26:26Speaker 4: But but I I like that because I can you
- 26:31Speaker 4: can sit him down and say yo ad because if
- 26:34Speaker 4: you if that person is never at that level when.
- 26:38Speaker 7: You need him to do it. He don't know what
- 26:40Speaker 7: it looks like. You don't know what hitting game winners
- 26:42Speaker 7: feel like. Right, even somebody like you know Cooper Flag,
- 26:47Speaker 7: Cooper Flag in the last two years probably never hit
- 26:50Speaker 7: a game winner, never been in a situation too, right,
- 26:54Speaker 7: They've been blowing everybody out. Team's been winning. You remember,
- 26:56Speaker 7: you have for sixteen thirteen this year. So he's never
- 27:00Speaker 7: really had takeover takeover, but he did, and he in
- 27:04Speaker 7: that ey b hold on gid run. He was bringing
- 27:09Speaker 7: them back from crazy.
- 27:10Speaker 3: They was down a few times, so he had a
- 27:11Speaker 3: willing back sixteen years.
- 27:14Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. That's why he's never coming
- 27:15Speaker 4: out party. He's never played. He never played seventeen year ever.
- 27:19Speaker 4: But right, so when the like, so when everybody else
- 27:22Speaker 4: is playing seventeens, he went down to sixteens. He's he's
- 27:26Speaker 4: I mean, he's dominant.
- 27:27Speaker 7: But what he's saying, what I'm saying is when it
- 27:29Speaker 7: comes to like putting him to them game winners, he's
- 27:33Speaker 7: never felt the pain of missing and of being a
- 27:37Speaker 7: disappointment to your team or uh, you know, getting the
- 27:41Speaker 7: ball stolen and like my son had to go through
- 27:45Speaker 7: all that, right, missing the lab and the rest of
- 27:47Speaker 7: the teammates like, oh man, now you got to bounce back, right,
- 27:50Speaker 7: what you're gonna do tomorrow?
- 27:51Speaker 4: Right hitting the game winner?
- 27:52Speaker 7: Shit, you know, sitting there miscalculating the boy, steal it,
- 27:55Speaker 7: tie game, beat him at the buzzer.
- 27:58Speaker 4: Nigga, Damn, they're thrown up in the bathroom because you
- 28:00Speaker 4: let the whole school down.
- 28:02Speaker 7: How you're going, how you're gonna react tomorrow though, So
- 28:04Speaker 7: you get it. So if he had one year at
- 28:08Speaker 7: Mount Verb, Yeah, but what I'm saying is that you
- 28:11Speaker 7: still got to go through the fire. You can't go
- 28:13Speaker 7: to the NBA and then take your first game winner
- 28:16Speaker 7: lose man. You're gonna get ate up if you're not
- 28:17Speaker 7: built like that, right, Even like Kerry, Kerry wasn't a
- 28:22Speaker 7: game He didn't hit many game winners in the beginning
- 28:25Speaker 7: of two championships because it's blowing everybody else. So he
- 28:28Speaker 7: was sitting in the fourth quarter. So when Kevin Durant
- 28:30Speaker 7: got there, Kevin like, YO, give me that ball. They
- 28:32Speaker 7: haven't they was like, ship, we've never been in a
- 28:34Speaker 7: situation know who to get the ball to.
- 28:37Speaker 4: You gotta have some experience. You gotta have some experience.
- 28:42Speaker 3: And I y'all pros, bro, and I never go against y'all,
- 28:45Speaker 3: but this one, bro, he the best player in the country.
- 28:47Speaker 4: Sixteen No, no, the best player in the country.
- 28:52Speaker 7: But you can see like because of the blowouts, he's
- 28:55Speaker 7: never been really really battle tested. Eight players all that
- 29:02Speaker 7: they franchise guys and they won't take the game winner
- 29:05Speaker 7: because they're scary.
- 29:06Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying, you put it in your mindset
- 29:09Speaker 1: to be the guy. Guy like some guys is comfortable
- 29:12Speaker 1: being number.
- 29:13Speaker 4: Two, you know.
- 29:15Speaker 1: So if you number two, a the NBA. Now you
- 29:17Speaker 1: get two hundred eighty million, that's crazy.
- 29:19Speaker 10: Like some people cool would be a number two. So
- 29:29Speaker 10: Cooper flag number two string my book, hell of a
- 29:32Speaker 10: number two.
- 29:34Speaker 4: He's gonna be a franchise guy.
- 29:35Speaker 7: But you know you have to like like right now,
- 29:38Speaker 7: it's like he needs to be put in a situation
- 29:40Speaker 7: where he gets battled.
- 29:43Speaker 4: You don't want to go.
- 29:44Speaker 7: To the NBA and then you go to a locker
- 29:46Speaker 7: room and niggas don't like you anyway, and you do
- 29:48Speaker 7: something wrong.
- 29:48Speaker 4: You already know they're gonna jump down your back. If
- 29:50Speaker 4: you ain't you ain't been built.
- 29:52Speaker 7: The statement watch out, you're gonna you're gonna fall behind.
- 29:56Speaker 4: But you don't really get that until you and like
- 30:00Speaker 4: year three anyway, the watch out, watch out.
- 30:03Speaker 1: Yeah, like you're a rookie, it's already somebody there. You know,
- 30:06Speaker 1: somebody there is gonna tell you, hey, I got that.
- 30:09Speaker 1: And then when you're the franchise players a rookie, they
- 30:11Speaker 1: already hating on you.
- 30:13Speaker 11: You have you have been you Andrew I had speak
- 30:20Speaker 11: from us, had so it wouldn't watch out.
- 30:26Speaker 1: I know they was fighting with that. God damn, you
- 30:28Speaker 1: wanted to check. It was like, who're taking this last shot.
- 30:35Speaker 1: I'm like, Joe getting that, Bro. I can tell you
- 30:37Speaker 1: about jo Jo that tell Jamal now, jam he shot
- 30:42Speaker 1: a couple of them. Yeah, you're gonna get the motherfuckers.
- 30:44Speaker 4: Up for sure. I'm like you sweing about it, Joe, Bro.
- 30:47Speaker 4: You out of pocket. Bro. I'm like, damn, Joe, you're
- 30:50Speaker 4: gonna loud. Come get the show. Get this show propertly.
- 31:02Speaker 4: I got to ask why you're here. Man. See, we
- 31:04Speaker 4: got resurfaces injury's topic. You know what I'm saying.
- 31:07Speaker 2: We had a conversation on show about staff padding, and
- 31:10Speaker 2: people didn't like it. I saw yesterday was one of
- 31:13Speaker 2: the nastiest displays. I'm happy that that double double streak
- 31:16Speaker 2: ended because that was one of the craziest things I
- 31:19Speaker 2: have seen it a long time in basketball.
- 31:20Speaker 4: Man.
- 31:20Speaker 2: I understand that happens, but I'm so happy that streak
- 31:23Speaker 2: ended because there's no way we could glorify that that.
- 31:30Speaker 4: Man, if it was that easy, everybody would have tried it.
- 31:35Speaker 4: She wasn't. She just couldn't make late the first time
- 31:41Speaker 4: lay up when you down twenty left the game, begets
- 31:43Speaker 4: the double double. No, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. Listen,
- 31:47Speaker 4: listen listen, there's four people on shouts at Liberty. You
- 31:53Speaker 4: already got the record, you're trying to extend it.
- 31:55Speaker 7: There's gonna be situations where they might come down to
- 31:59Speaker 7: rebound to a miss, and you're gonna miss it.
- 32:01Speaker 4: To keep it going for sure, that's just it. You
- 32:04Speaker 4: know what I mean?
- 32:04Speaker 7: If I got twenty twenty trip of doubles, right doubles,
- 32:09Speaker 7: and I.
- 32:09Speaker 4: Need one with three seconds left.
- 32:11Speaker 7: I don't give what we have. I need this basket.
- 32:13Speaker 7: I'm going to get the basket. You can fight me after.
- 32:16Speaker 4: I know that streak is going. I ain't mad at it.
- 32:18Speaker 4: I wasn't mad at it, but I told you she
- 32:20Speaker 4: don't make don't make layups. So now you know she
- 32:25Speaker 4: getting her office rebound that do your thing.
- 32:30Speaker 1: Somebody gave her the best comparison that we ever had.
- 32:33Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say his name, but he said she
- 32:36Speaker 1: was Kenneth f Reed mm hmmm, And I said, I know, yeah,
- 32:41Speaker 1: that is a great comparison.
- 32:44Speaker 7: She's a she's a great rebounder. She's not very gifted offensively.
- 32:49Speaker 7: That was her achilles heel. But this is going to
- 32:54Speaker 7: be the worst that we get to see of her.
- 32:57Speaker 7: But you know, It's just she's just a bound the defender.
- 33:02Speaker 4: Hell of a rebound killer.
- 33:03Speaker 2: That's It's just funny though, because she's trying to get
- 33:05Speaker 2: that triple, I mean double double and next triple team
- 33:08Speaker 2: around the baseline with ten left in the game, they
- 33:10Speaker 2: are sixty.
- 33:11Speaker 4: That ship was funny. Bro haters, for sure. You don't
- 33:15Speaker 4: want that record bit like you want to get the
- 33:16Speaker 4: people that broke. That's like you're getting that rebound and
- 33:20Speaker 4: sucking up the park, like, oh yeah, they was hot
- 33:22Speaker 4: that man. I got a rebound.
- 33:24Speaker 1: Bobby Porters needed one rebound to get like to hit
- 33:26Speaker 1: the parlay or whatever, and I grabbed it. Man, Milwaukee
- 33:29Speaker 1: was hot. It was cussing me out and I didn't
- 33:32Speaker 1: know what was going on.
- 33:33Speaker 4: The like what the fuck day? You don't even playing
- 33:39Speaker 4: out in the way to get a stab. I had
- 33:42Speaker 4: one rebound.
- 33:44Speaker 12: Somebody somebody probably have me points. I was the.
- 34:00Speaker 4: Man. That is crazy. Man.
- 34:01Speaker 2: But also with that being said, with you know what
- 34:03Speaker 2: I'm saying, with that bit so prevalent now today's space
- 34:06Speaker 2: the sports game like that for you also, even going back,
- 34:09Speaker 2: how would you feel you would have did with n
- 34:10Speaker 2: Il Arizona.
- 34:14Speaker 7: I'm gonna be honest, man, I wasn't like that. I
- 34:16Speaker 7: wasn't him right. I mean I was the leader scorer
- 34:20Speaker 7: on the team. But I played with four uh all Americans, right,
- 34:26Speaker 7: so you know Jason Gardner, Richard bag right like they
- 34:30Speaker 7: would have Jay.
- 34:30Speaker 4: Would have probably.
- 34:32Speaker 7: You know, I was more of a scavenger dog, right.
- 34:34Speaker 7: You know, I got n I l I was. I
- 34:37Speaker 7: got my money. I was selling. I was selling autographed
- 34:40Speaker 7: balls they signed that signed, that sign break back into
- 34:43Speaker 7: the locker room, still all limb.
- 34:45Speaker 4: Right. So I was getting this and I was getting
- 34:47Speaker 4: my money. I was doing well.
- 34:49Speaker 7: I wasn't starving at all.
- 34:52Speaker 4: This When I got drafted, I said it. I got
- 34:55Speaker 4: driving a second round.
- 34:56Speaker 7: Other man, I took a paint cook come to the
- 34:57Speaker 7: NBA man to college, said that again.
- 35:00Speaker 4: I took him. Get in trouble. I've been tripping right now.
- 35:09Speaker 7: I just spend all this money, want this sheep bass
- 35:13Speaker 7: chain and escalated when I saved money on the fake
- 35:18Speaker 7: diamond qub, No, baby, how want.
- 35:27Speaker 4: You spend on cunia trying bands? Yeah? Big, it was
- 35:34Speaker 4: Christmas you.
- 35:36Speaker 7: Cause you're up that ship back then, right, Dip said
- 35:40Speaker 7: had the whole everything was coming all the way there
- 35:42Speaker 7: and everybody did their initials. So everybody ship was like
- 35:46Speaker 7: this big so that GJ just sitting there just yeah,
- 35:50Speaker 7: I made it.
- 35:51Speaker 1: I remember Brand telling me about that, called it the
- 35:53Speaker 1: ice age. You said he spent two hundred and fifty
- 35:55Speaker 1: thousand on the chain. Yeah, he said, you crazy as hell.
- 35:58Speaker 4: No, that's nuts. Bro ten Grand looked just the same. Man.
- 36:09Speaker 2: One of my favorite things I don't know is obviously
- 36:11Speaker 2: going crazy, but the games I'll be playing.
- 36:13Speaker 4: The draft. That ship was fire man. I loved your
- 36:15Speaker 4: competitive league with that man. Brandon was pissed.
- 36:18Speaker 7: I need the team. Sorry, man, you need some shooting.
- 36:23Speaker 7: I'm gonna go get jeans Worthy.
- 36:27Speaker 4: You don't be going right shooting eight that was he said.
- 36:42Speaker 4: He said, that's right.
- 36:44Speaker 7: You know what's funny like when when you talk about
- 36:47Speaker 7: the eighties and everybody getting mad, and then you ask
- 36:50Speaker 7: them have you watched the game? They were like no, no,
- 36:54Speaker 7: you know what we got the internet now going go
- 36:56Speaker 7: in and popping and pop in one of them eighties games, buddy,
- 37:00Speaker 7: the flex cut, the U c l A cut, the weave,
- 37:06Speaker 7: start basketball.
- 37:08Speaker 4: They don't know what's doing to your step back then
- 37:10Speaker 4: when they called travel on it.
- 37:12Speaker 1: When you were saying that when you was like Grant
- 37:15Speaker 1: Hill came in the league and he was doing right
- 37:17Speaker 1: to left crossovers. He's like, they've never seen that before.
- 37:19Speaker 1: And I watched that tape and how bad he was crossing,
- 37:22Speaker 1: pipping and all them. I'm like, yeah, they might have
- 37:25Speaker 1: been spooky.
- 37:26Speaker 4: That's what man. Listen.
- 37:29Speaker 7: Even the hand check right, the hand check was great
- 37:32Speaker 7: because the guards didn't score right, they're coming down full
- 37:38Speaker 7: court with it back to the basket, right, so it's
- 37:41Speaker 7: easy to hold on to him.
- 37:42Speaker 4: Right.
- 37:43Speaker 7: They didn't do that Isaiah Thomas because he was the
- 37:45Speaker 7: scoring guard Tim Hardaway. They didn't do it to u
- 37:49Speaker 7: Kevin Johnson.
- 37:50Speaker 4: Right.
- 37:51Speaker 7: When these guys came into the league and they're coming
- 37:52Speaker 7: to the basket, what was your hand chicken? Man, it
- 37:54Speaker 7: was still in Obviously you can't hand chick them up
- 37:56Speaker 7: with the stomach, so let me see, has a turn
- 37:58Speaker 7: for you to hold his side. So the fact that
- 38:00Speaker 7: everybody's going down heeled the hand check was irrelevant. All
- 38:03Speaker 7: you doing is just trying to catch up. And then
- 38:05Speaker 7: you did this shit. You wasn't in the league yet,
- 38:07Speaker 7: where you driving? And then they just pushing it, just sitting.
- 38:11Speaker 7: They were still doing that.
- 38:12Speaker 1: Yeah, they were still doing that baby started doing that
- 38:15Speaker 1: to me. In practice, he let me go. He pushed
- 38:17Speaker 1: me right and just sitting and you see the wall rep.
- 38:22Speaker 7: Yeah, yea. Then they couldn't move. They couldn't move left right. Man,
- 38:26Speaker 7: the eighties eighties is the year olds today. Y'all don't
- 38:31Speaker 7: move very well.
- 38:31Speaker 4: Left right. I would have cut y'all because it's glorious.
- 38:39Speaker 7: It's we're talking about a time that it was the
- 38:45Speaker 7: NBA seventy eight when the NBA merged, right, And they
- 38:49Speaker 7: don't like talking about it because it's dark ages like
- 38:52Speaker 7: big drug problems like it was.
- 38:54Speaker 4: They had to tape delay everything, make sure everything was clean.
- 38:57Speaker 4: But it was going through.
- 38:58Speaker 7: A real big problem in the eighties, right, just like
- 39:01Speaker 7: the world was right. So now you have a bunch
- 39:04Speaker 7: of NBA players just integrated. They got money, So what
- 39:07Speaker 7: do you then they're gonna do? Right, So when Magic
- 39:10Speaker 7: and Bird came in, Magic was the NBA's I call
- 39:14Speaker 7: it the NBA because ABA and NBA when they put together,
- 39:16Speaker 7: it's that's the NBA one league.
- 39:18Speaker 4: Now.
- 39:19Speaker 7: Magic Johnson was their first baby. That was the baby
- 39:22Speaker 7: boy of the NBA nineteen years old. He was the
- 39:25Speaker 7: baby boy of the NBA BRD was twenty two when
- 39:28Speaker 7: he came in, right, So the first child of the
- 39:31Speaker 7: NBA was uh magic and they held they held the
- 39:36Speaker 7: NBA to get there, and then Jordan just polarized it.
- 39:41Speaker 7: So you know, that's why those three are iconic. So
- 39:45Speaker 7: when you talk about the eighties, they think you're talking
- 39:48Speaker 7: about them three, right, you know like when you say, man,
- 39:52Speaker 7: eighties suck and we got we got Magic Bird and
- 39:56Speaker 7: yeah we get it out and the rest of the
- 40:00Speaker 7: you always having two hundred and sixteen people draft all
- 40:04Speaker 7: the way up into Nasty Broa.
- 40:07Speaker 4: I heard somebody said I was drafting the seventh round
- 40:09Speaker 4: before damn.
- 40:10Speaker 7: That was all the way into eighty eighty seven. Eighty seven,
- 40:13Speaker 7: Michael Jordan was two hundred and sixteen people drafted with him.
- 40:17Speaker 4: That's that's crazy.
- 40:18Speaker 3: A big guard too. He would have killed them away fast.
- 40:20Speaker 3: It was a bigger guard though.
- 40:23Speaker 1: They play like you now, like if you had to
- 40:24Speaker 1: say somebody like put you on the motor yourself?
- 40:26Speaker 4: Who what you said? Probably MAXI? Okay, how he just
- 40:31Speaker 4: wants to come downhill real fast? Now that's a g fers.
- 40:36Speaker 7: Like because it was TV then, like people don't want
- 40:38Speaker 7: to I said in the post, right, it was like
- 40:42Speaker 7: I did I did more post enough than I did
- 40:44Speaker 7: just it was either gonna post up the little guard,
- 40:47Speaker 7: then they have to put the big guard on me,
- 40:48Speaker 7: and then now I'm trying to do one full flat
- 40:50Speaker 7: and be.
- 40:50Speaker 4: The most drum.
- 40:51Speaker 2: And you had one thing that I've always seen that
- 40:53Speaker 2: my dad coached, and he taught it to some of
- 40:55Speaker 2: our players on the team that like, you can shoot,
- 40:57Speaker 2: he may not be as fast as quick if you
- 40:59Speaker 2: can step out a little bit in that three point line.
- 41:01Speaker 4: Now they got to guard you a little bit different.
- 41:02Speaker 2: And you was like the pioneer that shit because your
- 41:05Speaker 2: three point threat was at the volleyball line, so you
- 41:07Speaker 2: got all the space in the world.
- 41:08Speaker 4: They couldn't do nothing with you. Yeah, So I seen
- 41:10Speaker 4: some report.
- 41:11Speaker 7: It was like some Synergy report, right, and then it
- 41:13Speaker 7: had like I'm trying to get better, like where are
- 41:15Speaker 7: my flaws and what okay, this corner this and this,
- 41:18Speaker 7: and I'm like, you know, like it had this like
- 41:21Speaker 7: fifty six percent from here, and like what the fuck
- 41:23Speaker 7: is this? And it's like did the shot you took
- 41:25Speaker 7: from this is fifty six percent? So I'm sitting here
- 41:27Speaker 7: like three point line thirty eight back here and I'm like,
- 41:31Speaker 7: I'm sitting there like this doesn't even make no sense.
- 41:35Speaker 4: So then I'm coming to the spot trying.
- 41:36Speaker 7: To figure out like all right, Then I realized the
- 41:40Speaker 7: guard is sitting under the three point line waiting for me.
- 41:43Speaker 7: There's nobody guarding me here, right. If I'm shooting the three,
- 41:47Speaker 7: I'm getting contested here. There's no contests, right, So this
- 41:51Speaker 7: is an open shot. So I started training these shots
- 41:54Speaker 7: right here knowing that they're going to be open. Nobody's
- 41:56Speaker 7: going to be back there trying to play defense. Like
- 41:58Speaker 7: when I came in, everybod he went under because guards
- 42:01Speaker 7: didn't shoot behind the screen.
- 42:03Speaker 4: So that's what gave me the advantage.
- 42:04Speaker 7: Like, like, yo, I'm not Gary Payton, dog, don't you
- 42:08Speaker 7: know I don't like I don't I don't have a
- 42:10Speaker 7: big man to pull to pass the ball to. So
- 42:12Speaker 7: I'm gonna sit there and the big men come through it,
- 42:15Speaker 7: and you know, I fan out and then they double
- 42:17Speaker 7: got a swinging, swinging, swinging, and then the last person
- 42:19Speaker 7: that's got the ball, he can't shoot, right, because that's
- 42:22Speaker 7: usually put the worst shop all away on the other side, right,
- 42:25Speaker 7: And that's a nigga who got all the shots.
- 42:28Speaker 1: That guy go to the corner coming to me.
- 42:34Speaker 7: When I did the first picking roll, big boom and
- 42:36Speaker 7: they switched out and I was like, oh ship, hey move.
- 42:42Speaker 4: I did one of those move move because like, what
- 42:45Speaker 4: are you doing?
- 42:46Speaker 7: I was like, I'm about to take him off the
- 42:47Speaker 7: dribble and I was like, what are you talking about?
- 42:52Speaker 7: Look who I have on me. You're gonna take him
- 42:54Speaker 7: off the dribble. And I was like, son, maybe this
- 42:58Speaker 7: is why you don't play this game. Maybe this why
- 43:00Speaker 7: you got drafted thirty one year. I Q is low
- 43:03Speaker 7: and I'm like, what it's like you don't see the
- 43:07Speaker 7: guard the big man. Yeah, I've seen that, and you
- 43:13Speaker 7: don't think that's the past. So you want me to
- 43:17Speaker 7: pass on the ball?
- 43:19Speaker 4: Him one.
- 43:20Speaker 7: We don't want no place for him anyway, But you
- 43:23Speaker 7: want me to pass in the ball. What's gonna happen?
- 43:26Speaker 7: They're gonna double, We're gonna swing and swing it. Look
- 43:29Speaker 7: who's in the corner. We don't shoot?
- 43:31Speaker 4: Right? Is that the play we want?
- 43:34Speaker 6: Nah?
- 43:34Speaker 4: So you had?
- 43:36Speaker 6: So I ran it, boom, they swished it, threw it down,
- 43:40Speaker 6: Swiss swish with it, and I said break because it's like,
- 43:49Speaker 6: you don't know our places and you don't know the
- 43:50Speaker 6: player person now.
- 43:51Speaker 4: Ye, So later on that date did the pick and
- 43:54Speaker 4: they switch out again.
- 44:00Speaker 13: Don't Yeah, I didn't play. I was all, there's no
- 44:06Speaker 13: more sat that I can tell you that throw it
- 44:10Speaker 13: to a downal foil.
- 44:11Speaker 4: Yeah you know who?
- 44:15Speaker 7: Donald Foyle, God damn right, my gud said, Hell, I'm
- 44:22Speaker 7: not doing it down at ship.
- 44:26Speaker 4: I see. I see the look on his face. Don't
- 44:29Speaker 4: got there was a look.
- 44:35Speaker 7: It was just crazy because it was like like I'm
- 44:37Speaker 7: sitting there like.
- 44:40Speaker 4: Like we ain't never go to play for this morning.
- 44:46Speaker 4: This is what we're doing.
- 44:48Speaker 7: I'm glad he got fired because I would have never
- 44:49Speaker 7: got off the bench after that display.
- 44:52Speaker 4: And you know what's so crazy.
- 44:53Speaker 2: We've been blessed to talk to some great pros in
- 44:56Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks and just like mine set
- 44:58Speaker 2: that you guys have obviously be in guards. I know
- 45:00Speaker 2: the game probably better than anybody, but it's like your
- 45:02Speaker 2: own intuition has the cake, because yes, this coach is
- 45:04Speaker 2: professional and he's telling you what to do, but you're
- 45:07Speaker 2: just like, well, I'm telling you it's actually right, but
- 45:09Speaker 2: this is now an ego battle. It has nothing to
- 45:11Speaker 2: do about what's going on the court. It's about a
- 45:12Speaker 2: mental or personal thing. How do you overcome that a
- 45:15Speaker 2: situation where you like, I know what the fuck I'm
- 45:16Speaker 2: doing is right, but now I got to really prove
- 45:18Speaker 2: it to you or get lucky that you get fired
- 45:20Speaker 2: to get out the way I got to deal with.
- 45:21Speaker 7: It's it's on both sides, man, It's a give and take, right.
- 45:25Speaker 7: You know, we have two visions, right, you know, the
- 45:30Speaker 7: player has a two K vision, the coach has a
- 45:35Speaker 7: court side vision. So we're seeing different things, right, We
- 45:41Speaker 7: have two different views of it. So we both are
- 45:45Speaker 7: right and we both are wrong depending on what we're
- 45:48Speaker 7: looking at that time. So you might be saying, you know,
- 45:50Speaker 7: five down right, throw it to the big man, and
- 45:54Speaker 7: I'm watching the game, I'm seeing his menorism, like, nah,
- 45:56Speaker 7: that ain't it.
- 45:57Speaker 4: He ain't got it today. Right.
- 45:59Speaker 7: So the want to put me at the point is
- 46:01Speaker 7: you have to trust my instinct.
- 46:04Speaker 4: Right.
- 46:04Speaker 7: That's why you have me at the point, to trust
- 46:07Speaker 7: my instinct, knowing that I'm gonna do more right than
- 46:11Speaker 7: I'm gonna do wrong. Right, So as a coach, you
- 46:14Speaker 7: have to give you have to give the freedom.
- 46:19Speaker 4: Just to just so they can explore.
- 46:21Speaker 7: So you know, like you know there's games where you
- 46:24Speaker 7: have to say, all right, I ain't coaching today. Let
- 46:27Speaker 7: me see what you got. You coach, you sub and
- 46:28Speaker 7: whoever you're gonna sub in. No, you gotta because you
- 46:32Speaker 7: see now you know why.
- 46:34Speaker 4: You know why.
- 46:36Speaker 7: You got to see how they think, right because you
- 46:39Speaker 7: know how you be subbing players in and niggas be like, yo,
- 46:42Speaker 7: I should be playing this, Oh you do all right, Look, hey,
- 46:47Speaker 7: I'm not gonna coach today. I'm just gonna be watching
- 46:49Speaker 7: players coach themselves. And you try to get up practice.
- 46:53Speaker 7: You're trying to get up and like, nah, no you're not.
- 46:57Speaker 7: You don't get in in the regular game. You ain't
- 46:58Speaker 7: getting in today. They're gonna self checked themselves anyway.
- 47:01Speaker 4: Be one of them games. You know you're gonna win
- 47:03Speaker 4: by like forty. We don't got but he does that
- 47:06Speaker 4: mentality in practice some time practice. You gotta do that
- 47:10Speaker 4: in the game. Everybody, you got to you gotta read
- 47:17Speaker 4: the room.
- 47:17Speaker 7: You got one of those teams, got one of those teams.
- 47:20Speaker 4: You're playing all hollanvel everything. You know.
- 47:24Speaker 2: Yeah, you see hardball, that's what I at right now.
- 47:27Speaker 2: They get to next up right now, harball. Every time
- 47:30Speaker 2: we plays like a top team in the state though.
- 47:32Speaker 3: So he always have like well always but the second year.
- 47:35Speaker 3: But he got a tough schedule usually at the school
- 47:38Speaker 3: we ad. I don't know if Elijah got up and down.
- 47:40Speaker 3: Maybe he got the blind or the deaf school and
- 47:42Speaker 3: then they got to place here or.
- 47:44Speaker 4: No, no, a little bit. So that's what I'm saying.
- 47:53Speaker 3: Cali a little different when you and that for you
- 47:56Speaker 3: in that four A. But it ain't not really no
- 47:58Speaker 3: ducky he got a d one player every night.
- 48:02Speaker 4: Oh see. That's see the problem with with the Cali
- 48:05Speaker 4: schools is because everyone teamed up, right, you're going to
- 48:09Speaker 4: have seven five stars on one team.
- 48:13Speaker 7: These schools might not have nothing. You're gonna got four
- 48:15Speaker 7: on that side. So then see Racans in the division
- 48:19Speaker 7: where most of the teams ain't got no black players, right,
- 48:24Speaker 7: so for the most part, they're trying to duck and
- 48:25Speaker 7: forward anyway because it's like we're not equipped to play.
- 48:28Speaker 7: You guys, y'all not even supposed to be in the league, right,
- 48:32Speaker 7: you know, y'all done suit the teams up.
- 48:34Speaker 4: Y'all can't be in this.
- 48:35Speaker 3: Regular athlete they're supposed to be on that mount verse. Yeah,
- 48:37Speaker 3: they schedule. Yeah, so yeah, bro, don't have that luxury.
- 48:41Speaker 3: He ain't got an NBA player every time like when
- 48:43Speaker 3: he was playing in high school. But he definitely for
- 48:46Speaker 3: sure most like is playing the D one player on
- 48:48Speaker 3: the other end, for sure.
- 48:49Speaker 4: When I was in high school, it's the NBA player
- 48:51Speaker 4: every school. Yeah, section, yeah, section, That's why I say
- 48:54Speaker 4: you're trying to slight in the end. Eric and g
- 48:57Speaker 4: Hill went to school with him. I had Coordney on
- 49:00Speaker 4: my team.
- 49:01Speaker 3: Robert we had Robert Vayn and right Mike Josh McRoberts.
- 49:06Speaker 3: We can go crazy that more than what section crazy one.
- 49:11Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 49:12Speaker 2: So if you got lucky enough to beat George Josh
- 49:16Speaker 2: mc roberts and you got to get Mike Conley, see that.
- 49:20Speaker 7: L A is so spread. Yeah yeah, l A so
- 49:23Speaker 7: spread where you don't really you can't. Yeah, it ain't
- 49:26Speaker 7: really like that. There's so many divisions though. It ain't
- 49:29Speaker 7: just crazy.
- 49:29Speaker 4: We just got four a well we got one day,
- 49:32Speaker 4: but don't nobody really played that.
- 49:33Speaker 3: But still even with those for the NBA players, he
- 49:36Speaker 3: still played with D one Cowboy players on his team,
- 49:39Speaker 3: colling them.
- 49:40Speaker 4: Still they said, like eight players.
- 49:44Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, so it's different now, in had different it's
- 49:46Speaker 1: basketball for real, even like it's a hood school called Arlington,
- 49:50Speaker 1: ain't the school no more. They had a dude like
- 49:52Speaker 1: Deontay vnent to Cincinnati. They beat Greg Olden and Mike Colley.
- 49:57Speaker 1: They lost of the year. Yeah they only lost it
- 49:58Speaker 1: the year but he them.
- 50:00Speaker 4: Yeah, like they was ranked twentieth in the country.
- 50:03Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, okay, so okay, it's cool.
- 50:15Speaker 4: You know what.
- 50:18Speaker 7: Now using to me already when we I did ball up,
- 50:22Speaker 7: ball Up, my dad was running the too, that's what running.
- 50:25Speaker 7: And then we went to indyed not going like yeah
- 50:29Speaker 7: we had an indie team. Yeah, it was jumping motherfuckers out.
- 50:34Speaker 7: It was like, yeah, they can get it here. Then
- 50:36Speaker 7: Michica I was like, yeah, y'all got some bouncies.
- 50:39Speaker 4: See nap is one of the places that you'll go
- 50:41Speaker 4: to open gym.
- 50:42Speaker 2: It's a round nigga who just drank the fifth about
- 50:43Speaker 2: to come hoop, but he probably had d one talent
- 50:46Speaker 2: and his But just basketball in Indianapolis especially just mean
- 50:49Speaker 2: too much. Like the open gyms in the city be
- 50:52Speaker 2: different than most places. You're going there with d on
- 50:53Speaker 2: level tal that's got off there.
- 50:55Speaker 3: Eight our shift, y'all got top heavy players in Cali
- 51:00Speaker 3: like you Russ Big, I got a lot of all stars.
- 51:02Speaker 7: To for sure, pop piers like we don't. But even that,
- 51:05Speaker 7: that's still spread out though, because like you know, you
- 51:07Speaker 7: got you have the l A schools you get, so
- 51:11Speaker 7: you got City section, Southern Section. They don't play each other.
- 51:15Speaker 7: So for the most part, like unless you schedule it,
- 51:19Speaker 7: like Jason Crow Junior and my son, they would never
- 51:21Speaker 7: see each other.
- 51:23Speaker 4: But because they both led, so Jason.
- 51:25Speaker 7: Crow Junior as a freshman led the country or ed
- 51:29Speaker 7: CALLI and scoring my son was number two, everybody's like,
- 51:31Speaker 7: we want to see them play against each other, so
- 51:33Speaker 7: now we have to section each other. But their team
- 51:36Speaker 7: is better than my son's team right there, even though
- 51:38Speaker 7: in their section they suck like shit, right, It's just
- 51:42Speaker 7: it's all divisions, you know, it's all divisions, so it's
- 51:44Speaker 7: all spread out, so it's hard for Yeah, that's tough.
- 51:47Speaker 7: Like even though you know, my son him playing against
- 51:50Speaker 7: Sierra kan and everybody's like, oh, he needs to be
- 51:52Speaker 7: in this. It's like he does the rest of the
- 51:56Speaker 7: team they won't even make the C squad at your school.
- 52:00Speaker 4: Yeah, they can't even dribble. They they better not take the.
- 52:03Speaker 3: Ball out, you know what I mean, Like that over
- 52:06Speaker 3: there where like more than rebound, like Martin and Rebound.
- 52:09Speaker 3: You got one of them teams over there. Your team
- 52:12Speaker 3: couldn't they couldn't come to Indiana.
- 52:14Speaker 7: To the state the state, Like if it's an Indy,
- 52:20Speaker 7: he's just gonna go to one of those those schools.
- 52:22Speaker 4: You're not gonna be on the bottom feeding he come
- 52:24Speaker 4: to bike.
- 52:25Speaker 1: Yeah he care taking that for sure, but yeah you could.
- 52:29Speaker 1: It ain't no schools like that. There's no sad schools.
- 52:33Speaker 1: And then for yeah, like we get beat by him
- 52:36Speaker 1: the Southeastern or like Fishers, they got the best they
- 52:39Speaker 1: want state and it's.
- 52:40Speaker 4: All white dudes.
- 52:40Speaker 1: Yeah, and you like we're about to go playing, you're like, man,
- 52:44Speaker 1: about to kill them. They start hooping you like a ship. Yeah,
- 52:47Speaker 1: they play like cutting like Yo State, but they wasn't
- 52:51Speaker 1: holding the bush and they were scoring.
- 52:53Speaker 4: Like one hundred points eighty five points.
- 52:54Speaker 3: But his son got the luxury to it being trained
- 52:56Speaker 3: by him too, So that's kind of yeah, it make
- 53:00Speaker 3: a difference for sure.
- 53:01Speaker 4: Sure. Man. Listen, this has been a wonderful time for us. Gil.
- 53:06Speaker 4: We've been waiting for this episode.
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