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Elisabeth Holmes of Theranos has sentence slashed, non-feminist manager is in trouble | HBR News 455 · Honey Badger Radio

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This is HBr News number four five five. Elizabeth Holmes of Fairs has sentenced
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slashed non feminist manager is in trouble where we discussed the news of the week
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and give it the Badger treatment. Sorry for the delay, guys, welcome
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to any Badger Radio. The guys are doing well this week, and that
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you're laughing at all of this absurdity so that you're not consumed by it.
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My name is Brian and I'm here with Hannah Wallin. Doctor Renderickham is visiting
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family, and Mike Jay is still unavailable. We apologize for there was some
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weird stuff going on with YouTube where our feed wasn't going to the proper places.
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But we are here now and hopefully we'll see you guys in the appropriate
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areas. My name is Brian and I'm here with Hannah and we're gonna be
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talking about the news of the week. As you can tell by my voice,
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I'm still not recovered from whatever the heck I'm afflicted with, but I
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feel like it gets a little better every day. So we might be doing
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things a little differently and have Hannah do the readings of the write ups,
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because just to spare you guys, the sound of my voice. So we
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have some good stuff lined up though. This week we're gonna be talking about
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the latest information regarding Elizabeth Holmes, founder of Fairs, A woman attempts to
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poison her husband and more so, stick around, it's gonna be a good
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time and join us in the after show, where we're gonna be looking at
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for real this time. I have like the tools all ready to go to
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do some like you know, clip editing, and we'll go through that together.
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Regarding the show that Alison and I did yesterday, oh, let's just
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go ahead and get started and hand I'm going to head it off to you,
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alrighty. So our first one is the Sarahanos follow up. Elizabeth Holmes,
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the former CEO of Sarahos, has had her prison sentence reduced for the
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second time in less than a year. According to updated records from the Bureau
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of Prisons, Holmes, who is currently serving her sentence the Federal Prison Camp
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Brian in Texas, had her original eleven year and three months sentence shortened,
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resulting in her expected release date being moved up to August sixteen, twenty thirty
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two. Last July, Holmes had another two years shaved off her sentence after
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being convicted on multiple counts of wire fraud related to defrauding investors of over seven
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hundred million with false claims about Sarahos's blood testing technology. With this latest she
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will serve a little over nine years behind bars, less time than a kid
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spends in school from kindergarten to graduation. The Bureau of Prisons did not disclose
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the specific reason for the recent reduction, but it is noted that inmates at
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FPC Brian can earn credits toward early release through productive activities or participation in recidivism
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reduction programs. As part of the First Step Act, qualified inmates can turn
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up to fifty four days of good conduct time for each year of their sentence.
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Holmes was ordered, along with her former THERENO CEO or COO, Ramesh
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Sonny Balwani, to pay four hundred and fifty two million in restitution to victims.
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However, Holmes's lawyer argued that her limited financial resources would make it difficult
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for her to make the monthly restitution payments. US District Judge Edward Davillia or
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Devilla amended the payment schedule, stating at homes would not be required to make
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payments until after serving her nine year sentence. Despite her incarceration, Homes celebrated
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her fortieth birthday in February with her husband and two young children. Do you
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remember the story of this woman. Yeah, she just flat out lied to
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everybody and stole millions of dollars from people who were hoping to help people over
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detect and overcome medical issues that we currently don't have the tools we need to
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deal with. And there probably are people who counted on her promises and ended
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up not doing things that they would have otherwise done for themselves and letting their
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health get worse because of that. So I remember her arguing that she was
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under his thrall and it was his fault that she committed these crimes. The
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evidence didn't show that. The evidence showed that she was a mover and shaker
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in this company and that she was the initiator. So she is the one
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that lied. She is the one that got people to put up millions of
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dollars based on something that was never gonna happen, And she is the one
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that took people for a ride. And it just amazes me that she can
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get and I mean, this is supposed to be available right to all prisoners,
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this type of getting your sentence reduced for good conduct and participating in recidivism
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reduction programs. But I'm not sure that I believe that she would get quite
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the same treatment if she was a man. There are times when men get
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ordered to do these programs and they don't get their sentence reduced because the program
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is part of their sentence. And in terms of having to pay people back,
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nobody seems to consider men's ability to do that when it's ordered for them
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to do. Nobody turns around and says, oh, well, you know,
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you don't have the money, so you don't have to pay this money
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back that you stole. And nobody does that with child support, nobody does
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that with fraud, nobody does that with theft, none of it. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, I mean basically, it's just another example of you
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know, a women getting like a slap on the risk compared to men to
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commit the same crime. In fact, Holmes was she got an award for
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this. There was like a cable show made about her or a movie or
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something I remember correctly. The whole framing of this is actually like very favorable
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to her, despite you know what she's actually done, yes, especially before
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they discovered it with fraud. She was in media darling mm hmmm. And
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she still is unfortunately, even though she's actually just just a huge fraudster.
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Yeah, there's something appealing to people about a women who managed to sort of
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like deceive people and get away with it. It's like a fantasy associated with
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that or something. So I got a super child from Richard Pierre. I'm
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gonna read it out really quick. He says, for five dollars, and
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then five dollars, so I guess one of those will support for the fundraiser.
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Thank you, Richard, he says, didn't I mention something about Elizabeth
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Holmes during last Thursday's Patron show, Hannah? I think so a patron for
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access to Patron shows and Hannah tangents as well as premium hot mic Hannah that
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is behind the bay wall. Thank you for that, all right, I
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promise you guys. I don't feel as bad as I sound so anyway.
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Yeah, I thought this might be a shorter show than normal, just because
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Hannah has stuff to do, and also because I don't want to put my
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throat through too much. But thank you for the super Child. Yeah,
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I mean, it's just a follow up. I'm not really surprised by any
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of this. I had a feeling that Elizabeth Holmes was not going to say,
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pay the same kind of price that like the guys at Enron probably had
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to pay for example. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the en Wrong guys
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got away with a lot more too. She's basically just a con artist,
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healthcare as her con and people who were desperate to help people in desperate situations
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as her marks. Yeah, Richard Beer, it gives another five dollars and
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says she takes in billions of dollars. I want to say, either four
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point nine billion or nine point four billion in investments. One of the investors
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did happen to be Walmart. It's you know, it's it's if you have
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to like sell yourself to two potential investors. Honestly, like being a woman
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is probably like a big plus if you think about it right, Like,
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like it's like if you can convince people that you are like an unlikely candidate
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for investment because you're part of some appress group, then you're probably gonna get
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more support. I think that's sort of a basis, the most sympathetic basis
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for DEI funding for example, is the people who pay into that stuff.
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They operate under the presumption that they're helping the less fortunate and who is less
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fortunate than women. So it's just sign the thing about, Yeah, you
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know, they have that score, that ESG score that banks give them different
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different companies and everything, and that would include companies that invest. So if
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they're choosing to invest with somebody because the person is a woman and there is
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some way that they can basically exploit that for their ESG score, well,
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that creates situations like this. It makes investors and businesses vulnerable, makes the
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public vulnerable, and the economy vulnerable to female con artists. And also like
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this, this happened because she was a con artist, But stuff like this
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can happen because the individual running the show is incompetent. And there have been
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other instances where people have lost you know, one hundreds thousands millions of dollars
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because somebody that they put in charge of or relied upon to direct how something
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was done or to market it or otherwise, you know, make sure that
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their money was well spent, didn't know how to do their job, or
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just sucked at doing their job. Even if they did know how to do
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it and the same result happens, they just don't get treated the same because
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instead of lying about the product, they're lying about their own performance. So
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when women con companies like this, everybody loses. Yeah, you know,
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you can even say it hurts women because the next woman that comes along with
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something like this, everybody's gonna be like, was this another you know their
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nose? Is this? Is this going to for sure be fake? Look
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she's she's blonde and pretty, you know, is this just uh, are
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we being tricked again? Mm hmmm. That's gonna make it harder for somebody
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that's telling them the truth. Yes, absolutely, it's a good point.
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And uh yeah, it's like basically, like the women who are trying to
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do you know, honest work, they end up lumped in with these other
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women and it's it's not good for them, But it is kind of a
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consequence of this, like overt favoritism. You know, I got another super
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another way, and I think I get read that one already. Yeah,
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so let's know, you guys think about this one in the comments. We're
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gonna move on to the next story. Uh, and I'm gonna head it
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off to you again, we're gonna talk about attempted MOIDA. Yeah, this
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one really got me when I saw it, because it just I don't understand
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this woman in a lot of ways. But Arizona man prevents death at the
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hands of his insane wife. A Tuxsan, Arizona woman initially charged with attempted
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first degree murder has been sentenced to three years probation after attempting to poison her
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husband. Melodie Felicano Johnson, at age thirty nine, initially pleaded not guilty
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against the charge of attempted first degree murder after it was discovered that she had
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been dosing her husband's morning coffee with bleach. Her Yeah, like, that
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wouldn't just poison, It would hurt. Likes, there are poisons that wouldn't
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hurt. At least this would hurt, and you know, it might hurt
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and leave him in pain for the rest of his life, which might be
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just as long as it was going to be if she didn't put bleach in
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his coffee. Her husband, who was living with her in their child in
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Germany at the time due to his service in the US Air Force, suspected
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her of tampering with his drink after noticing and had a foul taste. The
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husband then set up security cameras within the house, which caught her in the
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act. He then proceeded to pretend to drink the coffee until he and his
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family moved back to their native Tucks in Arizona. That's Tucson, you're right,
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I have a sleep. This is bad too, because I had to
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go to work tonight and I know that. Well, hopefully you don't have
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to say the word Tucson. No, no, I have to be awake
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though like that. I shouldn't be more awake like than that anyway, at
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which point he alerted his alerted the police to his to his evidence. Investigators
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searched the house, finding hidden containers that smell the bleach, and noted that
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the coffee machine smelled the bleach. Melody Felicano Johnson would originally be offered a
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plea deal, which she accepted, pleading down from attempted first degree murder to
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two counts of adding poison or harmful substance to food or drink. After serving
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one year in prison during the trial, she was sentenced to three years probation
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and mental health treatment. The motive for the poisoning is believed to be her
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husband's death benefits as well as the divorce the couple was going through, so
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mental health treatment usually they like in a situation like this, it's you're deemed
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to have done something like this due to your mental health if you don't have
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a mercenary motive like money. And it's pretty obvious that she had a mercenary
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motive like money, if she wanted his death benefits, and if she wanted
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to kill him in order to avoid getting divorced. And I know there's differences
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in the military with divorce than there is in the civilian world. If for
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instance, they didn't have a cause for the divorce, that would be considered
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someone being at fault for the divorce. Like nobody cheated, nobody beat anybody,
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nobody did anything that led to the divorce, which obviously this would after
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the fact, but nobody could go into court and say, well, I
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deserve more consideration because the reason we're divorcing is my spouse cheated or beat me
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or emotionally abused me or economically abused me or anything like that. None of
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that happened. She's not going to get the same benefits that a woman in
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civilian family court would where you know, the court presumes her the better parent,
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and the court presumes her deserving of half of everything and all that.
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If if she's divorcing him and he didn't do anything wrong, he actually does
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get if I understand correctly, he actually does get some sympathy from military courts.
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And then if she did cheat or you know, like if she did
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something wrong, that actually works even more against her in military courts, so
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that that would be a mercenary reasoning as well. But this woman is obviously
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an idiot, right She's she's married to a guy who clearly is somebody who
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does his job and brings home his paycheck and takes care of his family,
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and she can't find a way to make things work with him. What does
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she What did she marry a soldier for? If she's all about money?
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You know, he's not going to get rich, right he is. He
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is going to be a person who is accountable. He is going to be
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a person who went into this profession because he's got some level of patriotism,
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probably pretty high, because he's he's, you know, generally speaking, going
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to be a pretty tough guy. It just like something's obviously idiotic about her
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to get into a relationship like this. If she maybe loves someone like that,
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maybe a bear asked her to do it. Yeah, maybe a bear
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ask her to do it. Well, then the other thing is, and
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I hate to say this because, like, it's not something that I've thought
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about doing to another person. But if I was going to think about doing
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something like this to another person, this is one of the worst crimes you
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can commit. Murder is one of the worst crimes you can commit. Oh
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yeah, you get your ducks in a row. If you're going to do
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something stupid like that, you at least cover your ass. You don't.
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You don't do something that you don't know whether it's gonna work. You know,
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this seems like she just sort of impulsively started trying to hurt the guy.
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Now at the other end of it, you know, I'm glad that
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he caught her. I am. The nice thing about stupid criminals is that,
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you know, because she used something foul tasting, he didn't get hurt.
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Yeah, and that's good. I wonder how how how long you know,
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like, how how quickly he caught it? How many times did he
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have bleach filled coffee, and I wonder what the proportion of coffee to bleach
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was. You know, Well, for one thing, it would burn your
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mouth. Yeah, but and and you would taste it. I mean,
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have you ever you smelled No, I smelled it. Have you ever gotten
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it on your fingers and then then it in your mouth? No? No,
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I clean for a little and I use a lot of bleach. I
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use Clorox bleach, and I use Clorox cleanup, and I use other similar
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like generics of that. So a lot of chlorine bleach, and then I
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also use other cleaning chemicals. And it's it's nasty. It's got a very
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bitter taste that sucks all the moisture out of your mouth. It burns.
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And that's just if you get a little bit on your on your skin,
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and you get it on your mouth after you don't get it all washed off
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of your hands. And you know, for her to put that in a
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drink and think he was not going to taste it, like I said,
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she's moron. You know. I imagine imagine being fired from criminal status,
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from dangerous criminal status because you're incompetent. You're just too incompetent to be a
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dangerous criminal. Sorry, lady, you can't have this dangerous criminal job.
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You're you're not doing it right. Like, how humiliating. But but but
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she just thought she was gonna, you know, kill her husband. She
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thought she was gonna And this is not an uncommon thing. It's it's one
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of the reasons I wanted to highlight this was because when I looked into proxy
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violence, female proxy violence, I actually found that it's it's rather common for
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women to get busted trying to hire a hitman or trying to poison a guy,
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or trying to create an accident by damaging his vehicle, or otherwise doing
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things that you know, messing up things that that he needs. There have
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been instances where women have messed with medical equipment, women have messed with people's
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medication. Women have given people medication they shouldn't have. Uh, you know
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when women have many instances when women have poisoned their partners. And we hear
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all the time that men are evil, and men are violent, and men
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are dangerous and women are unsafe with men because two thirds, approximately two thirds
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of the murder of intimate partners is done to female intimate partners, and so
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it's assumed that that's all male intimate partners doing a murder. It's not necessarily
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women kill each other too. Lesbians also murder their partners, so it's also
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possible for more of that than people think to be female perpetrated. But a
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lot of times women don't get caught. Right, this woman got caught she
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used bleach. But there are instances where a man makes the wrong medication.
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There are instances where a man has a car accident because he didn't maintain his
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breaks or something else went wrong with his car. There are instances where it
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looks like maybe a man was mugged, somebody was killed during a break in,
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and they don't catch the criminal, where you don't know that that wasn't
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the wife or girlfriend trying to get rid of him, especially for mercenary reasons
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like this. So this is it's important for people to understand Miss Felicano Johnson
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was dumb in the way that she did it, fortunately for her intended victim.
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If someone is going to try to kill you, your best bet is
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if it's a moron. But a lot of women aren't necessary early that dumb.
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They're dumb enough to still commit a crime like this. Marry some guy
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that they don't love and then commit a crime. But and some women don't
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get caught until after they've killed multiple husbands, and some women never get caught.
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So yeah, when you hear those statistics, and you know, feminists
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will usually make the statistic about how many women a year are killed or how
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it's most likely to be the way that a woman gets killed, because men
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have pretty much done everything they can to eliminate all of the other ways a
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person can get killed from happening to women. But you can't prevent women from
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being dumbasses and getting together with men who are dangerous, unfortunately, because women
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have free will, and unfortunately not all of them have big brains. I
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have I have a sound for that. Hold on a second note, is
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it an anchor man? Yeah, you're just a woman with a small brain,
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with a brain a third the size of us. It's science. Okay,
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So I got a rumble rant and some super childs. I'm want to
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read the rumble rant first. That's why I put rumble chance screen Nova fan
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gave us a dollar and said, want feminist try to claim financial abuse if
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a woman could get financial benefit from her husband's death. She's struggling during economic
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hardship. Uh, yeah, that often happens. The sympathy, The sympathy
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goes through the roof. You've seen lots of cases, so many such cases.
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Do you want to say anything to that rubble rand? Just if you're
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if your goal is money, don't marry a poor man. Yeah, you
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know, if you're going to be a gold digger, be a gold digger
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correctly, or at least be smart about it, or even better, shoot
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the producer right. If you really want money that bad, learn to do
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things that will get you lots of money. And my first hint on how
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to accomplish that is that only fans, isn't it for the majority of women?
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Nope? Six dollars a month, And some some chick was making a
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big deal about Yeah, I earned like six dollars a month on only fans.
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I not know who. It's like, yes you are, You're just
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a really cheap one. Yeah, you're not worth a lot, So thank
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you for that. And if they want to do that, that's their business.
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If they want to do that, but don't come complaining to me about
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being objectified and not getting any money for it. Yeah, do you want
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to make a lot of money? Become a gastro entrologist. There you go.
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All right, So I got some super chils, and then we move
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on to the next story. So great Indoors gives us ten bucks and says,
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honey for the badger's throat. Don't worry, I'm taking care of it
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the best I can. Meredith g gives us five dollars and says, HBr
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news Force fifty five honey for the badgers, Thank you, Meredith. And
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then Richard Pierre gives us five dollars and says, if he were to wind
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up in a persistent comatose state, there is the possibility that she could continue
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to collect disability benefits as long as he remains on life support, if the
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military service were to authorize the continued care, or if he were a retiree.
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Yep, yeah, there was probably some government money that she was looking
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to get from him, if anything. All right, thanks for the superchows,
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and we're gonna move on as the next story. Unfortunately that I just
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saw the draft of the story I put up on Patreon is a little bit
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off, So I'm gonna read it and I apologize. It's it's like some
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little changes that didn't make it into that version, so it just starts off
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different. We're gonna be looking at this weird thing that happened in this business.
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So there was a tribunal ruling that stated that not agreeing with feminism,
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which is an ideology according to them, aimed at quote achieving equality between men
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and women end quote, is incompatible with an equal and diverse workspace and does
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not merit respect or align with human being dignity. Additionally, openly expressing views
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suggesting that there was an effort to remove men from management roles in the workplace
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could potentially violate equality laws. So there was These allegations were made by a
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manager named Kevin leg Legie or Leggie. He filed a motion for discrimination as
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women were being promoted above men at this agency. It was like a wildlife
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and sustainability institution, a government thing, I think, and because feminism,
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he doesn't believe in it. He's a non feminist, is how he described
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himself. So in response to these allegations made by Leggie, the Environment Agency
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denied all claims and asserted that he was dismissed for committing fraud by claiming a
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full time salary while simultaneously working as a counselor. Consequently, Leggy was ordered
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to pay twenty thousand pounds of the agency's one hundred and six thousand pounds in
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legal costs for acting unreasonably. The Employment judge expressed perplexity regarding Leggy's assertion of
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holding a non feminist philosophical belief, as feminism, according to the judge,
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is primarily about advocating for equal rights and opportunities for all genders. Already,
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that's a messed up sentence. By the way. The judge emphasized that the
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Environment Agency aims foster and inclusive workforce while ensuring that the best candidates are selected
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for roles the aspiration of reflecting the diversity of society. Oh my god,
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the buzzwords salad in this Okay, go ahead. That's insane And I'm not
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surprised at all, even though that was insane. That happened in the UK,
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not in the US. If it was in the US, he could
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file a lawsuit and there might be a chance that he could get that overturned.
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But since it's in the UK, I don't know how that would work.
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But but I will say this, if a an ideology that is primarily
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for the benefit of women. And it's primarily about women that advocates for quotas
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in order to remedy the over promotion and over hiring in their mind of men,
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that that that is to women's detriment again in their mind, you know.
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And and you're looking at a situation where if it's one job, one
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person can have it if they have a quota system, and they then they
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have to put women in a certain number of those jobs, regardless of whether
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they're but there the best person, and regardless of whether they have to withhold
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that job from a man, right even if he is the best person.
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So it's it's bullshit. The whole statement that the judge made is dishonest on
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its face, and it is definitely sexist. It is definitely discrimination to tell
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men that they cannot complain when jobs are being taken away from them on the
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basis of their gender in order to supposedly promote diversity. And it certainly isn't
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inclusion. If a guy is being excluded because he is a man and because
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he objects to being told that he cannot have the same opportunities as a woman
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because he is a man, like that is that is not equality. If
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women are not inferior to men. Then they would be able to compete on
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the same playing field and obtain promotions, obtain jobs, obtain accolades, create
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their own success and so on on the same level of men in the workplace
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without having someone come along and reserve rewards for them regardless of outcomes. You
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can't have it both ways. Either women are equal to men and women can
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do what men do and when women do the same job title, they are
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doing the same work, or you have to reserve spaces for women because women
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won't get promoted because they don't do the same work. Yeah. Yeah,
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so I have a and I thought, you know, I'm glad though I
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will say this. I'm glad that he used the term non feminist because it
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means that term is getting out there into the world. So this is a
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big, big plus. I mean, obviously, these agencies, especially the
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ones that are in like countries like Europe and Britain, they're going to push
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back. They're going to throw their hands up and say, I don't understand
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why you're against equality. But that's you know, those counter arguments are in
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the way in the rear view mirror at this point, and anyone who's saying
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non feminist. They know what they're saying now, they understand that this is
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a very important thing to say. It's a very important way to frame this
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conversation. I'm glad that's happening. I'm sorry that he's dealing with these suits,
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but I think it's only gonna strengthen his resolve if anything. And so
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yeah, I mean, like I I you know, I would say,
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see if there's a way for anyone to support this guy, look him up
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online, shoot him some words of encouragement. I got another superchow and then
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this was gonna be the last story, but since we have extra time,
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I'm going to give you a bonus story that's also really important. Okay.
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So Richard Pierre, once again with the five dollars thank you, says,
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this sounds like what the Roman Catholic Church would do to anyone would dissent the
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church's teachings. So this whole undertaking is a modern day here heresy trials,
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the torture chamber. Yes, yes, that is exactly right, and they
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don't do the physical torture, but they will do the humiliation torture, and
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they will publicly humiliate you, and they will browbeat you into at least they
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will try to brow be you into feeling embarrassed. Yeah, so thank you.
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Let me just make sure there's no rubble rants. No, thank you
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for the super child. So I'm gonna add an extra story as of owners
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story. And I'm sorry for how I sound. I can't help it,
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but I think this story is really important. So you may have heard of
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a teacher, a professor that teaches the Socratic method of critical thinking that went
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viral. His name is Warren Smith, and a while back he got into
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a debate sort of discussion with the student about JK Rowling and her supposed transphobia.
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Right, you guys might remember, I'm I'm gonna add this right now
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to this to here and share this with you guys. This is from not
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the be okay, and I'm gonna show you the video so you guys can
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see it. Maybe they'll jog your memory. So these guys want to talk
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about JK Rowling is that's so? What's going on with that? What do
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you want to know? Uh, she's had a pretty controversial past. I
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just want to know, like what are your thoughts on it? And like
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do you still like her work despite her bigot opinions. So let's get specific
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though, Let's define biggoted opinions. What opinions are biggoted. We're gonna treat
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this as a thought experiment. I'm not gonna say what's right or wrong or
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what way to think. The whole point is to learn how to think,
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not what to think. Yeah, so when you say biggie, you're you're
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starting with the conclusion that given her bigoted opinions. Yeah, first let's start
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with does she have bigoted opinions? When you when you say big she has
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had a history of being extremely transphobic. I've heard, and you've heard.
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So what can you give me an example. I'm gonna pall. I'm not
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gonna play the whole thing. It's like five minutes. But you guys have
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probably seen this guy. Now, look, this is not about jk Rowling.
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Don't talk about jk Rowling. That's not important. We know she's a
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radical feminist, that's not the point. The discussion around this guy has to
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do with him essentially confronting his students about thinking critically and exercising the Socratic method.
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So when you call jk Rowling a bigot, and you are told that
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she is transphobic. You have to explain what are you know? Like,
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how do we come to that conclusion? But doing critical thinking was his whole
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spiel. Okay, and this is important not because of the JK. Rowling
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thing, not relevant, don't talk about that, but rather here's what happened.
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Okay. So back in February, high school teacher Warren Smith went viral
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after being asked by a student do you still like JK. Rowling's work despite
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her biggoting opinions? Because he talked about media a lot. Hence that the
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conversation that followed was a masterclass in the Socratic method and critical thinking. In
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it, he asked a series of questions that forced the student to think critically
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about the assumptions he was making. And it shows the video and watch it
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if you want to. That doesn't matter. It went viral. It was
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all over the internet. And then this week, this two day, it
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was revealed that he was fired, and he got fired from his job shortly
39:35
after that video went viral. And the people who fired him, his superiors,
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never explained what it was. They didn't talk to him about it.
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It just took his computer from him. And we're all sort of like forced
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to speculate at this point. Even he made a video trying to understand why
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he got fired, And I think that what matters here is you have it
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says here. According to Smith, he wasn't given a clear reason that he
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was fired, although he seems to believe it was because of the public interviews
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he did after his video went viral. He was on the Reuben Report and
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a couple of other places. I think he was unlike the Daily Wire or
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Prager you or something. He also revealed the school took his computer, which
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contained several projects in book books he had been working on for years. And
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so what I think is what matters here is a male teacher who was really
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good at teaching critical thinking, which is essentially the ability to learn how to
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think and not what to think, was fired from his job after he essentially
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made a demonstration of how to critically think. That JK. Rowling conversation is
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simply the impetus, but it is not really the root of this issue,
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Okay, Because the worst thing, the most threatening thing for people who supposedly
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educate students is for those students to learn how to think from a man like
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this and men that teach are a dying breed, probably because they think more
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like this guy does. So I thought this was worth mentioning. You can
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give us your thoughts on that, Hannah. This has been a thing for
41:38
quite a while that I don't want to say the left, but in a
41:49
way that's probably the best shortcut for it. The communist approving, authoritarian,
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feminine to proving, you know, anti family, anti rugged individuality, and
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so on. Yeahity right, anti masculinity. Set have spent years trying to
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take ownership and control of the concept of critical thinking. So if you look
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at websites where you know, like methods of critical thinking, things that you're
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supposed to do in order to evaluate something, whether it's whether it's an assumption
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or whether it's evidence based and so on, and also explanations of flaws in
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thought that take you away from critical thinking, like believing that somebody must be
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wrong because they're ugly, you know, or or callings somebody a name and
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thinking that wins you the argument. Those things they'll use examples intended to reinforce
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talking points that are generally speaking like pro communist, pro progressive, pro woke
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talking points, and it's I've seen it It's been that way for at least
43:25
I want to say, at least since I started using those sites to show
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people what I was talking about. When I would explain those the like the
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logic fallacies and stuff in two thousand and nine, those they already were sort
43:45
of peppered with here's a way to understand this this logic fallacy, and then
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it would go through and the thinking it gave would actually be fallacious in itself.
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But you know, you could debunket using this other logic fallacy and it
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would be you know, promoting some some political ideal. That's what's going on
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here in a way, because he's not he's not using critical thinking to try
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to make like he's not exploiting the idea of critical thinking and the image of
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critical thinking to try to make somebody feel like an idiot for questioning a woke
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narrative or to try to promote a woke narrative. In fact, he's using
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it to question a woke narrative, and that is verbotin, right, Yeah,
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the wrong think boogeyman must always be killed, and the woke will always
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do their best to kill it. And this is how it happens. Even
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if you are right, even if you are using your your tools the way
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that you're supposed to be using them in a classroom where you are teaching the
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students how to use those tools. And by the way, if what the
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student's conclusion that he started with was, you know, if it had been
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correct, he would have been able to argue it without any difficulty. Right.
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But this is about denying critical thinking as a tool to anyone who might
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use it to question woke narratives and killing the wrong thing boogeyman by firing,
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you know, the individual who made it look like it's okay to use critical
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thinking to question woke narratives. Yeah, yeah, so unfortunate news for this
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guy. He does have other jobs, so he did say in the video
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you can watch it on his channel. I'll drop a link to this not
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the b article in the Patreon. I just added this on last minute.
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So I think that's all we have for now. So we're gonna end the
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show there. Thanks guys for coming on. We're gonna go into the after
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show and play around with the editing software. I got it working, so
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it should be good. I checked it before I set up the after show,
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so you know, don't blame me if it doesn't, but it should
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