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Talks to Nathan Bottomley about his choice of Meglos (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  A blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast.
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  Nathan? Hello, Joe.
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  I don't get surgery in person very often, not very often at
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  all. I mean, we did do this bill with
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  episodes 1 & 2. Yeah.
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  But we've waited a couple of days and now we're back with
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  three and four. I've already started releasing
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  one. Yeah, thanks so much.
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  We have to do it. No one will ever hear the end
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  not yet. Thoughts on the glass.
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  Well, you know, I'm going to jump straight in.
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  Okay with a question from Twitter because it's all Like
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  the debate, this this thread who's that person is it's very
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  delightful and handsome, man known as Todd bill because I've
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  never heard of it. If not, I'll introduce you this
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  happy, you know of watching Doctor Who and not enjoying it.
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  Yes. And then going back and watching
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  it again and really enjoying it. We call it the Todd experience.
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  Awful, you never heard of it, huh?
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  So Todd asks The Chronic history always sorry States.
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  The Chronic hysteresis seen is magnificent.
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  Yeah. Yep.
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  True and the dodecahedron also true and make loss and Lexa.
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  Yes, I don't have already said all those.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. Right on all counts.
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  What do you think about all the blond weeks?
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  They're terrible. Obviously.
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  And I think is it it's to make them look more science fiction
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  e. Because I think they're sort of
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  deliberately self-consciously a bit crap.
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  And I think, when did we last have have this?
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  We had the the The server team, remember that, if we call the
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  terrible hat. Yeah, the test had terrible hat.
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  He cozies. Yeah.
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  And they, they had sort of very sallow skin, and they were
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  extremely gay, remember that? Yes, look yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. And then, and there now have the
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  seventh on the Dion's and I think it is.
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  It's such a sort of cheesy science fiction, trobe that they
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  decide. Do you remember when you
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  obviously UFO exactly the same. Oh my.
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  Yeah, although they're purple and a, what do the women in
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  Iran? Those weeks for a reason.
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  Don't, they don't purple week. So really are they protect
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  against radiation or something and Moon Bay style?
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  Something something have you seen what sort of wigs do they
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  have wigs in? David Alex to those ladies have
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  we think so they're they're all sort of blondes but they are
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  waxy where she in today? Yeah, to suggest that they're
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  all evil or plastic or the last time I saw this much sort of
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  blond hair in a science fiction. Show that I watched with you in
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  person. Yeah.
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  What is he a cheese Justice? Which we're not doing the same
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  thing? No, not whitewashing the show.
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  No, I mean the area Effects mind, you all of the people.
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  I mean, some of the some of the gas tax, the gas tax or
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  ethnically diverse, aren't they? There's one.
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  I think there is no trouble, man.
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  I think so. Yeah, and maybe one sort of
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  Mediterranean looking guy, so they're a little bit more.
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  Be fair, that's not a doctor. Who never will?
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  They are all equal. Well, the gas tax that they are
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  not really evil, are they? I put another question for you
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  now. Yeah, I just want to ask you,
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  and I say, what point do you think Doctor, Who in the classic
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  series dropped that, you know, all foreigners are the evil
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  characters and was genuinely ethnically diverse.
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  I actually don't think it quite makes it ever.
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  I think Battlefield might content was shy young and bear
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  are. Yeah, that's true.
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  Actually, I just think it's kind of Like a caged diverse in that.
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  Yeah, it's gender diverse and you've got Lavelle and you've
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  got the big nièvre and staff, we just, you know, kind of what
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  unit probably always ought to have been what on classic who
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  the last series decisions about man.
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  I mean, the previous year, they still have, you know, like the
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  black blues musician and the wrapping black ringmaster and
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  stuff. I mean, they're casting black
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  Does. But putting them in sort of
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  very, very stereotypical role on the show, is still incredibly
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  wise? Yeah, yeah.
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  And I think that modern show, obviously, he's very that than
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  that, from 2005. And then, it takes a step even
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  further in that direction. With Chris, chibnall who manages
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  to get a diverse cast in front of a camera and a diverse sort
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  of writing and directing team. And does something that the that
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  was kind of long overdue in the show.
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  Oh, I think trouble is, it was like switching off then.
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  Well, yeah. I'm also going to ask mark .x
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  question, work. A lovely, lovely, Mark.
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  Datuk asks, is this story good, or is it just beyond our
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  comprehension? That's a good question.
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  Tried in fact and it's perhaps the one story that has the least
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  kind of bid made in it. Do you think?
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  I mean there are still scientists which we said was a
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  feature of season 18 but they're kind of science.
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  Yeah, they're cheesy scientists and it does do the bid made
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  thing of blurring science and Magic because of the
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  dodecahedron as we observed before is a platonic solid.
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  And you know, it seems to provide Power Power simply
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  through that property. As I said to you, I'm not until
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  that's been stolen now. Yes, I need an adult.
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  Yeah, I don't know how they're still functioning no.
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  And I think there is a line of dialogue saying that they've got
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  reserve powers and that there are K actually winding down.
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  I must have missed. I think someone asked a question
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  about that. Was, it was, you know, now that
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  the dodecahedron has gone, how will the people of tie Gala
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  survive? If you know, are they start?
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  And just enough for one day till or 19 minutes for the rest of
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  this place. Yeah yeah.
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  Yeah. Well I think that they probably
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  just start eating the Lush aggressive vegetation fair
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  enough. Hello.
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  Absolutely. Shh sighs.
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  I think so too. Bid made actually says in the
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  there's a wonderful special feature where the writers go and
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  visit him at home. And honestly, he positions
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  himself in his from room right in front of this bookcase with
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  these extremely intelligent. A glass of wine is had so the
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  focus is on the books. Yeah, which is amazing, but big
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  new goes, you know, I know but I was just getting this season, I
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  thought this was the one that got past, you know, that was
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  season 17 esto, right? And that it was just a load of
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  crap jokes and he's kind of bulb with him and says that I think
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  there's no I went back and watched it and this is where I
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  think he's mad because no, no I thought it was a damn fine piece
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  of drama. It is fun though, I'm nervous.
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  Reaper in policies. First impression of it was
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  correct and that's why it's good.
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  Yeah, yeah yeah. I love season 17 and like I
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  don't think this is quite as clever as season 17 because you
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  don't have to undress Adams directing so it's not as
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  verbally clever but it is really sort of properly entertaining.
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  Why do you think it's got a lot of tricks that it's putting out
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  of the bag to keep you interested?
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  I'm Luke. The doppelganger the angry
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  plants, the Pirates. The hey how is it us?
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  Lexa Yeah, well, quite and it still comes in short.
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  Yes, I know. Yes.
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  So we recording two episodes this morning and episode 3,
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  looks like it's 21 minutes long, and I think and that's all you
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  think nineties and they have pretty killer appraisers as
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  well. What should we find out?
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  Okay, I think we should, let's watch about a third of episode
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  2, followed by a few minutes that constitute the new material
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  in episode 3. All right, shall I kind of say
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  it again, please. Do five, four, three, two, one,
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  and we're off. For the last time you get to
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  push my buttons. You have to take the
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  opportunity. Yeah, that's right terroristic.
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  Says, you know, you guys, you can always tell when an episode
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  was over wanting or under wanting because we prize.
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  Well, if we're lucky material will go for a good five minutes.
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  This is still. Yes, it is.
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  Yeah, it's 19 where it goes twice weekly and it's tanking
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  since 1990 going twice weekly. I was a Savvy move.
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  Isn't that their ratings course or up to a 9 10 and 11 million
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  NOK time. Fly, got 11 million for a show
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  mom. This got about 4 million.
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  Yeah yeah. There's no justice in the world.
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  I know it's terrible. I actually the He's the saying,
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  oh my, yeah, you're right. That was great.
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  That beard. Remember we said where she gets
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  confronted by brought a deck and she just does a big smile.
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  She's absolutely the doctor. She's not at all scared.
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  And then she just sort of ducks out of the way ticker tape.
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  That's flowing. Yeah, I think it's the thing
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  that I want to look at most other large plastic gray leaves.
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  See that see them there. There in the background is these
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  big plastic gray leaves everywhere.
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  I've been down to poundland. Yeah, what is strange though, is
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  job, see? John nathan-turner has been
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  around for a while. He saw Creature from the pit
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  being made, he knows they can do a bloody good jungle.
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  Yeah. But in this sense or Kinder,
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  it's like well I think the thing that really probably sells the
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  jungle and Creature from the pit is that it's on film.
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  It would obviously yellow very of that lion.
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  She's seen too much and that was Cliffhanger.
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  So you can see what our problem was in there.
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  That long. No, I don't, you know, I love it
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  when they do this when they build a bit of the ship.
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  Yes, Horace. Yeah, they do the same thing in
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  like Planet, a Daleks. But yeah, I'll ship and things
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  like that. Yeah, works really well.
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  That's not up to me. It's just an LC out the doors
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  for a change. I don't, this is, is that
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  marvelous bit where she talks about and I know they haven't
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  gone running when I have so it already had a time, which Burnt
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  up, a fair amount of screen time, and it's forgivable,
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  because as Todd says, it's magnificent, it's really great
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  fun. And the resolution is hilarious
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  here, we get Ramana leading the gas tax around and around in
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  circles just to burn off maybe running some
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  I guess it looks counterclockwise if you're
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  looking down from the North Pole and it looks clockwise if you're
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  looking up from the or something, any chance to give
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  the fellow Place Productions to scratch his head.
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  It's rise. Now, diedrichs has his wig on
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  crooked which I think is undermining.
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  Now, I don't believe is his hair at all.
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  I do like this scene though, this sort of thing, between
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  diedrichs and what Karis means, prawn.
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  Well, way from all The regulars and the dodecahedron has gone,
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  and they're talking about what the dodecahedron is, and how
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  they don't understand it. They think that's, yeah, that's
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  really interesting. Well, and particularly since
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  they're the ones who represent, you know, logic, you know, they
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  devise their models of the World, by observing it in
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  controlled ways and they say the dodecahedron is an artifact.
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  That someone's He'd and Lexus has famously it descended from
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  and say, but neither of those easy officer is no, I'm not,
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  but, but the seventh don't have a better answer.
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  That's the problem. They don't have a better artist
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  leave alone. What it is, always just magic.
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  Go, it would spoil it to learn what do you think?
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  But then the fact that you have one side giving, you know,
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  belief explanation and the other side.
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  Acknowledging that. Oh yeah, we don't know even
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  science. Can't tell us what if yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah. So that so it's kind of like
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  they're epistemology doesn't give them any advantages.
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  This here are they are literally walking around in a circle.
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  Yeah, this is a sort of thing bloody Moffitt.
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  We're doing it a literal, you know.
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  Yeah. I'm wasting going around.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Ooh, cheeky babies. Well, particularly since it's
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  our second Circle in two episodes you know we have the
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  timeline Oh, here she is. Jacqueline, heels back.
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  Yeah, it's like looking for a marketing.
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  So we lose our, you know, I don't think she goes for goes
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  until for a terrible be oscillation.
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  I'll head out, right? I think some of the directions
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  here, but that be there, that how action sequence on her deaf.
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  Yeah, talk about signposted. No, it's terrible.
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  It is just, we want to get her out of the way and I think, I
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  think I said maybe an hour flight through entirety episode.
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  I said that So I thought, what would have been more interesting
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  would be to have diedrichs and Lexa?
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  After now, they have to work together to build all that a
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  society logical complete. That's how it should be.
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  I don't religion, have to find a way to yeah.
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  Today, you know, they're not going to persuade one another
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  How did I solve it in mysterious planet?
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  Again, obviously, you've got science.
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  The robot you've got sort of the traditionalist.
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  Yeah, we'll just blows up like a robot, your Styles.
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  Yeah, the red. Dyes is there are still around
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  at that point, the backlight conversa and it explodes.
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  Oh there it is rotation revolving, brought a deck sort
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  of nods his head as if you under.
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  Yeah, I think we're gonna shake. You said that Freddie
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  whatever-his-name-is who plays product Is absolutely superb.
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  He's so great. It just makes the pain even
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  better. Yeah.
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  Oh, this is some, these sequence of Tom van in these sort of dark
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  caves with weird shoes with what about those plants in the shoe
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  box. There is a filter oxygen, you
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  know, maybe. But that's a good effect.
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  I like that. Yeah man.
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  Trying to tear free of me gloss and then he sort of gently
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  pulling him in but no, don't make it don't show one emotion.
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  No, no, well, Well, he's the car will put his eye out.
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  He smiled Madonna's going for the same problem moment is that
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  is time I really like that and then you every time they let Tom
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  do evil. I think about Invasion or tired
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  episodes 1 & 2. Yeah, you know, he can bring us
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  sense of Stillness or I didn't fuck it up.
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  Like in Armageddon factor, six or Sherlock?
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  His death must be a joke. All right.
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  Say yeah, he's bad. If you are not listening I can
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  make him your son thing when he does.
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  He does a bit of that here. Looks like the weight after
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  that. I think about this about that.
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  No. The sooner we get us back to the
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  white Guardian. The better vocal said in
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  contrast to last. We super charming.
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  And yes, and he is like he's his proof that he didn't steal.
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  The debit. Dodecahedron was smiling and
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  saying, well I don't do that sort of thing.
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  Which I think is terrific. He's turn Moffat dollar.
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  It's a good old-fashioned. Doppelganger.
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  Thanks Tom. We know what?
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  Sort of plot win it all? This is the sequence I was
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  telling you about look. Yeah.
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  Puts his hand on his shoulder and then just lose her to the
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  shadows and I think we think he's probably gonna die at this
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  point. Don't wait.
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  Because there's no indication. There's always.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And she's just terrified. That's why she's moving.
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  She's sort of pulling back a bit but she's Not resisting that
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  much. This was a late VHS receipt.
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  I have harnessing this early, young white, scared me.
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  Well, you know, I was quite impressionable.
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  That's right faster. I think we should acknowledge.
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  You don't struggle a little. Yeah, he does, he's good.
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  Yeah, he does throw like a good act as a good acts.
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  I was like oh no like heart. No.
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  Yeah, it's a good acts. Well, I'd like, I didn't really
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  know who he was, but it was watching the, the behind the
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  sofa, and having everyone kind of impress him with under Downs
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  with us, the hill. Yeah.
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  And so she why does she think it's the doctor?
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  Oh no, he's explaining. I am Meg.
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  Wasson comes the music that's in this game too long.
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  Now that it can pull off a line like I am, it was one of them is
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  questions. One of those questions was
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  about. You have we have like two
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  planets revolving around the Sun that we tie Gala and zall for
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  fuhrer. Iraq.
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  You can peaking at the question, is that, once the system, I
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  can't remember any way the the, and then it's, they do, give the
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  name of the system, I can't remember.
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  Can both of them have evolved, you know, plant life.
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  I don't do they. Yeah, well because Aaron's
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  terrified. You only have to listen to my
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  normal. Be praised episode where I asked
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  Jack Shanahan how the motto, how necklace could possibly come to
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  be and he spins a delightful yarn about mr.
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  And mrs. McLaughlin.
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  Well, ho mingling. I mean he's the last of the
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  Sulphur theorems is he says there.
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  And so I guess You know that planet I don't know.
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  Whatever he reminds me of their armas from Skin of Evil on the
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  desert Planet. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I think this was the
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  inspiration. No.
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  Well it happened afterwards for a star and this is better.
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  Yeah. So so I guess they're just two
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  planets in the Goldilocks. I not?
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  They this is like an area in a solar system where I don't know.
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  Like it's I actually kind of like that because it is Sort of
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  cheesy science fiction and stuff, but just having the two
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  planets, I mean, I think Bob Holmes discovers this that it
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  makes it as sort of a bit more reach, you know.
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  The it's not just we all just basically within one square mile
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  on one planet. There are two planets and
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  they're kind of different from one another.
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  We get to see them in the same thing.
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  I kind of like that, I guess I was a nerdy kid, who'd, like
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  astronomy. And so that made it fun and
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  you've got such bold stroke. With the gray.
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  Hang on the river with the Dion's the day on the servants
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  and the gas tax. Yeah.
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  But you're basically got all your scenes.
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  Yeah mixture. And I was carrying dressing
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  gowns do it. Tom is going to be sacrificed at
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  the end of this episode. Oh yeah, piece on this Stone
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  which is something that happens from quite handsome.
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  An underworld happens to him in stones of blood.
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  I think that there's a Sacramento.
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  Is there a sacrifice in mask of mandragora?
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  There is a Sarah gets dragged off.
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  What's a good way? It's sedately.
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  Yes, sir. I I don't know as well, I don't
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  remember. You are kidding me, she's facing
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  the knife, sibylline Sisterhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah I actually it
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  actually, she needed me. I have to say because I was
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  really sick of these Sacrifices, I think at this point I declared
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  a moratorium and there were to be no more human sacrifices in
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  Doctor Who and I think you've closed up an Avenue of
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  Storytelling, then I'm gonna it's not a great Avenue that has
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  been stripped. My I do think the execution in
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  this one is really good though. Yeah, because it's so simple.
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  Ways of blame is a row. Yeah.
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  Yeah music yeah. Music religious sort of
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  ethereal. Style music and then possibly
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  look scared, but he can't undermine it all by, you know,
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  being stupid. And so he's kind of this sort
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  of. It's almost like he's trying to
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  get out of the stones way even though he's sort of tied to the
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  thing. She's literally, the doctor
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  here, isn't she? Yeah, I never said, she was just
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  running this ragtag bunch of pirates.
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  I'm Mary Dollars around this planet but this is what the dogs
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  were. Yes, goes, no, I don't have to
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  hell. We go.
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  What is that those tendrils? Where is it backwards?
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  I think it's backwards. The way that they was funny, is
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  General, Kroger the actor. He just can't be bothered with
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  anything. No, not grabbed his army sort of
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  looking at. Yeah, I'm an actor.
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  I'm not gonna fucking believe this.
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  She does a great job of she's pretty good.
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  Banging on the door going. Let me in acting, isn't she?
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  That's her thing. She's robbed, marvelous at all.
• 23:28
  I think she's watching that Destiny of the Daleks every day.
• 23:31
  One way they end of episode one, so good.
• 23:35
  And people mock that bit where she's facing the Daleks and
• 23:37
  she's going, you know, I don't know the answer.
• 23:40
  She's got, she's almost two years, it's really good and it's
• 23:43
  she's pathetic. No, no, they're supposed to be
• 23:45
  clear the darling, you know? Yeah, it may cost is going to be
• 23:50
  off. Now, with cat stay here with
• 23:51
  her. Can't remember Our own over the
• 23:55
  Earth, things about to distract him.
• 23:56
  I think it's linked to you again.
• 24:01
  I think that poor, he pops up like this.
• 24:07
  It was probably a couple of days work.
• 24:12
  Yeah, it just terrifies me to think you know, this could have
• 24:14
  been make loss along now. We don't know.
• 24:16
  That's, there's so many In and Out of Doors in episode 4.
• 24:19
  The we never quite managed to keep track of Who's Who so this
• 24:21
  is presumably happening live and being done in camera, right?
• 24:25
  And he's off in front of a black curtain or something.
• 24:28
  I think they do a reasonable job.
• 24:31
  Like, I'm selling that with you gotta do is issues, like, it's
• 24:34
  not gonna be like it is man convincingly pulling his way out
• 24:38
  of my closet is just spell it out to the kids.
• 24:39
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 24:40
  Charlie get away. Yeah, we have to tell But I
• 24:42
  think they do a reasonable job. Yeah, I was this is always a bit
• 24:45
  awkward now and they have to try and Bash down this.
• 24:48
  Yeah, yeah, even see you later. Particularly since the actors
• 24:50
  are all slowing down so that the brand doesn't hit the door to,
• 24:54
  huh? Like they run up and then slow,
• 24:56
  tar him. That was good.
• 24:58
  I like that. It keeps the camera on the door.
• 25:00
  Yes, being smashed. Yeah.
• 25:01
  Yeah. It's all a bit busy.
• 25:07
  Yes. Now, is that?
• 25:08
  Maybe that's the idea again does.
• 25:09
  All that guy. Got shot at stage.
• 25:12
  Look at that big rubber rubber thing.
• 25:16
  I guess it must be polystyrene. There's a thing about gimp mask
• 25:20
  and Pollock, black polished. But yeah, I love them and say,
• 25:24
  thing up here. Yeah, he's very handsome and
• 25:35
  very full trousers, really, not as follows.
• 25:40
  He's worth going back to. And he said, who are you Joe?
• 25:50
  This is our way of saying that not great deals occurring right
• 25:53
  now. There's a lot of running around
• 25:54
  and best packages of Doctor Who, oh, okay, and we've okay.
• 26:00
  So is this the doctor or that's big boss so they go off with.
• 26:04
  Make laws. Are you failed by the way?
• 26:06
  He's a tiny golden hardboard. Replica of the dodecahedron
• 26:10
  which oh my God. Look at it.
• 26:12
  From the gift shop, a lot of times and he's this the
• 26:36
  Cliffhanger, it is. Yeah, is it.
• 26:38
  So when the music starts, screaming, death, death Death,
• 26:41
  there we go. And it's absolutely panicked Tom
• 26:44
  which is I still think it's a pretty good clip.
• 26:48
  Wait, did these men all have long plaits?
• 26:50
  Is that what's happening here or fabulous white hair because
• 26:55
  otherwise they look like you from encounter at farpoint.
• 26:58
  They do wrong. They've got that look.
• 27:01
  But the that's June. Hudson is not giving them big
• 27:04
  long right. In fact, she's a maniac,
• 27:07
  enhanced and hacking quatre moment.
• 27:09
  No end. If she did, she would imagine It
• 27:12
  look how like she's a religious Maniac obviously, but there's a
• 27:16
  warmth in her performance, in a smile behind it.
• 27:20
  Like she I think, like, I think part of the problem perhaps is
• 27:26
  that she's too good and that we should be cheering for Lexus
• 27:30
  death. Because she's yeah, yes.
• 27:32
  But we can't do penalize supposed to like her at all?
• 27:35
  No, but we do and I think we do. Is it because it's Barber
• 27:38
  though? No, I think well yes obviously
• 27:41
  but like I first saw this. I had no idea who she was.
• 27:45
  And you still like the carrot. Yeah.
• 27:46
  Because there's a real warmth to her.
• 27:48
  She says everything with a smile, you know, disaster likes
• 27:51
  her, she doesn't ask unreasonable questions.
• 27:55
  Remember. She's the one who says, well
• 27:56
  either did descend. If the dodecahedron didn't
• 27:59
  descend from heaven, where did it come?
• 28:02
  Where where? And they can't answer that
• 28:06
  question. You know, but then they can
• 28:08
  offer it with science either. No, but that's what I'm saying.
• 28:11
  They Can't answer it, the seventh can ask answer, they
• 28:14
  dismiss her Theory, but they haven't got a competing Theory,
• 28:18
  you know, because she she is literally the villain.
• 28:20
  Now, she's prostrating to the heavier about to flatten.
• 28:23
  Tom Baker. Yeah.
• 28:25
  So maybe she has to pay for that but I think in the show as it
• 28:28
  turns out given the acting and her choices and things, it would
• 28:32
  have been much more interesting to have those two sides.
• 28:37
  You know, have to, you know, they left to make an
• 28:41
  accommodation to we go. We don't go back to.
• 28:44
  No, never. And I said, you know, that's why
• 28:45
  this doesn't feel like a yeah. I mean, because we don't really
• 28:49
  care what happens? Yeah, they've hit they give it
• 28:51
  all the sort of Timeless. Exposition of all this all
• 28:54
  happened in the past. Yeah, but we don't care enough
• 28:56
  to know to see how it all went up.
• 28:58
  Yeah, that's real Karis and diedrichs by a man can go of it.
• 29:03
  We even had that in Halls of 91. When they go off to the Wedding,
• 29:06
  March was Yeah hika. It's something not just on the
• 29:12
  scanner but it's something. I do think that there's
• 29:17
  something like the physical thing of them burn your rope is
• 29:20
  pretty great. And I don't know if you notice
• 29:22
  there was a ceiling in that set and as yes thing that I love
• 29:26
  about late 80s, late 70s, early 80s is a ceilings for edible
• 29:35
  ceilings in. In the letter Hive that the
• 29:39
  sound Echoes of so that you feel like you're in an enclosed
• 29:42
  space, that's one of the great things about you don't.
• 29:45
  Feel like you're in a studio for feel like I'm winning at life.
• 29:48
  You know, when I know what day is it today?
• 29:51
  No idea that if do I but a late afternoon, you and me are
• 29:54
  talking about the ceilings of Mentor we should do a whole
• 29:58
  podcast on it well and then we could progress into the windows
• 30:01
  when they appear in looking at that as shares their life.
• 30:05
  Some of our we got to feed for that I cuz they were charting
• 30:09
  that Dreadful. Sofia that is fantastic
• 30:11
  conversation pit. Sophia yeah.
• 30:15
  The second place. Yes.
• 30:16
  So yeah. Yeah.
• 30:18
  I think it does turn up and other things as well.
• 30:20
  What is the sight of that? Okay, I'm not saying the past.
• 30:22
  Now you know I said about seeing the spaceship in the jungle.
• 30:27
  Yeah and then you see the interior of the space ship with
• 30:30
  the jungle outside. Yeah.
• 30:32
  Just little details like that. I'm convinced that they're
• 30:35
  they're, you know, you're seeing if we both put well they don't
• 30:38
  do this very often, you know. I think that I put this much for
• 30:42
  into giving you a sense of place usually like time. /.
• 30:45
  It's just a matted room. Yes.
• 30:47
  So for in it. Yeah, that'll do.
• 30:49
  So one of the things, one of the things that I think that the
• 30:53
  Leisure Hive does particularly well, is to create a sense of
• 30:57
  that space. Hmm, you know, and it's partly
• 31:00
  because there's a sort of consistent design.
• 31:03
  It's partly because we see people moving from place to
• 31:06
  place. We refer to particular rooms,
• 31:09
  there's ceilings to the sets, the the, you know, the
• 31:13
  conference room. Sounds different The room with
• 31:15
  the generator and and so on you go from outside material.
• 31:20
  We're or window to me inside. Yeah.
• 31:23
  But you ever the think he sort of tinkertoy in perak role that
• 31:27
  sort of oil rig? Yeah the bathtub.
• 31:30
  Yeah. And it looks like a signatory.
• 31:32
  Well you can pay that to those establishing shot.
• 31:34
  Yeah that's kind of a and that's right.
• 31:37
  Vastly you know that's not a technologically more impressive.
• 31:40
  Never ceases whateley a season and a half away.
• 31:43
  Yeah it's just the direction. This I think in context felt
• 31:47
  like a step backwards because it isn't as striking, it's not as
• 31:51
  beautifully just as stylishly directed as the Leisure Hive.
• 31:55
  But I still think it is the new look.
• 31:58
  It doesn't look like it's from season 17 as people claim.
• 32:02
  I do. Wonder if there's a bit of an
• 32:03
  ask in this though, is quite an ambitious.
• 32:05
  It what is asking for the jungle all the same?
• 32:07
  Yeah, other planet. The thing rising up out of the
• 32:10
  day's. Yeah, all of that stuff.
• 32:12
  You would, you know, they were you remember the power?
• 32:15
  Complex. The just seemed for a window,
• 32:18
  isn't it? Well, I think it's seen on the
• 32:20
  Tardis scanner in Norms of nimonic printed circuits.
• 32:24
  Yeah. Well, it's very similar to the
• 32:26
  design of the The Hive in the Leisure Hive.
• 32:28
  I think. But it's the execution.
• 32:31
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:32
  Just how it's directed and here, you've got model work, which is
• 32:35
  vastly more ambitious and vastly more interesting.
• 32:38
  And what happens? Next is you have full circle
• 32:41
  that an astonishingly. Good location work.
• 32:44
  Yeah. And the sets in that sets a
• 32:46
  really good fit with Peter greenaway time them.
• 32:48
  And the model of the, the Starliner looks pretty great and
• 32:51
  he's weird. It's not just, you know, just
• 32:53
  the usual spaceship. Mmm?
• 32:56
  Yeah, Yeah. And then you've got unbelievably
• 32:59
  piece of Moffat coming in in State of Decay.
• 33:01
  Yeah, I'm doing really interesting visuals.
• 33:04
  Yeah. But the quadrille, you know?
• 33:06
  Yeah, it's an exposition scene but we're going to dance around
• 33:09
  the room. Yeah.
• 33:10
  You know that I mean that has models Work depicting things
• 33:16
  that we haven't really seen. Tried before is a bit polish it.
• 33:20
  Yeah, yeah, yeah that's it. Yeah, that's right.
• 33:23
  And then you got Warriors gate. Well yeah, let's leave it there.
• 33:26
  Yeah, give us an and the model work I'll never get above all
• 33:29
  images in that story. Well, I'm gonna out its now with
• 33:34
  another question. Okay, if you don't mind, John
• 33:37
  Hall asked is tie gala where Carol channing's weeks when when
• 33:42
  they died. I actually think it's possible
• 33:44
  to care. All chanting got her wigs as a
• 33:48
  Job. Lot.
• 33:48
  From this production. He's Carol Channing.
• 33:51
  She's a famous singer in America and a comedian.
• 33:57
  Does she look like yeah, yeah, D, obviously, she's really
• 34:02
  funny. I'll show you some YouTube
• 34:04
  video. Interesting to model her look on
• 34:06
  that. John Hall.
• 34:07
  Also asked, do you think big finish missed a golden
• 34:09
  opportunity by not having set a fourth dr.
• 34:12
  Romano canine Earthling stories. I'll just On for goodness sake.
• 34:16
  They've done enough of this set between McLaughlin full circle,
• 34:19
  as they try to return the hapless human to his wife home
• 34:22
  before dinner. Do you know, I already replied
• 34:25
  to this on Twitter and I said I would But you have, I would buy
• 34:29
  the machine. I want that box set.
• 34:33
  If I say it three times, I'll say to you and John, you are
• 34:36
  responsible. This is why everything Bring It
• 34:43
  On.