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HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARILYN! BIG 100! · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Baby, I'm a gangsta too.
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  Speaker 2: It takes a little tangle.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to mess with me.
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  Speaker 3: Mess with me, baby, I'm a gangsta too.
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  Speaker 4: Poch Baby, you're a game statoo.
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  Speaker 5: For good warning.
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  Speaker 4: This podcast is designed to take you outside of your
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  Speaker 4: comfort zone and make you question reality.
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  Speaker 6: Listener Discretion is a vibek with the fellas.
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  Speaker 1: This ain't my first time at the rodeo.
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  Speaker 7: Happy birthday to you.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I should sing it like.
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  Speaker 5: She sing it to President Kennedy.
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  Speaker 7: Happy Birthday to you, Happy birthday to you. If you
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  Speaker 7: were still alive, it's would be sagging and you tain't
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  Speaker 7: would to a Happy.
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  Speaker 5: Birthday, Maryland.
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  Speaker 2: You'd be a century old sex kitten on the loose.
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  Speaker 2: We all know what happened to you, and it ain't
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  Speaker 2: a pretty picture. But in honor of Maryland's big one hundred,
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  Speaker 2: here we are. It's a cosmic peach classic. Out of
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  Speaker 2: all the Maryland presentations I've given, this one is my
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  Speaker 2: favorite and I hope you enjoy it and enjoy today
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  Speaker 2: June first, Maryland's one hundredth suicided birthday.
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  Speaker 6: Enjoy Welcome to the occult Rejects. In this episode, I
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  Speaker 6: got Julia cosmic Peach back with us again. The last
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  Speaker 6: few times that we've had her on, it's been a blest.
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  Speaker 6: We went live, it's very interactive chat. Fans loved us.
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  Speaker 6: So how to bring it back again and we all live? Uh?
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  Speaker 6: And I got joining me, I got the cult reject
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  Speaker 6: man scientist Lisa, and I got my man Headless Giant.
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  Speaker 6: How do you say that? What's that that label you
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  Speaker 6: got over there?
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  Speaker 1: Helic gitz up poster.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, very very very fair. Good morning, yeah Headless, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: he's been on a roll lately. You gotta go check this.
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  Speaker 3: We've got a bunch of good emails coming up for
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  Speaker 3: the for the next reading of your occult slash paranormal stories.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm really excited about that. Yeah again again Please,
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  Speaker 6: I'm glad Headless is he had to plug it again
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  Speaker 6: before we get into the show. Please, if you have
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  Speaker 6: any of these stories, any like weird dreams, a cult whatever,
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  Speaker 6: listen off again Headless, please email my man.
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  Speaker 3: Headless esoteric stories, occult stories, paranormal stories, dreams that you
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  Speaker 3: have recurring or strange occurrences in your family. You can
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  Speaker 3: email me at Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com
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  Speaker 3: and I will get those read up on the air.
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  Speaker 1: So check that out.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it should be fun. We've actually been getting email,
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  Speaker 6: well he's been getting the emails in and I think
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  Speaker 6: it's going to be some fun stuff. Definitely looking forward
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  Speaker 6: to that and h yeah you want to let it?
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  Speaker 6: Did you already plug your show?
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  Speaker 1: Me podcast?
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  Speaker 6: Okay? No, no, not you get Julia. We're gonna do Headless.
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  Speaker 6: I'll give you. Did you plug your podcast already?
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  Speaker 1: Check me out on YouTube Headless Giant Podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: You'll find me there.
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  Speaker 6: Awesome. Thank you. Now to the main guest, Julia.
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  Speaker 5: I am wherever you listen to podcasts, just you know,
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  Speaker 5: not YouTube course, because fuck them. And I'm on the
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  Speaker 5: Cult of Conspiracy podcast every Saturday. I do a show
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  Speaker 5: for them once a week, and yes, and so if
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  Speaker 5: you want to check that out, it's called Cult ex
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  Speaker 5: Cosmic every Saturday, and then I of course have my
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  Speaker 5: own show, Cosmic Peach and then coming up around the corner,
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  Speaker 5: I don't have like a release date yet, but Colby
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  Speaker 5: and I are starting a new show. It's called The
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  Speaker 5: Kill Room and it's going to be featured on my
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  Speaker 5: show as well. And I'm really excited about that actually
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  Speaker 5: because he has such a different take on things than
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  Speaker 5: I do, and it makes for interesting conversation. So I'm
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  Speaker 5: really looking forward to that as well.
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  Speaker 6: That is awesome, nice, nice, and that's really cool. With
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  Speaker 6: the cults of conspiracy, I've been dealing with those guys
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  Speaker 6: for a few years now, and like every few months
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  Speaker 6: we'll get together and do something. I really do like
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  Speaker 6: those guys. I highly suggest to go check them out
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  Speaker 6: and I will. Me and Teresa are actually going to
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  Speaker 6: be covering a topic on their show Tuesday, so that's
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  Speaker 6: really yes, yes, covering the Saint Alamafia.
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  Speaker 5: Oh that's awesome.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, those guys are fun, the fun. They're
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  Speaker 6: fun to talk.
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  Speaker 5: Ship with with a crazy cult leader.
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  Speaker 6: No, but you know what, like I just even like
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  Speaker 6: sometimes they don't agree, goes great, it's all to explain. Yeah. Really,
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  Speaker 6: I really do like having those guys on because you.
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  Speaker 5: Can have people prefer that though. Yeah, nobody likes an
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  Speaker 5: echo chamber, and I think that's why people enjoy when
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  Speaker 5: Colby and I get together. Actually, I went on we
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  Speaker 5: went on the White Rabbit podcast the other night and
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  Speaker 5: he was saying how he listened to our series called
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  Speaker 5: blood Ties, and he said, you guys don't really agree
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  Speaker 5: on stuff and you'll just hash it out right there
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  Speaker 5: on the spot. And I think that's refreshing that people
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  Speaker 5: don't always agree on certain things. Makes you think harder
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  Speaker 5: about whether or not you have all the information you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, right, And different opinions actually don't hurt everybody, right
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  Speaker 3: mm hmm.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. And I mean even with the topic tonight, we're
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  Speaker 5: all probably gonna have different opinions at the end, and
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  Speaker 5: I'm actually going to ask you guys what you think
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  Speaker 5: at the end. But there are certain things that cannot
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  Speaker 5: be disputed, and then there are certain things that are
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  Speaker 5: up for debate, So we'll see at the end where
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  Speaker 5: you guys stand on everything. But I'm actually really excited
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  Speaker 5: to get into the topic today as well because it's
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  Speaker 5: something that I'm really passionate about.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I remember a long time ago when you told
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  Speaker 6: me you were even working.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been working on it for a couple of
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  Speaker 5: years now and just keep adding stuff to it.
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  Speaker 6: That's why I like when I saw that you're even
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  Speaker 6: doing it again, it reminded me of you telling me
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  Speaker 6: that you were getting into that. I mean this is
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  Speaker 6: probably going years ago. Mm hmm. I was like, oh shit,
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  Speaker 6: I gotta get off of that. I never actually super
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  Speaker 6: up the topic. That was one of the topics we
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  Speaker 6: never spoke about. Actually, yeah, no, it's.
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  Speaker 5: It's a big one, that's for sure. So I mean
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  Speaker 5: kind of like the last couple of times I've been
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  Speaker 5: on the Occult Rejects. If this spills over into two parts,
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  Speaker 5: you know, so be it. But I feel like it's
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  Speaker 5: you know, it's early enough in the afternoon, we might
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  Speaker 5: be able to squeeze it all into one, but we've
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  Speaker 5: been meeting so late at night the last couple of times.
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  Speaker 5: I've feel bad for you guys because I just keep
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  Speaker 5: going on and on and you guys like to it
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  Speaker 5: in the morning.
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  Speaker 6: Like hun up. No, I've been loving it, thank you.
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  Speaker 6: All right, So, uh, do you want to get in
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  Speaker 6: I mean just diving? Sure, yeah, have at it? Have yes?
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  Speaker 5: All right. Well, so we're gonna be talking about Marilyn
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  Speaker 5: Monroe on today's episode. And of course, you know, as
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  Speaker 5: I always say, I think all you need to do
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  Speaker 5: to sell a mainstream there if the people is have
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  Speaker 5: a documentary on either HBO or Netflix with some great
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  Speaker 5: visuals and some catchy background music, and you will one
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  Speaker 5: hundred percent fucking brainwash everyone into thinking that's the mainstream narrative.
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  Speaker 5: And there is no shortage of Maryland documentaries on either
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  Speaker 5: Netflix or HBO, and they all sell you the same thing.
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  Speaker 5: Marilyn was a severely depressed woman. She was promiscuous, she
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  Speaker 5: had a bunch of weird sexual affairs, and she got
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  Speaker 5: really depressed. She committed suicide. She overdosed on sedative drugs
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  Speaker 5: and she was found nude in her home in Hollywood,
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  Speaker 5: I believe, or some part of California, and she, you know,
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  Speaker 5: she did it to herself. And that's all that we
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  Speaker 5: need to know is she was fucked up, depressed, took
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  Speaker 5: a JA pills, killed herself. And they do a great
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  Speaker 5: job selling you that story. And they even have in
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  Speaker 5: one of the Netflix documentaries they interview a guy that
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  Speaker 5: was her psychiatrist. They interview his family. His name was
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  Speaker 5: doctor Green or something like that. It's in my notes
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  Speaker 5: and we'll get to it. But I mean, I don't
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  Speaker 5: know where you guys stand on it, but I've always thought,
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  Speaker 5: even as great of a sales job as they do,
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  Speaker 5: like there had to be more to this story, especially
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  Speaker 5: because of.
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  Speaker 6: Who she was.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you guys can jump in. What did you
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  Speaker 5: did you always think like, Okay, for sure she killed
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  Speaker 5: herself or did you always have questions?
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  Speaker 6: No? I always thought as a kid, I always thought
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  Speaker 6: like even Elvis Presley and her stories were always like.
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  Speaker 5: So, Lisa, what do you think?
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  Speaker 8: I always thought someone else killed her, always.
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  Speaker 5: Thought that, like, did you did you have any suspects.
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  Speaker 4: The Kennedys was one, for sure, or the CIA her
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  Speaker 4: handlers that maybe she I think when I I didn't know. Initially,
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  Speaker 4: when I first heard the story, I was like, no,
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  Speaker 4: she seemed too vain to have killed herself that way
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  Speaker 4: or just killed herself period. Plus I think that she
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  Speaker 4: probably initially is she probably was told some secrets that
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  Speaker 4: they didn't want people to know. That maybe she was
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  Speaker 4: privy to something. And then as time went on and
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  Speaker 4: I heard more, I thought, you know what, I think
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  Speaker 4: they killed her because she was going off script, back
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  Speaker 4: in a way that you know, was threatening to her
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  Speaker 4: what her job originally was, or that they were. She
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  Speaker 4: had become some kind of like I don't know, volatile.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they couldn't handle her anymore?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean headless. What did you think?
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  Speaker 3: I I grew up at a Christian home, so she
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  Speaker 3: was always the example of you know, this is what
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  Speaker 3: a decadent lifestyle will lead to. So it wasn't until
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  Speaker 3: much later that I was like, this doesn't make a
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  Speaker 3: lot of sense. She was connected to a lot of
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  Speaker 3: very powerful people, and all of a sudden, you know,
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  Speaker 3: having this great life and everything else, she decides to
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  Speaker 3: kill herself. That doesn't make a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 5: So she was kind of a cautionary tale in your household.
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  Speaker 5: That's kind of funny to me. But I mean, so
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  Speaker 5: there are a few things I want to get out
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  Speaker 5: right away, because I do believe that Marilyn Monroe, even
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  Speaker 5: the name the double m Marilyn Monroe, monarch, mind control,
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  Speaker 5: stuff like that, to me stands out. It does appear
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  Speaker 5: that she probably had multiple personalities. She was probably in
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  Speaker 5: some type of sex kit, and you know how they
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  Speaker 5: like to use beautiful, famous women in those type of roles,
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  Speaker 5: And she grew up in orphanages, so it wasn't like
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  Speaker 5: anybody gave a fuck what happened to her. They essentially
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  Speaker 5: created a cartoon character out of a real person. Her
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  Speaker 5: name was Norma Jeane, and they turned her into Marilyn Monroe.
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  Speaker 5: They literally bleached her hair, she got a nose job.
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  Speaker 5: They and so it was to me. I always look
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  Speaker 5: at if someone has multiple personality disorder or did whatever.
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  Speaker 5: They are usually the ones that start off as normal
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  Speaker 5: people and then abruptly have like a bleached hair moment.
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  Speaker 5: And if you look at it, Eminem bleached hair, Kanye
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  Speaker 5: went crazy, bleached his hair, Lady Gaga started off normal
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  Speaker 5: but then bleached her hair, and now I think she's
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  Speaker 5: a trans weirdo, which and so I mean, you just
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  Speaker 5: look at it, and it's like the bleaching of the
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  Speaker 5: hair is almost like the signal of all right, this
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  Speaker 5: person's undergone some fuck in programming, and now you know
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  Speaker 5: they have an alter identity. Yeah, because they bleach their
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  Speaker 5: hair and they literally go fucking nuts. And if you
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  Speaker 5: look at any celebrity, even like Lindsey Lohan, she was
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  Speaker 5: a ginger and she was so cute, she was on
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  Speaker 5: the Disney Channel, bleached her hair, started faking a British accent,
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  Speaker 5: and nobody fucking knows what's wrong with her now. And
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  Speaker 5: so I just think that that's something that you can
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  Speaker 5: look at as being odd, you know, like why do
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  Speaker 5: they suddenly bleach their hair and they can become a
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  Speaker 5: completely different person overnight, and I don't think Marilyn is
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  Speaker 5: you know, I don't think she is immune to that.
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  Speaker 5: I think she's like example, exhibit A of multiple personality disorder.
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  Speaker 5: And I think that, Oh yeah, go ahead, sure.
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  Speaker 3: So the movie The Long Kiss Good Night with Geena
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  Speaker 3: Davis is where you've got this MK ultra assassin played
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  Speaker 3: by Geena Davis who gets kicked in the head by
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  Speaker 3: a deer that she hits on the road, loses her memory,
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  Speaker 3: and then she comes back. The memory comes back and
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  Speaker 3: she starts to remember that she's an assassin. And what's
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  Speaker 3: the very first thing she does. She bleaches her hair.
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  Speaker 5: Oh dude, See, I'm telling you it's crazy. And it's
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  Speaker 5: not to say, like if somebody's got a bad breakup
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  Speaker 5: and they want to stick it to their fucking ex
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  Speaker 5: boyfriend and they don't bleach their hair like you have
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  Speaker 5: multiple personnelity. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about
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  Speaker 5: celebrities who you see go through a huge transformation almost
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  Speaker 5: overnight with the bleaching of the hair and like the
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  Speaker 5: complete identity switch. And she really pushed the blood diamonds.
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  Speaker 5: She was like this spokesperson for that. You know, diamonds
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  Speaker 5: are a girl's best friend. We got a comment, Hey,
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  Speaker 5: what's up? What's up? So, I mean, I think and
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  Speaker 5: Nick is probably gonna give you more information than I
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  Speaker 5: can about this. And I'm actually kind of glad we're
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  Speaker 5: covering this with him because I've found weird numbers surrounding
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  Speaker 5: her and I've always had an idea of what I
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  Speaker 5: think they mean. But Nick might be able to elaborate
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  Speaker 5: on this. But there's a lot of eights around Maryland, So,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I've always thought of the eight as like
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  Speaker 5: the snake eating its tail, the infinity symbol. And she
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  Speaker 5: did die on August fourth, sixty two and six and
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  Speaker 5: two is eight, so and then like I believe her
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  Speaker 5: address had some aids in it. And I mean, what
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  Speaker 5: do you think about that, Nick, because you probably know
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  Speaker 5: more about that shit.
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  Speaker 6: Than I do. It's just the eight. I mean, it's numerical.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I like it because of the magician. I
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  Speaker 6: think it does show like the continuation of psychic of
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  Speaker 6: like life and death shows unyoked eyes sense for me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it's a pretty deeply occulted in my opinion, shape or
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  Speaker 6: number or sigil the head. Did you want to add
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  Speaker 6: anything on that yourself?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of.
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  Speaker 3: Like so much soidey, right, Fives, eights and thirteen seems
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  Speaker 3: to be like the pattern breakers.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So for five, you know, you've got the perfection of
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  Speaker 3: the four being the four side stability, and then the
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  Speaker 3: fifth is like the pattern breaker, and then you've got
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  Speaker 3: the seven like the seven planets and all the rest
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  Speaker 3: of these holy sevens. And then the pattern breaker would
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  Speaker 3: be the eight, twelve, you know, twelve signs of the zodiac,
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  Speaker 3: all the rest of that stuff. In the teen you know,
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  Speaker 3: these are the ones that sort of stand out in
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  Speaker 3: numerology is being the pattern breaker.
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  Speaker 1: If you look at her role as.
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  Speaker 3: Being the you know, putting to bed all the nineteen
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  Speaker 3: fifties sort of value based systems, you know, kind of
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  Speaker 3: that cautionary tale again, she was the kind of pattern
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  Speaker 3: breaker in that whole nineteen fifties moral aesthetic.
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  Speaker 5: And I think, you know, I've talked to Sean mccannon
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  Speaker 5: about this a little bit too, and he has this
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  Speaker 5: whole octagon theory and the gosh, what is that thing
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  Speaker 5: that he's always talking about in Satanism? It's like a
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  Speaker 5: cube that keeps extruding from itself. What is that thing called?
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  Speaker 5: Do you know what I'm talking about. It's like a
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  Speaker 5: cube within a cube within a cube, and it just yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and it just keeps going out and it's like an
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  Speaker 5: eight sided and it just keeps expanding. And that's also
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  Speaker 5: why they use the octagon and like sporting stuff and
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  Speaker 5: the eight sided. It's just the tesseract. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, So,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I do believe that the eight is significant.
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  Speaker 5: I went on a Google search one day and I
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  Speaker 5: just googled, like major tragedies that happened in August and
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  Speaker 5: like a lot of fucking shit. It's like they specifically
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  Speaker 5: use August to conduct a lot of these fucking rituals
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  Speaker 5: and shit. And I don't find it at all coincidence.
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  Speaker 5: She died August fourth, in eight year sixty two. But
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  Speaker 5: so it just that stuck out to me. And without
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  Speaker 5: even getting into too much conspiracy theory stuff right off
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  Speaker 5: the bat, there is one more thing I want to
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  Speaker 5: mention though, before I get into like the like the
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  Speaker 5: autopsy findings. But you guys are familiar with Eyes Wide Shut, right, Yes, Okay,
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  Speaker 5: the little girl in Eyes White Shut. Her name is Helena,
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  Speaker 5: and she's supposed to be getting inducted in my opinion
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  Speaker 5: into this this monarch mind control, sex kit and fucking
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  Speaker 5: occult ring of women. And it pretty much shows you
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  Speaker 5: that at the end because when they're in the toy store,
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  Speaker 5: she gets led off by two weird guys at the
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  Speaker 5: end of the movie and yeah, Teresa, I fucking yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 5: I did a show with Teresa about the eights. What Teresa,
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  Speaker 5: why isn't your ass on here? Anyways, at the end
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  Speaker 5: of Ours Wide Shut, Helena gets let off by two
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  Speaker 5: guys and it's almost as if Alice the mom knows
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  Speaker 5: about this. Maybe Alice is a part of the program
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  Speaker 5: as well, and she's almost letting them take her daughter away.
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  Speaker 5: And in the toy store there's a weird scene where
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  Speaker 5: in the background there's a bunch of Barbies and the
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  Speaker 5: main focus on the barbie is this Marilyn Monroe barbie
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  Speaker 5: and it's headless. Do you know which barbie it is?
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  Speaker 5: I can't remember.
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  Speaker 6: It's like I remember one of them. I know the
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  Speaker 6: scene you're talking about, I just can't remember what barbie
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: that is.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: But it's a Marilyn Barbie. I can't remember what movie
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: it is, but it's it's a weird scene for showing
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: Helena walking down the toys toy store and there's two
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: guys that are following her and they're obviously gonna lead
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: her off and they it's almost like Stanley Kuber put
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: the shot of this Maryland barbie like right there, so
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: it's in your focal point. You do notice that, you
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: do see it there.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: You're supposed to see.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: It, Yeah, you're supposed to see it. And you know,
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: the the street that Marilyn lived on was Helena Drive.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: So I think it's significant that they put these things
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: in there to kind of link everything together.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: I think it's very important the name Helena too, because
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: even back to the one of the most widely you know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: read and understood mythologies goes back to the Iliad and
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: that was all sparked off by Helen of Troy. And
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: they even called everything having to do with the Greek
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: religion is Helenism, right, so this is like the ultimate
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: prize will also be also being like the ultimate you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: sort of downfall of man's right concept there, it's.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: Like the Greek goddess kind of weirdness to around Maryland,
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: around the eyes wide shut thing. It's all kind of
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: ritualistic and it almost reeks of like ancient religion almost
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: so without going too far into conspiracy, because I did
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: say this, I think to Lisa, but without even going
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: down the conspiracy theory road, I can prove that Marylyn
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: didn't kill herself just with scientific evidence. And so I mean,
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: if anybody walks away from this episode with a doubt
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: in their mind, I'd be fucking surprised, because I was
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: just absolutely appalled when I came across this shit in
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: a book and I was like, why don't more people
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: know about this? And I was like, oh, yeah, I know,
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: because they don't want you to know about this stuff.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: But so, her official cause of death was a cute
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: barbituate poisoning, and they said it was a suicide, but
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: the medical examer penciled in a word next to suicide
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: and he put probable, like he wrote that in himself.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: He took a pencil and literally wrote probable suicide. So
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: he wasn't even convinced that that's what really happened. But
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: they did say it was a self administered overdose of
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: sedative drugs. That's what they say. But what's weird is
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: there were absolutely no trace of tablets found in her
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: stomach at all period, no trace of tablets were found
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: in her stomach or her intestines. So she had enough
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: chloral hydrate and nimbutah in her system to legitimately kill
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: an elephant. They said she had sixty to seventy nimbutah
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: and nineteen to twenty chloral hydrate tablets the equivalent of
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: that in her system. But somehow when they crack her open,
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: there is absolutely no trace of tablets found in the
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: stomach or the intestine. So if that's true, and she
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: had taken sixty to seventy Nimbu tall pills and nineteen
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: to twenty chloral hydrate tablets, digestion stops at death, So
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: when they cracked her open, there should have been significant
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: evidence of undigested tablets in her stomach, because you die
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: before that shit actually has a chance to dissolve, you
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: die of an overdose fucking five pills in before. We're
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: talking sixty to seventy Nimbu tall tablets and nineteen to
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: twenty chloral hydrate tablets, but there was not a fucking
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: trace in stomach or her intestines.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: I'm problem following like she didn't really like to take
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: pills or something like that that I remember, dude.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: She was a known gagger. And that's right, gentlemen. There
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: is no perfect woman out there. Marilyn was a gagger.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: She fucking gagged she could, and you know what, we'll
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: get into it later, but she was a fucking gagging
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: ass bitch. And the thing is, I am not a gagger,
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: and I don't even see myself being able to swallow
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: sixty to seventy pills. Actually, it would have been more
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: than that, sixty to seventy of one type of pill
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: and then twenty of another, so uh, hello, who the
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: fuck is doing? You'd have to eat it like cereal.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: You'd have to pour them in a bowl and fucking
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: put milk and I'm like fucking cheerios and eat them
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: There's no way liquid of just trying to swallow all
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: those pills back to back.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: They said, tablets. You remember, because the iconic picture of
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: Marylyn with the pill bottle knocked over on the night Dad, Yes,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: I remember that. So yeah, they literally say that Marilyn
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: had to have swallowed pills because look, there's a tipped
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: over pill bottle on the night stand. There was something
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: else that was missing in her autopsy though, so if
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: digestion stops at death and there was no sign of
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: tablets in the stomach or the intestines, there's also another
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: problem is that she didn't have any refractive crystals in
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: her stomach or small intestine. And basically what refractive crystals
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: are is the active ingredient in any drugs. So once
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: the medication starts to dissolve, it produces refractive crystals and
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: they're very easily spotted in the stomach or the intestine,
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: so you can tell if somebody has taken pills. So
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: taking sixty to seventy of one type of medication in
• 25:55
  Speaker 5: twenty of another, you would have thought there would be
• 25:57
  Speaker 5: substantial residue in the stomach or the small intestine. And
• 26:02
  Speaker 5: actually Nimbu Tall is coated with a super thick yellow
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: dye and that was also not present anywhere in her body.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: So if she was to have taken seventy of those bitches,
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: her entire stomach and intestine would have been coated in
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: this yellow dye and that wasn't present as well. So
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: somebody come at me if they want to go ahead
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: and say Marylyn took some fucking pills, because where are
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: they is what I'd say.
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: Somebody even mentioned, I mean, there was a good chance
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: that we think you'd say, getting did they mention if
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: there she puked, vomited or anything like that.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: So I'm actually going to get into that, but I'll
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: tell you right now. The first officer on the scene,
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: his name was Sergeant Jack Clemens, and he noted when
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: he walked into Marylyn's bedroom that there was no regurgitated
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: material anywhere in the bedroom, bathroom, or near mary at all.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: So he had actually reported to many suicides, and he
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: knew because he had seen them several times that when
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: a person takes that many pills before they can even
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: all start to digest and kill the person, their body
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: goes in evacuation mode and it literally starts fucking spewing.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: Sometimes and going up as a way of your body
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: even saying like you're doing too much drugs, right.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Right, So imagine taking sixty to seventy nimbutohl in twenty which,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: by the way, chloral hydrate is date rate drug, or
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: it used to be a form of it. So I
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: don't know why you'd want to kill yourself in that way,
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: but flock that you know what I'm saying she took
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: twenty of those and there was no regurgitative material anywhere.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Wasn't it also at one point considered a hypnotic chlorohydrate.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so imagine wanting to kill yourself in that way,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: because then U tall the sleeping pill that wouldn't do
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: it for you. You had it on top of that
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: roofie yourself. I'll look at this. Chloral hydrate is a
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: mood stabilizer for sleep disorders. Well, I don't think she
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: actually this is a good point to bring up. She
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: did not have access to the drugs in the amount
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: that killed her because she was seeing a psychiatrist. They
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: were trying to wean her off. They said she had
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: a serious problem, and the prescription that she had wasn't
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: even in the amount of the the the levels that
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: she had in her system. So she maybe had a
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: prescription for let's say, like twenty sleeping pills and they
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: find sixty to seventy in her bloodstream, and then another
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: twenty of chloral hydrate, which she didn't even have a
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: prescription for. She had a prescription for nimbutohl maybe twenty tablets,
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: but not for chloral hydrate and not in the amounts
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: that were found in her bloodstream, and they were like, well,
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: she's Marilyn Monroe. She could have bought them from someone.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: She didn't have pills in her stomach, So how the
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: fuck did that level of drugs get into her bloodstream?
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: That's the main question. And if she didn't take pills,
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: because there's absolutely no evidence in her stomach or digestive
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: track that she did, how did they get in there?
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: And did Marilyn do it to herself? I fucking think
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: not because think of the entry points, right, did she
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: inject it? Well, they searched her whole body and there
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: was no injection site wound anywhere. They checked in between
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: her toes, in between her fingers, nothing there. So what
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: is the only other way you could get that amount
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: of drugs introduced that quickly into the body to basically
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: have that big of a payload. And that's where the
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: rest of the fucking autopsy report comes in, because she
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: had bruises on the backs of her legs and the
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: backs of her arm ms, and a big ass bruise
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: on one of her butt cheeks, and it looked like
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: she had been held down, like somebody had literally held
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: her arms and legs down and her colon was purple
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: and swollen and literally looked like it was turned inside out.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: And so yes to the comment earlier, they fucking boofed it.
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: I didn't think you're actually going to go there.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Yes, her her colon was so purple and swollen that
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: they made several notes about it in the audience, the gag,
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: the gagging. I don't know.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: If they did so here, because that would make sense, though,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: that would make sense because like you said, I think
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: and I looked it up really quickly, the nemetal it
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: within fifteen to thirty minutes taking an OD amount, you
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: start to OD within fifteen to thirty minutes. That is
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: not enough time to even digest any of the amount
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: of pills that they would give you. And again she
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: didn't have pills, say that they were pills. You would
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: still see leftover pills. But to get that amount of
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: dosage in that much of your bloodstream and quickly, there
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: would have to be a direct route to the bloodstream without.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: A doubt, right, and you would die before the levels
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: reached that far into your bloodstream with that oral overdose.
• 31:34
  Speaker 8: Correct.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: So we have to think if.
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: What I didn't know, how this could put up just so,
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: I was like, why are comments popping up?
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: Did you want to add something to that?
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: Oh?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: No, he was just riffing off of that, he said,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: no boof reflex.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, obviously, if things aren't adding up,
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: and they're and they're noting all these peculiarities, where's the investigation?
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: You know, you've got millions of fans out there and
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: they can't organize to find out what actually happened. I mean,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: are we that cut off from the system at large?
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: That's that's a real question, because it's not just hers,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: all the rest of these cases.
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: You know.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And I mean for me, when I heard
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: about her colon, and I know it's funny because it is.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: But the problem is is nobody likes to talk about
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: the bruises that she had on the backs of her legs,
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: in her arms. Nobody's if she killed herself, how the
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: fuck did she get those? And her colon was so
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: bruised and purple that it was obvious that that's the
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: entry point for this massive It was like, well, it's
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: such an overdose that she was dead within minutes, And
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: there's actually other parts of the autopsy report that fucking
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: support that theory too. But go ahead, Nick, what were
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: you gonna say?
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: I was wondering too. Listen, just stuff could have been
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: still stuck up there for you know, pills or whatever.
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: But again, was the level so high that even absorbed
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: all of that? Well, if it was to die before
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: you even get that high again, but did it, I
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: still wouldn't think it would be absorbed that way. I'm
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: still thinking it was a jab.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: With the corner and the medical examiner, they both agree, Well,
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: she would have had to have a liquid enema. And
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: so if you've ever seen the type of yes, it
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: was a liquid form because you want to introduce it
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: so fast into the body that it absorbs rapidly and kills.
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: The pricing almost instantly.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so what they what they the conclusion was based
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: on the autopsy is I don't know if you've ever
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: seen him, but there's two types of enemas. There's like
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: a bag and a hose, where like you fill a
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: bag up and you run a hose up your ass.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: And then there's another type of enema where it's almost
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: like a bulb and it has like the long hope,
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: like a long tube ont and you just scuired it
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: really fast and then it like flushes you and you
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: just go about your day. They decided, based on the
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: autopsy findings that it would have probably been one of
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: those bold type enemas that were they literally put it
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: in her ass, squeezed it, and she was dead almost
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: instantly because of the overload of They put it in
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: such a high concentration when they squirted it in there,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: she was probably dead within like a minute, maybe maybe
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: less than sixty seconds. And so the the other reason
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: they say that is because Marilyn had cyanosis, which is
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: something that you see when someone dies in a really
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: rapid way suffocation, drowning, massive overdose, Like if you shot
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: up and you died like right after you shot up,
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: you would have syinosis, and it's basically where you turned
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: blue from oxygen being cut off. So why would you
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: have that if you died a slow agonizing pill overdose,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: because it takes a long time. It's, like Lisa said,
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: maybe even thirty minutes for you to even start overdosing
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: on sedative drugs. And Marylyn showed signs of cynosis, which
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: means she died so rapidly that she literally turned blue,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: like if she got suffocated or drowned.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: It looks like hypothermia, like your finger does, all your
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: fingernails from blue, your extremities from blue. Sometimes even your
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: ears or whatever cut off, and so you start to
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: lose blood flow to these extremities and serve because you're
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: having pulmonary heart issues in order to circulate that oxygen
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: to these extremities.
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: So she has particular margin.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: Yes, she did. And so it's just like I was
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: saying before, when you die of a sedative drug overdose
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: by oral ingestion, there are several things you can look for,
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: vomiting pills, to digestive track, refractive crystals, and you usually
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: don't have huge bruises all over the back of your body,
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: and you don't have syinosis. So that with her colon
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: showing like literal signs of something being injected.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: In there, trauma something yes, And I mean this is
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: with the.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: Medical examiner, and his name was Thomas Negucci, and he
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: actually did like John Belushi's autopsy. He he's actually got
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: a lot of really famous people and done their autopsies.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: But the thing is he was so confused by them,
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: keeping on saying that she had to have died of
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: an overdose that he wanted to prove to everyone that
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: there's no way she could have, So he wanted all
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: of her organs retested, and he did the initial tests,
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: came up with this conclusion, wanted to prove it to everyone,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: so he said, Okay, we're going to retest all of
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: her organs. And then when they went to go do that,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: just so happens somebody had hallowed Maryland out and her
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: fucking organs went missing, so they couldn't even retest them.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: Somebody literally took all of her organs, put them in
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: a fucking bag and they disappeared, so they could never
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: be retested, and they only had the original autopsy report
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: from the medical examiner to go off of. Nobody could
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: retest them. Nobody could fucking literally, you guys, if that
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: doesn't reek to you of a setup, I don't know
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: what else to tell you. I mean, why on earth
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: would somebody's internal organs go missing overnight? And when she
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: got to the morgue, her fucking body apparently went missing
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: for a long amount of time and then she turned
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: back up and fucking I mean, they just they were
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: trying to hide so much stuff in such a short
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: duration of time, and then all of the original notes
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: and stuff from the medical examiner were put in a
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: file and they were sent to Washington, and nobody ever
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: saw that file again, and the only thing doctor Noguchi
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: had to go on was his original notes that he
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: wrote down for himself from her autopsy. The files they're
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: in Washington somewhere fucking buried because they don't want anybody
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: to see that shit. You know, bring conspiracy.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, it's a big brain conspiracy theorist.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: We should start a nationwide campaign of get to know
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: your medical examiners, right, because.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, it seems doable.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: And if we could take the bad medical examiners out
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: and actually have people we can trust in there, the
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: murder rate is just gonna drop dramatically right over there.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: Well yeah, yeah, the club murders.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: Isn't most of them like corners elected the medical examiners
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: are not or something like that.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: It depends on that can surprise me.
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you don't license to be a corner or something.
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: I can't remember what it was.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: When we were looking at best FK stuff that it
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: was very very intriguing how some of these corners can
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: be elected in or appointed in not elected appointed in.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: Well, I will say that doctor Nagucci, he's worked on
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: many famous people and it's not that they've discredited him.
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: They just bury him. So nobody really knows about it.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: So I mean, I'm I'm sure that you never even
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: heard that name before, and he's worked on some of
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: the most famous people of all time and done their autopsies.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: So it's not like they discredit him because he's not lying.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Doctor Sarah Weck yeah, uh, he's got something to do
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: with it too, but I can't remember. And actually Sarah
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: Weck worked on something to do with John Bennet too.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: So these medical examiners, it's not like people are discrediting them,
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: it's that they carry them in everything that they say.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: And you know, like with Marylyn, her fucking organs go missing.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: So it's not like anybody can even go back and
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: do their own tests and shit and come up with
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: isn't like that the scientific theory is to test it twice.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: They can't even do that because the shit goes missing.
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: So I do also want to talk about her lividity markings, which,
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: for those who don't know, lividity markings are when your
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: blood settles in your body after you die, So you
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: can tell a lot by the position someone was in
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: when they died based on the lividity markings, because if
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: you died on your back, all the blood will settle
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: to the back of your body and your head, and
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: it'll be really easy to analyze that and say, this
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: person died laying face up right. But if you move
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: a dead person a bunch of times, they'll get multiple
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: lividity markings because the blood will start to settle. You
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: flip them around, they'll get a secondary lividity marking. You
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: flip them around again, they'll get what's called the tertiary
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: lividity marking. So when the when Sergeant Clemens arrived on
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: the scene, they said that Marilyn had not been moved
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: at all, that that's how they found her, that's how
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: she died, and no questions asked. This is this is
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: how they find her. And she she's laying in what's
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: called the soldier's position, which is face down with her
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: arms and her legs straight down by her sides, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: they say that she wasn't moved at all after she died,
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: and that she just took a bunch of pills and
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: just laid there with her head hanging off the bed
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: and died. But she had not only secondary lividity markings,
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: she had tertiary lividity markings, which means she had been
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: flipped three times after she died, and with the bruises
• 42:04
  Speaker 5: that she had on her body, it would appear based
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: on forensic evidence. This is not my opinion, that she
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: died in a face down position being held down, which
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: caused the bruises, and then she was flipped over onto
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: her back face up for a considerable period of time,
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: which caused secondary marketings. And then she was flipped over
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: again in the face down death position and left there
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: until the police arrived. So she was on one two,
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: three times flipped after death. And again I don't know
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: a lot of dead people who get the fuck up
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: and start flipping themselves around. But explain to me how
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: if she committed suicide she was able to, fucking as
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: a dead corpse flip herself around three or four times
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: and then you know, get in the face down soldier's
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: position before the cops arrived. It doesn't make any sense.
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: I think left didn't shoot herself in the back of
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: the head.
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: I was going to say that the face down position
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: agrees with the enema theory.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: Yes, it did. And it also makes sense if she
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: died in a face down position of a sedative drug overdose,
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: why she wouldn't have vomited and why there would be
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: no regurgitated material anywhere near her body. If she died
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: in a face down position with her head hanging off
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: the bed, now something else on.
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: Her back, I would think puking would even be more
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: of a reason for death.
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: Well, and there there's no puke, and there's no evidence
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: that you can actually.
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: If you swallowed it right.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: And actually the medical examiner said her stomach was empty
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: and that she hadn't even eaten that day, and that
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: she had drank some water. But that's it. That, in
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: my opinion, makes me think she was highly stressed out.
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Because I don't know about any of you ladies out there,
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: but if I'm in a highly stressful situation, the last
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: thing I'm worried about doing is eating. And like all day,
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: supposedly she was having arguments with Robert F. Kennedy, that
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: he showed up at the house first thing in the morning,
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: that he was slamming shit around, slamming doors, screaming. The
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: housekeeper and the neighbors confirmed it, and it's like she
• 44:29
  Speaker 5: hadn't even eaten that day. She was calling her friend
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: and saying she was stressed out, like she had a
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: lot of stuff going on, and for there not to
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: be any vomit or any food in her stomach or
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: anything like this, it just suggested to me like she
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: was already stressed out, there was a lot of shit
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: going on. She definitely didn't take pills well.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: To me, the lividity marks being secondary and tertiary indicates
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: to me that the body was being moved. So she
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: might have not have even died in that house. They
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: just placed her there afterwards.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know if she did die in the house,
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: if I'm being honest with you. And this is where
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: it starts to get really weird, because they've the housekeeper
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: supposedly this is a story. The housekeeper finds Marilyn or no,
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: she doesn't, okay. The housekeeper says she woke up around
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: midnight and she saw that the light was still on
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: in Marylyn's room, knocked on the door, tried the handle,
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: and she couldn't get in. She thought Marilyn had locked
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: herself in her bedroom and was having like some kind
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: of an anxiety attack because she wouldn't answer the door,
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: so the housekeeper supposedly called her psychiatrist to come over
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: to the house. The psychiatrist couldn't open the door, so
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: he went around the front of the house, busted in
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: the window, crawled through Marylyn's bedroom window, found her dead,
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: unlocked the bedroom door for the housekeeper to come in,
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: and then they took four hours to call the cops,
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: and to me time called Marylyn's publicist, her primary care physician,
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: a bunch of like weird Hollywood agents, and then called
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: the cops four hours later. Okay, so when Sergeant Clemens
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: arrives to the scene, they've already known Marylyn's been dead
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: for four fucking hours. And the housekeeper when he gets
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: to the house is doing laundry and he's like, what
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: have you guys been doing for the last four to
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: five hours that you didn't call the cops and you
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: couldn't inform someone that Marilyn was dead. And she was like, well,
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: I've been doing laundry. Who the fuck are you doing
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: laundry for when your employer is fucking dead as shit
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: in the next room, Like I'm pretty sure Marylyn doesn't
• 46:47
  Speaker 5: need her whites fucking washed and cleaned ready for Sunday.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: She's dead, okay, so who are you doing laundry for.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Laundry? Yeah?
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: It's like she hated Marylyn too. She always told everybody
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: what a dick she was, So why in the event
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: of her death are you still continuing to do her
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: laundry for four hours? And then the sergeant is looking
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: around and he says, why is the bedroom window broken?
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: And the psychiatrist gives him the story. He's like, well,
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: I was called to the house and the door was locked,
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: so I had to go around the front of the
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: house and bust open the window to get inside the house.
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: And he was like, oh, that's weird. Why is all
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: the glass on the outside of the house then, and
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: not on the inside in the bedroom.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: That's four hours of tampering with the with the scene
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: of the crime.
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: You know, right, And think about it. If you were
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: outside of the house and you busted the window in
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: and then climbed through it to get to Marylyn, why
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: is all the glass in the grass outside and not
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: on the inside in the bedroom where the fuck it
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: should be? If you broke into the window. There's no
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: glass in the bedroom, all the glasses on the fucking
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: out side of the house, which is consistent with what
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: somebody breaking the window from inside of the bedroom, So
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: that part of the story doesn't fucking add up. And
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: then he goes, all right, you busted in this window
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: to get to Maryland. Did you do CPR? Did you Nope?
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: I didn't touch the body. Nobody touched the body. You're
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: a psychiatrist, you're a medical professional. You just busted in
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: a window to check on Maryland, who you don't even
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: know is dead yet. But you didn't bother to roll
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: or over. You didn't bother to administer CPR. You didn't
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: bother to check if she was dead. You just assumed
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: so and fucking spent four hours sitting around the house
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: before you call the police. It doesn't make sense. Anybody
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: knows if you stumble upon a person that looks like
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: they're in any type of distress, you check and see
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: if they're breathing, and you administer CPR. Any medical professional,
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: no that, But he's gonna bust through a window to
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: get to her and not even bother to check her.
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: Polls didn't touch her at all. Didn't do CPR nothing,
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: she's dead fucker and just sat around the house for
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: four hours calling her fucking publicist before they they informed
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: the police. Does that make sense?
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Somebody had to perfectly place that pill bottle over on
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: its side next to the bed, you know, I.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Mean that was a big job.
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: Well, that's part of the next fucked up part of
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: the story is Sergeant Clemens says, Okay, there's a knocked
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: over pill bottle on the side of the bed. You're
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: as the psychiatrist trying to tell me that she overdosed
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: on pills. That's fine, he said, If that's true, why oh,
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: why is there no drinking glass next to the pills.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: So he starts looking, The sergeant starts looking around, and
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: the psychiatrist starts looking around, and at that point her
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: primary care providership for whatever, for the fuck reason, and
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: all three of them are looking around the bedroom, the bathroom,
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: the rest of the house for a supposed drinking glass
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: that she could have used to take these pills. Not
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: only did they not find a drinking glass, they also
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: found out that the water had been cut off to
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: Marylyn's house because she was in the middle of renovations
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: and it made it even less likely that she used
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: water out of a tap or any type of And
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: so if the water is cut off from Maryland's house,
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: and there's no drinking glass anywhere, there's no juice on
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: the table, there's nothing, there's no glass anywhere. How did
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: Marylyn swallow sixty to seventy ninbutah and nineteen to twenty
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: chloral hydrate tap? She dry swallowed him? Apparently that was
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: their theory.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Jeez, I mean, you got all this stuff up, and
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: then you got to work backwards, you know, because at
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: this point you're never gonna get any answers as.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: To the death.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: But to get the team in place that could do
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: that sort of thing, I mean, even though it's kind
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: of an amateurish job, they still did a better job
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: than most of the assassination crews back in the nineteen
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: sixties who just left tons and tons of evidence, you know.
• 51:13
  Speaker 5: I at the point, it did a little bit better
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: of a cleanup job with Maryland, but it still wasn't impeccable.
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: Because the police sergeant steps away to talk to the housekeeper,
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: asks her some questions, and when he gets back to
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: her room right before the press shows up, and all
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: the pictures are taken of Maryland found in the nude
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: That was the headline, Marylyn found in the nude, pill
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: bottle knocked over, there goes a fucking water glass right
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: next to her nightstand, So who the fuck put that there?
• 51:42
  Speaker 5: It's in his notes. There was no drinking glass of
• 51:45
  Speaker 5: any kind. They looked through the whole fucking house for
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: one and couldn't find it. But right before the people
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: show up to start taking pictures, there goes a fucking
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: glass of water right next to the bed. So they're
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: literally planting evidence in the face of the police officers.
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: They don't like, no fucks given kind of shit. And
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: if she were to have taken as her autopsy report shows,
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: sixty to seventy nibutah, there wouldn't have been any pills
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: on the night stand to be knocked over. The bottle
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: would have been empty. She would have, I mean, to
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: have the levels that she had in her body. There
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: would have been no pills left in the bottle for
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: this fucking whatever this this photo op, I mean, they
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: did it literally just to make things look sensationalized, like
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: look at these pills knocked over, and there goes a
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: water glass that wasn't there five minutes ago, And I
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: mean it just it does not make sense at all
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: that she would have died of a sedative drug overdose.
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: And this guy sat Sergeant Jack Clemens, has tried to
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: speak out multiple times. You can find him on YouTube.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of videos of him talking about the
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: crime scene. And you know, he's buried and he wasn't
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: even asked to testify at the trial, so they they've
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: done a great job. The housekeeper's quarters were separate from
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: Maryland's house three, so they were it was like a
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: guest cottage with a washer and dryer in it. The
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: main house had the water cut off, but the housekeeper's
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: uh uh, I guess it was like a guest cottage
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: where she did laundry and shit and she lived. But
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: also that that's an interesting thing to bring up because
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: after the housekeeper was interviewed, she fucked off to Europe
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: for like four or five years and wasn't able to
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: testify or be questioned either because her story didn't make
• 53:51
  Speaker 5: any fucking sense.
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: And the housekeeper have enough money to fuck up in.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: Europe, right. Well, that's another great point, because you know
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: she was questioned her story didn't make sense. And then
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: she fucks off to Europe.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: And then.
• 54:08
  Speaker 5: The night that Maryland died, this guest cottage that I'm
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: talking about, and some of Maryland's personal items were broken
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: into and stolen. Like in the guest cottage, there was
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: a cabinet, a locked cabinet with Maryland's personal journals, and
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: the night that she died it was forcibly broken into
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: and all the journals were stolen. Why, oh why, if
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: you're going to commit suicide, use break into your own
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: journal cabinet, steal all of your own journals, hide them somewhere,
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: roll yourself around a few times after you die, clean
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: up your vomit apparently too, as a corpse, and then
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: you know it. Just the amount of stuff that was
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: found at the crime scene absolutely cannot be consistent with
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: Marylyn just being a depressed asshole who wanted to kill herself.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: It just doesn't add up. And I don't even have
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: to go conspiratorial to make this not add up. I'm
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: just telling you the literal forensic evidence that makes this
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: not add up. And I don't know if you guys
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: are into like forensic files or any of the detective
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: shows or anything like that, but they always say the
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: same thing in those shows, and they say, you cannot
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: start off an investigation with a subject in your mind
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: and try to make evidence fit that subject because that's
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: who you want it to be. You have to go
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: into an investigation and let the forensic evidence tell the
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: story and then you form your suspect list based off
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: of that evidence. And so if we're gonna do that
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: in the case of Maryland, suicide is already ruled off.
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: So who do we have left that kilder because the
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: evidence would suggest this is a homicide. So we have
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: the CIA, Maryland's involved in all kinds of weird fucking programs.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: We have the Kennedys, and we also have the Mafia.
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: Because the Mafia and the Kennedys had Maryland's phones tapped.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: They had that she was literally double tapped in more
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: ways than one, I'm sure. But they were running train
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: on Maryland, the Mafia and the Kennedys, tapping her phones,
• 56:28
  Speaker 5: following her everywhere and they were keeping up on her
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: fucking whereabouts and stuff that she was saying. So, uh,
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: that is gonna be my suspect list. I don't know
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: if you guys have your own theories on that, but
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna go Kennedy's CIA mafia.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Or oh, go ahead on the CIA tip.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: What you're saying about her journals really reminds me a
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: lot of James Jesus Angleton hunt for these journals of
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Mary Pincho Meyer.
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: Right, and he uh with the Kennedy's.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so he was he was hunting for these journals
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: that she she had basically taken from the entire early
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: part of the nineteen sixties, and basically he lost his
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: whole mind looking for these things. He was seeing moles everywhere,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: and uh, this is why we have the Oracle Corporation today,
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: is because they wanted to get all of the information
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: about the OSS and CIA Adam's head onto a spreadsheet
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: before you know, he completely lost his mind and died.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: But yeah, he was looking really, really hard. And this
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: went back to Watergate as well as many other things.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: That was the only thing stolen in Watergate was Mary
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Pinchow Meyer's journals and so for for Marilyn Monroe's journals
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: to go missing in a locked cabinet, it seems.
• 57:50
  Speaker 5: Like and what are the coincidence that JFK was fucking
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: both Mary Pincho Meyer and Maryland like he was fucking
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: boom and both of them ended up with stolen journals
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: and fucking But here's the thing, because the mafia was
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: running train on Maryland too. The Mafia was severely pissed
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: the fuck off at the Kennedys because they got stabbed
• 58:15
  Speaker 5: in the back by the Kennedys after they helped them
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: get into office. So they had a fucking bone to
• 58:21
  Speaker 5: pick with the Kennedys, And so they could have framed
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: the Kennedys because they were so openly in a relationship.
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: Both Bobby and John F. Kennedy were openly in a
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: relationship with Marylyn. Everybody fucking knew about it. So it
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: would almost make sense that the Mafia would kill her
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: and then frame the Kennedys to make it look like
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: it was them because they hated them so much. And
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: also there were a lot of other mafia related deaths
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: in and around that time, death by massive overdose via
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: innima bulb. That was like one of their favorite fucking
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: things to do that you know they that almost is
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: is untraceable. You just find a dead person and there's
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: no gunshot, no stab, no nothing, and you administer it
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: up their ass and it's just they're dead instantly and
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: you just go on about your date. That was like
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: a weapon of choice, if you will, for the mafia,
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: So for me, and Robert Kennedy was there that morning
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: at Marylyn's house. Her neighbors even said that they saw him.
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: And then she dies that night. Maybe they set it
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: up to make it look like it was the Kennedy's,
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: but it really wasn't. But another thing that's weird is
• 59:38
  Speaker 5: the CIA plays a big part to do with the
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: cleanup because after Maryland dies, who the fuck sends the
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: cleanup crew over there? J Edgar Hoover, Why the fuck
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: is j Edgar Hoover getting involved in Marilyn Monroe's so
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: called suicide, Like, if it's just a suicide and it's
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: just dry like that, if it had nothing to do
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: with the Kennedys or anyone else, why is j Edgar
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 5: Hoover getting involved with the cleanup crew? Your thoughts?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: Sure, right it was a matter of national security to
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: clean up that and take the journals because of her
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: time with the Kennedy's, that it would compromise any information
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: that was said. Let's just go with blandness right, that
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: it would compromise anything any kind of conversations that was
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: said between Marylyn and the Kennedy boys.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 8: That would be way Jay.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: Edgar, who are but I mean Jaeger who plays a
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: lot of parts in a lot of these murders out
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: of Hollywood.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 8: And I think, not to interrupt you, Headless, but like.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: What Tara had said in the chat, and I was
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: going to bring that up to and I think you've
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: mentioned this in a previous show. She had clearance Lookout Mountain. Oh, yes,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: she did, appearents to some of the highest types of places.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually mentioned that. And we are scheduled to
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: do this episode. I hope you're on it, Lisa, and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: Headless you too. But we're gonna do Colby and I
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: are gonna do Laurel Canyon. I think maybe next week,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: isn't it. But the Lookout Mountain Laboratory is a big
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: part of the Laurel Canyon scene and only the highest
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: of the highest, the Tippity Toppers had clearance to get
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: into this place. So John F. Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, somehow
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: fucking Frank Sinatra with his mafia ass like a lot
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: of these guys had top secret clearance to get into
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 5: this Lookout Mountain laboratory. So don't think like I said
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: at the beginning of this episode that Marylyn didn't have
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: a connection with some of these programs, because she definitely
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: was involved in them. I think she was working as
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: like a sex kitten in some type of capacity, gathering information.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: Then she might have not even been aware of her
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: role in everything, like she might've not even been aware
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: of her all to personality, but she was definitely serving
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: a purpose. And some people say that the birthday party
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: close to the end of her life was what did
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 5: it for the Nail and the coffin, because she was
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 5: not supposed to be at JFK's birthday party. She was
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: actually uninvited. They said, don't fucking show up, nobody wants
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: you here. And what does she do. She shows up
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 5: anyways in a see through nude dress and sings Happy Birthday.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: She was like, not only am I showing up, I'm
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: gonna be the main attraction. And she literally sung Happy
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: Birthday to the President in front of Jackie in a
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: nude see through dress. And then she danced with Bobby
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: and John F. Kennedy all night and all the pictures
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: that were taken. The photographers were staying in a hotel
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: and the CIA pounded on all their doors that night
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: and confiscated all of their cameras and all of their
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: fucking photographs that they had taken and said, don't fucking
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 5: publish anything about the Kennedys and Marilyn Monroe. And then
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: like a couple months later, she turns up dead. But
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: I still don't think that rules out the mafia or
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: the CIA being in the driver's seat when it came
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: to her death. I just I'd love to say it
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: was the Kennedy's. I don't know if they had that
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: type of fucking authority, you know, I think there were
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: people working above them that got to make those calls. Well,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of ways you could.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: You could go back to Peter Thiel's boyfriend that showed
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: up at his birthday party uninvited, and then he falls
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: off of a balcony a couple of days later, so
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: you've got that angle too. But I think, really, if
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: you're gonna get down to it, when Jaegar Hoover's in
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: there looking for whatever he could find to clean up
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: this this whole situation, you could say that he's got
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: a long history of collecting compromont on a lot of people.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: And you see that with you know, going after what's
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: his name, MLK and other people, is like he has
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: to collect the compromont. So even as a target of opportunity,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: you really get the idea that this is part of
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: what the FBI does, is they collect compromising information and
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: they have no jurisdiction.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 8: I mean there was.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: According to everybody who you know reported.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: On the crime, there was no crime committed.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: This was just a pure So there's absolutely no reason
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: jurisdictionally for them to even be there for them to
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: do the cleanup.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: It should be well, I mean that should have been
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: on the priorities list too, Like what did the uh, you.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: Know FBI steal from Marilyn Monroe's house? You know where
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: was that declassified? I guess we didn't get that declassification.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: Maybe that hurts too many people today, but I mean
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: it's all tied into the same thing. And really is
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: there a difference from the CIA to the MOB considering
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: Operation Underworld was basically the marriage of the MOB and
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: the CIA.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: I mean or OSS.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: At the time, you know Operation Underworld, it said we're
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: gonna let these mobsters continue their racket on these ports,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: and we're just gonna supervise them because they're the best
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: ones to be able to stop any kind of foreign interference.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: Well when did that ever stop? I don't think that
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: Operation Underworld ever quit.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: Right, And that's why I say that her death specifically
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: cannot be debated at all. Was not a suicide based
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: on forensic evidence. But who did it? That's the conspiratorial part,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: because I mean, sure we could say it's one of three,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: one of four different agencies that could have been working
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: in fucking cahoots together to clean this up and to
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: do it. But that is the conspiratorial part of it,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: because I can tell you, based on forensic evidence that
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: she didn't kill herself, but I can't tell you who
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: did it. And you know, they did find a phone
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 5: number for the Oval office that was scribbled on a
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: piece of paper and balled up in Marilyn's bed that
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: was entered into evidence. They they did find that. I
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: can tell you that there were phone calls that Marilyn
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 5: made that night that would also suggest that she did
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: not have any drugs in her system, because she actually
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: made a phone call to one of her friends, maybe
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 5: fifteen minutes before the time of death, and her friends
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: she did not have slurred speech, She was in a
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: complete normal frame of mind. She was talking about some
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: projects she was working on that she was really excited
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 5: about the future, and said that her psychiatrist had been
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: weaning her off her sleeping pills and asked if her
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: friend had it and if she did, could she bring
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: some over because she was having a hard time going
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: to sleep. So if she had already taken sixty to seventy, nimbutoh,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: why would she be calling her friend fifteen minutes before
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 5: the time of her death in a completely normal frame
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: of mind, without slurred speech or any indication that she
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: had just taken seventy sleeping pills and asking her friend
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: for more sleeping pills. It doesn't make sense at all.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: She also, right after that phone call, made a phone
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: call to her hairstylist and confirmed her hair appointment for
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: the next morning. So tell me why, fifteen minutes before
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: you're fucking dead, you're calling your hairstylist to confirm your
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: hair appointment for the next morning, like that would be
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: on your fucking priority list of things to do. None
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: of this makes sense whatsoever. And you know, in my opinion,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: the way that they sprawl out with her head hanging
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 5: off the bed and completely nude, just barely covered with
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: a sheet, in my opinion, is a humiliation ritual for
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: Marylyn because she had no makeup on, her hair, looked
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: like dogshit, she was completely naked. You know, they did
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: all this stuff to ch have bruises all over her body,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: and that's the photo that they put as the headline.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: Marilyn found in the nude And for me, it's a
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 5: humiliation ritual for Marylyn because no one, I don't care
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: who you are, whether you're vain or not, wants that
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 5: to be the last image that everyone sees of you,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: especially for a sex icon like Marylyn, and it's it's dehumanizing.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: And also for someone like Marilyn who was, like I said,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: like a sex icon, and she was a very dramatic
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: person and she was the life of the party, and
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: you know she's in movies, you name it whatever.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: She was a.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: Avid journaler. She that's why they had to break into
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: that cabinet and steal all of her journals. For someone
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: like this, why is there no suicide note it? That
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: doesn't make sense to me. If you take someone with
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: the personality like Marilyn who is literally obsessed with herself,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: there's no suicide note. Really, that just it just doesn't
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: make sense to me. Whatsop not even like a scribble
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: of something something iconic. I mean, you're Marilyn Monroe and
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: you're gonna kill yourself, you don't leave a suicide note.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 5: It just that part always bothered me. I don't care
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: how depressed you are. At least if you're as famous
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: as Marilyn Monroe, you might think she would have scribbled
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: some shit down somewhere as a suicide note.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure you can let her be found the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: way she was.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: I don't think so either. I don't think she would
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: have wanted to be found with no makeup on, completely
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: nude like that. I just still I just I'm not
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: buying it.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: It's kind of almost like a mindful like his his
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 6: his the image is sex the less time, you're the
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: last image you're going to have of this woman. Now
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 6: it's fucked up.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 8: Yes, that's why I think so.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: The fact that so this is a textbook psychology. Want
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: to want women take pills to commit suicide because women
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: are more vain in essence, right, They don't want, you know,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: their head blown off and then that be the last
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 4: thing you remember them. They actually want to look beautiful
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: in their casket, even through death.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: They want to have that.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 4: And so if Carlin, lets just say, took pills because
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: she wanted to commit suicide, and that would be because
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: she was vain, then she would have gotten dolled up
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: and taken the pills. And you know, even in an
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: negligee or something like that, been found that way or
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: so to speak. Right, The other thing is that the
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: fact that she was face down and naked does not
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: agree with the whole vain aspect of it, but it
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: agrees with someone that's pissed off at her, that wants
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: for her entire image and for her whole, for an infinitum,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: to be forever ruined. And to me, and you had
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: mentioned this on a previous show, that the fact that
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: she showed up at the at John F. Kennedy's birthday
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: party wearing what she wore and demanding to be you know,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: allowed in, and to even have the balls to even
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: go and see means that she had that level of
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: comfort with the Kennedys. She knew she wasn't going to
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: be booed off stage.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 8: She knew that Kennedy.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: Wasn't going to escort her off or anything like that.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: She had she knew in her mind she had that
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: way with them that she could get away with it.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: But the one thing that I think that doesn't ever
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: get I guess talked about enough, but you mentioned it
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: was what was Jacqueline thinking at this time, see what's happening.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 4: She was humiliated. She had to have been humiliated, if
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 4: not Robert F. Kennedy's wife had to have been humiliated,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: and for Marylynd to be found that way would have
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: been humiliating for Marylynd. And so to me, it's all worned.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: She had the balls to show up because she was scorned.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: She was probably pissed off that whatever had happened had
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: happened and she was going to make a scene, and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: a scene she did make. But then in reverse, I
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: think that somebody had, you know, took her out in
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: the worst way possible.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: I think so too, And that's why I can never
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 5: say for sure who I think is responsible for it.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 5: Because if we can all agree in this podcast that
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: it was a homicide, then the only thing left to
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: do after that is to look at your suspect list.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: I think Jackie is definitely on there. I think all
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: the Kennedys are definitely on there. I think that Mafia
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: is definitely on there. I think, you know, the CIA
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: is definitely on there. And what reeks to me of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: this being almost kind of methodical and planned out is
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: like original autopsy report, missing original police report, missing official
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: medical reports, missing internal organs, missing journals, broken into and stolen,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: all the tapped phone calls, all those are recorded, but missing.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, this is coming from from on high somewhere
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: and could have been the Kennedys. Maybe Jackie was just
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: like one flew over the cuckoo's nest after that and
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: was like, you gotta do fucking something or I'm gonna
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: start talking. I don't know, but I mean, it's just to.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: Me, wasn't.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: That.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 8: So My whole thing with that is that.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: The fact that Jackie knew of her husband being you know,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: sexually active in the community is that and she really
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: didn't have a problem with it. And at that point
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: in time, most women kind of turned a blind eye,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: but to be that public was interesting, and she did
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: have the ear of Lyndon B.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: Johnson, Linda B.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: Johnson was very Jacqueline Kennedy, and I believe so was
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: some other higher ups, and so I wonder if maybe
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: it was conveniently placed that way. I mean, I'm not
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: trying to peg Jackie as the person, but she knew
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: of the affairs that she definitely very was well aware
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: of it, but not not to be embarrassed in front
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: of everyone at the party like that.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: I don't see it going.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: Well.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: There's the angle too, of trying to frame the Kennedy's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: as being responsible for her death, because you know, she's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: got this nuts walled up in her inner bed, and
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: then you know, none of this stuff makes sense.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: And maybe they ordered her to.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: Show up at the birthday party wearing that dress to
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: make it really look like maybe somebody within the Kennedy
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: camp decided to take action. And I think that that's
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: a little bit more plausible. But at the same time,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: you know, you basically asked for it. You know, the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: people who are ordering you around going to these parties
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: and screwing up people's lives, is it's going to screw
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: up your life too. You know, there's really nothing you
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: can get away with that you won't pay for.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think, you know, if we're even going
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 5: to talk about Lyndon Johnson and like what ended up
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: having it happening to JFK, that it was JFK's assassination
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: did not there was not a long period of time
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 5: in between Marylyn and JFK. So the only problem I
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: have with the Kennedy theory that they wanted him dead too.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: And JFK did die after Marylyn and he you know,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: Lyndon Johnson, if we want to go with he could
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: have had to play a part in Maryland, and he
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: definitely played a part in what happened with JFK. He's
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: a notorious murderer. I've actually covered him in a separate episode.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: He hired hitman. One of them's name was Mac something
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: or other. I can't remember his last name, but he
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: hired this guy. Lyndon B. Johnson hired this hit man.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 5: His name was Mac Wallace, I believe, to go take
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: out this guy who had uncovered a bunch of money
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: laundering stuff with Lyndon Johnson. And they ruled this guy's
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: death a suicide even though he had supposedly blasted himself
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 5: in the chest five times with a shotgun and then
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: gave him put cyanide on a washrag and covered his
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: face with it. They still ruled it a suicide, Like,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: how on the fucking planet do you load a shotgun
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: and blast your own chest out five times and then
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: go the extra mile of cyanide poisoning and they still
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: ruled it a suicide. That's Linda B. Johnson. Everyone that
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: is Lyndon B. Johnson. So and his wife's a fucking asshole.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: She was fucking taking pictures with John Wayne Gacy and shit.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: So I mean, they are all corrupt, ass fucking holes,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: ass fucking holes. And that's why I just you know,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: looking at Marylyn Stath or any of this shit. And
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: I do mention the connection with eyes Wide Shut because
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: I think that Stanley puts clues about shit into all
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: of his movies.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: I was gonna I look that up because you were
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: talking about how there was that barbie that Helena was.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: I think so the barbie itself was the box sugarplum
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: airy barbie doll, and it was the opening scene of
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: The Nutcracker, and the the dress that the barbie doll
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: was wearing was a nod to the same dress that
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: Marilyn Monroe and Jane Russell wore, or I'm sorry, the
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: one that Marilyn Monroe wore in Gentlemen, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. That's what it was.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 8: So it was a nod to Marilyn Monroe and the just.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: Think of the title Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. And just like
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: I said at the beginning of this fucking episode, I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: think the bleached hair is a uh it's like a
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: dog collar that you wear, and it signals that this
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: person it has an altar or they're in some type
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: of a program. And what really bothers me is that
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: Maryland psychiatrist his name was doctor greens and I remember, okay,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 5: and this doctor Greenson's family went on the Netflix documentary
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: and said, my father loved his patience. He would never
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: cover anything up like this, he would never be involved
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: in something like this. And it's like, listen, I don't
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: give a fuck what doctor green Bean has to fucking
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: say about this shit, because he's one hundred per All
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: you have to do is flash a dollar amount in
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: front of someone, and everybody has a price tag. I
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: don't care how great your conscience is, and how much
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: you love your patience and shit like that. If you
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: were talking about Marilyn Monroe. Here, what dollars signed do
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: I have to flash in front of you to make
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: you go along with this story? Because thank you, by
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: the way, I think this shit is important and if
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: I can get people on board with this, it's a
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: lot easier when we're talking about things that continue to happen.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: This is all staged. It's all a fucking setup, and
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: it's some of it is sloppy, and they don't even
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: try very hard. And it took me five minutes in
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: a Google search to find some of this stuff. But
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: you're never going to get that in a Netflix or
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: HBO documentary. You know, you're never going to get this
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: shit in a mainstream documentary.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: Right when you put it in context with things like
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: the Epstein happening, it starts to make sense why they
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: would want her to show up at this guy's birthday party,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: because now you've got compromant on him in front of
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: the entire world saying look, they're together right here at
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: his birthday party and everything, So you know that could
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: be the intimidation tactic that they were using against JFK
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: before they went the extra mile and put the extra
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 3: hole in his head. You know, So that's you know,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: that's that's kind of the thing. You have to use
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: these people around the guys for methods of control. And
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: maybe she didn't want to play the game anymore and
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: that was the problem, and that's why they had to
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: take her out, is because you can't have people not
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: want to play your game if your game involves, you.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Know, the ruler of the free world.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: Well, and I also think, like Marilyn, it's like I
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: kind of said earlier, she was very full of herself,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: and I think she was overly confident that, oh, well,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: you can't kill me. I'm Marilyn Monroe. And I think
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: she did start getting a little obvious there towards the end,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: with her infatuation with the Kennedy's, with her showing up
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: at the birthday party. It was almost like she was flaunting,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: look what I can get away with. And you know,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: as the saying goes, she fucked around and found out
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: which she could get away with. And you know, she
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: had relationships with known mobsters. She had relationships with Sam
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: g and Conna. She had relationships with Frank Sinatra. She
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: even had a relationship with this Soviet spy named Frederick Field.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: So there are is and clearly visible sexual relationships with
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: some of the top mob guys, the Kennedy's. I mean,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: we're talking about this wasn't just your average actress who
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: had like an A list friends group. We're talking high
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: level military, high level political spheres. And Maryland's right in
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 5: the middle of all of it. And she got a
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: little bit brazen, I think, and they just you know,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: had to do something with her. And I think that
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: the way that they displayed her body was completely humiliating.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: I think that was on purpose as fuck. And she'll
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 5: forever be known as this depressed woman who killed herself
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: and took a bunch of pills and they found her
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: naked body in her bedroom. But if you look even
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: to this day, there are so many cosmetic lines that
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: are dedicated to Marylyn. People decorate their houses with pictures
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: of Maryland. I mean, if you go to any fucking Target, Walmart, wherever,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: there's always some type of Marilyn esque thing that you
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: can do by to hang up in your house. And
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: it's like, would she be as famous as she is
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: if this is if she wouldn't have died in this way,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: because you know, sometimes death can make you infamous. Like
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: there were a lot of actresses that were just as
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: big as Marylyn around the time that she was big,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: but they didn't get a horrible humiliation ritual death, and
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: nobody knows about their names anymore. So is Marilyn. It's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: almost like I have to lean towards the spirituality aspect
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: of this and say, is this another type of twenty
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: seven club Thustian bargain? You want to be famous, will
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: make you famous, Everyone will know you for the rest
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 5: of forever and throughout time and eternity. And maybe she
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: didn't know what that meant when she signed up for that,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: but I don't know. I mean, I find there are
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: so many layers to this and she could easily be
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: one of those Faustian bargains that you know, she became
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: famous in death because of her death.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: Well, I wanted to bring up the angle of pop art.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: So one of the most famous portraits of Maryland was
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: done by the pop artist let me see here. Everybody
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: knows his name, I forgot, but you've got the different
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: panels showing the different colors on Marylyn's face that were
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: you know, originally photographs that they colored in, and it
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: was seen as like something so iconic from that period
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: because of the fact that you know, this is like
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: who all the women aspire to be and all the
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: men aspire to be with. And there's something really sort
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: of dangerous when you have that type of mainstreaming of
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: a certain person as the face of all of that culture.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, especially when you've got you know, people like
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: Taylor Swift today sort of taking on that role of
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: being like this you know, blonde pop icon.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 5: And really Madonna too, the blonde who herself.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: Right, the less details and information you get about these faces,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: you know, just faces with different colors on them, faces
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: staring back at you, faces having some.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Sort of value beyond what you see.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: Keeping them on the shallow end is one of the
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: most important tasks for any handler or publicist for these people,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: because as soon as they start getting into deeper waters,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: that's when you start to see the problems start to emerge.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: Because we don't have a lot of consistency when it
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: comes between our pop culture and our values and ideals.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of crossover there.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: So I think for all of the Satanism that's coming
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: out of these pop stars now, I think that's just
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: sort of like a resurgence of keeping people on the surface,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: because really, who wants to hang out around satanist I've
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: never really met anybody who wants to be close to
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: people who openly profess their love for.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: You know, evil, you know right well, and you know
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: it's It's like, I think Marilyn is an archetype that
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 5: they keep recreating through different people, and I think it's
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 5: a it's a perpetual pattern. Like you said, it's Marylyn,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: and then it's you know whoever else. Then it's Madonna,
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: then it's Britney, then it's Taylor, then it's and it's
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: always like a Lady Gaga, and it's like an archetype
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: of this person, and you know, ritualistically speaking, and we
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: could get into pop culture with this too. Elton John
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: wrote a song about Marylyn Candle in the wind right.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: Everybody loves this song, but he changed the words and
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: he reformed it at Princess Diana's funeral, and she was
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 5: also killed in August, very ritualistically, so we have another
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: August connection and Elton John immortalizing both of them with
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: the same song, just different lyrics.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: And when Elton John did that, I thought that was
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: a nod to tell everyone that Marilyn was murdered just.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: And yeah, and I think a program multiple as well.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: I think that he knew a bunch of shit that
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: he wasn't really going to ever let up on and
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: you know, to go along with the eights as well.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: She was murdered on eight for sixty two and then
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: she was Her funeral was eight eight sixty two, so
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: they completed the ritual by burying her on eight eight eight.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: And you know, it's like I said, Diana died in
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: August two in the nineties. There's just you know, her
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: fucking body went missing for ten hours the day of
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: the funeral. Why why? I just you know, she lives.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: She lives in Laurel Canyon on Helena Drive. And there's
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: just a lot of stuff with this that if you
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 5: look at it from a conspiratorial angle, there's a ton
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: of information you can gather. If you look at it
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: just vacsires from the forensic angle, there's a ton of
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: information you can gather. And then you mix those two
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: things together, and to me, this is one of the
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: interesting most interesting cases of all time that I feel
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: like goes completely unnoticed because you watch a Netflix documentary
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 5: and you think you fucking know everything about it. And
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's a coincidence that she ushered in
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: the blood diamonds. You know, diamonds are a girl's best friend,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: or diamonds are forever whatever the fuck? She said, Yeah, right, well,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: I mean literally.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: They don't haves in Israel, but there Israel's number one
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: expert is the diamonds.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: Thanks to Marylyn, right right. But you know, there are
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 5: so many things too that I don't even know if
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 5: you guys want to get into. But there were there
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: were conversations that were taped between Marylyn and her psychiatrists
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: that later went missing, but they they were listened to
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: by police officers who later kind of gave their opinion
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 5: on them. And in her psychiatrist's sessions, she would talk
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: about her relationships with the Kennedys, and she would also
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: talk about how basically she thought she was too smart
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 5: for anything to ever happen to her, that she was
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: very much so looking forward to her future that she
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 5: thought she had everything going for her. She had a
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: bunch of projects, she was working on and her psychiatrist
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: wrote in the notes that it would be highly unlikely
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: for someone in Maryland's mental state to commit suicide because
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 5: she didn't have any of the uh like red flags
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: that would say this person is depressed and wants to
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 5: commit suicide. It was the exact opposite. Actually, she was
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 5: a very confident person and the only prescription that she
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 5: was on was some sleeping pills that she was actually
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: getting weaned off of. So for her to have out
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: of nowhere had this type of an overdose with Like
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: I said, the amount that was found in her bloodstream
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: didn't even match the prescription that she had access to.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 5: It just you know, it's not you're not gonna sell
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: it to me that this was a sedative drug overdose.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: You're gonna you're not gonna sell it to me.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Well, I think the mob angle is very important, especially
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: considering how mob connected.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: All the movie studios were, all the recording.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: And everything else out in LA at that time was
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: basically controlled by the mob. So it's generally been that way,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: is that the entertainment industry is kind of like the
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: slush fund for mobsters because they need to wash a
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: lot of money and a good way to do that
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: is through the movie industry because they need a massive
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: amount of funding, and whether the movie windsor loses, you're
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: still going to wash that money in the in the public,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: you know, uh viewing of these movies. So having that
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: as sort of a basis for money laundering is very
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: important when it comes to figures like Marilyn Monroe and
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: you know icons or you know, archetypes like her. Ever since,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: because we are still being influenced by the MOB, I
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: think it's changed focus or changed form a lot. Now
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: we're looking at the Mob being all these NGOs, you know,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: and if you think about it, the Mob's always sort
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: of been an ngo. You You've always got the dark
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: side of the state that that you know, engages in
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: and human trafficking, drug trafficking, and you know, all the
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: rest of that stuff.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: But the only way to control it is to be
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: a part of it. And so that has done that.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: And now we're seeing all these non governmental organizations smuggling
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: people across the border. That's just the same old mob tactics.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: They're just figuring out different ways to launder money.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: One hundred and you know, I do think that they
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: continue to do this type of shit with modern day celebrities.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: I don't think that it's changed at all. I think
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 5: they might be a little bit more secretive about it.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: But I think a lot of like I said in
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: the Program to Kill episodes, I think a lot of
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: serial killers, celebrities, politicians. I think they're all actors and
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 5: they're all playing multiple roles, and I think they're interchangeable
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: even sometimes. And Marilyn's an actress, she's playing multiple roles.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 5: I think that, you know, a lot of the shit
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 5: that we see, even with politicians, they're all fucking actors.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 5: And I think it starts with them as as children
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: if they can get them that young. Because it's like
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: I said, they found Marylyn in an orphanage and she's
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: probably an SRA times ten. You know, mom wasn't looking
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: out for her. Dad was out of the picture, and
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 5: they just they probably sra this woman into oblivion and
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 5: then they replaced her with the Marilyn Monroe. But I
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 5: also think, if we're getting back to pop culture, Marilyn
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: Manson said that he got his name, you know, as
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: inspiration from Maryland. And look at this fucking guy and
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: he's best friends with one of the what in my opinion, Cia,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: serial killers, Damian Eccles, Okay, Westminster type shit. He also
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: said they're gonna blame me for Columbine, So I don't know.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: Pop culture wise again, like I said, yeah, Maryland had
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: a shitty fucking innima death, but she is literally like
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: an archetype now, She's like a grand high priestess that
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: gets worshiped in like many different ways. I mean, I
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: don't know what you guys think about that, but that's
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: just my opinion. Obviously, what better symbol.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: For population control? You know, once you reach the top,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: it's time to take yourself out. You know that whole
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: idea of you know, escaping your problems through.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: You know the S word. I don't know. We're on YouTube,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: so you gotta be careful.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: But escaping your problems through that is you know, oftentimes
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: the best way for celebrities and all these politicians to
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: to you know, clock out and having that as your
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: symbol for success or your archetype of success. Especially for
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: a lot of young and rashonable girls who are playing
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: with Barbie dolls that have her face on it, it's
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: going to start to take a toll and you're going
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: to see a lot of that impacting young people in
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: in that negative way. And what better example than Marilyn Manson,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: who has always been kind of like this poster child
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: of you know self self offering uh sort of capitalism.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: You know, he's playing off of the insecurities of these
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: young kids. He's not giving them a vision of hope.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: He's not giving them a vision, a positive vision of
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: the future. I mean, when when's the last time pop
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: music has ever given a positive vision of the future.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: I like to look at pop.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: Music nowadays and all of all of their descriptions of
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: love sound more like a mental illness, you know. I mean,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: where's the where's the positivity anywhere? And they have all
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: the bubblegum colors and stuff, but they don't really have
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: any of that positivity behind it.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: And it's it's really hard not to see that once
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: you start.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: To listen to it a little bit, especially with the
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: guy Jesus Christ. She had literally has a song called
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: Judas and she says she's in love with Judas. I
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: don't know why nobody brings that song up more often,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: she literally and then she did an interview with it,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: and she's like, I'm struggling within myself, like my womaninity,
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: Like I'm attracted to judas I find it sexual and
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 5: you know, it's just weirdness like that. And actually Anton
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: Levy has a dedication in his Satanic Bible too, Marilyn Monroe,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: Jane Mansfield and uh, actress by the name of Tuesday Weld,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: which is somebody that I talk a lot about with
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: Sean McCann because she's also a witch, a known witch
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: and you know, admitted witch. Yeah, so think about those
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: three women that I just mentioned, Tuesday. Tuesday's got some
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 5: fucked up shit going on. She's not dead though, Jane
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 5: Mansfield and Maryland look what the fuck they got? And
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: they're all mentioned in Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible. So I mean,
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 5: you know, I don't know's there's definitely something more at
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: play than what meets the eye. That's pretty much my
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: entire presentation. And you guys, can you know, ask any
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: questions or anything like that. It's a lot of information
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: to take in at once, I know. But if you
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: leave this this podcast, if you're actually paying attention to it,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 5: and you listen to it from start to finish, and
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: you still think Marylyn took a bunch of pills and
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: killed herself. I don't know what the fuck to tell you.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: You should listen to Joe Rogan with the rest of
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 5: the retards, because this is not the podcast for you.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so unfortunate because we sort of downplay facts
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: that are inconvenient and we go along with the mainstream narrative.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: I think that's one of the main pushes with pop
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: icons like Marilyn Manson or Marilyn Monroe, because you're just
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: not supposed to think, right, Like, these are people who
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: they put in front of you and say, isn't this
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: what you want? Don't think about it, you know, And
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: you get those every generation. You get the boy bands
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: and the pop princesses. Here's what we're offering. This is
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: what you want, and you're not supposed to think. You're
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: not supposed to apply your own values to it. You're
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: just supposed to see and want, you know. And that
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: goes back into the whole Barbie scenario too. You you
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 3: did a couple of shows on Barbie that were really
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: good talking about how this is like the introduction of
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: a prostitute icon into American culture. That's just sort of
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: just skin deep You're not supposed to think about it.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: It's just supposed to be right there, and that's supposed
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: to be who you want to be, you know.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: Not right because with the Barbie, think about what little
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 5: girls had before Barbie's. They had babies and you it
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: was a symbol of motherhood and where you were headed
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: in life. Because when you're a little girl, you have
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: a baby and you put in a fucking stroller and
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 5: you feed it fucking carrots or whatever you do. You
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: change its stiper, and that's what you do with it.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: You put the onesie on it. I had lots of
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: babies when I was a little girl, and then all
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: of a sudden, it was like Barbie dolls that had
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 5: tits and ass and you put little mini skirts on
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: them and they have boyfriends and then you act out
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: weird sexual scenes with your friends and your Barbies. I
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: know the fuck I did. I'd be like, oh, this
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 5: one's my boyfriend, and you know you're you know, you're
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: gonna stay home and watch the kids, and me and
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: my boyfriend are gonna go out and we're gonna go party.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: And that's what Barbie was. It was like a party
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: girl mini skirts and this was the introduction, and one
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 5: of the first barbies that they modeled off of was
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: a prostitute doll. Anybody can google this. It was based
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: and all they did to make this a barbie and
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: not a prostitute doll was they removed the nipples and
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 5: the pusslips off of this doll. It was litter. This
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: same doll. This literally, somebody fucking google it. It was
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: called something or other. It was a prostitute doll that
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: you could get in like sex shops, and it had
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: red hair and it had like a little short dress on.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: And all they did when they made it a barbie
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 5: doll was take the puss and the nips off of it,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 5: and they sold it to children and parents at first
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 5: when they saw this doll were like, what the fuck
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: are you doing? And they pushed it so hard to
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: go ahead. Lily.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 8: It was built Lily.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: It was a German risque gad gift for men that
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: was based on a cartoon character from the West German
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: newspaper Build the tomb, no the tune.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 8: I don't speak German, sorry.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: That one exactly see look at that. People think I'd
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 5: make this ship up. It was literally a fucking sex
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: doll that they took the nips off of and made
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: into a child's toy. Yuh, so they get rid of
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: the babies. Why would you want to do that? Motherhood
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: is gross. Here's the sex doll for you to dress
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: up and act out weird sexual scenes with. And uh,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: they obviously make a Maryland one, or at least they
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 5: pay homage to Maryland with Barbie.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: And uh, every new generation they've got another Maryland doll
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: that they're selling to because you know these are.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 5: What are they the collector's barbiees.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, collector's addition, you know, four hundred dollars Maryland Barbie
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: doll every ten years.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: And what about what about fucking the high Witch herself?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: Kim Kay. She shows up to one of the awards
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: shows and one of Maryland's dress, the dress actually the
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 5: nude see through dress. They say that she didn't have
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: to alter it at all, that she just fit right
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: into it. Dude, be her asked, busted through that dress
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 5: the second she put it on. There was definitely alterations
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: that were made to get her into that dress. You're
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: not telling me kim Kay just stepped into Maryland's dress
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: and was able to wear it. No fucking way, dude,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 5: it's what do you think it was significant that she
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 5: wore it? Though?
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: It seems like to me, the younger the girl is,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: the more she treats the Barbie doll like a baby doll.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: And then when she gets older, the Barbie doll takes
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: on a whole different personality and it starts to reflect
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: what the Barbie doll is meant to be reflecting. But
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: you've got that sort of stage of development in between
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: where it's like, well, these little, tiny girls want.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: To treat this doll like it's a baby.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: But then once they get older, it's like, well, I've
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: already established this relationship, but now it has to change
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: because you know, little girls are changing too, and it's
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: like skipping all the steps that you know, young peo
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: people should be going through, and just right here, here's
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: your prostitute.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: You're a prostitute now, you know.
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 5: I said that too. I was like, it's just as
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 5: weird to me how it went from from babies to Barbie's.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 5: And I think Marylyn definitely played she was. They always
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 5: said how Maryland was curvy. I know a lot of
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 5: people talk about how Marylyn was curvy. The woman was
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 5: a size six, and on my best day I have
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: not worn a size six. Maybe in high school. Maybe
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: if we go back to fucking junior year, I could
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 5: wear a size six. But tell me and what universe
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: a size six is considered to be curvy because they
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: use it now. It's like the fat movement thing, fat
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: positive thing like. And don't get me wrong, I'm not
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 5: a fat shamer. I don't fucking care what size you are,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: but I'm not on board with pushing the fat narrative
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: onto people, I think, and the ozimpic thing is just
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: as bad. But Maryland she just wasn't inarexic like the
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 5: rest of the women that were famous back then, they
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 5: were zeros and she was a six. Does it make
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: her curvy though she was still healthy?
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: Right? Well?
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: I mean even that's it seems like they use that
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: as like a foot in the door, you know, because.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Even the rest of the girls back then that were
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: On par or maybe a little bit below Maryland, they
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: weren't necessarily anorexic, that whole anorexic. She came in like
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: in the late seventies, early eighties, and it just sort
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: of stuck around as sort of like this, but we're
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: the vision we're given of ourselves is always this fun
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: house mirror that doesn't reflect anything about where we should.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: Be going, or what we should be doing, or what
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: we'd like to be in our own lives.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: It always has to do with these sort of bizarre
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: visions of ourselves given to us by these people who
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: live on either side of the coasts that have no
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: relationship to the lives.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: That we really wanted to be living.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: You know, I mean, why are homosexual men the main
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: fashion designers for women?
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: Like that doesn't make sense. They're not even interested in women.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: You kind of see the skewing of perceptions around the
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: entire fashion industry and all this pop culture stuff, because
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: it's like the people who want to destroy.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe like they don't like.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: Their mothers, for instance, with a lot of homosexual men,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: that's one of the things that they really don't like
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 3: their mothers, and so they get into the fashion modeling
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: industry so that they can put women in clothes that
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: just don't feel good. It's like torture, you know. I mean,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: look at these stiletto heels and stuff. They're just torturing women.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: People don't buy the stuff. It's torture. You know, let's
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: get away from that and find our own values. One
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: of the problems is all of these images we get,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: our mirror neurons in our brain start to identify that
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: with ourselves, and instead of having a really good picture
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: of what we want to do with our lives and
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: where we want to go, we end up mirroring the
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: outside forces that shape culture. And they really are outside
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: force is I don't think anybody really identifies with the
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: CIA except for a very very small group of people
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: in Langley. You know, their entire lives is the CIA,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: and they're the ones who are shaping culture. That's ridiculous.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's why they use Maryland as an
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: archetype to push like you should look like this, you
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 5: should be like this. You should But I mean, if
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: it were up to me, I would wear soft pants
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: every fucking day. Actually, I got soft pants on right now.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: I live in soft pants. I don't want to wear
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: this shit. I don't want to look like Maryland. I
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: don't want to end up like Maryland. So flock that.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: But thank you guys for having me though. I think,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: you know, this is a cool episode to kind of
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 5: break into some people's reality chamber on. You know, maybe
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 5: stuff isn't always exactly as it seems, even though you've
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 5: watched a Netflix documentary and you think you fucking know everything,
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: Maybe just maybe you don't. But thanks again for having
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 5: me on, guys.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 6: Of course, no, thank you, thank you. That was fun. Yeah,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 6: that was really interesting. That was so on point. Should
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 6: we wrap it up?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: Who?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: No, I was asking her?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: No, just I mean, I'm glad that you brought up
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: all of these points to ponder these points of contention.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, because they are big gaping holes into the
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: official narrative that has existed for so long. And again,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: so many things about Marilyn is completely opposite of what
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 4: the narrative has been pushed. And if, like you said,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: if you just took the time to look up stuff,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: it's there, It's all there, and yet no one has,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: I guess, been bothered to question it or to even
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 4: be bothered to look for it. So I'm I'm very
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 4: grateful that you are, you know, bringing these these topics
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 4: to light.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 5: So thank you. Yeah, I appreciate, and I would say,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 5: if anyone is interested, I know that we live in
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 5: a generation that doesn't read books, but if you're interested.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: The book that I read where I got a lot
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: of this information from, is called Dead Wrong. It's actually
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: written by a comedian, and like most comedians, like Sam Tripley,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: even they're conspiracy theorists at heart. Even Tom Segura, I
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: think is secretly a conspiracy theorist. But the book, again
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: is called Dead Wrong. The author is Richard Pelzer, and
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 5: he talks about Marilyn, Linda B. Johnson, JFK, Martin Luther
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: King Junior. I mean, it's just a plethora of awesome
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 5: conspiracy stuff and he goes based on forensics only. So
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 5: if you're interested in that, you can check out that book.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: But again, thanks so much for having me, guys.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I was just thinking as you were saying,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: that maybe you could have a march line where you
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: take all the inconvenient facts about Marilyn Manson or Marilyn
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: Monroe's death and you list them, like on the sides
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 3: of her portrait. You know, no pills were found in
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 3: her stomach, all the rest of these things. You know,
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: the window was broken from the outside or from the
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: inside out, all of these things, and you put that
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: on the shirt with Marilyn Monroe's face on it, So
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: you're taking advantage of the fact that she is a
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: you know, archetype and showing all the people, Hey, look,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: these are inconvenient facts. You need to take that alongside
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: of this image that you get from the rest.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: Of the media.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: That would actually be a good idea. I did in
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: my merg store, which I never plug, but I made
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: a Marylyn hoodie and it had Marilyn with a magnifying
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: glass and a monarch butterfly over her head. And I
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 5: try to come up with shit that's like. If you
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: saw it, you'd be like, what's that about? And I'd
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: be like, wow, let me fucking tell you what that's about.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: But no, Yeah, that's a good idea. I like that.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: I'll put it on the back of the hoodie. No
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: pills cyanosis.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's good.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 6: I like that.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: So rollin, asshole.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: I just want to plug one more.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 3: If you guys have any esoteric stories or you have
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: anything that has happened to you weird or bizarre magical
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: experiences too, you can email me at the Headless Giant
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: Podcast at gmail dot com and we'll read those stories
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: on the air.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: So thank you for having me, Nick, Thank you for coming.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 6: Julia, thank you for coming on. And Juliet, thank you
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: again very much for coming on. Can you please plug
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 6: all your stuff so everybody can find me? You have
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 6: your a music work.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm wherever you listen to podcasts, not YouTube. Patreon
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 5: for bonus episodes and early access to all the shows
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: that I put out, and you can just look for
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: Cosmic Peach and you'll you'll find me somewhere.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 6: Awesome. Thank you very much, and thank you everybody in
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 6: the chat for showing up and adding to the comments.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 6: That was awesome. It was fun, some good stuff in there.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 6: That's why I go live. And that is the end
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 6: of another Recult Rejects and until the next one, everybody
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 6: be will