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New dad working second job GUNNED DOWN BY HEARTLESS TEEN GIRL OVER PIZZA $ · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A young father takes a
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Speaker 1: second job to support his family, literally working day and
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Speaker 1: night the night job as a pizza delivery person. There,
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Speaker 1: he became the unwinning victim of a murder plot. Delivering
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Speaker 1: pizzas was a second job for Josh. His primary job
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Speaker 1: was working as a meat cutter for Payless Supermarkets. He
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Speaker 1: worked at this store for over a decade. His co
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Speaker 1: workers were devastated for the husband and father of an
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Speaker 1: infant son. How could that happen? How? You know? All
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Speaker 1: he ever wanted to do was take care of his family.
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Speaker 1: That's the only reason he had that second job. But
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Speaker 1: so he could provide and his wife could take care
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Speaker 1: of the baby and his stepson, and that's all he
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Speaker 1: cared about. Josh was killed less than a mile from
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Speaker 1: the stores he worked at, in his own neighborhood and
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Speaker 1: his manager's neighborhood. There is no more well, not in
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Speaker 1: my neighborhood. Nobody can say that anymore. It's sad, but
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Speaker 1: it's true. So we just we take it and we
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Speaker 1: learned from it and see what we need to do
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Speaker 1: to improve so that situation doesn't happen again. You are
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Speaker 1: hearing our friend rich Night at WTHR thirteen News people
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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, stating they'll take from it and learn
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Speaker 1: what they can. But what about his wife? What about
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Speaker 1: his children? His very young children to be raised without
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Speaker 1: a father, without a data, without those two incomes, How
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Speaker 1: were they going to be supported? All because of one
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Speaker 1: screwed up murder plot hatched to get money from a
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Speaker 1: pizza delivery guy, and now a whole family is left devastated.
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Speaker 1: What are they supposed to take from that and move
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Speaker 1: on again? Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation in series XM one eleven. Let me introduce
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Speaker 1: to you an all star panel to help us understand
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Speaker 1: what has happened with me. Ashley Wilcot, judge and trial
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Speaker 1: lawyer anchor at Court TV. You can find her at
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from
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Speaker 1: LA renowned psycho analysts. You can find her at doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall dot com. Cheryl McCollum, Director of the Coldcase
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Speaker 1: Research Institute, now Emmy winner, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 1: Amazon now the star of Poisonous Liaisons on the True
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Speaker 1: Crime Network. But first to my longtime friend and colleague,
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com, investigate everyporter, Alexis Terres Chuck Alexis,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to wt h R thirteen. Flaffia Police
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Speaker 1: were called to this address just after eleven pm last night.
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Speaker 1: When they arrived, they found two men shot and killed
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Speaker 1: in the street. One of them was a Domino's pizza
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Speaker 1: delivery driver. The Domino's store less than a mile away
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Speaker 1: confirms thirty seven year old Josh Ungersma was making deliveries
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Speaker 1: last night. Josh was a delivery driver for us for
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Speaker 1: over a year. He was a great guy and a
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Speaker 1: great employee who was working a second job to provide
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Speaker 1: for his family. Nineteen year old Alberto van Meter was
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Speaker 1: apparently shot and killed. First at the scene. Neighbor Patrick
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Speaker 1: Gibson heard the shots from inside his house next door.
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Speaker 1: If I came out after I heard the first four shots,
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Speaker 1: the kid was already dead, so I don't know who
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Speaker 1: shot the first four shots or whatever. Then, Gibson says
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Speaker 1: he witnessed a teenage girls shoot the driver. I would
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Speaker 1: never thought once in my life I would see something
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Speaker 1: like this. Happening, like right there in my hey, somebody
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Speaker 1: getting shot and killed, or like somebody did like right
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Speaker 1: there in my face. Invest the other reporter, Alexis Terrest,
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Speaker 1: checked with me. Hold On, Alexis, I just had a
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Speaker 1: thought to doctor Bethany Marshall. You know, I just heard
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Speaker 1: for the first time a fact that the pizza delivery
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Speaker 1: addressed the shooting. The murder was just one mile from
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Speaker 1: the pizza parlor itself, Doctor Bethany, when you think of
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Speaker 1: pizza delivery guy in danger, you think they're speeding to
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Speaker 1: a delivery. Don't think of this just a regular night
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Speaker 1: working a second job to support his wife and children.
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Speaker 1: Worked all days the meat cutter pizza delivery at night,
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Speaker 1: one mile away. He never came home. Nancy, You would
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Speaker 1: also think there's a sense of familiarity in that neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: so he must have known something about the neighborhood and
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Speaker 1: which he was working. But back to your point about
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Speaker 1: the calm, the peacefulness of familiarity we feel in our
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Speaker 1: own surroundings. Think about the statistic that most children who
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Speaker 1: are murdered or kidnapped are found within three quarters miles
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Speaker 1: of the family home. Think about the number of domestic
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Speaker 1: homicide victims who are secreted inside the home in which
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Speaker 1: they lived. We think of home as a safe place,
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Speaker 1: but perpetrators also lurk close to our homes and to
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Speaker 1: their own homes, and they seek familiar places as well.
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Speaker 1: So crimes are not always out on the freeway or
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Speaker 1: at a rest stop late at night. Often there within
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Speaker 1: your own familiar surroundings. Which is what happened here till
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Speaker 1: like us Chuck Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, the
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Speaker 1: familiarity that doctor Benthany Marshall is describing really strikes me.
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Speaker 1: Here's the guy out working a second job, everything going
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Speaker 1: spe stentered operating procedure. All of a sudden bam, He's
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Speaker 1: never coming home to his family again. Who is this
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Speaker 1: teen girl? What happened? So? Her name is Jelene Billets,
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Speaker 1: She's seventeen years old. She and her boyfriend, Alberto ben Meeter,
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Speaker 1: who was nineteen years old, came up with a plan
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Speaker 1: to rob a Domino's delivery guy. They went to a
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Speaker 1: house not even where I right there, right there, corrent
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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Cheryl McCollum, Director Coldcase Research Institute, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: don't the pizza delivery people have a sign. I never
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Speaker 1: carry over what fifty dollars something like that, absolutely, And Nancy,
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Speaker 1: with COVID, most people don't even tell cash anymore. Everything
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Speaker 1: is your debit card or a credit card. So here's
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Speaker 1: a guy with practically no cash. Even before COVID, they
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Speaker 1: would very often, if not always, have a sign in
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Speaker 1: the window. Joe Scott, I seem to see that all
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Speaker 1: the time. We don't carry over what fifty dollars cash?
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Speaker 1: It's very clear. Why would you target a pizza guy
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Speaker 1: with nothing? They're vulnerable, Nancy. I've worked cases involving pizza
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Speaker 1: drivers and taxicab drivers over the course of my career,
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Speaker 1: and they all turned out like this. They were like
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Speaker 1: they were executions essentially, because you've got the element of surprise.
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Speaker 1: This guy's rolling up to what the authorities have deemed
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Speaker 1: as an abandoned house, and they know what they're dragging
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Speaker 1: this guy into, and they're gonna ambush him. Hey, his
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Speaker 1: hands are full, he's got you know you've ever had
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Speaker 1: a pizza delivered to your house. He's got a pizza
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Speaker 1: in his hand. He's got a couple of drinks they've
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Speaker 1: ordered that that's actually found on the ground there, and
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Speaker 1: this guy's going into a dangerous situation, and it's the
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Speaker 1: most vulnerable position you can be in as a citizen.
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Speaker 1: You're just going about your daily job. You're not expecting
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Speaker 1: to be murdered. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The names
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Speaker 1: of the two people found dead in this Lafayette street
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Speaker 1: are thirty seven year old Joshua ungersma In nineteen year
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Speaker 1: old Alberto van Meter. Both of them are from Lafayette. Now.
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Speaker 1: It happened near the street's heart heart in sixteenth Street,
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Speaker 1: excuse me last night in Lafayette. Lafayette Police Lieutenant Matt
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Speaker 1: Guard says the call came in at about eleven fourteen
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Speaker 1: last night. When officers got here, they found the two
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Speaker 1: men dead from gunshot wounds. LPD is still investigating the homicide,
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Speaker 1: but a teenage girl has been arrested in connection to
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Speaker 1: what happened here now. The deputy corner also mentioned that
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Speaker 1: Unger's Mott was a pizza delivery driver in Lafayette. Lieutenant
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Speaker 1: Guard could not say if that had anything to do
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Speaker 1: with the investigation. Yeah, it had plenty to do with
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Speaker 1: the investigation. These predators targeted the pizza delivery guy. They
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Speaker 1: didn't care that he's working to Jos to support his
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Speaker 1: family and his children. They didn't care about that. This
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Speaker 1: call came in around eleven fifteen at night. They used
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Speaker 1: the cover of darkness lured him there for what little
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Speaker 1: money a pizza delivery guy carries. You were just listening
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Speaker 1: to our friend, Samantha Tike at WLFI eighteen News. Back
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Speaker 1: to you, Joe Scott, Morgan, Professor Forensics, jacksonvill State. You
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Speaker 1: mentioned that you had worked a lot of cases where
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Speaker 1: pizza delivery guys and similarly positioned victims are targeted and lured.
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Speaker 1: Did you notice they waited until it was dark to
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Speaker 1: get the pizza. I mean this was very well thought out,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, Yeah, it was. And think about this as well.
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Speaker 1: There are two individuals that are perpetrating this, this attempted robbery,
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Speaker 1: if you will. And so you have one person that's
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Speaker 1: drawing the attention of the driver, all right, while the
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Speaker 1: other person is essentially probably has a weapon being held
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Speaker 1: on him. He doesn't know where to go at this point.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's panicked. At this point. He is, like
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Speaker 1: I said, Nancy, he is vulnerable. This is what is
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Speaker 1: referred to as a symmetry in victimology. That means one
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Speaker 1: person has the upper hand at all times. And things
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Speaker 1: went really sideways very quickly. You know, Cheryl'm wanna call him.
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Speaker 1: You're the director of the Cold Case Research Institute and
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Speaker 1: forensics expert Joe Scott's laying a lot of fancy words
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Speaker 1: on you. Did you hear that symmetry in victimology? Okay?
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Speaker 1: What is he saying? All right? I would never say
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Speaker 1: that too. With jury, there's a lot of symmetry and victimology.
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Speaker 1: What just breaking down a column? He is so brilliant
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Speaker 1: the issue. You sure seeing that our side of your mouth.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, you know he's brilliant. Now I love his voice,
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Speaker 1: but basically this person, I'm sure you'd be happy to
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Speaker 1: report that to your husband. But just keep going right now,
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Speaker 1: enough about Jay Scott Morgan and so called silver Fox.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead. But this is a soft target. So we
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Speaker 1: see it with delivery people, whether it's flowers or pizza.
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Speaker 1: We see it with real estate agents. They can be
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Speaker 1: lured somewhere. So this house is abandoned, so there's no phone,
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Speaker 1: there's no proper lighting, there's not going to be easy
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Speaker 1: help for the victim. So again, they're laying in weight.
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Speaker 1: But again, my former prosecutor, Nancy Grace, I know what
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Speaker 1: you would do with this level of premeditation is beyond evil.
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Speaker 1: So you're talking about they stalk out this address, that's bogus.
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Speaker 1: They lay in wait, they make this phone call, they
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Speaker 1: order this pizza. And here's what's really discussing. They didn't
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Speaker 1: care who it was. It was just whoever in rotation
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Speaker 1: got this assignment. Whoever showed up with six and have
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Speaker 1: a gun shoved in their face. What they weren't counting
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Speaker 1: on is the victim having his own weapon. Yeah, they weren't.
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Speaker 1: And he carried that for reasons because I guess he
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Speaker 1: had felt threatened in the past. But he just kept working.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to ask you Wilcot Judge and
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Speaker 1: Trial Law, your anchor Court TV, ask you Wilcot dot com.
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Speaker 1: You know what my twins keep saying, Mom, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to get a job. I'm like, you're not going to
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Speaker 1: get a job. If you want a job, here, here's
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Speaker 1: a toothbrush and a can of ajax. Getting there and
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Speaker 1: clean the ground between the tiles and in your bathroom tub.
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Speaker 1: That worked for about a month. They keep saying this
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Speaker 1: get a job what delivering pizza after I read a
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Speaker 1: story like this. You heard Joe Scott Morgan, you heard
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. A soft target. I'll never forget covering the
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Speaker 1: real estate victim. She went to a home, a guy
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Speaker 1: was waiting on her and murdered her. Just beautiful lady
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Speaker 1: trying to She had just called home and told her family, Hey,
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Speaker 1: I put something in the oven for you. Just turn
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Speaker 1: it on. I'll be there later, but your dinner's ready.
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Speaker 1: I've got one more showing I've got to go to.
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Speaker 1: He killed her, raped her and killed her. I mean,
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Speaker 1: soft target. It is just so wrong. It's not like
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Speaker 1: some drugs shootout. It's not like a wife plotting to
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Speaker 1: murder her husband. The pizza delivery guy, Ashley. Yeah, it's
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Speaker 1: so random, Nancy. It's really sad. We live in a
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Speaker 1: world where you always have to be aware, you always
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Speaker 1: have to be cautious because there are these random crimes,
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Speaker 1: and criminals will be criminals and they don't care they
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Speaker 1: hurt if they're going to try to rob someone like
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Speaker 1: Jessicott said, they had a gun, they didn't care what
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Speaker 1: they did with it. And it's really a world when
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Speaker 1: we always have to watch our back. But that doesn't excuse,
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Speaker 1: condonor defend the fact that these criminals took the life
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Speaker 1: of someone who was working hard to support his family.
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Speaker 1: He never, ever, ever, should have been a target, right,
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Speaker 1: there's no reason, there's no excuse, there's no justification. And
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Speaker 1: thankfully he had a gun on him. I'm going to
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Speaker 1: say that right to carry, because if he didn't have
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Speaker 1: a gun on him, the results may have been the same,
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Speaker 1: but it could have been even worse. It just there's
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Speaker 1: no good outcome. But he had to be prepared for
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Speaker 1: something just in case, and it happened. Alexis. I just
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Speaker 1: remember the woman's name was Beverly Carter, the real estate agent.
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Speaker 1: Just she looked like a model, beautiful lady, beautiful family
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Speaker 1: and goes to this real estate showing and ends up
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Speaker 1: getting murdered. The defense at trial by the killer was
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Speaker 1: that this woman had met the killer for the first
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Speaker 1: time and died accidentally during a consensual sex act. The
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Speaker 1: dinners in the oven just put it on four hundred.
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Speaker 1: I'll be home in an hour, Are you kidding me?
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Speaker 1: What a lie? And I think we covered that together, Alexis.
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Speaker 1: When miss Carter was murdered. We did, and here we
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Speaker 1: have another soft target. As we hear Cheryl McCollum describe it.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about the victim? He is
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Speaker 1: very easy, thirty seven years old, he is married, he
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Speaker 1: has a grand new eight, not even a year old,
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Speaker 1: baby's six months old. He's a stepdad, a loving stepped
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Speaker 1: out to her six year old son. And as he's
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Speaker 1: been a butcher for thirteen years, he's had a steady
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Speaker 1: solid job. About a year ago he decided that, you know,
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Speaker 1: you have to do baby on the way. They needed
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Speaker 1: more money, so he got a job as a Domino's
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Speaker 1: delivery driver to earn more money. Everybody loves this guy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he worked so hard, and I think you
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Speaker 1: were right about Dominoes. But it's not fifty dollars, but
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Speaker 1: drivers carry it's twenty dollars. That's nothing to Loch dead
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Speaker 1: over twenty dollars. And you know, I guess, doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: I'm just learning a lot more about the victim. You know,
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Speaker 1: there are some men. I'm sure you've seen him out
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Speaker 1: there on rodeo drive. But here's the guy that marries
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Speaker 1: a young lady who is bringing with her a stepson,
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Speaker 1: a lot of men wouldn't touch that with a ten footpoll,
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Speaker 1: no matter how great the lady is. They just don't
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Speaker 1: want the sponsibility. But he marries this woman with a
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Speaker 1: step child, then they have their own baby. Now this
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Speaker 1: that tells me a lot about him right there, holding
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Speaker 1: down this kind of job for thirteen years, same position,
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Speaker 1: ten years, all day with a night job too. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it just reminds me so much of my dad, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Nancy. A couple of things come to mind about that.
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Speaker 1: Who wants to be away from their house late at night?
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Speaker 1: This was after eleven o'clock at night, when you have
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Speaker 1: a newborn at home. That in and of itself is
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Speaker 1: a sacrifice, not just the hard work of being a
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Speaker 1: pizza delivery man, but the loss of attachment with your
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Speaker 1: own child's or own family. Of course, he would much
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Speaker 1: rather have been at home than out working, probably for
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Speaker 1: minimum wage. The second thing is you mentioned the realtor
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Speaker 1: who is killed in the course of her work. The
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Speaker 1: guy laid and wait so that he could rape and
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Speaker 1: murder her. We are assuming that these perpetrators were intending
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Speaker 1: to feal money. These were two teenagers. What if that
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Speaker 1: was not the m for the crime. I don't know criminology,
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Speaker 1: but I do know human nature, and I have a
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Speaker 1: hard time believing that they needed to use that much
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Speaker 1: worse for twenty dollars. Well, of course they didn't. You're
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Speaker 1: trying to apply logic to an illogical situation. Of course
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Speaker 1: they didn't need to, but they wanted this guy's twenty
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Speaker 1: five dollars Crime stories with Nancy Grace, A guy working
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Speaker 1: two jobs to support his stepson and his kneeborn baby
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Speaker 1: and wife. I just hate it. It just makes me sick.
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Speaker 1: Sick about this guy, Joshua Ungersman. We're learning a lot
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Speaker 1: about what happened, and about the characters involved, and about
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Speaker 1: the victim himself. Take a listen to Rich Knight of
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Speaker 1: AhR thirteen. Two witnesses say they saw seventeen year old
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Speaker 1: Jalen Billips shoot a Domino's pizza delivery driver just after
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Speaker 1: eleven pm. Court records say that Billips ordered pizza with
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Speaker 1: a false name to an unoccupied address on Sixteenth Street
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Speaker 1: in Lafayette. When josh Ungersma arrived with the delivery, Billips
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Speaker 1: and her boyfriend allegedly tried to rob him. Investigators believe
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Speaker 1: ungers must shot and killed nineteen year old Alberto van
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Speaker 1: Meter with a revolver. Then Billips shot and killed Ungersma
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Speaker 1: with a nine millimeter handgun. The team faces multiple felony charges,
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Speaker 1: including three counts of murder and armed robbery. The charges
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Speaker 1: hold Billips responsible for Ungersma killing her boyfriend. Billips made
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Speaker 1: her initial court appearance by video and told the magistrate
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Speaker 1: her family plans to hire an attorney. Yeah, she's gonna
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Speaker 1: need a lawyer. Joshua Ungersma, however, dead. The shooter Jalen
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Speaker 1: Billops seventeen, charged with killing Joshua Ungersma, and she may
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Speaker 1: end up being charged with the death of her boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: who was shot during the armed robbery. Nineteen year old
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Speaker 1: Alberto ven Meter also dead in the middle of all this.
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Speaker 1: What do we know about her? Alexis Tereshiak. I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at a mug shot right now. Seventeen. Yep, we know
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Speaker 1: she is seventeen years old. She has I guess her
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Speaker 1: boyfriend that she was there with. But here's what happened
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Speaker 1: during the crime. What the police have said is so
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Speaker 1: she and her boyfriend ambushed us. Some there are a
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Speaker 1: bunch of shots fired. The boyfriend is on the ground dead,
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Speaker 1: that neighbors come out. They talked to us Joshua. He says,
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Speaker 1: please call the police, and she actually dialed nine one
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Speaker 1: from her phone. The samphone that she called to order
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Speaker 1: the pizza from is what the police have said. So
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Speaker 1: she is starting the she's calling up. Domino steps him up.
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Speaker 1: He comes. Then after the boy, her boyfriend is shot,
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Speaker 1: she takes the gun and walks up to Joshua and
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Speaker 1: shoots him point blank and kills him. You know that's
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Speaker 1: overwhelming to me. Could you just go through that very
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Speaker 1: slowly one more time? Sure? So Jalen is the one
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Speaker 1: that actually makes the phone call from her cell phone.
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Speaker 1: She calls Domino's Pizza. She orders the pizza. Joshua shows up.
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Speaker 1: He is ambushed by this couple. There are shots fired.
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Speaker 1: Her boyfriend, I'm saying boyfriend. But the boy with her,
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Speaker 1: the teenager in the nineteen year old man is shot.
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Speaker 1: He is on the ground. Clearly, I believe dead. Everybody.
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Speaker 1: People the neighbors are coming out from the house. They
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Speaker 1: see it. Unger's mother. Delivery driver says to the neighbors, belief.
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Speaker 1: I was hoping. He gets hope that he didn't feel anything.
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Speaker 1: So he lays there knowing he's died, trying and asked
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Speaker 1: people to call a police. No, no, no, he hasn't
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Speaker 1: been shot yet. He has not been shot yet. He
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Speaker 1: is he's defended himself. He's defended himself from the robbery,
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Speaker 1: and he is doing the right thing stand away from
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Speaker 1: the scene. So then so he's there, he's doing the
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Speaker 1: right thing. The responsible thing called the police. She actually
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Speaker 1: called nine one one from her cell phone. Then she
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Speaker 1: picks up a gun and walks over to him and
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Speaker 1: shoots him point blank and kills him. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: did you hear that? I heard the entire thing, and Nancy,
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Speaker 1: one of those things I wondered was Jalen. She's there
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Speaker 1: with a gun. She sees her boyfriend shot and killed
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Speaker 1: a seventeen year old girl, then goes and shoots Josh
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Speaker 1: the piece of delivery man who is the seventeen year
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Speaker 1: old girl. Like she's a homicidals seventeen year old. It's
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Speaker 1: almost like she went to that abandoned house with homicide
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Speaker 1: on her mind, not with pizza or the pizza drinks
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Speaker 1: or stealing the twenty or the fifty dollars or whatever
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Speaker 1: she thought she could find. This is a young woman
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Speaker 1: whose primary emo was homicide, that she was trigger happy,
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Speaker 1: she was ready to do it before the pizza delivery
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Speaker 1: man ever even arrived at the house. You know, in
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Speaker 1: my mind, that changes so much. First of all, it
23:32
Speaker 1: was going to be a felony murder anyway, which carries
23:34
Speaker 1: a life sentence. She's treated as an adult because it
23:38
Speaker 1: was during the commission of a robbery. That's a felony,
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Speaker 1: and someone died. Josh unger'sma the dad to too. But
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Speaker 1: now Alexa's terrestripe from what I understand you're telling me.
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Speaker 1: After anger'sma tells neighbors call police, he comes over and
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Speaker 1: shoots him dead. Yeah. He actually the neighbors said are
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Speaker 1: you okay, and Joshua said the According to the police,
24:08
Speaker 1: josh And says, I'm okay, but call the police. He
24:10
Speaker 1: tells the neighbor to call the police. The police are saying,
24:13
Speaker 1: you know, in according the affidavits, they say she actually
24:17
Speaker 1: called nine one one from her cell phone. So she
24:19
Speaker 1: used his cell phone to call Dominoes and she called
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Speaker 1: nine like one. Then the neighbor says he witnessed this.
24:25
Speaker 1: He said, she picks up a gun and walks right
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Speaker 1: up to unders and shoots him, walks right up to
24:32
Speaker 1: the delivery garment. So he had been okay. Now police
24:35
Speaker 1: are saying, or the prostors say he had several gunshot ones,
24:39
Speaker 1: I don't. They have not revealed how many times he
24:41
Speaker 1: was shot, or if perhaps her boyfriend had fired at him.
24:45
Speaker 1: But he said he was okay. So you've been shot.
24:48
Speaker 1: You wouldn't say you were okay, Wayne, do you, Cheryl McCollum, Nancy.
24:53
Speaker 1: The point of all this that really steaks out for
24:55
Speaker 1: me too, is the victim, the delivery driver had already
24:58
Speaker 1: put his gun back in his pocket, so he thought
25:02
Speaker 1: the threat was over, and he was certainly not looking
25:05
Speaker 1: at her as anybody that was involved with this robbery
25:08
Speaker 1: in the beginning. So again it goes to premeditation. Both
25:13
Speaker 1: of these suspects have a gun laying in wait on
25:16
Speaker 1: this man when this happens, and she sees her boyfriend shot.
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Speaker 1: It's critical to me that she didn't run away in
25:22
Speaker 1: a panic. She didn't freak out and leave the area
25:26
Speaker 1: to even save herself. She walked, not ran, walked up
25:31
Speaker 1: to that victim and shot him dead point blank and
25:34
Speaker 1: stayed there and police capture her own scene. This is
25:38
Speaker 1: not your average seventeen year old to judge and trial
25:41
Speaker 1: lawyer a court TV anchor Ashley Wilcot, that is absolutely
25:46
Speaker 1: premeditated because, first of all, yeah, the premeditation of them
25:49
Speaker 1: luring him, the victim, Joshua Angersma to an abandoned home.
25:54
Speaker 1: It was not for a pizza. The boyfriend, Van Meter,
25:58
Speaker 1: comes out with a gun, he gets shot dead. Others
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Speaker 1: m calls asked people to call police. She comes straight
26:05
Speaker 1: out and guns him down. There's no way around it.
26:08
Speaker 1: This is first degree murder. Oh. I absolutely agree, and
26:12
Speaker 1: I'm actually really impressed that they've charged him with two
26:15
Speaker 1: counts of murder. Why because the phone connected her to
26:20
Speaker 1: the initial call to the pizza delivery, which was premeditated
26:23
Speaker 1: to get somebody there, right, She did that and as
26:26
Speaker 1: a result of that, her boyfriend was killed in self defense.
26:29
Speaker 1: So I think it's genius on behalf of the prosecutors
26:32
Speaker 1: to charge him with both crimes. I just have to say, Nancy,
26:35
Speaker 1: this reminds me. Do you remember probably five years ago
26:38
Speaker 1: the uber driver in Atlanta that was murdered, gunned to
26:43
Speaker 1: the back of the head. Again, they never found any
26:46
Speaker 1: connection between the person that shot him and killed him
26:51
Speaker 1: and the fact he was an uber driver in the
26:53
Speaker 1: middle of the night. I know that family. The reason
26:55
Speaker 1: he was doing it was to help support the family
26:58
Speaker 1: of our money. Exact same type of case. Crime stories
27:15
Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, I can't tell you how upsetting
27:23
Speaker 1: this case is. You've got a decent guy, no connection
27:28
Speaker 1: whatsoever to these two defendants. Second job. I pulled up
27:34
Speaker 1: this picture while we were talking. Brand new baby. Second
27:40
Speaker 1: job to support his family. You know. Take a listen
27:46
Speaker 1: to Rich Night wt HR thirteen. Gibson posted video on
27:55
Speaker 1: Facebook from the scene After both shootings. The seventeen year
27:58
Speaker 1: old girl was arrested for robbery and murder. She could
28:02
Speaker 1: be charged as an adult. Unger'sma also worked in the
28:06
Speaker 1: meat department at Payless Grocery for over a decade. The
28:09
Speaker 1: store manager says he was married with a newborn baby.
28:12
Speaker 1: We want to be able to do everything we can
28:15
Speaker 1: for the family, and we are going to for right now.
28:18
Speaker 1: We ask that you give us some time for the
28:21
Speaker 1: healing process. The Domino store is closed today out of
28:24
Speaker 1: respect to the Unger's my family. Autopsies or schedule for
28:28
Speaker 1: both men tomorrow. It'll be up to the prosecutor whether
28:30
Speaker 1: to file any criminal charges against that seventeen year old,
28:34
Speaker 1: she will be treated as an adult throughout the proceedings,
28:37
Speaker 1: as she should. To forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor
28:42
Speaker 1: Friens at Shacksonville State University, j Scott, how can we
28:46
Speaker 1: use forensics to prove the scenario that Alexis reported how
28:52
Speaker 1: it went down? Well, you know, let's go back to
28:55
Speaker 1: what Max said just a few moments ago, when this
29:00
Speaker 1: young man, this pizza driver, had actually taken his weapon
29:04
Speaker 1: and placed it into his pocket. Now, from what I'm understanding,
29:08
Speaker 1: it was probably a revolver, a thirty eight caliber revolver,
29:12
Speaker 1: which is kind of compact. There were four rounds that
29:16
Speaker 1: had been fired, So you have those casings that are
29:18
Speaker 1: contained their end. Those rounds, those bullets are going to
29:22
Speaker 1: look different than what this seventeen year old, i'll call
29:26
Speaker 1: her an executioner, allegedly was carrying. She was carrying a
29:31
Speaker 1: nine millimeter and those two rounds are going to look
29:34
Speaker 1: completely different, all right, And then we have to think
29:37
Speaker 1: about range of fire. You know, with her, one of
29:40
Speaker 1: the things that keeps coming up is this is an
29:42
Speaker 1: execution style shooting shot him at point blank range. When
29:47
Speaker 1: people say things like point blank, they throw it around.
29:50
Speaker 1: Point blank is a real thing. That means that you're
29:52
Speaker 1: within very close distance of this individual. I'm going to
29:56
Speaker 1: be very curious to find out what the range of fire.
30:00
Speaker 1: Did she walk up to this guy and just shoot
30:02
Speaker 1: him in the side of the head, did she shoot
30:04
Speaker 1: him in the chest, and how many times did she fire?
30:08
Speaker 1: And all of that's gonna be revealed after the autopsy. Well,
30:12
Speaker 1: we do understand from the autopsy from the coroner that
30:16
Speaker 1: the victim, the dad of two, Joshua Angersma, was shot
30:20
Speaker 1: multiple times. He leaves behind wife Jenny, stepson Logan, and
30:27
Speaker 1: his six month old baby boy. Sebastian Headwarked is a
30:32
Speaker 1: butcher at Payless Supermarket for thirteen years, then joined Dominoes
30:38
Speaker 1: two years ago to make extra cash to support his
30:43
Speaker 1: young family. I want to focus for a moment on
30:49
Speaker 1: Billzebub Jaellen Billups seventeen years old. Could you give me
30:57
Speaker 1: any reason as she wilcot she should not be treated
31:02
Speaker 1: as an adult. In many jurisdictions, it is called the
31:05
Speaker 1: seven deadlies. If a juvenile commits one of the seven
31:10
Speaker 1: deadly sins, they will be bound over from juvenile court
31:14
Speaker 1: to adult court. Those seven deadlies being if I think
31:18
Speaker 1: I can remember them all off the top of my head, murder, rape,
31:23
Speaker 1: child molestation, sodomy, kidnap, arson, and armed robbery. There you go.
31:33
Speaker 1: This definitely is one of the seven deadlies. Give me
31:36
Speaker 1: one good reason a trial judge to kick this back
31:39
Speaker 1: to juvenile Ashley, I don't think that a trial judge would,
31:43
Speaker 1: But I will tell you the reason why it's possible
31:47
Speaker 1: under the law. Yes, you're correct, seven deadly get charged
31:50
Speaker 1: as an adult. The reason that a judge will kick
31:53
Speaker 1: it to juvenile court is because remember, the purpose of
31:55
Speaker 1: the juvenile court system is to rehabilitate jun The purpose
32:01
Speaker 1: of the adult system is to punish, and so they
32:05
Speaker 1: do it to try to provide. I disagree. If the
32:09
Speaker 1: only purpose of adult court is to punish, why do
32:12
Speaker 1: we have halfway houses, Why do we have probation, Why
32:15
Speaker 1: do I just send everybody to jail. Adults get rehabilitated too.
32:19
Speaker 1: But the purpose of the system originally was not to rehabilitate,
32:22
Speaker 1: I would argue, it was to punish. Now there is rehabilitation,
32:25
Speaker 1: don't misunderstand me, But there is no there is for
32:29
Speaker 1: juvenile court for juveniles. There is no intent there is
32:32
Speaker 1: no punishment intended, but rather rehabilitation. So when there's a
32:37
Speaker 1: hanous crime like a murder like this, they are, in
32:40
Speaker 1: my opinion, going to be okay trying them as an
32:42
Speaker 1: adult because of the hanousness of the crime. It doesn't
32:45
Speaker 1: mean they can't be rehabilitated when they're an adult prison,
32:48
Speaker 1: but it does mean that that is not the focus
32:52
Speaker 1: the intent when the juvenile court system was set up.
32:55
Speaker 1: This is what else I know. I've been trying to
32:59
Speaker 1: speak to people there in the jurisdiction. I understand that
33:04
Speaker 1: the boyfriend van Meter was found nearby with a Domino's box,
33:10
Speaker 1: two drinks, and cash lying on the ground beside him.
33:18
Speaker 1: We also know that the victim's weapon was the thirty
33:21
Speaker 1: eight Smith and Wesson, and it was in his pocket,
33:26
Speaker 1: as has already been reported by Alexis terres Chuck. So
33:29
Speaker 1: what does I tell you, Cheryl McCallum, director of the
33:32
Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute, boyfriend has found with two drinks,
33:37
Speaker 1: a pizza and money beside him, Well, it tells me
33:41
Speaker 1: he already started the arm robbery. He had a nine
33:44
Speaker 1: millimeter Nancy, I bet you that nine millimeter also comes
33:48
Speaker 1: back stolen, perhaps an infernado or a burglary that he
33:51
Speaker 1: a say, be tied to the seventeen year old female.
33:56
Speaker 1: She most likely has a juvenile record. She's had some
33:59
Speaker 1: issues with her school. Well, I bet you, I bet
34:01
Speaker 1: there's other victims that'll come forward about behavior that she's displayed,
34:05
Speaker 1: and I bet when it comes to trial she has
34:08
Speaker 1: zero character witnesses. This ain't her first rodeo. Look at
34:12
Speaker 1: her mug shot. She ain't scared, she ain't crying. She's
34:16
Speaker 1: looking at that camera like whatever, you know what, you're
34:20
Speaker 1: right and you just got Morgan. It has definitely been
34:24
Speaker 1: confirmed that Erst was shot multiple times. This guy lies
34:30
Speaker 1: there and dies outside at an abandoned house. His family
34:35
Speaker 1: left without him, at the hands of this she devil
34:39
Speaker 1: at age seventeen. She's evil already at age seventeen. Yeah, hey,
34:47
Speaker 1: you know what, Nancy. This is the thing about it.
34:49
Speaker 1: Let me tell you how far this this evil extends.
34:54
Speaker 1: The neighbors were already aware that this had happened. Remember
34:58
Speaker 1: what we heard. He had engaged in conversation with these people.
35:01
Speaker 1: So not only did they gun this young father down
35:05
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the street, she did, but
35:09
Speaker 1: she did it in front of witnesses. That's how cold
35:12
Speaker 1: and callous this is. This is something that is going
35:15
Speaker 1: to weigh in this neighborhood for years and years and years.
35:18
Speaker 1: I think back to a lot of the crime prone
35:21
Speaker 1: areas I used to work cases in Nancy, and I
35:24
Speaker 1: would go back to those streets and I would look
35:27
Speaker 1: and I would say, you know what, I've worked a
35:29
Speaker 1: homicide here three years ago, four years ago. The old
35:32
Speaker 1: guys that were there before me, Yeah, you got to
35:34
Speaker 1: avoid that place. I've had mold and so this is
35:36
Speaker 1: kind of like this generational thing that goes on that
35:39
Speaker 1: area is going to be cursed and haunted because well,
35:42
Speaker 1: you know what, You're right it will be. But I'm not,
35:44
Speaker 1: so I'm not as worried about the area as I
35:47
Speaker 1: am about this baby. Sebastian, the wife, the stepson. Their
35:53
Speaker 1: lives are forever changed. We wait as justice and false
35:58
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crimes stories running off. Goodbye friend,