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Where Stillness Meets Strength with Kris Rice · Giving Pain Purpose with Lyndsay Soprano

• Lyndsay Soprano (00:01.838) So this morning I sent an intention, set an intention, and it was stay calm and chill in the storm. and let me explain. So today I have 29, and I'm not making this number up, I have 29 construction workers inside and outside of my home right now while I am doing this here today with my beautiful guest. So if there is one, thing that I need in my life right now, it is having an opportunity to fricking chill out. There is absolutely not one day right now where I have a moment to myself outside of my morning swim and sometimes going to the bathroom, because I have two wiener dogs, so I'm usually always under some form of observation. I just mentioned we're under construction and all that, and it's been almost two years. Kris Rice (00:36.697) You Lyndsay Soprano (00:58.602) And just that alone has my body in fight and flight all day long. And my anxiety is always being tested. My nerves feel like I'm on fire all day long. And that's not just because of CRPS and Lyme disease and all the other BS that's going on in my body. My libido is all out of whack. By the time these 20 people, 29 people leave this building, there is no way anything is happening. And I still keep going all day, all night long. Why, why, why? Because, because, because. And I've been making some pretty significant changes in my life for not just mental health, like anxiety and all of that stuff that comes around, that wraps around my riddle, but also just how I'm handling situations. But my nervous system is so constantly on fire. And that is driving me baddie and it's driving my loved ones as baddie as almost some days I feel like it's as baddie as I am. So we always talk about meditation and mindfulness and energy work and Reiki. and all the amazing chakras, all of the things, you name it. We talk about surgeries, we talk about doctors, pain medications, all of these things. But I wanna find a different way that we can help reset our nervous system, and so I did. So today is going to be super chillax. We are going to chat with this amazing CEO, mother and wife about a couple things. Intentional cold exposure. and debunking misinformation about how cold therapy works and how we can help to reset our nervous system. Mental health and wellness, building emotional resilience for pain recovery, a couple tools to help us rebuild the reserves that sometimes feel like is there anything left in me to keep going through these little micro practices. Inflammation and the pain stress cycle which My Lord, do we live in a pain stress cycle around here with 29 people in here every day? And why caregivers, and this is an important part for me in this episode as well as everything that I just mentioned is giving our caregivers, our sweeties and our loved ones, they need to reset too. And they burn out too. So everybody get ready to chill with my super guest today, Chris Rice. Hello, my darling. Kris Rice (03:11.545) Hello, I'm so glad to be here. Lyndsay Soprano (03:13.836) I am so happy to chill with you today. So Chris is the founder and CEO of ChillPod. It's a luxury cold immersion system redefining, not redefining, redefined it. Cold therapy as a daily ritual for nervous system reset and resilience. Her journey began while fiercely advocating for her daughter's mental health until a two minute cold plunge shifted everything. So it started as a personal lifeline became a mission to help others tap into science back energy shifting practices that actually fit into real life. Today, Chris is on a mission to make feeling better, feel accessible, one chill at a time. And I am rolling out the red carpet for you, babe. So I would like to talk real quick and start with the story of your daughter's mental wellness in those two minutes that change your family's life. And then let's take it from there. Great. Kris Rice (03:54.521) You Kris Rice (04:03.565) Yeah, I'm happy to. So I have two daughters, one's now 13 and a 10 year old. And when my older daughter was young, she had a lot of mental health struggles. And I just dove into how can I advocate for her in every way possible. She was very little, so she couldn't do that for herself. So I stepped into that. And alongside her, what was the beauty was not only finding creative tools, solutions, ways to support her needs, I was able to actually for the first time recognize my own needs in that. It was, you know, as always such a mirror to what do I actually need? I am actually not well. And so... Lyndsay Soprano (04:48.482) Me neither, welcome, cheers! Salute to all of us that are unwell. Kris Rice (04:54.777) Exactly. Like on the surface, I am playing it very cool. I am appearing to be A-OK and underneath it is a storm. so I think one, she really, I'm so thankful that she gave me really the permission to see that that was accessible. so alongside her, I found her alternative health and wellness and techniques. And then I started to figure out like, what did I need? And so it started with Lyndsay Soprano (05:02.488) Mm-hmm Kris Rice (05:22.387) even start with? I think it really started with moving my body, getting outside more, being in nature, doing those things. And then I was then I discovered meditation, I explored breath work and yoga and all of these things that I said I would never do. And it turned out I absolutely loved them. But the reality was that I found all these amazing practices that did help me feel better. But if I didn't do them, I didn't feel better. And so or even I could recognize where I could feel and then be like, Lyndsay Soprano (05:34.336) Of course. Yeah, yeah. Kris Rice (05:51.258) I only did one of them today, like not gonna happen. It's not working. And so the reality was raising a family, having a full-time job, trying to have a side hustle and build a business and all of the things like I couldn't add on these hours of practices. So it was from that place that a friend of mine said, know, I just, think you should try cold plunging. And actually she's an energy healer. We were connecting for a session and she was like, I feel like it would work for you. And I was like, nope. No, thank you. I do not want to do that. Yeah, I was like, that's awful. I will not do that, but thank you. and so I, and I turned her down multiple times. You she had just gotten into it and I was like, I just can't. Like I really genuinely, I don't think you understand how much I hate cold water. And she was like, okay, and let it go. And then one day we were talking and I think I literally, the only thought I can have is I had nothing to lose. Lyndsay Soprano (06:20.238) Absolutely not. That sounds terrible. Next topic. Kris Rice (06:47.885) Like I couldn't keep up with all the things and I didn't feel well. so what, what, if I hated cold water, then I hated cold water. And then I, what, I didn't feel better. Like that's fine. So it was from that space that I hung up with her. I literally got on the ACE hardware website, ordered myself a little trough and was like, and I didn't, you know it. Where else do you get a trough? I don't know where else you get a trough. Lyndsay Soprano (07:08.942) Please, hardware! Lyndsay Soprano (07:15.975) This is Jesus in the manger kind of a situation are you living in a barn? Kris Rice (07:17.529) You would think you would think by my purchases, but no. Lyndsay Soprano (07:25.944) Don't everybody look at each other's Amazon cards. It will tell you a lot about each other. Yeah. Kris Rice (07:28.569) Oh no, no, no, no. Especially because I park things in the cart while I think about them for a little while. So yeah, that is, it is, you never know. So I parked that in the cart for a little bit and thought about it and then I was like, I'm just gonna do it. So I didn't tell anyone because I thought, know, worst case, I hate it and I really don't wanna have to be like, oh, well, I tried it, I don't like it, I'm gonna get rid of the troughs. So. Lyndsay Soprano (07:34.21) You better believe it, that is smart shopping now. Yes. Kris Rice (07:53.538) I brought it home and filled it with hose water because I knew nothing more to do with it. I was like, that's got to be cold enough. And so did that. And even that hose water was enough. So the hose water in springtime, was it was a little over two years ago. And I got out of that water with a smile on my face, feeling better than I had ever felt. And I was like, she was right. Like that was the thing. Lyndsay Soprano (08:17.922) Wow. Kris Rice (08:19.307) And so it literally was in the space of this little eyesore of a Rubbermaid trough that I dreamt up how it could be different. And that's where I built ChillPod, was literally in the water in that. Lyndsay Soprano (08:31.064) That is amazing. You didn't tell me that part of the story. No, and I'm so glad you did it, because it took me by surprise and I'm stoked on that. But one of the things like, and I was talking about when I was opening up about my like, my only time alone is when I'm in my pool in the morning. And in fact, the other day, my sweetie's like, what if you think if I like join you in the pool, I'm like, what are you talking about? No, this is the only place that I'm tethered. I'm swimming, I've got music going, I'm in my jam. Kris Rice (08:33.209) I didn't? Kris Rice (08:44.727) Yeah. Yeah. Kris Rice (08:51.129) Mm-mm. That is not an option on the table. Lyndsay Soprano (08:59.278) And it's the only place where my body feels 100 % free, not necessarily of the pain that I'm in, but it makes me feel like I'm exercising, I'm contributing better into my health. It's super good for my noodle and my anxiety, just the water and its life force and the bubbles that are coming out of my nose. There's just something about it that has really shifted me over the past nine months now, every morning I swim. And it's like in the beginning, it was like, you've got to be kidding me. Kris Rice (09:12.237) Mm-hmm. Kris Rice (09:24.139) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Kris Rice (09:28.813) Yeah. Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (09:28.994) I'm not doing this. I could swim for like five minutes and I'm like, I'm bored. I'm done. Like I've got other things to do today. And then it was like 10 minutes and then I built myself up and now I've got a playlist on Spotify called my swim jam and I'm in there sometimes for an hour and a half and I'm like, I have to get out already? Yeah. So I built that up and I it at a therapy temperature at 90 degrees. So I do the opposite side of you. Yeah. Kris Rice (09:33.027) Mm-hmm Kris Rice (09:43.758) my gosh. I love that. Kris Rice (09:50.903) Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's okay. That's okay. Lyndsay Soprano (09:55.33) So can we get into why the heck this actually works? Not in our Rubbermaid troughs per se. Kris Rice (09:58.554) In something more cleanly, a little more cleanliness from the water. Exactly, exactly. Well, and it does sound almost like too good to be true, you know, where you're like... Lyndsay Soprano (10:05.55) FBI is looking at like she's buying rubber things. She's buying rope. Are you buying any shovels? Like you're on some crazy list. Lyndsay Soprano (10:19.138) course. Kris Rice (10:21.049) A, it has to be hard, it has to take all this time. There is no way that one thing can make you feel that different. Like all of those things are very natural reactions to it. But the reality is, A, I think at a base level, like when you were saying that I was thinking about this, how water itself is just like a very healing substance, right? Like when we wrap ourselves in and surround ourselves with water, no matter really where it is, I feel like there is that element of like, Lyndsay Soprano (10:31.448) Sure, yeah. Kris Rice (10:49.485) you're cleansing yourself, you're removing the things you don't want. Like there's an element of just like letting go. So I do think like from a war woo perspective, like there is something to the water, right? So yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (10:58.414) Yeah, it's kind of like a baptism, if you will. Like you get in if you're into that thing, but with our own personal version of it. Because I go in and I'm like, I'm going to take on the day. I'm going to get rid of whatever the heck was pissing me off that night that I didn't sleep through, you know, and I get through and my day is so much better. If I miss my swim. Oh, my gosh, I am doing in the evening. But if I miss it in the morning, it definitely changes my it changes the trajectory of how I handle things. Yeah. Yeah. Kris Rice (11:05.11) Exactly. Kris Rice (11:09.42) Exactly. Kris Rice (11:15.513) Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Well, your body gets used to those things. It knows to expect that and be like, okay, we're letting that go now so that we don't have to bring it into the day and it's hard to... Exactly. Exactly. But from a cold water perspective, the thing that I really believe is the most impactful for us is your nervous system reset. So what truly happens when you go in the cold water, you're intentionally putting yourself in fight or flight. Lyndsay Soprano (11:29.506) Yup. Right, and you're like, wait, crap, I didn't do it. Kris Rice (11:53.336) You've got fight or flight around you because of all the construction workers. We've got it around us at all points in time. You have an opportunity. Lyndsay Soprano (11:59.234) Yeah, and of course when they're living in chronic pain, that's where I am and so many of our listeners are as well. Yeah Kris Rice (12:02.925) Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Exactly. And so when you're in that state to be able to really, picture it like a light switch, like you literally are just flicking it real quick and then it's just resetting things. So when you go in the water, your body feels that intensity. there's really not a way to not be in the present moment. If it is really cold, you are in your body, you are right there. And so in a lot of ways, I feel like it has a meditative element to it just because you're listening to your body's needs in that moment and hopefully honoring those and letting those kind of guide your practice. And so when you're doing that, you're able to know, okay, my body's had the right amount of good stress exposed to it. And then you get to that point where you're like, nope, I am ready to get out now. And when you get out, your body immediately shifts out of fight or flight and you become you step into that recovery space where your body is naturally warming up. And that's where all the resilience is built. So as your body, what you want to do is let it just warm up naturally, because then it learns, okay, I go through this stress, but I know exactly what to do afterwards. And it really like, it rewires your brain for how to handle every other stress that comes up in your life. Lyndsay Soprano (13:14.936) Mm-hmm. Kris Rice (13:22.007) And that is the thing that has been so wild to watch in my life and the lives of others around me as they do this practice. It's like you show up different in every other area of your life just because of this little fraction of time that you had, but you did a really hard thing. You did something super uncomfortable. It's not desirable, any of those things, but your body is literally thanking you for it and you're paying it forward and showing up differently throughout your entire day. Lyndsay Soprano (13:49.7) It's insane because you think about like two minutes, is it legitimately two minutes? Kris Rice (13:53.902) Mmm, such a good question. No, it does not have to be two minutes. No, it's such a good question because I think, you know, as humans, we just crave like an answer, right? You're like, I am in pain, I would like this answered and that will solve everything. And so the reality is no, you've got two things you can play with, you can play with the time and you can play with the temperature. So a big thing, kind of like Lyndsay Soprano (14:00.78) be a good or bad answer. Lyndsay Soprano (14:08.974) Of course, I want this done. Yeah. Yes. Right. Lyndsay Soprano (14:19.383) Okay. Kris Rice (14:22.281) circulating in the ethers right now is that women shouldn't be in cold water. So that's like a thing that is talked about, which I don't agree with. And so Lyndsay Soprano (14:26.795) Yes. Lyndsay Soprano (14:32.038) That's why we're here. I mentioned I want to debunk this because when I research it, it's like, come on, what? It is. I believe that probably men are writing this information. Really? Stick up for us, woman. Kris Rice (14:35.213) Yeah. Isn't it interesting? So Surprisingly, it was a female doctor that I heard it from. Yeah, I know. I know. I was like, I think that that's not right. But in all fairness, I am kind of joking about that. her premise was, and the general premise is like, women's bodies are more adaptable to heat than they are to cold. And so it's like too stressful on our systems to put it in cold. And so I will be honest, when I heard that, I was like, like did I have I been doing it wrong the whole time? Like have I been advocating for the wrong things? So I switched it. I like moved the temperature way up and I tried it and I was like, nothing. Like this is not doing the thing anymore. So the thing that I took away from that, so I went from just to give it like a little context, I guess. I usually do it, I usually plunge it about 45 and so I went up to like 65. So that's what she was recommending. And I just literally didn't feel anything. Lyndsay Soprano (15:10.274) No Right. Kris Rice (15:37.754) Now, I will say there, what you could do, and what I think is actually really interesting and fun, and I'm starting to play with is doing the higher temperature, but for longer. So maybe you sit in 70 degree water for 20 minutes, and that is a totally different experience than 45 for two minutes. So the reality is like, find what you like, what your body appreciates. And when you get out of there, you will instantly know like this was it or I don't feel any different. Lyndsay Soprano (15:48.174) Mm. Kris Rice (16:07.731) or it was too much, whatever that is, like your body will tell you. And I think that's something that's so cool about the practice is you don't have to wait like four weeks to be like, maybe it'll work. Maybe I'll see a difference. It's literally like you step out and you're like, well, I feel way better. Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (16:26.21) Wow. Well, and it kind of reminds me like actually, I used to be a really good skier until my body decided to crap out on me for the time being. But when you come out in those really cold ski days and you are just absolutely like frozen solid and you're like, my gosh, I just want my hot cocoa. But you go in and you get out to kick your skis off. You got to set them up on the rack. You got to go in. You're clunking in your boots. You're taking off your gear. You got helmets and your mittens and all your crap. Kris Rice (16:31.161) Mm-hmm. Mmm. Kris Rice (16:39.907) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (16:56.054) And you get into the lodge and you're getting there, your body is slowly starting to get warmer and warmer. All that tingle that you have in your tootsies and in your hands is starting to slowly do its thing while you're thinking about the big size of cookie that you're gonna get in the lodge and what have you. And you do feel really good. You're sitting there at lunch after like really hard half of a ski day and you're like, wow, I feel fricking groovy right now. Kris Rice (17:02.797) Mm-hmm. Kris Rice (17:09.299) Totally. Kris Rice (17:20.886) Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's not, it's not. I mean, because your body has built all those endorphins up. And even though it was doing really hard things, like it really, your... Lyndsay Soprano (17:24.172) Yeah, and it's not just because of the cookie. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (17:35.022) And I skied dangerously. That was just my family all skis dangerously. We've been out of bounds in a helicopter. Yeah. So some of that is that too, but yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Kris Rice (17:39.258) It's probably adrenaline too. Which is good too, right? Like in moderation, that's great for you too. But yeah, to some degree it is. It's just really like natural, almost like just natural endorphins and things that are coming to the rescue to be like, congratulations, you did that. Lyndsay Soprano (18:01.102) Yeah, you did that. You did not get pulled over by the cops on the the mountain cops, you know, because we used to jump from chairlifts. We were freaking crazy. All we needed to do was avoid getting our lift ticket pulled. That's all we tried to do out of the day. By the end of the day, if we were able to accomplish that, we were good. So how does this help? How does this cold exposure plunging? How does this help with actual? Kris Rice (18:07.846) my gosh. Kris Rice (18:19.743) I love it. Lyndsay Soprano (18:29.57) physical pain when the chronic pain department. Kris Rice (18:30.681) Yeah, so a big one is how much it can reduce your inflammation. So obviously inflammation is at the core of really all pain, right? So the reality is that the cold exposure will constrict your blood vessels and then it's gonna slow your inflammatory responses. So your pain is really just lessened because it never comes up to that level. It's just kept lower. Lyndsay Soprano (18:36.686) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (19:00.43) sounds amazing. Kris Rice (19:00.683) It also can actually numb your overall nerve pain. So it's kind of like a natural painkiller, which, you know, when you think of being out in the cold and stuff too, right? Like your skin does, it kind of like becomes numb to what it's around. then, yep, yep. And then you get back out and you're like, okay, you know, yeah. Exactly. Lyndsay Soprano (19:15.822) Yeah, it almost feels like icy hot. Yeah. Oh, okay, all right, that's good. It was weird for a minute. I'm not sure if my skin's burning off right now or not. Yeah. Well, what's so interesting is I have, so for the past couple years with what I have with this, which is called CRPS, chronic regional pain syndrome, it sounds fake, but it's not. And it, I've had to say that line a lot, by the way. Kris Rice (19:27.322) Right? Right? Kris Rice (19:40.345) Hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (19:40.878) But what I've done is my feet burn all the time. Some of it, know, quote unquote neuropathy, but it is like the most intense neuropathy that you could possibly imagine. And it's through my entire body. So think about neuropathy pain in your hands, in your teeth, in your nose, in your ears, everywhere. I'm just a walking neuropath. And one of the things that I've done over the years is I use these ice booties and I've been putting my feet in them and over time I only use them like a Kris Rice (19:44.284) Mm, right. Kris Rice (20:01.197) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (20:10.286) couple hours at night. And then it was, I've been using them like while I'm sleeping, while I'm sitting at my desk. And what I ended up doing is actually frying my skin from the amount, like frostbite. Like I gave myself frostbite on my feet. And so I've been slowly pulling away from the cold, the ice cold on my feet 24 hours a We're talking about my skin. Come on woman. Like you're too smart for this stuff. Kris Rice (20:11.481) huh. Mmm. Kris Rice (20:18.777) Really? Kris Rice (20:29.771) Yeah. Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (20:33.368) So what I've done is I backed out entirely from that practice and I'm only doing them in very short increments really quickly. And it is actually helping far more than me having that constant trying to help the pain go away. Instead, my body is like, no, you're good. You had cold therapy for two minutes. Usually it's about 10. In fact, they've been under my desk and I just took them off. So that was probably 20 minutes. Kris Rice (20:44.055) Interesting. Huh. Kris Rice (21:00.377) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (21:00.782) And then they'll start to warm up again and they're feeling better throughout my entire day than they used to because all I was doing just I was like, it's burning, it's burning, it's burning. I'm like, you're burning yourself, woman. So it's just interesting how that I understand that debunking part because this is legitimately not healthy what I've been doing. But what you're talking about is amazing. And it also helps with infections as well. Right. Or can. Moon system. Kris Rice (21:03.171) Yeah. Kris Rice (21:12.503) Yeah, yeah. Kris Rice (21:20.781) Right. Kris Rice (21:26.745) Yeah, can, well, it boosts your immune system overall. I mean, literally, since I've done it, okay, I'm gonna knock on wood just in case, but I have not gotten sick in a major way since I started cold plunging, and it was two and a half years ago. And I mean, I have younger kids, they bring home stuff from school all the time, all of that stuff, like it has not been a thing. So it absolutely can boost your immune system. Now I will always say it. Lyndsay Soprano (21:30.701) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (21:34.43) I'm a knock on wood too. Do do do do do, everybody knock on wood. Lyndsay Soprano (21:42.829) Wow. Lyndsay Soprano (21:46.946) God, they're gross. Kris Rice (21:56.314) I am not a doctor, by all means, take my information with a grain of salt too. But I can tell you from real experience that that is the case, and it's certainly proven in their research too. Lyndsay Soprano (22:04.088) Sure. Lyndsay Soprano (22:08.238) Well, yeah, think I looked at John Hopkins and Mayo Clinic that were talking specifically about that. With me with Lyme and EBV with Epstein-Barr virus, know, I've got those two really amazing bastards that are just having a big fun time in my body. It's just a parasite party every day here. I literally can feel it in my legs. It's like science fiction some nights, last night and the night before were like that. But. Kris Rice (22:11.769) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Kris Rice (22:20.93) Mm-hmm. Kris Rice (22:24.483) I'm Kris Rice (22:28.217) Mmm. Lyndsay Soprano (22:34.05) I'm looking forward so much to this because I mean, you and I have been going back and forth about this for a couple of months, but it's been something that I wanted to find out if we can have it inside the home or can it be inside and outside the home? Because not everybody has space. It's not gigantic and you have two versions of it, correct? Kris Rice (22:39.203) Yeah. Kris Rice (22:48.665) Totally. No. So we actually are focusing on one. So you're right. At one point on the site, was there were two different lids really was the thing. Yeah, exactly. It's just a different something. But we definitely there are different colors. So there is that so you can like make it work with your space and all of that. But yeah, you're right. You can go inside and out and it can actually go through a standard doorway. So like if you want it to be Lyndsay Soprano (22:54.434) Okay. Lyndsay Soprano (22:59.104) Right. It's like different toilets. Just a different type of It's far sexier than a toilet, guys. Kris Rice (23:20.505) in a covered space in the winter, cause you're like, I don't want to get rained on or snowed on in there. You can do that and then move it back outside in the summer months, things like that. So yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah. Yep. No issue at all. Lyndsay Soprano (23:30.008) but it can get rained on and snowed on, that's amazing. Yeah, because I think about just where I would put it, right? And I'm like, I have a fairly decent sized home and I have what I've created as my wellness room. And then there I have an infrared sauna. And we've been under construction, like I said, for so long. Kris Rice (23:40.206) Yeah. Kris Rice (23:45.835) Mmm, yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (23:51.128) that right now every room is like a storage room to a certain extent because we're like moving boxes from here. And now I am packing up stuff right now to move to another room today when I'm done with this. So I'm moving from moving again. It's just like driving me crazy. And so I'm trying to create this beautiful wellness room and this space where I can put a lock on the door and say, nobody come in here because this is for me. And he gets his man cave and I get my wellness room, right? That's good. Kris Rice (23:54.499) Got it, yeah. Kris Rice (24:08.748) Yeah. Kris Rice (24:14.84) Yeah. Exactly. Love it. Lyndsay Soprano (24:19.432) And so that was one of my questions is, does it have to be indoors? Because we have space outside, which should be great, but it's also really warm in Southern California. And so I don't know, it better to do it indoors or outdoors? Does it even matter? Kris Rice (24:22.903) No. Yeah. Kris Rice (24:27.927) Yeah. Kris Rice (24:33.835) It's a great question. think it really comes down to personal preference. So from like the system itself, the chiller is going to take care of everything for you as far as keeping the water, the temperature you want and clean. So like you don't have to worry about that component. It'll have to work less if you have an inside than if you have it out. But otherwise, it's really personal preference. And I personally find this is most people don't like this. This is an unpopular opinion, but I think it's actually easier. Lyndsay Soprano (24:36.814) Sure. Lyndsay Soprano (25:02.35) and I love it. Kris Rice (25:03.289) Okay, good. Already before hearing it. I actually love doing it in like the colder months because there's less of a temperature difference from getting out. Mine is outside. So from outside to the water where when it's warmer, it can feel like an extra like shock to your system. Much like if you went from your sauna to the cold plunge like Lyndsay Soprano (25:07.342) Okay, that's true. That's fair. Lyndsay Soprano (25:25.07) Sure. Kris Rice (25:28.609) it's extra cold then, if it's a hundred degrees out and you get in the water, like that's a big difference in temperature. So yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (25:34.398) Right, because it's 90 degrees today here right now where I am. And I'm like, can't even imagine getting, and I swim in 90 degree pool at my therapeutic temperature. And so then I do that and then I go in the jacuzzi and then I go in the sauna. Like I have my full ritual and now I'm like, and now I'm gonna add a chill pad. Now, so that's what I was gonna ask. In that kind of a sequence, is that what you would recommend that I do? Okay. Kris Rice (25:39.927) Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Kris Rice (25:48.621) I love it. Yeah. Yep. Yep. You can you can end with the chill pod. Yeah. Kris Rice (25:59.618) It is, yeah it is. So basically you wanna build up the heat in your body to then flush it out. So you're gonna bring up all, it really helps you detox your system. Cause obviously the infrared is like bringing up all the things and then the cold water is gonna flush it out. yeah. I'm so excited for you. Lyndsay Soprano (26:03.616) Okay, that's amazing. Lyndsay Soprano (26:09.976) Sure. Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (26:16.524) I'm so excited. I'm beyond so excited. I know, I know we've been going back and forth about it and the product is so incredibly sexy. I mean, the design of it, the architectural design of it is insane. How long did that take you to get the design like put together? Kris Rice (26:25.133) I know. Kris Rice (26:33.693) It was a winding road for sure. mean, I had, so I had a ton of ideas in my head and well, actually you'll appreciate this because you're in construction. I, or under construction right now, you're not in it. I didn't either, but what was it? A year and a half ago, there was a huge ice storm here. I'm in Oregon and it like wiped out everything, including our bathroom. So it basically froze and Lyndsay Soprano (26:36.852) Hahaha! Lyndsay Soprano (26:45.794) Thank you, I'm not in it and I don't want to have anything to do with being in it. Kris Rice (27:02.829) blasted water everywhere and destroyed our bathroom. And so I was talking to, I had these ideas of how I wanted it to look, but it wasn't coming out right. And so one day I just like was chit chatting with our contractor and I was like, so here's the thing, like I'm building this cold plunge and I want it to be different. I want it to be made for women primarily and all of this stuff. And I'm like dumping these ideas and he's like, you need a product designer. And I was like. that. So I got aligned with a product design team who really was able to take all of my ideas and then create three different ideas for me or shapes and sizes for me and when I saw the egg-like shape of the pod I was like that's it. Lyndsay Soprano (27:45.602) Well, it's absolutely dynamite looking. Like I said, it's very, very sexy. You can have it in any room. Honestly, it's that beautiful. Come on, guys. We've got 20 people coming over for a party. You guys want a cold plunge? Let's do this thing. You mentioned you were really focusing on women. Is there a specific reason behind that? Kris Rice (27:59.16) Hehehehehe Kris Rice (28:06.697) So really the reason was that I feel like the dudes are served, like they're constantly given the information, they're constantly the ones that are the products are made with them in mind. And honestly, like when you look at just the market, right, they look very masculine, like that is just the case. And so I would sit in my plunge or my tub and just think about like what, my little trough. I wish I still had it. Yeah, I know I should have. Lyndsay Soprano (28:29.804) My Rubbermaid Traw. Me too. Kris Rice (28:36.313) But I would think about like, what would make other women want to do this? I was like the prototype of I don't want to get in there. I genuinely hate cold water. What would make me want to? And a lot of it came down to the aesthetics and then the human experience. So I just I can't remember if we've talked about this or not, but it has a chair inside of it. so so many of them in a barrel style. It takes less space, but you literally are like squatting in a Lyndsay Soprano (28:56.003) Yes, yeah. Kris Rice (29:03.981) bucket. Like it's not a not an attractive thing. So I was like, no woman wants to do that in her bathing suit. So like, give me a seat and I can sit cross legged in it and feel good about it. No. So I wanted your body to be held in a very uncomfortable position and dynamic. Like how could you make that? Lyndsay Soprano (29:09.774) No! It's not her marketing tagline. Kris Rice (29:26.015) more appealing. And the aesthetics of it were a lot like I wanted it to be something that upleveled your space because I had so many conversations with people when they'd come to my backyard and we're like sitting there having dinner together and it was just an eyesore right like we're talking about this silly trough and like I was like what if it could be different what if it was something that like upleveled your space and like complemented all of your design and made it look Lyndsay Soprano (29:27.022) Yeah. Kris Rice (29:50.422) even more beautiful. And like you said, like it was an it was inviting. I just wanted it to be something that was like, Ooh, maybe I do want to try that because it actually looks beautiful. So Lyndsay Soprano (29:51.916) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (29:59.212) I mean, and it absolutely does. I mean, it's gorgeous. I'm just looking forward to this whole experience. Because like I mentioned earlier, I've been making these significant changes. And one of them is I'm just sick and tired of being sick and tired. And I'm trying just a whole bunch of new different things. And a lot of it is more in the energy healing space. And like I mentioned in the beginning, Reiki and all these things, because the other crap just hasn't been working. And I keep trying it and trying it. And then I just stopped. Kris Rice (30:02.807) Thank you. I can't wait. Kris Rice (30:14.359) Yeah. Kris Rice (30:20.504) Yeah. Kris Rice (30:25.741) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (30:28.386) And I'm like, I gotta get myself to a baseline. And then once I get there, then I know what I'm really working with. And I'm just, this is so intriguing to me. I can't wait. Yeah. Kris Rice (30:39.393) Well, kudos to you for doing that work. That has been a huge part of my journey as well. And I don't think a lot of people talk about it. Like all the energy modalities that are out there and can create massive change to really just like help you get out of your own way sometimes. It just depends. So. Lyndsay Soprano (30:57.165) 100%. And this season in particular has turned into just this monumental, I've been manifesting so much stuff, not just for the show, but for my life, but it is bringing so many people into this show and into my life by proxy from meeting these people that it's altered things in an actually fairly swift way that's almost kind of frightening. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold the phone, this isn't true. Kris Rice (31:04.121) Noooo Kris Rice (31:12.601) Sure. Kris Rice (31:18.573) Yes. Yeah. Kris Rice (31:25.133) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (31:25.184) I was down to a P4, which has been for me probably about four or five years. And I've been pretty stuck on a four for the past week and a half. And I know that doesn't sound like a very long span of time, but a week and a half being in a P4 for me is like, I was dancing the other day in the background, in the backyard really quick. Like I did like a pirouette. When was the last time I was able to even get on my tippy toes to do one pirouette? And so it was a really beautiful feeling and Kris Rice (31:30.659) Okay. Kris Rice (31:35.565) Mm-hmm. Kris Rice (31:45.465) Lyndsay Soprano (31:53.942) all the things that are coming into our world like this as well. It's really cool. I'm so glad that you're here. Kris Rice (32:00.638) I'm so glad to be here. And I honestly will say, I attribute the energy work that I've done alongside all of the other practices for having gotten where I have in the amount of time I have. Because I built this business in under two years now, and it literally, it's insane. It really is. And it's only because like, Lyndsay Soprano (32:14.722) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (32:19.982) That's insane. It's insane. Kris Rice (32:25.913) I keep being very clear about what I want. I can feel that in my body. call that in and it's people around me have literally commented on it. They're like, we have this situation that comes up like some challenge and then literally like the next day it's like, well, here's your answer. And it might not be the one that sticks, but it's like, it all leads in the right place. And so like, once you get into that place, it is like these quantum leaps to where you go. Lyndsay Soprano (32:49.11) Yeah, and I like that you use the word quantum because we've been using that word in almost every single episode so far. It's been pretty interesting. What's coming out actually is like the next. Well, the rest of this season is just it's unfolding in front of me. And it's like I said, it's almost I'm trying to keep up with it to a certain extent because it's so powerful and it's so amazing as people like you that are here for the people like myself and our listeners. And we really appreciate that. I do have a question in regards to OK. Kris Rice (32:53.718) I love it. Kris Rice (33:05.431) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (33:17.848) So I know that you had women in mind for this, but can dude use it? This is not a dude free zone, okay? Kris Rice (33:22.745) 100%. So sometimes I actually like caution myself to, no, not at all. actually it goes up to the current version will future, future will be even a larger one for more like elite athletes and things like that. But the current one, you can be up to six, five and still fit in it comfortably. Yeah. So you, I say women were the inspiration. And then I was like, this is a whole, this is for all people. These are for all bodies. And Lyndsay Soprano (33:40.492) Whoa, that's nuts. Lyndsay Soprano (33:45.144) sure. Okay, just wanted to clarify, because we love our dudes, okay? Yeah. Kris Rice (33:51.008) Nope, for sure. And, and you know, we threw in the charcoal color. So like dudes are served. They've got their dark color. Exactly. And tons of women apparently like the dark color too. I was so pleasantly surprised. I love it. Lyndsay Soprano (33:57.39) Hey, tons of dudes like pink, okay? Absolutely, my whole house is like black and gold and white and yeah, it's not very feminine. I've had some feminine touches, but. And you know, we talk a lot about like bodies that are in inflammation. We talk about trauma. We talk about chronic pain. We talk about all the things that we're trying to solve. But the people that are around us that do care for us on the daily, my sweetie being one of them, he is burnt out right now. Kris Rice (34:09.665) Me too. Exactly. Exactly. Kris Rice (34:32.761) Mm. Lyndsay Soprano (34:33.874) I burnt out with my crap, with my bod. We both are. And a lot of it's the house and all of this stuff too. But the people that don't necessarily think that they've got a lot going on, how can you speak to them about how this would be beneficial to them just from a burnout perspective? Like how does that help us? When everybody, quite frankly, but I do want to give some kudos out to the people that do suffer from our suffering. Kris Rice (35:02.615) Yeah, I think exactly. And we're here to help you too. You know, I don't, I don't know if your partner is similar to mine, but mine often, I kind of take the lead and finding the things that support me in different ways. And then he will come up to speed on that. So, and usually it comes with some like heavy seasons of doubt. Lyndsay Soprano (35:03.948) We see you and we recognize you. Yes. Yes. Lyndsay Soprano (35:23.064) sort. Yes. Yes, similar. Kris Rice (35:32.185) I'm like, really? Lyndsay Soprano (35:32.366) 100%, that's my infrared sauna. He's like, I'm not doing that damn thing. Are you crazy? And now he's in there for like 20 minutes. He doesn't like it. He doesn't like it, but he'll go in there a couple of times a week for 20 minutes. And that was like insane to get that to happen. Kris Rice (35:36.119) Yeah. Now is he in it? Mm-hmm. Yep. Kris Rice (35:43.822) Yeah. Yeah. And I think that I, so I guess I'll go to my husband in that scenario where, you know, there were definitely seasons where he was like, nope, I will not meditate. I will not do those things. And that's fine. Like that is okay. But I think cold water can be so accessible to so many people. So that's one thing that I love so much about it is it's quick. Lyndsay Soprano (36:03.736) Sure. Kris Rice (36:07.487) you can access it anywhere. So a cold shower can definitely get you started and you can do that for yourself and no one has to know about it. You can just end your shower with that and you don't even have talk about it. Like it's fine, you know, it's more not so much about cold showers, but just about spending that time on yourself. Right. And so being able to give back to yourself and not have to worry that it's like depleting anyone else. And so I think Lyndsay Soprano (36:19.454) It's fine, people getting all worked up about cold showers? I didn't know this was a problem. Lyndsay Soprano (36:29.368) So, yeah. Kris Rice (36:37.185) It's just such a reminder of the things we do allow us to show up the most powerfully for other people. And that's not the reason we need to show up for ourselves first, but I think it gives us the access and ability to actually do that for others when we feel better. And so that happened in my house. I mean, he thought I was the most baddie for bringing that trough home. And it only took like three days and he was like, I don't know, like maybe I'll try it. yeah, and then, and he's, he's hooked from there on. And I really think the interesting thing to me is that, you know, there are certainly a ton of mental benefits, there's a ton of physical benefits. And I think wherever your body is needing that, it's sort of where it's met in that time, like he had a ton of back pain and he would store all his stress there and it would just... Lyndsay Soprano (37:06.57) Really? That's insane. Kris Rice (37:29.855) linger and he couldn't get it to move for anything. He would try a bunch of different stuff and it would just if one little bit of stress came back away it went again and so the cold water he now knows he's like nope I know it's there it's just stress I'm gonna be okay but I'm gonna go plunge and then I'll feel better and so you know I have had more of the mental benefits definitely but the physical is great too I just think those outweigh it for me and physical outweighs it for him so It's really interesting how it can really like meet you where you are and it can change in your seasons too. It is, it is. No, just, call it, it's her. Like she definitely is a girl. I guess we just call it the pod actually. I'm gonna, yeah, the pod. Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (38:04.654) That pretty amazing. Do you have a nickname for yours? Lyndsay Soprano (38:11.534) Okay, that's why I'm gonna go in her like what the hell Lyndsay Soprano (38:19.48) The pod, okay. I'm just curious, like for example, have our dogs because of under construction, I've got my dogs in the studio and they've been very, very good guys. You guys have been amazing. But they're in this bed behind me and it's called the Ritz. So I was just curious to see if, kind of feel like maybe your guys should start calling it the Ritz. Kris Rice (38:26.35) Yeah. No. Kris Rice (38:33.313) Yeah, yeah, I might need to up level that. Yeah, yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (38:40.248) We have names and stupid names for stupid things in our entire household. Like it's just, it does. We're like, all right, go put the kids in the red. So, my God, this has been amazing. Okay, so we can find my darling Chris at, well, she's all over the place, but you can go to her website, which is thechillpod.co. Why is it just CO? Cause it's gonna throw me for a loop. No, I'm kidding. Kris Rice (38:45.109) it gives it meaning. Yeah. Kris Rice (39:06.593) because if you go to thechillpod.com, you're not gonna like what you see. No, it's not at all. It's like a little baby inflatable tub. It's actually adjacent. Lyndsay Soprano (39:11.788) Now everyone's gonna go. Don't do that. Please don't go there. I feel like it's gonna be some kind of gross sex thing. okay. That's funny. All right, so the ChillPod.co, C-O, no babies allowed. yeah, can little children go in these things? What's the age? What's the age, the youngest that you would've? Okay. Kris Rice (39:28.857) I I mean, I wouldn't do little kids. I would say, I would say like 10 or higher for sure. I mean, I know especially like young athletes and stuff, they'll definitely leverage, you know, the old school ice in a trough. It all goes back to that. But yeah, yep. No, kids can definitely do it. Watch them, obviously. Lyndsay Soprano (39:45.912) Sure, yeah, Ice and a trough. It started with ice and a horse trough. Lyndsay Soprano (39:54.582) I love it. I love it. my gosh. Well, you there was something on your website that I read that I really liked, which is whether you seek stillness or strength, your recovery begins here. And I really love that, especially the part about stillness, because we lose so much within our lives. just forget like we're just we're running, we're running, we're going, we're going. We've got soccer moms are losing their minds. We've got non soccer moms that are losing their minds. We've got all moms losing their minds. We have people that are Kris Rice (40:21.015) Hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (40:24.342) losing their mind. And we forget that in that stillness, we can grow. And like I was mentioning earlier, these things that I'm doing from an energy perspective, and these little micro practices that I've been working on, have really started to make some movement. And it's almost a little scary because I'm like, I have to question whether what am I going to be like if I end up not being in pain. And it's a really interesting question that I'm seeking. Kris Rice (40:48.665) Mmm. Lyndsay Soprano (40:52.332) and I'm journaling with and I'm working on because it's like, my gosh, I'm so used to being in pain. What am I gonna be like if I'm not? So I love that the, I know it is, it's also tear-jerker. But seeking that stillness and that strength in recovering begins here. And I really love that, so yeah. Kris Rice (40:52.505) Yeah. Kris Rice (40:58.733) Yeah, how exciting. Yeah. Kris Rice (41:08.857) Yeah, I'm so glad, I'm so glad. I mean, I think really the stillness is the practice, like no different than meditation. If you can get still and be with your body and listen to its needs, then you have that dialogue through the whole rest of your life. And so it can be hard to connect with that, but I think in the stillness is where that happens. Lyndsay Soprano (41:14.637) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (41:23.704) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (41:28.27) Agreed 100%. This has been amazing. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah, this has been fun. All right. Well, thank you so much. You are exclusively exclusively invited to share this chillaxing nervous system reset VIP pain journey together. Let's get to the heart of how to heal with you by my side. Please follow the pain game podcast wherever you digest your podcast content. We will be there. Kris Rice (41:29.803) Mm-hmm. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. It was awesome. 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