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Precious brothers Orrin and Orson West. 3 and 4 years old VANISH, still missing after a year. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I hate to hit you
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  Speaker 1: with the bad news at the beginning of the new year,
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  Speaker 1: but the search for missing children goes on twenty four seven,
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  Speaker 1: three sixty five, including today. Let's take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: It's been nearly a year since authorities and volunteers began
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  Speaker 1: searching for two young boys or in an Orson West
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  Speaker 1: in California City. Bakersfield Police officials releasing an update on
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  Speaker 1: the case this week. The department says since June, they've
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  Speaker 1: executed four more search warrants, interviewed thirty three more people, conducted,
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  Speaker 1: eleven more mass area searches, and four out of state searches.
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  Speaker 1: Over one hundred seventy items have also been collected since
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  Speaker 1: BPD announced they were taking over the investigation in March.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing twenty three ABC in Bakersville. How did
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  Speaker 1: we get here? Listen? You said you were searching for
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  Speaker 1: two missing boys, ages three and four. The children Orson
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  Speaker 1: West and or In West were last seen in the
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  Speaker 1: ten thousand, seven hundred bloc of Aspen Avenue. They're described
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  Speaker 1: as African American about three feet tall, both wearing black
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  Speaker 1: sweatshirts and gray sweatpants. You were just hearing our friends
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  Speaker 1: at KGET seventeen news that was Taylor Shop. And what
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Shop said breaks my heart because I'm thinking of
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  Speaker 1: my children, John, David and Lucy at age three. They're
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  Speaker 1: twins at three feet tall. Where these two wearing black
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  Speaker 1: sweatshirts and gray sweatpants. Now, how does not one little
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  Speaker 1: child disappear, say, at the shopping mall or at the playground?
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  Speaker 1: How to two of them just disappear? With me an
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  Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it
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  Speaker 1: back together again. Let me tell you first a name
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  Speaker 1: you know very well. A hero and advocate, Mark Klass,
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  Speaker 1: the founder of Class Kids Foundation who's devoted his life
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  Speaker 1: to finding missing people, especially children, at the disappearance of
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  Speaker 1: his little girl, Polly. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer
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  Speaker 1: at NC Domestic Law dot com. Doctor ANGELA Arnold, renowned
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  Speaker 1: psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela
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  Speaker 1: Arnold MD dot com. You know this name very well.
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, founder and Director of the Cold Case Research Institute,
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  Speaker 1: and crime scene expert. Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville
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  Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
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  Speaker 1: But first we're going to a special guest joining us
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  Speaker 1: Bayon Wang with twenty three ABC in Bakersville. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Byon first of all, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: I've covered so many missing people cases, especially children, and
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  Speaker 1: investigated them as a felony prosecutor in inner city Atlanta,
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  Speaker 1: and I usually see one child missing, one person missing.
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  Speaker 1: It's very rare, very rare, indeed, by On for two
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  Speaker 1: children to go missing at the same time, and it
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  Speaker 1: brings to mind, for instance, two little children playing in
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  Speaker 1: the front yard and they decide to walk down the
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  Speaker 1: street and then they're missing, or two children getting away
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  Speaker 1: from mommy at the shopping mall. I want to hear
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  Speaker 1: exactly what you can tell me surrounding the facts of
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  Speaker 1: this case, Byon Wang, because every fact, every single fact,
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  Speaker 1: means something, including the time of the day daylight or dark,
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  Speaker 1: the type of neighborhood, residential, apartment, tree lined, business district,
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  Speaker 1: shopping mall, every single thing matters. So Bayon Wing, first
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  Speaker 1: of all, tell me about the area where did they
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  Speaker 1: go missing. They went missing in California City, that's a
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  Speaker 1: population of about fourteen thousand It's surrounded by hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: miles of desert. It's the third largest land area in California.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean the third largest land area? I
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  Speaker 1: mean the whole state of California is land. What do
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  Speaker 1: you mean by the third largest Listen, Mayon, I appreciate
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  Speaker 1: your details, but I'm just a trial lawyer. You have
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  Speaker 1: to break it down for people like me. What do
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  Speaker 1: you mean the third largest land area? Well, Nancy, this
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  Speaker 1: community is in the middle of the Mahadi Desert. I
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  Speaker 1: mean you just go on Google Maps and we look
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  Speaker 1: at it and there's hundreds of miles of desert, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of it unoccupied. So this small township, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the community could imagine this case wang in on their hearts.
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  Speaker 1: They are desperate to find these little guys. And you
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  Speaker 1: know what else joining me twenty three ABC. I took
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  Speaker 1: the twins well on many RV trips, but one of
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  Speaker 1: them we went through the Mojave Desert and I remember stopping.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when you go in a federal park or
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  Speaker 1: national forest, there's always a big sign you're entering whatever
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  Speaker 1: Smokey Mountain, National Forest, and I remember, you're entering the
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  Speaker 1: Mojave Desert sign and we jumped out of the RV
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  Speaker 1: and took a picture with it, and then we drove
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  Speaker 1: and we drove and we drove and did not see
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  Speaker 1: a thing. Hold on beyond Wayne, because I want to
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  Speaker 1: go to our expert Mark Class Founder Class Kids at
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  Speaker 1: Class Kids dot org. Mark that presents a big problem.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, you've got a very small town, bigger
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  Speaker 1: than where I grew up, Mark Class, but still fourteen
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  Speaker 1: thousand rules out to an extent like strangers passing through.
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  Speaker 1: But then remember Mark Class, Liberty and Abigail and out
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  Speaker 1: in a park in Delphi. Very small town and they
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  Speaker 1: think it was a stranger. But you've got that factor
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  Speaker 1: Mark Class combined with as beyond Wang Bayon Wang just
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  Speaker 1: told us huge expanse of desert, nobody living there. That
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  Speaker 1: presents a problem Mark Class defying this three and four
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  Speaker 1: year old little boy. Indeed it does, Nancy, And to prefaces,
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to say that, you know, even with COVID
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  Speaker 1: going around the world like it is and really restricting
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  Speaker 1: everybody's movements, Class Kids Foundation has had our busiest gear
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  Speaker 1: ever with missing child cases. So this is a crime
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  Speaker 1: that endures and just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. Now,
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  Speaker 1: back to what you said. You know, there's generally about
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and five to one hundred and fifteen stereotypical
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  Speaker 1: kidnappings in the United States in a given year. And
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  Speaker 1: when I say stereotypical stranger kidnappings, I mean somebody coming
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  Speaker 1: out of absolutely nowhere and taking the children. And in
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  Speaker 1: the vast majority of those cases, there's only one child involved,
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  Speaker 1: and more often than not, it would be a girl
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  Speaker 1: between six and twelve years old. Okay, wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: you got me drinking out of the the fire Hyde. It's
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  Speaker 1: too much, too fast. Hold on, I'm taking in everything
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  Speaker 1: you're saying, which contradicts everything about this case that Bayon
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  Speaker 1: Wang is telling us, and he's absolutely correct. Okay, let
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  Speaker 1: me pick it up from where you dropped off that
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  Speaker 1: that much as soaks in and and go ahead. Okay you well,
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  Speaker 1: so we're in a situation here where as as Bayon said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you've got a massive land mask and you've
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  Speaker 1: got two tiny little children, just tiny little children, and
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  Speaker 1: we have to figure out where on that land mass
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  Speaker 1: or in that land mass those children are, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: above ground and they're thriving someplace, or whether they harm
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  Speaker 1: has been done to them and they've been buried. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the way you say that, Mark Class, it just, you know,
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  Speaker 1: trills off the tip of your tongue because you're used
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  Speaker 1: to it, saying that a three and a four year
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  Speaker 1: old little child could be buried somewhere. But for people
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  Speaker 1: that don't deal with it every day like you do,
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  Speaker 1: like I do, like everybody on this panel does, that's
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  Speaker 1: a tough that's a tough pill to swallow, what you said.
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  Speaker 1: But you're absolutely correct. We're talking about two little children,
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  Speaker 1: just three and four years old. Straight Back to you
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  Speaker 1: Byon Wang, twenty three ABC News. Okay, we went off
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  Speaker 1: on a tangent, but that was important because if these
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  Speaker 1: children are somehow bay on out in the middle or
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  Speaker 1: even at the edge of this desert, if somehow they've
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  Speaker 1: got there, it's over. They cannot survive crime stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, the tipline regarding these two little children
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  Speaker 1: missing is seven six zero three seven three eight six
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  Speaker 1: zero six repeat seven six zero three seven three eight
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  Speaker 1: six zero six. Back to you by on Wayne Reporter,
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  Speaker 1: twenty three ABC. I get the area. Were they in
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  Speaker 1: a home, an apartment, a mall? What can you tell
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  Speaker 1: me about that? Yeah, so they were reported missing out
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  Speaker 1: of their home. Their adoptive parents, Jaqueline and Trazelle West,
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  Speaker 1: reported them missing from their home. Essentially, they say that
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  Speaker 1: the kids were playing with chalk in their backyard, in
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  Speaker 1: the sunt yard in the back yard of their home,
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  Speaker 1: and then boom, they suddenly disappeared. The father, Triselle, says
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  Speaker 1: it was essentially gathering wood to start a fire while
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  Speaker 1: the mother was wrapping Christmas presence for the boys. Twenty
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  Speaker 1: three ABC. Do you have children not yet? Okay, listen
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  Speaker 1: to me. You'll find out about this. But Jackie backed
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  Speaker 1: me up on this. When you're rapping or preparing Christmas gifts,
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  Speaker 1: you want the children to be somewhere else. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not going to go into one because it's very mysterious,
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  Speaker 1: but it's my understanding. The mom was wrapping Christmas gifts
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  Speaker 1: she sent three at four year old orson and or
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  Speaker 1: an outside. The dad was collecting firewood for a fireplace.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Cheryl McCollum, founder director Cold Case Researches,
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  Speaker 1: to shoot it sounds like a Christmas card really put
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  Speaker 1: building a fire fire in the fireplace, wrapping Christmas presents,
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  Speaker 1: sending the two little boys outside the place, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't see what's getting wrapped, and then all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden they're gone. I'm sorry, Go ahead, Cheryl, it's all
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  Speaker 1: too perfect. The minute I've heard it. What leaked out
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  Speaker 1: at me is Mom's wrapping Christmas gifts and Daddy is
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  Speaker 1: starting to fire and the children are doing artwork. That
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  Speaker 1: is bogan. Oh. I don't know what planet you come from,
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  Speaker 1: but that's exactly what we do around Christmas. And I
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  Speaker 1: try everything I can think of to get the children
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  Speaker 1: to go somewhere other than where I am because I'm
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  Speaker 1: working on you know what. But hold on, I hear
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying, Cheryl McCullum, So bayon, Am I right
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  Speaker 1: that mom was wrapping Christmas gifts? Nancy, that's what we're
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  Speaker 1: being told the parents. That's right. The mother said she
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  Speaker 1: was wrapping Christmas gifts during the time the boys want missing. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so what time of the day or night was it?
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  Speaker 1: The father says it was between four thirty and five
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  Speaker 1: o'clock in here in the West Coast. That's you know,
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  Speaker 1: sun setting at that point. To you Mark class, you're
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  Speaker 1: joining us from California, Is that right? It's dark by
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  Speaker 1: four thirty yeah, I know it's not dark at four thirty,
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  Speaker 1: but the sun does go down between four thirty and five.
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  Speaker 1: It gets very cold and very dark very quickly after that,
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  Speaker 1: so it's getting dark now. Jackie is waving at me
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  Speaker 1: frantically to clear up. Clear up. There are other children
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  Speaker 1: in the home, but mom only sent out these two
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  Speaker 1: to go play. Well, that makes perfect sense to me.
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  Speaker 1: When I'm wrapping Christmas gifts, I don't send David out
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  Speaker 1: to go play. I don't seen Grandmammy out to go play,
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  Speaker 1: because I'm not hiding anything from them, Jackie. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: it depends on the age of the children who gets
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  Speaker 1: sent away when you're prepping Christmas. You know, well, guys,
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  Speaker 1: jump in local guys. It's actually sorry. It's important to
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  Speaker 1: mention that the parents other four children were not home
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  Speaker 1: at the time. The parents they were on vaca. Are
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  Speaker 1: you happy now you're happy, She's happy, Okay, So that's
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  Speaker 1: not an issue. I got to jump in, jump because
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  Speaker 1: because I want to make sure what I was trying
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  Speaker 1: to say very clear, it was all too perfect. And
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  Speaker 1: again at four or thirty in the afternoon. Number one,
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  Speaker 1: you can wait to wrap gives at eleven o'clock at
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  Speaker 1: night when all the babies are You don't know that.
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  Speaker 1: You do not know that. If you think you've got
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  Speaker 1: a thirty minute segment where you can wrap Christmas gifts surreptitiously,
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  Speaker 1: then you jump on it. Look, you know what our
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  Speaker 1: household is so crazy. I was hiding and wrapping it
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  Speaker 1: all times of the day and night, morning noon for instance.
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  Speaker 1: When Amazon would come by at eleven am. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I was scrambling. So, I mean, I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: they did it, how this is all wrapped it together,
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  Speaker 1: But I do know this what Mark Kliss said at
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  Speaker 1: the beginning, very very unusual for two children to go
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  Speaker 1: missing at the same time. Just got more gun. Professor forensics,
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  Speaker 1: do you at least agree with that much? Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean it can be if you're wrapping gifts that
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  Speaker 1: can you know it can be a situation where you
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  Speaker 1: want to do it as discreetly as you possibly can.
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  Speaker 1: But back to what Bayon had said, he didn't he
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  Speaker 1: was very specific Nancy about these babies. He didn't say
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  Speaker 1: anything about the front yard. He said the backyard. And
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  Speaker 1: I think from an investigative standpoint, I'm thinking about this
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  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking who has access to the backyard in
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  Speaker 1: this case, and what's the configuration of the backyard. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you get a lot of places. I'm looking at the
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  Speaker 1: house right now, and the street is wide open to
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  Speaker 1: the front yard. I see a few homes that have,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, wrought iron gate in the front yard, but
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  Speaker 1: you can get walked right in through the driveway. And
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  Speaker 1: it's one of those residential suburban areas where behind your
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  Speaker 1: backyard is another house, and behind that one as another
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  Speaker 1: house if you looked at it from above. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there are thousands of houses that stretch out. So that's
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  Speaker 1: a good point beyond Wayne, Guys, we're getting into the
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  Speaker 1: details for a reason. I mean, Mark Klass, every detail matters.
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  Speaker 1: Would you agree with that? Of course, every detail matters.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, somebody else's backyard butts up to their backyard,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You remember when Isabel's Salice
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  Speaker 1: went missing. That was in a suburban neighborhood, and they
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  Speaker 1: had the big, solid fence surrounding their backyard and a
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  Speaker 1: gate to go into it. We've had so many cases
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  Speaker 1: where people's yards were totally enclosed, but somehow the children
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  Speaker 1: went missing. Do I have to say, Elizabeth Smart, she
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  Speaker 1: had this beautiful home her family lived in. Somebody managed
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  Speaker 1: to get the children. So it happens in all sorts
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  Speaker 1: of ways. The mom and dad jump in. You talked
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  Speaker 1: about how important the details are here and talking about
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  Speaker 1: those enclosed backyards. Well. An important note here is that
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  Speaker 1: the father says the panic set in when he noticed
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  Speaker 1: that he left the gate open. Okay, I hear you.
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  Speaker 1: I did not know that. Guys, take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friends. At ABC twenty three, Trazill West details the
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  Speaker 1: moment his two adopted boys, three year old Orson In
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  Speaker 1: four year old or In, went missing Monday night from
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  Speaker 1: their California City home. Moments before, West says he was
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  Speaker 1: gathering wood to start a fire. I looked the back gate.
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  Speaker 1: I'm throwing wood, bring it inside the house. My wife's inside.
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  Speaker 1: She was actually rapping gifts. So we thought it was
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  Speaker 1: a good idea that our youngest two go outside and
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  Speaker 1: played with chalk the back patio. Shortly after, West says
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  Speaker 1: he no longer saw the boys on the patio. He
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  Speaker 1: asked his wife, Jacqueline, if she saw them. She said no.
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  Speaker 1: That's when he says, panic set in. I realized that
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  Speaker 1: I lift the gate open, and our panic came inside
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  Speaker 1: house to house, me and my wife. Once that I
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  Speaker 1: hadn't put out, I got in the van. I looked
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  Speaker 1: down the street most directions. It was getting dark, getting cold,
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  Speaker 1: what said? He then called the police within minutes. Since then,
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  Speaker 1: California City Police, the FBI, and the current County Sheriff's
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  Speaker 1: office have been investigating. And also take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: Travail West speaking Take a listen. It was cold. I
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  Speaker 1: was gonna make a fire. It's a lot of woods
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  Speaker 1: area right here next to our house. I went up
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  Speaker 1: to the back gate. I'm throwing wood, bring it inside
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  Speaker 1: the house. My wife's inside. She was actually wrapping gifts.
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  Speaker 1: So we thought it was a good idea that they
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  Speaker 1: got our youngest to go outside and played with chalk
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  Speaker 1: on the back patio. Do not let them go on
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  Speaker 1: the dirt in the backyard and keep him close. So
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  Speaker 1: it was playing with chalk and came to the house.
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  Speaker 1: I saw them there one house. I came back out.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see them now. I immediately went back in
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  Speaker 1: asked my wife, did you see the boys? She said, no,
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  Speaker 1: they should be outside playing, which hawk I said, well,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't see them. So I came back outside and
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  Speaker 1: I started searching my backyard. I searched the whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: You're hearing the adopted dad of these two little children,
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  Speaker 1: ages three and four. I mean, how far could they
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  Speaker 1: get on their own? It's getting dark. Climb Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. We're talking about the disappearance of a three
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  Speaker 1: and four year old set up brothers Orson and Oran West.
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  Speaker 1: What happened as Christmas approaches? Take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: friends at twenty three ABC News is as Bain phronies
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  Speaker 1: speak with neighbors. There isn't too much information about what
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  Speaker 1: happened to these young boys, but one thing is for sure,
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  Speaker 1: the California City community is worried, scared, and angry. Sir
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  Speaker 1: Trail Coppers came out. About one hundred people gathered the
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  Speaker 1: search and the surrounding area and knocking on doors. Three
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  Speaker 1: and four year olds Orn Orson West were reported missing
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  Speaker 1: on Monday night around five pm. When I got it,
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  Speaker 1: they still happen. Barren Jennifer Wood resumed her search efforts
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday after looking all Monday night for the missing boys,
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  Speaker 1: as she fears for their safety. Her total boys, they're
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  Speaker 1: about three feet tall and if they're out of their scared,
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  Speaker 1: of course they are. I mean to you, Mark, class
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  Speaker 1: on foot, how far could a three and four year
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  Speaker 1: old get, even in a residential area in a paved street,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, how far could they get. They're not going
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  Speaker 1: to be able to get very far. And the whole
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  Speaker 1: idea of little children wandering off is it gets cold
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  Speaker 1: and dark from their home is a pretty hard pill
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  Speaker 1: to swallow. But I think we have to consider is
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  Speaker 1: the local sex offenders in the community, people that know
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  Speaker 1: the family, that intermingle with the family. You never know
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  Speaker 1: or the evil might come from. I mean, there's all
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  Speaker 1: kinds of possibilities out there. One of the things I've
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  Speaker 1: noticed recently, Nancy, is that there are more people driving
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  Speaker 1: around neighborhoods that aren't their neighborhoods delivering packages now than
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  Speaker 1: ever before. It seems like almost every other car is
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  Speaker 1: delivering a package. We don't know who the people are
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  Speaker 1: who are driving these vans oftentimes, so you know, the
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  Speaker 1: possibilities of what happened to these children, I think are
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: vast at this point. Mark, let me tell you what
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: happened to Lucy and me. The other night. We went
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: at walking. We loved gone walks with our little dog
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: fat Boy, and as got dark while we were out,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: we waited too light, and we always hear of the
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: stereotypical white van and lo and behold a white van.
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  Speaker 1: You know, everything rushing through my mind begins to creep
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  Speaker 1: along behind us, and I didn't want to say anything
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: to Lucy, so we kept walking and I was picking
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: up the pace. We were a good mile away from home,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: and it stayed and finally I said, let's turn around,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and we abruptly turned around. I started walking the other
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: way away from the van, as you know you're supposed
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: to do if you think you're being you know, a
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: child should run the opposite way. And we kept walking. Well,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: lo and behold mark class. Five minutes hadn't passed until
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: there was the white van and it was a guy
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I'd never seen in the neighborhood before, and he was
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: looking at us, and I said, Lucy, run to the
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: house right now, and she took off. It was a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: delivery person, long story short, and he was lost. He
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: was lost, just wandering around. And I then spotted him
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: turn on his lamp on the inside of the van
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and looking for directions, and I could actually hear him
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: putting an address into ways or something. So it was
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: much ado about nothing. But long story short, you're right,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. How quickly could someone be taken in
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: a vehicle and be gone sixty miles an hour? But
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it's somebody within the neighborhood. I mean the stories I
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: just threw out truecases of Isabel Salice was someone the
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: family needs in Elizabeth Smart. It was someone the part
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: was introduced into the family. It was a day laborer
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: that they hired to try to help out the family
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and help him out. So there is a connection. They
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: knew about the children, right, there's almost always a connection,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: most always a connection. Guys, who are talking about the
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: disappearance of these two little children? What did the dad do?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Take a listen now to what Traville West's dad says.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I realized that I left the gate open, and I panicked,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: came inside the house, searched the house, me and my wife.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Once that I hadn't pan out, I got in the van.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I looked down the street both directions. It was getting dark,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: getting cold, and I got understand and I hit a
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: bunch of corners. I went down this street, I turned
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: my light on, I searched, I searched I called their names,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: talked to a gentleman on the street on the other
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: side over there. He didn't see anything. So then I
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: came home and I told my wife for me to
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: call the cops. It's getting dark and I need help.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: We gotta get going, so I called the cops. Cops came.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: First thing they did was tell us to stay in
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the house so they can get a hold of us.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: And they had us just sitting there, and we wanted
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: to keep searching. You know, we've heard a lot from
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: the dad, but now take a listen to mom. They
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: said that She said she was wrapping gifts and she
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: let my two kids out in the backyard because she
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: didn't want them to see the gifts. But you didn't
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: let the other kids out? Were the other kids? Why
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: my two just go back there at night? She said
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: it was dark and it's code right now, so I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: know it was code then, so I don't believe it.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: So when didn't she tell you this? Where were you
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: what she told you this? I just came here forty
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: five minutes when nobody was here forty five minutes to
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: an hour, and we knocked on the door and it
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: took them a minute to come in, he came out,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and he want to say he's sorry and all that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: I just don't feel in my heart that it's something
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: they're not give a relationship with these turns. I don't
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: know them. They did something just then you're hearing from
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: the bay A mom. The bay A mom now she
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't have custody of her children, but now she is
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: appearing casting doubt on the adoptive parents. What more do
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: we know? What more do we know? Take a listen
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to David Kaplan at Fox fifty eight. Trezelle Jacqueline West
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: and their six kids lived at Casteloma Apartments here in Bakersville,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: across the street from where I'm at. They moved from
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: here to California City in September. This afternoon, around forty
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: people used drones, dogs, trash picker, rubbers, and their eyes
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: and feet to look for any sign of orn and
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: orson West. The four and three year olds parents say
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: they lost last I saw them in their backyard in
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: California City around five pm on December twenty first. California
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: City police say they have talked to every neighbor on
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: that street and they all say they never saw the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: boys there. That's why concerns community members wanted to continue
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the search efforts from the desert in California City to Bakersfield.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: For trying to cover the Browns, you know, to help.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: You have law enforcement. You know that may be shorthanded.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: You know a hand. Hope has never lost now now
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: never lost. Hope, never lost. I want to go to
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: our cut five. This is twenty three ABC. As Orson's
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: biological Antikiki Horde says, Tuesday marks the anniversary that adoptive
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: parents Jacqueline and Truzlle West, reported the brothers missing. Since then, Pettison,
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Horde's biological cousin, Rosanna Wills says, there have been countless searches, monthly,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: candlelight prayers and unanswered questions. That's the thing. There's one
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five thousand dollars on the line, nobody's
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: claimed it, nobody spoke up. There's so many tips, nothing,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: There's so much support around the world. Nothing. So it's
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: like when you have all of this and we don't
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: have nothing. Nearby neighbors begin search efforts just hours after
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: that first call, and investigations by California's city police begin
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: as well. In that month, law enforcement dug up the
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: parent's backyard to make sure the boys weren't buried underneath.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Search dogs found the boys scent inside the home, but
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: not outside. Officials also used cadaver dogs inside the residents.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: They found no scent of human remains. A search warrant
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: collected things from the home, including electronics like cell phones,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and the parents van was also examined for any trace
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: amounts of blood. Nothing was found. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: we are talking about two missing children, ages just three
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: and four, and these two little boys go missing from
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: their own home. Let me give you the tip line
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: yet again in the hopes that someone somewhere may have
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: seen something. Seven six zero three seven three eight six
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: zero six Tell me about the search. Joining me from
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: ABC twenty three is by Yon Wang. Tell me what
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: all has been done to find the children? Oh man, Nancy,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, this community has really come together. We're talking
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: about multiple searches, two ten thousand dollar rewards. I mean,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: these guys are scavenging the desert themselves, going, you know,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: essentially through every neighborhood in that area. Unfortunately, though, there's
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: been absolutely no sign of the boys. And I think
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: earlier in the show, you guys were talking about the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: significance of what a large area this is, the sprawling
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: desert that surrounds this community. Well, it's important to note
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: that police themselves, none of the authorities, the FBI, none
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: of them have started their search in the desert, and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that has caused a huge question in the community. You know,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: what is it exactly that they know that isn't leading
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: them to search this sprawling desert. You would think your
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: natural instinct would be, hey, let's go see if they
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: could possibly be anywhere out there, whether they wandered off,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: or whether their bodies end up ended up out there.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: But that's not the case. Essentially, the police chief for
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the California City Police Department said, hey, look, our investigation
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: hasn't led us there right now, our focus is on
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the home. We have absolutely no idea how these boys
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: got out of the backyard. Well, we're hearing what the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: parents are saying, but following up on what Bayon just said,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I find this very troubling. Take a listen to our
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: cut seven. This is beyond speaking twenty three ABC. A
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: lot of neighbors told me that the parents have been
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: virtually absent from all search efforts raising a lot of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: concern out here in California City. But the adoptive parents
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: told me that's because they've been busy with the police investigation,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: and that police told them that they don't need to
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: be out there searching because there's already an adequate amount
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: of people doing so. Straight back to Mark Class, founder
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: of Class Kiss Foundation. You know, Mark Class, I understand
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: they're saying the cops told him to stay in the house.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I would find that very very difficult to do if
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: one of my children went missing. I've told you about
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the episode when John David disappeared inside a giant to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Babies r Us warehouse. I would find it very hard
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to control myself and not go looking. Mark Class, I mean,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: if you don't mind, was you recount what you did
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: when Polly went missing? Well, I pulled out all the stops, Nancy,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: and one of the first things I did is tell
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the FBI and the Pedaloom police that I'd be willing
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: to sit for a polygraph. And I also noticed the
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: FBI is involved. You don't normally see the FBI jumping
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: in on a missing person's case. I want you to
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: take a listen to our Frias at KGET seventeen pearla
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: shhen listen. California City Police say they searched this house
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: last night with canines. The canines were looking for the
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: scent of the two boys inside. They smelled the scent
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: inside the house, but they didn't smell it leaving the house,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: so police are concerned that the children never even left
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: the house. About an hour ago, cal City Police drove
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the father and mother away. They weren't in handcuffs and
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: went willingly with police, but police would not confirm why
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: they took the mother and father away. Dozens of residents
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: drove and walked around this home last night looking for
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the two boys. Right now, many of them are still
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: out here waiting for an update from police. Many came
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: out again today to continue the search. So far, they
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: found nothing. Police told the parents to stay inside their house. Okay,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing somebody. I'm not sure who that was, but
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I want to guess, Well, the whole the whole idea
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: of letting other people tell you how to handle your
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: missing child case, I think raises a lot of issues.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Your inclination when your child is missing is to get
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: out there and absolutely do something, which is what I did,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: which is what the Smart family did, which is what
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: so many families did. And the whole idea that you
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: would hunker into the house only leads people to believe
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: that you were hiding something. And when you that perception
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: takes hold in the community, then you it becomes problematic
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: yet again, because people are going, well, what are they hiding.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: They're not coming out, they're not talking to anybody, they're
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: not involved in the searches. There's something that seems very
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: wrong with that, and I personally agree that it does
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: seem very wrong. You know what is disturbing me more
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: than the parents being told to stay in home and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: don't go out in search and them doing it, is
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: the fact to you, Cheryl McCollum, Director Cold Case Fee Search,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: is it to you? You know, I'm a great believer
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: and tracker dogs. In fact, I've told you many many times,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, the best, one of the best witnesses I've
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: ever put on the stand was a dog. The tracker
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: dogs go in, they smell the scent of the children
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: in the home, but they can't pick up the children.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: The center of the children leaving the home. Cheryl, that's
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: a great concerned Nancy, because again, in a missing childcake,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: you've got four lanes that you're investigating in this all time,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: and you're doing it simultaneously. You're obviously looking at the parents.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: You're looking at is this a stranger abduction? You're going
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: to look at, is this an acquaintance, Is there's somebody
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood the children knew and lin to that
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: home or are the children lost or hurt? It looks
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: like law enforcement has already gotten rid of the lost
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: or hurt avenue. They don't believe that it's a stranger
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: because they're again not moving away from that backyard. The
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: father himself repeated the word dirt more than one. He
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: said backyard, backyard, and then he said search the backyard.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I think he'd basically tell the law enforce it where
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: to start. Way. J. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: at NC Domestic Law dot com. Jump in, Kathleen, Nancy,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: as a mother, just as a mother, not even as
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: a trial lawyer, you would not have my eyes off
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: of a three year old and a four year old
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: in that backyard area. And I don't know how close
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: the father was, but it does not add everything that
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Cheryl has said, everything Mark has said, everything Byron has said,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: everything you have said, it does not add up. And
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I'm very sad right now. To doctor Angela Arnold, Psychiatrists
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: out of Atlanta, the parents are saying law enforcement told
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: him to stay inside and don't go looking. What do
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you make of it? It just seems that just seems
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: so odd. I'll tell you one of the other things
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: that struck me too, Nancy, this whole thing that we
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: have to look at them on TV with mask covering
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: their faces. Right, how often do we look at people
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: on the news and you can and everybody can sort
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: of tell are they telling the truth? Are they not
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: telling the truth? But now these people's entire faces are
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: covered with a mask and you can't tell anything about
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: their initial reaction. And that is very bothersome to me
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: because that's I feel like there's so much information that
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: can be garnered from that and it's and it's all
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: a blank slate at this point. Mayon Wang, Reporter twenty
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: three ABC. Where does the search stand right now? Well,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: multiple community efforts. You know, obviously authorities aren't telling us
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: what they're doing, you know, behind closed doors. But you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: know the community search Bakersfield as well, which we're learning
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the adoptive parents lived in Bakersfield prior to moving California City,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: so the community is out there also doing various searches.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: That's the latest that we have on the search front.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. The Bakersfield Police Department announced
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: on March first that they were taking over the lead
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: in the West Boys investigation. This for several reasons. The
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: agency had already served several search warrants in connection to
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: the case at that point, including at the property of
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the adoptive grandparents. Twenty three ABC's Mithily Gooby has an
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: update now from Bakersfield Police on where they stand tonight
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: with the search. We are doing everything we lawfully can
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: to solve the case. The Bakersfield Police Department says they
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: have been involved in the investigation of the disappearance of
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Orson and or in West since the beginning, once it
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: was established that historically the boys are from Bakersfield, their
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: families from Bakersfield, their history was in Bakersfield. On March first,
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: the department announced that they formally took over the case
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: through their investigation with other law enforcement partners. As of
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: December fourteenth, BPD says they have done about one hundred
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: and sixteen interviews with people connected to the case and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: have seized about one hundred and seventy items, but that
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: number was as of June twenty twenty one. Since the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: reported disappearance, BPD says they've also executed about forty eight
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: search warrants, got more than two hundred tips, conducted four
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: out of state searches, and have done twenty seven area
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: searches as well. And even though Sergeant Robert pet doesn't
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: frequently share updates about the case, he says BPD is
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: still working to find the boys. The investigation hasn't stopped
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: just because on a daily basis, we don't tell you
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: what we're doing. Tipline seven six zero three seven three
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  Speaker 1: eighty six zero six please help us bring orson and
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: orn hum Nancy Grace crime story. Signing off, goodbye for you,