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Canada's Patriot Act, FB Wants Website Data, Starlink Bandwidth Cap. Who's Meddling in UK Politics · IndieNewsNow LIVE! Clips

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  SPEAKER_00: Who are these people?
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  SPEAKER_01: So something happened this past week that we kind of been warning about.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, it's funny.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was thinking at one point about signing up for Starlink because they had like
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  SPEAKER_01: a plan that seemed equivalent to what I was paying for my download bandwidth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, For about $120 a month, which is less than I pay for cable internet, believe it or not.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I called up
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  SPEAKER_00: the cable company, and I told
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  SPEAKER_01: them what happened, and they lowered my bill.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I did give Starlink a consideration.
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  SPEAKER_01: However,
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  SPEAKER_01: this has led me to not regret my decision to stick with my cable company,
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  SPEAKER_01: Hardwired,
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  SPEAKER_01: and not rely on Elon and his satellite company,
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  SPEAKER_01: because I believe, and we're going to get to it, at the request of Trump, possibly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Starlink throttled the internet for all of Ukraine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, you know how I feel about Ukraine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Citizens are trapped in a Zionist globalist game for resources around the world,
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  SPEAKER_01: and Ukraine is being used as a pawn and a battering ram in a proxy war by NATO
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  SPEAKER_01: against Russia.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is definitely a neo-Nazi element to Ukraine as well, and that's been exploited heavily.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's one of the reasons why NATO aligned with them and is using them in that way,
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  SPEAKER_01: is that they were incredibly corrupt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Their leadership could be bought off and controlled.
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  SPEAKER_01: But Zelensky,
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  SPEAKER_01: their president who was elected and has now suspended elections and is now
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  SPEAKER_01: a dictator by all means.
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  SPEAKER_01: Descriptions,
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  SPEAKER_01: self-appointed because he's not left office or held elections using the war as
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  SPEAKER_01: an excuse,
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  SPEAKER_01: saw that the internet,
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  SPEAKER_01: because they've had a lot of their hard lines cut throughout the country,
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  SPEAKER_01: they've been reliant on Starlink basically since 2022.
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  SPEAKER_01: Trump turned to Elon Musk,
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  SPEAKER_01: apparently,
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  SPEAKER_01: through these negotiations to try to bring some kind of a resolution to
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  SPEAKER_01: the Ukraine-Russia thing, maybe, or at least have the appearance of that happening.
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  SPEAKER_01: Musk has now throttled Internet for the entire country.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what happened here?
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  SPEAKER_01: This is Simplicius.
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  SPEAKER_01: Simplicius' Garden of...
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  SPEAKER_01: Treats, I believe,
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  SPEAKER_01: at simplicius76.substack.com Days after the Starlink fiasco,
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  SPEAKER_01: we finally have gotten some clarification as to what really transpired behind
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  SPEAKER_01: the scenes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Reuters broke the news that the order to shut down the military-grade variant
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  SPEAKER_01: of Starlink,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is called Starshield,
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  SPEAKER_01: did in fact come from the White House,
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  SPEAKER_01: according to the usual anonymous officials that spoke to the Bureau.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, I don't believe anything Reuters said.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's propaganda that gets spread around the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, what they said was the order to limit a satellite system used by Ukraine
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  SPEAKER_01: for battlefield communications and drone operations came from inside
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  SPEAKER_01: the White House,
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  SPEAKER_01: according to two U.S. officials and a Western official briefed on the matter.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't believe that for a second.
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  SPEAKER_01: The officials said leaders at the DOD received a message that
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  SPEAKER_01: the SpaceX Star Shield service for the Ukrainian military needed to be slowed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why?
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  SPEAKER_01: The Telegraph dropped their own bombshell that it was actually Musk who came
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  SPEAKER_01: to Trump with the idea to turn off Starlink.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's weird.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't believe the Telegraph either.
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  SPEAKER_01: This version makes the most sense as it accords with both the coincidental fact
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  SPEAKER_01: that Musk made strong statements of repudiation against Zelensky
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  SPEAKER_01: with Trump's well-known suggestibility, which we mentioned last time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Zelensky also added his own bit of clarification with a side of begging,
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  SPEAKER_01: admitting that the U.S. threatened to pull intelligence.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to play that.
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  SPEAKER_01: The jury's still out on whether the throttled speeds have been fully restored yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: Zelensky himself explained why they were not yet restored,
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  SPEAKER_01: but are going to soon be according to the signals he received from the White House,
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  SPEAKER_01: quote unquote.
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  SPEAKER_01: He clarified further an official post on Twitter,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is funny,
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  SPEAKER_01: that's Elon Musk's outlet, or SpaceX's outlet, same company that owns Star Shield.
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  SPEAKER_01: The most interesting developments came from the wheeling and dealing behind
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  SPEAKER_01: the scenes,
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  SPEAKER_01: wherein Zelensky's intermediaries have tried to pressure Trump to make
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  SPEAKER_01: a major concession in exchange for Ukraine temporarily halting strikes
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  SPEAKER_01: on Russian refineries.
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  SPEAKER_00: Weird.
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  SPEAKER_01: Which, huh?
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Zelensky wants Starlink privileges up to 300 kilometers deep into Russia in exchange
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  SPEAKER_01: for cessation of strikes against Russian energy assets for up to three months.
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  SPEAKER_01: Weird.
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  SPEAKER_01: Such a deal isn't advantageous to the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: and essentially represents the strong-arming and blackmailing of Trump by Zelensky,
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  SPEAKER_01: which we know isn't going to happen.
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  SPEAKER_01: What the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: gets is ruined relations with Russia in exchange for Ukraine,
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  SPEAKER_01: allowing, quote-unquote, the U.S. to improve its energy and economic outlook.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everyone knows Trump doesn't take kindly to people allowing him to do anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: The strongman relies on him being the one to dictate terms.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's a little bit more.
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  SPEAKER_01: I, again, encourage everyone to go read this article over at Simplicious 76.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's Substack.com.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go start.
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  SPEAKER_01: Google lost power in London this morning and Revolut,
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  SPEAKER_01: a bank with 80 million customers, went with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: People stranded at gas stations, unable to pay for fuel or a taxi to the airport.
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  SPEAKER_01: Unrest everywhere, you say.
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  SPEAKER_01: Huh.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sounds like a narrative being formed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Next, another Indie Media Award honoree, Jonathan Cook.
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't go to him very much because he writes a lot of long articles
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  SPEAKER_01: that are really good,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it just doesn't, it's not a great fit because it's a lot of reading.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to drop it in the lightning round here and let you guys go read it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I did want to make mention of it and give him a shout out because he is
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  SPEAKER_01: an outstanding independent anti-imperialist, anti-Zionist journalist from the UK.
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  SPEAKER_01: Worried about Russian meddling in UK politics,
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  SPEAKER_01: which has been this big fear-mongering happening?
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  SPEAKER_01: Wait till you see what Israel's up to.
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  SPEAKER_01: Sub-headline reads,
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  SPEAKER_01: Andy Burnham's government is rolling out a new Center for Information Defense,
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  SPEAKER_01: but the outside actors most aggressively undermining what little remains
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  SPEAKER_01: of British democracy are nowhere in its sights.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's been,
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  SPEAKER_01: Burnham admitted or went on TV and claimed that, yes, Russia interfered in
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  SPEAKER_01: Brexit.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the first time that any prime minister had publicly acknowledged any kind
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  SPEAKER_01: of Russian meddling.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, of course, we all believe that that's bullshit to begin with.
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  SPEAKER_01: And again, if there is no Russian meddling, the meddling is coming from Russia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Here's, again,
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  SPEAKER_01: starting,
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  SPEAKER_01: just read the first couple paragraphs, Russia,
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  SPEAKER_01: quote-unquote,
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  SPEAKER_01: interfered in the 2016 Brexit vote by running some anti-EU articles
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  SPEAKER_01: on its RT channel and promoting a few internet trolls.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even MI5 has to admit that this activity had no tangible impact on
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  SPEAKER_01: the referendum campaign,
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  SPEAKER_01: but no matter,
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  SPEAKER_01: it British Prime Minister Andy Burnham has once again revived the incendiary claim
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  SPEAKER_01: that Russian disinformation is a special threat to British democracy.
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  SPEAKER_01: At the UN a few weeks ago,
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  SPEAKER_01: he announced plans for a National Center for Information Defense to, quote, detect,
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  SPEAKER_01: attribute, and disrupt these kinds of hostile state information attacks, unquote.
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  SPEAKER_01: For the new British Prime Minister,
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  SPEAKER_01: as for his predecessors,
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  SPEAKER_01: this is all about Moscow and the UK's favorite boogeyman, Vladimir Putin.
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  SPEAKER_01: At the UN,
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  SPEAKER_01: Burnham promised British expertise to other European nations to protect them
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  SPEAKER_01: from Kremlin disinformation, which is hilarious.
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  SPEAKER_01: Meanwhile,
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  SPEAKER_01: evidence continues to mount
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  SPEAKER_01: that another foreign actor is meddling even more aggressively in British politics,
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  SPEAKER_01: and neither Burnham nor MI5
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  SPEAKER_00: has a word to say about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Any evidence of Russia disinformation peddling in the UK pales in comparison
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  SPEAKER_01: to Israeli influence operations.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's just the ones we know about.
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  SPEAKER_01: The head of MI5,
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  SPEAKER_01: Ken McCallum,
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  SPEAKER_01: noted that Russian disinformation was neither sophisticated nor successful.
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  SPEAKER_01: The same cannot be said for Israel's handiwork.
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  SPEAKER_01: And again, this is a long article that I encourage everyone to read.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I will link to that in the description afterwards.
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  SPEAKER_01: And again,
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  SPEAKER_01: as a reminder,
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  SPEAKER_01: Jonathan K.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cook is also an Indie Media Award honoree,
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  SPEAKER_01: initial class, and just a little inside baseball.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I first commissioned all of the Indie Media Award honorees to have
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  SPEAKER_01: an illustration drawn of them by Zago,
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  SPEAKER_01: Jonathan Cook was the very first one that he gave me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, he had a bunch of them that had already been done that had been on his poster
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  SPEAKER_01: of anti-imperialists.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when I gave him a whole bunch,
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  SPEAKER_01: a whole set of actual photos of journalists and people I wanted to have depicted
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  SPEAKER_01: as part of that project in 2024,
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  SPEAKER_01: Jonathan was the first one I got back, and I loved it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I sent it to him, and he was very appreciative of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a big fan of Jonathan and his work.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jonathan Cook.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's actually now called...
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought he changed it to like something.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know it's jonathancook.substack.com is his publication.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: And again, you can find all of that at indiemediaawards.substack.com.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then if you search the Jonathan Cook and you can find his page with all
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  SPEAKER_01: the links to find him on all these different social platforms.
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  SPEAKER_00: Next.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um...
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  SPEAKER_01: Propaganda in Focus, another outlet I like quite a bit.
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  SPEAKER_01: I saw this article,
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  SPEAKER_01: which kind of dovetailed and fed into Jonathan's article talking about propaganda
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  SPEAKER_01: and Britain's long war on Russia.
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  SPEAKER_01: This, again,
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  SPEAKER_01: is a very long and incredibly long Incredibly well-sourced
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  SPEAKER_01: and documented article laying out all of the different elements and history
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  SPEAKER_01: of how Britain has fear-mongered and turned Russia into the boogeyman and an enemy
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  SPEAKER_01: that never wanted to attack Britain or the British Empire.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's quite the opposite.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Britain uses them in order to ramp up their military,
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  SPEAKER_01: in order to fearmonger internationally,
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  SPEAKER_01: in order to get the United States involved because there's been a Cold War,
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  SPEAKER_01: and that goes back to World War II Cold War times.
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  SPEAKER_01: The official account of Britain's relationship with Russia inverts the truth.
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  SPEAKER_01: Britain is consistently not the victim of Russian aggression.
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  SPEAKER_00: Where are we here?
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  SPEAKER_00: I missed it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here we go.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the instigator of conflicts between the two countries,
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  SPEAKER_01: or initiator,
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  SPEAKER_01: despite its small size,
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  SPEAKER_01: Britain maintains seven times as many overseas military sites as Russia,
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  SPEAKER_01: many of them close to Russian borders.
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  SPEAKER_01: Britain trained the Ukrainian army in offensive capabilities in Kiev's war with
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  SPEAKER_01: the Russian-speaking regions of eastern Ukraine through the years in which
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  SPEAKER_01: the Minsk agreements went unimplemented.
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  SPEAKER_01: Britain advised Kiev against a peace settlement in 2022.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's been documented.
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  SPEAKER_01: Britain stationed special forces and planners inside the war zone.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Britain now manufactures at home the drones that fly against Moscow.
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  SPEAKER_01: When Russia answers with threats against British factories,
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  SPEAKER_01: ministers and generals cite those threats as proof of the Russian danger and as
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  SPEAKER_01: the reason for further rearmament.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy!
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  SPEAKER_01: And the laws passed since 2018 narrow the space in
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  SPEAKER_01: which any citizen can understand what's really going on or mobilize to challenge it
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  SPEAKER_01: through democratic channels.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot more there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again,
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  SPEAKER_01: highly encourage everyone to read this piece at propagandainfocus.substack.com about
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  SPEAKER_01: the long war.
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, with references up and down, dozens of references and links and rabbit holes to go down.
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  SPEAKER_00: Give that one a like.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, in addition to that,
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  SPEAKER_01: shout out to our friend,
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  SPEAKER_01: The Dissident,
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  SPEAKER_01: who is an INN co-founder,
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  SPEAKER_01: and we include The Dissident's articles in our weekly INN update.
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  SPEAKER_01: He commented when I shared it to say that Sanaa Saeed was asking about
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  SPEAKER_01: who does Britain consider the enemy.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is who they consider the enemy.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is a comprehensive piece laying out why they've been setting this play up,
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  SPEAKER_01: fear-mongering And the dissident points out that this is a really good read,
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  SPEAKER_01: but the only thing that he would add is
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  SPEAKER_01: the likely CIA orchestrated false flag massacre in Maidan in 2014.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm pretty sure actually this article did in the table
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  SPEAKER_01: of contents mention Ukraine, Maidan coup in Minsk.
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  SPEAKER_01: It actually is there.
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  SPEAKER_01: But there was also the involvement of the CIA.
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  SPEAKER_01: I see Victoria Nuland's name.
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  SPEAKER_01: It better be if you're talking about Ukraine and the Maidan coup.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I said in response that I agree.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was actually making a point to a writer from Common Dreams yesterday on Blue Sky,
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  SPEAKER_01: believe it or not,
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  SPEAKER_01: that the U.S. pushed this via the Maidan coup, an eastern expansion of NATO.
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  SPEAKER_01: Russia had no interest in expanding to Ukraine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Listen to on-the-ground journalists like Eva Bartlett,
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  SPEAKER_01: who've been in the Donbass and spoke with the residents that were being bombed
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  SPEAKER_01: by Ukraine.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ukraine was openly corrupt with a serious neo-Nazi element.
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  SPEAKER_01: Victoria Nuland and NED helped lead the Orange Revolution in 2014.
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  SPEAKER_01: Go back and learn what actually happened,
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  SPEAKER_01: not according to corporate media or CIA-friendly outlets like Bellingcrap.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's a tweet that I had included which supported that as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: So again...
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  SPEAKER_01: Britain has been fear-mongering,
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  SPEAKER_01: ramping up against Russia to prepare,
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  SPEAKER_01: and now they're literally telling their troops to prepare for an attack.
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  SPEAKER_01: Frightening.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you for the raid, Six, and for those over at TNP,
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  SPEAKER_00: over on Rumble.
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  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of our friend,
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  SPEAKER_01: the dissident,
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  SPEAKER_01: he also published an article that I did not see anywhere else published.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure he's got references and sources that he pulls in.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what he does.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Justin wrote this article inside Bill C-22, Canada's Patriot Act.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's from Ontario.
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  SPEAKER_01: Canadian civil liberties organizations are ringing the alarm bells
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  SPEAKER_01: over unprecedented surveillance powers given to Canada's security state.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, that's not good.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: Read this article over at the307.substack.com.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then finally, I wanted to mention this other thing.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: This is really scary.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: If you have a business and you have a business page on Facebook,
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: on Instagram, on WhatsApp, Meta has made a change to their terms of service.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: This is the man that I consider to be the mayor of Substack, Ted Joya, the honest broker.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: He's the number one music publication on Substack.
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  SPEAKER_01: An orange chick, I believe.
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess he hit it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Meta now insists on the right to scrape your website if you have a business account with it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's shocking to see how manipulative this company has become.
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  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't even pretend to serve customers or users anymore.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Many of us are just walking away at this stage.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he shares an article from Neiman Lab that starts out that starting October 30th,
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  SPEAKER_01: business accounts will automatically consent to metas scraping their websites
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  SPEAKER_01: if they continue using Facebook, Instagram, or WhatsApp.
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  SPEAKER_01: They can't opt out.
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  SPEAKER_01: What's going on here?
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  SPEAKER_01: Again, most of us are not using Facebook.
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  SPEAKER_01: We actually have a page.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've got a Facebook page for Indie Media Today that's got 1,300 subscribers.
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  SPEAKER_01: INN has over 300 on both Instagram and Facebook.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've got over 1,000 on my Instagram.
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  SPEAKER_01: Meta can use web scrapers now to crawl and collect content from websites, quote,
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  SPEAKER_01: associated with business accounts on its platforms,
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  SPEAKER_01: according to its new commercial terms of use.
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  SPEAKER_01: The update set to go into effect in nine days
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  SPEAKER_01: on October 30th will include news publishers with business accounts.
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  SPEAKER_01: These accounts allow companies or public figures to manage Facebook pages,
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  SPEAKER_01: Messenger accounts, Instagram profiles, or WhatsApp channels from one place.
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  SPEAKER_01: While journalism isn't the only industry affected by this update,
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  SPEAKER_01: virtually every news organization has at least one meta-business account according
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  SPEAKER_01: to Neiman Lab.
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  SPEAKER_01: The new terms broadly cover business accounts that manage pages and groups,
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  SPEAKER_01: run advertisements,
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  SPEAKER_01: push marketing messages,
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  SPEAKER_01: and use the platform's business account dashboard, which I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: As written...
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  SPEAKER_01: The new terms could be used to argue that Meta can scrape content from news sites
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  SPEAKER_01: and use that content to train the company's AI products,
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  SPEAKER_01: according to three legal experts who reviewed the terms at Neiman Labs' request.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Quote, This is a remarkable provision to bury in the TOS,
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  SPEAKER_01: given that this would give Meta access to material
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  SPEAKER_01: that would likely cost many millions of dollars in a licensing market.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's not clear whether a court would enforce this,
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: but publishers should assume that it would be enforceable,
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: says a media and intellectual property attorney.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Are you listening?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: This is really important shit.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: If you have intellectual property,
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: if you have articles that are exclusive that you own the rights to publish,
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: you better get them off a website that Meta can scrape.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: In early October, Meta alerted users to the update in a blog post on the Meta Business Suite.
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  SPEAKER_01: The updated terms explicitly state that Meta can use the content it collects
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: from associated websites to train Meta products.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Elsewhere in its terms of service, the company defines AI at Meta as one of those products.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Metamuse would be another one.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Which has been pushed heavily in my feed lately.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: People are, try Muse.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's a different kind of AI.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's an agent.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: It can actually do things.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: So like they basically got a hang of open claw or clawed and created some kind of
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: an agent that actually will open browsers and do things on your behalf.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you give it permission to do.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Frightening.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: I have a friend that loves it.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: It scares the shit out of me.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: I won't sign up for it.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so here's the actual terms of service.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_01: For news publishers,
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: this clearly represents permission to meta to train AI on any content
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: from their sites and possibly to deploy some of that content even in competition
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: with the publishers themselves,
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: said James Grimmelman, a professor of digital information and law at Cornell.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: On the broadest possible interpretation,
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: this would be used to develop a comprehensive archive of all content that Meta would
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: then serve as it wanted directly or through AI.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm going to get back to Ted's post here because I replied to Ted.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I said,
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen three female comedians post videos
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: about how Meta's AI is ripping off their sets and showing shorts
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: of AI women delivering their original material.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's insane.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: So, in the context of that, here's...
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: The Hollywood Reporter from two weeks ago,
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: from four days ago,
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: comics accused hot AI fakes of stealing their jokes word for word and inflection
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: for inflection to push OnlyFans pages.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Quote, stand-up comics are calling out accounts that have sexy female comics,
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_01: quote-unquote, plagiarizing their jokes.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: AI stole my joke and my outfit.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: Look at this guy.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_01: He's wearing the pink shirt with the khakis.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: He's got a pink shirt and khakis,
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: but it's an awful tight pink shirt and an awful tight pair of khakis.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: ThisPersonDoesNotExist.com.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Fucking scary.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: So if you have a Facebook page and a business Instagram account,
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: take it down or understand that your website will be scraped and used for AI
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: and there ain't nothing you can do about it according to legal experts.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: And Facebook or Meta has not indicated that they're interested in fixing this
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: in advance of that October 30th deadline.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: Their answer is, Just unplug if you don't like it.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I saw somebody else had commented something,
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: but they basically said that they tried to,
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: that the terms of service say there really is no opt-out to this,
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: that the only answer,
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: if you don't want them scraping your website, is to delete all your meta accounts.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_01: So...
• 24:05
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• 24:08
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• 24:10
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• 25:12
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• 25:13
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• 25:14
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• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: I will see you next Thursday.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's what she said.
• 25:56
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• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's still cunt.
• 25:57
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• 25:59
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• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: No!
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: We just fucking lost the stream!
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: I guess this isn't such an awful place Is that what you want me to say?
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: You'll prove it's possible to sleep for days And I still think you're right here away.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: The cost of living isn't much to make.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: But God, it's so hard to save.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: And when they told you everything you were safe, were you safe?
• 26:39
  Were
• 26:39
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