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Vibe Sesh #14: Are We All God? A Nonduality Deep Dive with James Bailey · Vibe Sesh Podcast

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  SPEAKER_02: Look at this handsome devil.
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  SPEAKER_00: How are we
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  SPEAKER_02: all?
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  SPEAKER_02: Good, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's so awesome that we're meeting like this, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is.
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  SPEAKER_01: I didn't know we were having a three-way.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was only a one-on-one.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, he's my co-host right here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, there you go.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Would you like Cisco not to be on stage and just be one-on-one?
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  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: How are you, Cisco?
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  SPEAKER_02: No way, bro.
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  SPEAKER_02: I would never leave Cisco.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yes, guys.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey, guys, I'm so grateful that you're here, James.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was just thinking about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because you're on this journey too, James, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like you just started being active on social media and all that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm a little ahead of you, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm just...
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  SPEAKER_02: It's been like six months and I'm just so grateful to have this space that Cisco
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  SPEAKER_02: and I created like a year, a year and a half ago on another platform.
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  SPEAKER_02: And like, I'm just the whole day I'm thinking about Vibe Sesh.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, when's the last time you think about some event for so long, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: And just like,
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just so grateful to have this energy,
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  SPEAKER_02: receiving all this love and You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: and just exchange of ideas and learning from each other and exploring together.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's really amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: So tell us about your journey so far, James, on social media.
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  SPEAKER_01: On social media.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, my journey on social media.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's like anyone, I guess it's you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've got to make some decision at some point, I guess, to really show up, don't you?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know when that was for you.
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  SPEAKER_02: January 16th.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for me, I guess that was last.
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  SPEAKER_01: January 16th?
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  SPEAKER_01: When?
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  SPEAKER_01: This year.
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  SPEAKER_01: What year?
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  SPEAKER_01: This year.
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  SPEAKER_01: This year?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why?
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  SPEAKER_01: Very good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's less than me,
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
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  SPEAKER_01: but maybe I haven't really made the decision to fully step into it, but yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I joined a content creation course last November.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I read that.
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  SPEAKER_02: You said something that you joined.
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  SPEAKER_02: What was that like?
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  SPEAKER_02: Did that help?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it does.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's when you obviously invest in yourself and start to take things a bit more seriously.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think a lot of people are on social media.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know I was before and you kind of don't want to play the game, do you?
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  SPEAKER_01: You want it on your terms.
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  SPEAKER_01: You want to just put your videos out there and expect them to do well.
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  SPEAKER_01: I remember seeing people who would have captions on their videos,
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  SPEAKER_01: for example, or a title, and I'd be like, what's that all about?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to post a video of myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just the little basic things that you really have to start doing
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  SPEAKER_01: to make your content more attractive and more digestible.
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  SPEAKER_01: You've got to start playing the game, don't you, really?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do we have to play the game?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because you said you want to do it authentically, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So what does that mean to do it authentically?
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  SPEAKER_02: Right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because you're saying now you have to follow what the algorithms want, etc.
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  SPEAKER_02: For me, I feel like I'm moving towards more More and more authentic self.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm trusting the algorithms that they'll bring me, the right people like you, like Cisco.
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  SPEAKER_02: And which it has.
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  SPEAKER_02: These are connections that I would have never, ever made if it was just a physical world.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're literally attracting the most resonant people with each other.
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  SPEAKER_02: We don't encounter this in regular life.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's...
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  SPEAKER_01: It's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, authenticity is such an interesting thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: How can you not be authentic?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's silly to say you're not authentic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Who's the authentic version of you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Where are they hiding?
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  SPEAKER_01: There's a more authentic version of me over there somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're obviously as authentic as you can be at any moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we all want to be more and more authentic,
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  SPEAKER_01: whatever this means,
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  SPEAKER_01: and become more of ourself and grow into whoever we are meant to be on this journey
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  SPEAKER_01: in this dream of life.
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  SPEAKER_01: So basically you're saying
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  SPEAKER_02: all of us are authentic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Cisco's authentic right now.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're authentic.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're all authentic right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't think you cannot be authentic, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean...
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  SPEAKER_02: You want to be more authentic, don't you?
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  SPEAKER_01: You want to be more authentic.
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  SPEAKER_01: Cisco, did you understand that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because we're getting deep here.
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  SPEAKER_00: You got it?
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  SPEAKER_00: I would look at it just people-pleasing, though.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're altering your behavior to people-please,
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  SPEAKER_00: which I guess we're always going to do regardless,
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  SPEAKER_00: but You could be authentic and say, hey,
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  SPEAKER_00: you accept me or you reject me and I'm okay with either outcome because I just lead
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  SPEAKER_00: with my authenticity.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I got that from the Mark Manson book that Bruno recommended.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's really hard.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's really hard to not be needy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Jamie Tworkowski You heard him?
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  SPEAKER_02: He said, it's really hard not to be needy.
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  SPEAKER_02: James, what can you tell our young man when he says,
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  SPEAKER_02: because he knows, he knows That is not attractive if you're a needy person, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like there's so many things that says about you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so he understands that idea,
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  SPEAKER_02: but he can't help but feel needy,
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  SPEAKER_02: like towards relationships or whatever, whatever things he's doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: What advice do you have?
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  SPEAKER_02: How would you approach this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Jase, laugh at Voss already.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't say I've really been a needy person myself that much.
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  SPEAKER_01: Although, I mean, I certainly struggled with women early in my life and that type of thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was hopeless with women for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've been in, I've really only, I've really only had one.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're going to have dating coaching here as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know about, I don't know about that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've had one,
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  SPEAKER_01: I've had one girl,
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  SPEAKER_01: I've really had one honest girl, well,
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  SPEAKER_01: one girlfriend in my life that was actually as a girlfriend and she's now my wife.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I don't know about taking advice from me.
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  SPEAKER_02: How many dishonest girlfriends did you have since she's the first not honest?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, no, I didn't.
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  SPEAKER_01: That was badly phrased.
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  SPEAKER_01: How many would actually be my girlfriend that I was in a relationship with?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was like, it's honestly one.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: People pleasing is an interesting thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and social media itself,
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  SPEAKER_01: like that's this,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've heard this,
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  SPEAKER_01: the course I'm on, they talk about social media being like shadow work on steroids.
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  SPEAKER_02: And, uh,
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  SPEAKER_01: it certainly,
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  SPEAKER_01: it certainly is because that's sort of that stepping forward to be really be seen.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, and that's all part of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like playing the game.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's, it's a duality.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's one of these dualities, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like, Do you, like, you want to be your authentic self.
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  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to be fake.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's obviously a lot of fakeness on here and there's a lot of people
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  SPEAKER_01: who follow trends and chase trends and do everything to get views and all this.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's all chicken and the egg though.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then it's like,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's a lot of,
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  SPEAKER_01: let's say,
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  SPEAKER_01: maybe more authentic people or down to earth people,
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  SPEAKER_01: grounded people who don't want to do that.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's like,
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  SPEAKER_01: how much of that's hiding behind,
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  SPEAKER_01: like, I don't actually want to be seen yet or I'm not ready to be seen.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's easy to say, I don't want to play the game.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to like do it on Instagram's terms or social media's terms.
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  SPEAKER_01: But how much of that is actually an excuse to hide.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Powerful.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: In terms of people pleasing, I can't help you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You probably need to maybe talk to my wife who's a bit more of a people pleaser,
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  SPEAKER_01: but that's her journey, not mine.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm the opposite half in that relationship.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm the one who's attracted a people placer, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_02: But James, so what do you think that means?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I do coaching as well, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of people come to me and they're having this problem
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  SPEAKER_02: where they have this feeling to want to be seen.
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  SPEAKER_02: They want to post content.
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  SPEAKER_02: But they're so scared, bro.
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  SPEAKER_02: They are so scared of putting themselves out there.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so what does that mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: What is going on in that mind?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying to understand that better.
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  SPEAKER_01: What's going on for them?
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  SPEAKER_01: The people who are afraid of being seen.
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  SPEAKER_01: Obviously fear is at the core of everything that holds us back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Fear of separation and all these things,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: naturally,
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, naturally, every part of everyone's journey is, aren't they?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was very shy growing up and I think in my case,
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  SPEAKER_01: a lot of that probably stems from like a lack of trust in the world.
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  SPEAKER_02: You as a child, you're saying you didn't trust the world?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think when I look back, that explains a lot of things for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I had a lovely upbringing, lovely mum, lovely parents, really loving family.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm really lucky in that regard.
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  SPEAKER_01: But for example, like...
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  SPEAKER_01: My first day of school,
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  SPEAKER_01: for example,
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  SPEAKER_01: I would say is probably one of the more traumatic events of my life,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is funny, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Can you tell us about it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, tell us about it though.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't remember a lot of it,
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  SPEAKER_01: but like I went back to this in a breathwork session last year and like I was
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  SPEAKER_01: with my mum my whole life to that point.
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  SPEAKER_01: I never went to daycare or anything or anything like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you're going to school for the first time, getting left there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And just like this sense of abandonment, I guess.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you're just like, what is going on?
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  SPEAKER_01: Why am I being left here?
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  SPEAKER_02: And you remember this?
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  SPEAKER_02: You remember this?
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  SPEAKER_02: You still remember this?
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  SPEAKER_01: Through this breath work, I remember the feeling of it and what was going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the other thing that really struck me at the time as well was that...
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  SPEAKER_01: I was also kind of picking up on the other kids' pain at the time,
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  SPEAKER_01: like other children,
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  SPEAKER_01: not everyone,
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  SPEAKER_01: but certain other kids like me were having a really hard time and I was sort
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  SPEAKER_01: of picking up on that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't want to feel their pain either.
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  SPEAKER_01: So then you kind of like start to, okay, well, how do I do that?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, then I'm going to reject like my empathy and push away these abilities
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  SPEAKER_01: to feel other people's pain.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then you can see how your, your, uh,
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  SPEAKER_01: Personality develops from that and I became more aloof and like a bit of
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  SPEAKER_01: a colder person,
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  SPEAKER_01: let's say,
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  SPEAKER_01: as I grew up through life and you can see how your personality evolves
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  SPEAKER_01: from these early moments in childhood.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think you could sort of say to a degree your whole personality is
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  SPEAKER_01: a trauma response almost, a lot of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, go on, go on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Keep going.
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  SPEAKER_01: So these types of things,
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  SPEAKER_01: like they shape your personality,
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then that for me really, like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think this is psychoanalyzing yourself,
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  SPEAKER_01: but it's like, okay, well, then that breaks the trust with mum, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: But I can't not trust my mum.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you can't not trust your mum.
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  SPEAKER_01: So then you project that lack of trust onto the world and then you start
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  SPEAKER_01: to not trust the world as much.
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  SPEAKER_01: World seems like a big, scary place.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, that's in my case.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure everyone's got their own story as to why they would be afraid to show up
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  SPEAKER_01: on social media and be seen or be seen in whatever realm it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey, but you were saying like, that's how I've been feeling about my journey.
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  SPEAKER_02: It really has been shadow work.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's It's just one giant mirror, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I get feedback,
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  SPEAKER_02: I get DMs, I see what people are saying and people reacting on Vibe Sesh, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So
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  SPEAKER_02: it has been therapeutic and just bonding with everybody and being on
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  SPEAKER_02: the same frequency and finding these people, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you've obviously got to get past a certain point of I guess,
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  SPEAKER_01: caring about what everyone thinks of you, don't you?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because otherwise you just can't do it.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you take everyone's opinions on too much and every comment that you get that's
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  SPEAKER_01: a little bit hateful or questioning you,
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  SPEAKER_01: challenging you, then obviously that happens.
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  SPEAKER_01: I see a lot of people on the call somewhat as well who really struggle with
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  SPEAKER_01: the haters because, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: obviously they don't really have enough self-love inside yet that they can...
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  SPEAKER_01: Really go, okay, well,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm certain in what I'm saying enough that I can brush off someone else's opinion.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to just go straight to my heart and just cut them down like some of them I see.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's all part of the journey, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, life is this amazing thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: But Cisco, why don't you tell them about why you haven't been posting and you finally did it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's analyze this a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jamie Tworkowski Well, yeah, I'm at the agency of my content creation journey.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been speaking in X spaces with Bruno for a year on a weekly basis.
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  SPEAKER_00: So like that was the practice.
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  SPEAKER_00: But posting just actual posts, I've been not doing that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's been a rut for like six years.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did go viral on TikTok in 2020 making like graphic design wallpapers for your phone.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what that lesson taught me was I was way more concerned with the outcome rather
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  SPEAKER_00: than craft, like loving it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was doing it for all the attention.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then when the attention dwindled, I was like, well, I fucking hate this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to do this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then since then, I'm always just like, what the hell do I want to talk about?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I guess what I've been realizing is I've been so scared
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  SPEAKER_00: to show my authentic self this whole time and the neediness of like,
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  SPEAKER_00: Wanting to do things because other people validate it.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was always intention all this time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And like, I just recently recorded a 40 minute video.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know no one's gonna watch it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just like, I just had to like, just be honest that this is where I'm standing right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've had a lot of input.
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  SPEAKER_00: And like, I don't know what to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I was just kind of honest about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm trying to be... Jamie Tworkowski Have
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  SPEAKER_02: you posted that?
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  SPEAKER_02: He posted.
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  SPEAKER_02: Check out Cisco's video.
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  SPEAKER_02: Come on.
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  SPEAKER_00: I posted one reel and then we'll post another one tomorrow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Everybody please follow Cisco.
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  SPEAKER_02: Everybody follow Cisco and James.
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  SPEAKER_02: Amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead, James.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm experiencing a lot of the feelings because like not a lot of validation was on it, right?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like lots of views and no likes.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, damn.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: So now I'm feeling these things.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_02: Jamie Tworkowski You're feeling it today because you posted today the reels.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: I could feel it.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_02: You're literally feeling it.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Jamie Tworkowski People who know me liked it and people who maybe know me saw it
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: and didn't like it and now they're like, oh, this kid's starting.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: Thoughts like that just...
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: Jamie Tworkowski Is it a bad thing?
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: Jamie Tworkowski It's a good thing because it triggers you and now you can explore the trigger.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then now I like try to get from that.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: So wait a moment.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: This means that your friends are discovering a new side of Cisco?
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: I guess more of like people you've known from like school and back in the day.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: So not connected to them at all.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: So they don't know this side, but they don't know this side of Cisco.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: They wouldn't know unless it was many years ago.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: So no one knows what the hell I'm up to other than maybe stories here and there, you know?
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a little nerve wracking because I'm starting from a very vulnerable,
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: like, hey, I'm not where I want to be.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to get to where, like just somewhere I'm trying to find my target even.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Vibe Session has given me a sense of purpose too.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_00: So having a great conversation has been great.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: And then now it's just what can I do on my own, basically.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I think in this day and age in particular,
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: I think the creators who are honestly more authentic are the ones who are going
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_01: to thrive in the future.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what a lot of people are saying, how true that is.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, people have got a big following already.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's not going to go anywhere.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: The new creators who are going to be successful are the ones who are honest and vulnerable.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: And the biggest thing you don't want to do that I think a lot of people have
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: on social media is build another cage for yourself.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: You want to really use it as shadow work and really growing
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: into your authentic self, again, whatever that means.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: But you don't want to have built this...
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to build this cage around yourself like,
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: oh, I'm the one who's like your kill the samurai video you just made.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: I killed the Buddha.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody killed the samurai.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, Buddha.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: The Buddha, not the samurai.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: Why is that?
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm saying hashtag kill the Vibe Samurai, bro.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_02: What's going on?
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: There's so much hate out there.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_02: So much hate.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know that parable too.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, yeah.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk about it.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: Whoever you get into height
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: should look it up.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: Cisco, ask the question that you left on my comment for James.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, how do you balance sourcing truth from yourself versus learning it from others?
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because Buddha taught you all these lessons, but the ultimate detachment is killing Buddha.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's like now you're sourcing that truth from within.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: But I learned it first from another person.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't have known without them.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is an interesting tension, bro.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: It is an interesting tension.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: It is an interesting tension.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: What's your answer, James Bailey?
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sure he'll have it.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: Because, guys, he is a non-dual coach.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to be going over these fascinating topics soon.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: But go ahead, James.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well...
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think without dropping into that too much straight away, I mean,
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: I definitely,
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen that about myself,
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: like this couple of past years,
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: like how much I do take on others' beliefs straight away.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like if it's something...
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: A new area or something like that, then I'm kind of like a bit of a sponge.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just go like, well, yeah,
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: this person knows more than me because I'm more experienced and I'll take
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: on whatever their beliefs are about it.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I've realised definitely like if they're not in alignment, like you're really just...
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: You're screwing yourself up, really.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: And you'll feel it.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you'll know if it's not right for you.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of people can then delude themselves and you're like,
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_01: well, this person still knows what's – like, they're smarter than me.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: They've been doing it for longer, so I've got to trust them.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: But, like, you'll feel something in your gut or something.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you'll have some kind of inkling that this is not really for you and that's
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_01: when you've got to step into your truth and go, okay, what's true for me?
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_01: And just trust that because at the end of the day, truth is like, it's a relative term.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Everything's true.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: I should have brought a coin, right?
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, like, it's like duality, non-duality.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a coin, right?
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a yin yang coin?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yin yang?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Or any coin.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: We'll say this is a coin.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if this is a coin, it's not.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: But like, if you can only see that side, but I can only see the back.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, but both are true at the same time, right?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Damn, what a metaphor!
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: But you can only see that looking down at the top from the non-dual point of view, right?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my God!
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Truth is, everyone likes to hold on to their truth, like, I'm the one who's got it right.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the way we see the world as it is,
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: because everyone's saying, I'm right, you're wrong.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, that's how you get the world as we see it.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my God.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my God.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: Guys, James, you're fucking amazing.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_02: This is fire because also, guys, I under... Well, I don't understand.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think James understands more than me about non-duality, but his, it's a very...
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: Complicated, deep topic.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: And we're going to use Cisco as a test to see if you understand.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to try to break it down for you, me and James, right?
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: Us combined.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: We're going to talk about non-duality and all that.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: But what's interesting about James is that was the best metaphor of non-duality.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: You gave me a glimpse, James,
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_02: because you have like the one side of the coin and the other side of the coin.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: And from like a Vipassana observer observed side, you can observe something, right?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_02: But then you're saying like, when you're on the edge of the coin, that's non-duality.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: Is that right?
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: Without trying to philosophize it too much and conceptualize it,
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_01: because that is obviously a trap of non-duality, right?
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's trying to intellectually understand it, which is definitely where I'm at as well.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, that's what I'm saying.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: Bro, that is a fire metaphor.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: But okay,
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: let's do this because,
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_02: guys, so James, it's always interesting what people put on their profile, right?
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: You put on basically non-duality, coach or person, or non-duality, and then...
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't say coach or person.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: And then you said no BS spirituality, no BS spirituality, right?
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: None of the new age stuff, which I love as well.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, there's a lot of that.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: For me, that's a bit of a trap these days.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: So you talk about non-duality.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: So Cisco, he's trying to start meditation.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: He hasn't been able to do it.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: He said that he can't sit still for 10 seconds.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know,
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: we've been trying to convince young Cisco to About the benefits of meditation,
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_02: what meditation means, right?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like finding that gap between stimulus and response.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: That gap is, you know, like the... Where was I?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: About stimulus and response and the gap.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: The gap between...
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Can I make the comments go away so I can see Cisco's face?
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: You're behind all these comments.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so you're a non-dual guy.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: So let's start explaining.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: So he has the basics.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: Let's start from the basics.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: I think I have some ideas.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: I want you to lead this and I'll sprinkle in ideas.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_02: But I want to explain because everybody knows mindfulness.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that's a good place to start.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: People have heard of mindfulness.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of apps, popular apps that are more mindfulness-based.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: But this non-duality thing...
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_02: Is a minority, right?
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like not a lot, even if you meditate, you might not understand non-duality, right?
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I kind of wanted to see if you can explain to all of us in a simple terms
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: with metaphors,
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: analogies, anything that help us, like the coin thing, like the coin thing.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Let's try.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: Let's, uh, let's just talk about the thesis go to start with what you're saying then.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: So why can't you meditate or what are you saying?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: Why can't I,
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: I guess, well,
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: I guess my version of it is I've been doing maybe a walking meditation
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: where I've been trying to,
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: no stimulation,
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: no headphones,
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: no nothing, just long walks and trying to clear the mind, let it wander.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like sitting down,
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: I maybe get fidgety or, but honestly, I'm just not putting in the time there.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I feel like when I can get myself into a hypnotic rhythm of like walking,
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: it like helps clear.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I've been starting there.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: And then in small moments like waiting in line or in the car or whatever,
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: like try not to listen to anything with the brain process in the background,
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: which I know is not intentional meditation of like sitting down, close the eyes.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: But I guess introducing a little more.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Jamie Tworkowski I didn't
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: know you did that.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: That is meditation.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know, everybody does it differently.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people who don't meditate, they use exercise, right?
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_02: They get connected, mind-body connection.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: An hour to an hour 30 of walking is like this big path
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: and I just walk straight down, walk all the way back.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's like four miles or something.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: I just like stroll.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: With no nothing?
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: You're not listening to anything?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: Man, that is meditation right there.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: No, James, what do you think?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, exactly.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's, I think people have a misconception of what meditation actually is, right?
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like they think they're meant to,
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, you're meant to sit there and just be still and then what?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like your mind's meant to go blank?
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously that can and does happen,
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: but like you were saying,
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: being aware of what's going on is like the first step and that's,
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's what non-duality is pointing to as well is that like the awareness is
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: the thing and being aware of your mind racing,
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: like not getting caught up into it and getting taken away with it.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you can sit there and say, oh,
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: I couldn't meditate for 20 minutes because my mind was just racing the whole time.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, well, who was aware that your mind was racing?
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: Bruno calls it, he was like, you're the witness to thoughts.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: And we are.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you're also like a spotlight.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: So sometimes thoughts create themselves or you can create them,
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: but you're also the spotlight that gets to focus on it,
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: which then you are the witness spotlight, I guess, that is choosing that focus.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: We can go deeper into that with non-duality and what that says.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah,
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think maybe let's start,
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: we can try a little quick exercise just to get an idea of what I feel works
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: for me anyway,
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: to just understand a little bit deeper about what we actually are
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: and Maybe it is using logic at the end of the day,
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_01: but severing some of these connections between what we actually think we are
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: and identify with so heavily.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe we just close our eyes quickly and it's really simple,
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: but like using your imagination to a degree and all logic.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_01: But so you just hear you've got your eyes closed.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like imagine you've never been able to taste in your life.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: You've never had the sense of taste.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_01: Are you still there?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: You can say yes, that's good.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: If you're still there.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: So imagine now you've never had the sense of smell.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: You've never smelt anything in your life.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: Are you still there?
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm here.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm here.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: You've never felt anything.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: You've never had the feeling of touch in your body.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Never felt anything on the outside.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Are you still there?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: I'm still here.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_02: Bam!
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: I see where this is going.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Keep going.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_01: Now, you've had your eyes closed.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_01: So you're obviously still here.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're a blind, you can imagine you've been born blind.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: You've never seen the outside world ever.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like there is no outside world.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: Are you still there?
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: You're still here.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then you've got to indulge me on the last one.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: But imagine you've never heard.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: You've never heard anything.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Are you still there?
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: That felt sense of self is still there, right?
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like you are still there.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: So through this quite,
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: that's a felt experience of it,
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: hopefully,
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: but you're going to use logic then afterwards,
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: it's going to come in, your mind's going to come in and say, okay.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so that's without the senses, but you're still there.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_01: So without the senses, you would have never experienced the outside world.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: You would just...
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: You'd still be there though, but you would never experience the outside.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: You wouldn't know.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: And through that, I can, for me,
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: deduce that you're obviously not your body,
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: even though we're so heavily identified with our body,
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: but you're still there without the senses.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: You've just gone through that.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're still here, but you've never experienced the outside.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: You've never experienced your body.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: You never heard a sound.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: But you would still be here.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: You're still here.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: So then what else can you be?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: You're not the body.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Then everyone's obviously going to say, well, I'm the mind, I'm the thoughts.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we identify with so heavily.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a big overthinker myself.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I've spent a lot of my life in the beginning in my head.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: But we've all had moments where our mind has been clear.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: At least I hope.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: Now you might not have identified those as that's what it is, but...
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: The moments of flow state,
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: when you're really maybe exercising hard or having sex or your kid got bored
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: or something where you weren't thinking,
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: you were just fully in the moment,
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: like you were just fully present, then you're clearly not your mind either.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: So if that follows for you,
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: then you can say you're not the body-mind, which is sort of what non-duality brings.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Some people call what we are or this human, like a mind body.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: So then if through that you can follow that that's not what we are,
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: then the question is what are we?
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's where sort of like self-inquiry Ramana Maharshi points to.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's what he's asking them.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: What are you?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: Who am I?
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: Can I have one of my eyes?
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: I have now.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: Cisco, what are you, Cisco?
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: That was an incredible exercise.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: If you were to lose your five senses, yeah.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: James, did you make a video of this or can I copy this thing?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: You can, yeah.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: I've made a video of it before.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to make a better one.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I have your permission.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: I'll give you credit.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: You can credit.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: You can credit me.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, my God.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: What an exercise, guys.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: So what do you think?
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_02: What are you, Cisco?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: Answer.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: First of all, did you understand?
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, James.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: Awareness has no language to it.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you can't even attach, like, because language is made up.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: That is true.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: Language is a trap to a degree.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's a beautiful trap.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's all what causes through the mind is what's causing this apparent sense
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: of separation,
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: which is, I mean,
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: whether or not this is necessarily non-duality,
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: but it's a beautiful, I think, Experience.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you start to talk about words like God and that, which is a lot of term for people.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: I like prefer using the word divine, which is like, it's basically God, but it's not saying God.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, what are we?
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what is going on here?
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a few things that have been doing the rounds on social media.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: Bruno, I don't know if you've heard that, the poet like instructions before visiting earth.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: Have you heard that one?
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: I did, but I
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: didn't pay attention.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think I saw it, but I didn't like fully pay attention to it.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: So what's that about explaining to us?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's a beautiful poem a guy's written relatively recently,
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: just like from the point of view of like giving someone instructions for earth kind
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: of thing.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway,
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: it's got a beautiful line in there that I love towards the end and it's along
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_01: the lines of like to break up the monotony of eternity and if you do I guess it's
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: a belief for me, like I don't have a felt sense of oneness yet.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: What non-duality is pointing to that we are all one.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_02: You don't have that felt sense.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: Continue.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: Not a felt sense, like,
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: but like it's a belief still for me,
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: largely, but, uh,
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: it's like,
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: so we are,
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: if we are all one,
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: we're all the divine,
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: like that's what's actually going on here,
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: then Like what would you want as the divine?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: You could have anything.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: This goes back to,
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know as well,
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: Alan Watts has a beautiful video back in the 70s or 80s talking
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: about like suppose you were God and you could dream any dream that you wanted.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like what would you dream?
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: And you'd obviously start off with all the pleasures.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_01: You'd have the most amazing food, the most amazing romantic relationships.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like maybe you'll do this for 40 or 50 nights.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like eventually you're going to get a bit bored.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Eventually you're going to get a bit bored.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_01: Took you 10 years.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: So far not bored.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'll let you know when I get bored.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm kidding.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead, James.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't work for you.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: James, but so let me back up here.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: Guys, what this guy is talking about,
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: he's saying, like,
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: as you walk through your logic,
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_02: what you're basically saying is that we are the divine.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm the divine.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: We're all the divine.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what, whether or not that's non-duality, but that's what it's pointing to to me.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, that's a nicer way of framing it.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, again, it's like, you go back to the coin analogy, right?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know, like,
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: let's say the two major religions in the world,
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: if you want to call them religions,
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_01: obviously they've been turned into religions,
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: but the two major ones that really deal with, like, What's actually going on here?
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously you have like the mystic religions,
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: the mysticism behind all religions,
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: like Christian mystics and like the Sufis behind Islam and that.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: These mystic wisdom traditions, they still hold the truth.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: They haven't really been turned into the religion kind of,
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, doctrine and all of this.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they, I mean,
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: they're still all there,
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: like you can still look up,
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: there's still Christian mystics and these types of things out there.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Not many of them, but like, I don't know if you've heard of Meister.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're saying they made more sense,
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: like Sufi,
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_02: like Rumi, like he was like, yeah, but he's like totally like Zen and dual, no?
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: They are.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: They are.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's what the religion is built on top of is that that's the truth.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_01: And then all the doctrines got put on top,
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: like you need to go and pray and you need to go do this and you need to do that.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like the truths underneath it all, like that's the mystical part.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's called the perennial wisdom,
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: which is what non-dualities also said to be a perennial wisdom.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's the perennial wisdom.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's the universal truth across all religion.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: non-duality doesn't claim it, like Buddhism doesn't claim it as their truth.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's the truth at the root of all real religion, but no one really gets down into that.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: They just go into,
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: you've got to go to church every Sunday and pray and then absolve sins or whatever.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_02: The interesting thing here, James, is we were talking about no BS spirituality, right?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_02: For me, even up to this point, James, I was like, mystics is BS spirituality.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: But you're saying the opposite.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: You're saying for a lot of these,
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_02: like the Sufi tradition and the Christian mystics,
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: you're saying there's like It's the actual truth.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm thinking it's bogus BS spirituality.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: There's different types of mysticism.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Again, that's that truth-false thing.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_01: Everything's true on some degree, right?
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to discredit anything,
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: but it's getting back to that point,
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: Cisco, about what's right for you and what's not.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Certain things are true for some people and they're going to work for them,
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: but I don't think anything's really universal truth,
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_01: like, that you can say, like, this is for you and it's going to work necessarily.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you look at modern new age stuff,
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: like, I don't know, like crystals and Clearings and all these things.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: That to me is,
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: and a lot of people talk about,
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, like human resonance or like solar flares and influence.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like all these things that that's new age, that's spiritual BS to me.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it helps some people.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: To me, a lot of that I think keeps you in your victim
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: where you're like outside influences influencing me
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_02: so much.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: That obviously doesn't reconcile back to non-duality where if we're all one,
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_01: like, Okay, on a relative level, things is going on here.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, we're all having a relative sense, but you've got to just go a little bit ahead.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: Not that there is necessarily time, but like what is going – what's the end game?
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: What's the end game?
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like you either believe in that felt sense or you believe that there is oneness
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: or you believe there's separation.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: And obviously,
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: we all go around thinking we're separate and that's – How this works,
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: I can't control your body, so it all logically makes sense.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: But that was where with the Alan Watts thing and that I was trying to get to,
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: it's like, what would God want?
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, God would probably want an experience of not thinking they're God.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, God can have anything.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: What would you want as God?
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I've had anything.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: I can do anything I want.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe I'll forget I'm God.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_02: Another video idea.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: Keep going, please.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: Keep going.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_02: Keep going.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think that one just lands for me so hard.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, I mean, yeah,
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_01: who knows what the actual truth is, but, I mean,
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: that one kind of,
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: like, feels a bit more resident than, like, poor little old me and...
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: Outside influence of the devil's going to get me and all this.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm just going to be in this cosmic battle forever.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Or I'm free right now because what's wrong in this very moment?
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what's wrong right here, right now?
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: Without thought, nothing is wrong.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's only through thought you can go, well, I don't have the right girlfriend yet.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have $10 million.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have the magical car or house.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: So something is wrong.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: For 99.99% of us, that's not true.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing wrong right now.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: So we just keep chasing a phantom, which is beautiful.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, what else are you going to do?
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's where that line break up the monotony of eternity.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: So what happens to that 1% though?
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: What are they doing?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't want to like this.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to, uh,
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's where non-duality can,
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: for a lot of people, just, like, it cuts through too hard, right?
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a lot of non-duality for a lot of people just turn away from it
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: because it's like there's nothing going on here.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you've got no excuses.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's like this is the truth.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: And, like,
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: if someone's obviously in a lot of pain emotionally or physically,
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: like, I'm not experiencing what they're experiencing.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so non-duality can...
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people hold it as an absolute blanket truth,
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: which probably at an absolute level it is true.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: But if someone's not experiencing that, they can't understand it.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like if your heart's not open to any degree,
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's where a lot of people get,
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_01: a lot of people with non-duality get attracted to it.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's like an intellectual thing, but I don't want to discredit someone's experience.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like if they're having a hard time, And they're in a lot of pain emotionally and physically.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yes,
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: there's obviously ways to work through that,
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: but they're like, oh, it's not real kind of thing, right?
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you don't want to discredit it like that,
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: which I think a lot of people can in non-dual spaces after somewhat.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: They can just go, this is the truth.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, forget all your problems kind of thing.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's true too, but if you can't feel that, there's no point just telling someone that.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, James, could you tell Cisco and our fans or our followers how this fits in?
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: Let's give them some analogies.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: And there's two that really come up a lot, right?
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: But the wave analogy, the wave versus the ocean.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: Can you explain that?
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think, I mean, the one I like, probably the one I like more than the wave analogy.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: The movie screen?
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the movie screen one.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go, let's go.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_02: Cisco, pay attention.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: Pay attention.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: This is going to make everything a lot more clear, okay?
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: What's going on in reality?
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_02: What the truth is?
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: You're about to find out the truth, young Cisco.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead, blow his mind, James.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so...
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: What did you get from that when we did that little exercise and that?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: And like, where were you?
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: You were talking about awareness, right, Cisco?
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what are you?
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: Or when I said, what are you?
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what were you going to say then?
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: Or what did you say?
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: You sort of talked a little bit about it.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_00: I said something like I couldn't even put language to it.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, once I lost all the senses, because then I can't hear.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: I can't.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there's no sensation.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: So...
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I couldn't even put a word to it, what that is, you know?
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: But we know.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: Awareness, I guess.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_01: Which again is another term, right?
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like this idea of awareness is just another word.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: So we don't want to get caught up in words and terminology,
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: which a lot of people do with non-duality.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, oh, yeah, we're just awareness.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, that is just another word.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: But using the analogy...
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: That a lot of teachers point to.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure if this comes from Yogananda first, who wrote Autobiography of the Yogi.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: But the analogy being that, so what are we actually?
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone thinks we're the movie, we're like the characters in the movie, right?
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're watching a movie.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: If you're watching a movie on the screen, you're like, I'm Cisco, that's me over there.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm James and you're Bruno.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like if this little screen that we're all looking at,
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: This is the movie of life.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is the three of us.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: This is the movie.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_01: This is our little movie of life.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm James.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm Bruno.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's Cisco.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you're Bruno.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I can't move Bruno's body or do anything like that.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, I'm just little old me, right?
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's me.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: The analogy is you're not the movie because we've gone through that exercise.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you're not your body.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: You're not the mind.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: So what actually are you?
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: You're actually the screen that everything is on.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're in the movie projector looking at the movie,
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: the movie is not there without the screen.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like if there was no screen,
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: there wouldn't be a movie because the movie would just project into nothing.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like you wouldn't see it.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're not the movie.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: We're the screen that the movie is playing on,
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: which is, that's where the analogy for awareness comes in.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Without awareness,
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: without something that is aware of what is going on here,
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: then nothing actually occurs.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's like that a lot of coans would point to this,
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: like in the Zen tradition or the simple one that everyone knows,
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: it's kind of a coan.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like if a tree falls over in the woods, does it make a sound?
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, Well, if no one's there to hear it, it doesn't actually make a sound.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's like if no one is there to be aware of it,
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: if there's no awareness, then nothing's happening.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like nothing is really happening.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_01: Which when you go further into non-duality,
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: which I have not experienced,
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_01: but that's where, yeah, like
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_01: that's where And Buddhism talks about this as well.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: They talk about the void, like nothingness, right?
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's like, that's what I was trying to say.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: That's another duality kind of thing,
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_01: like between Hinduism,
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: like yoga is all like Hinduism, let's say as a religion and Buddhism.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like kind of,
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_01: they're the two major ones that talk about the truth of what's going on, I guess.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously,
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_01: Hinduism's got a lot of facets to it,
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_01: but Advata Vedanta,
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: which is non-duality,
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_01: that's the ancient That's all the wisdom behind non-duality,
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_01: I guess, which is more of a modern term for it.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: But Advaita Vadana translates to that.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: But basically,
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_01: in Hinduism,
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_01: they sort of say,
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: everything's God,
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_01: everything's the divine,
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_01: which is what I was pointing to earlier,
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: which is a nicer, warmer, fuzzier way of saying it.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if everything's the same, if everything's divine, then nothing is divine.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing, right?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothing that stands out.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: Then you could say nothing exists because if everything's the same, then what's different?
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then that's like how you get Buddhism says there's nothing.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've heard that, right?
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_01: Buddhism says there's no God.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: There's the void.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: There's nothingness.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: To me, again, it's like it's two sides of the same coin.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's, again, it's thought.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's interpretation of it.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's...
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: They're both pointing at the same thing, but you're using words to explain it.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: But Cisco, going back to that movie analogy.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_02: The screen, yeah.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_02: You like the screen.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: I've heard people say you're the director,
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_00: you're the actor in it, and then now...
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: You're the screen, bro.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_02: You're the screen.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_02: Look, look.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_02: You can have a frightening scene, for example.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it's not going to damage the screen.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_02: So we don't we don't like it.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_02: You can move through the experience without a
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: scary movie.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's not truly going to jump out at you.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so you have the choice between stimulus and response.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, interesting.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_00: But is there no projection element towards the screen or you just are
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: the You know what I'm saying?
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're saying stories behind the screen will be projecting out.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_00: Quiet, James.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't understand this question.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, no.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I love it too.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is our ego, let's say, right?
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I...
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_01: I still, I'm not ready to let go of everything, right?
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm not willing to say like I'm doing nothing like here,
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: which is what we go deeper into non-duality.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is what it says, right?
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: There's no like, there's no thinker.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like you don't think your thoughts,
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: which is,
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fully okay with that one because I've been,
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_01: what's really landed for me the last couple
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: of years is like I've been having intrusive thoughts, really challenging thoughts.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_01: And before that I was like,
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so smart,
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so clever,
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: like thinking I'm like, that was again one of my compensation strategies growing up.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: When you start to have thoughts that you don't like so much,
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_01: like you're like, hmm, start to ponder, are you actually the thinker?
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: So non-duality says you're not the thinker.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: You don't think your thoughts, they just come in.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_01: And it also says you're not the doer either.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like I use the divine saying it's just the divine flowing through.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: And Hinduism talks about God's leela,
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: God's play, that if we are all one, like it's just the divine dance.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like we're not really going to solve the world's problems.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_01: There is nothing wrong with the world because it is just how it is.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like, It's all just flowing.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's all just this divine dance of grace.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: And the ego is this false sense of I.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: We do have the true I,
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: which is our felt sense of that when you close your eyes and you went through all of
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: that and you're like, okay, I'm still here.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: What is that?
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's the true I, which is the I we all share.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same eye for Bruno, yourself, Cisco, and me.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone in the world, that is the one eye.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: We obviously don't think that.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: We think, oh, this is me and Bruno separate from me.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: But that's what non-duality is pointing to.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: That felt sense of eye is the one eye.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_01: But our ego latches onto actions, like I'm moving my hands now and says, I'm doing it.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_01: This is James moving his hands.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_01: But all of that is thought.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like when you got to that same point Cisco, right?
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like saying,
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: I've gone through all this and then like without thought,
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: like there's no thought here.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like I have to think that's my hand and claim this is my hand.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_01: Otherwise things are just happening.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_02: You have to claim it.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: You're right.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: Otherwise you're just like, well, it just shit's happening.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: Which is beautiful, right?
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's again, that's like the dance of duality.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's like God,
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: it's like forgetting your God and then claiming I'm just this little separate self.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not everything.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: But that's obviously what non-duality is pointing to.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, no, you're everything.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: You just think you're Cisco.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: I just think I'm James.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: And it's that key word, think, it's thought.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, so when do you think this experiment is over?
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_02: And God will say, okay, I had enough fun.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_02: I want to remember now.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: So what happens then, bro?
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_02: Let me ask you that.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: Five, six, the question of the century, bro.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know where this shit comes from.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead, James Bailey.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think about that?
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what happens when you die.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: But when you... Non-duality certainly...
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not going to say I'm not afraid of death,
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: but it's certainly when you go into it a bit deeper,
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: it starts to break that fear up.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_01: Tell us.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to be scared of dying because I'm old now.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: I'm 51.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_02: So I got to start thinking about these things.
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_02: Tell me.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: Tell me why we shouldn't worry about death.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_02: Really.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm curious.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it obviously depends what you identify with, doesn't it?
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_01: Then if you can follow that logic of non-duality, I mean, just go back to that exercise we did.
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're right.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_01: Why am I afraid of that?
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: Your ego is scared.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_02: Your ego is scared.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my God.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm blown today.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_02: The best vibe session ever, guys.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody give it up to James.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_02: I'm glad for that.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_01: Damn.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think...
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that's probably right.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like the ego is the one who's going to die.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_01: And this is what a lot of things,
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think this comes from the Sufi tradition say, it's like, what is enlightenment?
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's to die before you die.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: It is ego death.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's to stop thinking you're this little individual sense of self
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: and realize your oneness with the universe and everything.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then you are free.
• 54:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, Who knows what comes next,
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: but we obviously all assume it's death and lights out, and maybe it is.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows what happens?
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm not going to say I know what happens next.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously,
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: you've got all these nice near-death experiences and everything like that
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: that make you feel cosy.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: Equally,
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_01: on the other hand,
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: there's a lot of people who bring a whole lot of fear into it, like,
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: if you don't do the right stuff,
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: obviously hell and heaven and hell and all this,
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: and there's various machinations of that.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: LAUGHTER
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't think it's something to be afraid of anymore.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's just going to be some new experience for awareness.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like now I'm slowly understanding because I've talked to people that seem
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_02: to be more enlightened and the common theme comes further ahead of me on this thing.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_02: They say, no fear.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: There's no more fear.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_02: No fear.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_02: There's nothing to fear.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: Because of all this, right?
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: Fear is a big one, right?
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_02: In terms of our emotions and it prevents us from doing a lot of things
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_02: that we should be doing, etc., etc., right?
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_02: But no fear.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think about that?
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, 100%.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, all fear ultimately comes from that separation.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_01: All fear comes from thinking you are a separate self.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's the root of all fear.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why social media is a beautiful thing because you're like,
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_01: you're going to show up as yourself and it's bringing that fear of separation up.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, can I be, can I like just show myself and be who I am?
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, if you're one with everyone, like nothing's going on here.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like you are, you're not separate, but obviously that's confronting that fear of separation.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the trippiest thing for me,
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know for you, Bruno,
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: obviously you're doing it a lot too,
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: like sharing videos yourself, like editing and looking at videos of yourself.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know, has it become trippy for you at times?
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm just like editing the video of me looking at it.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, sometimes it becomes, it's like when you lose.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's not trippy for me, but what I do is I'm just like watching my video like 30 times.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_02: Literally, I'm watching 30 minutes of my own video because I cannot believe that's me.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_02: It was very cringy in the beginning.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like the first like 30 videos.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_02: I can't even rewatch those videos.
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_02: I literally, I will be in so much pain.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm in so cringe mode.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_02: I cannot finish those videos.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_02: But now I make a video.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, damn, this was the best video ever, brother.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_02: You put your heart and soul into it.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, wow, that's the experience I'm thinking right now.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_02: I love it because I feel like I'm being more and more authentic.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_02: And in fact,
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_02: I decided as a content creator because I could make videos to get millions of views.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_02: I know how.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_02: Like there's certain things you can do now.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_02: People like validation.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_02: So you make those kinds of videos, right?
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_02: And it'll get a lot of views.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_02: But now I decided like everything that I talk about has to serve And it has to be
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_02: as truthful and as accurate as possible.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_02: So instead of chasing the numbers,
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm becoming more and more aligned to what I really want to do.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_02: And it's just been amazing.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_02: So James,
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_02: for our audience,
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_02: for Cisco,
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_02: do you encourage every single person to post and get involved in social media?
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because I really feel like I'm beginning to think yes,
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_02: because like,
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_02: especially with how the algorithms are doing,
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_02: everybody's going to find each other somehow.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_02: If you truly put out your authentic self, I feel like the algorithms are going to match you up.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_02: But what are your thoughts on this?
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what do you, do you encourage everyone to post or what do you think?
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's not for everyone.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean, well, exactly.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: Why not?
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think it's not for everyone.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_01: Probably like nothing is right.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like, You can't say everything's for everyone, but why not?
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone should give it a go.
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like anything in life, I guess.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think just consistency and persistence, you can do anything in life, right?
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_01: Why not?
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_01: You could learn to be a world-class pianist if you just put the effort in and try.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_01: Anyone can do anything.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's just the consistency.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what I think that's like there is natural talent to a degree
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: and I guess if someone's a bit more extroverted and outgoing,
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: they're going to have an easier time on social media,
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_01: but then they might get views quicker and this type of thing.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_01: But it's not to say that someone who's not can't and the people who are like that,
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: which would be me,
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: myself, Polly, and maybe Cisco and I don't know, maybe you too, Bruno.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_01: Me too.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: When you actually do that and you actually get through it,
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you don't get the easy likes because you're good looking or you've got
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: a good body or whatever it is that like a lot of people do get immediate success
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_01: on Instagram, let's say.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: But it's kind of a bit cheap, right?
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you've just taken the easy path.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: If you actually had to do more of the shadow work,
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: you've had to post the content like we all have and get no views
• 1:00:18
  SPEAKER_01: and your ego gets bruised and challenged.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: And it's an ego death process constantly.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_01: Now, on the other side of that,
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_01: your ego gets a bit bigger,
• 1:00:29
  SPEAKER_01: like yours might be now, Bruno, and mine is at times two.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_01: It dies, it dies, and then it probably becomes a bit bigger.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: But if you can keep the awareness of that and not get lost in it
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: and not think you are God, even though you are, but don't think it.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_02: Don't walk around and be like, I got it all fucking sorted out.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_02: We should do that.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_02: We should make a set of t-shirts.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, but so tell us what you have learned then,
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_02: because you're saying this is shadow work and you're recent on the scene.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_02: So, but like your early read, what's been going on.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_02: By the way, when did you start posting actively?
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_02: And tell us about like what you learned from this experience yourself.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, when did I – I've been posting actively for – yeah, probably since November last year.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think there's a period where you're kind of like,
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_01: let's say,
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_01: yelling into the void almost would be what I would call it,
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_01: where you're just like posting.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_01: You've maybe – you've gotten over that fear of like what are other people going
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_01: to think of me,
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_01: but then you're not playing the game,
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_01: like I said,
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: or you're not doing the things or you – You either don't know what you're meant
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_01: to do or because you haven't done a course.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know how you've figured things out, Bruno,
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_01: but like you can just throw a video up of yourself talking or rambling on, right?
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_01: And if no one watches the first three seconds, you get no retention, then no one watches it.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_01: No one sees you.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't matter.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like even if you were Buddha and spitting absolute gold,
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  SPEAKER_01: like if no one watches your video, then like no one sees you.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_01: You do have to...
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but see, the thing with me is I literally...
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_02: So let's contrast that because it's very interesting.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_02: Even with the hook thing, I don't really focus on my hook.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_02: I try to test some hooks with AI,
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  SPEAKER_02: but it's like I'm not super... And in fact, my skip rate is pretty high.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know, on a lot of my videos, but I don't know what's going on.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, but I still getting follows and things like that.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_02: So somehow the algorithms are still locating the right people for the message
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  SPEAKER_02: that I'm sending out, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, so for me, literally January 6th.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it's been my story is that it's been like a 10 year journey.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'll save that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then now I've become the Vibe Samurai and What were you talking about Cisco?
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_02: I forgot.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're talking about your journey
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  SPEAKER_02: right now posting.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 1:03:31
  SPEAKER_02: So I started posting.
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  SPEAKER_02: So finally I got to the point and I started Vibesesh with Cisco here on another platform.
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  SPEAKER_02: We did that for a year.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_02: I was a host on a language platform.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I was being forged during this period, right?
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_02: I was doing everything for fun,
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_02: but without even realizing it, I was being forged to do this, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So you said January 16th, was it?
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  SPEAKER_02: How many, how many?
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_02: I pressed the button.
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  SPEAKER_02: I said to myself, I'm just going to make a talking head video.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't care about lighting.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm just going to use my iPhone.
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  SPEAKER_02: I made it as frictionless as possible because I was delaying,
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  SPEAKER_02: delaying,
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  SPEAKER_02: delaying for so many years,
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  SPEAKER_02: even though I got many, a lot of signs saying, do it, do it.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're amazing, right?
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_02: And so finally, whatever universe, whatever source, finally, I pressed the record button.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was even talking about communication because actually my day job is I'm
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_02: a communication coach for international professionals.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I was making videos like that and I thought to myself, I'll talk about something that I know.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I just made a video, I used AI, I do a lot of brainstorming with AI, right?
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_02: And the scripting and everything, it's a huge process.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that's what I did.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: And then I posted, oh, accountability.
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  SPEAKER_02: I said to myself,
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  SPEAKER_02: you're going to finally do this and you're going to promise yourself
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  SPEAKER_02: that you're going to do 100 videos, one video per day.
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  SPEAKER_02: And no matter what happens, no engagement, no anything, you are going to keep going.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that was a commitment to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then I pressed the record and I started adjusting.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_02: At first I was talking about communications,
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  SPEAKER_02: very cringe, and slowly kind of got better at all these things.
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  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I didn't take a course.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't super focus.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_02: What I really focused on in my content was really getting engaged in the comments
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  SPEAKER_02: and really understanding what people needed,
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_02: which then started guiding me towards Better and content that would serve people,
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  SPEAKER_02: which I think I'm doing now.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was my dream.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty quick, right?
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously it happens for a lot of people.
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  SPEAKER_01: How many followers did you have on January 16th then?
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  SPEAKER_01: Zero.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_01: Zero?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's been six months that I've grown to where I am, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: In six months, you've grown half a million followers.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty good.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd be interested to know others who've done that.
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  SPEAKER_02: By the way,
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  SPEAKER_02: I started on TikTok on January 16th,
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  SPEAKER_02: and it took me three extra months to get on Instagram
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  SPEAKER_02: because I had some problems signing in or this and that,
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  SPEAKER_02: but it took me an extra time.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's half the time on Instagram.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_02: Now I have more followers on Instagram than TikTok.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I love Instagram much more.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's more insane.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_02: You understand?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I was just posting the old videos, obviously.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't making new videos,
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_02: but I was posting the old videos from TikTok to my Instagram,
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  SPEAKER_02: and then it just started taking off.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, which is crazy, right?
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_02: So, yeah.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, awesome.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a pretty amazing story because that's not the norm, right?
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_01: Most people will be – I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: the consistency is beautiful and you've obviously – I mean,
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_01: you're at a point in your life,
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess, where you're not going to bullshit yourself anymore.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_01: You've really tried and you've obviously healed enough of whatever was going
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  SPEAKER_01: to hold you back in the past.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you literally posted for 100 days straight, like most people can't do that, right?
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_01: Most people can't even post for – I don't know, a week, a week straight.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like that is something I did.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_01: I did, I did post for 30 days straight too.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that definitely helped me get over that fear of being seen and make like for me,
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_01: perfectionism was a big thing.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like this video needs to be like perfect, whatever that means.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so that really got me over that.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's something that was holding me back.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_01: That holds a lot of people back.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Thinking you don't know enough,
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_01: thinking everyone's smarter than you and everyone's like said everything
• 1:08:01
  SPEAKER_01: that can be said on the topic.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_01: And like this guy's got like hundreds of thousands of followers.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so they know everything.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why would I post a video?
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah,
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_01: all the,
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_01: all the,
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  SPEAKER_01: all the things you can say,
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_01: all the things you say to yourself to hold yourself back.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's all these things we say to keep ourselves small.
• 1:08:21
  SPEAKER_02: They're like, well,
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, so James, do you catch yourself fast like that when you're thinking like that?
• 1:08:28
  SPEAKER_02: Because you're a non-dual guy,
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  SPEAKER_02: you study,
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  SPEAKER_02: you know, like, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_02: so you feel like you actually starting to post,
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_02: did your background in non-dualism and all that help you move quicker?
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_02: Or what would that experience be like?
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, for me,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I don't know for you, Bruno,
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_01: but like when non-duality came in, like, Non-duality made no sense to me before.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, it was only this past, say,
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_01: year and a half where I've been really through a dark period myself
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: that stop thinking you're the thinker and all this stuff.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_01: Stop identifying so much.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: Your ego starts to get a few cracks in it.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you've got a very strong egoic sense of self,
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_01: like I probably did before,
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_01: like, when you hear non-duality, non-duality in me just made no sense.
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I was just like, what?
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's not the answer.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to keep going trying to figure out my life and make more money or whatever.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_01: So non-duality really has only landed for me in the last year or even less actually.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've heard of Landmark.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_01: Have you heard of Landmark, that course?
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_02: Tell us more because I know you... Just so much to talk to you about, James.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_02: Give us a summary and set us up because there's so many interesting parts
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_02: of your journey and I think one of the most...
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_02: I want you to talk more about it,
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: but the whole entities thing,
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_02: the demons stuff that you talk about, what was that all about?
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't really understand what was going on.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe you can take us from there and then like how you ended up at Landmark
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_02: and you even talked about therapy.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_02: I want to know, you went through a certain type of therapy, I think, which you found useful.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, set us up with all that.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's going to be a long story.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to try and keep it short.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_02: Here we go, guys.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_02: Buckle up.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Where do we start?
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say, yeah.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_01: We'll lay a little bit of groundwork.
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  SPEAKER_01: My upbringing, my mum was Jehovah's Witness.
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  SPEAKER_01: So,
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  SPEAKER_01: I was exposed to a lot of the concepts like demons and hell and all this stuff at
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_01: a young age.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_01: I broke away from that.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_01: My dad wasn't religious,
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  SPEAKER_01: so we kind of had this dual experience of one religious person and the other not.
• 1:11:06
  SPEAKER_01: So that was an interesting upbringing.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_01: But that was obviously in my subconscious, sitting there, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And at 12, 13, my logical brain really developed.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, I'm like, Mum, who created God?
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Mum couldn't answer me that one, so I just pulled away from it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I studied engineering finance,
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  SPEAKER_01: went into corporate finance for a couple of years, worked there, went backpacking.
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  SPEAKER_01: After that, quit.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, maybe money's not the answer.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, seeing all these guys who are multi-millionaires and like,
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  SPEAKER_01: that was my,
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_01: some of my intuitive ability there, still like, these guys aren't happy.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, explain that.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_02: How do you know they're not happy?
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  SPEAKER_02: Probably not the answer.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_02: How do you know they're not happy?
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_01: I can only look back on it now and say that at the time,
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_01: but I worked for two and a half years and then I quit.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, well, I don't think this is for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people,
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
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  SPEAKER_01: don't make that decision and just keep working and get stuck in that cycle
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  SPEAKER_01: of just chasing money.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_01: But you don't
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  SPEAKER_02: think they're happy because they're chasing money,
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_02: but they have a great family, they have a great relationship and other stuff.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Again, I'm saying this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't speak for anyone else, can I?
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_01: But this is my interpretation.
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Got it.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_01: This is what I interpreted.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_01: And so I quit after that, went backpacking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Went traveling.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, then that was where I found inner dance was in the Philippines.
• 1:12:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was from a friend I met in India.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_02: What is inner dance?
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_02: You're an inner dance coach, right?
• 1:12:53
  SPEAKER_02: What is inner dance?
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  SPEAKER_01: Inner dance facilitator, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a process using sound that takes you on a hero's journey.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's like a sound medicine practice, I guess.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_01: So we're using sound.
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  SPEAKER_01: Back in the day when Pi the founder first created it and founded it
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  SPEAKER_01: with some other facilitators and developed it into using sound,
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_01: we build the sound up in a series of waves that kind of match like REM sleep.
• 1:13:23
  SPEAKER_01: So you go through like a couple of waves where it pushes you into your sympathetic,
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  SPEAKER_01: like it triggers you a bit,
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  SPEAKER_01: but brings stuff up to be worked through,
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  SPEAKER_01: but then drops you back down into very Delta relaxing states
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_01: and It doesn't necessarily trigger everyone, but it can.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's just,
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_01: it holds you in a very beautiful space for seeing things differently and working
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_01: through things.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_01: And a very powerful experience for me initially,
• 1:13:54
  SPEAKER_01: because I was obviously very logical, studied engineering finance, very left brain.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I had done some Vipassana and yoga before this in India,
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_01: so I was opening up a little bit, some of that more intuitive side, let's say.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, this first experience of inner darts I had, my body started moving on its own.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_01: My hips were moving.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_01: It first started in my fingers and toes.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_01: They're just like,
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  SPEAKER_01: And then the facilitator like lifted my arm and then lifted up,
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_01: starts moving and like making mudras and stuff.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then this one, then my hips are moving.
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I remember thinking at the time like,
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_01: maybe I've just like,
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_01: I've got to have more sex or maybe it's all like repressed sexual energy.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like why my hips are moving so much.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on here?
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:14:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what is going on?
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what is going on?
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  SPEAKER_02: In your mind,
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  SPEAKER_02: you're like,
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_02: this is repressed sexual energy while this whole thing is going on
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  SPEAKER_02: during this fucking inner dance therapy.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's amazing.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_02: Not therapy.
• 1:15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Not therapy, but that's like your, I mean, this is where the minds go.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is where your minds go, right?
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, some of the things that come in, like, you can't make logical sense of it.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, for me,
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  SPEAKER_01: that was like,
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_01: that was mind blowing because before that I was very logical,
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_01: like make money, get a job, get a house, like whatever.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like taking five grams of mushrooms.
• 1:15:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's the equivalent you're saying.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:15:29
  SPEAKER_01: Some people equate in a dance to doing ayahuasca or something like that.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like people go out of their bodies and have all kinds of experiences.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to set expectations.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Don't want to set expectations.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_02: So you're a facilitator.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Tell us about the successful facilitations.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_02: What happened to these people that you facilitated?
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Well, well, this was, this was my first session ever that I did myself.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that was very eye opening for me,
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_01: I guess, that kind of broke a lot of paradigms of like, what's going on here?
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because before that I was very, very logical.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_01: So then you kind of open up to this more spiritual side.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, what's happening here?
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like you stop thinking everything's so logical and makes everything that just,
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_01: it has to make sense.
• 1:16:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like you stop moving away from that science side a little bit,
• 1:16:27
  SPEAKER_01: like I'm going to figure everything out through logic and you start to just open up
• 1:16:31
  SPEAKER_01: to a possibility a bit more.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_01: So then I did a five day training with Inner Dance,
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_01: the next, because it was perfectly designed that he was doing a training.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I had some very powerful experiences there that it wasn't until, I mean,
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_01: that was the first time being an overthinker that I had a moment where I was like,
• 1:16:52
  SPEAKER_01: I actually was the witness.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was like,
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_01: my mind went blank during one of the sessions,
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_01: which was like, it depends on a relative sense of that powerful for you or not.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_01: For me, it was very powerful at the time because I was just, I thought I was the thinker.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm thinking these thoughts in my head.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's me, right?
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like the one who's thinking these thoughts, like I was so heavily identified with that.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and when my mind went blank and I'm like, Oh, there's someone else here.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like actually had an experience of the witness truly.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that was very powerful for me.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_01: And, and then I had another experience afterwards where after the session finished,
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_01: I went to the bathroom.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like I was doing everything I was meant to be doing,
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_01: but I wasn't doing it,
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_01: which was actually a very non-dual experience,
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_01: but I had no framework for that at the time.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like I, and inner dance isn't necessarily rooted in non-duality.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, but I was like washing my hands and I was like, everything just felt right.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like I was exactly where I was meant to be doing it.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_01: I was doing everything was just perfect,
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_01: but it was like that sense of self of me doing it had kind of gone for like
• 1:18:05
  SPEAKER_01: about one minute.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, It wasn't me anymore doing it,
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_01: but I didn't feel I was oneness with everything,
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_01: but the egoic sense of self had broken away a little bit.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_01: So these are very powerful experiences that I didn't really realize the magnitude of.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_01: I was more attracted to everyone's like talking about,
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I revisited my past lives and I left my body during this inner dance.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Oh, I just thought I wasn't my mind anymore.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, The things that ego does, right?
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_01: You're like chasing experiences, chasing peak experiences.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_02: So you're saying they didn't have that experience when they were under the inner dance whatever?
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, they did.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, everyone has, you don't know what anyone experiences.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying like,
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_01: I had powerful experiences,
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_01: but then I even, my ego said, no, that's not powerful enough.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I want what that, I want what they had.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I want to go out of my body.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of like when Harry met Sally and she has the orgasm and she's like, I'll have that.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_01: Which is what we're doing our, Which is basically what we are doing our whole lives, right?
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, you missed the magic right under your nose.
• 1:19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's where, again, non-duality for me, it's like, what's the alternative to all this?
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the void, nothingness.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_02: But James, James, so if we follow your non-dual logic, which was amazing, right?
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Cisco, so check this out.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_02: This is a really important question.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, if we buy or we agree with, like, it seems very logical.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_02: And we are the divine, right, James?
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_02: We're all the divine, right?
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_02: Assuming everything that you said, that's the logical conclusion, correct?
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_02: We are all divine.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:20:00
  SPEAKER_02: So if we are all the divine, so how should we live our lives?
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_02: What's your advice?
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_02: If you feel that framework,
• 1:20:10
  SPEAKER_02: the non-dual,
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_02: and you understand the logic,
• 1:20:12
  SPEAKER_02: and you believe it,
• 1:20:13
  SPEAKER_02: and you really want to live it,
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_02: How should we live our lives given we know about non-duality?
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_01: You just do what you do because non-duality is going to say there is no doer there,
• 1:20:29
  SPEAKER_01: like you're not doing anything.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_02: Why that's so nihilistic?
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_02: Let's now bring in nihilism because you made a video about this
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_02: and I'm feeling nihilistic now, James.
• 1:20:43
  SPEAKER_02: Just talking to you, I thought I would feel more connected or something.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to go through all these things because nihilism is just fear, right?
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's just fear coming up.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to go into that.
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_01: What is that?
• 1:20:59
  SPEAKER_01: You've got to go into that darkness and come out the other side and go, well, fuck it.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_01: I can either be stuck in nihilism and afraid or I can be the same,
• 1:21:10
  SPEAKER_01: like nothing matters and just live my life.
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_02: That's true.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's only two choices.
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because everyone's afraid.
• 1:21:18
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want to be nihilistic.
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_01: Nihilistic is stupid.
• 1:21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Stupid, I guess, but what's it pointing to?
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Why would you be nihilistic?
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you've got to go into that.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_01: What's there?
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then you've got to come out the other side of that and go, well,
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 1:21:34
  SPEAKER_01: but why would you not live your life and do as amazing things as possible?
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_01: You are the divine transcended into a human form.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_01: Go and fucking live your life and do whatever you want.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Literally, whatever you want.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_02: You can do whatever you want.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's interesting.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_02: This is my implication.
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_02: When I asked you, how do you live your life, what does that mean, James?
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_02: If I want to just play video games all day, cool?
• 1:22:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's cool?
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_01: If that truly makes you happy, if that truly makes you happy, why not?
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: If you are fully immersed in the video game, why not?
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_01: But you're probably not, are you?
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_01: You probably are immersed in it because you are losing that sense of self.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_01: You're losing the egoic sense of self.
• 1:22:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's why people play video games is because they don't have to keep up the facade
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_01: of I'm James Bailey anymore.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_01: James Bailey's gone.
• 1:22:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm one with the video game.
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_01: It is a non-dual state.
• 1:22:37
  SPEAKER_01: It is a flow state.
• 1:22:38
  SPEAKER_01: When you're playing a video game, you're fully immersed in it.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Which is kind of, you could use as an analogy of what we're doing here.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the divine playing a video game.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's the same, it's like, it's the same type of thing.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_01: But are you doing it as, are you doing it for escapism?
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're not happy with your life the way it is and You can't show up fully.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know, like you get too many hate comments when you posted your first video.
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_01: So you've just given up on social media or your boss is an asshole.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_01: So you can't face it.
• 1:23:15
  SPEAKER_01: You can't quit and go get a new job.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_01: So you just drown your sorrows in a video game.
• 1:23:20
  SPEAKER_01: Then that would not be using a video game or using your life in the best way.
• 1:23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Would it?
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_02: What does that mean?
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_02: Best way?
• 1:23:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's all non-dual bro.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_02: What's the best way?
• 1:23:29
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:23:30
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like you could, it's up to you, isn't it?
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_01: Even though it's not.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, it's all one big paradox,
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_02: but what are you?
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so confused.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_02: I thought I was going to get enlightened today.
• 1:23:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'm more fucking confused than ever, bro.
• 1:23:55
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 1:23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Holy shit.
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:24:01
  SPEAKER_02: We are the divine.
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_02: Cisco, how do you understand all this?
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead, Cisco.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_00: What are you thinking right now?
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Kill the Buddha.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Kill James Bailey, man.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't claim I was the Buddha.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Ben definitely didn't say that.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_00: No, I was referencing his video from...
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_01: I know, I know, I know, I know.
• 1:24:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like the... You said something like...
• 1:24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like you are God, but you're not.
• 1:24:32
  SPEAKER_00: You guys are joking about a t-shirt too.
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_00: It made me think about that.
• 1:24:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think we should make that t-shirt.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_00: I've been wanting to make a t-shirt for a while, Bruno.
• 1:24:41
  SPEAKER_01: You've got the audience to sell it.
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_01: You've got the audience to sell it.
• 1:24:43
  SPEAKER_02: We'll do collaboration.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_02: Let's do a collaboration.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_02: Let's do it.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_02: Let's do it.
• 1:24:49
  SPEAKER_02: Let's collaborate.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_02: This is amazing.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so happy that James is so cool.
• 1:24:54
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think, Cisco, so far?
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's a very grounding conversation.
• 1:25:01
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just making me think like, Language is like the technology of the ego, right?
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_00: And it needs to live through our attention on it.
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then when you completely remove it, it's starved of any attention and it dies.
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, I love the lose the five senses.
• 1:25:19
  SPEAKER_00: And it's just like, what are you?
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then just coming back to that source,
• 1:25:26
  SPEAKER_00: you know, I have to simply kind of meditate on it more.
• 1:25:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I think if you could put yourself in a really relaxed state
• 1:25:33
  SPEAKER_00: where your body feels heavy on like a bed too,
• 1:25:36
  SPEAKER_00: you can really just focus at that point.
• 1:25:42
  SPEAKER_00: I really appreciate the conversation overall.
• 1:25:46
  SPEAKER_00: You just never have these conversations on a daily basis.
• 1:25:50
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like I've been needing it too because I'm trying
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_00: to start my social media journey and there's just a lot of triggering that's going
• 1:25:59
  SPEAKER_00: to happen and it's opportunities to breathe into it and detach from it and
• 1:26:05
  SPEAKER_00: then just keep pushing forward.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think that's where for me,
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_01: like non-duality,
• 1:26:14
  SPEAKER_01: like Trying to understand it logically and this type of thing,
• 1:26:19
  SPEAKER_01: like, oh, I've got it now.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's not the answer, but it is a better frame.
• 1:26:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's a better framework.
• 1:26:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's a better framework than what most of us are doing,
• 1:26:29
  SPEAKER_01: which is, like,
• 1:26:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a separate individual self and, like,
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_01: God's outside and everyone else is doing their own thing,
• 1:26:37
  SPEAKER_01: which they obviously are,
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_01: but it's, like,
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_01: it's just poor little old me, like,
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_01: in this big, bad,
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_01: scary world and, like,
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to post a video on social media and some people are going to hate it and,
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_01: like...
• 1:26:46
  SPEAKER_01: What's going to happen if I do this?
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Or I can't ask my boss for a raise because like,
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he's going to say no,
• 1:26:52
  SPEAKER_01: or I can't ask for a promotion or I can't ask that girl out.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, it all comes from that fear and that sense of separation.
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like you are a separate self.
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's how we obviously deal.
• 1:27:04
  SPEAKER_01: Come into this world as a separate self through,
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_01: like as a child, I don't know, have you got kids, Bruno?
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_01: But they say like children don't have that sense of self when they're like,
• 1:27:15
  SPEAKER_01: they've obviously got their wants and their needs to be safe and to fully come into
• 1:27:21
  SPEAKER_01: a human body.
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_01: But like as a one-year-old, they don't know they're a separate self yet.
• 1:27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like they just, they do think they are one with everything.
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like they're like, where's the outside?
• 1:27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:27:33
  SPEAKER_01: And they gradually go through that listening to everyone else who thinks they're
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_01: a separate self talking like, oh, this is me.
• 1:27:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's you.
• 1:27:42
  SPEAKER_01: You get called a name and you develop an individual sense of self.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's all through.
• 1:27:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's all through.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_01: It is all through language and thought.
• 1:27:55
  SPEAKER_01: And then obviously the first thought that comes into your head,
• 1:27:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not, I am and I aren't God, so I don't know.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_01: But the first thought that I think comes into your head that's an actual thought is I.
• 1:28:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's when you recognize the name people have been calling you and you say, that's me.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_01: You claim it.
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's the start of the ego is I'm James.
• 1:28:17
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's been saying this name.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_02: The start of the ego starts with I.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's another t-shirt right there.
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_02: The start of the ego starts with I.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's another t-shirt or coffee mug right there.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_02: James, we're going to become gazillionaires.
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_02: Let's collab.
• 1:28:34
  SPEAKER_02: I really feel like we should do some kind of course.
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm lazy, so you do all the work and I'll get 5%.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_02: Great deal, 5%.
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_02: Why not?
• 1:28:42
  SPEAKER_02: No, but really, the way you're explaining non-duel, bro, you got to get out there, man.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_02: You got to make more videos.
• 1:28:50
  SPEAKER_02: You got to create a course together.
• 1:28:52
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_02: You're amazing.
• 1:28:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's good.
• 1:28:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my God.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_02: Did you know how great of a teacher you are or no?
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I like to keep myself humble,
• 1:29:03
  SPEAKER_01: but yeah,
• 1:29:03
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't had a whole,
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_01: I have not taught non-duality or,
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_01: and I don't want to become a teacher of non-duality because like your video
• 1:29:10
  SPEAKER_01: about kill the Buddha points to like,
• 1:29:11
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to, I don't want to get stuck in that guru trap.
• 1:29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like you see,
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_01: there's so many beautiful teachers on YouTube,
• 1:29:19
  SPEAKER_01: like, and the famous ones at the moment.
• 1:29:21
  SPEAKER_01: And, uh, I mean, they are amazing teachers.
• 1:29:26
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like, to me,
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_01: it's like when they try and answer any question, like that's what makes you a guru.
• 1:29:31
  SPEAKER_01: But like someone comes to you and asks you a question and you can't say,
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know the answer to that.
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like,
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_01: that's the point you become a guru and you've kind of,
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_01: to me, then probably built another cage where, is that the truth or not?
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:29:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it doesn't matter at the end of the day,
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_01: but then if that like, Traps you into not then being authentic and true.
• 1:29:54
  SPEAKER_01: If something then comes up in your life,
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_01: like that's how I think all these things like sexual scandals and that happen
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_01: with gurus and this type of thing is because they've like,
• 1:30:03
  SPEAKER_01: oh, now I'm the perfect one.
• 1:30:05
  SPEAKER_01: I'm the guru.
• 1:30:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like I need to know everything.
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_01: And like they can't be authentic and own their own shit and their own humanity.
• 1:30:14
  SPEAKER_01: So that's it.
• 1:30:17
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think there are gurus that don't fall into the guru trap?
• 1:30:21
  SPEAKER_02: Or do they all fall into the Uru trap?
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think on some level?
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think there would be, there's the exceptions.
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I mean,
• 1:30:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to name names and I don't know,
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_01: but like someone like Ramada Maharshi, I don't know if you've heard of him.
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:30:38
  SPEAKER_01: He's like one of the famous non-dual teachers.
• 1:30:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, even though it's not non-duality, but that's what he's pointing out.
• 1:30:44
  SPEAKER_01: He's the one who's talked about self-inquiry, like who are you?
• 1:30:48
  SPEAKER_01: At the end of the day,
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know exactly when,
• 1:30:50
  SPEAKER_01: but I think the last 20 or 30 years, his teaching was silence.
• 1:30:54
  SPEAKER_01: He just sat in silence and just...
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like I'm not going to talk anymore because language,
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_01: language like we've looked at Cisco is not the answer.
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like he's like, people aren't getting this.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_01: They like, they think it's something to intellectualize.
• 1:31:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm just going to, I'm just going to be silent.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_01: And you're either going to get through the presence of like what I'm trying
• 1:31:19
  SPEAKER_01: to imply here, that it's, it's right here right now.
• 1:31:22
  SPEAKER_01: There is nothing to do.
• 1:31:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like, It's just right here.
• 1:31:26
  SPEAKER_01: Don't think.
• 1:31:28
  SPEAKER_01: Where's the separation without thought?
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_02: James, let me ask you something.
• 1:31:34
  SPEAKER_02: So you're still on your non-duality journey, right?
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like what you're saying is you're on your path, but you just still feel separate.
• 1:31:44
  SPEAKER_02: You don't feel that full oneness.
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_02: How do you get there then?
• 1:31:50
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think needs to happen?
• 1:31:51
  SPEAKER_02: What's happening there that you're not able to feel the one that's just more ego,
• 1:31:55
  SPEAKER_02: you need to strip away the egos and all that?
• 1:31:58
  SPEAKER_02: What is necessary for you to reach full connectedness?
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_02: And is that possible, you think?
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, for me, there's fear.
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's the thing that holds everyone back, right?
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it holds you back in all kinds of degrees, like we've said.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_01: It holds you back from posting on social media,
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_01: holds you back from asking for a promotion, holds you back from asking the girl out.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's all fear.
• 1:32:24
  SPEAKER_01: And the biggest fear is obviously losing that, is your ego as well, is the ego death.
• 1:32:31
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what people do take psychedelics to experience, is ego death.
• 1:32:37
  SPEAKER_01: But true ego death,
• 1:32:38
  SPEAKER_01: sustained ego death is like there's going to be a lot of fear you're going to have
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_01: to face there.
• 1:32:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say that's what's holding me back.
• 1:32:49
  SPEAKER_01: People talk about enlightenment and that in a non-dual sense.
• 1:32:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's not something you can actually do though.
• 1:32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's...
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's the grace of God or the grace of the divine if that actually happens to you.
• 1:33:04
  SPEAKER_01: You can meditate all you want forever, but you can't force enlightenment.
• 1:33:09
  SPEAKER_01: You can't make it happen.
• 1:33:13
  SPEAKER_02: So anyone who's selling you a course
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_01: saying this is going to make you enlightened is lying.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's a lot of teachers and maybe people who do
• 1:33:27
  SPEAKER_01: If they really have had it and then try and teach it to others,
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_01: it's like the way they got there is not the way you're going to get there.
• 1:33:37
  SPEAKER_01: That's the paradox of this thing.
• 1:33:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, we're all one, but everyone's got a separate path to get to oneness.
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_02: And your motto is like, stop seeking, start living, right?
• 1:33:49
  SPEAKER_02: Stop seeking, start living.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:33:53
  SPEAKER_02: Stop seeking, start living.
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_01: That for me came from the whole,
• 1:34:00
  SPEAKER_01: that was from what came to me from Landmark was I was definitely seeking like you,
• 1:34:07
  SPEAKER_01: that first in a dance experience in 2014,
• 1:34:10
  SPEAKER_01: that really opened that spirituality up for me.
• 1:34:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's where you go from, or I did, and a lot of people do, go into the spiritual space.
• 1:34:20
  SPEAKER_01: You go from materialism to spirituality.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_01: You've dropped the bigger house,
• 1:34:26
  SPEAKER_01: bigger car,
• 1:34:26
  SPEAKER_01: better job for enlightenment or the search for wholeness or healing, whatever it is.
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_01: And that's where you've turned your search,
• 1:34:37
  SPEAKER_01: your seeking behaviour from a bigger house, more money into spirituality.
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so that was what I was doing,
• 1:34:47
  SPEAKER_01: consuming a lot of spiritual material,
• 1:34:50
  SPEAKER_01: reading a lot of books,
• 1:34:51
  SPEAKER_01: thinking I just need to get more answers and then I'll become enlightened
• 1:34:55
  SPEAKER_01: or something like this, like thinking the knowledge is in a book somewhere.
• 1:35:04
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, it was really that three-day landmark course, which has roots in Zen Buddhism.
• 1:35:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's got...
• 1:35:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like a lot of people talk about it being a cult and certainly got some aspects
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_01: that aren't maybe great, but it's got a core of like some Zen Buddhism in there.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_01: And on that third day,
• 1:35:22
  SPEAKER_01: they really like,
• 1:35:24
  SPEAKER_01: they go into you and you've got a choice then to either like kind of get it
• 1:35:29
  SPEAKER_01: or you're like, nah, what's going on?
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't understand.
• 1:35:33
  SPEAKER_01: And your ego fights it kind of thing.
• 1:35:36
  SPEAKER_01: But really for me, that collapsed, that collapsed the seeking.
• 1:35:39
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, in that moment, I'm like,
• 1:35:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's here now.
• 1:35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Where else is there to be or go?
• 1:35:50
  SPEAKER_02: James, your Instagram, what's the mission then?
• 1:35:52
  SPEAKER_02: Why are you there?
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_02: Because you're doing that for yourself as well.
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Is that it or is there a mission for your page?
• 1:36:01
  SPEAKER_02: Because you do say that you're a non-dual person, right?
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've said non-duality,
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_01: not spiritual bullshit.
• 1:36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's the philosophy,
• 1:36:23
  SPEAKER_01: if you want to say,
• 1:36:24
  SPEAKER_01: that I'm interested in and the framework for life that I'm interested
• 1:36:28
  SPEAKER_01: in versus like, yeah,
• 1:36:30
  SPEAKER_01: little old me on this planet and With external influence influencing me
• 1:36:34
  SPEAKER_01: and poor old me and the victim story.
• 1:36:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like that doesn't interest me anymore.
• 1:36:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, I'm like you.
• 1:36:43
  SPEAKER_01: I want to help people as much as possible come back to that truth and realise it.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_01: Whether or not you actually realise it but at least start to question your beliefs
• 1:36:56
  SPEAKER_01: and your understandings and everything you take for granted.
• 1:37:01
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously,
• 1:37:01
  SPEAKER_01: everyone's walking around like they're their own individual separate self
• 1:37:04
  SPEAKER_01: and this sense that I'm a separate self and everything kind of reinforces that,
• 1:37:09
  SPEAKER_01: but to just question it.
• 1:37:13
  SPEAKER_01: And then you can really start to liberate yourself on more and more degrees
• 1:37:17
  SPEAKER_01: and start to see through the ego.
• 1:37:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then when you can start to see through the ego a little bit,
• 1:37:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that sense of little old me in the world starts to fall away,
• 1:37:34
  SPEAKER_01: then that's when you can have the courage and the confidence to go
• 1:37:37
  SPEAKER_01: and put yourself out there,
• 1:37:39
  SPEAKER_01: to post a bit more on social media or ask for the raise or get the promotion
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_01: or build the brand or whatever it is, right?
• 1:37:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's like that's the basis of the understanding that really helps you because
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_01: if you think you're this little poor individual sense of self
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_01: and bad things can happen to you, Which,
• 1:38:01
  SPEAKER_01: bad experiences can happen,
• 1:38:02
  SPEAKER_01: but it's all, again, it's relative and it's how you label it, isn't it?
• 1:38:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's just an experience until you say it's bad.
• 1:38:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a label in point
• 1:38:10
  SPEAKER_02: in time, right?
• 1:38:11
  SPEAKER_02: Bad and good is just a label in point in time, right?
• 1:38:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's just a label.
• 1:38:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's all duality, isn't it?
• 1:38:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, bad doesn't mean anything except in reference to something else.
• 1:38:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you had that matrix scene where there's just like blankness,
• 1:38:28
  SPEAKER_01: like whiteness and like,
• 1:38:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 1:38:30
  SPEAKER_01: you have the devil there or something like just within this space of nothingness.
• 1:38:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's like,
• 1:38:35
  SPEAKER_01: it doesn't mean anything unless you've got something to reference it against
• 1:38:41
  SPEAKER_01: to say that's the devil or that's bad or this is a bad experience.
• 1:38:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's just an experience until you come in with a mind and say, oh, this is bad.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think James is destined to be a guru.
• 1:38:56
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think?
• 1:38:57
  SPEAKER_02: This dude is dropping bangers and bars and socks.
• 1:39:01
  SPEAKER_02: You're going to be a guru soon, dude.
• 1:39:03
  SPEAKER_02: Mark my words.
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_00: He has a lot of wisdom, which I really appreciate him sharing.
• 1:39:09
  SPEAKER_00: I will say that.
• 1:39:10
  SPEAKER_00: I know he doesn't want to be the guru.
• 1:39:11
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:39:15
  SPEAKER_02: James, tell us why your post where you were naked got banned.
• 1:39:24
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently you can't post that on Instagram.
• 1:39:27
  SPEAKER_02: Did you show your private parts, bro?
• 1:39:30
  SPEAKER_02: You showed your private parts?
• 1:39:32
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:39:33
  SPEAKER_02: And they took it down just because you didn't have a shirt?
• 1:39:37
  SPEAKER_01: I was completely naked, but I was holding my private parts.
• 1:39:41
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 1:39:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's banned?
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_02: Damn, they're really conservative.
• 1:39:46
  SPEAKER_02: What are you talking about?
• 1:39:49
  SPEAKER_02: You see all these girls with all their butts and everything hanging out,
• 1:39:52
  SPEAKER_02: and they're going to ban you for that?
• 1:39:54
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:39:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what happened, if somebody flagged it or not, because it's pretty funny.
• 1:40:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's still up as a trial reel.
• 1:40:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'll send it to you, because I posted it as a trial reel first, and that's still up, so...
• 1:40:07
  SPEAKER_01: Clearly the AI or whatever isn't consistent.
• 1:40:12
  SPEAKER_01: But I did flag it for a review.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_01: I flagged it for a review and said, this doesn't violate your thing when they said it does.
• 1:40:19
  SPEAKER_01: And it's on Facebook as well.
• 1:40:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's on my Facebook.
• 1:40:24
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, so James, so for AI, since you're non-dual, it's not good or bad?
• 1:40:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's just it is what it is?
• 1:40:30
  SPEAKER_02: Or what do you think about AI?
• 1:40:31
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think about AI?
• 1:40:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, definitely it is.
• 1:40:35
  SPEAKER_01: It is what it is.
• 1:40:38
  SPEAKER_02: It is what it is.
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_02: The greatest fucking invention of all time.
• 1:40:43
  SPEAKER_02: It is what it is.
• 1:40:45
  SPEAKER_02: See, it's so nihilistic.
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_02: I can't do this.
• 1:40:48
  SPEAKER_02: I want to forget all my non-dualism because I'm so excited about AI.
• 1:40:53
  SPEAKER_02: I don't like this.
• 1:40:54
  SPEAKER_02: It is what it is.
• 1:40:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there's equally, you're on that side of the camp.
• 1:40:58
  SPEAKER_01: There's equally a whole bunch of people on this side who think it's the end of the world, right?
• 1:41:05
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, but you want to sit on top so you're not involved in this bullshit.
• 1:41:10
  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
• 1:41:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I
• 1:41:12
  SPEAKER_01: can see both sides.
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows what's going to happen?
• 1:41:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know what's going to happen.
• 1:41:19
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what's going to happen?
• 1:41:21
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:41:21
  SPEAKER_02: James, do you miss drinking or what?
• 1:41:23
  SPEAKER_02: I would have loved to have some wine with you, some Australian wine.
• 1:41:28
  SPEAKER_02: What happened?
• 1:41:29
  SPEAKER_02: Tell us about your stop drinking and no coffee.
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_02: What's that all about?
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_01: I did say that, I put that up as a headline, but I do drink occasionally still.
• 1:41:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you do?
• 1:41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:41:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't not drink,
• 1:41:43
  SPEAKER_01: but I get to that point,
• 1:41:45
  SPEAKER_01: which maybe you're at now, Bruno,
• 1:41:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 1:41:47
  SPEAKER_01: but that point where you've enjoyed it and you want more,
• 1:41:51
  SPEAKER_01: that's the point I stop at now.
• 1:41:53
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:41:57
  SPEAKER_02: You see this a little bit up here and I say, I'm not going to drink this.
• 1:42:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's almost a bottle, right?
• 1:42:04
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm going to finish.
• 1:42:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to order a hamburger right after this and finish this fucking bottle.
• 1:42:10
  SPEAKER_02: I already know, but it's non-dual, so we're all good.
• 1:42:15
  SPEAKER_02: I'm the divine.
• 1:42:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I want to do.
• 1:42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Cisco, do you have any questions?
• 1:42:24
  SPEAKER_01: You might have some good dreams tonight,
• 1:42:25
  SPEAKER_01: but you probably won't because you've had too much wine.
• 1:42:27
  SPEAKER_01: But otherwise, you'll be having some interesting dreams.
• 1:42:31
  SPEAKER_02: Cisco, what do you think?
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have any questions for our beautiful guest, Mr. James Bailey?
• 1:42:37
  SPEAKER_00: No,
• 1:42:38
  SPEAKER_00: but I would say I liked how he's just sharing that we're all the same consciousness
• 1:42:44
  SPEAKER_00: and then it's just our ego is trying to separate us by individualizing us and...
• 1:42:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's making me think a lot more.
• 1:42:53
  SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting because we had a guest that was all about duality.
• 1:42:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it's funny to hear.
• 1:43:00
  SPEAKER_00: Was it Tara or was it?
• 1:43:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 1:43:03
  SPEAKER_00: She wrote a book called The Duality.
• 1:43:07
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, her whole premise is like both sides.
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_00: And then it's interesting to just say, no, you know, non-duality.
• 1:43:15
  SPEAKER_00: There's,
• 1:43:17
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 1:43:17
  SPEAKER_00: you have a hard selection rather than The balance of two,
• 1:43:22
  SPEAKER_00: unless I'm misinterpreting it.
• 1:43:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're right.
• 1:43:24
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 1:43:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the framing I got from the duality, James,
• 1:43:27
  SPEAKER_02: from that,
• 1:43:30
  SPEAKER_02: it made sense to me at the time because she was also saying like she wrote
• 1:43:33
  SPEAKER_02: a book called Duality or something like that.
• 1:43:36
  SPEAKER_02: It has something to do with duality.
• 1:43:38
  SPEAKER_02: And she's a poet as well.
• 1:43:39
  SPEAKER_02: And she was just talking and she said there's like different That you should enjoy both sides.
• 1:43:46
  SPEAKER_02: So in some ways it is non-dual.
• 1:43:49
  SPEAKER_02: She's saying like both sides come together and you got to enjoy the good and the bad
• 1:43:54
  SPEAKER_02: and the spicy and the sweet.
• 1:43:57
  SPEAKER_02: So I do feel like maybe she wasn't using the non-dual language,
• 1:44:01
  SPEAKER_02: Cisco, but I think The way I was feeling it was non-dual, which is interesting.
• 1:44:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, with his coin thing, like, you know, that was all of it's true.
• 1:44:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess she was kind of saying it, but was it really non-duality?
• 1:44:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 1:44:19
  SPEAKER_00: If it's all right.
• 1:44:22
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:44:24
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 1:44:25
  SPEAKER_01: Non-duality, you don't want to reject anything.
• 1:44:27
  SPEAKER_01: Non-duality is oneness.
• 1:44:32
  SPEAKER_01: Non-duality encompasses everything.
• 1:44:35
  SPEAKER_01: It is the divine.
• 1:44:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's God.
• 1:44:37
  SPEAKER_01: What's your definition for God?
• 1:44:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I don't know.
• 1:44:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the guy on the Sistine Chapel anymore, I hope,
• 1:44:44
  SPEAKER_01: for most people,
• 1:44:45
  SPEAKER_01: but it's still that such an ingrained image,
• 1:44:47
  SPEAKER_01: isn't it, that you can't, that's like the archetype of God.
• 1:44:51
  SPEAKER_01: It's like even you say that's not how you think of God,
• 1:44:55
  SPEAKER_01: but really in reality most people will go there.
• 1:44:59
  SPEAKER_01: But what's another definition for God?
• 1:45:01
  SPEAKER_01: It would be like infinite, everywhere, and eternal, like outside of time.
• 1:45:08
  SPEAKER_01: So basically it's God's everything, isn't it?
• 1:45:12
  SPEAKER_01: So why would you not be God?
• 1:45:14
  SPEAKER_01: Why are you not a part of God?
• 1:45:16
  SPEAKER_01: But we think of ourselves as this little individual separate sense of self, like poor little me.
• 1:45:23
  SPEAKER_01: Rupert Spirit has a beautiful video on this talking about,
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_01: like, The real blasphemy is saying you're your individual sense of separate self.
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_01: The real blasphemy is saying I'm James,
• 1:45:33
  SPEAKER_01: not saying I'm God,
• 1:45:35
  SPEAKER_01: even though you don't go around saying you are because it doesn't feel right
• 1:45:38
  SPEAKER_01: and it doesn't make sense.
• 1:45:40
  SPEAKER_01: And obviously the one who says that through this voice is not God
• 1:45:44
  SPEAKER_01: because I'm not everything, am I?
• 1:45:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's my ego talking still.
• 1:45:49
  SPEAKER_01: But to say you're cut off from the divine...
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's like the real blasphemy.
• 1:45:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you're saying the divine doesn't go everywhere.
• 1:45:58
  SPEAKER_01: God is not everywhere, pervading everything.
• 1:46:01
  SPEAKER_01: You're not a part of God.
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_01: No, yeah, I'm just a little poor old me and God's out there.
• 1:46:09
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's really blasphemous because then you're saying God's not everywhere
• 1:46:12
  SPEAKER_01: and God's not all-powerful kind of thing.
• 1:46:15
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:46:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, everything, yeah.
• 1:46:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you can't even talk down on yourself anymore, you know.
• 1:46:24
  SPEAKER_00: You are part of the divine.
• 1:46:27
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 1:46:27
  SPEAKER_00: You can if you want to.
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_00: You can if you want.
• 1:46:30
  SPEAKER_02: You can do whatever you want.
• 1:46:32
  SPEAKER_02: Bro, you know what's so freeing?
• 1:46:34
  SPEAKER_02: In this way, it's so freeing.
• 1:46:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because you can do whatever the fuck you want.
• 1:46:39
  SPEAKER_02: Which you always could.
• 1:46:41
  SPEAKER_01: Which you always could, but yeah.
• 1:46:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, I think...
• 1:46:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's interesting.
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's where, like, non-duality is coming out more in the mainstream, I guess, a bit, right?
• 1:46:55
  SPEAKER_01: And this is the wisdom that's in all the traditions.
• 1:46:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of been hidden,
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_01: because there obviously is a danger here that egos take it and kind of try
• 1:47:07
  SPEAKER_01: and control the world and everything, I guess.
• 1:47:09
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of fear there.
• 1:47:11
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe it is what's happening in the world.
• 1:47:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:47:13
  SPEAKER_01: But...
• 1:47:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's been hidden behind a lot of mysticism and a lot of tradition
• 1:47:24
  SPEAKER_01: and all these things that it's not so explicitly stated.
• 1:47:27
  SPEAKER_02: James, but I'm being serious though.
• 1:47:29
  SPEAKER_02: You did a great job today, man.
• 1:47:32
  SPEAKER_02: It was just so interesting.
• 1:47:34
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like I'm not like an advanced non-dual guy and I understood a lot,
• 1:47:39
  SPEAKER_02: but you made so many ideas so clear for me.
• 1:47:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I want to say thank you and I appreciate you,
• 1:47:46
  SPEAKER_02: but I really feel like you should, you got to bring this out to the world.
• 1:47:50
  SPEAKER_02: This is a, don't you think Cisco, this is your kind of first taste of non-duality, right?
• 1:47:56
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't it cool?
• 1:47:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:47:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:48:00
  SPEAKER_00: I really appreciated it.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_00: And if he's not talking more about it, he should.
• 1:48:08
  SPEAKER_01: Let's do a course.
• 1:48:10
  SPEAKER_01: We'll do a course.
• 1:48:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to watch some of your videos, Bruno.
• 1:48:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I get straight to...
• 1:48:17
  SPEAKER_01: I hook the audience without using a hook, which is obviously what you're doing.
• 1:48:22
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever you're doing through your communication skills,
• 1:48:26
  SPEAKER_01: I guess, which is obviously a good background for social media, isn't it?
• 1:48:29
  SPEAKER_01: So that's probably what's really helped you take off,
• 1:48:32
  SPEAKER_01: I guess, is you've got whatever that is that you probably don't even...
• 1:48:37
  SPEAKER_01: You probably don't even understand that's what you're doing,
• 1:48:40
  SPEAKER_01: but it is what you're doing because of your background.
• 1:48:42
  SPEAKER_01: But you're like, I'm just being Bruno.
• 1:48:45
  SPEAKER_01: But if that's your background, that's obviously what you've got there in the background.
• 1:48:51
  SPEAKER_01: So you're not fumbling your words and you're not like,
• 1:48:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know,
• 1:48:55
  SPEAKER_01: whatever everyone else does who's like,
• 1:48:59
  SPEAKER_01: starts on social media,
• 1:49:00
  SPEAKER_01: is showing up,
• 1:49:01
  SPEAKER_01: but they don't really want to show
• 1:49:02
  SPEAKER_01: because they still haven't really figured themselves out.
• 1:49:05
  SPEAKER_01: So they're like, I'll post this video again.
• 1:49:07
  SPEAKER_01: But I don't actually want to be seen.
• 1:49:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm going to self-sabotage so I don't actually get seen.
• 1:49:13
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll fumble a little bit.
• 1:49:14
  SPEAKER_01: I won't use captions or like I'll say like, hi, I'm James at the start of the video.
• 1:49:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like I used to and think that's what you meant to do.
• 1:49:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like no one cares.
• 1:49:24
  SPEAKER_01: They like, they don't need to know your name on every video.
• 1:49:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like all the things people do, right?
• 1:49:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like you don't do that.
• 1:49:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think Bruno in your videos, otherwise you wouldn't have built your audience.
• 1:49:35
  SPEAKER_01: You have.
• 1:49:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's what I say.
• 1:49:37
  SPEAKER_02: Vibes don't lie.
• 1:49:38
  SPEAKER_02: Vibes, energy don't lie.
• 1:49:40
  SPEAKER_02: So whatever I'm doing,
• 1:49:41
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just throwing myself out there,
• 1:49:43
  SPEAKER_02: James, and trying to be as authentic as possible.
• 1:49:46
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever that means, I know.
• 1:49:48
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, man, that's now messing everything up, man.
• 1:49:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's the thing I'm
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_01: When you think you've got everything figured out,
• 1:50:03
  SPEAKER_01: that's like the kill the Buddha moment, right?
• 1:50:05
  SPEAKER_01: You think you've got it all figured out, fucking question things.
• 1:50:11
  SPEAKER_02: If you think, hey,
• 1:50:13
  SPEAKER_02: before we leave,
• 1:50:14
  SPEAKER_02: there's so many things we wanted to cover where we should like end
• 1:50:17
  SPEAKER_02: in like seven minutes.
• 1:50:18
  SPEAKER_02: But James,
• 1:50:19
  SPEAKER_02: let's talk about this because you talked about like,
• 1:50:23
  SPEAKER_02: I do these breakthrough call coaching sessions, right?
• 1:50:26
  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of people come to me and they say, hey,
• 1:50:28
  SPEAKER_02: I've been,
• 1:50:30
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to reveal anybody,
• 1:50:31
  SPEAKER_02: but let's just say that they want to make videos and they have,
• 1:50:36
  SPEAKER_02: but they,
• 1:50:38
  SPEAKER_02: you know, like So one person came and said to me, this is actually very common.
• 1:50:45
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk about spiritual bypassing, right?
• 1:50:47
  SPEAKER_02: Because one thing I noticed,
• 1:50:49
  SPEAKER_02: and when I saw your video,
• 1:50:50
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, you're the one who introduced me to spiritual bypassing.
• 1:50:53
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, what is that?
• 1:50:54
  SPEAKER_02: What is that?
• 1:50:56
  SPEAKER_02: And then I realized I've met so many people like that,
• 1:51:00
  SPEAKER_02: where they've done years of inner work,
• 1:51:05
  SPEAKER_02: and they took all the courses, read all the books, Right.
• 1:51:09
  SPEAKER_02: And they get to a point where they did do true inner work.
• 1:51:12
  SPEAKER_02: They've gotten rid of a lot of their demons and this and that,
• 1:51:15
  SPEAKER_02: but now they become identified with that.
• 1:51:18
  SPEAKER_02: And now it becomes a blind spot because they're like, oh man, I've done all the work.
• 1:51:22
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I don't know what's going on, but I want to talk to you.
• 1:51:25
  SPEAKER_02: And then we talk and I figure out like, ah, what about this?
• 1:51:28
  SPEAKER_02: What about, and they're like, Wow, okay.
• 1:51:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like you had the blind spot still.
• 1:51:33
  SPEAKER_02: And it's very easy to get into that blind spot.
• 1:51:36
  SPEAKER_02: And there's like other people who have very traumatic experiences, right?
• 1:51:41
  SPEAKER_02: But then at some point they found Buddhism and meditating.
• 1:51:47
  SPEAKER_02: And then they haven't dealt with their inner trauma, their like childhood trauma.
• 1:51:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because they were able to spiritual bypass using what they, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:51:57
  SPEAKER_02: Intellectualizing it.
• 1:51:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, trauma happened.
• 1:52:02
  SPEAKER_02: There's no me.
• 1:52:03
  SPEAKER_02: There's no me.
• 1:52:04
  SPEAKER_02: So who did that trauma happen to?
• 1:52:07
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:52:08
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, on a nervous system level, they haven't dealt with it.
• 1:52:11
  SPEAKER_02: So it is dangerous, this spiritual bypassing, because it gives you this sense of, I don't know.
• 1:52:17
  SPEAKER_02: But anyway,
• 1:52:17
  SPEAKER_02: I want you to talk about it because you do a much better job
• 1:52:20
  SPEAKER_02: about spiritual bypassing.
• 1:52:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think you've nailed it there.
• 1:52:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's definitely a risk with non-duality in particular,
• 1:52:27
  SPEAKER_01: because it is very heady trying to understand it.
• 1:52:33
  SPEAKER_01: There is nothing to understand, but there is.
• 1:52:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, it's a paradox for me anyway.
• 1:52:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think when you're truly there, it's not a paradox anymore, but it's still a paradox for me.
• 1:52:44
  SPEAKER_01: But like, yeah,
• 1:52:45
  SPEAKER_01: you don't,
• 1:52:46
  SPEAKER_01: if you are using it to bypass your pain and suffering and what's alive for you,
• 1:52:51
  SPEAKER_01: then yeah, that's where, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:52:55
  SPEAKER_01: If it helps you, then maybe it's not a bad thing.
• 1:52:58
  SPEAKER_01: But if it doesn't help you and it's,
• 1:53:01
  SPEAKER_01: You're still in pain and suffering and you're still an arsehole to people,
• 1:53:06
  SPEAKER_01: even though you think you're enlightened and you think you're spiritual.
• 1:53:09
  SPEAKER_01: You've just got this spiritual ego.
• 1:53:11
  SPEAKER_01: I don't exist,
• 1:53:12
  SPEAKER_01: but you're still like an arsehole to people,
• 1:53:14
  SPEAKER_01: like how you actually show up with your loved ones and your family.
• 1:53:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that is like that beautiful rum dust quote, right?
• 1:53:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like you think you're enlightened, go spend a week with your family.
• 1:53:23
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you've heard that or not,
• 1:53:24
  SPEAKER_01: but like it is, yeah, that is a beautiful test of where you actually are.
• 1:53:30
  SPEAKER_01: How triggered do you get?
• 1:53:33
  SPEAKER_01: Are you really free of your own suffering and your own like incessance
• 1:53:40
  SPEAKER_01: on how things should be or not?
• 1:53:43
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, that's really where you see spiritual bypassing, I guess.
• 1:53:46
  SPEAKER_01: But it's very easy to do, right?
• 1:53:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like another beautiful analogy is like a fish in water, right?
• 1:53:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like a fish doesn't know it's in water, but it is.
• 1:53:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's like.
• 1:53:58
  SPEAKER_01: If you're bypassing, it's very hard to see you're bypassing.
• 1:54:05
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:54:05
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, what was that trigger test again, James?
• 1:54:08
  SPEAKER_02: The Ram Dass trigger test?
• 1:54:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a quote from him.
• 1:54:14
  SPEAKER_01: You think you are enlightened, go spend a week with your family.
• 1:54:19
  SPEAKER_01: Go spend a week with mom and dad and see if you're non-reactive.
• 1:54:23
  SPEAKER_01: Go spend...
• 1:54:25
  SPEAKER_01: Go spend a week with your brothers and sisters and see how non-reactive you are.
• 1:54:29
  SPEAKER_01: Because that'll really show you
• 1:54:35
  SPEAKER_01: if you can sit on your little meditation cushion
• 1:54:37
  SPEAKER_01: and meditate and think you're perfectly,
• 1:54:40
  SPEAKER_01: everything's zen, I'll go test it in the real world.
• 1:54:44
  SPEAKER_02: James, it's so funny.
• 1:54:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm about to make a video where I talk about some kind of triggering...
• 1:54:52
  SPEAKER_02: What was it?
• 1:54:53
  SPEAKER_02: It was like, I forget.
• 1:54:54
  SPEAKER_02: It was something about mood that I'm working on, right?
• 1:54:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I wanted to pick something that universally triggers people.
• 1:55:02
  SPEAKER_02: And the best that I came up with was like,
• 1:55:04
  SPEAKER_02: when you're at Starbucks and they give you the wrong milk for your latte,
• 1:55:08
  SPEAKER_02: you know,
• 1:55:09
  SPEAKER_02: whether it's skin and like,
• 1:55:10
  SPEAKER_02: how do you react to that is a true test of enlightenment.
• 1:55:15
  SPEAKER_02: But you're saying, go spend some time with your family, one week with your family.
• 1:55:19
  SPEAKER_02: You think that's better than the...
• 1:55:21
  SPEAKER_02: Barista thing?
• 1:55:22
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm making a video.
• 1:55:23
  SPEAKER_02: I want to make it super impactful.
• 1:55:25
  SPEAKER_02: Which do you think is more annoying?
• 1:55:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know.
• 1:55:32
  SPEAKER_01: Whether or not it's annoying, right?
• 1:55:33
  SPEAKER_01: But everyone, you just think that's so, everyone does it, right?
• 1:55:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you're getting aggro with your family and your loved ones,
• 1:55:41
  SPEAKER_01: like it's that fish in water thing again.
• 1:55:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, this is just how it is.
• 1:55:44
  SPEAKER_01: We argue.
• 1:55:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you can easily justify the arguing, which is spiritual bypassing, right?
• 1:55:51
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, they don't know.
• 1:55:54
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm the enlightened one now.
• 1:55:57
  SPEAKER_01: I understand spirituality.
• 1:55:59
  SPEAKER_01: I understand the truth.
• 1:56:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're just ignorant.
• 1:56:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's okay.
• 1:56:03
  SPEAKER_01: They trigger me because they're stupid.
• 1:56:05
  SPEAKER_01: They don't get it.
• 1:56:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's spiritual bypassing.
• 1:56:08
  SPEAKER_01: If you're going to justify...
• 1:56:11
  SPEAKER_01: If you're going to justify bad behavior,
• 1:56:13
  SPEAKER_01: like if you're raising your voice with your family,
• 1:56:16
  SPEAKER_01: if you're yelling at them,
• 1:56:18
  SPEAKER_01: if you can't tolerate certain things about them and you think they should change,
• 1:56:24
  SPEAKER_01: if you're like with my mum,
• 1:56:26
  SPEAKER_01: for example,
• 1:56:26
  SPEAKER_01: if I'm like, oh,
• 1:56:28
  SPEAKER_01: like I used to try and convince her that she's like Jehovah's Witness is a waste
• 1:56:32
  SPEAKER_01: of time and she's wasting her life.
• 1:56:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like if that's what I truly believe and want to convince her, like that's not spiritual.
• 1:56:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like, but I could be like, no, I'm helping her to become better.
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, no.
• 1:56:50
  SPEAKER_01: This is what the ego does.
• 1:56:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's what religion does.
• 1:56:55
  SPEAKER_01: Tells the world how it should be, right?
• 1:56:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, you can't have your tribal faith.
• 1:57:01
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to convert you all to Christianity.
• 1:57:03
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe God's going to save you.
• 1:57:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:57:07
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks.
• 1:57:07
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 1:57:09
  SPEAKER_02: Let's end on this note.
• 1:57:10
  SPEAKER_02: We did two hours.
• 1:57:11
  SPEAKER_02: We usually go 90 minutes.
• 1:57:13
  SPEAKER_02: We did 120.
• 1:57:14
  SPEAKER_02: James Bailey, I am so grateful to you.
• 1:57:16
  SPEAKER_02: We need to do this again, my friend.
• 1:57:18
  SPEAKER_02: And we need to collab.
• 1:57:19
  SPEAKER_02: Merchandise.
• 1:57:21
  SPEAKER_02: We're building an empire, brother.
• 1:57:23
  SPEAKER_02: Let's talk DMs.
• 1:57:24
  SPEAKER_02: Let's do it.
• 1:57:25
  SPEAKER_02: All right, guys.
• 1:57:27
  SPEAKER_02: Good to meet you, Cisco.
• 1:57:29
  SPEAKER_02: Likewise.
• 1:57:30
  SPEAKER_01: Look forward to seeing your journey unfold.
• 1:57:33
  SPEAKER_01: You too, brother.
• 1:57:34
  SPEAKER_02: You too.
• 1:57:34
  SPEAKER_02: Let's keep in touch, brother.
• 1:57:36
  SPEAKER_02: All right, man.