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"Halloween Series 2: The Shining" Ep. 124 10/15/26 · Cigars and Cinema Podcast

• 0:00
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• 0:03
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• 0:41
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• 1:10
  SPEAKER_03: Hello, everybody.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome back to another episode, Cigars and Cinema Podcast.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_03: We are back as we usually are on a Tuesday evening.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_03: So glad you guys can join us.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_03: I am Eric from OGT Cigars, coming to you from still somewhat warm and sunny, North Carolina.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_03: Coming to you from the opposite side of the country, we have Curtis Bailey.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_03: Curtis, good to have you back.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_03: Great to be back on another show.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is great to be back.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: And for a particular reason for me, as you know, I just got back from a long weekend trip to Maine to see Acadia National Park.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: But the way that the our days went there and the fact that it was kind of cold outside, the hotel we were staying at, I took cigars with me and didn't smoke any of them.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I tell you, four days of Curtis of no smoking makes Curtis a doll boy.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_03: That's uh is this the first cigar you've smoked in four days?
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: I had one last night.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, okay.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_03: So okay, officially you got back last night then.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that's cool.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_03: I certainly hope you had a good trip.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_03: And you said it was cold.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Was it like freezing temperatures in Maine or just uh in the evenings it got into like the low 40s?
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, okay.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I forgot to take a jacket with me like a dum-dum.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's I mean, that's what happens.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_03: You move away from Illinois for a while and then you forget.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_03: So thank you guys for jumping on tonight.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_03: As always, I will invite you to drop down your comments.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_03: What are you smoking tonight?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_03: What are you enjoying?
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_03: And as always, what is your opinion on the movie we are talking about tonight?
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_03: Because this is sort of an iconic film in the horror genre, even in just cinema in general.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_03: And so I'm sure a lot of people have a lot of opinions on this.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, as we get into it though, I have to uh make kind of a quick announcement.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_03: Last night, yesterday, we released our official Halloween cigar.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_03: He's back, Nosferatu.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, for anyone maybe who saw the branding on this, you might be a little confused.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_03: We did not misspell the name.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_03: This was actually a play on words that Mallory wanted to use.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: So we've got Nosferatu, but spelled T W O, since it's the second time we've brought this cigar to life.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, what's interesting enough is last time we did it, super limited numbers.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_03: It was made at AJ's factory.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: It was one of those random blends we had come across.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_03: This one's made by Espinoza from the San Letano, or sorry, Lozona factory.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_03: So somewhat similar in terms of AJ.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I had to say that because we are literally almost completely 100% sold out, unless you're an OGT Cigar Society member.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_03: So if you want to try this, don't miss out.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_03: And Curtis, I have something to show you real quick.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_03: Please.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it's it's I want to see if it passes the impersonation test.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and so uh this is a small teaser trailer we made playing on the name Nosferatu.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_03: Check it out.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: The Nestor Return of a Legend Resurrected from 2022 by Espinosa.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_00: Bring Torch and your plate released only for OGT.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: Although, it was great the first time you did it, great the second time.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, by the way, that reminds me.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't know, did you have something more you wanted to say about it?
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, no, no.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: I have a tangent point.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um that Nostratu movie that we uh did on the show a couple years back.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Robert Eggers, the director of that, he's got another movie coming out this Christmas.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_03: He does.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: I I have.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_03: I have to say, like, historically speaking, the werewolf out of like the original, like universal, you know, monsters, as it were.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Wolfman is always one of my favorites.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_03: This definitely seems like the creepiest of the ones he's done, but I don't know.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_03: What are your thoughts?
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I mean, it it it looks good.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, uh it definitely looks aggressive, like you know, just based on the marketing.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see how well that plays in the movie.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I I I hear what you're saying about like, you know, the Wolfman is kind of like one of the top tier of those universal uh movies.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: So um there's a high bar to clear.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_03: There is, there is.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_03: And uh my biggest hope overall is just don't take it the route of Northmen and maybe take it in in some of your other better films.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_03: Sure, yeah, yeah.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, no, I'm excited for it.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_03: All right, uh, we got a few comments here.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna pull it up, then we're gonna get to what we're smoking, and then the movie.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_03: Let's see here.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_03: Aaron says, Hey, yo, let's go.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for jumping tonight.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, let's see here.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_03: Next, Jason.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_03: Hello, Eric and Curtis.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_03: Great to see you too.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, Lady Driven is on.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_03: Good evening, everyone.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_03: Hello.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: Mike Ross is smoking a Lagalera Maduro.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_03: Very nice.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_03: We got Captain Oblivious on tonight saying hello.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, Lady Driven is enjoying a black label trading company, Lawless.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_03: Also, shout out to uh Ginny.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it is her birthday, so happy birthday to you.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for spending your birthday with us.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, okay, so we are going to be smoking tonight.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, before we get to the next variety pack, which should be majority showing up to everyone at this point.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_03: This is from the last month's.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_03: This is La Imperiosa from Crown Heads Cigars.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_03: Currently, out of the blends of Crown Heads core lines, potentially my favorite.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, this is a very special size, unique size.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's called the Magicos, and it comes in a 4.5 by 52.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_03: It sports an Ecuadorian Habano Oscuro wrapper over Nicaraguan binder and filler.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_03: Now, Crown Heads, they they work with certain factories to bring forward those blends.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_03: This particular factory, uh, for a lot of imperiosa, it comes out of my father factory.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_03: So should be really good.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_03: The original blend was released as a limited back in 2014 as Las Calaveras 14, and it was such high demand they brought it as a core line.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: So super excited.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know, Chris.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_03: Have you smoked this?
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_03: Have you smoked this yet?
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_01: If I have, I don't recall.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_03: Alright, well, let's get a cold draw and uh let's see where to start.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's interesting about this blend.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_03: I particularly also like it in the Duke size, which I think is five and a half by 56 for a big ring gauge.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: Really good flavor.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I I almost want to say bubblegum.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's got that I was gonna like fruity, sweet like deal going on.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_03: I could definitely see that.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_03: Good open draw, very sweet cold draw.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: And a little bit of like um, you know, grassy, salty kind of uh just taste from the the wrapper itself on my lips.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_03: I can definitely see salty, definitely is on the tongue on the lips.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, with a good sweet draw.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_03: Well, let's get this toasted and lit up.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_03: Every cigar leaves an impression.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: However, it's not until you take a moment and analyze the full experience from construction to flavor to profile that you can truly appreciate it.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_03: So enjoy your cigar as you light it up.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_03: Take the time to toast it, smell the room notes, and experience the first notes as they come alive.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_01: In the same way, movies can tell deeper stories or show us things we haven't noticed on the surface.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: So journey with us as we take a more detailed appreciation for the craft of cigar and movie making.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_03: Honestly, one of my favorite parts about this cigar, especially in this size, is the initial light.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: So much flavor.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's aggressive, but it's also really balanced.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_03: This blend is just it's something special to me.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_03: I I enjoy it every time I smoke it.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a really nice start.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_03: Gosh, what is what is that that I think that you got your kind of like normal Nicaraguan spice up front.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_03: I want to say a hint of floral is in there as well.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: And then sweetness throughout, maybe a little bit of like uh like if you were to take a toasty bread with like butter and like sprinkle cinnamon.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly where I was going.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's what I was thinking.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's like this cinnamon buttery breadiness thing going on.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's a great cigar.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_03: And I think probably the reason this size gets overshadowed is because of how small it is.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_03: But man, we the flavor off of this size is brilliant.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: I would also say that you know, this is not the exact flavor that I'm trying to describe, but it's it gives me a similar feeling.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like when you have um uh like Mexican-style hot chocolate that has a little bit of chili in it, you know, like cayenne or whatever.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's something similar to that going on here.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, it's I it's that balance of like this interesting depth of sweet and then zing of spice on the back end.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_03: Really, really good cigar.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_03: Off to a great start.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_03: Like I said, it's one of my favorite portions about this.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_03: Not to say anything as it burns, but it's just it wakes you up when you light it up.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's such so cool.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh let's see.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: Jason says I smoked it last week and it was good.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, Lady Driven says those crown heads are good cigars.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_03: It does have a fruity cold draw.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, for sure.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so tonight uh we decided uh I'm gonna let Curtis more expand on this, but we decided to go back to a uh more iconic film in the horror series.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: So, Curtis, what are we talking about tonight?
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, this is The Shining, directed by Stanley Kubrick, adapted from Stephen King's novel.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh came out in 1980, super famous performance by Jack Nicholson, as you can see there.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and this one seemed like a good one to go with because, like you said at the start of the show, this is kind of one of the biggies of the genre when people talk about like, you know, best of or scariest or whatever.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh it made sense to do it because I was gone and I didn't have time to watch a movie this week.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_03: So this is one shining that is in your like uh cinema DNA, like you've you've seen it that many times.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, I was wondering, and I'm always curious about this in like horror films.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember where you were when you watched it for the first time?
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_03: This question goes for the audience as well.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: I I don't, unfortunately.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, uh I obviously it was wasn't in a movie theater, um, but uh I mean I it was probably a teenager or college age when I the first time I saw it.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I can't I can't remember exactly.
• 11:45
  unknown: Okay.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: But it would have been on probably VHS.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: I I remember I I think I was about 15.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_03: My brother was living, my older brother was living at his own place, and he and we were hanging out for the day.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_03: He'd pick me up, and he's like, Hey, I just watched this movie, it's really creepy.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_03: You want to watch it?
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, sure.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember at the end, he's like, What did you think?
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, I don't necessarily know if it's scary, it's just really depressing.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, but I think that was like because I had no idea anything about this movie.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't read the book or anything.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_03: Since since then, I have read the book.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a big Stephen King fan, so um, I think it'll be interesting to go through this movie, maybe talk a little bit about the book parallel as well.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, um, for sure.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'd like to hear that from you actually.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: Mike Ross says The Shining made my skin crawl more scary than I anticipated.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, nice.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, so everyone's pretty much familiar.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: As Curtis had mentioned, it was made in 1980, rated R.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: With a runtime of nearly two and a half hours.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, family heads into an isolated hotel for the winter where a sinister presence influences the father into violence.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_03: At the same time, his uh psychic son sees horrifying foreboding uh from both the past and the future.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, we know it's got Shelley Duvall, Scatman Crowlers, Danny Lloyd, Jack Nicholson, and the list goes on.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um I I will also say, for the positive, this is probably the fourth time I've seen this movie.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_03: And unlike some other movies we've talked about in the past, the more I've seen it as time goes by, the more of an appreciation I have for it.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: Gotcha.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_03: So take that for what it is.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um Broad Strokes as a as a as a whole, uh, performances, visual, the whole thing.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think?
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, uh I come uh to this day, I still come to this movie as someone who is uh unfamiliar with the the book.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: I've never read it.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: I have learned over the years some of the ways that this movie differs, and I know that Stephen King didn't like this adaptation very much for some of those reasons.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um but uh I think that the movie's take on Jack Torrance is a defensible one, and we can get into the detail of that.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that's probably one where I'll need you to tell me more about how the book differs.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: But um I like this movie's um, you know, obviously just kind of impeccable filmmaking.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, Stanley Kubrick's style and tone and approach to this just gives the whole thing a pervasive vibe, you know, mood that I think really works for the material.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: I like a lot of the ambiguity.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Some of that might be coming from the source material, I don't know, but there's a lot of just like weird that goes on in this movie that's unexplained, and I kind of like that about it.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um and uh has one of my absolute favorite shots in any horror movie ever.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'll when we get to that part a little bit later, I'll explain what I mean by that.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: But um, you know, this is not one that like I'm like, oh, I gotta watch it every year at Halloween because I don't.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, when I'm in the mood for something like this, it's kind of like you know, the exact right meal to satisfy that that urge.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I'm a fan.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, okay, nice.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: Uh let's see here.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_03: A few comments here, and I'll give you my broad strokes.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: Temporal Might Knight is on smoking an El Mago and having a McCallan.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_03: Very nice.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_03: Very nice.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_03: Lady Driven says it's one of those movies, no matter how many times you watch it, you always get the heebie jeebies.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it is true.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_03: I I will say, uh, like I had mentioned, I've probably seen it about four times.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like one of the biggest appreciations for this movie I have is the tone that it sets.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_03: And it sets it very early on in the movie.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_03: And it there's just this.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if we go from okay, the Overlook Hotel, the ominous music as it kind of like, you know, flies over the lake, and and then you you have Jack Torren's kind of interview.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_03: But even the presence and like the the deafening silence that's in the apartment when you first meet uh I think uh Shelly Duvall's character and uh Danny, um when all that happens, it's just like the tone is so cohesive.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm not the biggest Kubrick fan, but I would definitely say out of the films I've seen him do, I would say this is one of the ones I've more enjoyed that he's done.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Kubrick is one of those kind of fascinating filmmakers to me, in that um I think that um uh undeniably he's you know uh influential and uh a pretty masterful craftsman, but that doesn't mean that I always like his movies because that's definitely not true.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can still respect like what he's doing, but you know, like Clockwork Orange, I saw it once when I was in my 20s.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, cool, don't need to watch that again.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_03: You know that that I full confession, I have never had the gumption enough to watch that.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: And now when I'm older, I'm like, I just don't know if I want to.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like I don't think you would personally get get anything out of it.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: I I wouldn't I wouldn't urge you to watch that one.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I think there are other things in his filmography that are more interesting, like Barry Lyndon, but okay, yeah.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um anyway, yeah, that's Kubrick.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I will say I'm generally a Jack Nicholson fan.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_03: Now, while I'm sure we'll have quite a bit of discussion on his character and his character development, because that's one of the I would say speed bumps that I hit in this movie is how his character progresses.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: I still really like his performance.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Jack Nicholson just has his Jack Nicholson way about it, and I I really enjoy watching it in this movie for sure.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um and even his I also like Shelly Duvall's character um and her progression and such like that.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_03: So I think the cast is really strong on this one, for sure.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um first off, the Overlock Hotel, uh, as we know, is is built on an Indian burial ground, and that's where we have a lot of the sinister presence that's happening.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: The use of the Overlook itself in this movie is a character, and I like how they bring that to life.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_03: From from room to room, whether it's the massive hall where he's writing, the bar room, their little like uh flat that they live in, like all those areas, even the hallways have their own personality and where you're going.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: And I like how they did that, they did it justice, and Kubrick did a great job.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's maybe the all of cinema's most distinctive carpet design ever.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_03: So I I remember I was telling this story when we were watching it.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, on our honeymoon, Mallory and I stayed at a hotel in uh Indian Wells, and we were walking down like the first day to get to our hotel room, and that carpet was very similar.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, I don't like that.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_03: So you're right, it it's it's an iconic carpet.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: That's not really something you would say about a lot of movies out there.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, indeed.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, let's let's get into it.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_03: Let's talk about Jack Torrance.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, he has the interview, of course.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: Uh from the tone that's set from there, uh, where do you feel like like for me personally?
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, I kind of get the feeling he's a little nuts from to begin with.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: And part of the issue is like there needs to be explanation.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, I I think that gets into what I alluded to a minute ago, where I think that the movie's version of Torrance is a uh a somewhat defensible one because and please correct me if I'm wrong, it's my understanding that in the novel that Jack does, you know, uh and there's history in this version about like him having accidentally or uh uh uh you know inadvertently uh abused Danny at one point in their past.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's a part of the novel or not, but uh it seems to me that a man who has this sort of uh underlying darkness and weakness that the evil in the hotel can exploit and prey upon is an approach that makes sense to me rather than a genuinely good man who gets you know contorted by the evil of the place, because then it's seemingly not based in like anything about who this guy is in the as an individual, he's just a victim in that case, right?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, but again, you tell me uh I I may be way off base about how that differs from the book.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, I um I I feel like the reason that I have a speed bump is you're right.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_03: In the book, they even actually like King explores uh dislocating Danny's shoulder, like they they go and recreate and it's a narrative scene that you go through.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: And when I was watching it this time, I was like, I honestly can't remember if they touch on it.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_03: So they do.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_03: And it's not to say he doesn't have those demons like that he's dealing with, that he's trying to push down, he's trying to, and that is true why the hotel is able to get to him to pull it out of him.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_03: More so is that it starts with a setting of the reason we're doing this hotel job, Wendy, is so that we can have a new start, a fresh start, because I really want to try, I'm no longer gonna drink.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_03: They he really touches in on like how much he would just like once he starts drinking, it never ends.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's this whole hog of like honestly, first quarter of him fighting that urge back and forth and getting explosive verbally and then apologizing, and there's this push and pull until it finally goes to the end, and the end ends very differently.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like he tries to save Danny from himself in a way, right?
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, whereas in this, I kind of feel like I mean, he has the interview, and when they're even driving up and just his conversations, me and Andrew were cracking up watching because he's just I was like, Do you imagine if your dad was like that?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like just driving, and like I'll just so I I kind of feel like yes, it starts the same, his journey's not the same.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: I get it, yeah.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and Temporal Knight actually has some good comments here.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: I want to bring up.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_03: He says, While this scene, though, is still the blood-filled hallway from the elevator, which is crazy.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: But he says, uh, King has a slow build for Torrance.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_03: Kubrick fast tracked it, is why King hates the movie.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_03: Book definitely different.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: Gotcha.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um But in the defense of Kubrick, I will say he catches a lot of the feeling of the book, the ominous feeling of it.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: And so that's the biggest thing.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I think the scene I uh that is super iconic is when she takes Danny outside for a walk in.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: The snow, and then we cut to Jack, and he's just like staring madily out.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I was like, This is 25 minutes in the movie, he's already admitted.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: So it's stuff like that.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: But um, that's I think the biggest speed bump, like I said, that I'll hit with this.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think that's a completely fair thing to bump into with this movie for sure.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: I totally get that.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: I I think it's for me because like I didn't know this story beforehand, and my first and only exposure to it was the first time that I watched this movie.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: I was just like, oh, well, that's it.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_01: That'll take it at face value.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's this is the guy, and that's who he is, right?
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so yeah.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and the other defense I'll give Kubrick is this is one of those situations that, as as good as the book is, as much as I loved it, I wouldn't say it's one of my favorite King books.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: And while the movie and the book differs, it's not like, oh, the book is so much better for me personally.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like they're they both have both have their place, they're both pretty strong.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, we we meet Jack, he takes the job.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so even down to that scene of uh we cut to the apartment, and Shelly and I keep saying Shelly Duval, Wendy and uh Danny are talking sort of to the doctor, and she the way Wendy dismisses that acting job is amazing how she tells a story.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, he kind of just and then we get a quick cut to the doctor, and she's like it, those are the tones that I really enjoy in this movie.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with you.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, Shelly Duval might be one of the unsung heroes of this movie because obviously uh Jack Nicholson is there being larger than life, chewing the scenery being you know, Jack Nicholson, but you know, without uh somebody, you know, giving uh Wendy that sort of um, you know, she's like trying to ride this line between being honest with her husband that she's feeling uncertain about and you know trying to go along with him at the same time, and you know, that tone could turn into sort of a you know uh annoying wife cliche really fast, I think.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh if you didn't have somebody uh you know kind of hitting the right tone, and I think she's great in this.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_01: There is something that I worry about a little bit with her performance.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you know very much about the um the history of the making of this movie, and this relates to what we were just talking about, like you know, Kubrick, fantastic filmmaker, but um probably also a bit of a problematic one.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Him and a few other people, you know, William Freakin, who made The Exorcist, you know, some of these guys, when they're on set with their actors, can be really abusive.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: And Kubrick was notoriously abusive to her on this movie because he wanted her to be frazzled.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I sit there and I think, like, you know, is this the same performance she would have given if he didn't do that?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: And does that make it okay?
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: Or whatever?
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I kind of like land on the side of like, you know, uh uh uh abusing your your coworkers basically is probably never a good thing.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but um it's complicated and messed up.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's almost certainly something Kubrick shouldn't have done, but um uh yeah, I don't know.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do do you are familiar with that?
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have thoughts?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I I kind of knew it a little bit in the back of my head.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: In fact, I even saw some like making of scenes of him kind of inadvertently screaming at her.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and so there's definitely that sort of like next level that what Hitchcock would do.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um examples, like we not to go off on a tangent, but we recently watched the The Birds again, um, which I enjoy that movie.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_03: I don't like the ending, but I enjoy that movie.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: And like, I don't know if you knew this, but there's the scene where she goes up in the attic and the birds like attack her, and like Hitchcock was so unimpressed with her ability to act against this that he tied birds to her and literally gave her a nervous breakdown because she couldn't handle it.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: And he's like, There we go, accurate.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: And so it's kind of like that type of thing.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_03: So um, yeah, I don't think that is the best method.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um, from what I understand too, Shelley uh Duvall like went through a lot of traumatic things, even in her own career, like it affected her.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I know this uh as far as I know, I'm not like super deep on the history, but I think it impacted her life and her career quite a bit because yeah, um, you know, how many you know, major post the shining Shelly Duval roles can you name?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right, exactly.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_03: Pop Popeye, yeah, yeah.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Temporal Knight says she ended up in the hospital and never truly recovered, felt bad for Shelly.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's a damn shame.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but nevertheless, she's great in the movie.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_03: Lady Driven says Jack definitely does not does have a dark side from the get-go.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_03: Wendy seemed to know but ignored it.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and that's a good point because I feel like part of the nuance of that role, like you said, to avoid that sort of cliche type of feeling is that there's some part of her that is that speech she gives to the doctor that trails until we finally see that side die.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_03: But she's like, I just can't do it anymore.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um, one of the most like disheartening moments is when she comes in to uh basically ask like how he is or if you want food and he's writing and he just flips out.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um that that scene is hard to watch, it's it's pretty well done, but uh yeah, it's stuff like that.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like is is more nuanced versus just oh my gosh, you're mean to me, or yeah, whatever.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: And tell me what you think, but I feel like the scenes like that that happen in this movie, there's just something different about the way the feels because it's taking place in this gigantic room.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I I think the the feeling of a scene like that would be different if they were like at home in their living room, right?
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the fact that they're in this like huge, imposing space that we know is exerting evil on them, and you know, the just the way that the scene is lit and all that kind of stuff, just the environment, the atmosphere provided by that for me enhances those kind of moments in this movie.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I I would agree.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_03: And one of the the big kind of moments, too, that we get that is like what's what's one of the most relatable situations a human being feels when they're in an unfamiliar space and it's so wide and so big, it's it's the scene when they first show up and they're getting the tour.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_03: And the dolly shot that tracks them right all the way through the hall, then back this way.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty soon, as a viewer, you're like, Okay, wait, wait, where'd they come from?
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_03: Where where are they headed?
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like, it's doing what what Kubrick wants basically to inflict on the audience, and that's you're getting lost.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's so big, there's twists and turns everywhere.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then it's not helped by the fact that the uh I can't remember his name, but the the previous hotel manager and uh and the um caretaker are basically just like nonchalant about it and very calm about it, and they're just like, Oh, yeah, this is normal stuff.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, Well, okay, hold on, you're going a mile per minute.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_03: That type of use of environment, like you were saying, is I think has a lot of high marks for this movie.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, let's see here.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_03: Jason says, last movie I saw Shelly Duvall in was Roxanne with City.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I forgot that she was in that.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: I got I would have seen that movie forever ago.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember that she was in that, but good, good, good poll.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, okay, real quick, let's.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: I know this is a smaller cigar.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_03: We're kind of getting into the second third here.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we should take a quick pause.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_03: What are our thoughts on this Latin periosa?
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm enjoying this quite a bit.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know that it's evolved a ton from where we started.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um this might be one of those that's just like, you know, a good consistent um flavor mix the whole way through.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know yet.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see when we get down to the next third, but um the kind of like little mini journey in the palette, kind of like on a good whiskey where you know you taste something at the front, you taste something in the middle, you taste something on the finish.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like that's super satisfying on this one.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: This is one of those cigars I feel like it's not blended for strength.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_03: It's not blended to be super smooth, it's blended to be honestly an all-encompassing profile.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: And you got your sweet, your spice, your breadiness.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: And so, you know, a lot of times we talk about like, yeah, I feel like some of those treble notes are taking over or base notes.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_03: This is kind of like generally all around.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: And so it is a very satisfying extremely well balanced.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: And and I mean, you hear that a lot, I feel like with cigar makers too.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's they'll be like, I blend to flavor.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, this is, I think, a prime example of when a blender blends for that.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: And this is, I would say probably medium strength, maybe medium plus to some, um, but overall flavor forward and it envelops your palate, really satisfying amount of smoke output as well.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I like the kind of at least for me, what I sense is a combination of both like um brightness and richness together on the retrohale.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: So great start, great consistency.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, for a smaller cigar, it's a it's a firecracker for sure.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, okay, so the other component, other main cast member aside from the other, uh, is Danny.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: And this movie, I feel like probably could have sunk if it didn't have an actor like him in his role.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: His his ability to I guess subtlety in a way, like a lot of the questions they ask him and the way his responses are, whether they're watching Looney Tune cartoons, he wants to go grab his fire truck upstairs, they're just done in a way where I'm like, this kid doesn't seem like he's acting.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_03: He just it's a natural flow.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: That is so difficult, and I feel like even more so difficult in horror films.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, yeah, yeah.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: Personally, what are your thoughts?
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and uh, you know, this may be credit to the source material, you can tell me.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I feel like one of the things that's really cool about that character and the performance is that a lot of the things he says feel like they were written for like from the perspective of what would the mind of a child this age be going through and producing, not what's expedient for the plot or you know, you know, easy to pull off or whatever.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's there's like really believable to me, um, you know, age-appropriate behavior and dialogue coming out of Danny.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's really cool about this.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I would agree.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel, I mean, I kind of mentioned it, I feel like horror films and Christmas movies are notorious for the type of writing that responsive kids kind of act this way, right?
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_03: And to your point, there's not any of this.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_03: And like instead of trying to go to this, like, let's draw the high contrast of how innocent this child is and how ignorant he is of the evils of this world, and like have him glide amongst his parents saying, Daddy, mommy, I love you, blah, blah, blah.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like, the scene I think that's really iconic is when he comes in and he finds his dad on the bed, and the dialogue just there, when Jack Nicholson's like, Come here, and like he sits on his lap and they're just kind of talking.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I think he has like a flat out question of like, Are you okay?
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_03: or or something like that.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_03: And the amount of fear you feel for him, with of course that Jack Nicholson face, you know, I'd never hurt you.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's just that that is the contrast that I think is so much more sincere, and I love it.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's really well done.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I agree.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: Solid plus column for this movie.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_03: And he also, I will say, give the kid kudos for his reactionary moments with no dialogue.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think that expertly cut and edited, but also pulled off because of performance.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: He's brushing his teeth, and then he's talking talking to Tony.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, Why don't you want to go to the hotel?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: And then I think we go to a cut of like the uh elevator, and then this silent scream shot of Danny just losing it.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: Brilliant stuff like that, I think, is high marks.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I wanted to comment because it was brought uh one of the commenters brought up the you know the blood coming down the hallway thing earlier.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um I think one of the things that's cool about that particular idea is that you know it's difficult to kind of visually present, you know, sort of metaphysical things or like a cover a broad, you know, history of you know really dark, gruesome events in a sort of thematic way without being like really didactic, like you know, here's exactly what happened in the past in this hotel, you know, whatever.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: So, how do you represent that thematically in just a hallway, you know, filling with indeterminate blood?
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I mean that's that's a visual metaphor for like everything, right?
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so I I I appreciate that they came up with stuff like that in this movie.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, I agree.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um now, kind of a like an overarching theme is of course the caretaker and like the story about the previous caretaker, and then later as the movie continues, Jack basically meets his ghost.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_03: And then the line is given, you've always been the caretaker.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_03: And then by the end, of course, we see that final shot of the the picture.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_03: What is your take on that aspect of the story of how that is?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it feels like, and then you know the movie's not super explicit about any of this, you know, so I'm sort of riffing here a little bit, but um, it feels like a thing where um the malevolence of this hotel, you know, whatever it's identified as, you know, I don't know how specific King gets in the book about it, but it's almost like um it's had its tendrils out in the world looking for you know victims, you know, the right kind of people to prey upon and has kind of embodied them.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, when so when you know this version, iteration, whatever you want to call it, of Jack Torrents arrives, it's like ah, finally the snare is closed, kind of thing, right?
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of how I read it, but I don't know, what's your take?
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, I no, I agree.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, not so much, I mean, I think he touches it a little bit.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_03: Now, granted, last time I read this book was probably about six years ago.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: So the main points I I definitely remember, but through a series of king novels, he really likes to impress upon the concept of how certain places in the world and like certain houses, hotels, or whatever are just considered bad.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_03: Like these are a bad place.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I mean, he's got his whole universe in terms of dark tower and like how that translates on like some places are thin, some places are not, whatever.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: But I like his explanation of just like when it when a place witnesses so much evil, it has no choice but to take on that evil itself.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_03: Gotcha.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_03: And so, by kind of that, okay, so if that's the hotel, the person itself also witnessing all this evil takes it on himself as well.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and kind of how that kind of moves into it.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_03: So sure, yeah.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: As you say, they don't go Kubrick doesn't really explain too much, but I feel like those are some of the breadcrumbs that I was following.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_03: So I think you're right, and it finally affects him, and it's like, no, this isn't you didn't turn in evil like this, you've always been like this.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_03: We've just finally been able to bring it out of you, essentially.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: That makes sense.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, temporal night says the hotel is alive in its own sense and very much a character.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: It collects lost souls, these feed it.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Lady Driven says the scene when Danny walks in and sees Jack sitting on the bed is definitely unsettling.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, well, that's a that's a great point.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think one of the things that I personally appreciate about this movie, or at least that works for my taste when it comes to horror movies, is that you know, obviously there's big specific moments like you know, the here's Johnny when he's attacking uh Wendy in the bathroom and all stuff like that.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: But lots of my favorite bits about this movie and things that I find the most unsettling are not showy, they're not big, you know, uh gross things happening.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, the girls in the hallway, that's another one of those like iconic things from this movie.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: But just you know, weird stuff like when he goes down to the um uh hotel ballroom and suddenly it's alive again, and there's the dude waiting for him at the bar, super pleasant.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's creepy to me.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like stuff like that.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_01: Just like this is just left of normal and it feels wrong.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I like that about this film.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_03: I yeah, I do too.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: And it also it's a very uh creative way to be like, all right, so we've got a movie that's two and a half hours, primarily built around three characters.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_03: How do we not make it boring?
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like how do you keep that tension?
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_03: Because I mean, it's I think two things really get accomplished during the entire two and a half hours.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: One is you don't lose interest, and two, you don't necessarily get like settled and be like, okay, I get what's happened.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_03: Like that tension is slowly tightening, slowly tightening, and that is a hard feat to do over two hours.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_03: I agree.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's very difficult.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you had mentioned in the beginning uh of this that you said it has one of your favorite moments.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yes.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: I would like to know what is that though.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: So, in that that sequence when he's attacking Wendy in the bathroom with the fire axe, there's a shot where he's outside the bathroom, and it's you know, he's we're seeing him from the side as he's swinging the axe at the door, and the camera follows the axe as the subject really violently every time that he swings it.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: So cool, so good.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: It makes that it makes that see the you know, those brief shots feel 10 times more violent than they would if they didn't do that.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's such an excellent choice.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_03: And and it's true, like when you started mentioning like where you were going with that, I was like, okay, I I see where you're kind of going with this, but it's almost a subconscious thing.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I think some of the greatest moments in uh not even just horror films, but in storytelling and cinema is using the camera to do that.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_03: I think a really good example of this in another movie is Jaws, when Brody's on the beach in the in like the first quarter or whatever, and uh when um with the the kid goes out and actually gets eaten, but he's trying to watch the beach, and every time someone moves past, we get a closer cut, closer cut, closer cut.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_03: And then when it finally happens, they've got, of course, that like I don't know what you call that like it's it's it's it's called a dolly zoom.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: So filmmaking uh to make the camera move, there's lots of different ways to do it, and one of them is called dollying, where it's they literally lay down track that's called uh uh dolly track, and you put a little cart on it basically that's called a dolly, and the camera's mounted on that, so you can push it forwards and backwards.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: So you're moving the um dolly towards or away from the subject while at the same time twisting the zoom in the opposite direction.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: So the camera gets closer, the background gets further, like you know, you get that's how you get that, you know, kind of like change of perspective thing.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's a super cool effect.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_03: It is, yeah.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_03: And it just, I mean, not to go too far off it, but it's it's that type of like using the camera.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_03: I I think it is pretty cool, pretty, pretty awesome.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, that's one of those things, like when we talk about things being cinematic, like that's one of those things.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, you know, the the camera is the ultimate lens through which you know all of this stuff is being portrayed to us.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's not a a theater stage, it's not a radio play, it's it's none of those things.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the the the camera and the things it can do are kind of paramount to how this art form works, and you can use it like that to do stuff that no other you you can't convey that same idea in a in a on like in a uh a book, right?
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the way that that looks and feels, it's impossible to convey it any other way.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: That goes inverse too.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: There's stuff to do in a book that's almost impossible to do visually, so it's not like you know, cinema is like the highest form or anything, it's just like right that's the kind of thing that movies can do.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: And when filmmakers are like, all right, how do I use these tools to visually tell the story, visually convey these ideas, to visually convey feelings in ways that no other art form can.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: Stuff like a Dolly Zoom, it's like nah.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, definitely.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, Lady Driven says, love the bar scene, it's kind of humorous, which allows a break from the tension building up in the scene.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: Which is true.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_03: The dialogue that takes place, I really enjoy.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_03: I like the fact that when he starts kind of dancing by himself, all those things just it, yeah, it adds to it.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's really good.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um, personally, one of my favorite moments of the movie is that while this movie is definitely has some gory images and some scary uh elements, I like the mystery aspect too.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_03: And I feel like the mystery aspect that really comes to a head is that all work and no play makes Jack a doll boy.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_03: When she finds that and the way they choose to reveal it, yes, um, and the amount of also thought in terms of how it's typed up when she's going page to page to page, that type of like almost doom scrolling in a way, right?
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_03: Just like you can't get to what she really wants, hopes is that it will stop and it never will stop.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um that reveal is is really big to me.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: It's one of my favorite moments.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you know, I it's been a minute since I have watched it, since you just saw it recently.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: You might be able to tell me, but you know, I feel like one of the things that really reinforces a lot of the moments like that in this movie is I think the music is great.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's super creepy, it's atonal, it's you know, uh unsettling.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think there's a significant musical cue when that scene occurs, but maybe I'm wrong.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: I like I said, I haven't watched it in a few years, but regardless, it's just another like in the plus column for me on this movie is the way that the music reinforces the tone.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's got that like eerie high string going on in the backwards that it's just but it's like constant and building but almost ear piercing.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Lady Driven says the music is fantastic for this movie.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_03: For sure.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: Temporal night says one of the most interesting lines that freaked me out was where he was talking to Wendy and says, Wendy, uh darling, dearest, I'm not going to hurt you.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just gonna bash your effing skull in.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: It is, it is, yeah, it's definitely creepy.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and that's another One of those things that really relies on the right line delivery, too.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, come on, Jack Nicholson doing that.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like he knocks it out of the park.
• 44:07
  unknown: Definitely.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I think one of the things that's interesting about that moment in the movie is that she's they're on the stairs, she's higher up than him, and she has a weapon.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: Now, in most cases, being not only being framed as higher above than another person, but you know, having a weapon makes them the more dominant, powerful one in the scene, and it's so not the case.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, yes, and that's no kind of reversal.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_03: There's no Anakin, I have the high ground in this for sure.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_03: Now, I feel like an interesting story arc, and this character is definitely more prominent in the book and even in the follow-up book, Dr.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_03: Sleep, but uh Halloran.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, right, because he doesn't get murdered in the novel, right?
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_03: As best I remember, no.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's a useful tool, I think, in the way Kubrick has him get murdered because you make this connection between him and Danny, and they kind of talk about the shining of what this whole deal is about.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_03: And then constantly he's got the calls and he's worried, and then you get the sense, okay, he's bringing the cavalry, and it ends like that.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_03: And it has this like drop of like, okay, well, that was your last hope, and now he's bleeding in the hallway.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_03: So is it all just gonna completely fall apart?
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: That type of use.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_03: I in some cases I feel like there is a side of that that could have gone towards, like, oh, well, that was nothing but a plot device.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: But I don't I don't think the story or the performance actually echoes that.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think?
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I think I agree with you, and the the other reason that I think that it works is because you know, we learn early in the movie that he also has the shining, you know, he introduces expositionally, he's the one who tells us what the concept is when he's talking to Danny about it.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so because they both have this kind of ethereal ability, um, and you know, towards the end of the movie is when the hotel and jack are like max supernatural freakiness, it just kind of makes sense that through the shining and his concern for the family at the hotel that he would be drawn back there.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like it doesn't seem like it comes out of left field or anything like that.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_03: I would agree, I would agree.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, this is a really good point.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_03: Temporal Knight says The Shine, by the way, the shine is dropped in the new prime show, Carrie, by Michael Flanagan, which we're actually watching currently.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I am not started watching that.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_03: And he also says, which is also in Doctor Sleep.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe on a side of a book sense, yeah, yeah.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_03: Stephen Stephen King, kind of like how Tarantino makes his movies and there's loose connections between his movies.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Stephen King like connects all of his books that way.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_03: And what's interesting, if like if you want to read into it, whether it means anything or it doesn't mean anything, it's just kind of cool on the side, is uh Halloran, I believe, is a distant relative to one of the main like prophet characters of his famous book, uh The Stand.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, interesting.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_03: So Stephen King has this concept of like telekinesis and the shine.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_03: He's always been fascinated, and he'll plant those seeds in different stories.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_03: And he's drawn lines to Carrie, he's drawn lines to this and this.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_03: So kind of having that is kind of I don't know, kind of a cool, like random factoid of being like, oh, this character is supposed to be distantly related to this and this.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's kind of cool.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he does seem to have like this like like Stephen King metaverse operating in the background of his brain all the time.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, heard from people who've read some of the books, you know, they've told me kind of like some of the stuff.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like what's it the Dark Tower has a lot of that going on in it?
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, it is like the central hub.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, and actually Temporal Night says yes, a lot all tied in the Dark Tower.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_03: Gotcha.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_03: Which also side note, but fingers crossed, I have been told Mike Flanagan, who's made, of course, uh Midnight Mass and all those Netflix shows, as well as he's made Gerald's game, he's made a number of, he made Doctor Sleep.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: He's a big King fan.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_03: I think he just got the rights to Dark Tower and he might be doing a series.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, anything but that film that was supposedly came out a while that I boycotted, like, please, let's get a good one.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, to to the degree that I'm familiar with that novel, it seems like a series is more appropriate than trying to cram it into a two-hour movie.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_03: Definitely, definitely.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um okay, so I don't want to wrap it up too quick or anything.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_03: Are there any final thoughts, things you want to touch on?
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, I think we should talk about the ending, you know, that uh happens in the the the maze, you know, and obviously there's you know a little bit of um metaphorical stuff with the maze, you know, about you know, characters being trapped and not being able to find a way out, you know, that kind of thing.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I do think that the the way that it's um shot like with those that camera really low as it's following Danny through the snow and stuff, it looks really cool.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um I do feel like maybe it's one of the weaker parts of the movie that it's the the way that the it resolves that you know like Jack Torrance just loses him in the maze and and he and he gets out, and there it doesn't feel like there's a really heavy like character or thematic note there.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: He just fails to do what he was trying to do, and that hard cut to his dead body in the snow, you know, sitting upright with that almost like grimace on his face.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's creepy, but also almost comic at the same time, right?
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I feel like the ending is maybe like a bit of a whiff on this movie, but I don't know.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: What are your thoughts?
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_03: I would agree, it's not the strongest, it's not enough to pull me out of it and being like, oh my gosh.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_03: But there is, I think it's been spoofed a number of times.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_03: There is something oddly humorous about that image of me.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_03: And when you mentioned that, I was like, you know what?
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_03: That that is very true.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: And and maybe that was intended.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: It could be that's exactly what Kubrick wanted you to feel.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_01: I I I can't say, but that's definitely how I reacted.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Lady Driven says the ending seemed a bit rushed, but still suspenseful enough to captivate the audience.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_03: And it it could be one of those situations, hey, you have the audience this long, why not blow up the shark?
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like right, for sure.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, and I I mean I think you're right.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_03: The way it's filmed and the eeriness, I like to, while it's a little flimsy, it's still a little bit like Danny has a personality enough to know to retrace his tracks and get out of it that way, versus some kind of Deus Ex Machina.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of like that aspect, but it is a little rushed for sure.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, one thing that's just like a personal note uh the film opens with these helicopter shots over a lake and mountains that are supposed to be the location where uh this takes place in Colorado.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I have been there.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_01: That is Lake St.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: Mary in Glacier National Park in Montana.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_01: And so and I I had been there when I was a kid, so I already knew it.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was super familiar with it.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, since I'm an artist, I drew you know illustrations of you know locations in that park when I was a kid.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: So when I saw that, I did like the Leo, like there, that's the place.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: I saw it.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_03: You should have just had the soundtrack playing in the back as you're driving up.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and I I think a lot of horror films are notorious for like, how is this possible?
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_03: Or why would you do this?
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_03: The only moment, this is such a minuscule side note, but I was like, How are you gonna drive three and a half hours with all of supposedly that luggage in a BW bug?
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, sure, yeah.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like, one, that bug's not gonna make it to where did you put the luggage?
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that that's that's what I think that's the one thing that pulled me out.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: But um, one last thing, uh, one of the things that I think is cool, and again, my my favorite type of you know, weird and unsettling is that as things start to unravel towards the end of the film, we start seeing a few more of the supernatural characters from the hotels past show up.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: And there's lots of just little moments, like one, for example, where um you know you're seeing looking down this hallway, and there's a couple of figures in a bedroom, and one of them is wearing like an animal costume, and it seems like they were up to some freaky stuff in there, and then it crash zooms on them.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: No explanation for what it is, why they're there, what they're doing, it just implies, you know, kind of bad stuff, historical wickedness.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and again, that works for me.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I I like all that kind of stuff in this movie.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_03: Well, what's interesting from what I remember, uh, the reason we see a lot of the things depicted as a party and such like that is I believe there like in the 20s, what sets off one of the biggest evils is there's some kind of like massacre at a New Year's party.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that's the the the event in that the photo at the end, right?
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: That where we see the Jack Torrance in the 20s or whenever it was.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and and he doesn't really fully like explain it or go into it, but I believe he pulled that from the book because it goes more into the book of like that's why there's so much 20 thing because it was such a like so much mass murder happened at this party, and that's part of what like was so evil about it.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um gotcha.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_03: So here a few more comments, temporal night suspension of disbelief on the VW bug.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, sure, yeah.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_03: Lady Driven says, How did they get all that luggage on the bug?
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, okay, so uh let's let's talk final thoughts here on the cigar and then let's put it to a vote.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think we were right earlier.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like this is one that's just started good, continued good, stayed good, ends good.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, super consistent throughout.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't detected any really big shifts in the palette, but it didn't need them because damn it, like everything there is super well balanced and tastes great, and yeah, I don't know.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, in a weird way, we're gonna give big big points on this one.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm I'm I like transitions on cigars quite a bit, but then you reach certain cigars like this to where it's like it doesn't necessarily need a transition because a lot of the aspects of your palette is being hit the whole time, so yeah, you're not waiting for that.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_03: Um yeah, in terms of burn, smoke outbook construction, again, one of my favorites out of the portfolio of crown heads for sure.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so let's let's vote on uh Lot Imperiosa Magicos scale from one to ten.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: Again, this is a blank sticky note.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_03: I I am writing down my rating right now.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_03: I've got a look at that.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_03: We're we're right there.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_03: 8.5.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_03: 8.5.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_03: Fantastic cigar.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_03: This is a cigar to put in your humidor.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, um, and then we'll go for the shining from a scale from one to ten.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm actually gonna use the same paper.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: Same, same as well.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there you go.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_03: We're on it today.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_03: Right on the dot, right on the dot.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_03: Great movie, great cigar.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_03: Man, our Halloween season this year compared to last year is so much better.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, thankfully.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_03: We've been watching a lot of better movies.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um, okay, so uh thank you guys for watching tonight, but I'm gonna announce what we're watching next week.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_03: So if you have a chance, this is one that we knew we were gonna talk about probably a month or so ago because it had such a big impact, not just in the horror genre, but uh in movie making in general.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_03: So it's gotten a lot of accolades.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna be talking about obsession.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of people have seen this movie, and this movie has made quite a bit of money based on its low budget.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm looking forward to it.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_01: And in in particular, you know, during October, uh my wife and I like to you know pick spooky movies to watch together, and this is one that she's interested in.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna sit down next week with my wife and watch this, and that's gonna be fun.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_03: Awesome.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so if you guys have the opportunity, take it check, check it out, take a look at uh obsession so you can hang out with us next Tuesday.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and yeah, thanks for hanging out and talking about the shining.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_03: It was it was great.
• 55:47
  unknown: Indeed.
• 55:47
  SPEAKER_01: Good night, everybody.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_03: All right, everyone have a good night.