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Introducing: Podcast It, Donut! (part 2) · WoT Spoilers

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Speaker 1: Hello Watt Spoilers fans, This week going to be a
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Speaker 1: bit of a departure from our usual content. Over the
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Speaker 1: last several episodes, we've been teasing you that we're starting
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Speaker 1: a new project, and the time to unveil it is now.
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Speaker 1: We are doing a first time reader podcast of the
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Speaker 1: Dungeon Crawler Carl book series, where I am the newbie
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Speaker 1: and Seth is the veteran reader. If you haven't started
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Speaker 1: the books yet, now would be a great time, Or
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Speaker 1: you can just listen to me reacting to the first
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Speaker 1: few chapters cold that will probably be nearly as much fun.
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Speaker 1: We hope that you enjoy this very UNWAT like side
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Speaker 1: quest while we get our momentum for the new year
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Speaker 1: built up, and that you will join us over on
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Speaker 1: the podcast at donut feed when that is available. That's right,
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Speaker 1: you are experiencing the world premiere of our new podcast
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Speaker 1: before literally anybody else's. You are listening to podcast it Donut,
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Speaker 1: a first time reader podcast about the Dungeon Crawler Carl
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Speaker 1: book series, hosted by Iridia and Seth. I am a Radia,
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Speaker 1: the first time reader who is crawling through the dungeon
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Speaker 1: for the first time, and.
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Speaker 2: I am Seth, the veteran reader who is guiding the show.
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Speaker 1: This podcast only contains spoilers up to where I have
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Speaker 1: read in a given episode, which this week is chapters
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Speaker 1: three through six. New Achievement Masochist. You're back after that
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Speaker 1: first episode. I'm not here to judge your taste, but
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Speaker 1: I'm going to anyway reward. I mean, if you keep listening,
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Speaker 1: we're going to keep making this thing.
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Speaker 3: Dead silence. This is good.
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Speaker 2: So that's here we are, and I'm recording as we
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Speaker 2: stop talking. Every time it's without failed, there's always that
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Speaker 2: like thirty seconds, so like, wait, we have the conversation going,
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Speaker 2: what did we do to it? Oh? We turn on
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Speaker 2: recording that killed it? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But this is episode two, recording two of our
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Speaker 1: Dungeon Crawler Carl first time reader podcast that has not
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Speaker 1: yet been.
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Speaker 2: Named, The Podcast that shall not be named.
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Speaker 3: It hasn't been named. It's going to be named at
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Speaker 3: some point.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, good, shouldn't be named.
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Speaker 1: It shall be named, but it has not yet been named. Okay,
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Speaker 1: but uh, I think it's going to have to be named.
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Speaker 1: Because I am enjoying these books very much. I am
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Speaker 1: incredibly furious at the fact that I had to stop
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Speaker 1: because of making content. So that is definitely going to
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Speaker 1: be the dynamic. We're like, yes, I want to make content,
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Speaker 1: but also making content means that I have to only
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Speaker 1: read a certain set amount that this is going to
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Speaker 1: be frustrating for me.
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Speaker 3: I now have a whole new level.
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Speaker 1: Of appreciation for what Ali has gone through, because like
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Speaker 1: we did do Hot Nuance, where I did have to
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Speaker 1: read a book without without knowing what was going to happen.
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Speaker 3: But this is worse.
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Speaker 1: This book is snappier and more Cliff Hangary already, and
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Speaker 1: I really want to just blast through it.
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Speaker 3: And I'm not.
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Speaker 2: I recommended the books. You're the one who's like, should
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Speaker 2: we podcast through them? And I was like, sure, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you did this to yourself. You could have read them,
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Speaker 2: but no, you wanted to make a project out of it,
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Speaker 2: so suck it. I So today we read four chapters, right,
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Speaker 2: so we're going through it a good pace. We're going
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Speaker 2: to take this in chunks. We're not going to do
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Speaker 2: a chapter at a time. We need larger chunks. Right now,
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Speaker 2: we're looking at a you know, we started with the
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Speaker 2: two chapters just to introduce everything, and now we're doing
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Speaker 2: a four chapter chunk, and I think I want to
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Speaker 2: stick with about four chapters per episode. That gives us
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Speaker 2: twelve ish episodes per book.
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Speaker 3: That sounds good and that.
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Speaker 2: Feels like a reasonable pace. We can get through the
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Speaker 2: what's out so far in about two years. That feels
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Speaker 2: like a reasonable the compressed time for a podcast. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: there's one more book coming out, I think within that timeframe,
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Speaker 2: so yeah, it would be I think that is about
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Speaker 2: what we're looking at.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I am learning how to do a first
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Speaker 1: time reader podcast as definitely a different experience of trying
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Speaker 1: to process the book ahead of time. I kind of
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Speaker 1: want to take notes. I meant to take notes for
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Speaker 1: today's reading, but it just kind of forgot to do that.
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Speaker 1: But I am intending on trying to keep a notebook
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Speaker 1: and take some notes, like as I go through this,
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Speaker 1: because there's so I enjoyed this section so much. I
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Speaker 1: enjoyed getting backstory, I enjoyed getting more game mechanics. As
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Speaker 1: I was telling you earlier, it's annoying, like a tutorial
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Speaker 1: level is annoying, which is acceptable because it is a
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Speaker 1: tutorial level.
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Speaker 3: And I'm not mad about.
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Speaker 1: The weird tutorial level bullshit, because every game has that
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Speaker 1: every book has an exposition phase, Like it's perfectly fine,
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Speaker 1: and I'm having a lot of fun with the characters
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Speaker 1: as we're getting into it.
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Speaker 2: It's successfully pulled off the this is a video game
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Speaker 2: to you because it annoys you in the same way
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Speaker 2: a video game annoys you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't know this was a genre to
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Speaker 1: not engage with or not before this, Like, I just
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Speaker 1: really didn't know about let RPG at all as a genre.
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Speaker 1: So it's not like I have pre assumptions about it
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Speaker 1: or have read other books that sucked in this genre. Like,
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Speaker 1: this is all very very new to me, which is
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Speaker 1: appropriate because I've really only ever played like an actual
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Speaker 1: handful of video games.
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Speaker 3: I've never been much of a video gamer.
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Speaker 1: I've gotten into a couple over my life, but it's
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Speaker 1: a very small piece of my life. So it's very
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Speaker 1: appropriate that I have no experience with this genre as
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Speaker 1: I'm leaping in and being like, Okay, I understand the
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Speaker 1: concept of a tutorial level, but like, I've never seen
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Speaker 1: it done badly. This seems to be done quite well.
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Speaker 1: This is my first time in this kind of thing.
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Speaker 2: The other book series I've seen recommended next to this
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Speaker 2: one is He Who fights with monsters both before, and
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Speaker 2: I've tried it both before and after I read Dungeon
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Speaker 2: Crawler Carl and I hated it both times. So that's
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Speaker 2: that's my only other experience with this genre. It reminds
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Speaker 2: me a lot of peers Anthony's writing.
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Speaker 3: Okay, which is an author I'm aware of but have
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Speaker 3: not read.
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Speaker 2: And I won't go into why, but it's just it didn't.
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Speaker 2: It didn't grab me either time. So I know there's
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Speaker 2: and there's other examples out there, and I need to
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Speaker 2: do my research because this is an intro into that genre.
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Speaker 2: But I think he's doing something with this that is unique,
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Speaker 2: and he's building something that is better than a lot
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Speaker 2: of other very formulaic RPGs.
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Speaker 3: I'm into it.
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Speaker 1: I'm into having my good luck streak of constantly running
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Speaker 1: into stuff at a very peak level of its quality.
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Speaker 3: Just continue through my life. That's fine, that's great.
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, remind me of the actual order of events
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Speaker 1: so I can tell you all about how I felt
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Speaker 1: about it.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So we are in with Mordecai. He gets a
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Speaker 2: little information about Mordecai level fifty rat right, and he's like, oh,
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Speaker 2: he's super powerful level yeah, which is some of the
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Speaker 2: later books you got to go, Okay, yeah, all right.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's what it made me wonder, was
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Speaker 1: like how high did the levels go? Is level fifty
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Speaker 1: not that big of a deal or is it a
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Speaker 1: big deal? Like I know it's a bigger than Carl,
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Speaker 1: but like where does that act? Like I don't know
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Speaker 1: how big this curve? Oh, I have no idea where
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Speaker 1: fifty sits? Like on a scale of zero to max,
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Speaker 1: where is fifty? I have no idea.
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Speaker 2: That's interesting? Okay, a m I go to level.
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Speaker 1: Five hundred for all I know, or it might go
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Speaker 1: to level one hundred, or might go to level fifty
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Speaker 1: one or forty nine, Like I have no idea what
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Speaker 1: kind of scale we're working on. All I know is
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Speaker 1: that that's a lot more than Carl.
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Speaker 2: I think you can say it at least level fifty.
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Speaker 3: At least level fifty.
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Speaker 1: Clearly it's like he's not God and clearly and we
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Speaker 1: go through the chapter to the way he's talking like
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Speaker 1: I have to do this, I have to do that, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: clearly there's people higher than him, but what does that
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Speaker 1: mean in game mechanics?
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Speaker 2: And so then he basically walks in and says, Hey,
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Speaker 2: is this door the only way in and out? And
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Speaker 2: are those guys going to keep hanging out there?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Carl is really quick on the strategics of this game.
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Speaker 1: He is not because I'm the kind of person I
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Speaker 1: play a video game that I will just sort of
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Speaker 1: stand there examining the room until the city guard shows
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Speaker 1: up and takes me off to prison because I didn't
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Speaker 1: know I was supposed to run away like that is
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Speaker 1: how I go through video games. So I'm impressed that
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Speaker 1: Karl is immediately like, where are those guys going? What
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Speaker 1: is going to happen? I need to and he goes
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Speaker 1: out and kills them. I would never be that smart.
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Speaker 1: I would definitely be among the first three million people
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Speaker 1: that died in this situation. If I got into the gate,
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Speaker 1: I would not last past the first five minutes.
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Speaker 2: I know myself. I'd die from something stupid pretty quick. Yeah. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Well he's got some military training as well, Right, so
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Speaker 2: that's the sort of thinking.
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Speaker 1: Oh right, right, that's true. That's true. He's not just
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Speaker 1: in every guy. He's a guy that does have some
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Speaker 1: amount of skills from a chosen life path.
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Speaker 2: What did you think about some of the gore now
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Speaker 2: that we're you know, running over corpses and getting splattered
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Speaker 2: and that level of death.
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Speaker 1: I like that it is so brutally honest about video
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Speaker 1: game violence. I like that video game violence is both
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Speaker 1: real and serious that actually feel because because video games
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Speaker 1: are just so senselessly violin. There's huge piles of guts
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Speaker 1: because that's you know, the pixel size on your screen
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Speaker 1: to render and stuff, and to have it be real
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Speaker 1: and disgusting to the character. Right, he's like talking about,
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Speaker 1: like I can feel like raw meat between my toes
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Speaker 1: or whatever, and like that's so nasty.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about the die hardness of it? Right,
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Speaker 2: he has to go He's going around without shoes and
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Speaker 2: cutting his feet up on ladder.
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, oh my god, and like doesn't notice the pain.
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Speaker 1: But then and the description of the healing potion and
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Speaker 1: working it just all feels so viscerally accurate.
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Speaker 3: To the experience of playing a video game.
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Speaker 1: And again, I don't know if that's standard fair for
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Speaker 1: this genre, but I'm enjoying it. There's something about it
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Speaker 1: that feels respectful is the wrong word, but it feels
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Speaker 1: more respectful than so many video games where you're just
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Speaker 1: dripping intestines everywhere constantly, and it's like never like in
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Speaker 1: the head of the character. I don't know, it's real
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Speaker 1: really graphic. But video games are by definition graphic because
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Speaker 1: they are like a graphic experience, you know, So.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's.
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Speaker 2: The graphic can be used two ways there for sure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly.
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm enjoying it while also watching through my fingers, right,
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Speaker 1: it's definitely all watching through my fingers kind of experience.
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Speaker 2: There's a moment where the Goblin tells him he's not
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Speaker 2: speaking his own language, he's speaking syndicate.
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Speaker 1: That reminded me of that scene in whichever one of
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Speaker 1: the Doctors it was that picked up Rose the first
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Speaker 1: time in Doctor Who, and.
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Speaker 3: She was like, what, your machine's in my head?
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Speaker 1: I didn't give you permission for that, Like, because isn't
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Speaker 1: Hitchiker's get to the galaxy?
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Speaker 3: He knows he's getting a fish stuffed in his ear?
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Speaker 2: I think so, Yeah, he gets the dobblefish inserted.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's aware of the fact that a fish is
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Speaker 1: going into his ear. He didn't exactly consent to it,
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Speaker 1: but at least it doesn't happen before he knows, you know,
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Speaker 1: Like this just that weird violation of like you can't
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Speaker 1: even speak English anymore, like you're speaking our language. We've
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Speaker 1: just like set what your language is going to be.
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Speaker 1: Is just I mean, obviously these people don't care about consent,
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Speaker 1: but it just really drives home, like the creep factor.
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Speaker 1: If they have the ultimate god powers though apparently not
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Speaker 1: perfect surveillance, which is interesting.
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Speaker 2: It takes attention. They have omnipotence, but not omnipresence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have infinite processing power for all the
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Speaker 1: eyeballs that they can technically build it install.
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Speaker 3: Even the AI and a team of game.
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Speaker 1: Coordinators or whatever is actually not keeping up with the
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Speaker 1: sheer volume of data.
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Speaker 3: Fascinating little loophole.
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Speaker 2: I would I would suggest that the AI is perfectly
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Speaker 2: capable of it. It's the syndicate that is not. The
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Speaker 2: people who are not the government too, is not so.
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Speaker 3: The AI is.
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Speaker 1: That's that's interesting what Choy says, says the AI get
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Speaker 1: to make that are not syndicate approved.
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Speaker 2: Because the AI is everywhere. The eye is controlling like
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Speaker 2: you know, the environment, it's giving out notifications, it's giving
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Speaker 2: out the loot boxes like all of those.
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Speaker 3: Is it sentient? Is the AI sentient.
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Speaker 4: Oh my first, it sure seems I know, I know,
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Speaker 4: it could just be a series of cascading things to
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Speaker 4: make all of the notifications.
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Speaker 3: It just all.
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Speaker 1: Feels very targeted at this guy's personality. Maybe it's just
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Speaker 1: a weakness of the author that everything's snarky, but it
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Speaker 1: just it feels so personalized that I wonder if the
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Speaker 1: AI is smart.
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Speaker 2: The AI is certainly capable of personalizing those things, whether
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Speaker 2: it's sentient or not. Right, it's capable of personalizing the
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Speaker 2: achievements to the person.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't mean it sentient, right, But I just
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Speaker 1: it's a very complex system, So I wonder if it
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Speaker 1: has to have sentience as an emergent property just to
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Speaker 1: keep up.
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Speaker 3: You know, it's a question.
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Speaker 2: That I have, good how do I answer the Yes,
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Speaker 2: you have questions. I like the I like that you
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Speaker 2: have questions. That's good.
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Speaker 1: Is there an answer to this by the point that
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Speaker 1: you're at in the books or is it still like
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Speaker 1: like the cat.
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Speaker 2: I am aware of the answer. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so you really are ray throwing me, like
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Speaker 1: for reals, he as a spoiler person, not just because.
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Speaker 3: The books aren't finishing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yah ah, okay, all right, I'm going to figure
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Speaker 1: this out, I understand. Ali is like, I'm gonna I'm
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Speaker 1: going to quest for the answer before the books give its.
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Speaker 2: See now you can go back and like study the
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Speaker 2: old chapters and stuff like yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
13:37
Speaker 2: So you know, he goes out, he fights the goblins.
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Speaker 2: He throws the one onto the roller, he jumps on
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Speaker 2: top of the other one and squishes him, and he
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Speaker 2: literally squishes him like a jelly donut. Right, Like he's like, oh, gross,
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Speaker 2: a description of Carl. Right, He's this very large, athletic
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Speaker 2: person who's maybe not in the best shape of his life,
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Speaker 2: but still in pretty good shape. Right. He works out
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Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. So he gets the
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Speaker 2: stat that's like strength of six, which is above most people,
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Speaker 2: and he's got a few other skills, right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, it was interesting seeing the stats. He's like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's big and strong and not too dumb. I liked
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Speaker 1: the little discussion he had with Mordecai where they the
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Speaker 1: difference between wisdom and intelligence.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
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Speaker 1: It's the thing that I think a lot of players
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Speaker 1: of any kind of game, with those sorts of stats,
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Speaker 1: you don't necessarily understand the difference. And it was just
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Speaker 1: nice that the game that the book was like specifically,
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Speaker 1: we are going to articulate this difference just to try
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Speaker 1: to get everyone to understand what we mean in this
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Speaker 1: book by these words, whatever your confusion is, this is
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Speaker 1: what we mean.
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Speaker 2: The wisdom changing personality is one of those things I've
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Speaker 2: seen a lot of speculation about where people are trying
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Speaker 2: to figure out what does that do If your wisdom
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Speaker 2: were to change, how would that affect your personality? That's
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Speaker 2: a stat that you could adjust because they said, like,
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Speaker 2: we don't do that anymore because that affects your personality,
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Speaker 2: And so I'm like, what do you think? What effect
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Speaker 2: do you think that would have on a crawler if
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Speaker 2: their wisdom was adjusted.
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Speaker 1: I think it probably would affect the problem solving process,
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Speaker 1: like the entire way that you approach a puzzle or
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Speaker 1: a situation like this. The decision tree would get reworked
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Speaker 1: from like the ground up, and like the emergent ripple
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Speaker 1: effects would just be a completely different decision for how
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Speaker 1: you approach a problem, how you make a choice. I
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Speaker 1: think that's what wisdom would do, is it would just
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Speaker 1: change your entire decision tree, everything that you wait in
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Speaker 1: that And how.
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Speaker 2: Does that affect your personality. Is it just because like
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Speaker 2: your interactions with other people have decision trees, right, and
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Speaker 2: so you're making different decisions when you're interacting with people.
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Speaker 1: Or I mean I think you'd had different priorities. It's
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Speaker 1: not just like an intellectual exercise. I think you would
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Speaker 1: like prioritize different things, you know, Like maybe you'd instead
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Speaker 1: of being like I'll just hit stuff, you'd be like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to mind max my way through, right, Like
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Speaker 1: that would completely change all of your decisions, not just intellectually,
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Speaker 1: but like, yeah, strategically, where do you go?
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Speaker 3: How do you prioritize your loot?
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Speaker 1: How do you choose to interact with characters or not
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Speaker 1: like or other crawlers? Right? Like, your desire to be
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Speaker 1: as soloist or in a team might change based on
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Speaker 1: like how much you want to strategize with taking advantage
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Speaker 1: of other people. Like, maybe you lose empathy because you're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: empathy is a drag, right, Caring about other people is
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Speaker 1: not strategically viable.
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Speaker 3: Maybe wisdom takes you into being like.
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Speaker 1: Well, if this point is to win, then strategy over empathy.
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Speaker 1: You know, that would change your personality if you didn't
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Speaker 1: care about people, or maybe that'd be more of an
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Speaker 1: intelligence thing. I don't know, Like I said, I'm not
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Speaker 1: good at knowing the difference between these two things, And
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Speaker 1: so I appreciated the book trying to give.
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Speaker 3: Us a definition.
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Speaker 2: An example of intelligence is knowing it's the police officer's car.
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Speaker 2: Wisdom is telling me not to piss on the wheel.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think maybe if you change your wisdom
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Speaker 1: to be even higher, like you know, wisdom is pinning
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Speaker 1: it on someone, Like higher wisdom would be like, oh,
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Speaker 1: pens pin it on a homeless guy, because then we
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Speaker 1: both get out of trouble or something. But I do
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Speaker 1: think it's interesting that only some stats can be changed
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Speaker 1: and other stats have to be kept the same, Like
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Speaker 1: there are rules that exceed even the syndicate, Like there
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Speaker 1: is something about the free will sentient being that is
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Speaker 1: bigger than the game and some level.
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Speaker 2: So the dose are jumping back a little bit in time.
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Speaker 2: The dozer explodes, he's in the safe room at that moment,
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Speaker 2: and so he sort of get this idea of like, oh,
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Speaker 2: the safe room can save you from like things that
17:26
Speaker 2: are happening directly outside if you get inside.
17:29
Speaker 1: But he bends the infrastructure of the game almost to
17:31
Speaker 1: the breaking point. Mordecai is like, the fuck, I'm not
17:33
Speaker 1: supposed to feel any explosions in here, Like, so Carl
17:37
Speaker 1: is already breaking the game.
17:38
Speaker 2: Oh yeah a little bit. And that was a directed explosion,
17:43
Speaker 2: which I think is important. Right, that's one of the
17:45
Speaker 2: reasons why it was so powerful directed explosions, and that's
17:48
Speaker 2: establishes in this game that directed explosions are actually more
17:50
Speaker 2: powerful than general explosions.
17:52
Speaker 1: Which makes sense because it's the same amount of explosion
17:54
Speaker 1: in a smaller area.
17:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.
17:56
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting that he is already surprising
18:00
Speaker 1: game master, breaking the rules, doing unexpected things like getting
18:04
Speaker 1: a legendary box for reasons that I don't think we're
18:06
Speaker 1: adequately explained, you know, Like there's a lot where it's like, okay,
18:10
Speaker 1: this is a unique character because a lot of things
18:14
Speaker 1: are breaking his way in ways that are kind of
18:16
Speaker 1: tevere and like, you know, to use a wheel of
18:19
Speaker 1: time reference. He's definitely got plot armor as one of
18:22
Speaker 1: his entry level achievements, and.
18:24
Speaker 2: There's some speculation for sure, like exactly what is the
18:27
Speaker 2: source of that plot armor? Is it just plot armor?
18:30
Speaker 2: Is it?
18:30
Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna have to rapho, aren't we since
18:33
Speaker 1: the series isn't done yet, you know, I'd like.
18:37
Speaker 2: You to maybe keep an eye on that and see
18:39
Speaker 2: what you think if you have any theories. Okay, because
18:42
Speaker 2: I have theories. We get a little bit of history
18:45
Speaker 2: about Mordecai.
18:46
Speaker 1: I've got a lot bit of history about Mordecai. Like,
18:49
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got his mother's ashes, which the cat knocks.
18:51
Speaker 3: Over, which is freaking hilarious. Like cats, cats, Why are cats?
18:58
Speaker 3: I love cats?
18:59
Speaker 1: But like it's a whole thing where he's like kind
19:02
Speaker 1: of a hostage, but also he was like kind of
19:04
Speaker 1: a badassed elver because he did get to level eleven
19:07
Speaker 1: and no one gets past thirteen, and like but he's
19:09
Speaker 1: also on a contract. But he's also and like in
19:12
Speaker 1: the concept of like the shape shifting every.
19:14
Speaker 3: Time, like he's in a It feels like.
19:16
Speaker 1: One of those things where like, yes, you work for
19:18
Speaker 1: the mob, but it's because your alternative was to sleep
19:21
Speaker 1: with the fishes, but like they will take care of
19:25
Speaker 1: your mama at the same time, and like make sure
19:28
Speaker 1: that like the school that your kid goes to like
19:30
Speaker 1: has textbooks. It's I don't know, it feels really weird,
19:34
Speaker 1: Like the protection racket energy coming off of his backstory
19:38
Speaker 1: is fucked up. And also just like the haunting way
19:41
Speaker 1: that he did not answer questions about what happened to
19:44
Speaker 1: his homeworld or why he can't go back. It's just like,
19:47
Speaker 1: I don't even need you to tell me to rafo
19:50
Speaker 1: right there.
19:50
Speaker 3: That was a rafau just in the text.
19:52
Speaker 1: There is there is some traumatic bullshit we are going
19:55
Speaker 1: to reveal in however many books. I'm assuming that's nowhere
19:59
Speaker 1: near this book. I'm assuming that is later because that
20:02
Speaker 1: felt like a huge looming shadow that he just skipped
20:06
Speaker 1: on past.
20:07
Speaker 2: I will say this, it doesn't happen. You don't get
20:09
Speaker 2: the backstory all at once. Yeah.
20:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, this does not feel like a quick backstory. This
20:13
Speaker 1: feels like a slow burn backstory for sure. And like
20:17
Speaker 1: no one ever gets past level thirteen. What, yeah, but
20:21
Speaker 1: there's eighteen levels?
20:23
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you mean? What do you mean?
20:26
Speaker 2: No one even knows what those last five levels even look?
20:29
Speaker 1: Like me telling me that they build these five levels
20:32
Speaker 1: every time and no one gets there. That is this
20:35
Speaker 1: This game makes no sense as a financial venture.
20:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell you a little bit about why
20:41
Speaker 2: they I think we know a little bit about why
20:43
Speaker 2: they exist. But we'll find out when we get there, Okay,
20:47
Speaker 2: because I don't think he necessarily knew when he was
20:49
Speaker 2: writing this book.
20:50
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, if I have the world isms kind of,
20:53
Speaker 1: because this is the beginning and there.
20:55
Speaker 2: Certainly are a few I of the world isms in here,
20:57
Speaker 2: like things where Mordecai says this is going to be
20:59
Speaker 2: on that level and I'm like, I don't remember that. Sure, sure,
21:04
Speaker 2: so this is, but it's also the point where like
21:08
Speaker 2: the game changes every time, so he can never be
21:11
Speaker 2: entirely sure about what's coming. So Mordecai's information, while accurate,
21:18
Speaker 2: is or is not necessarily up to date.
21:21
Speaker 1: It's so interesting how they co opt at least some
21:25
Speaker 1: crawlers to become part of the game, Like that is
21:30
Speaker 1: a fascinating and twisted way to make the game, Like
21:34
Speaker 1: there's something really fucked up about that. First you get
21:37
Speaker 1: sucked in against your will, and then you become someone
21:40
Speaker 1: who is actually making the machine run to grind up
21:43
Speaker 1: more people. That's it's like the game is still going
21:47
Speaker 1: on them, Like you're still playing the game by surviving
21:52
Speaker 1: as a gatekeeper of the game.
21:54
Speaker 3: You know, like this is this is twisted.
21:57
Speaker 1: The people paying for this, the people watching this are twisted,
22:01
Speaker 1: sick fucks like this is the Hunger and also like
22:05
Speaker 1: all those whole thing about sponsorships and viewerships is like
22:08
Speaker 1: The Hunger Games definitely has some DNA threaded in here,
22:11
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure, for sure that part the weird
22:15
Speaker 1: like forced prostitution of your entire survival arc is so gross.
22:22
Speaker 1: A good commentary on capitalism and the Internet and the
22:25
Speaker 1: attention economy and chasing the algorithm, but oh so gross.
22:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the corporation running this one is the Borring Corporation. Yeah, no,
22:32
Speaker 2: I mean you just think about the numbers, right, first
22:33
Speaker 2: of all, like the number of people who died when
22:35
Speaker 2: the earth collapsed, and then already we've lost three million
22:38
Speaker 2: out of the you know, three millions out of the
22:40
Speaker 2: thirteen million. You know, that's that's nearly what twenty five
22:44
Speaker 2: percent basically of the remaining the people who.
22:47
Speaker 1: Entered, right, yeah, right, absolute bloodbath here at the start.
22:52
Speaker 3: And still ten million people is a lot.
22:54
Speaker 1: That's a lot of people that are going to die
22:57
Speaker 1: over just the next few levels, because that's how this
23:01
Speaker 1: sort of thing works.
23:03
Speaker 3: It's a pyramid shape, you know.
23:06
Speaker 2: But then you look at the number of people, quintillions
23:09
Speaker 2: of citizens of the Syndicate. Right, this is a multiplanet
23:14
Speaker 2: you know, they have one of these. They sacrifice a
23:16
Speaker 2: planet for a TV show every two and a half years.
23:21
Speaker 3: I mean, they've got to.
23:22
Speaker 1: Be spread out across at least a quarter of the
23:24
Speaker 1: entire Milky Way in order to have that kind of
23:27
Speaker 1: of reach.
23:28
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous so much Aliens.
23:31
Speaker 1: Also the whole thing about like seeding planets with like
23:34
Speaker 1: different races and like humans are some of the weak ones.
23:36
Speaker 1: It's just like, oh, Panspermia just got a dark twist.
23:39
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
23:40
Speaker 1: That's the darkest twist on Panspermia I have ever heard.
23:45
Speaker 2: And there'll be more details on that, for sure.
23:48
Speaker 1: I should freaking hope. So you can't just have that
23:50
Speaker 1: be the entire world. But like I know, spare world
23:51
Speaker 1: building is an effective tool of sci fi. But I'm
23:53
Speaker 1: going to need more more revealed about why humans are
23:57
Speaker 1: one of six seed races for this game.
24:00
Speaker 2: What and so we give accesses to access to the
24:17
Speaker 2: crawler menu. What do you think about the inventory?
24:21
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, Balder's Gate three has a horrible
24:23
Speaker 1: inventory interface and I hate it.
24:26
Speaker 3: So inventory menus are a thing I think need to.
24:28
Speaker 1: Be really good I think inventories need to be well constructed,
24:31
Speaker 1: and it's very hard to comprehend a video game layout
24:35
Speaker 1: inventory in a linear form like an audiobook. It's a
24:38
Speaker 1: very difficult medium to translate a layout through. But I
24:41
Speaker 1: did enjoy it in terms of the structure, and then
24:44
Speaker 1: the way that we skip it starts to get a
24:46
Speaker 1: little tedious and ridiculous, and then we just start closing
24:48
Speaker 1: stuff out.
24:50
Speaker 2: So in this one, let me read it. Last season
24:52
Speaker 2: it was a slot based system. It allowed you to
24:55
Speaker 2: carry multiple items, but it was limited in capacity and
24:57
Speaker 2: had a weight limit. This season, each crawlers given dimensional
25:01
Speaker 2: inventory an ai CAT cataloging system. What does that mean.
25:07
Speaker 2: It's a good thing. Basically unlimited storage and if you
25:11
Speaker 2: can physically lift it off the ground by yourself for
25:13
Speaker 2: about four seconds, you can put it in your space
25:16
Speaker 2: no matter how big it is. The only rules you
25:19
Speaker 2: can't store living creatures. They will immediately die. Also, the
25:22
Speaker 2: storage is time locked, so food doesn't go bad. That's
25:26
Speaker 2: a big one. We had that last issue last season
25:29
Speaker 2: with crawlers starving to death. So I think that's a powerful,
25:33
Speaker 2: powerful tool.
25:34
Speaker 3: It's bigger on the inside.
25:35
Speaker 2: It's bigger on the inside.
25:36
Speaker 3: It's time locked and it can hold things ofp to
25:40
Speaker 3: infinite way.
25:40
Speaker 1: Also the whole thing about hot barring your potions and
25:44
Speaker 1: stuff and being able to store them up to like
25:46
Speaker 1: ninety nine thousand or whatever.
25:48
Speaker 3: Like it just it's a good game layout. It's a
25:52
Speaker 3: good design. I like it. It's so unrealistic. I love it.
25:56
Speaker 2: I think it's part of the appeal is like this
25:57
Speaker 2: actually sounds like a fun game to play if you
25:59
Speaker 2: were to actually right, like unlimited inventory, not having to
26:02
Speaker 2: worry about inventory management because there's an AI who's going
26:04
Speaker 2: to sort it for you and bring up the things
26:07
Speaker 2: you want really quickly, right, Like it's it sounds great
26:11
Speaker 2: and like it takes a lot of the anxiety out
26:13
Speaker 2: of the game.
26:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, A well set up inventory and hot bar
26:17
Speaker 1: is so important.
26:18
Speaker 3: For smooth game interfacing.
26:19
Speaker 1: And also I love the little comment like, oh, yeah,
26:21
Speaker 1: you'll want to use the hot key to consume potions
26:23
Speaker 1: because some of them taste bad. You don't want to
26:25
Speaker 1: like actually drink them. You want to just use a
26:27
Speaker 1: little game mechanic to like apply them without drinking them.
26:30
Speaker 1: Like these funny little things of applying video game rules
26:33
Speaker 1: to real life and real life to video games and
26:36
Speaker 1: just like the funny incongruities there.
26:39
Speaker 2: I like that detail, and so I thought this was
26:41
Speaker 2: funny when market I goes, oh, you got a legendary
26:44
Speaker 2: pet box? Why didn't you say so? And Carl's been
26:47
Speaker 2: asking repeatedly if you can open his boxes, yet after
26:49
Speaker 2: every lesson, Rights were saying no, not yet, kid, we don't.
26:53
Speaker 2: Will talk about the boxes later. And then he's like,
26:55
Speaker 2: legendary box, why didn't you say so? And Carl's like
26:58
Speaker 2: you I thought that was a good moment, so funny.
27:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a very good dynamic. And then we
27:04
Speaker 1: finally get to the boxes. I was also very anxious
27:06
Speaker 1: to know what kind of loot you would get, what
27:08
Speaker 1: kind of weird stuff was going to be in there?
27:10
Speaker 2: Okay, what did you think about the announcements in the boxes? Right?
27:13
Speaker 2: Because there was like, first of all, all the achievements,
27:16
Speaker 2: and then he gets all the boxes and then he
27:17
Speaker 2: has to open all the boxes, and so that's where
27:19
Speaker 2: a lot of things is a lot of that game
27:21
Speaker 2: mechanic in there.
27:22
Speaker 1: That's where it's annoying in a tutorial level kind of way.
27:26
Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, this is good.
27:27
Speaker 1: I'm getting a feel for the stuff that we're clicking past,
27:30
Speaker 1: and a lot of the things were really dumb and
27:33
Speaker 1: in a way that.
27:33
Speaker 3: Felt very appropriate.
27:34
Speaker 1: But you get a few healing potions and you get
27:36
Speaker 1: like a rubber chicken and a toe ring. And then
27:41
Speaker 1: this was one of the notes I sent you, was
27:43
Speaker 1: the pot Ophelia comment was like, hey, that's my kink.
27:49
Speaker 1: And because you had mentioned before that he has the
27:50
Speaker 1: prettiest feet and that that's relevant and that was just
27:53
Speaker 1: a weird throwaway line you gave me before I ever
27:54
Speaker 1: started reading it.
27:55
Speaker 3: Here's the first foot fetish joke.
27:58
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And then I've been a toe ring, so
28:01
Speaker 1: I guess that's two weird things about feet. I also
28:04
Speaker 1: love that the tow ring has to be uncomfortable, like
28:06
Speaker 1: it will resize itself to fit, but it also will
28:08
Speaker 1: be uncomfortable.
28:09
Speaker 3: Just ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous.
28:12
Speaker 2: Uh.
28:13
Speaker 1: He's now branded as like friendly with goblins, but he'll
28:16
Speaker 1: get attacked by creatures that don't like goblins. Like the
28:18
Speaker 1: way he's just accumulating not just loot, but like game settings,
28:23
Speaker 1: like certain story paths are being cut off or opened,
28:27
Speaker 1: and like narrowing his options and really like forcing him
28:30
Speaker 1: into something that's closer and closer to an archetypal character
28:33
Speaker 1: and less of just a blank template of a man
28:36
Speaker 1: mm hmm.
28:36
Speaker 2: And the way, just like surviving has forced him into
28:39
Speaker 2: those sort of choices.
28:40
Speaker 1: Right right, I like a game that will give you
28:43
Speaker 1: accomplishments just for doing stuff that kind of helps set
28:46
Speaker 1: the role play and set the direction you're going in.
28:49
Speaker 1: It's I think it's a handy way to reduce the
28:51
Speaker 1: options paralysis.
28:53
Speaker 2: Two things he does put on are the night daunt
28:55
Speaker 2: cloak of stoutness and the enchanted troll skin shirt of pummeling,
29:00
Speaker 2: both of which are actually pretty valuable items.
29:02
Speaker 1: And to make him between that and the tow ring
29:04
Speaker 1: make him stronger than almost in a human who's ever lived.
29:06
Speaker 1: According to Mark, right out of the gate, he is
29:09
Speaker 1: now getting close to Superman in terms of his walking
29:13
Speaker 1: around presence. He can't fly, but he is literally like
29:16
Speaker 1: one of the strongest punchers that the human species has
29:19
Speaker 1: ever produced now because of power ups.
29:20
Speaker 3: Just like right out of the gate.
29:21
Speaker 2: He is level two well I mean like yeah, I
29:23
Speaker 2: mean the shirt like multiplies his strength by five, right,
29:26
Speaker 2: just like, whatever whatever his strength is, you take even
29:29
Speaker 2: like the work weakest person. If you won't why there's
29:31
Speaker 2: strength by five. That's a very strong person.
29:34
Speaker 1: Right right, And apparently it might make female trolls amorous
29:36
Speaker 1: towards him, So I'm curious if that's going to be
29:38
Speaker 1: a problem at some point, Rafo.
29:43
Speaker 2: The thing is like, oh yeah, this is gonna be fun.
29:46
Speaker 2: This is this is so much fun as a new reader,
29:49
Speaker 2: like to fuck with you a little bit. And of
29:52
Speaker 2: course then the legendary box is the enchanted pet biscuits.
29:56
Speaker 1: Yes, which I was like as soon as I saw
30:00
Speaker 1: it was a magic pet biscuit and it was legendary
30:02
Speaker 1: and stuff. I was like, Okay, this is how we
30:05
Speaker 1: make Donut into being someone who could communicate more clearly
30:08
Speaker 1: with Karl. I don't know how, but I know that
30:12
Speaker 1: the cat is a presence, at least up until book seven.
30:14
Speaker 1: The cat is a very important part of it. People
30:16
Speaker 1: make jokes about Donut, like I know that Donut is important.
30:20
Speaker 1: So she's either going to get a voice, become telepathic,
30:23
Speaker 1: get apposable thumbs, like get like a speech bubble, you know,
30:28
Speaker 1: like heads up attached, like something, something involving her ability
30:31
Speaker 1: to interact with Carl was gonna get an upgrade. So
30:33
Speaker 1: I wasn't worried when she turned into a pile of goo.
30:35
Speaker 1: I was like, whatever, it's fine, Like, we're gonna get
30:37
Speaker 1: a communication power up, but how is the communication power
30:40
Speaker 1: up going to come through? I was like, this is absurd.
30:43
Speaker 1: This book is absurd. I have no idea how it's
30:46
Speaker 1: gonna be weird. There's gonna be a twist. And I
30:50
Speaker 1: was so excited. I was so freaking excited to have
30:52
Speaker 1: Donut have more personality.
30:54
Speaker 3: And I was not disappointed.
30:59
Speaker 1: I had to go back and re listen to the
31:01
Speaker 1: end of the chapter just because the voice in the
31:03
Speaker 1: audio book is so amazing. I just, oh my god,
31:08
Speaker 1: I'm so here for Donut. I'm so here for Donut
31:11
Speaker 1: having this voice.
31:12
Speaker 2: So there's a couple of moments I want to talk about.
31:14
Speaker 2: One the fact that he was thinking about selling it
31:17
Speaker 2: and not giving it to her.
31:18
Speaker 3: And Okay, first of all, fuck him for that.
31:20
Speaker 2: Okay, I was curious what your reaction to that was.
31:23
Speaker 1: Fuck him for that. Negative fifty points, negative fifty points.
31:27
Speaker 1: I don't like Carl for the fact is cool, Like, no, no,
31:31
Speaker 1: all of all the good plot is lying in that,
31:33
Speaker 1: in that little kibble. If you try to sell that, like,
31:35
Speaker 1: first of all, your shithead for wanting to sell it,
31:37
Speaker 1: but also, this book will not be nearly as much
31:39
Speaker 1: fun if you sell it. So like I was like
31:40
Speaker 1: just waiting for Donut to come up and grab it.
31:43
Speaker 1: I'm like, surely it's attractive enough to her because it's
31:46
Speaker 1: meant to be, like the snacks are supposed to be appealing.
31:48
Speaker 1: I'm like, surely she's just gonna come take She has
31:50
Speaker 1: no respect, and it's supposed to be appealing, right, and
31:52
Speaker 1: we need it for plot, like shut up, Carl your
31:54
Speaker 1: ship head.
31:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he sure's just leaping up and snagging
31:59
Speaker 2: it out of his hand, so it's such a cat
32:00
Speaker 2: thing to do, right.
32:01
Speaker 1: And then she turns into goo and he immediately feels
32:04
Speaker 1: bad and like, oh no, and I'm just like, good,
32:06
Speaker 1: that's right.
32:06
Speaker 3: You feel like shit, you feel bad for five minutes.
32:09
Speaker 2: I don't think he ever would have sold it, I'll
32:11
Speaker 2: be honest, like he was. Just is that like weighing
32:14
Speaker 2: your options of like I could also he wants pants.
32:17
Speaker 2: He wants to be able to buy some pants.
32:19
Speaker 1: No, he needs to shirt cock it through the through
32:22
Speaker 1: the dungeon. I think that's perfectly. He has boxers, it's
32:26
Speaker 1: fine basically shorts exactly, but I liked that the Donut's
32:31
Speaker 1: lack of boundaries included taking the agency for because I mean, also,
32:34
Speaker 1: she's a crawler, right, She's not like she is a pet,
32:38
Speaker 1: but she's she's a crawler. You know, she's been assigned
32:40
Speaker 1: to a crawler number. She got the pet box. But like,
32:44
Speaker 1: you know, she she's a smart kittie. She she knows
32:47
Speaker 1: that that's for her and that she needs it in
32:48
Speaker 1: order to survive. She's gonna win this thing. The cat
32:51
Speaker 1: is gonna win Earth back and then push it off
32:54
Speaker 1: the table just for shitting higgles. Also, but like, the
32:57
Speaker 1: cat is gonna win the game. That's my prediction now
33:00
Speaker 1: for book ten, as they can't.
33:01
Speaker 2: Win, well, I'll raffle that for everybody, because we do
33:05
Speaker 2: not know. Troll skin shirt is plus seven to regeneration,
33:09
Speaker 2: which is huge, right, like if he gets wounded.
33:12
Speaker 3: Like oh yeah, insta heel.
33:13
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the cloak is plus four to constitution,
33:16
Speaker 2: which and he's resistant to poison so poison doesn't really
33:19
Speaker 2: hurt him.
33:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also cold damage, like so.
33:22
Speaker 2: There's a lot of benefits between those two items, and
33:25
Speaker 2: he I think he just continues to wear these items
33:28
Speaker 2: basically forever.
33:29
Speaker 1: Well, that's what you do in a video game when
33:30
Speaker 1: you get a cool edentary item at the beginning. That's
33:32
Speaker 1: like your character's personality is having those few items and
33:36
Speaker 1: then whatever else you get later on.
33:37
Speaker 3: That's how it works.
33:38
Speaker 2: He has a powerful strike again, so that multiplies his
33:41
Speaker 2: damage when he's not wielding a weapon. So yeah, just
33:44
Speaker 2: all of these advantages to basically being a you know,
33:47
Speaker 2: punch hard things just because like he didn't have a
33:50
Speaker 2: weapon when he came in and and sort of like
33:52
Speaker 2: you develop whatever weapon you have right until you see
33:56
Speaker 2: that with there's other characters who have sometimes someone them
33:59
Speaker 2: bring weapon and they get good at that kind of weapon.
34:02
Speaker 1: The whole thing about getting to level up and choose
34:04
Speaker 1: your class and change your race and like all of
34:07
Speaker 1: that were like you have your starting conditions, but then
34:10
Speaker 1: you can tweak it. Like I love that mechanic in
34:12
Speaker 1: video games, and I think it's aside from all the
34:14
Speaker 1: death in Mayhem, I think it's a really cool mechanic
34:16
Speaker 1: to apply in this this game book story thing. It's
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Speaker 1: really cool to be like, yeah, no, you can just
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Speaker 1: specialize in magic. You can choose to become good at
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Speaker 1: a thing that you're not good at simply by truing
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Speaker 1: experience in the game and leveling up, Like, I think
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Speaker 1: that's a pretty neat thing to play with in this universe.
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Speaker 2: And then yeah, I think the last thing there is
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Speaker 2: uh Donut popping up, which is immediately criticizing his cloak.
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Speaker 2: And I can't find.
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Speaker 1: A London designed why Mistress Beach was highed. Oh my god,
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so here for Donu just being
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Speaker 1: a snooty little princess. But like with the scathing commentary,
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Speaker 1: and so I'm assuming that they're going to have a
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Speaker 1: very like biting, buddy cop like snark fest as.
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Speaker 3: We go through this.
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Speaker 1: This feels like it's going to be a very snarky relationship.
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Speaker 1: You can't lie to me, I know, I know this
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Speaker 1: is going to be.
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Speaker 3: A snark fest.
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Speaker 2: There's certainly a fair amount of that, right because he's
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Speaker 2: he's used to like ras in his buddies and she's
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Speaker 2: a princess cat who has a lot of like you know, opinions, right,
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Speaker 2: So this is going to be fun and she remembers everything.
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Speaker 3: This is going to be so much fun. I'm so
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Speaker 3: glad that she has a voice.
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Speaker 2: She saw things as a cat.
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Speaker 1: Oh of course she did, because cats have no respect
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Speaker 1: for anyone's boundaries or personal space. Oh no, oh, no, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to go read more.
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Speaker 2: All right, and so uh yeah, I think that brings
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Speaker 2: us the end of the four chapters that we wanted
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Speaker 2: to talk about today.
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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's great. This is fun. I'm having
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Speaker 3: a great time.
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Speaker 2: Good. I'm enjoying watching you read this and teasing you
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Speaker 2: a little bit with some of the stuff that I know.
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Speaker 2: But also there's a lot of things I don't know,
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Speaker 2: because you know, the story's not finished, so I cannot.
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Speaker 2: I'm enjoying the fact that some things I'll be able
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Speaker 2: to spoil, some things I won't, and I'll be able
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Speaker 2: to tell you. Oh I don't know that, but I
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Speaker 2: will know it. I will know it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Figuring out how to navigate the new books when they
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Speaker 1: come out will be an interesting.
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Speaker 2: Maybe I read them first and then we read through
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Speaker 2: chapter by chapter with you on them or something like.
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Speaker 3: That, or do we read them together.
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Speaker 1: We will find out, we'll find out, we all find
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Speaker 1: out together. First we have to name this podcast.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, we do have to name it. I'd
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Speaker 2: say send the names, but if you're listening to this,
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Speaker 2: we probably already picked one. Yeah, and you know more
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Speaker 2: than we do, so I guess for us, it's mafo,
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Speaker 2: wait and find out. For you, you already.
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Speaker 3: Know podcast And.
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Speaker 1: All right with that, I think we're done.
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Speaker 2: Everybody.
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