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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And His Infamous Black Book (Part 2) (7/31/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: Yes, tonight, we're gonna pick up where we left off
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  Speaker 1: on the morning update and finish this article from Mother
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  Speaker 1: Jones and Leland Knawlly. Quick catch up. This is the
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  Speaker 1: gentleman who called all of the people in Jeffrey Epstein's
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  Speaker 1: Black Book. We did the first part of this article
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  Speaker 1: earlier this morning, and now this is going to be
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  Speaker 1: the conclusion of where we left off, So let's just
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  Speaker 1: jump right back in again. This is an article from
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  Speaker 1: Mother Jones and the author is Leland Knawlly, the actress.
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  Speaker 1: It's a weird feeling. I'm kind of repulsed. Pavar was
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  Speaker 1: the first person I spoke to who had actually been
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  Speaker 1: close to Epstein. There would be others, and they would
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  Speaker 1: speak as freely and searchingly about Epstein as Pavar had,
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  Speaker 1: musing about their place in his life, some racked with guilt,
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  Speaker 1: some clumsily rushing to his defense. By far, the most
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  Speaker 1: eager sharer was an actress who had met Epstein in
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  Speaker 1: the early eighties before he'd gotten super rich, and who'd
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  Speaker 1: maintained a decades long close friendship with him as he
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  Speaker 1: rose into the ranks of the elite. She asked that
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  Speaker 1: we not use her real name. We will be calling
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  Speaker 1: her Julie. Julie huh. I can only imagine who Julie
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  Speaker 1: could possibly be. I mean, look, a lot of these
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  Speaker 1: people that were involved with Jeffrey Epstein, even if it
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  Speaker 1: was just a friendship, like this lady Julie, they know
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  Speaker 1: they didn't want to talk about that friendship. They didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to say that things were weird, right, They didn't
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  Speaker 1: want anything to do with the chance of Epstein crushing
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  Speaker 1: them under their heel. So when you have like these
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  Speaker 1: models and these actresses and these girls that were around Epstein,
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  Speaker 1: well he was in complete control. Right. Julie's name did
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  Speaker 1: not have any particular special notation in the book. She's
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  Speaker 1: not famous by any means, and as far as I know,
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  Speaker 1: she hasn't ever talked to any other reporter or media outlet.
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  Speaker 1: I like talking to you. I don't really want to
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  Speaker 1: talk to anyone else. She told me at one point,
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  Speaker 1: how old are you? You're like my therapist. And I
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  Speaker 1: get it. I've had people open up to me and
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  Speaker 1: just poor about situations involving Epstein and otherwise, so I
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  Speaker 1: get it. I understand exactly what he's talking about there.
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  Speaker 1: And for so long, a lot of these people who
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  Speaker 1: were affected by Jeffrey Epstein and his cohorts, They couldn't
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  Speaker 1: talk with anybody, They couldn't open up and tell their
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  Speaker 1: stories because they were afraid of reprisals. Julie and I
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  Speaker 1: would speak multiple times on the phone over the months
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  Speaker 1: I worked on this story, sometimes for over an hour,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes for just a few minutes. She met Epstein in
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  Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties at a dinner with her agent and
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  Speaker 1: a group of models at a known model hangout in
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  Speaker 1: New York City. Epstein approached the table well and asked
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  Speaker 1: if any of them would like to go party at
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  Speaker 1: his apartment, and some of the women agreed, Julie included.
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  Speaker 1: While Epstein played the piano for the small crowd in
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  Speaker 1: his place, a friend of hers pulled her aside and
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  Speaker 1: told her, I think he's hitting on you. And again,
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  Speaker 1: typical for Jeffrey Epstein, right, A typical move, a typical
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  Speaker 1: place for him to try and go and get some
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  Speaker 1: girls at a model hangout. What better for Jeffrey Epstein
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  Speaker 1: when he can walk in there and talk about how
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  Speaker 1: he knows this person. He knows that person, I have
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  Speaker 1: access to Victoria's secret, so of course he's going to
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  Speaker 1: have these models enthralled, and then we know exactly what
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  Speaker 1: happened after that, don't we. Julie allowed there was some
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  Speaker 1: initial mutual attraction and flirtatiousness, but nothing crossed the line.
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  Speaker 1: She said the two were friends and remain friends, and
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  Speaker 1: nothing more for their entire relationship. Soon after they met,
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  Speaker 1: Julie would find herself talking with people like Vera Wang
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  Speaker 1: and Andy Warhol at Epstein's dining room table, or flying
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  Speaker 1: with Epstein on his private planes to meetings and parties
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  Speaker 1: around the world. Vera Wang and Andy Warhol. HA doesn't
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  Speaker 1: shock me one bit. It does not shock me one bit.
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  Speaker 1: We've heard how many times the people that were around him,
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  Speaker 1: the people that were spending time with him, and then
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  Speaker 1: it's always these people that want to live on top
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  Speaker 1: of an ivory tower themselves and cast judgment on the
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  Speaker 1: rest of us. I find it galling that these people
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  Speaker 1: would continue to conduct themselves when they've been exposed for
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  Speaker 1: the absolute disgusting monsters that they are. She'd take a
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  Speaker 1: couple of trips to his private island, Little Saint James,
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  Speaker 1: frequent his properties in New York, New Mexico, and Palm
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  Speaker 1: Beach chill with a few of Bill Clinton's staffers and
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  Speaker 1: meet many of the people in Epstein's inner circle, including
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  Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts, his ventual accuser. She was always there in
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  Speaker 1: Little Saint James. Julie said, yeah, look again, the corroboration
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  Speaker 1: that we have heard from people who are around on
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  Speaker 1: the island and elsewhere, when Virginia is alleging that this
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  Speaker 1: abuse took place is something that cannot be ignored. Right.
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  Speaker 1: The only way you could ignore it is if you're
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  Speaker 1: looking for a way to try and discredit what these
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  Speaker 1: girls are trying to say. But the evidence that we
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  Speaker 1: have available to us, the circumstantial evidence and the eyewitness
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  Speaker 1: accounts of people who have come out on record. Now
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about four or five people. So again, where
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  Speaker 1: are the receipts from the accused? They don't have any folks,
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  Speaker 1: all right, That's why they haven't come forward with them.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they're not trying to challenge this in any way.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why you see people like Dershowitz lashing out
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  Speaker 1: the way he has because they know their back to again,
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  Speaker 1: their backs are against the wall, and there's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a lot of information coming out. We see that
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  Speaker 1: there's three hundred and twenty eight thousand documents in discovery
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  Speaker 1: already turned over to the defense, so what else is
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  Speaker 1: going to come out? Julie was always adamant with me
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  Speaker 1: that she never witnessed any sexual abuse during her entire
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  Speaker 1: relationship with Epstein, and that while she and everyone else
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  Speaker 1: knew that Epstein was into young girls, she never questioned
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  Speaker 1: whether any were of legal age. Of course not nobody did. Right,
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  Speaker 1: all of these people hanging out with Epstein thought that
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  Speaker 1: he was just such a good looking dude, such a
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  Speaker 1: you know, big buff swoen, good looking cat, that all
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  Speaker 1: these young girls were flocking to him. Come on, everybody knew.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so tired of that excuse? What are we seven
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  Speaker 1: hundred and nineteen articles in? How many times are we
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  Speaker 1: going to have to hear that excuse? She also repeatedly
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  Speaker 1: told me how happy all the girls were to be
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  Speaker 1: with Epstein, at least the ones she saw. The girls
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  Speaker 1: that can plain and say they didn't want to be
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  Speaker 1: there or that they weren't happy. If someone was unhappy,
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  Speaker 1: he had no time for you. His attention span was
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  Speaker 1: so short and he could be really rude, so any
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  Speaker 1: girl that was around him had to be up and bubbly.
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  Speaker 1: She said, you know, he was always joking around, doing
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  Speaker 1: stupid like sexual jokes. If there was some girl walking around,
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  Speaker 1: he'd pants her or something, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: But it was always in ingest. I let him go
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  Speaker 1: back then, I let him go back then. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a weird feeling. I'm kind of repulsed, but somewhere
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  Speaker 1: deep down I do miss that personality. Oh how many
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  Speaker 1: of these so called members of polite society are going
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  Speaker 1: to say they missed Jeffrey Epstein? And furthermore, what are
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  Speaker 1: you fucking twelve pantsing people? Are you kidding me? Right now?
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  Speaker 1: That was the kind of shit you did in the
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  Speaker 1: locker room when you were like a freshman in high school.
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  Speaker 1: A grown ass billionaire when girls are walking around his house,
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  Speaker 1: he's pantsing them and nobody thinks that's weird. Buddy bats
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  Speaker 1: an eye, huh. I'll tell you what. Try that on
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  Speaker 1: some of my friends and see the result. Watch how
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  Speaker 1: quick you catch the three piece with the soda on
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  Speaker 1: the side from one of these girls. Because I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you what, pants in somebody. That shit's not gonna fly.
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  Speaker 1: That's not normal behavior. And for Julie to act like
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  Speaker 1: miss Julie here to act like it's, oh, no big deal. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Julie, it's no big deal because
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  Speaker 1: you're around a bunch of sick bastards who have normalized
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  Speaker 1: this behavior to you. Julie seemed absolutely helpless in the
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  Speaker 1: face of the monstrousness of the Epstein saga, and over
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  Speaker 1: the hours of calls have we had, she would achingly
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  Speaker 1: retrace her relationship with him and discircle with me. At times,
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  Speaker 1: she was resolute in her condemnation, despairing over the seriousness
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  Speaker 1: of his crimes, and at one point telling me she
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  Speaker 1: was glad he's dead. Well, she's obviously all over the
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  Speaker 1: place with what she's saying. Deep down I kind of
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  Speaker 1: missed that personality. But at another point, I'm glad he's dead. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know who this Julie is, but it might
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  Speaker 1: want to seek a real therapist, as opposed to the
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  Speaker 1: author of this article. At other times, even though she
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  Speaker 1: was a survivor of sexual assault as well, she would
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  Speaker 1: grow irritated and retreat into denial, offering sloppy, desperate defenses
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  Speaker 1: of Epstein's actions or doubts about survivors. She read me
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  Speaker 1: excerpts from her diary over the phone, shared gossip and
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  Speaker 1: led me to flight logs and photographs to coroborate her story.
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  Speaker 1: She wept over how much, how such an influential figure
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  Speaker 1: in her life, someone who treated her with kindness, someone
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  Speaker 1: who looked who she looked up to, could have done
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  Speaker 1: such awful, hideous things, and how terrible it was to
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  Speaker 1: look back on their relationship and feel betrayed, and worse still,
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  Speaker 1: to miss him. Although she had better insight into his
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  Speaker 1: life than perhaps most people on this earth, she too
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  Speaker 1: had agonizing, unresolved questions, and parts of Epstein still remain
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  Speaker 1: in a nigga. I'm even to her. Yeah, Look, it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of deflecting here, right, a lot of trying
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  Speaker 1: to make excuses for his behavior. And there are no
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  Speaker 1: excuses for his behavior. I don't care if you're his friend,
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  Speaker 1: you're a mom, his confidant, his uncle, whatever it may be.
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  Speaker 1: There is no excuse for Jeffrey Epstein's behavior. I am sorry.
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  Speaker 1: We're not talking about a white collar crime here, and
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  Speaker 1: I've said this over and over. You're involved in some
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  Speaker 1: sort of Ponzi scheme. You can be forgiven. You're involved
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  Speaker 1: in cheating on your wife, you can be forgiven. You're
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  Speaker 1: involved in stealing, you can be forgiven. Hell, you start
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  Speaker 1: an endless war, you can be forgiven. But if you're
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  Speaker 1: involved in abusing children, sex trafficking women for decades on end,
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  Speaker 1: and you catch a plea deal the first time around
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  Speaker 1: the second time around, well you can't get away with that.
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  Speaker 1: My friend, all right, I think a lot about what
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  Speaker 1: my role and some girl's roles were different, Julie told me.
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  Speaker 1: I think Jeffrey liked to exploit people. If he saw
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  Speaker 1: a girl and could corrupt her, he might like that.
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  Speaker 1: There are two things that make Julie's story unique. One,
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  Speaker 1: Unlike many of Epstein's friends, she is not a famous
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  Speaker 1: or known person. That well, he had a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people around him that weren't famous. Right. He liked good
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  Speaker 1: looking girls, right, attractive young girls or girls that might
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  Speaker 1: have been of an age but were younger looking, And
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  Speaker 1: that was what Jeffrey Epstein liked. No reporter would know
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  Speaker 1: about her unless they did what I did and called
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  Speaker 1: every single person in the Black Book. Two, she knew
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  Speaker 1: Epstein well and from a very early point, being a
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  Speaker 1: part of what she called a small core group of
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  Speaker 1: friends who remained in his life from before you was
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  Speaker 1: rich and infamous, excuse me, before he was the rich
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  Speaker 1: and infamous figure the public knows him as today. From
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  Speaker 1: up close, Julie says she watched his personality change as
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  Speaker 1: his riches and connections grew. Well, until we know who
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  Speaker 1: Julie is, and if we ever do know who Julie is,
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  Speaker 1: we don't really know how truthful her story is. Right,
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  Speaker 1: we don't know how close they really were. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna leave this as an up in the air one
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  Speaker 1: right could be they could be close, no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: But again, we have to we have to really question
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  Speaker 1: people that are coming forward in this case, right, people
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  Speaker 1: that are saying they knew Jeffrey Epstein well, et cetera,
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  Speaker 1: et cetera. And I'm not saying that she didn't. She
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  Speaker 1: most definitely might have, but I'm always a bit skeptical.
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  Speaker 1: Throughout the many years of their friendship, she attended several
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  Speaker 1: private gatherings where only a small number of Epstein's friends
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  Speaker 1: were present, giving her an opportunity to meet and get
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  Speaker 1: to know the big players in his life. When Julie
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  Speaker 1: first met Epstein, he was wealthy, but far from the
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  Speaker 1: ultra rich guy he would become. He was secretive about
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  Speaker 1: his work always, but she believed he was working as
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  Speaker 1: a bounty hunter when they met, helping track down and
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  Speaker 1: bezzlers for corporations and possibly governments. Well, this is certainly
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  Speaker 1: a story we have heard, right, So this brings a
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  Speaker 1: little credibility to what she's been saying, because that is
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  Speaker 1: definitely a story that was going around in circles that
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was a sort of bounty hunter, a sort
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  Speaker 1: of forensic accountant for the government and for corporations, and
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  Speaker 1: his job was to hunt down money that was either
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  Speaker 1: hidden or stolen, et cetera, et cetera. So that definitely
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  Speaker 1: rings like a nice sound of truth to it, right,
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  Speaker 1: because that is definitely something that people in the know
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  Speaker 1: who knew him early on have been adamant about. She
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  Speaker 1: told me she sat in on a meeting in Paris
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  Speaker 1: between Epstein and Leslie Wexner, the founder of L Brands
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  Speaker 1: and Victoria's secret who says Epstein and Bezel at least
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  Speaker 1: forty six million dollars from him. Yeah, right, Epstein didn't
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  Speaker 1: in Bezel shit from him. I don't buy that for
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  Speaker 1: a second. All of a sudden, he comes out and
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  Speaker 1: says that right to try and distance himself a little
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  Speaker 1: more to make it look like him and Epstein had
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  Speaker 1: a falling out, but in reality, come on, man, who's
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  Speaker 1: believing that shit. This was early in Epstein and Wexner's relationship,
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  Speaker 1: not long after the two had been introduced by insurance
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  Speaker 1: tycoon Robert Meister. Epstein began working for Wexner in the
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  Speaker 1: late eighties, though the nature of that work still isn't
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  Speaker 1: entirely clear. Vanity Fair in two thousand and three said
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  Speaker 1: it was related to cleaning up, tightening budgets and efficiencies.
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  Speaker 1: Julie told me Epstein was helping to track down employees
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  Speaker 1: who Wexner believed were stealing money from him at L
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  Speaker 1: Brand's headquarters. So, okay, look, if Julie was really this
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  Speaker 1: well placed and she was sitting in on meetings like this,
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  Speaker 1: then the information she has is a treasure treasure trove,
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  Speaker 1: and I would hope that she was she'd speak to
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  Speaker 1: the authorities because she might have some information that they
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  Speaker 1: could have missed or something that could help put the
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  Speaker 1: pieces together. So I would hope that they would try
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  Speaker 1: and contact her on the down low about this. Right,
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  Speaker 1: She's not a survivor. She wasn't abused by Epstein, she
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  Speaker 1: was somebody in his circle, and obviously, according to this article,
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  Speaker 1: she has some information that she can add to the
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  Speaker 1: wider story, to the bigger picture. Leslie had said to him,
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  Speaker 1: I have a problem in my company. There's something wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Someone is stealing from me. Would you fly out to Ohio?
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  Speaker 1: And of course that's like hell for Jeffrey going to Ohio.
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  Speaker 1: Would you fly to Ohio for several months going over
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  Speaker 1: all my books with a fine tooth comb and find
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  Speaker 1: out what's going on? So we know that Wexner and
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  Speaker 1: Epstein were tight, and we know that Epstein was in
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  Speaker 1: charge of Wexner's assets, right, He was in charge of
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  Speaker 1: pretty much the whole kitten kaboodle. So it would make
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  Speaker 1: sense that for him to chase the money down, that
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  Speaker 1: Wexner would have to get him the keys to the castle. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So again, definitely rings true. Here on the plane to Paris,
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  Speaker 1: Epstein prepped Julie for the meeting. It was just going
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  Speaker 1: to be the three of them, Epstein, Wexner, and Julie.
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  Speaker 1: Julie wasn't attending in any official capacity. She was meeting
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  Speaker 1: some friends in Paris and Epstein invited her to catch
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  Speaker 1: a ride with him on Wexner's plane. She recalled a
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  Speaker 1: nervous and excited Epstein telling her to be on her
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  Speaker 1: best behavior, worried that she might say something that would
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  Speaker 1: make him look bad, and emphasizing how important this meeting was. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: of course it was. When you're meeting your handler, it's
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  Speaker 1: a big, big deal, right, when you're meeting one of
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  Speaker 1: the people that kicked your black mal scheme into effect,
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  Speaker 1: as in my opinion Wexner was involved in. Yeah, of
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  Speaker 1: course you're going to be telling some girl that's with
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  Speaker 1: you that she better be on our best behavior. Right
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  Speaker 1: that this is you know, you're going to deal with
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  Speaker 1: the guy that's basically in control of your life, the
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  Speaker 1: one or a handful of people that was in control
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  Speaker 1: of what Jeffrey Epstein was up to. So yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: could see him definitely telling her that it's an important
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  Speaker 1: meeting and that he expects her to be on her
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  Speaker 1: best behavior, whatever that might mean. Wexner was this super
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  Speaker 1: successful guy who didn't really have any life, and jeff
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  Speaker 1: described him to me as completely socially inept. Julie said,
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey was like, look at me, now, Wow, look at
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  Speaker 1: where I am, and it was exciting for him. The meeting,
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  Speaker 1: at least to Julie, was nothing momentous. I remember meeting
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  Speaker 1: Leslie at the cafe and all he did was eat
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  Speaker 1: peanuts out of the little peanut tray. And I remember,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: just to try and make him feel comfortable, I ate
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  Speaker 1: the peanuts with him. It was so incredibly awkward, said Julie.
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  Speaker 1: Leslie was shy, quiet, and the meeting was short and uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 1: Few words shared, no food served, the trio sustaining themselves
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  Speaker 1: on peanuts alone. I can only imagine what this author,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: the author of this article, was saying to themselves listening
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  Speaker 1: to this Julie lady ramble about Wexner eating peanuts, if
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: we like delved and fallen into an alternate reality. Again, well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know what this is, what this is
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  Speaker 1: even about. So this Jeffrey Epstein brought this sealist or
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Dalist actress with him to go meet Leslie Wexner. I mean, really,
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  Speaker 1: I never heard anything like this before, so I guess
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  Speaker 1: you know it's a It was a peanut eating affair,
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  Speaker 1: and fun was had by all. In all, it was
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: an eventful even an uneventful evening. But looking back now,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: one can see why Epstein had been so excited about
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  Speaker 1: cozying up to Wexner. Jeffrey told me, this guy Wexner
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  Speaker 1: was everything in the world, but he doesn't have anyone
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  Speaker 1: to share it with. And Jeffrey knew all the girls
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: in the world. That was Epstein's mo o. Julie said,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: he takes some rich guy and introduce him to a girl.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I spoke with one woman who said she met Epstein
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: at an art fair in Palm Beach. He was direct
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: with her. He came up to me and said, would
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you like to would you like a date with Prince Andrew?
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: She recalled, Look, we know that we know that Jeffrey
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Epstein was definitely providing girls for the Joe exotic of
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the Winsor family. We know that he was providing girls
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: for all of these rich people, and Leslie Wexner too.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: We know what Virginia has stated in the past, right,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: So I would not be shocked if you know he
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: was providing other young ladies for Wexner and the rest
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: of these people. On top of it, you see, because
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: at the core of it, Jeffrey Epstein, his plan was
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: the blackmail Let's remember it was about the blackmail, this
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: trafficking ring. Of course it had to do with his
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: sick proclivities, but the blackmail was the real motivation why
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: this ring was kicked into effect, and more importantly, folks,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: why it was protected. In the years following, Epstein began
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: to play a central role in Wexner's life. Jeffrey wasn't
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: just a money manager, he was a personal assistant. If
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Leslie had a problem with his yacht, he was there.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Julie told me. The billionaire handed a huge swaites of
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: his finances to Epstein's control, sold a plane and a
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: mansion to trust that Epstein controlled, and to the surprise
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: of his friends and colleagues, went so far as to
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: hand Epstein his power of attorney in nineteen ninety one.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: So remember, okay, Wexner was around from the jump. In
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: my humble opinion, it was Wexner and Bob Maxwell that
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: got this off the ground. Financially, those were the two
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: power players. Those were the two golden cash cows, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: those were the two people who made everything possible financially
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: and logistically for Jeffrey Epstein to kick this off. People
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: have said it's like we have one brain between two
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: of us, each has a side, Epstein told Vanity Fair
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and three. Colleagues and friends of Wexner's
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: were shocked at Epstein's hold over Wexner. Julie, however, wasn't
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: that surprised, called Epstein, saying to her, this guy has
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: no life, and I'm going to give him a life.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: It was that simple. So I don't really Again, I
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: don't really know if that was the case or if
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: that was their cover story. Again, remember who we're dealing
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: with here, folks, people that are that are involved in spycraft.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: There's always an enigma wrapped inside of the conundrum, right,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: So was this just their cover story, that Wexner had
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: no life and Epstein was the guy that was going
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: to give him this life of you know, girls and
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: stuff around him, blah blah blah, or was it something
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: much more sinister and that was just the cover story.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: Epstein's relationship with Wexner was transformative, if for no other
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: reason then that he became incredibly rich because of it.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Julie says, a huge, huge change occurred in Epstein's personality
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: after his relationship with Wexner began to solidify, and particularly
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: after he had started amassing his mysterious fortune. Well, I
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: could see that as well. You become bolder, right, You
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: become a lot more bold when you know you have
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: the Wexner's and the Bob Maxwells and the Ehud Barocks
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: of the world behind you and involved in making sure
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: that you're not going to get caught up. So it
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: definitely changes you and transforms you and makes you a
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: bit different. In fact, in her mind, three people were
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: responsible for the changes she saw in her friend. There
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: was Wexner, less directly, there was Bill Clinton, who reportedly
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: connected with Epstein through the Clinton Foundation. Now we know
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: it was before that he was coming to the White House.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Even before then, Jeffrey Epstein made trips to the Bill
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Clinton White House. So it was before the Clinton Foundation
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that they became friends. Okay, seeing a powerful guy like
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Clinton get away with what he got away with, said Julie,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: who never met Clinton, I think it just emboldened him
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: to think he could do whatever you wanted. And above all,
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: there was Gilanne Maxwell. When he was young and living
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: in New York, there weren't lots of young girls. I
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: could see it progressing as he got older. More powerful,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: more money, Julie told me. And the Gallaine thing, I
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: think is the key. Well, of course the girls got
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: younger and he became more brazen and more bold, because
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: once Gilaine came into the picture, well, that was when
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the intelligence angle really took over. And once the intelligence
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: players got involved, they knew they pretty much had carte blanche.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: They could do whatever they want. Get out of jail
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: free card. You're gonna get an NDA signed for you.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Don't worry. Nobody's an NPA, nobody's gonna prosecute you, don't
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: worry about it. This is for the greater good. Go
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: in and sate your disgusting fantasies, you sick monster, is
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: basically what his handlers told him. So when Gelaane showed up,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that was when it was a little easier for him
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: to have a cover story, a little easier for these
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: girls to be around, because he had Miss Oxford herself
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: there to try and make it seem normal. Maxwell, the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: daughter of billionaire publishing magnate Robert Maxwell, is often called
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: just called Epstein's right hand woman. Epstein's relationship with her was,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: by all accounts, tumultuous, toxic, and life altering. For the
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: both of them. Well, again, I don't know about toxic really.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess overall, yes, the relationship was toxic,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: but I don't go off of the premise that there
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: was any kind of real relationship there. This was a partnership,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and a partnership not chosen. It was like an arranged
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: marriage almost right. They have this man, Jeffrey Epstein, who
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: had worked with the CIA or the government whoever you
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: might have penciled in there when he was tracking down
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: this money for them. And then you have Bob Maxwell's daughter,
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: mister spy himself, someone who was taught at his knee
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: in the world of spycraft, and you put them together
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: to get the operation R So yeah, hell yeah. When
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Maxwell showed up, everything kicked into overdrive. Julie related the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: dynamics of their relationship to me in the extreme middle
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: school terms. At first, Jeffrey had a crush on Maxwell,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: but she blew him off and treated him like crap.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Shortly after they met, Maxwell's father died after falling off
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: his yacht. As Julie put it, Maxwell was an emotional wreck,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: and it was here that Epstein went in for the kill.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: In Julie's words. Nope, sorry, I don't buy that. More
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: cover story, more disinformation went in for the kill. So
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Gilain Maxwell is a victim, right, That's basically what they
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: want us to believe. And I will not have any
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: of it. Folks. I'm sorry. We have read too much,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: we know too much. She is responsible for what she did.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: She could have went to the authorities when Epstein was
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: arrested the first time and tried to get immunity. Then
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: she didn't. None of them did. Apparently it worked, and
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: even though he would soon become bored and done with her,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Epstein continued to take advantage of Maxwell's emotional vulnerability and
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: eventual attachment. According to Julie, the remainder of their relationship
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: was built on resentment, mutual jealousy, and a toxic code dependency. Yeah, sorry, Julie,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think you know their relationship that well. I'm
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: just gonna be honest when I say that here, folks.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Like usual, I'm not gonna hold back. I'll be honest.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: And I don't really know if I believe Julie's stories here. Sorry,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I just don't know if I don't, if they ring true.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: When it comes to Jeffrey Epstein and Gilen Maxwell's relationship.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think she would be privy to the behind
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: the scenes machinations of their relationship. Sorry, he resented her
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: for rejecting him when she didn't need him, and now
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: that she did, he was going to exploit it. She
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: used him and he used her, and that's where this
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: whole sexual production line came in. Julie told me she
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: needed to be essential for him. Recruiting girls is how
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: she kept her place. She had value for him. She
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: ran his house. Yeah close, She did run the house.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: She did have value. She did recruit girls, but from
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: a leadership position, not from a position of being forced
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: to do it. Maxwell has widely been accused of helping
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: orchestrate Epstein's child sex ring. Dan Kaiser, attorney for one
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: of Epstein's survivors, said that Maxwell was integral in maintaining
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the sex trafficking ring. She provided important administrative services in
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: terms of the hiring of recruiters and management of those employees,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: the making of appointments and dates for interactions between mister
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Epstein and underage girls that were providing sexual services to him.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: She also maintained the ring by intimidating girls by ensuring
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: their silence. Yeah, and she also helped abuse the girls.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: How about that, We're just gonna we're gonna leave that out. Huh,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: that's not something we're gonna add in. Yeah, let's add
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: that in. Why don't we? She abused the these girls with
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and without him, sometimes with Sarah Kellen Vickers.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: According to reports, Maria Farmer, one of Epstein's earliest survivors,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: set under oath that Maxwell brought in a stream of
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: young teenage girls to Epstein's New York mansion and told
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: The Guardian that Maxwell was key in making me feel safe.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I trusted her because she is a woman. She would
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: make us trust her, She would make us really care
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: about her. She was so dangerous. And that is the story, right,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: who Gilaine Maxwell really was, Not saying that Julie didn't
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: know Epstein, not saying that Julie wasn't around. But I
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: think I'm gonna have to go at the survivor's account
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of who Maxwell was when she showed people her real face.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Gilaine controlled the girl. Sarah Ransom, another alleged survivor of Epstein's,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: told the BBC program Panorama she would be the one
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: getting all the girls in check. She knew what Jeffrey liked.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: This was very much a joint effort bingo one hundred percent.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: All the evidence leads there. Everything leads home to Gilaine
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Maxwell having a leadership role here and she should be
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: treated in that regard. She should be charged as a
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: leader in this ring, and she should have every single
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: RICO charge in the history of man that is applicable
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: dropped right to her feet. Maxwell would also allegedly participate
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: in the abuse. Maria Farmer and Virginia both say that
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Maxwell sexually abused them. And we have other girls, what
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: about Annie? We know we've heard from multiple girls that
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Gilaine was in on the abuse itself. And if she
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: was abusing these girls, don't you think she was abusing
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: other girls. It's pretty, uh, pretty apparent to me that
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: she was abusing a lot of other girls as well.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Because of these allegations and others like them, Maxwell was
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: on the move for almost a year after Epstein's mysterious death.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: She was arrested only recently in New Hampshire in charge
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: with enticing a minor to travel to engage in criminal
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: sexual activity, transporting a minor with the intent to engage
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: in criminal sexual activity, conspiracy to commit both of those offenses,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: and perjury in connection with a sworn deposition. Again, conspiracy
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: can't be committed by one person. Conspiracy is two or
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: more people engaged in a criminal act. So let's get
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: on with the two or more people, shall we. In
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the course of my project, I would come to realize
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the Little Black Book was Maxwell's as much as it
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: was Epstein's. Bingo. Yes, it was not even a question
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: in my mind. Dozens of people I spoke to were
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: surprised to hear they were listed in his book, sometimes
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: alongside their parents or siblings, numbers and home addresses, and
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: just as many claimed they had never once met Epstein.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: But nearly all of these people did have some kind
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: of relationship with Gilan Maxwell. A friend of Maxwell's who
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: had also seen the book told me, this looks like
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: her address book. I know several people in here who've
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: never met him. I would figure about a fourth of
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the people listed in the Black Book knew only Maxwell.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Of course, that was her role. Maxwell was in charge
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: of the whole entire entry into so called polite society.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: She was the vehicle, She was the conduit, She was
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the one that opened the doors. So of course it
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: would make sense that she would be Jeffrey Epstein's gatekeeper.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Like the president has a chief of staff, the person
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: who says and who makes the decision who's going to
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: see or not see the president. Same sort of shit here, folks,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: And it was Gilane Maxwell who acted in that role,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: ended in that capacity. Her hand in the creation of
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: this book is clear. There are several massage lists for California, Paris,
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: New Mexico, and Florida, containing dozens of female first names
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: with numbers beside each. Next to some of these names
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: are little little notes in parentheses, like GM really likes
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I spoke to one woman, a body worker, who has
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: a note next to her name in the book that
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: reads GM hasn't tried yet. Oh, she shouted, that's so
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: fucking creepy. Yeah. Imagine imagine your name's in that book
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: and you had no interacted with these people, or you know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you've never met Jeffrey Epstein, or you're just like a
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: massage therapist and this reporter cold calls you and tells
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you this stuff. I would I would just I don't
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: even know. I mean, time to get a new phone number. Obviously,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Gilaane was a shark. Julie told me, anything you read
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: about her that's positive isn't true. She's a scary woman.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: The picture that Virginia drew of Gilaane, I completely believe
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: what she wrote. Julie told me Maxwell was Epstein's ticket
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: into proper high society. Yeah, how long have we been
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: talking about that here? How long have we been talking
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: about the conduits that led to Jeffrey Epstein and this
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: reputation that he had and all of these people that
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: were involved in it. Now, well they're either doing the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: marathon defense or some of them it's getting so close
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that it's become a full on sprint. Obviously, but these people,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: these were the ones who built this reputation for Epstein.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: These were the people who looked the other way. And
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: it was all facilitated by Gilaine Maxwell, her swag and
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: her you know, so called quote unquote socialite persona. So yeah,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: this was much more Maxwell's book than Epstein's. I definitely
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: agree with that one hundred percent. Jeffrey had money, Gilaine
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: had status. Julie said, yeah, there's no doubt. And that
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: was again, it was a coincidence. It was set up
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: like this by the powers that be, At least in
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: my opinion, from the way I see it, my perspective,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: it was for sure an arranged marriage so to speak,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you know, business wise speaking as far as the operation goes,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: And yeah, Kilaane was going to be the person to
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: kick in them doors, and Jeffrey Epstein he was the
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: money man. Well, they were the ones who set them
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: up with the money, right Maxwell and Wexner. He was
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the one that had the money. Kilaane was the one
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: who had the pizaz to get those doors knocked in
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: and to get Jeffrey Epstein rubbing elbows with the right people,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: so in turn they could get those right people caught
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: up in the operation and build the dossiers on them. Remember, folks,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: as much as these people like money, the one thing
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: that is more important to them than money is information.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: It was Maxwell who introduced Epstein to Prince Andrew, eighth
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in line to the British throne. In an Affidavid robert
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: claim she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: aka the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family multiple times
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: in multiple locations. Roberts was attempting to join a lawsuit
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: against Alan Dershowitz, who succeeded in keeping other plaintiffs off
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the case. Her Affidavid was struck from the record in
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: twenty and fifteen. Remember twenty fifteen, we were still embroiled
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: with the cover up. Epstein hadn't been arrested for the
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: second time, and the cover up was fully active. Still
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: not any longer. It's the doors are getting blown wide open,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: and with Maxwell being arrested and being left to twist
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: in the wind like this, it signifies that these assets
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: are burned and their handlers have torched all roads that
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: lead back to them, and they have abandoned them to
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: their fate. Included in the affid David was a two
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: thousand and one photo of Andrew with his arms around
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Robert's waist, a smiling Maxwell in the background. Was indispensable
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to the world Epstein had built for himself, but eventually,
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Julie says, he wanted to dispose of her anyway. He
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: was mean to her in the end, and he wanted
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: her gone. He called her brain dead, and he'd be
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: rude to her in front of people. Julie said, it
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: made my skin crawl, and I didn't I didn't even
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: like her treating anybody like that, that's just not right again,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, all part of the cover story. The
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: non PC stand up comic. All he talked to me
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: about was comedy. My wife's going to be pissed. I
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: talked to you about this, the self styled pitbull of
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: comedy told me one day. But look, I've got nothing
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: to hide. This was Bobby Slayton, a stand up comic
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: who was notorious for his racist and sexist material. He
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: used to call me up and be like, how do
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: you get on stage with all this me too stuff?
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Slayton said. Funny story about Bobby Slayton. My dad worked
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: in entertainment for a very long time here in Las Vegas,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and he had some pretty high profile jobs in live entertainment.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: And one of the people that worked with my dad
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: in a capacity of coming through for some shows is
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: this very Bobby Slayton. So one time, when I was
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: a kid, we're talking a long time ago. I was
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: probably well, I don't know, nineteen twenty, maybe a little
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: bit older, maybe a little bit older. Anyway, Bobby Slayton
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: calls my parents' house and it was something about work, obviously,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: to talk to my dad about the production, and I
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: answer the phone and he goes, hey, there, y asshole,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: put your father on the phone. I've now in mind
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: you I've never met this guy, never heard from never,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know who the dude was. And that
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: was the way that he called the house looking to
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: talk to my dad. So when this dude talks about
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: how he's like a non PC racist, kind of a
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: comic kind of dude, that is that tows the line,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: shall we say, there's no doubt I could affirm that
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: just from that one little conversation when I answered my
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Pa Aaron's phone. And according to Bobby Slayton, he was
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Epstein whenever he want. Whenever he talked to Epstein, it
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: was about comedy, and of course Epstein was talking about
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the me too stuff, right, that was the stuff that
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: pertains to him the most. How do you get by
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: using that kind of comedy stick these days? And if
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: you're not familiar with Bobby Slayton's comedy, it is pretty
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: rank and raw, to be honest with you. Epstein took
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: a liking to the comedian after seeing him perform at
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: the Palm Beach improv in the nineteen nineties. The guy
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: was a big fan of mine, and his girlfriend Gilaine
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: called me for his fiftieth birthday party. She said he
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: was a big fan and wanted me to come entertain
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: and there was going to be some big, high profile
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: people there. So I asked what does it pay, and
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: she says, well, it doesn't pay anything, but we're going
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to fly you out and put you up, And I said,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: what kind of fucking gig is this. Slayton mentioned to
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Maxwell off handedly that he might bring his wife, to
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: which she answered no women. The party fell through, or
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: at least Slayton's invite did, but Epstein kept in contact
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: with the comedian, catching his shows around Palm Beach, Miami,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: and New York. I could one hundred percent see Jeffrey
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Epstein enjoying this guy's comedy stick. It's pretty raw. Right again,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: if you're familiar with this, with Bobby Slayton's comedy stick,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: it is pretty raw. He was a house comedian here
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: in Las Vegas at several different places. He did a
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: bunch of corporate events, and that's where my dad had
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: worked with him a couple of times at corporate events,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: so pretty crazy. Epstein invited Slayton to his mansion in
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach for coffee and to talk about comedy, But
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: when Slayton arrived, Epstein wouldn't let him inside. I gotta
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: tell you, I don't think i'd let Bobby Slayton in
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: my house either. To be honest with you, this guy
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: all he does is talk shit, talk trash, and and
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: bash people in the audience at his shows. Even he
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: showed me the pool in the garage his cars, but
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: didn't let me in. Slayton said he was never invited
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: to the private island, but he once brought it up
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: in conversation with Epstein, who responded that he didn't invite
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: many people out there. When Slayton proposed he and his
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: wife come out to the island sometime, Epstein responded, No,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: no wives. Yeah, well that's funny, weird that no wives
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: are allowed out there. Huh. Maybe Bobby Slayton just a
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: lowly comic. His wife isn't allowed out there with them.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: But if your Alan Dershowitz, obviously your wife was with you,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: according to him. Anyway, according to Jess Staley, his wife
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: was with him. According to all of these people that
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: have been on the island, their wives were with them.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Why wasn't Bobby Slayton's wife allowed to go with them? Oh?
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I know, because he's just a lowly comic, not important
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: enough to get caught up in Jeffrey Epstein's blackmail ring.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Oh funny enough to you know, if we throw you
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: a few coins for you to dance for us, clown,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: but certainly not part of the club. Jeffrey was a
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: giant comedy fan. Huge. All he talked to me about
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: was comedy. Slayton said, he was like a little kid
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: talking about it. He loved guys with an edge. He
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: loved Lewis Black, Sam Kinnison, Bill Hicks. He liked guys
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: with an edge. Epstein's fondness for Edginus went well beyond comedy.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Julie told me Epstein liked anything controversial or politically incorrect,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: and anything to do with the brain. If it was
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: something that no one else would say, something controversial, even
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: about anything racial or whatever, he was happy to say it. Well,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: we know that he was a rather racist guy from
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: what Maria and others have said, how they spoke about
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: minorities and people of color. So we know that he
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: was definitely a racist guy, and he probably tried to
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: hide it by saying, oh, well, I'm just not PC.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: There's a difference between not being PC and being an
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: outrun racist, Okay, a very big difference. She liked that
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: about him, but there were times that became a problem
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: in their relationship. I grew up really sheltered, she said,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: and I was never promiscuous or anything. Once at a
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: dinner with Epstein and a male friend, excuse me. Once
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: at a dinner with Epstein and a male friend of his,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: the conversation turned and became incredibly crude. The men were
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: talking about women, and Julie was so upset that she
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: got up from the table and walked out of the restaurant,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: holding back tears, and flagged a cab to leave. Epstein
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: followed her and climbed into the cab with her. Julie
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: was crying. I felt like Jeffrey was amused by me
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: being naive. It was amusing to him. So Jeffrey Epstein
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: followed her into the cab. After making crude comments with
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: a friend in a restaurant. I mean, I don't know,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: but you would think that Jeffrey Epstein was making crude
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: comments all the time, Julie said. A friend of hers
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: dumped Epstein for being racist after a racist remark by
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: him sparked an argument between the two. Again, more corroboration
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: of the things that Maria was telling us. How many
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: times are we going to hear from other people little
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: tidbits like this and put it all together and build
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the puzzle. It's so clear for you to see, folks.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: If you have been following the podcast for all seven
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: hundred and eighteen articles on this crazy ass journey, then
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you definitely see what's going on here. If you're new
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: to the podcast, buckle in, folks, we still got a
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: long journey to undertake. When a model in their social
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: circle began to do nonprofit work in Africa, Epstein and
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: several of his intellectual friends told her, as she phrased it,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: that Africa is a waste. There's nothing that you can
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: do that's ever going to help. It's a waste of money. Well,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: you know, Bill Clinton sure loved to go to Africa
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and act like he cared. All of these people act
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: like they care about Africa, but they don't. It's just
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: a talking point for a lot of these people and
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: a way for their charities to bring in some more dough.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: In his conversation with Slayton, Epstein was cagey, stopping short
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: of offering his own opinion on things like me too.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: He didn't really get into any of his own opinions.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: He just asked a lot of questions. He asked the
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: kinds of questions that a young comic would ask in
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: comedy class. Was he funny? No, the sportscaster, he said, okay,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: you can go now. He asked a lot of questions.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: He didn't talk much. He was bland, said Susie Schuster,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: an Emmy winning sportscaster currently at the NFL Network. Schuster
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: was fresh out of college when she ran into Epstein
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: and Maxwell at a social event in New York. I
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: just thought Gilaine was so glamorous. Shuster glamorous Shuster working
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: for Andrew Neil, then one of Rupert Murdoch, Murdoch's top
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: lieutenants at what would become Fox News, And according to Shuster,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: there was a great deal of overlap between Epstein and
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Neil's social circles. Oh one hundred percent. Anyone who doesn't
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: think that Rupert Murdoch and his social circle was overlapping
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein's doesn't know anything. About New York High society.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: These people, look, it's not that big of a club,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: all right, people like us and like Carlin said, we're
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: not invited obviously, but it's not a very big club
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: at all. So all of these people who have big
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: do ramis, who run around New York City are all
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: friendly with each other. They're all paling around, and they're
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: all having laughs at our expense. A few days after
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: meeting Epstein, Gilaine called Schuster and told her that Jeffrey
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: would like to have lunch with her at his townhouse
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: in New York. I thought to myself, like a total jackass,
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: I am so interesting and so smart. He must want
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: to go on a date with me, she said. I
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: was twenty two. I know. Shuster was greeted at the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: door by the butler, while Epstein descended the large staircase
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: by the entrance dressed in a sweatshirt and jeans. Well,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: at least he didn't have his sweatpants on. Huh, the
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: cool sweatpants that good old jeff liked to wear around
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: all over the place. Frigging moron. Epstein gave Shuster a
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: full tour of the house, including the master bedroom and
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: massage room. The same room where dozens of alleged assaults
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: took place, and he and his staff served them lunch
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: in the large parlor downstairs. Shuster was just about to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: begin coverage of the nineteen ninety six election, but Epstein
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: didn't offer his own views about the election during the conversation,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: or about anything really. He had a really disarming way
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: of making himself appear brighter than he was. Shuster said,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: but you knew you weren't sitting with the brightest person
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: in the room. Yeah, that definitely rings true from all
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: the accounts we have heard. We know that this guy
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: was super smart. He wasn't running around with the brain
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: like one of these mit clowns that he was hanging
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: out with. He was faking the funk, right. He was
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the odd man out, the guy that was allowed to
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: hang out because he brought all the weed. Right, there's
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: always that guy, right. Uh, nobody really wants to hang
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: out with him. But the dude got all that bomb
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: ass chronics, So we're gonna let him come kick it tonight.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: And that's that's the scientists with Epstein. They're like, oh,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: he has all the girls and all this money, all right,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: so I call Jeffrey, let this dude hang out. After
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: an hour and a half, Epstein abruptly ended the conversation.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: I remember clear as day Schuster said, he said, okay,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: you can go now, and he just went down into
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: his garage and in his car, and I just walked out.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Uh okay. Well, I don't really know what that adds
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: to the story, but all right, the art student. I
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: remember being so scared that I wouldn't get out. He
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: was supposed to invest in my screenplace said a woman
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: will call Tracy. When working my way through the book,
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I try to steer clear of any known survivors, but
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: given the large swath of survivors Epstein had accumulated, it
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: was bound to happen that I would eventually find someone
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: who had been assaulted by Epstein. My phone call with Tracy,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: by far, was the most difficult of the entire experience. Yeah, well,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I can only imagine, right, because I've been there myself,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: so I get it.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: What if you were the city's best mechanic, but no
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: one could find your business online with Cox's business Internet.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: Tracy told me her friend had been commissioned by Epstein
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: to paint, and she tried to get Tracy to go
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: on a date with Epstein. Tracy had a boyfriend at
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: the time, and she declined, but when her friend told
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: her that Epstein was a philanthropist who funds artists and
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: would fund the screenplay she was working on, Tracy agreed
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: to meet with him in his New York townhouse. I
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: was there on a business meeting. I was dressed for business.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I had a boyfriend. The butler answered the door and
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: down when the stairs came Epstein, wearing a white T
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: shirt and ripped up jeans. Tracy was taken aback by
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the size of the staff at the house. People came
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: in with food, She recalled. People were asking me if
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I wanted a massage. I told them no. She remembered
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: climbing a marble staircase and walking into a huge grand room.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Epstein acted like a gentleman for two hours. Tracy said.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: We talked about Dolly the sheep cloned in nineteen ninety
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: six to great fanfare, and the whole cloning thing. And
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: he told me he had a place down in Mexico
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: where that he was already working on cloning humans and
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: very interesting there are folks. Nineteen ninety six. Zorro Ranch
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: already working on cloning humans, Santa Fe Institute, and Los
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Alamos Zoro dead smack in the middle of both of them. Again,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: when is the story, the real story of New Mexico
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: going to be revealed? We had an interesting talk for
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: about two hours, and at the end of the meeting
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: he groped me. I started crying and wanted to get out,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: and remember being so scared that I wouldn't get out
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: because there were so many people working there. I really
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: thought I might not get out of there. Epstein tried
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: to hand Tracy at check, ostensibly for the screenplay. Tracy
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: had gone there to discuss, but she turned and fled
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: out the door. She called her boyfriend immediately after the
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: incident and has never told more than a couple of
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: close friends about it, since I don't understand who these
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: boyfriends are, because I know my reaction wouldn't be not
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: to say anything. I'd be showing up over at old
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: boy's house. I'd be waiting for dude to come out
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: of his house and me and him would have a
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: real long talk about how you conduct yourself during a
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: business meeting, especially with my girlfriend. It is just so
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: bizarre to me that there was no none of these guys,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: so called guys, or people around these girls like Tracy here,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: who who stepped up and went and confronted Epstein, Oh boy,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: would have got the business. I can't even I don't
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: have one friend, honestly, one person that I'm close to
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: that I consider a friend that wouldn't have pieced Epstein
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: up over this. That big mouth of Jeffrey Epstein's, most
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: assuredly would be turning into a black eye. She thought
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: about speaking about when the first round of allegations became public,
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: but she decided not to out of fear for her safety.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I was always afraid because I knew he was really powerful.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: And you're going to think it's totally crazy, but I
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: bet you he cloned himself, and whoever killed themselves was
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: a clone. I tried not to think about it. I
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: wouldn't put it past that he's out there somewhere. He
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: said he had a lab in Mexico because the dolly
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: thing got shut down, and look, I've you know, who
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the hell knows at this point, I don't. There's really
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: nothing that I just out of hand. Just when it
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: comes to Epstein, we know that he was dealing with
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: some serious people down there in New Mexico. When it
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: comes to scientists, is his DNA on ice? Are they
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: going to clone him like the Emperor? Who the hell knows.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: After the incident, Tracy was inundated by phone calls from
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: a woman asking her to go to dinner with Epstein.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Tracy confronted her friend, who had recommended the meeting, and
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: learned that the painting her friend had been commissioned for
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: were paintings of vaginas. Oh that's nice. You don't warn
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: your friend. Huh, you don't warn your friend that this
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: dude wants you to commissioned you to paint a bunch
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: of vaginas. Okay, because that's normal behavior. She didn't warn me.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: She didn't seem surprised. I was kind of mad at her,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: said Tracy. When I told her what happened. She said,
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: he just likes to watch people shower. He won't touch you.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I said, are you crazy? Tracy told me that she
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: reported the incident to the New York the New York
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Attorney General's Office after Epstein's arrest in twenty nineteen. Still
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: worried about her getting out and inviting retribution, she submitted
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: the tip through the office's website. That's interesting because I
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: wonder how many girls survivors and victims of Epstein have
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: done the same thing, tried to come forward anonymously, and
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: have been ignored the Yogi. I saw the whole thing
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: start to form. Calling people up and asking them about
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein resultant in a lot of panicked hang ups
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: expected which I was expecting. One day, I called up
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: the number listed in the book for a financial excuse
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: me for a financier named David Mitchell, who identified himself
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: on the phone to me as David Mitchell after I
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: asked for David Mitchell, but when I mentioned Epstein suddenly
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: he insisted I had the wrong number. The next day
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: I read that Epstein's bond was co secured by his
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: brother Mark Epstein and a friend identified as David Mitchell.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Joe Pagano told me I never met him and I
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about, despite profiles identifying him
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: as a close friend of Epstein yep. Unfortunately, this is
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: the case anytime I've contacted people in regards to their
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: relationship with Epstein, I've been stonewalled, pretty much ignored. Nobody
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: called back. I'm talking even like you DA's prosecutors, people
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: like that. Even it seems like everybody is on the
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: run from the Epstein fallout, and nobody is willing to
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: step up and do the right thing on their own.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: So that's why I always talk about them being compelled
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: to do so. Others seemed willing to talk, if haltingly,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: only to turn on their heels later on. One particularly
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: ominous interaction was with Epstein's personal yoga instructor, who met
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: him in ninety two and traveled with him and Gilain
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: as a personal yoga teacher. For the fifteen minute phone call,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: he somberly beat around the bush, speaking in long, thoughtful
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: pauses and letting his sentences trail off. I met him
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: on his thirty ninth birthday. The last time I saw
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: him was shortly after Clinton left the White House. It
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: was two thousand and one, maybe two thousand and two.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I was with him in Palm Beach, Columbus, Ohio, and
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: New York Santa Fe. I did a lot. It's a
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: long story. It's a complicated story, he told me. It's
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: a long story. Yeah, it's a long story, and we've
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: been waiting for people to talk about it for decades.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: So if it's such a long story, you should probably
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: break it all down for us now that you're on
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: the phone here and let us know what occurred. Huh.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Probably a good idea. I spent a lot of time
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: with Gilaine. She gave me a lot of insights. My
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: last contact with her was she used to come out
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: here with Prince Andrew. What was Gelaine like? Oh God,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: that's a whole different story. I said he could tell
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: me the full story sometime, and that if you wanted,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: I would keep his identity under wraps. He said, no,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: A lot of people would fit figure out in a
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: nanosecond who it was. It was a small little group.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: I don't imagine many of them are going to talk. Look,
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I've worked with Rupert Murdoch on the far right and
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Zach de la Rocha on the far left. I try
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: to keep my mouth shut. My contacts were very broad.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm sure they were. But that's all fine
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: and well. But if you have some information that can
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: help the investigation, it's time for you to come forward.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Mister Yogi, all right, mister stretchy, mister downward dog stretcher guy,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: time for you to come forward. And then afterwards, we'll
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: make sure you're paid in a nice toufu reward or something.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, really, if you have information, come forward and
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: speak on it, because if you're compelled to do so
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: and they have to issue a subpoena to get you
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: to talk, you know how much worse that's going to
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: look for you. He went on, slowly, in a kind
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: of far away I saw sides of both of them,
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Epstein and Maxwell that most people didn't see. I saw
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: the whole thing start to form. By the time I
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: called him for a few days later, he had a
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: change of heart. He began shouting at me over the
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: phone about how he planned on suing me, that I
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: was not to print anything we spoke about. Well, okay,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: so obviously this yogi, mister yogi yoging tin needs to
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: be swooped up and compelled to speak with a subpoena.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: If he's talking about suing people, please give me a break,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: as if any of these people want a case to
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: get to discovery. Julie repeatedly told me she never witnessed
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: any kind of darkness, but that looking back, she regrets
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: not picking up on what she now sees as red flags.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: I wish when he told me he was doing naughty
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: things in Florida. I took it seriously. Yeah, probably would
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: have been a good idea, Julie, if you would have
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: taken it seriously. Epstein's affection for young women was no secret,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: as Donald Trump put it in New York Magazine in
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: two thousand and two. It is even said that he
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: of them are on the younger side. Epstein was very
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: aware of his reputation and reveled in the attention it
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: got him. I remember he was dating Shelley Lewis aka
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: Chocolate Souse. She looked like a little, completely undeveloped girl.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Julie said. She was definitely legal age, but she looked
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: really pre pubescent physically. He was walking around a popular
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: mall with her and finding it funny that people thought
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: he was her father. If Epstein was at all embarrassed
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: about the nickname given to his Boeing seven twenty seven,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: the Lolita Express, he didn't show it. He had the
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: book Lolita around, you know. He had multiple homes, and
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: there'd be a Lolita on the table somewhere. He had
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: more than one copy Julie said, he always thought it
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: was funny. Yeah, oh, real funny, real funny, and all
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: of the people around them, all the seeing the book,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: and you don't put two and two together, it's because
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: you didn't want to put two and two together. If
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: you didn't, it's it's because you didn't care, or you
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: were benefiting in some way from Jeffrey Epstein. All of
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: these people that talk about, Oh, I didn't know anything.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I had no idea. Give me an absolute break. Okay,
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: what seems now like obvious signs of trouble had tidy,
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: unquestioned explanations at the time. The young messuses at Epstein's side.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: For instance, I knew that Jeffrey needed a lot of massages,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: so it didn't seem odd, Julie said. I asked Matt
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: why Epstein needed a lot of massages, expecting some answer
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: about a physical ailment, But instead Julie told me that
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Epstein had said that his add tendencies necessitated frequent massage
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: for him to clear his head. Oh yeah, massages huh
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: quote unquote massages air quotes. We know what he meant
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: by massages, three girls a day. Do the math. Much
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: of Epstein's personality that was chalked up to being eccentric
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: by Julie at the time now seems incredibly effed up
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: in retrospect. I used to call him on his birthday,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Julie said, and he was always really short on the phone.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: But sometimes he would sort of snicker and laugh and say, oh,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I've been so bad. I didn't know what it meant
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: at the time, and he used to be full of
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: crap sometimes and say things to try and make himself
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: look interesting, But now I do. Yeah. Look, Jeffrey Epstein
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: was a sick man and he was brazen about it.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: He threw it right in everybody's face, the decor, the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: different items around his house, etc. Etc. Epstein called Julie
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: after his sentencing in two thousand and seven. He said,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to jail and didn't explain why. And afterwards
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: I started to pay attention to the case, and when
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: he got out, I just thought, this guy hasn't learned anything.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: She cut ties with him after his sentencing. Well, that's
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: at least one thing Julie did that I agree with. Here.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: If you didn't cut ties with Epstein after the sentencing,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: nobody has any defensible ground to defend here right. If
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: you were still hanging out with this guy after the sentencing,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: then you have no excuse and you have no one
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: to blame but yourself for any negative publicity that comes
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: your way. Julie recalled that Epstein had a habit of
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: telling inappropriate stories about the daughter of one of his girlfriends,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: a woman Julie knew as well. Okay, so we know
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: that that's Eva Anderson Dubin right right away. Eva Anderson
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: Dubin for sure. And the daughter, the young daughter something
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: with a c Celia Cecily, something like that. Either way,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Epstein had a trust in this girl's name, even and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: he also said he wanted to marry her, this little girl,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: the daughter of Anderson and Glenn Dubin. Some of them
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: would be like, you know, sometimes little kids say sexual
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: stuff and it's just innocent. But he'd repeat those stories
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: because he thought they were really funny, and I thought
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: he was a little too interested in that. I remember
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: thinking they weren't that funny. Why would an adult tell
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: this story, said Julie. I just remember being slightly uncomfortable,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: not like I thought he was going to be a predator,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: but just that it was a little inappropriate. Yeah, no,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: you're a predator. If you're regaling about little girls and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: teenage a little fourteen year old girls or whatever it
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: may be, you're probably a predator. Okay, those aren't funny jokes,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: jokes about pedophilia? Who's making them kind of jokes? She
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: shared with me an idea of hers that she seemed
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: uncomfortable even to speak out loud, that Epstein's sickness had
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: its roots in his relationship with this particular girlfriend, Eva
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Anderson Dubin. In my opinion, he loved her, but she
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: was never going to marry him and it wasn't going
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: to work. Julie said, he loved her more than anyone.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: She was like family. And then she has this beautiful daughter.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: The girl in Julie's estimation was like a miniature version
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: of her mother. I think that might have been what
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: got his interest in young girls. Well, I don't think
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: that's the case. I think it was long before that.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: We've heard about Montreal and we've heard about his going
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: ons there, right, but there is no doubt that he
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: had some sort of sick fascination with Glenn Dubin's daughter,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: zero doubt in my mind. And to be honest with you,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I have no idea how anyone under this son could
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: let Jeffrey Epstein be around their kid. Julie was only speculating.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: What she didn't know is that in the back of
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: my copy of the Black Book there are a couple
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: pages handwritten, ostensibly by Rodriguez the butler. Reading it, I
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: get a sense that Rodriguez was compiling and adendum to
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: the book in order to aid law enforcement. On one
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: page titled important Email Address, Rodriguez lists the personal emails
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: for Epstein and Maxwell, as well as several listings with
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: tags next to them like witness interacted and chat daily
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: with underage girls, important witness and scout for young Pamela's
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: whatever that means, I'll tell you what it means young girls,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Another code word, another code word, Another name and number
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: is tagged is tagged as in how Citrus Systems programmer,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: right next to another listing for Ahud Barack's secret service personnel.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: Months after Julie told me about the girlfriend and her daughter,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: I reread the handwritten page attached to the book and
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: saw the girlfriend's name and phone number near the bottom,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: with a tag next to her entry reading former model
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: and mother of naked pick ay yea, yay. Look, the
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: relationship with the Dubins and Epstein needs to be focused on.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: It needs to be blown out of the water. We
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: know about the little girl, the Swedish girl, and we
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: know about Jeffrey Epstein's sick fascination with their daughter, and
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: there's a lot more of there, folks, a lot more real,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: disgusting stuff, in my opinion. On one of our last
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: phone calls, Julie broke down. It was late at night,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: and Julie, who tried to steer away from news about
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: the Epstein case, had just watched the Netflix documentary Jeffrey
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Epstein Filthy Rich. The documentary features several in depth interviews
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: with some of Epstein's survivors, and they each walk through
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: the details of their assault at his hands. The atrocities
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: that Epstein committed and the scope of suffering he exacted
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: on his victims had become real and undeniable. She wept
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: as she recalled diary entries she'd read earlier in the day.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: He was a monster, and he was a monster. What
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: he did was so sick, you know. And then I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: read my diary and I saw how nice he was
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: when I was going through a major family crisis or
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: a breakup or something, and it hurts to still miss
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: that part of him. Julie's said he was my friend.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Uh uh, what, I don't Honestly, I don't understand how
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: you could feel any compassion or empathy for Jeffrey Epstein.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: He wasn't even your friend. He was just wearing a mask.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: You didn't even know who Jeffrey Epstein was. He had
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: a mask on for the world to see, and underneath
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: that mask was his true face. And the survivors they
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: got to see that true face. The assistant's old hippie mother.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: He thought she was a really intelligent blonde. Transcript of
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: a phone call with a self described old hippie whose
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: teenage daughter began working for Epstein in his Palm Beach
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: mansion around two thousand and two, just a few years
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: before Epstein's first arrest. Me, how much time did she
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: spend with Epstein at his place? Old hippie? Quite a bit? Me,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: So this law must have been difficult for her then,
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: old hippie, Nah, it's not difficult at all. Why would
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: it be difficult. Tell me why you think it would
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: be difficult? Me, Well, just the proximity alone to something
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: that happened that was so horrific. Old hippie, Well, you
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: know what I think, laughing. If people take payment, and
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: he paid people, well, then later they shouldn't complain. I mean,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: that's you know, one thing my daughter said one time
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: too me. Okay, and did your daughter get paid well too,
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: old hippie, Yeah, sure, me okay. How did she end
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: up getting that job? Old hippie, Well, she's a gorgeous blonde.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Me nervous, uncomfortable laughter. Yeah. Well, a couple of Epstein's
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: friends told me that if he ever needed someone for
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: a task or whatever, they would find him a beautiful
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: young blonde to do it. Old hippie, Well, she's beautiful.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: She's six feet tall, she's gorgeous. My daughter is a
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: very strong person. Me. You said she got calls from
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: some reporters and got sick of it. Old hippie, Nah,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: she only got a few car and she had nothing
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: to say. There's nothing negative to say me. Do you
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: think she'd be interested in talking to me, old hippie,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I probably already told you more
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: than she would here here, I let her know I'd
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: be interested in hearing her daughter's story. Old hippie, Well,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I remember one other thing when he was going to
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Africa with Bill Clinton. You remember that? Me? Yeah, old hippie. Well,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey wanted her to go. Me. Oh, really, old hippie.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: She said no. Me what she say? No for old hippie.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: She didn't want to get any shots. Me. Oh wow,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: really dodged the bullet there, old hippie. It wasn't important
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: to her, but he really wanted her to go because
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: he thought she was really intelligent. Blonde. Let me ask
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: you something. Do you think he killed himself? Old man?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: The old hippie and the blonde. Huh. Look, there's a
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: lot out there for you sleuths, right for you, you
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: investigators out there plenty of ties to tie together here, folks,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: the man from o Rgy. Months after Epstein's death, I
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: dialed up the last remaining listing in my book, a
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: random number in the UK. It was disconnected. The media
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: had mostly moved on from the case, and I was
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: left to sift through the hours of interviews I'd done
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: over the course of some two thousand phone calls. Yeah,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: the media might have moved on, but guess what not
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: us not people like Jen and Lisa over on their podcast,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: not people like ROBERTA. Glass. We certainly haven't moved on.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: One thing was abundantly clear. Epstein's Black Book does not
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: offer a portrait of a guy with many friends. Yeah,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: he doesn't. He didn't have friends. I've said this from
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: the beginning. You have to have empathy, and you have
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: to not be an absolute scumbag and to be capable
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: of love to have real friendships. Right. I love my friends.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: I would do anything for my real friends. I don't think,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein added in them the book is a product
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: of a systemic effort to collect human beings. A huge
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: number of the relatively normal, professional class people I spoke
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: to were shocked their number was in the book at all.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Either they said they had never met him or that
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: they had a single superficial interaction with him. It's as
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: if Epstein had tried to reverse the usual dynamics of
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: fame and power. He seemed to know more people than
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: knew him. If Epstein had a talent, it was for
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: knowing how much of his interest he needed to parcel
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: out in order for people, scientists, stand up comics, aspiring
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: models to feel flattered by his attention. Well, I think
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: in some cases that might be true, right, But really
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of these people it was about the money
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: and the prestige, not about flattery. There were plenty of
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: clues that Epstein was a poser. Ask around the finance
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: world and you'll be hard pressed to find anybody who
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: actually traded with the supposed billionaire investment broker. Asked the
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: scientists in his orbit, and they'll tell you, As Stuart
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Pavar told me that he didn't know shit from Shinola
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: about science. Stephen Pinker, trying to distance himself from Epstein,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: told New York Magazine, despite what various friends and colleagues
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: all said what a genius he was, I found him
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: tedious and distasteful, a kibitzer more than a serious intellectual. Yeah,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: you sure took his money, though, didn't you, Pinker? You
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: sure hung out with him, didn't you, the Pinker? And
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: then you went and deleted anyone I blocked anyone on
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Twitter who mentioned your name along with Jeffrey Epstein. Didn't you, Pinker?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Ask the art people in his life, and they'll tell
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: you about the fakes and forgeries. He was amused to
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: put one over on the world by having fake art.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Pavar told me he thought that he was seeing through
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: the fallacy, and yet Epstein's reputation for genius persists. Most
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: of what I heard Epstein's peers adduced to his brilliance
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: amounted to no more than half baked contrarianism. He wasn't
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: afraid to stir things up or boiler plate ted talk drivel.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey was a big fan of transhumanism. When I pressed
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: people to tell me about the guy, about what he
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: thought about the world, they rarely had an answer. Yeah,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: he was living a different life. Okay. What they saw
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: and what Jeffrey Epstein really was were two very different things.
• 1:12:25
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• 1:12:31
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• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: This man took his job serious, and he definitely played
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: the game. When I press people to tell me about
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: the guy about what he thought about the world, they
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: rarely had an answer. I was repeatedly told that he
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: never really got into what he thought about whatever particular
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: subject was being discussed, and that he had a knack
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: for making himself seem smarter and more interesting than he
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: really was. Well, you know, they always say, right, keep
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: your mouth shut, and nobody will tell you you're stupid
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: opening it up, and well, quite easy to find out.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: Every time I did manage to drill down into something concrete,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: some actual idea or thought of his, it was a
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: mixture of psychotic silicone valley drivel and freshman year bongwater
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: philosophy delivered to me with total reverence. You have to
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: write this in your story. This is something I learned
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: from Jeffrey. This was his line. Julie told me people
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: make mistakes because they don't think about what they can lose,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: only what they can gain. This is what I took
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: from him. Yeah, Jeffrey Epstein really was just a world
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: class advice giver. Huh, the kind of guy that you
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: really want to sit down with and get some life advice.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, just bring in chocolate sauce for the win. Here,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: we'll have chocolate sauce. Come in, We'll have Jeffrey Epstein
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: give us life advice, and everybody'll just have just a
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: fantastic time. After Epstein's arrest in twenty nineteen, a media
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: narrative coalesced around the question of his strange place in
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: the global elite. Epstein the master salesman, a man who
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: had skillfully conned his way into the world's most powerful circles,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: fooling everyone in the process. But after my travels through
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: the book, after hearing more of the petty gossip and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: childish drama of the people who rule our world, I
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: realized that was obviously incorrect. Built into the premise of
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: Epstein the mastermind scammer is the notion that some kind
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: of legitimate path to a legitimate global aristocracy exists. To
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: call Epstein a grifter is to assume he circumvented some
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: genuine metocratic world order where the real virtuosos dutifully climb
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: the real ranks into the oligarchs, powered by nothing but
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: their native talents. Yeah, that's not the case at all,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: these people. It's a world of nepotism, a world of
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: trade offs, and a world of selling one's soul and
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: selling who you are. These people end up in these
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: positions of power, elected or otherwise, and they are completely
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: and utterly turned into something that is not even recognizable
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: as a human. The truth is that the elite world
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: that Epstein ascended into, the one I tapped into by
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: way of the Black Book, is populated with hordes of
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: loathsome boring, untalented people living their bumbling, idiotic lives while
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: just so happening to wield some share of the preposterous
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: global bounty that he and the rest were after. That
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: is a perfect paragraph for these people so called polite
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: society being put on blast by the author. I like
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: it because guess what, these people are sick. They're very
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: sick folks, and they think they're better than us. But
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: they are not, And the time for them having us
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: under their thumb is slowly coming to an end. For
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: all the mysteries surrounding Epstein's fortune, its existence is hardly
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: more inscrutable than the wealth of any of his other
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: billionaire peers. He earned it the same way they all did,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: which is to say, precisely not at all. Yeah. Look,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: the money laundering factor swings right into this, right, it
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: goes right into the undercurrent of the major conversation we're having,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: and the fins and files play right into this. If
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: it wasn't for the way they manipulate those money markets,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: do you really think that these people would be able
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: to operate the way they were able to operate. This
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: wasn't some masterful hack into global aristocracy. It's what everyone does.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: It's what the whole thing is. There is no scam here.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: It's grifting grifters all the way down, and that is
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: the case, there's no doubt. But there's real life consequences
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: for those of us at the bottom here. While these
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: people are grifting and grifting and grifting from the other grifters,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: we're the ones that are really paying the price with
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: our fortune, our freedoms, and our futures. In a way,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: it's easy to understand the impulse of Epstein's network to
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: make him into something more than he was. The self
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: flattering idea that there was some ineffable substance to him,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: some bright light within that explains the ease with which
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: he accrued social and temporal power has a match in
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: much of the conspiracizing about the scandal and his death.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: The difference is the conspiracy theories actually seem plausible. I'm
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: the farthest thing from a conspiracy theorist. I'm always I
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: rely on Ockham's razor for most things in my life.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: But when it comes to this case, folks, I think
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: we've left conspiracy theory a long time ago, and we
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: are embroiled in the world's largest cover up. But maybe
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: this is simply a product of my own Epstein adult brain.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: It's impossible to tell. I've now spent more than a
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: year of falling down a series of rabbit holes plus
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: far thus farwithstanding permanent psychic damage. Look, I understand that completely.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: This is such a heavy topic, and this is a
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: detailed article, So I know that this journalist is not
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: talking out of his ass. This is somebody who spent
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: time on the case, somebody who has made these phone
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: calls and really dedicated a part of themselves to it.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: And I totally understand that we're over a year straight
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: here talking about this case every single day. How many
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: times do I tell you, I feel like I have
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: to take a bleach bath, so I totally understand what
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: this guy's talking about. I can report that the current
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: grand unified theory of Jeffrey Epstein goes like this. He
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: was indeed operating a child sex ring. Check. He was
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: videotaping members of the global elite engaged in sex acts
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: with underage girls on his private island. Check, and he
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: was using his footage to blackmail them, either for his
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: own personal enrichment or on behalf of any number of
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: intelligence agencies check check check. The Epstein as intelligence angle
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: posits either that he was conducting the sex trafficking at
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: the government's request, or that he was already doing the
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: trafficking when the governments took notice and starting using him
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: as an asset. I think it's a little bit of both. Okay,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of both. They knew
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: that he had proclivities and he was on their radar,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: but he wasn't engaged in a huge, monstrous operation like this.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Then well, once the once the intelligence really got involved
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: and the jerk off from the CIA showed up, well
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: it became what we seen. The theory neatly justifies both
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: his untraceable wealth and outlandish special treatment in the criminal
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: justice system, and there is some compelling evidence to go
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: along with it. When prosecutors rated his home in twenty
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: and nineteen, a safe was found containing multiple CDs with
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: the label young Name plus Name. Also found was a
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: fake Austrian passport containing his photograph and a spoof name
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: that listed his residence as Saudi Arabia. This safe also
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: contained forty eight loose diamonds and seventy thousand dollars in cash.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: In August twenty nineteen, citing a friend of Gilan Maxwell,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: Vanity Fair reported that Epstein and Maxwell had the Island
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: home completely wired for video and that they were videotaping
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: their guests as a form of blackmail. We've heard this
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: from a lot of the survivors, right, and not only
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: the survivors, We've heard it from it specialists like Steve Scully,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: both Virginia Roberts, and another Epstein accuser, Chante Davies, makes
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: similar allegations. When I mentioned the video surveillance to Julie,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: she said, oh, yeah, there's a security room with a
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: bunch of TVs. Jeffrey introduced me to the guy who
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: watched them the guy who watched them. Huh, that would
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: be an interesting conversation. I wonder who was in charge
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: of monitoring those TVs. But the most damning evidence of
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Epstein's conspiracy is the absurd plea deal offered by US
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: Attorney Alexander Acosta in two thousand and seven, after investigators
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: had identified dozens of underage girls who'd been sexually abused
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: by Epstein. Acosta granted federal immunity to any potential co
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: conspirators of Epstein's and absolutely unheard of provision, particularly in
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: the case of an alleged serial child molester. And let's
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: take a minute here to remember that it was not
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: just Acosta. Okay, Acosta is the guy who is catching
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: all of the flak here, But in reality, do you
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: think a decision was like this was just made by Acosta.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Of course it wasn't. It was signed off on by
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: Mukhesi and other people. So while Acosta should have never
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: been part of the Trump administration, should have been fired.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with all of that. We can't just lay
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: all the blame at his feet. He has bosses too,
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: and we know how this works. Also within the plea
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: deal was another unheard of provision stating this agreement will
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: not be made part of any public record, a cover
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: up that was found to be illegal until an appeals
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: court reversed it on a technicality. A technicality, right, you remember?
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: Why do you think I'm always so going so crazy
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: about technicalities. That's the only way these people get off.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: It's not because they're innocent ever, It's not because they
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: bring evidence to prove their innocence. It's because they use technicalities.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: That's how they get off. Calling this a sweetheart deal
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't even come close to capturing it. The FEDS never
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: introduced a fifty three page indictment they had prepared, and
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: even though nearly thirty victims were interviewed, Epstein only ended
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: up being charged only with the procurement of an underage
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: girl for prostitution. An underage girl cannot be a prostitute.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: That law is so ridiculous. The FEDS dropped their case,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: and Epstein ended up serving thirteen months in a private
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: wing of a Palm Beach County jail, where he was
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: chauffeur to and from a luxury office space for twelve
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: hours a day and allowed to receive female visitors. The
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: the worst part is that this cover up essentially worked
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: for over a decade. That is the most galling part
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: of it, right, The most enraging part of all of
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: this is how long it occurred. Alfredo Rodriguez, the butler
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: who attempted to sell the Black Book, served more jail
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: time than Epstein ever did for serially molesting underage girls.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: I said that last night. It's absurd. It is absolutely absurd.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: New York brought new charges against Epstein, arresting him in
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: an airport in July twenty nineteen. In an effort to
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: find out more about the infamous plea deal, I spoke
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: to several members of Epstein's two thousand and seven defense team,
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: including Alan Dershowitz, who told me the plea was put
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: in place to protect the women, which is very clearly
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: horrendous bullshit that makes no sense whatsoever. Look I could
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: have told you there, buddy, if you think you're gonna
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: get anything from Alan Dershowitz, that's more than just garbage.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: You're really asking for too much. The guy was and
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: is an an obvious scuzzball. Spencer Couvin, who represented some
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: of Epstein's survivors, flat out accused the DJ of attempting
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: to protect people like Elaine Maxwell with the co conspirator provision.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: My efforts and many and those of many other reporters
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: have to this day failed to uncover a single shred
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: of even a passable answer as to why Epstein was
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: offered a plea deal that was so good it was illegal.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: That's hitting a nutshell. All of you out there that
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: like to, you know, run mouths and shit on like
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: Twitter about how there's no evidence or where where do
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: you get that from, I honestly don't understand. There is
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: so much evidence here that this was so much larger
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: than what anyone ever thought. The fingerprints of intelligence are
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: everywhere on this. In twenty nineteen, journalist Vicky Ward reported
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: that Acosta, then in charge of Trump's labor department, had
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: told the president's transition team that he cut the deal
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: with Epstein's lawyers after he had been told to back off.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: According to Ward, he had explained himself to Trump's team
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: by saying, I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: to leave it alone. The rumors of Epstein the spook
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: are not new. In nineteen ninety two, in the first
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: ever public profile of Epstein, mail on Sunday reported that
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: little is known of mister Epstein. One outrageous story links
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: him to the CIA and Masad. The most intriguing rumor
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: is that he was a corporate spy hired by big
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: businesses to uncover money that had been embezzled. They have
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: them all over the place. You don't think that there
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: are CIA agents embedded in corporations. You don't think that
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: there are CIA agents at all of your favorite news outlets.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: There are. Just take a look for how many former
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: CIA agents ran for office in twenty sixteen. Folks are
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: everywhere unelected bureaucrats that literally have the power of life
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: and death over us. When I asked Gloria Allred, who
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: is now representing several of Epstein's survivors, about the inscrutable
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: plea deal, she told me there is no good answer.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: It doesn't exist, and that's why you can't find it.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: Sometimes not finding the answer is the answer. The dark
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: carnival that is Epstein's case ended with the mysterious death
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: while awaiting trial in the Metropolitan Correctional Facility in August
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: of last year. According to New York City Medical Examiner,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: Epstein hanged himself with his bed sheet, either on the
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: night of August ninth or early in the morning of
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: August tenth, which if true, would make his death the
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: first acknowledged suicide in fourteen years at the institution. How
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: many times have I brought that up as well? Sometimes
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: things are what they are. The cause of his death
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: and the circumstances around it are widely contested. Around round
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: half of Americans believe he was murdered. You can count
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: me in with that half, and you can count in
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: just about everybody listening to this program as well. It
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: doesn't add up. The facts that they brought to the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: table do not add up, folks. A medical examiner hired
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: by Epstein's brother ruled the death of homicide by strangulation,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: citing Epstein's broken hyoid bone, a small U shaped bone
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: just above the Adams apple that rarely fractures in instances
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: other than violent strangulation. The wounds on Epstein's neck, which
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: drew blood, were not under the mandibles, as is usual
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: with hanging victims, but instead around the middle of the neck,
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: which is consistent with strangulation, and there was no real
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: investigation into this. They didn't take pictures of the body
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: at the scene of the crime. They didn't take pictures
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: of the scene of the crime, the video went missing.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: They put him in there with Tartaglione as his cell mate.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: None of it makes sense. The wound was also thin
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: and wire like, much thinner than a bed sheet, and
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: photos of Epstein's cell show the bedsheet itself was not bloody.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: While this is certainly a curious set of circumstances, none
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: as a smoking gun in and of itself. But there
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: are more even stranger details around what Attorney General William
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: Barr described as a perfect storm of screw ups. Epstein
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: had been placed into a special housing unit after an
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: earlier suicide attempt, and was to have a cell mate
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: and wellness check every thirty minutes, two protocols that were
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: not followed on the night of his death. Well, I
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: don't think he should have had a cell mate, certainly
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: not Tartaglione, a guy that was in there for killing people.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: The two guards were charged with falling asleep at the
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: desk and later falsifying the necessary records. The three cameras
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: with views of his cell simultaneously malfunctioned, two had died,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: and one had produced footage that was deemed unusual, unusable.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: How in the hell can you explain that that's a
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: coincidence everything just died at once. Huh Okay, Yeah, I'm
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: gonna believe that almost everyone I spoke to expressed either
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: doubt or total disbelief that his death was a suicide.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: Only one person, Alan Dershowitz, believed outright that he had
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: killed himself. Yeah. Dershowitz doesn't want this to go on
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: any longer.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: The worst thing for Dirty Dirsh, mister I kept my
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: underpants on, is for this case to keep growing and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: for more information to come out, because we all know
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: that Dirty Dirsh himself is caught up to his disgusting,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: wrinkled years. A woman who didn't know Epstein well but
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: was close to members of his inner social circle told
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: me it smells to me. I'm not going to give
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: you any names, but there's definitely people closer to this
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: story that don't think he killed himself. Nobody does. Nobody
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: who was close to this story thinks he killed himself. Nobody,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: not Doug shown either. It was Epstein's explicable death that
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: ushered in a frenzy of conspiracy theories everywhere you looked
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: in Epstein's life were nauseating sets of compounding coincidences, and
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: it seemed that every bizarre detail on earth on Earth
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: led to ten or twenty more, that's for sure. I
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: mean how I can't tell you how many details of
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: this case I would unearth or come into contact with,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: and then it would lead to just even more questions.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: Every time we think we have an answer, it really
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: is just leading us to more questions. Building off Epstein's
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: enigmatic reputation and the reports then coming out about his
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: freakish scientific pursuits, some of the conspiracizing became fevered, grandiose,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: even occult dish, with Epstein depicting as a high ranking
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: official for some secret world order. Well, I don't believe
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: any of that nonsense at all. I think that he
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: was what he was. He was an important asset, right,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: but a mid level employee in the grand scheme of
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: things when it comes to intelligence. This urge to make
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: Epstein's power sophisticated and complex serves a similar purpose as
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: the elite's insistence on Epstein's extraordinary genius. Both are ways
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: of squaring the evident smallness of the man himself with
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: the vastness of the world he built and the seemingly
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: outsized influence he possessed. Both of them betray a collective
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: lack of imagination when it comes to just how ludicrously
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: rewarded dumbasses can be in this country, and not only
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: this country, all over the world, because let's face it, folks,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: have you looked at social media lately? It is full
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: of just complete and utter jackasses. And these are the
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: people that we're sharing air with on a regular basis.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: Epstein didn't have to be anything special to become a
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: key player in an evil conspiracy. He had to be rich,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: and he had to be useful to people richer and
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: more powerful than he was. The very real possibility is
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: that Epstein was both a rich dumbass and a key
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: player and an evil conspiracy, because his evil conspiracies require
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: nothing more. During one of our last conversations, Julie mentioned
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: in Throwaway Fashion a diary entry she had stumbled upon
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: about a book recommendation from Epstein summarizing for me. She
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: explained that she'd asks She'd asked Epstein why he had
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: so many girls around. I asked him why he was
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: like this, she recalled, and he said to me to
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: read some book. He told me. It influenced him to
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  Speaker 1: become wealthy. The book was The Man from Orgy O,
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  Speaker 1: Rgy and Obscure nineteen sixty five James Bond Ripoff, written
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  Speaker 1: by Theodore Mark Gottfried under the pen name of Ted Mark.
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  Speaker 1: It's about a con man who travels the world under
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  Speaker 1: the guise of being a sex researcher and ordered a
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  Speaker 1: spy for the US government. The novel begins with the protagonist,
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  Speaker 1: Steve Victor, and Damascus for the kickoff of an extensive
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  Speaker 1: survey of an Arab and Oriental sex practice. There, he
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  Speaker 1: is approached by a US diplomat and invited to the embassy.
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  Speaker 1: In short order, Victor is recruited to spy for the
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  Speaker 1: US government. That's look, I know, it sounds weird, but
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  Speaker 1: a lot of times that's how it happens. They're approached
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  Speaker 1: and then they become assets. The CIA works like this, folks.
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  Speaker 1: It is disgusting that the United States government pays for
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  Speaker 1: this sort of shit. This research program you're engaged on,
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  Speaker 1: mister Victor, gives you entry to places the United States
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  Speaker 1: government could never officially investigate. The key to a factor
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  Speaker 1: which might prove quite vital in our handling of international
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  Speaker 1: power politics lies in one of these places. The novel
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  Speaker 1: is an unbearable horror show. It's violent and grotesquely pornographic,
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  Speaker 1: containing toddler brothels and graphic details of children and infants
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  Speaker 1: being ceremonially raped and trained into sex slavery. Jesus Christ,
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  Speaker 1: so this is the kind of book this guy's telling
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  Speaker 1: you to read there? Huh? And when he recommended this
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  Speaker 1: book to you, that wasn't sign enough to get out
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  Speaker 1: of there and never be around this dude ever again.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, holy shit. The protagonist gets custody of such
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  Speaker 1: a slave from the US embassy his fake research organization
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  Speaker 1: ORGY stands for Organizations for the Rational Guidance of Youth.
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  Speaker 1: The girl tells him about being penetrated multiple times a
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  Speaker 1: day since age three, is training for a life of
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  Speaker 1: sex slavery, as well as the brutal beatings that were
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  Speaker 1: part of her training. She tells him that girls enjoy
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  Speaker 1: being raped. Victor Gawk's at and participates in the sexual mayhem,
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  Speaker 1: all the while using his cover as a sex researcher
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  Speaker 1: to spy on Syrian Shake's steal Soviet launch codes and
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  Speaker 1: eventually bring the downfall of Nikita Khrushchev. What do I
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  Speaker 1: always tell you, the means justify the ends to these people.
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  Speaker 1: And if you don't think that there are people like
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  Speaker 1: this victor from this book out there, you're wrong, folks.
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein was one of them. We saw it right
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  Speaker 1: here in front of our own eyes. It played out
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  Speaker 1: in front of our own eyes. Julie didn't know what
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  Speaker 1: the book was about, but you remember the conversation, well,
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  Speaker 1: it was one of the last things we talked about.
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  Speaker 1: He said to me, read this book and that will
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  Speaker 1: help you understand. Julie told me, I never read it,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think I ever will. Well, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that I will ever be reading it either, folks.
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  Speaker 1: So there you have it. The second part of our
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  Speaker 1: two part series of the phone calls with everybody in
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book. And I think that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these people who were in this Black Book, who
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  Speaker 1: had relationships with Jeffrey Epstein, are starting to understand that
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  Speaker 1: there are no rocks to hide under anymore, that it's
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  Speaker 1: time to come forward and talk about what you know.
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  Speaker 1: If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
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  Speaker 1: at Bobby Kapuchi at protonmel dot com. That's b O
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  Speaker 1: B B Y c ap u Cci at ProtonMail dot com.
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  Speaker 1: You can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Underscore
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  Speaker 1: c ap u c C. I all right, everybody, I
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  Speaker 1: will be back tomorrow morning and we will pick it
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  Speaker 1: back up. I hope you all have an incredible Sunday night.
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