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Anthony Rendon out long-term, BIG spring q's, Other injury updates · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Hey, did you know the batter's eyes off and everybody
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Speaker 1: feels crooked in the box and he's like, I can't
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Speaker 1: unseit it. I can't unseit.
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Speaker 2: Don't worry. Persinski's coming reportedly on his way from the airport,
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Speaker 2: but we're going to take over and cover as much
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Speaker 2: show as possible, so he misses as much as possible,
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Speaker 2: so we can make fun of him for that because
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Speaker 2: we know he would do the same to us.
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Speaker 1: What's up, how are you kid?
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Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. So when we do some spring
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Speaker 2: training storylines in a second for Charge the Mound, there's
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Speaker 2: one that is not included because we're going over some
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Speaker 2: of the teams. I want to do a league one
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Speaker 2: before we start. I am really the most excited in
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Speaker 2: spring training for this. Can you can you point out
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Speaker 2: what this is for a crowd that's gonna listen to
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Speaker 2: audio later, but they might not realize how fun it's
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Speaker 2: going to be when an ump is proved wrong.
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Speaker 1: Well, Scott, if you missed it on the video, if
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Speaker 1: you're listening on the pod, appreciate you. But Scott was
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Speaker 1: trying to do this. He was trying to touch the
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Speaker 1: top of his head, but there's a lot of gold
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Speaker 1: up there for him. He doesn't want to touch the moneymaker,
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Speaker 1: so he was touching the side of the head. So
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's going to get the replay,
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Speaker 1: but we definitely are gonna Yeah, he's now he's doing
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Speaker 1: a fake touch.
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Speaker 2: Do you think Bryce Barber will take his helmet off
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Speaker 2: and do like one of these where he just like
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Speaker 2: pats the sides.
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Speaker 1: He'll okay, he'll touch it. He'll touch it here. But
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Speaker 1: all that to say, yeah, of course, it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: exciting to see if there's actually a replay, if there's
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Speaker 1: actually like a review call, a questionable call that's used,
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Speaker 1: if there's any left by like the second inning, because
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Speaker 1: the starters are like, I'm using this, John, I'm not
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Speaker 1: saving it for number ninety three and ninety five in
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Speaker 1: the seventh, eighth to ninth inning of spring training games.
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Speaker 1: I'm super excited to see it. I'm excited for the
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Speaker 1: umpires too, honestly, because truly umpires want to get it right,
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Speaker 1: and this is the way that we truly get the
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Speaker 1: answers to the question was that a strike or is
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Speaker 1: the box on TV not really have it right?
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Speaker 2: Also, it will be the separation between goodfellas and cocky umpires.
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Speaker 2: There are a few out there who like to jab
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Speaker 2: back at players and act like they're ridiculous and they
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Speaker 2: don't understand the strike zone. We will now be able
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Speaker 2: to determine who is right and who is wrong. So
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Speaker 2: I agree with you. They want the call right, most
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Speaker 2: of them. There are a few that have a little
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Speaker 2: ego involved and want their call to be right. Do
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Speaker 2: you agree?
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Speaker 1: Oh, I totally agree. You see it with replay, and
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Speaker 1: I'm a big like body language person. You don't only
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Speaker 1: show it on TV, but there's a there's a replay.
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Speaker 1: There's a close play at first base, you know, umpire
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Speaker 1: bangs them, gets them at first and then like they're
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Speaker 1: looking in the dugout. They're looking in the dugout and
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Speaker 1: the managers like, the manager's like this. Sometimes the umpire
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Speaker 1: will give one of these like nope, nope, nope, I
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Speaker 1: know I got right, Like it's okay. Other umpire, the
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Speaker 1: ones that like you re really respect, they'll sit there
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Speaker 1: and they'll be like, all right, let's go check it out.
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Speaker 1: And then and then they were right and they just
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Speaker 1: go back and whatever if they were wrong, go back whatever,
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Speaker 1: you know, they don't. They don't ride the highs. Bones says,
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Speaker 1: oh man, you're always always trying to check my check
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Speaker 1: my calls. No, see, I told you, I told you.
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Speaker 1: I got that right. Like, it's okay, we just want
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Speaker 1: to get it right. Move on. Game's not about you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. The good ones are like, I just want this game.
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Speaker 2: Do you one hundred percent correct? And there's no complaints
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Speaker 2: like Pat Hope, Oh, never mind.
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Speaker 1: It's almost twenty twenty six. It's almost twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 2: Great, which is when he can reply reapply for being
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Speaker 2: an umpire. It's not going to happen. This not gonna happen.
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Speaker 2: It's a very very dumb situation. We covered it a lot.
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Speaker 2: Let's charge the day amound charge about the athletic put
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Speaker 2: out one pressing question for all thirty MLB teams heading
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Speaker 2: into spring training. The old staff got involved. It's a
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Speaker 2: fun one. We can't get to all of them, but
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Speaker 2: we can pick out a few of them. Kratz, do
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Speaker 2: you have any favorites? Do you want me to start?
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Speaker 2: I can give you some easy ones, like, for example, Detroit,
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Speaker 2: what does the future hold for hobby baias me, I
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Speaker 2: don't really care.
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Speaker 1: No, that's like that was I saw you highlighted that
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Speaker 1: one and I was like, Eh, for me, it's the Rangers.
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Speaker 1: It's the Rangers. Are they gonna bounce back? Is that
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Speaker 1: vaunted lineup gonna bounce back? Because now, all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: chalk is not just the Astros winning the division because
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Speaker 1: if that lineup bounces back, they still have to face
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Speaker 1: the Mariners unbelievable starting rotation. So to me, it's the Rangers.
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Speaker 1: Will that lineup bounce back? Are they going to keep
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Speaker 1: Bruce Bochie on his every other year World Series Championship train?
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Speaker 1: Is Jacob de Grom gonna be the unbelievable piece that
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Speaker 1: they signed him to be three years ago? Is Kumar
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Speaker 1: Rocker going to continue what he did at the end
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Speaker 1: of the year, making the adjustments when he came up
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Speaker 1: and then continue like stayed on a steady rise like
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Speaker 1: that upgrades? Their upgrades are starting rotation Maley? Is he
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Speaker 1: gonna Tyler Malley? Is he going to be the guy
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Speaker 1: that they wanted when they picked him up? Like, to me,
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Speaker 1: this team could go back to the twenty twenty three
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Speaker 1: season and just bludgeoning teams, but with those starting rotation pieces,
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Speaker 1: not bouncing back, but just being back like this could be.
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Speaker 1: This could be the Rangers year not only win the division,
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Speaker 1: but maybe win it by three or four games.
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Speaker 2: He is the host of Tiger Territory and covers the
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Speaker 2: Tigers for the Athletic But he chimed in on the
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Speaker 2: Texas Rangers and you're right, Krats. I mean he talked
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Speaker 2: about some players that could bounce back, including him a
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Speaker 2: Dolis Garcia Leodi Taveres. None of them were as good
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. Of course, there's some more catching
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Speaker 2: depth there which helps the cost. And last year they
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Speaker 2: went from a top three offense in twenty twenty three
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Speaker 2: to twenty second in the league in twenty twenty four
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Speaker 2: in terms of weight and runs created plus, which is
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Speaker 2: kind of like OPS plus, which does factory in your ballpark,
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Speaker 2: and the era and the whole deal which put them
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Speaker 2: as a bottom ten offense. And there were injuries early
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Speaker 2: Josh Young, Evan Carter right, it adds all up to
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Speaker 2: a seventy eight win season. This year Fangrafts projections eighty
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Speaker 2: five wins and Division champs Pakoda eighty nine wins. You
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Speaker 2: got another year of seasoning for Wyatt Langford. You added
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Speaker 2: Jake Berger and Jock Peterson. So just focusing on the
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Speaker 2: lineup alone, chances are they're going to be better. Right
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Speaker 2: if I gave you the over under of that weighted
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Speaker 2: runs created plus being in the top fifteen or in
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Speaker 2: the bottom fifteen, I'm going top fifteen offense from what
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Speaker 2: I see on paper.
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Speaker 1: Possibly a top ten. I'm going farther top ten. When
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Speaker 1: you think about what they did in twenty three, and
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Speaker 1: people would say, wow, you know that's almost two years ago. Now.
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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty three, they had Josh Young playing third base.
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Speaker 1: Last year Josh Smith stepped up. It was an all star.
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Speaker 1: They already we haven't even mentioned Corey Seeger Marcus Simeon.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned Jake Berger and Jock Peterson. They had troubles
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Speaker 1: with the fastballs last year. They couldn't hit the four
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Speaker 1: seam fastball. A Doley's Garcia. What year did he have
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Speaker 1: his huge year? Oh, he had a huge year and
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Speaker 1: then he got an extension, a little bit of a
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Speaker 1: down year. Now he's got another prove it year again.
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Speaker 1: These guys have the ability and they're not And I
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Speaker 1: don't like the age curve stuff, but it doesn't apply
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Speaker 1: to these guys. It doesn't apply to this entire lineup.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of anybody in this lineup that
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Speaker 1: is the wrong side of thirty right now, Like you're
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Speaker 1: talking about a power Pack lineup, I'm I'm easily giving
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Speaker 1: them a top ten lineup if I break it down,
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Speaker 1: and by the end of April, I'm sitting here going
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Speaker 1: this could be a top five lineup.
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Speaker 2: You're going to get, you know, the troll Nerd saying
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Speaker 2: Corey Seegers thirty, I s's on the wrong side of thirty, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure Jockey is on the other side the Yeah
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Speaker 2: he's thirty.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's not a piece.
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Speaker 2: I'm buying what you're selling. We're on the same page,
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Speaker 2: So let's move on. What else do we have here
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Speaker 2: for me? San Francisco Their storyline was kind of interesting
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Speaker 2: because it's a name that frankly, I think a lot
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Speaker 2: of people forgot about. They made a big signing last
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Speaker 2: offseason six years one hundred and thirteen million dollars for
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Speaker 2: a contact aficionado, Junghu Lee, twenty six years old. It
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Speaker 2: was a three forty hitter over seven seasons in the KBO.
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Speaker 2: Very different baseball out there. Not saying that that completely converts,
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Speaker 2: but we really didn't get to see much here. Dislocated
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Speaker 2: left shoulder thirty seven games. That was it for Lee.
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Speaker 2: So thoughts on how he could impact the Giants because
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Speaker 2: we went over a damis Borlander was added. I think
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Speaker 2: plenty of people think they should have added more, but
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Speaker 2: someone like Lee is barely being considered by most. I
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Speaker 2: think you don't know what to expect from him yet.
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Speaker 1: Don't you never know how somebody is going to come back.
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Speaker 1: But let's say it comes back and he's one hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: He's a guy. Is his value more because he has
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Speaker 1: a chance to be a three hundred hitter in the
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Speaker 1: big leagues like he was over in the KBO? Is
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Speaker 1: Is his value more because he's in San Francisco. Maybe
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Speaker 1: you know it's tough to hit Homer, so it's like, hey,
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Speaker 1: he's not even gonna try, don't worry about it. He's
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Speaker 1: gonna play elite defense in the outfield. That's great. But
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Speaker 1: to me, he's more of a complimentary star. He's not
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Speaker 1: that elite He's not that elite level player that you're
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Speaker 1: gonna give one hundred million dollars too. Like if he
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Speaker 1: is Luisa Rise, if he if he gives them an
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Speaker 1: opportunity in the five or six years, I forget what
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Speaker 1: the contract was. To hit three hundred every year, it's
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Speaker 1: great value, but at one hundred million dollars, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Like I have a hard time believing that his defense
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Speaker 1: is going to impact it that much. But again, I
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Speaker 1: think it's more because it's in San Francisco. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: have power, it's okay, and he's gonna roam that huge,
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Speaker 1: huge center field. It's gonna be huge. And they're pitching
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Speaker 1: staff is that their pitching staff keeps the ball in
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Speaker 1: the ballpark and you need to have defense. So he's
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Speaker 1: a great complimentary piece, not an elite star.
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Speaker 2: Last one I want to get to because we promised
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Speaker 2: it in our little thumbnail today too, Juan Soto on
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Speaker 2: the Mets, but also Juan Soto on the Mets. If
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, the Yankees and the Mets approach,
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Speaker 2: it's cool for Mets fans to actually get to Port
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Speaker 2: Saint Lucy see Soto. There there's deeper meaning for Mets
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Speaker 2: fans beyond the impact on the field. The Yankees have
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Speaker 2: dominated baseball in New York for a long time. Right,
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Speaker 2: There's many people that are in their twenties, thirties, forties
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Speaker 2: that remember growing up and just watching the Yankees be
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Speaker 2: an absolute powerhouse dynasty. They were so damn good that
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Speaker 2: they were better than this current run that we're witnessing
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Speaker 2: where everyone's complaining. I could only imagine the complaints that
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Speaker 2: we would have seen on social media in the nineties
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Speaker 2: into the early two thousands about the Yankees being so
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Speaker 2: unfair boo who but they couldn't keep a superstar at
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Speaker 2: a young age. That is a shocker in the city.
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Speaker 2: So that impact alone is interesting to me on the
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Speaker 2: Mets side and the Yankee side.
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Speaker 1: Your thoughts, I completely agree. I completely agree that this
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Speaker 1: is a as I've gotten roasted about my Mets comments,
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Speaker 1: this is a this is what Steve Cohen when he
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Speaker 1: bought the Mets. This is a type of impact player
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Speaker 1: he wanted to go get. I don't know how high
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Speaker 1: you would have gone. I don't know how high the
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Speaker 1: Yankees needed to go, and I think Steve Cohen probably
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Speaker 1: say yeah, you know, as far as on the field production,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll ever reached this as far
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Speaker 1: as sticking my flag in midfield of the Yankees football
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Speaker 1: stadium by signing Juan Soto, the player you just had,
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Speaker 1: the player that got you to the World Series that
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Speaker 1: you hadn't been to since two thousand and nine. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: i just stuck my flag in midfield. And I'm here
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Speaker 1: to stay as a Mets owner as making New York
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Speaker 1: a Mets City, and it was the move that he
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Speaker 1: had to make, and it's going to catapult them for
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Speaker 1: a long time. I don't think he's done either. I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying this year. I'm saying in the future he
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Speaker 1: wants to continue to be that organization and be that
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Speaker 1: guy that's gonna do what the Yankees really don't do
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Speaker 1: all the time anymore. They still had a really good offseason.
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Speaker 2: But they had a strong Yeah, he did so. Mets
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Speaker 2: did many other things. Sounds like they're continuing to look
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Speaker 2: into other things as they were in on the Kenley
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Speaker 2: Jansen sweepstakes. Hey what's up, Aja, what's up? We got
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Speaker 2: a question about John rock or Pat Mahomes fight, and
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't I don't have anything to say. Actually,
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Speaker 2: we were with Pat recently at a golf event and
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Speaker 2: he was nicest can be. So I'm going to take
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Speaker 2: his side without knowing much context because John Rocker's not
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Speaker 2: the nicest fella.
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Speaker 1: The hell happened? I mean, all I saw his video.
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Speaker 1: I need some of them to come out. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I saw Pat Mahomes. She tweeted out something about John
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Speaker 1: Rocker is not a very nice guy. I don't know
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Speaker 1: what it was or something like that, but I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, why are they Why are these two? Why
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Speaker 1: would these two have beef with each other? Unless Rocker
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Speaker 1: said something about my homes, which I don't think he did. Again,
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Speaker 1: I'm not following these guys on Twitter and all that,
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Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's good for every once in
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Speaker 1: a while you need this good beef, and we got
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Speaker 1: one going right now between baseball and football players, dads
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Speaker 1: and baseball players. I don't even know what's going on.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they had too many hurricanes in New Orleans, who knows?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you mean the cocktail version, yes, yeah, just.
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Speaker 1: To class of their famous sports cut.
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Speaker 2: World people letting everyone know.
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Speaker 1: Or something something like that, Patti o'schees or something. It's
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Speaker 1: called something like that.
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Speaker 2: Let's keep it simple. Tequila, all right. Grant McCauley threw
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Speaker 2: this out there for those interested in such things. Jerks
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Speaker 2: and profile is locker next to kunya with all these
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Speaker 2: on the other side of a kunya. You got anything
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Speaker 2: for us on locker placements? One of you because we
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Speaker 2: only have a minute. Anyone got something good?
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Speaker 1: Tito loves it. Tito. Frank Crouna loves it. Where Ken
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Speaker 1: is right now. He loves setting up the locker room
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Speaker 1: and spring training a certain way to me. Probably Profar
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Speaker 1: and Albi's have been buddies for a long time and
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Speaker 1: they were like, yeah, I want to be next to
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Speaker 1: each other. But normally they put like like a non
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Speaker 1: roster guy in between so that when they leave and
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Speaker 1: they can open locker and they get the free open lockers.
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Speaker 1: But everybody does it differently.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm big on that at holiday dinners, making sure
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Speaker 2: we place the family members in the right places. It's big.
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Speaker 2: I do some work there. I do I help the
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Speaker 2: niece and nephew. They just do scatter and they don't know,
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Speaker 2: you know, who would thrive next to an So I'm like, hey,
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Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna switch Auntie here, uncle there. And
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Speaker 2: they're like why. I'm like, I'll tell you when you're older.
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Speaker 2: Don't worry about it.
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Speaker 1: You'll learn sometimes soon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Wow, who wants to read this? We have volunteers.
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Speaker 1: You should, you should since you love the you love
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Speaker 1: that they hadn't signed up free agent, So go ahead, Scott.
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Speaker 2: I don't love that, source confirms Alden Gonzalez report. Craig
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Speaker 2: Missue was on the show yesterday. Cal Quantrell one year
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Speaker 2: contract with the Marlins. Can add that the deal is
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Speaker 2: for three point five million dollars major league contract given
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Speaker 2: out by the Marlins for their minor league operation. But
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Speaker 2: he's going to pitch in the majors, guaranteed three and
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Speaker 2: a half million dollars. Yes, poor Miami, baby, tiny Miami
18:04
Speaker 2: can't even find it on the map. I'm kidding. They
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Speaker 2: finally signed a guy because they need innings. We talked
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Speaker 2: about this in our team preview. Yeah, we were like,
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Speaker 2: they need innings. Last year they were like walking around Miami,
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Speaker 2: anyone know how to throw a baseball? They were really struggling.
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Speaker 2: I was struggling because I'm a nerd and I like
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Speaker 2: to feel like I know almost every player in Major
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Speaker 2: League Baseball, and I was struggling aj to know the
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Speaker 2: arms that the Marlins were throwing out there.
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Speaker 1: I dare you to name their starting lineup right now,
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Speaker 1: they're without looking at the list they're projected starting lineup,
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Speaker 1: because I bet you I can't name three guys on
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Speaker 1: their starting lineup.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I can name a few. I mean, first of all,
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Speaker 2: I really like Xavier Edwards, and we didn't talk about him.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's why enough.
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Speaker 1: What's the catcher Flora's right? Flores is the catcher?
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Speaker 2: Fortoporto or fortest. I can give you two easy ones
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Speaker 2: because I thought that it was good trade for them. Kyle,
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Kyle Stowers. And uh Connor Norby. I like,
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Speaker 2: I think Norby is going to be a big league player.
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Speaker 2: Is he going to be a star?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 2: Is he going to be a starter for the Marlins?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 2: So there's two more.
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Speaker 1: Sanchez, I mean, not Brian Hey Sanchez Sanchez. Yeah, I
19:23
Speaker 1: mean I had to look Claudia. Claudia just sent it
19:25
Speaker 1: to me.
19:26
Speaker 2: I mean, Jonah Brad was pretty good down the stretch
19:30
Speaker 2: for them. Otto Lopez is a defensive monster.
19:33
Speaker 1: He is go fish.
19:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, this lineup can picket a little bit. Derek Hill
19:42
Speaker 2: can picket in center fields. Otto Lopez is really good
19:45
Speaker 2: at second There. They're gonna guys, They're gonna lose some
19:50
Speaker 2: pretty good for nothing games.
19:55
Speaker 1: Great, at some point you got to score.
19:57
Speaker 2: To Scott, this is not my team. I lived there
20:02
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20:05
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20:09
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Speaker 2: choice for life. Here's one from Jorge Castillo, who covers
21:15
Speaker 2: New York baseball. He said the Mets showed interest in
21:17
Speaker 2: signing Kenley Jansen as a setup man, per sources. Kenley
21:21
Speaker 2: ended up signing a one year ten mil with the
21:23
Speaker 2: Angels to become their closer to me. Aj It says,
21:29
Speaker 2: do the Mets have more in them? Are they dancing
21:32
Speaker 2: around because there are other relievers on the market that
21:35
Speaker 2: could be effective. That's a good sign for metsman.
21:41
Speaker 1: You know what it tells me? Kelly Jensen wants to close.
21:44
Speaker 1: That's what it tells me, because who's going to be
21:45
Speaker 1: better this year? The Angels are the Mets. Tells me
21:48
Speaker 1: that Kenley Jensen wants to be the closer. That's remember
21:50
Speaker 1: we talked about this yesterday. Oh why would he go
21:52
Speaker 1: to the Angels? No? No, no, no, no, they have Ben Joyce.
21:54
Speaker 1: Guess what, He's going to be the closer in the Angels.
21:56
Speaker 1: That's what he wants to be. So that's why he
21:57
Speaker 1: went there because I mean, listen, we're not spid. We
22:00
Speaker 1: know the Mets are probably going to be better than
22:02
Speaker 1: the Angels this year. And that's not a knock on
22:05
Speaker 1: the Angels. That's just kind of the truth. So if
22:07
Speaker 1: he wanted to win, he would go to the Mets
22:09
Speaker 1: and say, Okay, I'll be the setup guy to Edwin Diaz.
22:12
Speaker 1: We have a chance to make a run at the
22:13
Speaker 1: World Series. Instead, he said, I want to go where
22:15
Speaker 1: I can close the choices the Angels.
22:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said that on our show last year that
22:21
Speaker 2: he wasn't into the ninth inning. I don't know how
22:23
Speaker 2: to deal with the Mix and Mets situation. Like no,
22:27
Speaker 2: basically saying that he wants the ninth or bust he's
22:31
Speaker 2: also a legacy guy. He's chasing saves records, right, I mean,
22:34
Speaker 2: he's not going to get to the top, and he's
22:36
Speaker 2: moving up the list, so the Angels will just earn
22:39
Speaker 2: them eat as long as it's good. He has earned it.
22:41
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I mean he's also won, so he
22:45
Speaker 2: also wants to be on the West Coast. It all
22:47
Speaker 2: adds up for me. I'm looking at the other side,
22:50
Speaker 2: David Robertson to the New York Mets again. Well, Kyle Finnegan,
22:56
Speaker 2: you know some free agent relievers that could be a
22:59
Speaker 2: fit to had more depth to the Mets bullpen.
23:04
Speaker 1: Everybody.
23:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, they excited me in different ways.
23:11
Speaker 1: Okay, if they'll pitch me the sixth and seventh inning,
23:15
Speaker 1: if you're on a if you're on a contender and
23:17
Speaker 1: those dudes will pitch the six or seventh, they excite
23:20
Speaker 1: me more than what most teams have in the sixth
23:22
Speaker 1: and seventh.
23:24
Speaker 2: David Robertson at this point in his career, is going
23:27
Speaker 2: to pitch wherever. So you've got dead nailed Nunez agent
23:32
Speaker 2: Edwin Diaz. I'm saying in a good way. David's on
23:36
Speaker 2: the call as his self representation, going what do you
23:40
Speaker 2: got for me? Because let me hold on. You want
23:42
Speaker 2: me to pitch the sixth and the seventh at least
23:45
Speaker 2: for now, because you've got three other high leverage guys.
23:48
Speaker 1: That you like.
23:48
Speaker 2: Hold On, let me ask my client. Yeah, he said,
23:51
Speaker 2: that's fine. That's cool. We haven't had this in a
23:57
Speaker 2: injury suck is back because we are starting, it's flowing in.
24:03
Speaker 1: No, it's not about Rendon, so I don't everyone get
24:05
Speaker 1: all excited.
24:06
Speaker 2: It is about Rendon.
24:08
Speaker 1: I know it's gotta be about Rendon.
24:11
Speaker 2: We're going to get to some other ones too. But
24:13
Speaker 2: Anthony Rendon is having hip surgery Peramangen. The GM said
24:18
Speaker 2: it is a long term thing, so it sounds like
24:22
Speaker 2: they're going to be missing him for a while. It
24:24
Speaker 2: starts to make the Mancotta signing make more sense, although
24:30
Speaker 2: they weren't counting on Anthony Rendon either way. Of course,
24:34
Speaker 2: there are going to be a lot of questions. AJ
24:36
Speaker 2: he's going to have hip surgery, what's been going on
24:40
Speaker 2: for the past four months? Does he want to play?
24:46
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not doing hip surgery because he doesn't
24:48
Speaker 2: want to play. Like, nobody goes, oh, you know what,
24:50
Speaker 2: I'm going to tear my hip apart and go under
24:53
Speaker 2: the knife.
24:54
Speaker 1: No, no, no, But but if he's sore, he might
24:57
Speaker 1: be looking listen. I don't know Anthony Rendome from I'm okay,
25:00
Speaker 1: but I must say this. People also do surgery sometimes
25:05
Speaker 1: so they don't hurt later in life. Maybe that's where
25:07
Speaker 1: he's at.
25:07
Speaker 2: Ah getting like the hip replacement ten years early.
25:12
Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, think about krats. I mean, do you know?
25:14
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say that about anybody, because
25:17
Speaker 1: I hope Anthony Rendon really does like baseball. But why
25:20
Speaker 1: didn't you do this months ago? Did he hurt his
25:22
Speaker 1: hip working out? Did he hurt his hip last year?
25:24
Speaker 1: Did he hurt his hip some other time? Why are
25:27
Speaker 1: we doing this right before spring training? So basically you
25:29
Speaker 1: missed the whole year. I don't know. That would be
25:32
Speaker 1: my question, that'd be like why why now? Like does
25:36
Speaker 1: something happen? Hopefully we'll find out more. But if we
25:40
Speaker 1: don't find out more, all will have to do is speculate,
25:43
Speaker 1: and we'll speculate based on previous interactions of him, you know,
25:49
Speaker 1: taking a little bit more time with fractures or contusions,
25:53
Speaker 1: or the medical staff saying it's one thing and not
25:55
Speaker 1: another thing.
25:58
Speaker 2: Can I ask you guys a question. I mean, I
26:00
Speaker 2: know there's you know, pride involved for owners, but when
26:05
Speaker 2: do we get to the point where you just make
26:07
Speaker 2: the phone call and you say, hey, we're good, We're done,
26:09
Speaker 2: don't show up anywhere anymore, We're good.
26:11
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that kind of hasn't happened already. I mean more,
26:14
Speaker 1: just two more years left, right too?
26:16
Speaker 2: Is it two more years year? I think yeah. I
26:20
Speaker 2: think he's got three total. I think.
26:24
Speaker 1: I think after this year, depending on how he bounces back,
26:28
Speaker 1: they're gonna I don't know if they have insurance on
26:30
Speaker 1: this contract either, that's the question. If they have insurance,
26:32
Speaker 1: they can go to him and say, hey, look, you
26:35
Speaker 1: just say you can't play anymore. We can get insurance
26:37
Speaker 1: for the next two years and call it even. You
26:40
Speaker 1: can go home, you don't have to play, you collect
26:41
Speaker 1: your money and see it kind of like you know,
26:44
Speaker 1: I think that's what kind of happened with Prince Fielder, right.
26:45
Speaker 1: Prince Fielder was banged up a different situation. He had
26:48
Speaker 1: the next problems. He couldn't play right. He wanted to play,
26:51
Speaker 1: but he couldn't. And the range is like, look, we
26:53
Speaker 1: got insurance on this thing. Let's uh, you know, sucks,
26:57
Speaker 1: but that's the way it works.
26:58
Speaker 2: Two years you were right, thirty eight million this year,
27:01
Speaker 2: thirty eight million next year, and then see ya means
27:06
Speaker 2: like slay this year.
27:08
Speaker 1: This is it?
27:09
Speaker 2: Right?
27:10
Speaker 1: Yeah? I would yeah, if there was three years, if
27:14
Speaker 1: it was two more after this one, I would have said, no,
27:17
Speaker 1: I don't see them walking away from two of them,
27:19
Speaker 1: but this is it. They'll walk away from the last one.
27:25
Speaker 2: This is a tough question for you, but is this
27:27
Speaker 2: the worst contract of all time? Because Steven Strasburg's pretty
27:32
Speaker 2: far up there, I'm saying pushing forward. Strasburg was awesome
27:35
Speaker 2: for the Gnats, but I'm talking about during the length
27:38
Speaker 2: of the contract. He barely pitched and the Nats couldn't
27:42
Speaker 2: get an insurance policy on him. They might have an
27:45
Speaker 2: insurance policy on Anthony Rendon's contract. Talking about the Angels.
27:52
Speaker 1: I would think Jeremy named a couple of Red Sox
27:55
Speaker 1: because he's a Red Sox fan. He said, Pablo and
27:57
Speaker 1: Carl Crawford. But I think that no, I think I
28:03
Speaker 1: think for me the stat that stands out as Ted Williams.
28:06
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys have seen it on Twitter, where
28:08
Speaker 1: Ted Williams played more games in the five years where
28:10
Speaker 1: he also fought in World War Two for I think
28:12
Speaker 1: three of those five years than Anthony Rendon has played
28:16
Speaker 1: in the five years he's been an Angel. That's that's
28:18
Speaker 1: a hell of a stat right there. So I mean,
28:22
Speaker 1: is this the worst contract of all time? I don't know, Chris.
28:25
Speaker 1: I think some people argue Chris Davis. Maybe Strasburg you
28:28
Speaker 1: can make an argument with. But Strasburg had just won
28:31
Speaker 1: the World Series. I know Rendon had two, but Strasburg
28:33
Speaker 1: had just won the World Series. So then that's kind
28:34
Speaker 1: of we're stuck there. I think because of what it's
28:40
Speaker 1: brought to the Angels, you have to put it in
28:42
Speaker 1: the top two or three for sure, because not only
28:44
Speaker 1: has he not played, but the headaches he's caused. I
28:46
Speaker 1: remember he punched a fan, he slapped a fan, and
28:49
Speaker 1: he physically, you know, touched a fan in Oakland. You
28:53
Speaker 1: know some of the interviews he's done and all the
28:56
Speaker 1: questions everybody in that organization has had to answer him,
28:59
Speaker 1: answer about him, and it's got to be in the
29:00
Speaker 1: top two or three, doesn't it. He just hasn't been
29:04
Speaker 1: on the field, whether whether he's been on or not, Like,
29:07
Speaker 1: I don't think he's number one. I really think Strausburg
29:11
Speaker 1: is number one because they knew this. They knew Strausburg
29:17
Speaker 1: was constantly you know, but he won the World Series
29:22
Speaker 1: and so they were like, you know, they they were
29:25
Speaker 1: drinking the kool aid and they said, hey, we're gonna
29:27
Speaker 1: go ahead and get this contract. The insurance company said, no,
29:31
Speaker 1: we're not even taking this on. They said, screw it,
29:34
Speaker 1: We're still doing it. Like everything was pointing to they
29:37
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna work out, and they did it. But with Rendon,
29:42
Speaker 1: there's very few people that were that this deeked by Rendon.
29:46
Speaker 1: So to me, Rendon's the second worst contract that I
29:50
Speaker 1: can think of, but the most surprising second worst con
29:55
Speaker 1: or the most surprising contract. I hope I wasn't surprised
29:59
Speaker 1: by Strasburger's.
30:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope they have some insurance. Can we show
30:02
Speaker 2: the other two tweets about the Angels. One of them
30:05
Speaker 2: actually is really good news from Sam Blum of The
30:08
Speaker 2: Athletic Their new spring training facilities are genuinely impressive. They'd
30:12
Speaker 2: been running a minor league operation in the last few
30:14
Speaker 2: years facility wise, now it is one of the nicest
30:16
Speaker 2: in the big leagues, the kind of stuff that translates
30:18
Speaker 2: in player development. Bravo. Seriously, we'd been calling this out
30:22
Speaker 2: for a while, so had he. It took a minute,
30:25
Speaker 2: but this stuff does matter, and in the grand time
30:30
Speaker 2: of things, it's not that expensive to do it. In
30:33
Speaker 2: baseball talk, right, if it's like, oh, I got to
30:35
Speaker 2: do a ten million dollar renovation, it's like, Okay, what
30:39
Speaker 2: is that in a player salary? Not that much? And
30:42
Speaker 2: how much can you improve with your player development if
30:44
Speaker 2: the right tools and resources are in place a lot?
30:47
Speaker 2: So it's good.
30:49
Speaker 1: The ROI on that is so huge, return on investment
30:53
Speaker 1: is so huge, and it was less than a minor
30:56
Speaker 1: league facility. You are hard pressed to go somewhere. Even
31:01
Speaker 1: Oakland's facility that they had for the big leaguers was
31:05
Speaker 1: not that bad. Nobody was living out of a tent,
31:08
Speaker 1: Nobody was lifting in a tent like the Angels were.
31:11
Speaker 1: That was That was like early two thousand's, late nineties
31:16
Speaker 1: when AJ was in the in the bushes. Nobody's doing that.
31:20
Speaker 1: That wasn't minor That wasn't even minor leagues. Don't don't
31:23
Speaker 1: put that on on on minor league places. They got
31:26
Speaker 1: nicer stuff. Than the Angels had in the big leagues.
31:30
Speaker 2: All Right, one more on the Angels and then we'll
31:33
Speaker 2: go to the other injuries. Here's someone on the men,
31:36
Speaker 2: Robert Stevenson thrown off the mound first time today. No
31:39
Speaker 2: concrete timetable for a return. He said he hopes to
31:41
Speaker 2: be back by early July or around the All Star break.
31:45
Speaker 2: Remember he was with the Reds for a while. Really
31:49
Speaker 2: finds it. With the Rays, we were concerned.
31:53
Speaker 1: This is a questionable signing. Remember when he went there,
31:56
Speaker 1: when he signed three thirty something? Was it three fifty something?
31:59
Speaker 2: I got it where you by the time you finish
32:01
Speaker 2: your point.
32:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, fifty five or something. Everyone was like, whoa, what's
32:04
Speaker 1: a big contract for a guy that had like a
32:06
Speaker 1: good half And then there was always some concern that
32:08
Speaker 1: he was going to blow out, and he blew out
32:10
Speaker 1: before he did much for him. So I mean, glad
32:13
Speaker 1: he's coming back. But man, he got a nice contract,
32:16
Speaker 1: and I'm always for players getting nice contracts.
32:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, he got three years, thirty three million dollars. Actually,
32:22
Speaker 2: you know, forget the Cincinnati part. He went from Pittsburgh
32:27
Speaker 2: to Tampa Bay and then took off. They had him
32:30
Speaker 2: tweak his slider. He had a slow slider, turned it
32:32
Speaker 2: into a hard slider, basically got cutter. Also used to
32:36
Speaker 2: split her more and then yeah, the elbow said ouch
32:42
Speaker 2: Tommy John surgery and hopefully he's back for the finish
32:47
Speaker 2: out the second contract.
32:49
Speaker 1: Oh, start throwing your slider harder and ripping it more.
32:52
Speaker 1: And then oh man, all of a sudden, aUI ow
32:54
Speaker 1: ol aUI no, no, just throw it hard a lot.
32:58
Speaker 1: It happened. Just spin it, spin it more, throw it harder.
33:03
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. Yeah, these arm injuries,
33:07
Speaker 2: how is it happening? I don't get it. Sorry, next up,
33:13
Speaker 2: fault yep, it is. It's always the baseball's fault and fans,
33:17
Speaker 2: it's all our fault. Alex Cobb is not going to
33:20
Speaker 2: be ready for opening day. AJ Hinch said he set
33:23
Speaker 2: back about a month, so they've got a rotation spot open.
33:28
Speaker 2: Actually heard Hinch recently chatting I think it might have
33:32
Speaker 2: been on Tiger Territory about how it's funny that they
33:36
Speaker 2: went from the chaos scenario last year schoolble and then
33:40
Speaker 2: who the heck knows who's pitching to what, in his
33:43
Speaker 2: mind was some pitching depth. So he said there was
33:46
Speaker 2: going to be a good competition in spring. This makes
33:48
Speaker 2: it a little bit easier. I do want to point
33:50
Speaker 2: out that we all consistently put Alex Cobb at the
33:54
Speaker 2: bottom of the fifteen million dollars a year pitcher rankings,
33:57
Speaker 2: so this hurts the cause even more. I put him
33:59
Speaker 2: down there in terms of what he would bring to
34:01
Speaker 2: the table, and then the injury factoring in here just
34:06
Speaker 2: felt more to me like a eight to nine million
34:11
Speaker 2: dollar contract, which still sounds wild to some, but it
34:15
Speaker 2: just didn't sound like he should be balling in the
34:18
Speaker 2: Charlie Morton justin Berlander world? Do you agree, AJ?
34:23
Speaker 1: Are we surprised by him being hurt? He's hurt every year.
34:26
Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time. I mean, it's been
34:28
Speaker 1: a long time since Alex Cobb has pitched a full
34:30
Speaker 1: season that I can remember. He's made twenty five to
34:33
Speaker 1: thirty starts. I don't I mean, I'm I don't have
34:36
Speaker 1: his numbers in front of me. I'm sure Crats probably
34:37
Speaker 1: hasn't pulled up, but I just this is not a surprise.
34:40
Speaker 1: I mean, he barely he pitched last year, remember for
34:43
Speaker 1: the Guardians at the end after he was traded over there.
34:46
Speaker 1: You know, he gives you glimpses, like three or four starts,
34:49
Speaker 1: so he pitches really well and then he's like, oh,
34:51
Speaker 1: I can get traded to a different team, and then
34:52
Speaker 1: he goes there and pitches three or four starts really well.
34:54
Speaker 1: But it's always it's just always something, and that's just
34:57
Speaker 1: the way some guys are. It's just always something with guys,
34:59
Speaker 1: and it's thanks for them. Yeah, he was twenty eight
35:02
Speaker 1: twenty eight starts in back to back years twenty two
35:05
Speaker 1: and twenty three when he was an All Star. But
35:07
Speaker 1: before that, so basically in his last in his last
35:12
Speaker 1: six seasons before that, it was twenty eighteen that he
35:15
Speaker 1: made twenty eight starts. So those two years he was
35:19
Speaker 1: All Star form. Let's put it this way. This guy,
35:22
Speaker 1: when he is on the field, he is productive. He
35:26
Speaker 1: knows when to make sure he is he is out there,
35:32
Speaker 1: he knows he's ready to go. So to me, he's
35:35
Speaker 1: gonna be one hundred percent when he's out there pitching
35:39
Speaker 1: through some things don't know. To me, I mean, lance
35:44
Speaker 1: Lynn should have already gotten a phone call as soon
35:45
Speaker 1: as Alice Kyle came in, right like, you need innings,
35:50
Speaker 1: you need innings, why not? Why not reach out to
35:53
Speaker 1: those guys Kyle Gibson, guys that would just thrive Ink America.
36:00
Speaker 2: Because Coby is going to come back, and they believe
36:03
Speaker 2: that they have enough of a rotation right now. They're
36:06
Speaker 2: not wrong, Schoobale Flawherty. Obviously at the top reees Olsen
36:09
Speaker 2: was very good last year. They still want to try
36:12
Speaker 2: myze out. Jackson job is going to be in the
36:14
Speaker 2: rotation this year, so it makes it easier for them
36:18
Speaker 2: to put together their opening day rotation now. Obviously, if
36:21
Speaker 2: things start to go haywire after this, yeah, that conversation
36:24
Speaker 2: can be had. But they feel like they're in a
36:26
Speaker 2: better spot than last year. I agree with you Kratz.
36:29
Speaker 2: I mean that could turn into three starters in five minutes.
36:31
Speaker 2: We see that with teams all the time. Let me
36:34
Speaker 2: get to two more. So we've got Spencer Horowitz going
36:40
Speaker 2: down a new first baseman for the Pirates. He had
36:43
Speaker 2: some pretty positive results with the Blue Jays involved in
36:47
Speaker 2: all the little wheeling and dealing where the Blue Jays
36:49
Speaker 2: end up getting Andre Semenez and it's a procedure on
36:54
Speaker 2: his right wrist last week to address chronic symptoms. Always
36:58
Speaker 2: the word you don't want to hear they're anticipating a
37:00
Speaker 2: full recovery in approximately six to eight weeks. Follow up
37:04
Speaker 2: your tweet from Jason Mackie. Post Gazette always super straightforward
37:09
Speaker 2: on what's going on with the Pirates. That didn't like
37:11
Speaker 2: the Pirates giving up that much starting pitching at the
37:13
Speaker 2: time to get Horwitz. Still don't now the guy A
37:16
Speaker 2: won't have spring training B apparently has a chronically bothersome wrist.
37:20
Speaker 2: Was this known at the time of the trade? Why
37:23
Speaker 2: give up so much then? So this is someone that
37:26
Speaker 2: they are heavily relying on. Luis Ortiz is now going
37:30
Speaker 2: to be part of the Cleveland pitching staff, and he's
37:33
Speaker 2: a pretty damn good pitcher. Pirates have been good at
37:36
Speaker 2: developing pitching, bad at developing hitting. AJ their lineup's not
37:40
Speaker 2: going to be good enough and we all know it.
37:43
Speaker 1: No, no, we've discussed this over and over again. By
37:46
Speaker 1: the way, Tom Graham, love you, love you, Tom, You're
37:48
Speaker 1: the man. So I don't know, I don't know if
37:52
Speaker 1: you ever had to go see him. He moved to
37:53
Speaker 1: Orlando for a little while and saw him, and he
37:55
Speaker 1: was in Cleveland at the Mayo. I broke my risk
37:58
Speaker 1: one time. He's a hand risk I one broke my
38:01
Speaker 1: wrist one time. The White Sox told me I was
38:02
Speaker 1: out for the year. I went saw him, he goes, no,
38:04
Speaker 1: you can play in a week. So I played with
38:05
Speaker 1: the broken wrist. But it's cool. Thanks Tom, love you
38:08
Speaker 1: so good to see him getting a shout out. If
38:10
Speaker 1: anyone knows what he's doing, it's Thomas Cram. Besides that, No,
38:13
Speaker 1: this sucks for the Pirates because they were counting on
38:15
Speaker 1: this guy when we just did our Pirates preview. What
38:16
Speaker 1: they say we're counting on, Horror was to be a
38:18
Speaker 1: bat for him. Now here, he is out in a
38:20
Speaker 1: chronic risk that ain't good for a young hitter. Guys
38:23
Speaker 1: have deal with wrist pain. It never goes away. I
38:25
Speaker 1: don't think now. I mean, six to eight weeks doesn't
38:27
Speaker 1: seem that bad. I want to know what he had
38:29
Speaker 1: done because six to eight weeks to me sounds like
38:31
Speaker 1: it sounds like a hammate, which I also had to
38:33
Speaker 1: remember to have a scar to prove it. But I
38:36
Speaker 1: don't know. Six to eight weeks for risk surgery, and
38:38
Speaker 1: if it's not a handmade that seems like a minor thing.
38:41
Speaker 1: But we'll see. Don't rush it though, Spencer, don't rush.
38:44
Speaker 2: It very important, all right. Last one Dodgers no having Phillips,
38:53
Speaker 2: no Michael Kopek to start the season. You know, we'd
38:56
Speaker 2: heard about Kopek a little bit. Phillips had a tear
38:59
Speaker 2: in the back of his rotator cuff that kept him
39:01
Speaker 2: sidelined from the World Series PRP injection November. Didn't pick
39:04
Speaker 2: up a baseball until January. Likelihood is he will not
39:07
Speaker 2: be ready to start the season on schedule. Dave Roberts
39:10
Speaker 2: said Phillips and Kopek both are a little behind scheduled.
39:12
Speaker 2: Too early to tell whether either would have to start
39:14
Speaker 2: the season on the aisle. So actually take back what
39:16
Speaker 2: I said nine seconds ago. Too early to tell, but
39:19
Speaker 2: chances definitely tilting towards them not starting the season on
39:23
Speaker 2: the roster. Good news. Dodgers have pitching depth, makes more sense.
39:26
Speaker 2: Why you bring in Tanner, Scott and even Kirby Yates.
39:29
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, one team can handle this. One team that
39:35
Speaker 1: can handle this is the Dodgers, right, I mean, the
39:38
Speaker 1: one team that can handle this. They have depth. They
39:40
Speaker 1: will go out and sign somebody if they need them.
39:43
Speaker 1: The Dodgers, I mean, Evan Phillips had it going good
39:46
Speaker 1: until he got hurt, but they have Trying and Scott Yates,
39:50
Speaker 1: and they'll find three others that nobody's ever heard of,
39:52
Speaker 1: probably to come in and do a great job. So
39:53
Speaker 1: the Dodgers will be fine. Plus they have twenty two
39:55
Speaker 1: starting pitchers, everyone keeps saying in the chat. So maybe
39:58
Speaker 1: they'll throw one, maybe they'll close, who knows.
40:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean one or two of those guys might
40:03
Speaker 2: be in the bullpen. Not Otani, but Dustin mayn to
40:08
Speaker 2: don Olin. Yeah, they've got options. Nobody is worried about them.
40:11
Speaker 2: We moved to other topics. Here's one that I think
40:14
Speaker 2: is pretty juicy. Katie Wu the athletic plus Cardinal territory.
40:18
Speaker 2: John Mazzelak running the front office for one more year
40:20
Speaker 2: with the Cardinals. On Arnatto trade attempts, We're still looking.
40:23
Speaker 2: Could something happen next week? Possibly, could this go into camp?
40:26
Speaker 2: Possibly a trade of what happens remains very much in
40:28
Speaker 2: the air. And then John Denton, who covers the Cardinals,
40:32
Speaker 2: also picked up a quote from Moe who said he's
40:34
Speaker 2: working with a list of five teams Arnado's being willing
40:37
Speaker 2: to go to, and that list has not grown since
40:39
Speaker 2: the end of the twenty fourth season. So to me,
40:41
Speaker 2: that includes no Houston, although Houston doesn't really have relevance anymore.
40:45
Speaker 2: But remember he turned down Houston. Mo said, quote, you know,
40:49
Speaker 2: it's needless to say it's been frustrating. I mean, at
40:53
Speaker 2: this point, Aja let him hopefully rake in the first
40:56
Speaker 2: half and then become a more attractive trade piece because
40:58
Speaker 2: he wants to go to Boston. Boston doesn't want to
41:00
Speaker 2: pay for him. They just want him for free, and
41:02
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen.
41:05
Speaker 1: Good Luck player has all the power. Good Luck he doesn't.
41:09
Speaker 1: They had a trade, they had him traded. He was
41:12
Speaker 1: going to Houston, and he said no, he wants to
41:15
Speaker 1: go to certain places. The five teams, I mean, we
41:17
Speaker 1: pretty much don't We have the five teams pretty much
41:19
Speaker 1: not down. But I mean I'm assuming Dodgers are one.
41:22
Speaker 1: I thought the Red Sox would be one. No, the
41:24
Speaker 1: Red Sox definitely one.
41:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're number one.
41:28
Speaker 1: Yankees possibly would be one. Maybe Anaheim. I don't know.
41:31
Speaker 1: I just Blue Jayson. But he's he's got the five
41:37
Speaker 1: that you know. Mozailak said, there's five teams he's working with.
41:40
Speaker 1: Let's know, I want I want to know who the
41:42
Speaker 1: five are. Let's see you can get a deal done,
41:43
Speaker 1: because let's not forget mosay Loack told his agent, whoever
41:47
Speaker 1: are not his agent, is hey make a trade. Find
41:49
Speaker 1: a team that wants you. It was Houston and then
41:52
Speaker 1: he said no. So I mean he said not yet.
41:56
Speaker 1: He's not yeah yet.
41:58
Speaker 2: Maybe next year, Yeah.
42:01
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe if they make some moves.
42:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did right after he said no, they did
42:08
Speaker 2: a lot. They moved on and they looked pretty good.
42:12
Speaker 2: They pivoted hard that. I'm curious because you know, I've
42:16
Speaker 2: talked to Nolan a few times trying to get him
42:18
Speaker 2: on the show. It sounds like he wants to wait
42:19
Speaker 2: until the trade, which we could be waiting for a minute.
42:22
Speaker 2: But I am curious to find out eventually why he
42:24
Speaker 2: said no to Houston. Cardinal Territory talks about this topic
42:29
Speaker 2: a lot. It is the topic at spring training, Katie
42:33
Speaker 2: Woo and Trevor Rosenthal bringing it every single week. Temptation
42:43
Speaker 2: bet MGM futures regular season strikeouts for Chris Sale won
42:48
Speaker 2: seventy nine and a half. Do you guys want to
42:52
Speaker 2: do you want me to tell you what the number
42:54
Speaker 2: was last year? Do you want to just go for it?
42:58
Speaker 1: Well? It was over too last year. I know that.
43:01
Speaker 2: So, yeah, who's they're saying he's gonna have forty hold
43:08
Speaker 2: on forty five ish less strikeouts.
43:11
Speaker 1: That's because they're they're thinking he's going to have a
43:13
Speaker 1: possibility of being injured this year. That's why the number
43:16
Speaker 1: is down. And I think he's still going to be
43:19
Speaker 1: around two hundred. I think Chris is motivated to have
43:20
Speaker 1: another good year and if he stays healthy, he'll get
43:22
Speaker 1: around two hundred again. So I'm taking the over just
43:24
Speaker 1: because I like Chris and I want him again.
43:26
Speaker 2: They need it, Yeah, they need to definitely read him.
43:30
Speaker 1: And he said he's having a healthy at the end
43:32
Speaker 1: of the season. Obviously he's back flared up, but he
43:35
Speaker 1: said it cleared up soon after the playoffs were over,
43:38
Speaker 1: after they're bounced, and he said the last time he
43:40
Speaker 1: had a healthy off season was at the end of
43:43
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Going into twenty four, he's had another
43:46
Speaker 1: healthy offseason. I'm taking the over.
43:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, same here, taking the over. It's a cool time
43:53
Speaker 2: period where if I told you a year ago we'd
43:56
Speaker 2: be talking about cy young Chris Sale and taking another
43:59
Speaker 2: two hundred straight season, you'd be like, huh, yep, it's great,
44:04
Speaker 2: and we just talked to him obviously at the Writers'
44:07
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44:11
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44:15
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44:17
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44:19
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44:21
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44:23
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44:33
Speaker 2: some signings. Michael A. Taylor Chicago White Sox deal done,
44:38
Speaker 2: Robert Murray reporting on it, and they've got themselves a
44:42
Speaker 2: little bit of outfield depth, always very good in the outfield,
44:46
Speaker 2: has always had the swing and misconcerns, guys. But he
44:49
Speaker 2: signs four one point nine to five million dollars and
44:53
Speaker 2: there's performance bonuses. He got four MILI from Pittsburgh last year.
44:57
Speaker 2: So it takes about a fifty percent pay cut. Bacill
45:00
Speaker 2: a major league contract. AJ, how much better are the
45:03
Speaker 2: White Sox? Now that's it that much?
45:13
Speaker 1: Well, you ask me how much better they are? I mean,
45:14
Speaker 1: does this move the needle for you Michaelay Taylor and mean,
45:17
Speaker 1: he plays a good defense. But they have Louise Robert
45:19
Speaker 1: and center. Right, they have Benettendy and left, and I
45:22
Speaker 1: don't know who's gonna play it right. But do you
45:25
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying? Like what this this is a
45:27
Speaker 1: this is one of those. Okay, he's a nice bench player.
45:29
Speaker 1: I guess he's gonna maybe platoon with Ben Attende. But
45:32
Speaker 1: do you platoon your highest played player of all time?
45:35
Speaker 1: I don't know until they trade somebody. They're not trading
45:39
Speaker 1: Bennettendy unless he starts on fire and the trade Luise Robert,
45:43
Speaker 1: Luise Robert. They better get something because he's coming off
45:47
Speaker 1: a bad year. I found the White Sox. I'm waiting though,
45:49
Speaker 1: because MIKEL. Taylor, this is the guy you trade. You're
45:51
Speaker 1: supposed to trade, and like what the pirates did, this
45:53
Speaker 1: is the guy you're supposed to trade at the trade deadline,
45:56
Speaker 1: and you're supposed to You don't want to trade Louise
45:58
Speaker 1: Robert Junior. Now he's coming off a bad year. To
46:00
Speaker 1: have him start off get didn't trade him offensively, it's
46:05
Speaker 1: just not it's not there. So maybe he can come
46:08
Speaker 1: in and defend a little bit late in games and
46:12
Speaker 1: play against them lefties. You don't want to overexpose him
46:15
Speaker 1: in the sense of giving him too many AaB's. You
46:18
Speaker 1: get a lot of strikeouts. I thought the year he
46:22
Speaker 1: had with the Twins in twenty three and he had
46:24
Speaker 1: twenty one pumps. Ops was finally over seven hundred for
46:29
Speaker 1: just a second time in his career. But his value
46:32
Speaker 1: was in center and they didn't overexpose him. I just
46:36
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like this. I don't know.
46:40
Speaker 1: I feel bad for him. They signed with the White
46:42
Speaker 1: Sox unless something happens with the Robert. If Luise Robert
46:45
Speaker 1: gets traded, then it'll be an opportunity for a real
46:50
Speaker 1: centerfielder to play there for him instead of trying to
46:52
Speaker 1: find a center fielder after they get rid of Roberts.
46:56
Speaker 2: He's getting paid two million dollars to plan a team
46:58
Speaker 2: with absolute zo Rod pressure and probably might go weeks
47:03
Speaker 2: at a time without a media member coming over to
47:06
Speaker 2: ask him a question. There are worse gigs. Just throwing
47:09
Speaker 2: that out there.
47:10
Speaker 1: It's a true league deal.
47:12
Speaker 2: It's a big league contract, and there are a lot
47:14
Speaker 2: of players that don't understand how they don't get big
47:17
Speaker 2: league offers. So I think he's appreciative of what he's got.
47:20
Speaker 2: On that note, the Minnesota Twins signed Ty France. It's
47:25
Speaker 2: a non guaranteed one million bucks, but if he makes
47:29
Speaker 2: the opening day roster that kicks in, which is in
47:32
Speaker 2: baseball terms, only a drop over the league minimum. The
47:35
Speaker 2: league minimums in the seven hundred thousands, but could do
47:38
Speaker 2: a little first base dach action. He's a guy who's
47:41
Speaker 2: always made contact with the baseball, you know, never been
47:44
Speaker 2: a huge power guy, but had enough pop aj for
47:47
Speaker 2: a three year stretch to be twenty five percent better
47:50
Speaker 2: than league average every single season. So and that included
47:53
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two All Star season. He hasn't been
47:56
Speaker 2: bad since, he's just been more average. And he's not
47:58
Speaker 2: a glove guy. He's not a platoon where he can
48:00
Speaker 2: come out and crush one side. So I think that's
48:03
Speaker 2: kind of helped him back, but he could probably still
48:05
Speaker 2: be an effective Player's I've got to look up the age.
48:08
Speaker 2: I think thirty one.
48:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, just got what the Twins have done. Now,
48:15
Speaker 1: the Twins aren't really signing the big fish. They're trying to,
48:17
Speaker 1: you know, play in the margins, right and siging guys
48:19
Speaker 1: that hopefully can bounce back. But he kind of fell
48:22
Speaker 1: off a cliff. I mean, he was he was, like
48:24
Speaker 1: you said, he was really good and then he just
48:26
Speaker 1: kind of I don't know what happened, but didn't end
48:29
Speaker 1: up great last year. I think can he help the Twins. Sure,
48:33
Speaker 1: if he's right and he's healthy and all that stuff,
48:35
Speaker 1: But I mean that's a lot of ifs, and he doesn't. Again,
48:37
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the Michael Taylor doesn't move the
48:39
Speaker 1: needle a lot for me if I'm a Twins fan.
48:42
Speaker 1: Maybe somebody told him about the Batters. He was hot
48:44
Speaker 1: in Seattle and then they were like, hey, did you
48:46
Speaker 1: know the batter's eyes off and everybody feels crooked in
48:49
Speaker 1: the box, and he's like, I can't unseit it. I
48:52
Speaker 1: can't unset.
48:56
Speaker 2: They're trying to build some depth in Minnesota. I mean,
48:59
Speaker 2: you know, I'm looking at their lineup. Willie Castro, Carlos Correa, Larnick,
49:03
Speaker 2: Buxton and Wallner in the outfield, Lewis at third, They've
49:07
Speaker 2: got Miranda at first, here on Fan Grafts, Brooksley at second,
49:10
Speaker 2: Ryan Jeffers catching with Basquez backing them up, and then
49:13
Speaker 2: a bench of France Edward Julian and Harrison Bader. Those
49:18
Speaker 2: are big league players.
49:20
Speaker 1: He's a big league first base He's a big league
49:23
Speaker 1: first baseman, and I think they didn't have a lot
49:25
Speaker 1: of depth there. I think they would love for Miranda
49:28
Speaker 1: to play first all year and have some of the
49:31
Speaker 1: hot stretches that he's had, because that would mean that
49:34
Speaker 1: royce Lewis is playing every day at third base. He
49:38
Speaker 1: played fifty nine of the last sixty games and it
49:41
Speaker 1: was the worst stretch of royce Lewis's career. So they're
49:44
Speaker 1: gonna have to work that in somewhere, and to add
49:47
Speaker 1: a big leaguer. Ty Franz is a big leaguer. He's
49:49
Speaker 1: an ex All Star not that long ago. It's a
49:54
Speaker 1: good move. It's not a oh, never mind, they're gonna
49:57
Speaker 1: win the division type of move. But that's fine. They're
50:00
Speaker 1: not playing in those waters right now.
50:02
Speaker 2: No. They had a really good year out of Carlos
50:04
Speaker 2: Santana in twenty twenty four. Gold Glove was smashing the
50:09
Speaker 2: crap out of left handed pitching. But he got expensive
50:12
Speaker 2: and they weren't going to play ball for him. So
50:14
Speaker 2: this is how they work on a replacement. This is
50:16
Speaker 2: what they have to do. I don't feel bad for
50:18
Speaker 2: the Twins anymore because they're about to get sold and
50:20
Speaker 2: they actually do have enough of a team together that
50:23
Speaker 2: if a cool billionaire takes over and adds a little
50:26
Speaker 2: bit more, they could do a lot of damage in
50:29
Speaker 2: that division. So if you're a Twins fan, keep your
50:31
Speaker 2: head up. Good news coming soon. Let's do this. We
50:50
Speaker 2: want to give love to our other shows and the
50:52
Speaker 2: content that they provide. So Astro's manager Joe Spotta was
50:55
Speaker 2: on Crush City Territory the other day. Let's get a
50:58
Speaker 2: little bite.
50:59
Speaker 4: Who's going to be that player that you pick? He's
51:01
Speaker 4: going to have like I could see, So who's like
51:05
Speaker 4: you pick to click? And for me?
51:08
Speaker 1: Is for me? Is? You know?
51:09
Speaker 3: I told the person Jeremy Penya because I think he's
51:13
Speaker 3: the next guy that I also see stepping up and
51:16
Speaker 3: being kind of the bucal leader in our club. You know,
51:18
Speaker 3: he's that guy that when we are doing our meetings
51:23
Speaker 3: and were walking around the clubhouse, he's he's he wants
51:27
Speaker 3: to be the guy, say, you know, but but he
51:30
Speaker 3: sees the breakman's and he sees the other guys has
51:33
Speaker 3: been there longer. But I think, if you know, not
51:38
Speaker 3: if Breakman does not return, I could see Jeremy being
51:40
Speaker 3: a little bit more of like, you know, hey, maybe
51:43
Speaker 3: we could we try to do this because he's done it,
51:46
Speaker 3: but I think you could probably see him kind of
51:50
Speaker 3: taking that next step forward in that littleship of a
51:52
Speaker 3: role in the clubhouse and be phenomenal because you know,
51:56
Speaker 3: that shortstop middling fielder usually are the ones who are
51:59
Speaker 3: have that that personality and a zene there. So I
52:03
Speaker 3: could see him being that dude this year where he's
52:07
Speaker 3: having a monster year on the field, and also we're
52:10
Speaker 3: talking about having conversations about you know, you know, conversation
52:15
Speaker 3: he's had with some of the players are standing up
52:17
Speaker 3: and having like a little team meeting, you know.
52:19
Speaker 4: So I could see Jeremy being being that guy.
52:24
Speaker 2: Definitely a leader. Jeremy Pania looking for more bat Chrush
52:28
Speaker 2: Citty Territory talks about these topics all the time. Josh
52:31
Speaker 2: Reddick part of the party with Tyler Stafford and Chandler
52:34
Speaker 2: Romer covers the team every day. A lot of great
52:38
Speaker 2: shows that obviously are giving us really good interview content,
52:41
Speaker 2: so we'll keep putting them in this show all season long.
52:45
Speaker 2: Jeremy Panna was exactly league average batt last year by
52:49
Speaker 2: ops plus. I know I used that a lot. It's
52:51
Speaker 2: just an easy way to explain things to everyone. But
52:52
Speaker 2: he was two sixty six, fifteen homers, seventy RBIs, twenty
52:55
Speaker 2: stolen bases, four win player, plays really nice defense. Do
52:59
Speaker 2: you think he could take another step? Aj or it's
53:02
Speaker 2: been too much time? You do you think he can
53:04
Speaker 2: do one more step?
53:05
Speaker 1: But they thought he was gonna do it after the
53:08
Speaker 1: year they won, they thought he was going to take
53:10
Speaker 1: the next step. I remember he had an unbelievable playoff
53:13
Speaker 1: run and they're like, oh, he's figured it out. And
53:15
Speaker 1: he hasn't taken the next step for a full year.
53:18
Speaker 1: He's made a couple of swing changes. I think he
53:19
Speaker 1: just needs to find someone stick with it. Listen, if
53:21
Speaker 1: you can't hit a slider, do you know what, don't
53:24
Speaker 1: swing at him. I know it's easier said than done,
53:26
Speaker 1: but wait for your fastball. I don't know. I mean
53:29
Speaker 1: that was kind of the knock on him. But you know,
53:31
Speaker 1: find something and just stick with one thing. It's like
53:33
Speaker 1: his bats, heer his bats. He's trying to do it.
53:35
Speaker 1: He's trying to do this, like, just find something that works.
53:37
Speaker 1: And it's gonna not work for a little while, but
53:40
Speaker 1: don't make it complete Draassic change, stick with one thing
53:42
Speaker 1: and play with a germy. You're too good. That's tough.
53:47
Speaker 1: Very few guys who changed that much have consistent success
53:50
Speaker 1: to have an MVP type of season.
53:53
Speaker 2: That's a good call. You do always look and you're like, Okay,
53:56
Speaker 2: it looks very different. It's not like where the show
54:00
Speaker 2: that have nothing to talk about will be like, look,
54:01
Speaker 2: it's Pinky changed here, like he actually makes significant changes,
54:06
Speaker 2: all right, A lot to do here. You can get
54:08
Speaker 2: Kratz hats ready because I also want to shout out Codfather,
54:12
Speaker 2: Ruben Tomorrow, Happy birthday, Jake Wiener, big FT fan, Happy birthday.
54:19
Speaker 2: We love you all of you, Logan o'happy and Jack
54:22
Speaker 2: Clarty on the show tomorrow on the guest list, and
54:25
Speaker 2: what do you have on your head?
54:26
Speaker 1: At the finish line, Craig miss did not send us
54:30
Speaker 1: to me. Appreciated new era. I mean it's a clean hat.
54:33
Speaker 1: I don't have a Marlins hat. A lot of cool details.
54:36
Speaker 1: Let's go spring training