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Who decides what your child sees? · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  So with that, let's begin today's conversation.
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  Today's conversation is with Brent Dusing, the CEO of TruePlay, a high quality, fun, biblically sound entertainment and gaming platform created to bring Christian content to audiences worldwide.
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  Brent, thank you so much for joining us here this morning at the Tenpenny Files.
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  It's a pleasure to meet you and hear about your games.
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  Thank you.
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  Great to be with you.
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  You know, you began your career as an entrepreneur and venture capitalist.
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  What led you into the gaming industry and specifically a niche of Christian games for children?
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  You know, there have been such a shift in terms of the way that people consume media.
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  You know, when I was a child, when I was probably eight or nine years old, we got a Nintendo in my house.
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  And it wasn't the first console to be in people's homes.
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  There was the Atari and the Commodore 64.
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  But the Nintendo Entertainment System was really a step function ahead of everything else that was out there.
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  The graphics, the power of storytelling, the different types of games that could be played, really revolutionized my entire generation.
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  And so I grew up playing games.
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  I grew up making board games that my friends would come over and play.
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  They actually enjoyed playing.
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  So it was something I was always into.
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  Uh started my career in uh, as you mentioned, Venture Capital, and then I I started my first company, which you you might have used if you've ever shopped at a grocery store, uh a Safeway or Kroger or one of their affiliates.
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  If you've ever seen a product that says uh use coupons on your cell phone or use your cell phone to save money at the grocery store, that was my first company.
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  We I created that uh with my co-founder and and team, uh built that business and we eventually sold it.
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  I then really felt called into um making games, which was you know fun, but also making games that conveyed God's truth.
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  You know, if you look around the world uh and you look at entertainment options for kids, the average child's on the screen 50 hours a week, but there's very, very few options that they have that contained God's truth.
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  And in fact, a lot of the options are very negative, very toxic, very dark.
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  You look at you know, a lot of sexual content, a lot of hyperviolent content, demonic content that's really become popularized, you know, demonic messaging, satanic imagery, satanic activity, all of those things are popularized now, and you don't see a lot of places that you can send a child that's actually fun and entertaining that contains a foundation of God's truth.
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  And so we felt there was a need, and that's why we built True Play.
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  You know, I listened to a um a uh uh I guess it was a hearing that um congressional hearing that there was a panel of people on the hearing that were talking about all the time that kids are now spending on their phones and how how much of a problem it was, and not just their phones, but laptops and iPads and all their different uh technologies.
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  And lawmakers from both parties say that the apps are deliberately engineered to addict kids, and big tech knows this.
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  How is true play fundamentally different in design and what responsibility do you think these platforms owe to children?
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  Well, a few things are different.
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  The first thing is that TruePlay contains no ads, no chat rooms, or no hidden purchases.
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  There's one purchase, which is a subscription because it's a true play is not one game, it's many, many games inside a platform with new content coming all the time.
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  So it's a living breathing service, just like you'd pay for Disney Plus or Netflix or uh Duolingo.
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  So secondly, the the main difference is that every piece of content that we make at True Play contains God's truth.
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  You know, everything your kids are gonna do or you're gonna do.
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  We have a lot of parents enjoy playing the games too, and watching the videos, we have digital comics.
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  Every piece of content is something that the child and the parent can take something away from with a biblical foundation.
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  Um, I think that pe we all bear responsibility.
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  If you make content, whether you know you're doing a podcast, we make video games, other people make movies.
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  If you're making content that people are going to see, then you're responsible for what that contains.
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  And I wish that people who were in the content creation space took that more seriously because anxiety, suicide, and depression rates are all-time highs for kids.
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  Why is that?
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  The rise of social media.
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  Uh girls, especially are most affected.
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  Secondly, the average male is exposed to pornography when he's 12 in this country.
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  Um, that's again a result of not just the people making that content, but but places like Google that allow that content to get easily into kids' hands.
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  Third.
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  Umly 31% of children believe in God, whereas 68% of adults in America believe in God.
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  So there's a lot of anti-God content, a lot of atheist content, light up, frankly, satanic content that's pushed and pushed and become more popularized.
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  Some of that is intentional.
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  Others of it goes by because people get inured to it.
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  You know, it's like why a fish doesn't think it lives in the water.
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  That's just this environment, right?
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  It's it's the it's what's become so normalized in our society and our culture, unfortunately, has really been so affected by content creators.
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  And that's the world we're living in, and that's why we built TruePlay because we wanted to give parents and families something that they could really enjoy and love, but it would also build their child's well-being, build up their psychological health, frankly, and and more importantly, most importantly, build up their soul.
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  You know that um that that uh congressional hearing that I listened to was really recent.
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  It was just January of 2026, so just a couple of months ago, and they were talking about the impact of screen time on kids.
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  And senators heard testimonies that some kids spend more than eight hours a day on social media.
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  I mean, that's their full day, it's like their full-time job, and that they've even adopted emotional attachments to their AI bots.
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  What do you feel about censorship of digital content and time and uh time allotment for kids on these screens?
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  Yeah, I I look, I think that first of all, you shouldn't allow kids on social media uh until they're um I mean, if you're a parent, I wouldn't allow them on social media until they're 18 because I think that it's actually more harmful than smoking.
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  I mean that.
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  If if you look at, I mean, if you remember back in the in the 80s and 90s when a lot of teenagers smoked, yeah, that was a problem, but it doesn't actually cause a lot of suicide.
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  Right?
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  If you look at um, it doesn't really cause a lot of depression.
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  If you look at um, there's a study that was done in England, which is of course a very similar society to us, the UK.
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  They track the amount of hours that if a girl used a girl that used four to five hours of social media a day, 40% of those girls were clinically depressed.
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  So again, I'm not I'm not advocating for smoking for teenagers, but what I am saying is that social media is much more harmful.
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  And you'd do best as a parent not to let your kid on it.
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  Now, the because we don't at our house.
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  And now what you hear is, yeah, yeah, but what will other people think?
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  Well, that's the same things that got told to parents you know, they're gonna feel left out.
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  Well, that's also true for going to a party where there's drugs.
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  That's also true for teenage sex.
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  It's also true for uh, you know, a lot of horrible music that gets played.
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  So so the the litmus test is not what will other people think.
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  In fact, I think that the second most powerful force in the world is peer pressure.
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  It's the reason that people make bad decisions, it's the reason people identify with a lot of these really now you know strange sexual.
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  Identification, sexual identity, you know, things.
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  Um, it's the reason they hold opinions that are often self-destructive, is because they feel like they want to fit into a tribe that everybody else is doing.
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  Well, here's the truth.
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  Here's the good news.
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  You belong to a tribe.
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  You're a child of God, right?
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  And so by in so doing, one, it's God that you're accountable to, not the opinions of other people.
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  And secondly, there actually are other people, there are other Christians and other, you know, followers of God who were trying to do their best.
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  None of us are perfect.
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  But that's a tribe that might be worth attaching to.
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  You know, you say on your website, it sort of sums up what we've been talking about already, but I think it's worth repeating, where you say on the true playgames.com, which is where people can go for this content.
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  True spell T-R-U play games.com says we don't make Christian games merely because we can or because we want to.
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  We make them because we need to.
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  How do we get more uplifting, more spiritual-based games into the hands of the millions?
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  I mean, if parents are skimming through and trying to decide what to purchase or what to uh get the app for and play a pay a monthly fee or whatever for, how do we get non-Christian believers to to buy into your app?
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  I I think to get to get non-Christians that the reason we made True Play the way it is is because we wanted it to be appealing to everybody.
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  Look, there's a lot of people who don't identify as Christians who want a safe place for the kids to play.
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  They don't want ads pushed on the kids, especially ads they can't be sure about.
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  They don't want hidden purchases.
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  And most of all, they don't want toxic, dark, you know, sexual content pushed on their children.
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  Very few people do, actually.
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  And so the ability to have a platform that you can trust that's safe, that's fun, that they're going to actually want to use, is the reason we've designed it as it is.
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  You know, in TruePlay, if you go to our website, you'll see there's a little bunny rabbit who wears a tiger costume and a skunk who wears a crocodile rocket suit.
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  And that's like, well, that's that's different.
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  What that's not in the Bible.
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  No, it's not in the Bible.
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  Um, but we built this fantasy world where these are children who live in this world where the Bible's true and God is real, but there's also real evil.
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  And the the characters wear animal costumes because it reflects some level of their personality that they're aspiring to.
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  For example, Maple, who's our star female character, she's a very strong believer in Jesus.
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  She uh is also very headstrong, doesn't really care about other people's opinions.
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  And in her world, little girl bunny rabbits, kind of like in our world, aren't very much respected.
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  But tigers are respected.
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  Tigers are fierce and strong.
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  So she wears a tiger costume to reflect the part of her personality that she is she believes she's to be taken seriously.
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  Now, part of Maple's issue is that she doesn't uh necessarily care about other people's opinions.
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  She's not always right, but never in doubt.
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  And her story uh is that she uh finds it, finds out there's a child in a forest who's been lost.
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  She, this is a dark force, it's called the forest of words.
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  You're not supposed to go in.
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  She decides to jump over a fence where she's blocked and rescues the child uh because she thinks it's the right thing to do.
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  And then uh her name is Oliver.
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  He's a bear, sorry, he's a fox wearing a bear costume.
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  He's adopted.
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  Oliver's adopted by a bear family.
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  His parents were biblical scholars, his fox parents, his um in his adopted bear family, he reads a lot of science books.
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  And his science books don't always talk about God.
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  So we can't really understand sometimes when you pray, who are we talking to?
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  And my science books don't always line up with uh my faith.
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  And so they he also is a little bit timid.
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  And so as they as Maple and Oliver journey into the forest of words, they find that the forest is getting darker and darker.
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  It's getting scarier.
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  And they realize it's because there's this evil queen who's confiscated all the Bibles in their society.
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  And so what the story is really about is what are the consequences of removing truth?
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  What are the consequences of the Bible leaving a society and what what are the you know, what happens uh because of that?
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  And so the children find this out and have to battle against it.
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  So it's very charming, it's fun, it's exciting, but also deals the characters themselves uh deal with very things children deal with bullying, parents being divorced, uh pride, adoption.
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  Uh one of our one of our characters, Lucas, the skunk in the crocodile rocket suit, he's autistic.
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  You know, a lot of children are autistic today.
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  In fact, about a third of my closest male friends are on the spectrum.
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  That's the society that we live in.
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  And so um the way that we deal with those things is from a biblical grounded positive worldview where identity is not some toxic agenda about sexuality or race that people are trying to push on you.
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  Identity is your identity, is you're a child of God.
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  That's what we believe.
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  And that's what I think a lot of parents believe too.
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  These are really complex and interesting storylines.
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  Where did you find your your story characters and and who's developing these storylines?
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  Because I'm assuming that that these characters will, as the company grows and as you create more games, will be a common thread that comes through a lot of them, but they can be standalone, but also be a common thread that goes through that.
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  I mean, these are really, really interesting characters.
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  Who's who's your character creators?
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  Uh, we have some great people on the team.
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  We have uh uh executive uh producer who's our creative director who has kind of overseen our creative process for uh for years.
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  We have a really genius story writer who came up with the Rimverse and the characters and their personalities and the animal costumes, and she's uh she's written creatively for decades and taught and so we have a really great team.
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  And I get involved a little bit in the creative process too, more from a uh oversight standpoint, but we we have a great team of people who are passionate about the word of God, who are passionate about seeing children's life change, who are possible who are passionate about telling great stories.
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  You know, something that I've realized that we've lost in the last few years with TikTok and even with YouTube with a lot of user-generated content, even with Netflix, which if you look at their business model is really to create a lot of B, a lot of B-level content rather than a medium amount of A-level content.
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  And so by that I mean we've often lost the ability to tell great stories.
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  You know, if you look at um, if you think of some secular examples, you know, I I grew up on Star Wars, the the original trilogy, which was I think the best storytelling of my lifetime.
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  Um, you know, the The Lord of the Rings was, of course, written in the 50s, but really they did a fantastic job with the films about you know 25 years ago.
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  The um, you know, the Avengers series was actually brilliant storytelling.
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  They they took a lot of, it's really interesting, you know, they took a lot of frankly B and C characters.
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  I mean, you know, Ant Man having his own movie was preposterous as an idea 20 years ago.
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  I mean, really.
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  Even Thor, I mean, Thor, Thor was a C-level character uh in the in the in the Marvel universe 20 years ago in the comic book universe, but you know, they they committed to telling stories that mattered about each of those characters, and then they had a longer store story arc that played out over time with Thanos and the Infinity Stones.
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  And so it was really brilliant storytelling.
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  And so you would go see a movie uh like, for example, Captain Marvel, even if you didn't really care about the character doll or really care for the things the actress was saying, because at least you wanted to see how it was going to play out in the meta storyline that you'd invested in.
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  And so that's the way we think about storytelling at True Play.
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  Is this also in written form?
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  Are there books or coloring books or graphic design or books that people can hold in their hand and see these stories, other than just playing uh in addition to playing with true games?
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  So we do have some digital comics inside the platform as well.
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  So you can play the games.
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  There's some video shorts, or there's more video content we're making shortly, but you can also read the digital comics as part as to follow along in the story.
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  Yeah, I think that that would be great, you know.
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  They'd make even great coloring books, you know, because your your graphics and design and everything on your games, because I I downloaded the games to play a couple of them so I could get a feel for what that was like.
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  Um, my brain doesn't really play like you know, Nintendo very well.
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  And so it's uh, but I did see, you know, how how this would really appeal to kids who are used to doing that.
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  And I could see that, you know, it was colorful and beautiful.
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  In fact, we've got a couple of minutes.
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  Can we do a little bit of a screen share here?
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  Yeah, let's do it.
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  So we can while you're doing that, there are downloadable coloring pages, uh, I believe on our website.
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  And there's also inside True Play, one of the games, it's called the Book of Imagination where you can actually fill in the colors that are missing.
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  So we do have some of that.
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  Uh, and hopefully that's something if you're listening that you and your your kid can enjoy doing together.
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  Let me see.
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  Keep talking here for a minute so that until I can find this.
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  Sure.
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  So uh the other set of games that we have are based on biblical stories.
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  So we have a game called King David's Battles, one of our most popular games.
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  You start out as David as a shepherd, and eventually you you know, you you fight different people and different uh animals, and eventually you go fight Goliath.
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  The David story is, of course, a retelling of the biblical account, but the theme is also a boy becomes a man.
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  You know, when you in our society, we don't do a good job anymore teaching boys to become men and the value of masculinity, the value of being a man and why that matters.
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  Another game we have is called stained glass.
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  In stained glass, you collect glass pieces, uh, you match them, they form a stained glass window, and the stained glass window comes to life, and uh a character tells you their story.
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  So we start with uh Eve in the Garden of Eden telling you her story from a first person viewpoint, and then we go on to Noah, Sarah's version of the Abraham events, and so forth, where you get uh Moses is next, where you get a very detailed account of uh the experience of those people from a first person viewpoint.
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  Okay.
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  So can you see my screen now?
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  Yes.
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  Okay.
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  So why don't you go ahead and walk us through that?
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  Sure.
• 20:08
  Um why don't you uh scroll down?
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  If you click on games.
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  Okay.
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  Uh-huh.
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  And scroll down.
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  Okay, so here's the first.
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  Yeah, let's just go one by one.
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  So Lucas, but so again on TruePlay, there's all types of different games for people to use and and play that are available right now.
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  So the Lucas game is a uh spaceship game.
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  So Lucas's story is uh his brother uh he lost his brother a year ago, and he hasn't uh really come to terms with the idea that his brother uh is gone, his mother's a Christian, Lucas actually isn't.
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  And so his mom goes, look, he's up there with God, and Lucas goes, Oh, great, I'll just get in a spaceship and go bring him back.
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  Well, that's not how it works, right?
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  But that's what that's what goes on in his mind.
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  Lucas is autistic.
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  Um, and he has a close friend Noah who's in the game who is a strong believer who's tries to big brother him.
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  So Lucas is a brilliant inventor, great with anything mechanical.
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  He's a skunk.
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  He built his own crocodile rocket suit that flies and shoots laser beams.
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  Uh Noah is more of an outdoors adventure kind of a guy.
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  He's a kangaroo, he wears a shark costume, he likes to uh paraglide, he likes to rock climb, he likes to skateboard and surf.
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  And so they go on this adventure as they're trying to collect uh items to fly out into space to try to find his lost brother, and they learn more about who God is as they go through the journey.
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  King David's Battles is next on your screen.
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  We we kind of talk through that.
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  The next game is called Chirp Song.
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  So Chirp Song uh goes on inside the Rimverse.
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  Chirp Song is really about the meaning of praise and worship and why it's valuable.
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  So as you it's a fun game, it's called a bubble shooter if you've played a bubble shooter before, uh, but you've got to kind of blast away these uh these different colors, and and as these birds are released, they sing these beautiful songs and melodies.
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  Uh my favorite game on the platform is Maple and the Force of Words, which I described a little bit.
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  Maple uh rescues this this boy who's lost in the forest at Oliver.
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  It's a puzzle game, it's a platform, it's an adventure.
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  Um, there's monsters, there's obstacles, there's things to overcome.
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  Uh, it's a lot of fun, and it's it's it's a great story and really one of our best games.
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  The book of imagination is the one that I mentioned where you can actually uh there's there's pages or or images taken out of the games where you can then go recolor them.
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  So we find a lot of kids, you know, they like to color, so it's it's kind of color by numbers and and your ability to kind of fill those in within a certain amount of time and and guesses.
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  Oliver uh and the Vindictive Vines is actually the prequel, the precursor to the maple game.
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  So this tells a story of Oliver going into the for going in the forest.
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  Uh he's a botanist, so he's really into studying plants.
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  And so he finds that uh there's some plants in the forest he wants to go after, and unfortunately, uh it's it's a he gets caught in these vines.
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  It's it's an endless runner.
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  So you get to, you know, run really fast and glide and slide and avoid obstacles.
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  Uh it's also one of our one of people's some of their favorite games.
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  Uh the next one is the Battle of Eldivar.
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  So this is near the the end of our first story arc where uh where Maple and Benjamin and Lucas and Ava are gathering together to battle Azilla.
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  So Azilla is the evil queen who's who's stealing the Bibles out of their society, who's confiscating uh the Bibles and really trying to gain power.
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  And they it's their banding together to battle Azilla and fight her uh for the sake of uh uh of restoring biblical truth and and and really, you know, God's order to their land.
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  How many games are there all together?
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  I mean, I'm scrolling down here.
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  There's quite a few different games of different things.
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  How many have you released so far?
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  Uh I believe there's about 12 on the platformer.
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  We have uh by the time this goes out, we'll have another one called True Play Trains that'll be out, which is uh a fun train battle game where some of your favorite characters from the Rimverse battle against each other.
• 24:18
  And people that are watching this, you can see there's a button up at the top that uh that says activate your free your free week so you can sign up, download the app.
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  You can do it for a week for those that are just listening and not watching it.
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  You when you go to the website, which is true play games, T-R-U, P-L-A-Y-G-A-M-E-S, True Block uh True Play Games.
• 24:40
  There's a big green button at the top.
• 24:42
  You can't really miss it that says activate your free week.
• 24:45
  So, and there's uh a place where it says more where you can buy merchandise, free content, news blog, and things like that.
• 24:52
  So there's a lot to be said on this.
• 24:55
  I'm gonna stop the screen share here for a second.
• 24:57
  So there's a lot to be said for this great game content and bringing, you know, uh really great things.
• 25:04
  Uh, you know, I don't know that much about other games.
• 25:07
  And uh, you know, you've said Brent, that um, you know, it's dark content, which I know that that's true, a lot of violence, a lot of sexual things.
• 25:16
  Do other games have storylines like what yours has?
• 25:20
  Oh, sure, a lot of them do.
• 25:21
  Um, you know, the the the Zelda games uh started to innovate that quite a bit in uh that Zelda games started in the 80s, and they've there's continued to be a progression of those uh that tell a story.
• 25:33
  There are um, you know, famously games like uh Uncharted that tell stories.
• 25:38
  A lot of games actually do tell stories today.
• 25:40
  Some are very mindless, you know, like Candy Crush, where there's you know no story at all.
• 25:44
  Uh and that's fine.
• 25:45
  That's that's what that game exists to do, is just to entertain.
• 25:48
  But yeah, there are quite a few games uh that have some form of narrative.
• 25:52
  Well, this is really, really great.
• 25:54
  I'm glad we got to walk through those for for those that are watching this that are watching it on the on the platforms.
• 25:59
  Um for those that are just listening, you missed a lot.
• 26:02
  So you need to go to the get to the website and look at it for yourself, which is true play games, T R U Play Games, True Playgames.com and take a look at all the great things that are there, and um, you can get a free week to just activate that.
• 26:17
  So this is a great place.
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• 34:48
  Let me tell you just a little bit more about our guest.
• 34:50
  Brent Dusing started his career as a bachelor's degree in economics from Harvard University.
• 34:56
  Brent pioneered game creation with Christian content through Light Side Games, a Christian gaming studio reaching more than 7 million game players worldwide and resulting in 25,000 decisions for Christ through partnering with the Billy Graham Evangelical Association.
• 35:14
  True Play's mission is to transform generations of children in such a profound way that it will shape culture.
• 35:21
  TruePlay is building a beautiful, fun, world-class entertainment platform which invites children into the world of hope and God's truth.
• 35:30
  Wow, what a great mission, Brent.
• 35:33
  It's just really um is there anybody else in your space?
• 35:36
  Is there anyone else that is a direct competitor with what you're trying to do?
• 35:40
  Not really.
• 35:41
  I mean, I really think about us as competing with Roblox, competing with YouTube, can be with TikTok in some sense, because what we're really competing for is a child's time and attention, right?
• 35:52
  The problem look, I mean, there are people making other Christian content, but that's not the problem.
• 35:59
  The problem is that there's a lot of dark, awful content pushed on kids.
• 36:03
  You know, like we talked about a few minutes ago.
• 36:05
  There's a lot of negative effects and consequences that children have because they're consuming content that's on TikTok, content that's inside Roblox, uh, a lot of dark demonic games, sexual, you know, games pushed on them at ages far too young, even some of the shows the kids are now getting on Netflix.
• 36:22
  So that's where that's where we're competing for that time because it's a time and attention of the child and really of the family.
• 36:29
  You know, you think that um, you know, you're creating something that's really a safe haven for kids, as we've been talking about during our time here this morning.
• 36:37
  Why do you think explicitly Christian content is treated with more suspect than things that should be highly suspected?
• 36:44
  What you know, why do you think that they that that is a uh is a real problem?
• 36:48
  Yeah, so what we've seen is we've seen that TikTok and Google won't even let us advertise.
• 36:55
  So if you're listening, the the reality of running a digital business is that you have to advertise on social media platforms that you know, unfortunately, you know, people don't really watch TV anymore.
• 37:05
  Radio ads don't really work for what we do because it's a very visual product.
• 37:09
  You have to advertise on social media platforms, and the three biggest platforms to advertise are TikTok, Google, and the meta platforms.
• 37:18
  Now we haven't had any issues with advertising on Meta, but we've had a lot of issues with TikTok and Google, so far so that they won't let us advertise at all.
• 37:26
  So uh they say Google says, well, our policy is you can't advertise your religious beliefs.
• 37:32
  However, they allow satanic content to advertise, no Satanism tries to qualify as a religion.
• 37:38
  They've had ads where there's pentagrams drawn in blood.
• 37:40
  They allow Diablo, which is literally a game about Satan to advertise, but they won't allow us to advertise.
• 37:46
  They allow Buddhist content to advertise, but they won't allow us to advertise.
• 37:50
  They allow transgender content for kids, which let's be honest, requires a big leap of faith, but they won't allow us to advertise.
• 37:56
  So clearly there is a darker agenda.
• 37:59
  TikTok, same situation.
• 38:01
  They won't let us advertise.
• 38:02
  In fact, TikTok won't even let us post on TikTok anymore.
• 38:06
  Because, yes, because uh they view what we do as literally they send us an email, dangerous and harmful.
• 38:12
  Meanwhile, again, they allow satanic sexual content to advertise for kids.
• 38:17
  So we really are living in this world that's upside down.
• 38:20
  You know, you may remember back in the 80s when there started to be the parental advisory explicit lyrics labels on the CDs.
• 38:26
  Here's what's fascinating.
• 38:28
  The person who drove that, a lot of that was Tipper Gore.
• 38:31
  She was the wife of the man who would eventually become the vice president, Democrat, by the way, right?
• 38:38
  And all the things that they were talking about and concerned about, and rightfully so.
• 38:42
  I respect her for doing that.
• 38:44
  Ultimately has now become so much more negative and so much more toxic and so much more dangerous, where it's it's the evil that's become normalized.
• 38:53
  The Satanism, the sexual content pushed on children has become normalized, and what's become dangerous is the word of God here in America, right?
• 39:01
  Google is an American company.
• 39:03
  TruePlay is an American company, and this is happening.
• 39:05
  So that you might be asking yourself, if you're listening, well, what are you doing about it?
• 39:09
  So we're working with the ACLJ, the American Center for Law and Justice, we're working with 1792.
• 39:14
  Um, we've had meetings with multiple senators and congressmen advocating for action.
• 39:19
  A couple things need to happen.
• 39:20
  First, these platforms can't be allowed to discriminate against Christians because it's not that they have a policy against religion.
• 39:26
  We have receipts to show their advertising Satanism and Buddhism.
• 39:30
  They explicitly discriminate against Christians, and there are other Christian groups who that's happened too as well.
• 39:35
  The second thing that has to happen is there has to be guidelines and rules written in, policy change to prevent AI from destroying the Christian worldview.
• 39:44
  Here's what I mean.
• 39:46
  The reason that TikTok and Google block us is not because somebody sits behind a desk and every time TruePlay launches an ad pushes the deny button.
• 39:54
  The reason that we can't advertise is because the very AI machine, the AI model.
• 40:00
  That Google and TikTok use to determine who's allowed to advertise and when reads Christianity as dangerous and harmful, right?
• 40:07
  You can program these machines to think anything they want, and they're all built with values.
• 40:11
  They read things, yes, they scrape the internet, but they also are programmed with moral guidance, with moral values.
• 40:18
  And so everybody knows, you know, there's all this talk AI is going to take away jobs.
• 40:22
  AI's, you know, AI gets to help me build a resume.
• 40:25
  AI gets to help a kid write a college paper.
• 40:27
  Well, yeah, but AI is going to start is already making decisions about who posts on social media.
• 40:32
  AI is already making decisions about what content is recommended you to be shown in TikTok, on YouTube, et cetera.
• 40:38
  AI will start to decide who gets to speak publicly.
• 40:41
  AI will start to decide who receives electronic funding.
• 40:45
  AI will start to decide who's considered a domestic threat.
• 40:50
  And if these machines read Christianity, which they do, we have the evidence as dangerous, then this is a serious concern that must be stopped now.
• 40:59
  Because today the good news is we have a presidential administration that's empathetic to the Christian worldview.
• 41:04
  They've done quite a few things to help and protect Christians.
• 41:08
  That's not necessarily true in a few years, right?
• 41:11
  We don't know who'll be in the White House.
• 41:13
  We what we do know is AI will become more powerful and more ubiquitous, right?
• 41:18
  It will be used in more places, it will have more autonomy.
• 41:21
  We have to now have have policy come in to prevent discrimination against Christians, but also to reinforce American values inside AI, so we don't become what communist China is.
• 41:36
  Let me say this a different way.
• 41:38
  The biggest national security issue of the 20th century was the nuclear bomb, right?
• 41:43
  Who controlled nuclear power and why?
• 41:45
  Those of you who remember old enough to remember the Cold War, the U.S.
• 41:48
  versus Russia, the nuclear, you know, nuclear deterrents and that whole conversation.
• 41:51
  And that was real.
• 41:54
  Now, the answer to that nuclear problem in the 20th century, in terms of America's response to Russia was not, let's let every American have a nuclear bomb in their house to defend themselves if they need to, right?
• 42:05
  We'd have committed suicide if we did that as a society, right?
• 42:08
  You can't give everybody a nuclear bomb.
• 42:11
  In the same way, the question of the 20th first century is who controls AI, who has AI dominance.
• 42:18
  Now, clearly we're in a race between the U.S.
• 42:20
  and China.
• 42:21
  That's it's very well understood.
• 42:23
  The thing is, though, if you make AI systems control more of America life, American life, and it has leftist atheist anti-Christian values, just like the Communist Party, then what you do is commit cultural suicide.
• 42:37
  What you do is you become the very thing you're trying to battle.
• 42:41
  What you do is you become what happened to Russia.
• 42:43
  This isn't well understood by a lot of Americans because we always think of Russia as this far away place and it was communist, and people view you know the whole Putin Ukraine thing.
• 42:52
  If you take a step back, you look at the history of Russia, it was founded as a Christian nation.
• 42:57
  The czars in that part of the world, the leaders at around a thousand AD, I may be off by a hundred years plus or minus, they actively chose religions and the czars of Russia chose Christianity as their state religion, and it was the state religion until 1917.
• 43:14
  The Tsar fell a few months later was replaced by the Bolsheviks.
• 43:18
  These were atheists, these were people who hated Christians, who hated Christians from the beginning.
• 43:24
  And they killed tens of millions of people, Christians.
• 43:28
  They destroyed 95% plus of the churches.
• 43:31
  They killed priests and pastors.
• 43:33
  That's what happened.
• 43:34
  This was just a hundred years ago.
• 43:35
  This all happened during my grandparents, your grandparents' lifetime, right?
• 43:39
  The Gulag archipelago, there's a man named Alexander Solcunitsyn, if you don't know him, look him up.
• 43:44
  He exposed everything that happened in the Soviet Union and all the persecution that Christians had had experienced.
• 43:52
  And he actually wrote that you know, it was one of the most devastating events that happened in world history.
• 43:57
  People don't realize Stalin killed more people than Hitler.
• 44:00
  And that doesn't really get talked about much.
• 44:03
  Um, but that's the actual reality is Stalin was actually a bigger villain because he killed more people and he went directly after Christians.
• 44:10
  When Solzhenica was asked, how was this allowed to happen?
• 44:12
  You know what his answer was?
• 44:15
  Because people forgot God.
• 44:18
  You know, he he he said that the line between good and evil is a thin line in every man's heart.
• 44:23
  And so I say this as a warning to Christians and and to spur you to take action.
• 44:28
  If you're concerned about what our society looks like, we are allowing people who hate Christianity, Google especially, to build AI machines that then make all these decisions for our society that then destroy the very American values that we believe in, the very faith that we have that we you know build us the foundation of our lives, we can't allow that to happen.
• 44:52
  You know, we've had um several, actually quite a few um authors on the show talking about AI and the problems with AI and the fact that I mean the way I visualize it in my head is uh is uh as being really not in that sector, but like they had a herd of wild horses pent up in the barn, and they just opened the door, and the wild horses are just running in with no guidelines, no rules, no fences, they're just running as fast as they can to get to be the winner, and nobody really has defined what winning is, but there's no guidelines, there's no guidelines on morality on issues with uh a constitution.
• 45:28
  Um there's no guidelines on what defines hum a human versus a bot and what happens when the bots start demanding rights, and when they are in the workplace, who do they report to, IT or HR?
• 45:41
  I mean, there's a lot of compelling questions that are out there that really have no defined answers.
• 45:47
  And I'm really glad to hear that you're working with the ACLJ.
• 45:51
  For the listener, that's the American Center for Law and Justice.
• 45:54
  Um, you know, Jay Sekulo and his team have always been fans of all the things that they've done, and they really do take on these these Christian-centered types of of arguments.
• 46:04
  And so for the people that don't know that are listening, um, to follow up with ACLJ, they really uh deserve your support for the Christians of all sorts of things that are happening in America that are downgrading our belief in in um in Christianity.
• 46:20
  And like uh somebody had told me, I think it's called deep think.
• 46:23
  It's the Chinese AI that you put on there now belongs to the belongs to communist China.
• 46:30
  It no longer belongs no longer belongs to you or anything in America, it belongs to them.
• 46:35
  And this whole issue of TikTok that you've brought up, I haven't followed that closely.
• 46:39
  What is the status on on buying TikTok versus banning it?
• 46:44
  Where are we with that?
• 46:45
  Yeah.
• 46:45
  So this the sale went through.
• 46:47
  TikTok, uh, the the owning the holding company um was forced to sell TikTok.
• 46:53
  It was bought by uh uh a few different entities, one of which is uh Oracle are the owners of Oracle, and then um some private equity funds.
• 47:03
  So there's been it's been hopeful.
• 47:06
  People have been ho have hoped that uh because of the ownership change, TikTok policy would change.
• 47:12
  We haven't seen that yet.
• 47:14
  What I hope doesn't happen is that they just perpetuate more of the same evil that forced a sale in the first place.
• 47:18
  I hope this doesn't just become an economic transaction and not a responsibility uh, you know, to people uh to to the people that it that are exposed to it, which is which again, TikTok is it's in many ways destroying society, whether it's uh the beliefs people have, sexual content, um, just short attention spans.
• 47:37
  You know, failure of people to be even able to read do in America where not enough people can read uh at even a uh sixth grade level, and then you have TikTok where you know people are even less and less inclined to read.
• 47:50
  Uh, I do want to go back to something that you said you talked about uh you've had quite a few people on talking about considerations with AI.
• 47:58
  The sad thing with humans is we've all been here before.
• 48:01
  You know, the the virtues of technology are very quickly extolled way before the consequences.
• 48:08
  For example, asbestos, it's a cheap way to provide insulation to a building.
• 48:12
  Yeah, yeah, but you forgot that it causes cancer.
• 48:15
  Hey, uh, you know, cars are wonderful.
• 48:19
  They help get people for you know quickly from place to place.
• 48:22
  That's true, but now we have seat belts and analog breaks and sensors and airbags.
• 48:29
  My great-grandmother died in uh a car wreck, actually, coming home from our grandfather's uh wedding.
• 48:35
  In probably, I'm guessing a car crash, it was probably 40 miles an hour, which today would be nothing to somebody, but back then she was in a Model T, right?
• 48:44
  So there was no there were no safety mechanisms.
• 48:46
  And so uh, you know, the the classic example, of course, that we've all lived is social media.
• 48:50
  You know, the problems of social media, everybody's gonna be more connected and free and open.
• 48:54
  No, social media has meant that a few number of people have had control and has in fact created anti-social behavior because people stay home, there's less dating happening, there's less friend interaction, there's less uh social cohesion, there's more fractionalization all because of social media.
• 49:12
  So we have to get in front of the consequences of these things quick and take action before it's too late.
• 49:18
  Yeah, that's that's mostly what everyone has said that's been on the show in one version or another of that.
• 49:24
  They've said, you know, it's we really have to make some definitions here.
• 49:28
  Um one of the people I had on the show, Booker's uh Booker Scott was talking about advocating for the 28th Amendment, or you know, the 28th Amendment of defining what is a human in that as a human with DNA and living breathing, that the Constitution only applies to those rights, not to an algorithm machines rights, and then it talks about slavery.
• 49:50
  And I mean, the the the conversation we we could go on and on and on because there's so much depth to it that really I think the common person has not, they don't have any idea.
• 50:00
  that it's going on and they don't even know what's being explored and being refused to look at by some of the power players inside of the AI inside of the AI world.
• 50:10
  So with that, do you think that the results of what's happening with in terms of Christian um censorship and all those things, do you think that's going to come?
• 50:19
  The resolution to that is going to come from Congress or is it going to come from lawsuits?
• 50:25
  That's a great question.
• 50:26
  Honestly, I hope it comes from uh Congress because let's put in legislation now.
• 50:32
  We have the ability to do that.
• 50:34
  Look, we're sitting on, like I said, the something that could really destroy us.
• 50:40
  And I think even the CEO, uh Dario Amiday of uh Anthropic has come out and said there's a 25% chance that AI destroys our society.
• 50:49
  Elon Musk started OpenAI because he was concerned that Google's founders and Google right now are the biggest culprits here, the biggest villains, that Google's AI had an anti-human human destructive path that it was going to take that they were okay with it Google.
• 51:06
  He left to found OpenAI, then found that Sam Alton was going down the same path and then started his own system, you know, his own model called Grok.
• 51:14
  So the point is even the very people who run these companies are saying this can have a destructive effect on society and yet we have failed to act so far.
• 51:26
  And we have to act in terms of legislation.
• 51:28
  Yes there will be lawsuits, but the problem with lawsuits is they take forever and people like Google have infinite money, right?
• 51:34
  So they they they stall and they they reverse litigate and they do all these types of just tricks that really is frankly highly corrupt uh to prevent people getting justice.
• 51:46
  So we really have to get this legislated fast.
• 51:49
  Yeah I agree with you.
• 51:50
  You know I was one of the um the named disinformation dozen during uh COVID and we've got a lawsuit against big tech that's been going on and they're just manipulating things all over the place.
• 52:01
  The lawsuit was filed in Florida they want to move it to California for obvious reasons.
• 52:07
  They're playing this around so it's it's really challenging about the censorship and things that are happening.
• 52:13
  What should parents in the last few minutes that we have together here at Brent I mean I feel like we have lots to talk about we could talk for uh another couple of hours but we've got limited time here today.
• 52:23
  So what should conservative parents conservatives and parents uh be doing right now to make sure that this is available and how do we get this into the hands of of Christian parents so a few things I would say if you're you're listening check out true play go to true playgames.com uh you saw our website uh if you're listening on radio you can go directly to our website you can also go to uh the app store or the Google Play Store at TruePlay T-R-U-P-L-A-Y uh download and try it out you can if you're a grandparent you can buy it for your children share it on social media we are still on uh Instagram Facebook and Twitter uh not not really on uh TikTok anymore for reasons I discussed we you can also uh get involved there's a lot of ways to support true play you can look at uh support at TruePlaygames.com on our website uh and also lastly share this message share uh what you've heard today and write to your congressman write to your senator tell them you want policy to protect the Christian worldview you don't want AI to turn us into some version of communist China or Soviet Russia you don't want to wind up living in some version of the Terminator scenario and I know that that's not even funny anymore.
• 53:34
  I mean even the guys who started these companies are saying that's there's a good likelihood that's the road we're heading down.
• 53:39
  So look as Christians we are called to act the reason that we don't have slavery in this country is because of the abolition movement that was started by a Christian named William Wilberforce the reason why we have a civil rights uh code is because of a Christian named Dr.
• 53:54
  Martin Luther King the reason why the majority of Americans go to church now is because of the work of a Christian named Billy Graham and a lot of people in the 1940s less than half of Americans go went to church and due to his work and a work of a lot of other people that changed God used all those people it was obviously God's plan and he was involved but the point is Christians have to act Christians have to do you can't just show up to church you can't just pray you got to show up to church and pray and take action and that's my message for you as a parent today.
• 54:22
  Yeah I think that's so important because you know we look at all of the problems that are going on all the things um that have been implemented by the CCP are that are already here and in woven into our into our government and I think a lot of people look around and they just get kind of discouraged because it's everywhere you look there's a problem.
• 54:42
  It's like if you were if you're a firefighter and you had a hose and there were 27 different fires which one do you put out and I think that you make a priority that has to the ones that you have to work at first are the ones that have to do with your faith and to stand really strong with that.
• 54:57
  Well Bret, I really really enjoyed this conversation with you and I'm looking at your website glancing at it a little bit while we were talking here you know there are free coloring pages there.
• 55:06
  We talked about that a little bit there's under the free content you can do that you can get free Christian videos watch biblical and Christian videos for children there's a ton of things that you can do here for free before you commit to uh getting the app and I think it's like $69 a year I think it was not even that expensive.
• 55:25
  Yeah yeah 13 13 bucks a month or 16 uh 6999 a year and uh like I said new new games new content all the time and hope you guys love it thank you.
• 55:35
  I think you really will I want to thank everybody who's joined us here today.
• 55:39
  Thank you so much Brett for your the generosity of your time.
• 55:42
  Thank you for your passion.
• 55:43
  We really, you know, we need passionate Christians out there and and I thank you for being uh a leader in this particular industry for being passionate about what you do and passionate about our kids.
• 55:53
  So I want to thank you so much for being here and want to thank everybody who's joined us here today or will watch us in the future at the 10 Penny Files and I would gonna close out with one of my favorite verses from the Bible I close all my podcasts with whether they are live or prerecorded which is Romans 1212 rejoice in hope be patient in trouble because trouble will come be patient with trouble and be persistent in prayer lean into God trust him for everything he will never let you down.
• 56:18
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• 56:46
  I want to thank everyone again so much for being here today.
• 56:49
  We'll see you tomorrow or the next time on the 10 Penny files.
• 56:52
  Goodbye and God bless