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Words with Kel Richards – 29th May · Words with Kel Richards

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  Speaker 1: It soundly and now on Night's Words with Cal Richards,
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  Speaker 1: who gently reminded me, of course I knew it, but
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  Speaker 1: I didn't actually say it. He is the late Sir
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  Speaker 1: Redmond Hillary. Now, but yeah, great man. I shouldn't clarified
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  Speaker 1: that it sort of didn't sound right, did it. But
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  Speaker 1: there's some funny stories about surre Redmond Hillary. Apparently, I've
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  Speaker 1: known some. I won't say anything because it might sound
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  Speaker 1: like some sort of commercial thing, but I put it
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  Speaker 1: this way. I know a couple of sponsors who've worked
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  Speaker 1: with certinmun Hillary and asked him to promote their products,
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  Speaker 1: and I've just heard these stories over the years, and
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  Speaker 1: they said he was the nicest, most humble person. They
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  Speaker 1: were shocked that such a famous man could be so
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  Speaker 1: humble to work with. Hello, kel By the way, speaking
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  Speaker 1: of humble legends.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Good evening. It's nice to be here, and
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  Speaker 2: I feel humble in every way. There was a show
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  Speaker 2: in which there was a so called lord. It's hard
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  Speaker 2: to be humble when you're perfect at every way. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's the show.
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  Speaker 1: It's just about to ask you the same question. Someone
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  Speaker 1: will know one three, one eight seven three or zero
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  Speaker 1: four six zero eight seven three A's everything I can
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  Speaker 1: hear it. My's hiring to be humble when you're perfect
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  Speaker 1: in every the song.
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  Speaker 2: That's the song.
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  Speaker 1: Oswords dot com dot you. Of course, if you want
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  Speaker 1: to dig more into this, Kel also has the daily newsletter.
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  Speaker 1: Osward's dot com dot au and don't forget anything, any
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  Speaker 1: language issues, any phrases, any comments. It can be origins
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  Speaker 1: as we already have a question about Kel, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: we'll also deal with the emails that we've had in
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  Speaker 1: the last week or so too, because quite often Kell
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  Speaker 1: has to do some serious investigative reporting on some of
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  Speaker 1: these things. And there's some beauties I can see on
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  Speaker 1: the list, so we'll make sure we get to those.
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  Speaker 1: But up front, Beverly wants to know and you know what,
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  Speaker 1: this reminds me of the great comedian from the United States,
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  Speaker 1: Paul Lynde, because she wants to know the origin of
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  Speaker 1: for Pete's.
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  Speaker 2: Sake, Okay, for Pete's sake, in that it's one of
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  Speaker 2: a group of phrases which are fairly similar. That form
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  Speaker 2: of it, for Pete's Sake is recorded from nineteen oh three.
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  Speaker 2: Few years later, was recorded as for the Love of
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  Speaker 2: Pete Yes, and a variational was for the Love of Mike,
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  Speaker 2: which is a little early from the eighteen nineties. The
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  Speaker 2: best guess we have is all of them are softened blasphemies,
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  Speaker 2: so all of them were for God's sake, for the
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  Speaker 2: love of God, that they were all substituting something for that.
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  Speaker 2: There's a wonderful story that circulated on the Internet claiming
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  Speaker 2: it was Michael Angelo appealing for money for painting the
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  Speaker 2: Sistine Chapel or something, and he was appealing for money
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  Speaker 2: from Sir Peter's or for subpeters. It's all rubbish. That's
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  Speaker 2: a lovely story, but it's all complete rubbish. It just
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  Speaker 2: became a soft blasphemy in the late eighteen hundreds, and
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  Speaker 2: that's where all the for Pete's sake, for the love
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  Speaker 2: of Pete, for the love of Might come from.
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  Speaker 1: You remember Paul Lynde and all. He was on different
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  Speaker 1: game shows, and he did a whole lot of voiceover
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  Speaker 1: work as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, for a beat's sake, I remember him working with
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  Speaker 2: Carol Burnett.
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  Speaker 1: I think, yes, yes, we had that show in Australia,
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  Speaker 1: didn't we care.
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  Speaker 2: Carol Berner popular very funny.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one of the great early female comedians, or
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  Speaker 1: comedy ends as they used to be called, with two.
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  Speaker 2: Ends and an e yes. Do they still do that?
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  Speaker 1: There's a word well or was that just a made
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  Speaker 1: up word to soon?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: No, it was a real word. But we are told
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  Speaker 2: not to use gender language. So there are no actresses anymore.
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  Speaker 2: There's only actors. And we wouldn't talk about an aviator.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very dated word. But if we did, you
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  Speaker 2: couldn't call a woman and Avia tricks, which she would
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  Speaker 2: have been called years ago. So those gendered words tend
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  Speaker 2: to be largely dying. I suspect.
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  Speaker 1: Good point, and that's a no brainer, I think given
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  Speaker 1: the current climate. No brainer is one that we had
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  Speaker 1: an email about kel So that's first on your list
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  Speaker 1: of emails, by the way, one three one eight seven
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  Speaker 1: three or zero four six zero eight seven three eight
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  Speaker 1: seven three on the text line, don't leave it to
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  Speaker 1: the last minute, please.
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  Speaker 2: I think the bloke who emailedus was Martin, I think
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  Speaker 2: was his name, and Martin was worried that it was
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  Speaker 2: really offensive. It was saying people, it's really insulting people
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  Speaker 2: who got very low IQs or disabled or something or
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  Speaker 2: rather or mentally struggling. He named as an example, I've
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  Speaker 2: got no idea why Joe Biden, and he said, it's
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  Speaker 2: just a very rude expression. It's actually not. It's American
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  Speaker 2: and Americans coined nineteen fifty nine somewhere around there. And
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  Speaker 2: it's the idea that something is obvious. It's not a
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  Speaker 2: comet about a person. It's a comment about an idea
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  Speaker 2: or a judgment. And it's an idea or a judgment
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  Speaker 2: which is obvious. It is so obvious you can just
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  Speaker 2: see it. You don't need to put your brain into gear.
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  Speaker 2: It is a no brainer. So Martin, don't worry. It's
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  Speaker 2: not an offensive expression. You can use it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I couldn't agree more. I've always thought of it
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  Speaker 1: that way too. It's about not using your brain, not
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  Speaker 1: suggesting you don't have one. That's right, Alan, I beg
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  Speaker 1: to differ, even though Harvey Corman and Tim Conway, I'm sure,
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  Speaker 1: said Alpha Pete's sake quite a lot. Paul Lind is
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  Speaker 1: synonymous with it. He says it's not, but he is
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  Speaker 1: vampi campy. Paul Lind asks why do bikis wear black
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  Speaker 1: leather because chaffon crumples so badly, says David, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I can just imagine him saying that, let's go back
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  Speaker 1: to the list one three one eight seven three if
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  Speaker 1: you have a call, if you want to get on
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  Speaker 1: the text line at zero four six zero eight seven
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  Speaker 1: three eight seven three, Done and dusted. This is one
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  Speaker 1: of our email conundrums.
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  Speaker 2: This is an interesting one. It's only recorded in nineteen thirty,
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  Speaker 2: although my guess would be it comes from earlier in
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  Speaker 2: the twentieth century, just in the in print until nineteen thirty.
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  Speaker 2: And there are a bunch of theories, none of them
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  Speaker 2: very persuasive. The one that I think is the most
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  Speaker 2: likely source is there was a time when sawdust was
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  Speaker 2: sprinkled on the floor of some places to catch spills
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  Speaker 2: and drips and so on, and then swept up at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day and a new lot put out.
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  Speaker 2: This is my guess that the junior, the apprentice, the person.
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  Speaker 2: Pubs did that, and butcher shops did that. If you
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  Speaker 2: remember the sawdust in pubs and butcher shops, which the
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  Speaker 2: younger generation would be amazed to think you'd walk into
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  Speaker 2: a pub of this sawdust on the floor or a
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  Speaker 2: butcher shop. Anyway, it did happen pardonly it really did.
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  Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day the blaker
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  Speaker 2: had to do it. The assistant of the apprentice would
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  Speaker 2: clean the place up, then sprinkle the sawdust for the
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  Speaker 2: next day he was done and dusted, right, That's where
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  Speaker 2: I think it comes from, the sawdust on the floor.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense. Now Alan's explained himself here. He meant
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  Speaker 1: to say Harvey Korman and Tim Conway were on the
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  Speaker 1: Carol Burnett's show, not Paul ind I just did a
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  Speaker 1: quick google. Alan paul In definitely was on a number
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  Speaker 1: of Carol Burnet episodes. But I'll bow to your better
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  Speaker 1: judgment than he may not have been a regular, We'll
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  Speaker 1: put it that way. So I think we might have
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  Speaker 1: come to an agreement on that. Well, better go to
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  Speaker 1: a break. We'll do that. We've got a couple of
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  Speaker 1: calls waiting, thank you, hanging there please. We've got more
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  Speaker 1: stuff on the text line as well, pouring in. It's
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  Speaker 1: eighteen past ten, twenty one past ten words with Kel
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  Speaker 1: Richards and the calls of banking up and some of
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  Speaker 1: the text messages. Let's get into it. Pam, good evening to.
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  Speaker 3: You, good evening, Bill and kill I was doing a puzzle,
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  Speaker 3: and one of the answers was do daddy. I've just
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  Speaker 3: looked it up. Can you please explain. I don't even
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  Speaker 3: know the.
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  Speaker 2: Meaning of it, do daddy. Oh well, let me tell
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  Speaker 2: you something. The Oxford English Dictionary has never heard of it.
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  Speaker 1: You sure you don't mean do dad? Like you know
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  Speaker 1: little do dad? Over there? That's an expression of here.
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  Speaker 3: It was actually D double o da double D.
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  Speaker 2: Why when D double o.
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  Speaker 3: D A double D? Why?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Okay? Now the Oxford still hasn't heard of it. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: If the ox It hasn't heard of it, then either
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  Speaker 2: A it's not a word, or B it's not an
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  Speaker 2: important word.
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  Speaker 1: What about do dad?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. If do dad isn't there, we can
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  Speaker 2: find out.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard the expression do dad as referring to some
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  Speaker 1: kind of little thing, A little do dad. Yeah, what's
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  Speaker 1: that do dad? Hanging around your neck? That type of thing? Yeah, Pam,
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  Speaker 1: you've heard do dad?
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  Speaker 2: Surely yes, the Oxford, the Oxford knows do dad from
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  Speaker 2: nineteen twenty A thing of me? I think that's their definition.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, isn't that funny? It's an under think
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  Speaker 1: of me. It's got do dad is Yeah, Pam, I
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  Speaker 1: hope that helps.
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  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't because we didn't find an answer, so
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't help, Pam. But take it for calling.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: We're all in blissful ignorance about do daddies. You could
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  Speaker 1: take that anywhere, really, couldn't you. Gary's on the line, Hello, Gary, Ohio.
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  Speaker 5: Bill and kill I'm love you show.
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  Speaker 4: I look forward to it every week. I'm sure he
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  Speaker 4: can probably help me. The origin of the word.
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  Speaker 2: Bonza, Oh okay, it's Australian. It was coined in the
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  Speaker 2: eighteen eighties and it's the best guess is Australians cooked
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  Speaker 2: it up in the bush out of a couple of
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  Speaker 2: foreign words. One is the French word bond, which means
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  Speaker 2: good bo n, and the other is the Spanish word bonanza,
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  Speaker 2: which means a good find, a good discovery. And the
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  Speaker 2: assumption is that there were several ways of saying it
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  Speaker 2: and spelling it in the early days Bonster, Bonster. These
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  Speaker 2: are recorded very early in the piece. If you look
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  Speaker 2: at the old bulletin magazine you'll find these odd sort
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  Speaker 2: of spellings. Then it's settled down to being bonza, and
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  Speaker 2: was pronounced and written as bonza, but it was simply
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  Speaker 2: concocted out of Australian verbal inventiveness using bits of two
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  Speaker 2: foreign languages.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you very much, logic answer yes, thank you, bonds.
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  Speaker 1: A call gaz, thank you for that.
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  Speaker 2: There is a board game called do Daddy.
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  Speaker 3: Ah.
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  Speaker 1: That's probably where I just.
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  Speaker 2: Asked, mister Google the dice game.
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  Speaker 1: She did refer to a board game. I think when
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  Speaker 1: she first asked about it. It's just a made up
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  Speaker 1: just a mate copyright. Yeah, someone would own it. Tim
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  Speaker 1: is on the line with a really tricky one. I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of journalists come to grips with this
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  Speaker 1: on daily basis. Hello, Tim, that's probably.
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  Speaker 3: Where I heard it from.
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  Speaker 4: I'm wanting to know it's the right word.
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  Speaker 5: Disoriented or disorientated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. I've got bad news for you.
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  Speaker 1: It's both.
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  Speaker 2: They are both. Yes, they're both in the Oxford they're
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  Speaker 2: both equally accepted. Strictly speaking, I suppose disoriented would be
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  Speaker 2: more accurate. Disorientated comes later, and it is a back
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  Speaker 2: formation from disorientation. So orient originally meant looking east, That's
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  Speaker 2: what the word means, and then it meant, you know,
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  Speaker 2: pointing in a particular direction or focused in a particular direction,
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  Speaker 2: and if you're not focused in any direction, you are disoriented.
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  Speaker 2: Now that led Ryan, that gave rise to constructions of it,
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  Speaker 2: one of which was orientational disorientation. And while people were
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  Speaker 2: talking about being oriented or disoriented as a back formation
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  Speaker 2: from orientation, disoriented, orientated or disorientated was constructed. That happened
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  Speaker 2: in the early eighteen hundreds. So it happened a long
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  Speaker 2: time ago. And what happens is if they start being
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  Speaker 2: used in the English language, they become part of the
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  Speaker 2: English language. So both words with exactly the same meaning
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  Speaker 2: are acceptable these days.
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  Speaker 4: Fantastic, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I hope that helps. I caught a flight from Asia
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  Speaker 1: to Australia. I was disoriented.
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  Speaker 2: You were deoriented.
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  Speaker 1: I felt disoriented.
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  Speaker 2: Though, yes, all right, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I shouldn't be going on side tracks because we
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of text to get through kem and
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  Speaker 1: the jokes are really bad by now. I'll get him
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  Speaker 1: angry if I keep going. Not likely, is Freddie. Regarding
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  Speaker 1: blind Freddie.
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  Speaker 2: Says, ray, oh, look, there are theories about this, and
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  Speaker 2: the one that most of the dictionaries publishes that there
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  Speaker 2: was a blind beggar in Sydney in the early years
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  Speaker 2: of the twentieth century, so early nineteen hundreds, who was
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  Speaker 2: well known around Sydney and who was known as Blind Freddie.
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  Speaker 2: I've got this lovely theory of mine, which no one
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  Speaker 2: else supports, and for which I found no documentary evidence,
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  Speaker 2: but I think it goes back about fifty years earlier
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  Speaker 2: than that, and was Sir Frederick. Sir Frederick Pottinger. Sir
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  Speaker 2: Frederick Pottinger was an English baronet, young man in his twenties,
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  Speaker 2: who was set out here by his family because he
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  Speaker 2: disgraced himself back at home, and because this baronet with
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  Speaker 2: the title arrived in New South Wales, he was appointed
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  Speaker 2: to be head of a patrol of troopers to find
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  Speaker 2: Ben Hall. Well, of course Ben Hall the master of
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  Speaker 2: the bush and the bush that was filled with his friends.
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  Speaker 2: Sir Frederick didn't have a chance, so he never found him.
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  Speaker 2: And I would like it to be the case that
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  Speaker 2: he was the original Blind Freddie.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good theory. That's a good theory. Brett wants
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  Speaker 1: to know about fully sick Broull is one of the
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  Speaker 1: things kids say these days.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, ask a kid look fully sick bro I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: ask a twelve year old. Yeah, nowadays, kids use sick
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  Speaker 2: to mean good. Bro is a Black American abbreviation of brother.
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  Speaker 2: Why any white Australian would say bro? I have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. If they're only fifteen, they should know better.
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  Speaker 2: It belongs in the ghettos and America American street language.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's really stupid here.
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  Speaker 1: It's picked up a lot, though, I hear it a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Oh, there's lots of idiots around, so that's
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  Speaker 2: why you've heard it a lot, because there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stupid people around. But it's a stupid expression. So
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  Speaker 2: that's where the bro comes from. It's just nuts and
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  Speaker 2: sick means sick. Is one of these things where it
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  Speaker 2: was originally negative and the kids use it to mean good.
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  Speaker 2: So fully sick just means really good.
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  Speaker 1: It's gone out of my head. But there is a word,
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  Speaker 1: is there not for using a word that's the opposite
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  Speaker 1: of the meaning you're expressing.
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  Speaker 2: What is that? Antony?
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  Speaker 1: Music and anthony antonym Because when you say something sick
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  Speaker 1: to say it's good, or if you say something's if
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  Speaker 1: you're being sarcastia. Yeah, yeah, it's probably just sarcasm. It's
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  Speaker 1: just very bad swaying anyway, Peter won't call them actors
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  Speaker 1: an actress.
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  Speaker 2: Not calling them bro. That's a really really silly word, Paul. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: you got me started now you shouldn't have got me
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  Speaker 2: onto this. It really is an idiotic word. It's an
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  Speaker 2: really silly expression. What about brother, Oh, brother's okay, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: brother's fine, brother.
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  Speaker 1: I noticed that's catching on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh well among Christians it's been used for about
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  Speaker 2: two thousand years. Good morning brother, Good morning sist. So
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  Speaker 2: that's not new, that's fine, but bro, spare spare me days.
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  Speaker 1: Paul lind also played Uncle Arthur in the sixties TV
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  Speaker 1: show Bewitched with Elizabeth Montgomery. Thank you, Fred, yes he did.
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  Speaker 1: How come we can have a waiter and a waitress,
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  Speaker 1: asks Anna, but not an actor and an actress.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you can't have a waiter and a waitress anymore.
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  Speaker 2: They are now officially called weight persons. I know it's
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  Speaker 2: stupid and it's a really really dumb construction in the
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  Speaker 2: English language. But because the woke are bullies are therefore
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  Speaker 2: people who employ persons to weight on tables have to
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  Speaker 2: call them weight persons these days.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mind flight attendant. A lot of the other
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  Speaker 1: wokism irritate the heck out of me. But flight attendant,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems to be nicely neutral.
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  Speaker 2: No flight attendants not too dad dear, that's okay.
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  Speaker 1: I can't think of any other stuff off the top
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  Speaker 1: of my head. That actually all over, Red Raver asks
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  Speaker 1: Scott had.
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  Speaker 2: No idea, no idea. It's simply the kind the English
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  Speaker 2: language likes. Expressions are phrases, idioms which contain rhythm and rhyme.
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  Speaker 2: And any expression which contains rhythm and rhyme will be
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  Speaker 2: taken up by the language, will be remembered by people,
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  Speaker 2: be repeated by people all over. A Red Rover is
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  Speaker 2: simply a rhyming way of saying it's over. It's nothing
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  Speaker 2: more than that the creator was anonymous, and we don't
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  Speaker 2: know when.
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  Speaker 1: Now we'll go to the break with Jules, who sent
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  Speaker 1: a text in expanding on our reference to oh lord,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to be humble. She says, Oh lord, it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to sing it. I can't wait to
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  Speaker 1: look in the mirror because I get better looking each day.
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  Speaker 1: That's from mac Davis in nineteen seventy four. Thank you, Jules,
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  Speaker 1: it's twenty four to eleven. Don't waste time. We've got
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: a lot to get through here. On the text line,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Kell and calls coming in too. Mark wants to know
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: when they say on the music shows and similar forums
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: their new album is dropping tomorrow. Why is it dropping?
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I think that's an expression used in other forms, isn't
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: it or is it just music?
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know, just off the top of my hit,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I can't remember being used any world. It is simply
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: music people trying to be I mean, it's been released tomorrow,
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: is what's happening? Why you would choose to say it's
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: dropping tomorrow. I've got no idea. It's just music people
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: who don't speak English quite like the rest of us,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: and they were really super cool.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Maybe in the old days when that the record moved
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: up and then dropped on the platter. Maybe maybe well
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: where it came from.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: That's what they're not talking about. That they're talking about
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: it being released released the day it's released as the
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: day it drops, so it becomes available to the public
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: on that day. I can sort of under it's figurative language.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: It's a metaphor. I could understand the figurative language. I
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: can understand the metaphor, and I suppose it's a bit
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: cooler them saying it's been released tomorrow.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: This text has no name, but it says I remember
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: our male neighbor when he had a few too many
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: singing that song It's hard to be humble every weekend,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: and he was no Brad Pitt. George is on the
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: line with the question, Hello.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: George, look at ahl and join us thing tonight. I
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: know you were talking about do Daddy a few minutes ago,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: and the first thing that came to mind were those
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: beach Party movies of the sixties with Frankie Avalon Annette Foncello,
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: and they used to have a character in those movies
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: called Big Daddy. And I think it's an African American
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: thing to tack on something to Daddy, you know, like
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: do Daddy and Big Daddy. And you might remember the
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Yardbirds in the UK were a very famous sixties English group.
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: They made their name at the craw Daddy Club in
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: the UK. So it's I think it's a beatnik African
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: American thing that developed in the fifties and sixties. So
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: that's that's what came to mind.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Anyway, it became popular because Tennessee Williams used it in
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: one of his players, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: I think Burl Eives played Big Daddy in the movie,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I think. But it goes back to the late eighteen hundreds,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: eight and nineties anyone who was domineering. Actually, originally it
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: meant someone who was really sort of domineering and influential
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: was big Daddy. And it may go back to American
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: politics because American Tammany Hall politics was famously corrupt, and
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: there would be a big Daddy who called the shots
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: and ran the show.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Thank you, George, Is that your only question?
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Well, well, actually the reason I called was, well, our
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: indigenous brothers and sisters or are always in the news,
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: but just lately, and this is a thing you may
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: have dealt with before kill is our indigenous brothers and
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: sisters keep referring to themselves as our mob. And I
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: keep shaking my head because word mob is a pejorative term.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: It's a negative term, and I can't understand why they
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: keep refusing that word our mob. Oh.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Quite often, terms which started off as prijority terms are
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: adopted by groups of people as positive terms. So when
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Methodists were first called Methodists, it was meant to be
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: an insult, and they just took it up and said, yes,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: we'll call ourselves Methodists, so that quite often happens. Mob
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: comes from the word mobile, so it means any any
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: group of people or animals that can move, that can
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: move around. So that's where it originally came from. But
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: it's an English word. It's not an Aboriginal word, fairly obviously,
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: and it was used in Australia for a mob of
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: sheep or a mob of caple cattle or whatever, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Aboriginal people adopted it as a good collective noun. They
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: liked it, they chose to use it, and they use
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: it a lot now. In fact, they've used it a
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: great deal for I would think over one hundred years.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Thanks George, Good on you mate. Brett's on the line
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: waiting patiently with another interesting one. Hello Brad, Yeah.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Gay, Bill and Kel.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Yesterday Fordham made a comment on his show about a
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: blike who had a machete.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Down his dacks.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: How do you get dax from a pair of pants?
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: My memory is, and I'm just I can find it quickly.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: It was a proprietary name there was a manufacturer by
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that name, a proprietary name for a brand of clothes.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Like people say Hoover for vacuuming.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Exactly the same thing, that's right, or sell it tape
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: instead of a sticky tape. It's that kind of thing.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: There was a company called s Simpson Limited. I've just
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: opened up my Oxford database so I don't memorize all
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: of this stuff in Stoke Newington Road in London, and
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: they manufactured trousers under the brand name Dax And it
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: was just a brand name that caught on and applied
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: to all trousers then. So it'd be nice if there
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: was a really exciting but it's just a brand name.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, Brett, there's a bit of history
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: for us. Jude Jaw and Jim Crack are also do
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Dad's true, says Sarah. There you go.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, we will take your word for that. Bill and
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I are thoroughly convinced you know exactly what you're talking about.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: We've taken your word for that.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: We will Joyce says My mother used to tell us
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: she would knock us into the middle of next week
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: when we were naughty. What do you think of that? One?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: She says, yes, it's actually the interesting thing about these
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: expressions is the way they survive and the way they
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: are passed on from one set of parents to another.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: So it must be part of the oral culture, because
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: there's not a set of instructions when you become a parent.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: You know, one of the things you can say when
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the kids play up, when the kids will say, we'll
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: knock you into the middle of next week. There's no
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: book that tells you that. But nevertheless, these things get
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: passed down from one generation to another and from one
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: set of parents to another, and they are simply good expressions.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: They're nice expressions that convey what you want to convey
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: to the kids with being too physical.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Now, this is a good one, Kel because I often
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: wonder if people these days understand it. As a journalist,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I do, obviously, But Susan says, what does it mean
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: when you see in brackets sic after a paragraph in
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the paper? And where does it come from?
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: It comes from Latin, and it may what does it
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: mean Latin? It means the idea of s I C
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: means that's the way it was originally. So if they're
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: running a quote from someone in the middle of it
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: there's a mispronounced or misspelled word. They put sick afterwards
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: in brackets to say he did it, not me. What
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: does sick mean in Latin? I'm trying to remember my Latin.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Someone who knows who learned Latin and remembers their high
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: school Latin call up and tell us.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Please, Yeah, I know what it's for, but I didn't
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: know the origin, so I never studied Latin this one.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: What about the saying strike me pink? Says Mick.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: It's simply that pink is meant to be the color
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: of good health. If you've gone pink, then you're you're
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: looking good and you're fine. You know, you're doing really well.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: So strike me pink was that kind of expression of surprise.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Getting back to Bro, Mark says, hey, Bro, you're going
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to upset the kiwheeze.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Wherever it came from, there's no doubt they do a lot.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh oh, sick means so so. In other words,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: if you put that in brackets, say it was so
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: how they did it? It was so?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Thank you Okay, thank you by the way too for
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: that text message. Mark, that was an interesting observation. Pats
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: on the line with another one. Now, I know that
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Bruce Willis and I think die Hard made famous a
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: version of this, saying Hello Pat.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: Good evening guys, thanks to the show and thanks Cal.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: You're absolutely I think, And you know, my mother was
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: an elocution teacher, so it's quite amazing how you are
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: still attained all your knowledge yp io.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: To the best of my knowledge, it's an American Western
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: expression and it was a cry used by cowboys to
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: words catle on. Now. I think that's where it came from,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: and I would think it would have been recorded by
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: well at least from the eighteen sixties. It may have
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: been recorded earlier than that, but it was the kind
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: of yell or cry or shout that someone driving cattle
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: would use to move the cattle on.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Bruce Willis used the term yippie kaya
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: kaiya instead of which I was familiar with. But someone
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: can tell.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Us there'll be there will be various versions of it,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: so there won't be one version because it was part
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: of or the oral language, and it was just part
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of a bit of slang. I mean, it was the
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: just using yippee was used as an exclamation of delight.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they just tried to put a spelling on it. Yeah,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it was just a sound. It's a quarter to eleven.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: This is Kel Richards with words. We've still got plenty
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: of texts here. We'll get through as many as we
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: can after this, where with Kel Richard's with words and
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: we'll do as best we can in the last five
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: minutes or so. This is a good one from Mark,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: who says Kel just wondering when dealing with food using
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: the word helping came about.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: It's recorded from eighteen twenty odd to a serving of food,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and it comes from the idea of help yourself. In
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: other words, food was commonly served in the middle of
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: the table, and everyone helped themselves to some of the roast,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: some of the vegetable, some of the whatever. And because
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: you helped yourself, what you got out of it was
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: are helping?
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Jukebox? Asks Alan. That's interesting because is it related to
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the old duke joints back in the early days when
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the African Americans had those places? I wonder, yeah, or
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: is that an entirely different thing. Jukeboxes still exist, don't know.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine they would because everything's digital now.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes from a West African word which was
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: taken to America a West African language called Gulla, and
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: it was pronounced duke or juke, and originally it meant
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: to live wickedly, to live really badly.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: I think it is connected to the duke joints.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Then, yeah, so you could have a juke house or
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: a juke joint, which might be a brothel, or it
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: might be a roadhouse or a cheap roadside establishment. So
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: probably I would think that the juke box got the
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: first part of its name from that, because they were
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: machines that played music in those kinds of places.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, the big cheese, asks Pamela, the big cheese when
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: it comes to words.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Well, a big cheese, I mean someone who's important. It's
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: a bit like big daddy. Originally an American expression, and
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: it was used for someone who was self important, who
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: thought he was the big cheese. So I'm presuming that
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: it was originally meant to be a kind of a
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: put down, you know, someone who thought really well of himself.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Look at he thinks he's the big cheese. And cheese
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: is not that important unless it's really nicely important. French trees,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: it's not that important. So it's a way of putting
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: down someone who was very impressed by himself.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: What about on a cracker with a glass of red.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Now we're getting somewhere. Yes, a lot of people, David,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: thank you.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Do you know the sort of person. There's a friend
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: of mine and he speaks very well of himself.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: No names, no patrol. Yes, well, where'd that come from?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: No name's no patrel.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: We can't have a conversation really without stopping.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: It comes from the army, that's right.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: And yes, Harvey as well. A lot of people got
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the Latin meaning for sick, by the way, congratulating a
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: few people in case you're wondering, we do note these things. Rebecca,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: well done. A whole stack of people had that correct.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Can I just say thank you for that because my
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: brain went totally blank. I'd filed that in some sort
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: of brain cell that it since died, and it did
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: finally come back to me, but it took a while, So
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: thank you. You're very helpful.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Wendy's got a funny one by two grandsons nine to
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: twelve and nine years of age call each other brother
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: or bro, which we think is cute. They haven't got
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: it from the US because they're too young. Oh, then
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: they are brothers, Wendy.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes they have. BRO was not coined here. Bro
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: is imported here from America, and it turns up on
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: too many television things and somewhere on television. They've heard it.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: All their friends have heard it on television, and they've
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: picked it up from them. I'm sorry it did come
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: from America, even for your wonderful grandsons.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Now, Allan says Kell, and he's full of praise. Your
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: opinion on the meaning of the word youth was ultimately
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: supported by the judge and the Newington co Ed Versus Boys'
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: school court case the word wizard.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: As I mentioned last week, the people who were running
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: the case did contact me, very nice lady, lovely lady,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: and I was very sympathetic to her cause. But I said,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: you will not win it on the meaning of the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: word youth because it is not gender specific. And I
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: did a bit of digging in the Oxford and elsewhere
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: for information to back that up and gave it to her.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: But they ignored my advice, ran the case anyway, and
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: did not win.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: John makes a good point. I hope I've got you
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: right here, John. When you're saying there's no such thing
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: as daylight savings. It's daylight saving. But John, you will
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: seem to make it a plural.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, John, you are exactly right, and you and I
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: stand together on this one. It is the saving of
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: daylight during the day. It is an action. It's not money,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: it's not a thing. It's an action. And so it's
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: the action of daylight saving. And people who make it
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: plural displaying their sheer ignorance.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I took my cash to the bank yesterday, kel is
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: that daylight savings? Sorry? Are you sorry? You warned me,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: didn't you not to make cheapid dad jokes?
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Sorry, sorry, dad jokes.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: It's just jos dad jokes.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Come on, I'm just about to walk out. Stay with
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: me for another minute and a half if you don't
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: mind two minutes, Wade says, Hi, gentlemen, there were stacks
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: of dack slacks on racks, as the saying.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I recall, Ah, yes, and I think it might have
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: been used in advertising. Was it ever used in radio advertising?
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: It could have been. I don't remember, to be honest,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: but it sounds like it was. Let's go quickly through.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: I've lost my place. I've lost my place up to
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: the oldest. Let's go back to the email line for
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: a second, because this is one I really liked. Flotsam
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: and jetsam. Elizabeth wanted to know.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: The difference started out in maritime law. Flotsam is the
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: wreckage of a ship that floats. The bits of wreckage
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: which float are the flotsam, and you can see that
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: if you look at the word the bits of and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: gets washed up on the shore. The bits of wreckage
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: which are thrown overboard when a ship is in trouble
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: is the jetsam.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: As in jettison, as in jettison.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: So that's the flotsam, and that's the jets And when
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: it comes to collecting whatever legal prize you're allowed to
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: collect when you collect a w recship, it makes a
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: big difference. Apparently, flotsam there is no the original owners
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: can't have a claim on.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: A couple of quick ones. Alan wants to know Khaki
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: or khaki.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, Kaki always khaki shoot anyone. Anyone says khaki shoot them.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Where does that come from? Though? Why did they start
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: saying that? Is it American past? Just like they say aluminum?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: You know, no, No, aluminum is a totally different story.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Why would they say that. If you think back to
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: mash they didn't say they didn't say khaki. They said khaki,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: didn't they?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It comes from part of India. It came into
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Britain when India was part of the British Empire. It
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: comes from a language called Urdu and it means dust colored.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: And will say goodbye with Jason clarifying I was right
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: when it came to die Hard and Bruce Willis. He
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: said yippie kaye.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: And something else which is unusable on a family program.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Correct And with that, Kel Richards, thank you so much.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: That went quickly, didn't it. You'll be back next week
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: You will, I will say, mate, there he is the
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: great Kill Richards