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Mega Edition: Chief Fry And The Investigation In Moscow (8/13/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. Moscow
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Speaker 1: Police Chief James Fry gave an interview to the Daily
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Speaker 1: News on Thursday, and he had a few interesting things
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Speaker 1: to say about where the case is and why they're
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Speaker 1: holding back information. Now. We talk a lot about the
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Speaker 1: miscommunication and how they're shooting themselves in the foot, So
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Speaker 1: I wanted to present the other side of the argument,
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Speaker 1: which is the police chief and the investigators and why
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Speaker 1: they're saying that they're keeping this information away from the public. Now,
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Speaker 1: those of us who follow this stuff closely, we understand
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Speaker 1: that they can't show us everything they have, and those
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Speaker 1: of us who understand that these things take time, we're
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Speaker 1: not even demanding that. I think what people are most
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Speaker 1: upset about at this point is that the communication has
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Speaker 1: been less than stellar, and that's giving them credit right now.
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Speaker 1: As far as what they're doing as investigators behind the scenes,
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Speaker 1: I really won't criticize that because A I'm not privy
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Speaker 1: to what they're doing, and B I wouldn't understand their
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Speaker 1: investigative techniques anyway, if I'm being honest with you, and
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Speaker 1: I doubt most people out there listening or covering this
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Speaker 1: would understand what they're doing either. Look, there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of professionals on the scene, mainly from the FBI, who
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Speaker 1: have dealt with this kind of thing plenty of times before,
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Speaker 1: so I know that there's people who are experienced there
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Speaker 1: who are doing a good job to try and bring justice.
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Speaker 1: So let's see what James Fry has to say. This
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Speaker 1: article is from the Moscow Pullman Daily News and the
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Speaker 1: headline Moscow police chief, We're going to solve this. James
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Speaker 1: Fry talks about why information is being held back, reiterates
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Speaker 1: that investigators believe murders were a targeted attack, so they're
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Speaker 1: adamant about it being a targeted attack. But the messaging
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Speaker 1: is horrible. When you have the prosecutor coming out saying
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Speaker 1: what he said and causing so much confusion, it can't
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Speaker 1: be easy for this police chief, right. This guy's probably
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Speaker 1: smacking himself in the forehead, sitting at his desk saying
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Speaker 1: to himself, what kind of mess do we got to
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Speaker 1: deal with now? And as far as the prosecutor goes, buddy,
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Speaker 1: just stay in your office, show up when you're needed,
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Speaker 1: sign whatever paperwork is needed, and get ready for the prosecution.
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Speaker 1: Leave the investigative work and the commentary to the professionals.
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Speaker 1: This article was authored by Anthony Kuipers, the Moscow Police Chief.
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Speaker 1: On Thursday, explain why police have held back information from
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Speaker 1: the public regarding the investigation into the November thirteenth murders
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Speaker 1: of four University of Idaho students. James Frye expressed confidence
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Speaker 1: that the team of investigators will solve the case, even
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Speaker 1: though no suspect has been identified yet. And of course
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Speaker 1: he's going to show that confidence, right, what's he going
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Speaker 1: to say, Sorry, folks, we don't have anything. We got
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Speaker 1: to pack it in. We're never gonna catch the person
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Speaker 1: or persons responsible, of course not, so he has to
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Speaker 1: say all the right things. I have confidence in the investigation.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna catch this person. We're gonna find out what happened.
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Speaker 1: But meanwhile, we really aren't any closer to that, at
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Speaker 1: least as far as we know. Occurring nearly three weeks
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Speaker 1: after Kelly gonsolve this, Madison, mogen Ethan Chapin, and Xana
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Speaker 1: Kernodle were killed in their King Road residence. Little information
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Speaker 1: has been shared to answer questions like how the suspect
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Speaker 1: got into the residence, who specifically was targeted, and why
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Speaker 1: other roommates were spared. So in the lack of evidence,
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Speaker 1: In the lack of information, that causes a vacuum, and
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Speaker 1: inside of that vacuum that's where you get conspiracy theories
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Speaker 1: and wild stuff to pop up. Fry said, when that
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Speaker 1: information has made public, the suspect may learn that information too,
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Speaker 1: which may jeopardize the case. Also might jeopardize the integrity
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Speaker 1: of a trial if an arrest is made. He is
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Speaker 1: not wrong about any of that, folks. I know that's
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Speaker 1: not what we all want to hear. And I know
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Speaker 1: people following these cases they just want the information right away.
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Speaker 1: And I get it. We're talking about four murdered college kids.
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Speaker 1: Everybody here wants justice. I think that's the one thing
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Speaker 1: that all of us share. We all want justice here,
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Speaker 1: from the investigators to people covering the case, to people
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Speaker 1: following the case. I think that's the one shared thing
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Speaker 1: that we all have in common at this point. Justice
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Speaker 1: for these kids. Now, how we get to that point
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Speaker 1: of justice. That's going to be the point of contention,
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Speaker 1: because everybody's going to have their own ideas, But the
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Speaker 1: only ideas that really matter, the only ideas that are
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Speaker 1: really going to move the needle, are the ideas that
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Speaker 1: the investigators have and that the investigators are employing. We're
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Speaker 1: always going to hold stuff back as much as we
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Speaker 1: possibly can, because when you're talking about thetegrity of the case,
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Speaker 1: you're talking about when this goes to trial, have you
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Speaker 1: tainted jurors? He said during an interview in The Daily News.
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Speaker 1: There's a way bigger picture here than just people knowing,
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Speaker 1: because for it to be a fair trial, you have
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Speaker 1: to have people who don't know facts and have already
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Speaker 1: made up their own opinions on them one hundred percent.
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Speaker 1: The last thing you want to do is have some
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Speaker 1: sort of issue pop up, like we're starting to see
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Speaker 1: down in Delphi, Richard Allen's attorneys are making a big
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Speaker 1: stink about him not being the guy. And I'll tell
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Speaker 1: you the truth with the way the investigators have gone
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Speaker 1: about it, after what we're just learning about, how there
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Speaker 1: was a clerical error and that was what let Richard
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Speaker 1: Allen get away for all of these years. If I
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Speaker 1: was a lawyers, I'd be looking for loopholes and technicalities too.
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Speaker 1: So that's what you want to avoid in the long run, right,
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Speaker 1: That's why you have to try and protect the integrity
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Speaker 1: of the investigation, and that's why, specifically, if you look
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Speaker 1: at federal investigations that are underway, say by the Southern
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Speaker 1: District of New York, they very rarely hold a press conference,
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Speaker 1: very rarely, and I mean very rarely. They held one
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Speaker 1: about Prince Andrew and that was so out of the
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Speaker 1: norm that it's not even funny. And there's a reason
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Speaker 1: for that. The DOJ they're not trying to step on
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Speaker 1: their own investigations, and they know that inevitably somebody's gonna
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Speaker 1: pop off at the lip involved in the investigation that's
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Speaker 1: gonna say something crazy. Fry said his department still believes
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Speaker 1: these killings were the result of a targeted attack, although
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Speaker 1: he did not divulge why detectives believe that. And they're
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Speaker 1: not going to For those of us out there that
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Speaker 1: want this information, you're just gonna have to chill. They're
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Speaker 1: not gonna give it to us. We're gonna have to
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Speaker 1: hope and pray that they're doing the right thing behind
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Speaker 1: the scenes and they're not just saying the right things.
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Speaker 1: A Wednesday news release from the Moscow Police created some
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Speaker 1: confusion on this topic by stating detectives do not currently
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Speaker 1: know if the residence or any occupants were specifically targeted,
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Speaker 1: but continue to investigate. Fre I confirm to The Daily
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Speaker 1: News on Thursday that his department still stands by its
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Speaker 1: earlier statements that this was a targeted attack. In an
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Speaker 1: interview with CNN, Idaho State Police spokesman Aaron Snell clarified
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Speaker 1: the recent news releases by saying, investigators have not concluded
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Speaker 1: if the target was the residence or its occupants, And
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Speaker 1: I think the confusion here is coming from again the messaging.
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Speaker 1: What does it mean to say that the residence itself
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Speaker 1: might be targeted? What does that even mean? And why
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Speaker 1: would you even think that with no other information and
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Speaker 1: just coming out with that commentary. You know people are
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Speaker 1: going to swim around in them waters and look for
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Speaker 1: some clarity, right, So why even say it. As of
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Speaker 1: Wednesday night, one hundred and thirteen pieces of physical evidence
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Speaker 1: have been collected and taken to the Idaho State Police
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Speaker 1: Crime Lab. More than two hundred and sixty tips have
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Speaker 1: been submitted to the FBI. That evidence includes DNA from
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Speaker 1: the crime scene, but Fry says he does not yet
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Speaker 1: know when the lab will release the results of that testing.
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Speaker 1: Fry said the police have done many, many interviews with
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Speaker 1: people and will continue to follow every lead. And that's
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Speaker 1: why I'm so concerned here, folks. Right, let's just be
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Speaker 1: very clear. I'm so concerned because they've had all of
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Speaker 1: these interviews, they've talked to everybody who probably has ever
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Speaker 1: even hung out with these kids on campus at this point,
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Speaker 1: and still we're at a place where it looks like
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Speaker 1: they don't have much. So that concerns me. You would
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Speaker 1: think that if it's somebody in their social circle, somebody
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Speaker 1: in their group of friends, somebody that they had a
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Speaker 1: beef with, we know all about that by now, with
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Speaker 1: all of the investigation, with all of the hours spent
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Speaker 1: with interviews, you would think that they would have gleaned
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Speaker 1: a little bit of that knowledge by now, if there
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Speaker 1: was any of that to glean. So, if that's not
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Speaker 1: the case, and it's not somebody in the circle, that
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Speaker 1: means the drag net has to be opened up even wider.
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Speaker 1: And you have to consider that it's some stranger, some
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Speaker 1: maniac who was responsible for this. And if that is
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Speaker 1: the case, well it's gonna be a lot harder for
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Speaker 1: them to get a conviction here and find the person responsible. Now,
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Speaker 1: if this was something that was done in rage, meaning again,
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Speaker 1: somebody had beef, somebody had a gripe. I would think
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Speaker 1: that the police would be a little bit closer to
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Speaker 1: finding that person by now, considering how far along we are,
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Speaker 1: and how many tips they've had and how many interviews
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Speaker 1: they've done. Dealing with this evidence, he said, is a
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Speaker 1: time consuming task that has contributed to the length of
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Speaker 1: this investigation. I think people need to realize that these
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Speaker 1: things they take time in order to get the evidence
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Speaker 1: processed and processed properly without destroying it or contaminating it.
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Speaker 1: He says. It takes time to do that. Of course
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Speaker 1: it does, and people have been a bit unrealistic with
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Speaker 1: their expectations as as turnaround times here. It's gonna take
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Speaker 1: a little bit of time, folks. But when the information
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Speaker 1: does start coming in, I wouldn't I would I wouldn't
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Speaker 1: expect that to be divulged to us anyway, because again,
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Speaker 1: it's going to destroy the integrity of their investigation. And
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Speaker 1: that's the most important thing here. We have to remember that.
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Speaker 1: I know we all want answers, I know we all
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Speaker 1: want justice, but the most important thing is that they're
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Speaker 1: able to get to that point without stepping on their
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Speaker 1: own Dick Fry said he knows the community has become
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Speaker 1: impatient with the pace of the investigation, but he said
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Speaker 1: the collection and processing of the evidence is being done correctly.
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Speaker 1: I understand people are frustrated with that, but in the end,
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Speaker 1: when you have a rock solid case, that's what matters.
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Speaker 1: He said, one hundred percent correct. And if when this
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Speaker 1: is all said and done, that's what they have, a
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Speaker 1: rock solid case that leads to a conviction and somebody
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Speaker 1: going to prison for this, I'll be the first one
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Speaker 1: to get up on my soapbox and cheer these guys
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Speaker 1: because I understand how difficult this job is, and if
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Speaker 1: they would just clean up that messaging and the way
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Speaker 1: they go about speaking to the public and these news conferences,
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Speaker 1: I really wouldn't have too much to criticize as far
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Speaker 1: as what they're up to. But I understand why people
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Speaker 1: are fired up about this. We're talking about four college
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Speaker 1: kids dead, and we're in a day and age where
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Speaker 1: people usually don't get away with this kind of stuff
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Speaker 1: for very long, especially when you have this many resources
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Speaker 1: dumped into an investigation. People are used to results in
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Speaker 1: this sort of situation, but when you start taking a
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Speaker 1: step back and looking at everything in context, you understand
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Speaker 1: the scope of what we're looking at here, and this
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Speaker 1: isn't going to happen overnight unless there's a tip or
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Speaker 1: a lead or something like that. He said. The hours
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Speaker 1: that passed between when the murders likely happened and the
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Speaker 1: nine to one one call that was placed just before
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Speaker 1: noon has not hindered the investigation learn how to adapt
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Speaker 1: to circumstances they cannot change when working a case. I
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Speaker 1: don't believe that for a second. We all know that
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Speaker 1: the first two hours with a body is you know,
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Speaker 1: those are the golden hours, and it's very important that
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Speaker 1: the investigation and the crime scene is protected and that
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Speaker 1: it's not contaminated. So we don't know what happened in
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Speaker 1: that period of time. So for me, I kind of
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Speaker 1: think him saying that's a little bit silly. We get
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Speaker 1: dealt the handw're dealt, and then we move forward from
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Speaker 1: that point on, he said. When asked when this case,
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Speaker 1: if it continues to go unsolved, unsolved, becomes a cold case,
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Speaker 1: Fried express confidence it won't come to that. I'm not
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Speaker 1: even going to speculate on that number one, because that's
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Speaker 1: not even in my mind, he said, we're going to
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Speaker 1: solve this. We're going to continue to work until we
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Speaker 1: solve it. He called the investigative team, made up of
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Speaker 1: Moscow Police, FBI, and Idaho State Police, an incredible working group.
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Speaker 1: There's no ego, he said. We have focus, we have
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Speaker 1: a job to do, and we're going to go after
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Speaker 1: that and look for answers. Fry said any tips from
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Speaker 1: the public gets sent to the tip line where staff
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Speaker 1: review them. He said there's been discussion about offering a
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Speaker 1: reward for information leading to an arrest. Fry said, while
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Speaker 1: that may happen in the future, police are not ready
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Speaker 1: to do that yet, and I think they don't want
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Speaker 1: to give the impression that they don't have anything. That's
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Speaker 1: my personal opinion why there's no reward yet. I know
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Speaker 1: other people think there's no reward because the police have
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Speaker 1: something behind the scenes, and that's possible, But for me,
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Speaker 1: I think that they don't want to tip their hand
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Speaker 1: that they don't have enough information yet or anything that
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Speaker 1: is providing them with a quality lead. And if they
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Speaker 1: put a reward out that would certainly tip their hand
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Speaker 1: to the public that they might be at an impasse.
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Speaker 1: So we'll have to see what goes on with that reward,
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Speaker 1: and I'm interested to see if they do post one
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Speaker 1: either way. I just wanted to give you James Fry,
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Speaker 1: the police chief, his perspective on what's going on and
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Speaker 1: why he thinks that the evidence should still be protected
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Speaker 1: and why he thinks that eventually we're gonna get our
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Speaker 1: suspect here. All right, folks, that's going to do it
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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. Moscow Police Chief James
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Speaker 1: Fry gave an interview to NBC News and he was
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Speaker 1: talking about the investigation and talking about the communication between
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Speaker 1: the investigators and the parents and police Chief Fry says
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Speaker 1: that there has been a liaison working with the families
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Speaker 1: since this all went down, And that was a question
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Speaker 1: that I had right from the jump. How is it
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Speaker 1: that there's no liaison here to help smooth things over
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Speaker 1: and make sure that there is no miscommunication issues, but
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Speaker 1: I guess there has been one since the beginning, and
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Speaker 1: it just hasn't worked out as well for the Gonsalvez
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Speaker 1: family as maybe it has worked out for the Chapin family,
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Speaker 1: who seems to be relatively happy with what's going on
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Speaker 1: as far as they're concerned, and they even make a
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Speaker 1: comment towards that here in this article. But I think
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Speaker 1: the one thing that is important to remember is that
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Speaker 1: even though all of these kids were killed together, they
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Speaker 1: all have separate families, right, and all of those families
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Speaker 1: are gonna have different feelings about this, different ways they grieve,
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Speaker 1: and different ways they go about looking for justice. And
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Speaker 1: I think my point overall is nobody should criticize them
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Speaker 1: for how they go about it one way or the other.
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Speaker 1: This isn't a situation where you can project yourself and say, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is definitely what I would do one way or
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Speaker 1: the other, besides saying you'd be completely wrecked and a
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Speaker 1: mess or whatever. But as far as your reactions, until
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Speaker 1: we're in a situation like this, none of us know,
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Speaker 1: So who the hell am I to sit here and
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Speaker 1: try and criticize the grieving parents of these kids and
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Speaker 1: the nonsense about mister Gonsalvez ruining the integrity of the case,
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Speaker 1: that's some straight up bs. I'll just call it what
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Speaker 1: it is. The police aren't even giving them any information.
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Speaker 1: All of the information he got was from the coroner.
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Speaker 1: So how is he ruining the integrity of the case
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Speaker 1: by giving his opinion or doing interviews Besides the eventual
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Speaker 1: suspect and his lawyer arguing about tainted jerry pools. There's
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Speaker 1: no chance that what any of these parents have to
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Speaker 1: say unless they're giving out official case information. There's no
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Speaker 1: chance that whatever they have to say in these interviews
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Speaker 1: is going to prove detrimental to what's going on as
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Speaker 1: far as the conviction, and anyone saying otherwise really hasn't
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Speaker 1: been paying attention. If they could find a jury pool
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Speaker 1: for Glenn Maxwell, for Keith RAINIERIY and for every other
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Speaker 1: scumbag I'm missing right now, believe me, they'll find a
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Speaker 1: jury pool that's gonna sit in and render judgment on
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Speaker 1: the piece of shit who's responsible for this. Now you
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Speaker 1: can say you don't agree with what Steve Gonsalvas has
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Speaker 1: to say, of course, but some of the vitriol that's
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Speaker 1: being directed at this dude is way misdirected. So with
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Speaker 1: that said, let's get into this article from NBC News
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Speaker 1: and let's see what Chief Fry had to say. Headline
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Speaker 1: Police chief leading investigation of Idaho student slayings says families
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Speaker 1: aren't being excluded. We asked them to trust us and
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Speaker 1: that we're going to continue to move through this until
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Speaker 1: we have a completion in that case, Moscow Police Chief
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Speaker 1: James Fry said, So, look, this guy's been adamant that
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Speaker 1: they're going to solve this case, and I hope they do.
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Speaker 1: I have no ax to grind with the Moscow Police Department.
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Speaker 1: I didn't even know they really existed, to tell you
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Speaker 1: the truth, until these horrendous murders were committed. So I'm
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent in the camp of the investigators and
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Speaker 1: hoping that they get the person or persons responsible for this,
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Speaker 1: and I hope that they're doing everything that they possibly can,
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Speaker 1: and from everything that I've seen, they are doing everything
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Speaker 1: that they can. But we don't have access to what's
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Speaker 1: going on behind the scenes. We don't know what leads
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Speaker 1: are being chased, and we shouldn't. That is something that
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Speaker 1: the investigators should keep close to the vest that way,
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Speaker 1: when we do get to that point, there is a conviction.
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Speaker 1: So Chief Fry is not wrong about any of that.
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Speaker 1: To reiterate once again, my problem has been communication. It
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Speaker 1: has been communication from the jump. And when you set
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Speaker 1: the tone right off the bat with poor communication, and
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Speaker 1: then you have the families, or at least some of
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Speaker 1: the families talking about how the communication with them has
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Speaker 1: been poor, what do you expect the general public to think? Now?
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Speaker 1: I think some of the criticism that's been fired at
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Speaker 1: the Moscow Police Department certainly has been off base. I
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Speaker 1: certainly don't think that they're negligent or that they're sitting
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Speaker 1: on their hands hanging out. I think that they're out
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Speaker 1: there doing as good of a job as they possibly can.
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Speaker 1: But when it comes to the communication aspect of all
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Speaker 1: of this, it could use a bit of polishing, if
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Speaker 1: you get my drift. This article was authored by Eric
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Speaker 1: Ortiz and Steve Patterson. The police chief of Moscow, Idaho,
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, defended his department's handling of the investigation into
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Speaker 1: the killings of four university students and push back at
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Speaker 1: the notion families are being left in the dark. Every
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Speaker 1: family wants a little bit different information, and we have
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Speaker 1: a liaison with each of the families and we talk
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Speaker 1: to them daily. Well, that's certainly good to hear, because
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Speaker 1: when this all was first starting, I wasn't too sure
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Speaker 1: if that step had been taken. I assumed it had been,
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Speaker 1: considering the FBI was involved, and that's a go to
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Speaker 1: a move for the FBI usually to have a liaison
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Speaker 1: work between the investigation and the family or the lawyer
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Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. But having that constant line
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Speaker 1: of communication open for the family members, I think it's
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Speaker 1: a big deal for them to feel like they're involved,
20:24
Speaker 1: even if they're not involved. I think a lot of
20:26
Speaker 1: these family members, and not just in this case, they
20:29
Speaker 1: want to feel like they're pushing the ball forward to
20:31
Speaker 1: get justice for their loved one, and if you keep
20:34
Speaker 1: them in the loop, a lot of times they feel
20:36
Speaker 1: like they're part of that process. Chief Fry also added
20:41
Speaker 1: that the local prosecutor's office also has a liaison who
20:45
Speaker 1: is in regular contact with the victims' families. We pass
20:48
Speaker 1: on as much information as we can to them. As
20:51
Speaker 1: I stated, there's information that we've held back and we
20:54
Speaker 1: know that frustrates them, Fry said of the families, but
20:57
Speaker 1: we ask them to be patient, sent to trust us,
21:00
Speaker 1: and we're going to continue to move through this until
21:03
Speaker 1: we have completion in the case. Now, that's a big
21:06
Speaker 1: ass from these investigators for these family members to trust
21:09
Speaker 1: them to bring justice. And again it's not a knock
21:13
Speaker 1: on them personally. We all know the homicide clearance rate
21:16
Speaker 1: in America these days, and as each day goes by,
21:19
Speaker 1: that rate gets worse and worse and worse. But the
21:22
Speaker 1: good thing here, like I've said several times before, is
21:26
Speaker 1: with all of these resources, there's no chance that this
21:29
Speaker 1: is going to go cold anytime soon. Now. Is there
21:32
Speaker 1: a chance later on in the future that it goes cold.
21:35
Speaker 1: Of course there is that chance, but right now that
21:38
Speaker 1: is way premature to even be talking about. So many
21:41
Speaker 1: tips are coming in still, and remember they got to
21:43
Speaker 1: work their way through these tips, so they have a
21:47
Speaker 1: lot on their plate, and you know, sometimes you got
21:50
Speaker 1: to eat the elephant one bite at a time. The
21:54
Speaker 1: unsolved slayings of the four University of Idaho students in
21:58
Speaker 1: an off campus residence on No. Thirteenth has placed a
22:01
Speaker 1: spotlight on the small police force's efforts. The case has
22:05
Speaker 1: been dogged by mixed messaging from authorities who initially said
22:08
Speaker 1: the targeted attack posed no lingering threat to the community,
22:12
Speaker 1: although Fried days later told reporters he couldn't say where
22:16
Speaker 1: the killer or killers may be. No suspect has been named,
22:20
Speaker 1: and the weapon, believed to be a large knife, has
22:23
Speaker 1: not been found. Three of the victims shared the home,
22:27
Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, and Xana Kernodle, and the fourth
22:32
Speaker 1: was Kernodle's boyfriend, Ethan Chapin, who was staying overnight. Authorities
22:38
Speaker 1: believe they were killed in their sleep, although some had
22:40
Speaker 1: defensive wounds. A spokesman for the Idaho State Police said
22:45
Speaker 1: a family liaison had been assigned since the beginning, with
22:49
Speaker 1: each family wanting different levels of contact. And I get
22:53
Speaker 1: that everyone's gonna grieve different, and I think that's my point.
22:57
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are focusing on mister
22:59
Speaker 1: Gonza because he's so outspoken, and some of these other families, well,
23:05
Speaker 1: they might not be that outspoken, or they might feel
23:08
Speaker 1: that things are going in the right direction. Not everybody's
23:11
Speaker 1: going to react the same in a situation like this.
23:16
Speaker 1: This is something that is unimaginable for most people, unthinkable,
23:22
Speaker 1: but this is the reality that all of these families
23:25
Speaker 1: are forced to live with now forever. And while mister
23:30
Speaker 1: Gonsalvez he might react by speaking out and doing interviews,
23:34
Speaker 1: some of the other family members they might want to
23:36
Speaker 1: grieve in private and not talk to anybody about what's
23:39
Speaker 1: going on, and all of that's okay, right, Who are
23:43
Speaker 1: we to tell anyone how to grieve. A spokesperson for
23:48
Speaker 1: the Chapin family said in a statement that they are
23:51
Speaker 1: beyond grateful for having a police liaison and that there
23:54
Speaker 1: is an ongoing and open line of communication, so we
23:57
Speaker 1: remain knowledgeable about any new happy weapenings before the public.
24:02
Speaker 1: So that's a good thing to hear, one hundred percent
24:05
Speaker 1: a good thing to hear, and for the Chapins, I
24:09
Speaker 1: am happy to hear it. They're comfortable with what's going on.
24:13
Speaker 1: They feel like they're being communicated with properly and all
24:17
Speaker 1: systems go. The Gonsalvas family has been vocal about what
24:22
Speaker 1: they perceive as poor communication during the investigation. Shannon Gray,
24:27
Speaker 1: a lawyer for the Gonsalves family, also said that while
24:30
Speaker 1: a Moscow police official sends an email to them once
24:33
Speaker 1: a day, information has fallen through the cracks. I'm sure
24:37
Speaker 1: it has and I don't know, do we really need
24:40
Speaker 1: to do the email once a day. Can't be a
24:42
Speaker 1: personalized phone call? How about a little bit more personal.
24:47
Speaker 1: We're talking about somebody's daughter here who died. I'm sure
24:50
Speaker 1: that one of these liaisons can spend twenty minutes on
24:53
Speaker 1: the phone, right. Christy Gonsalves, Kaylee's mother, told NBC's Today's
24:58
Speaker 1: Show last week that authorities never notified her first before
25:02
Speaker 1: they asked the public for tips about a white Hondai Lantra,
25:06
Speaker 1: a car police have described as a potentially critical clue.
25:10
Speaker 1: Christy Gonsalves said she found out about the vehicle from
25:13
Speaker 1: her daughter, who read about it in news articles the
25:18
Speaker 1: United States. Just found out at the same time I did,
25:21
Speaker 1: Christy Gonsalves said, adding that the investigation has her feeling
25:25
Speaker 1: left in the dark. Now, there's ways you can go
25:27
Speaker 1: about this. Right before you tell the news media, like literally,
25:31
Speaker 1: right before you tell the news media, you can tell
25:34
Speaker 1: the families, and then that mitigates some of the leaking
25:37
Speaker 1: and some of the information making its way out before
25:41
Speaker 1: it should make its way out. Following an inquiry from
25:47
Speaker 1: NBC News, Moscow police forwarded an email including the release
25:51
Speaker 1: that was sent to Gray at two twenty four pm
25:54
Speaker 1: December seventh. The spokesperson Robbie Johnson, said the email was
25:58
Speaker 1: an example of a message aimed at keeping the Gonsalvez
26:01
Speaker 1: family informed. So that's a good thing. They say they
26:05
Speaker 1: sent an email, and that's great, But what was the
26:08
Speaker 1: liaison doing. I thought each family had a liaison. How
26:11
Speaker 1: about you call so you can explain things in detail.
26:16
Speaker 1: But Gray told today that he was not sure at
26:18
Speaker 1: Moscow police are capable of handling a quadruple homicide, and
26:22
Speaker 1: if that's the case, they should turn the investigation over
26:25
Speaker 1: to someone who is more versed in handling these types
26:28
Speaker 1: of matters. Now, they're not going to do that, and
26:30
Speaker 1: they can't do that. But I just hope that everybody
26:33
Speaker 1: involved locally is very receptive to what other people with
26:37
Speaker 1: more experience are bringing to the table. I hope there's
26:40
Speaker 1: not an ego thing going on in a lot of
26:42
Speaker 1: these small districts. You'd be shocked how much of that
26:45
Speaker 1: goes on, folks. Frei told NBC News on Wednesday that
26:51
Speaker 1: his department can handle the investigation, which is getting help
26:54
Speaker 1: from dozens of state and federal agents with expertise in
26:58
Speaker 1: crime scene analysis. And DNA collection, and we know that
27:01
Speaker 1: there's sixty FBI agents on the scene now, so that's
27:05
Speaker 1: certainly a significant bump up in what they had going on.
27:09
Speaker 1: What fourteen fifteen extra agents. Now, of course we have
27:12
Speaker 1: to take into account that it could be for the
27:14
Speaker 1: holiday so they can keep people rolling in and out,
27:17
Speaker 1: or they're expanding the investigation. But he declined to speak
27:25
Speaker 1: in detail about the case or best leads, saying the
27:28
Speaker 1: police must protect the integrity of the investigation and also
27:32
Speaker 1: don't want to taint the potential jury pool if there
27:35
Speaker 1: is a trial. I don't want to hear that jury
27:36
Speaker 1: pool stuff. That's BS. I'm sorry, that's BS. The other
27:40
Speaker 1: stuff he's saying, that's factual. You protect the integrity of
27:44
Speaker 1: the investigation. You don't give out information that's going to
27:47
Speaker 1: let the killer know that you're onto them. Zero chance
27:50
Speaker 1: you do that. You want to have a nice three
27:52
Speaker 1: am raid where you kick in the door while he's
27:55
Speaker 1: laying around in his chonies, that's what you're looking to do.
27:58
Speaker 1: So the police keeping close to the vest as far
28:01
Speaker 1: as the investigation, that is exactly what they should be doing,
28:06
Speaker 1: and that's how they're gonna inevitably end up catching this person.
28:10
Speaker 1: But the jury pool stuff, come on, that is just
28:14
Speaker 1: complete nonsense, folks, complete nonsense. If they can't find the
28:19
Speaker 1: jerry in the Moscow area, move it down to Boise,
28:22
Speaker 1: or move it somewhere else, plenty of other places in Idaho.
28:26
Speaker 1: And unfortunately for the person or persons who end up
28:29
Speaker 1: getting caught for this, where can you possibly go where
28:33
Speaker 1: nobody has heard of this at this point. So that's
28:35
Speaker 1: why I feel like the whole jerry pool stuff is nonsense.
28:38
Speaker 1: And any prosecutor worth their weight is going to be
28:40
Speaker 1: able to get a decent jury selected that is going
28:45
Speaker 1: to listen to the facts and come to a conclusion
28:48
Speaker 1: based on those facts. I know that's frustrating, Fry said,
28:53
Speaker 1: it's frustrating to family members and the community. But our
28:57
Speaker 1: end goal is to bring somebody to justice for those
29:00
Speaker 1: families and for those victims. But Grace said, time will
29:03
Speaker 1: tell if the police decision to hold back certain details
29:07
Speaker 1: in the case has been the right one. Trust has earned,
29:10
Speaker 1: Gray said Wednesday, and they need to remember that because
29:13
Speaker 1: the way they have handled things so far, they haven't
29:16
Speaker 1: garnered much trust. And he's not wrong. Trust is earned.
29:20
Speaker 1: I will say this, though I'm not willing to go
29:22
Speaker 1: that far and say that they haven't handled things completely
29:26
Speaker 1: correctly this whole entire time, because besides the miscommunication, I
29:31
Speaker 1: can't really say that, but according to mister Gray, he's
29:35
Speaker 1: certainly not happy. The Gonsalvices aren't happy. We've heard from
29:39
Speaker 1: Xana's mom, she wasn't very happy, and we've also heard
29:42
Speaker 1: from Madison's stepfather. So the Chapins, they seem to be
29:47
Speaker 1: happy with what's going on. The Gonsalvices very outspoken, and
29:51
Speaker 1: then the other two families we haven't heard too much from,
29:54
Speaker 1: but they haven't been too happy when we've heard the
29:58
Speaker 1: interviews that we heard in the past. Now things might
30:00
Speaker 1: have changed, They might have had more communication opened up
30:04
Speaker 1: to them, and things might be going at a different
30:07
Speaker 1: pace for them now, and they might be content and
30:09
Speaker 1: happy with the direction of the investigation. And I think
30:13
Speaker 1: there are several camps when it comes to that. There
30:16
Speaker 1: are some people out there that trust what's going on
30:18
Speaker 1: implicitly and they believe that with the FBI involved, that
30:22
Speaker 1: there is no way that this case is not going
30:24
Speaker 1: to go solved. And then there's other people out there
30:27
Speaker 1: who are on the fence right, people that are like look,
30:29
Speaker 1: I don't know, this can go either way. We have
30:32
Speaker 1: no idea what's going to happen here, and that's kind
30:35
Speaker 1: of where I find myself. And then you have other
30:38
Speaker 1: people who are like, this case is never going to
30:40
Speaker 1: get solved. The police are absolute in competence, and they
30:44
Speaker 1: don't know their ass from their elbow, and so of
30:46
Speaker 1: course people are going to have different opinions about the
30:49
Speaker 1: way the investigation is going. But I think at the
30:52
Speaker 1: end of the day, the most important thing and one
30:54
Speaker 1: thing that everybody involved can agree on, is that people
30:57
Speaker 1: want justice here. So I hope that's some kind of
31:00
Speaker 1: can be found between the families and the law enforcement
31:03
Speaker 1: agents and that everybody can work together to get on
31:06
Speaker 1: the same page so that the person or persons can
31:09
Speaker 1: be captured and the families can begin the long process
31:13
Speaker 1: of trying to heal. All Right, folks, that's gonna do
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