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Charlie Robinson on understanding propaganda wars | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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None. Charlie Robertson, thank you for
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joining me in the trenches. Well, thanks for having me.
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I'm excited to get weird with you.
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There's so much to talk, I don't even know where we start.
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Oh my God. Well, let me start by correcting
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myself. It sounded I heard of my
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headphones. It sounded like I said,
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Robertson, it's Robinson. I apologize.
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Yeah, no, it sounded sounded good to me.
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I I have when people Google me in in America, my name is very
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similar to a country music singer.
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I'm just off it's Robeson without the N in there.
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And so sometimes people look for me and they go all I found was
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some country guy. Well, that's not.
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Me, that is great, actually. That's great for for for getting
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people into your work. You know, yeah, yeah.
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Accidentally Red Point country music fans.
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I have no idea this country singer question things.
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Right. That's funny.
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No, musically, musically untalented.
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So unfortunately, I'm, yeah, I, I always, I always look, you
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know, I always look at everybody who's, you know, musically
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gifted. It's like magic to me.
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You know, I, I, I just, I don't have that, that gift, but I, I
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certainly do appreciate it when I see it in others.
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I've got a Fender Stratocaster behind me and it's AUSA edition,
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so it was made in the States. It's one of the I, I was having
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a conversation with a friend of mine a couple of days ago that
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what actually does the US export other than, you know, propaganda
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and. The.
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CIA and. Bombs.
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Terror. Sanctions, but but Fender
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Stratocaster is one or one of those things as well as I think
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cause and, and a few other things.
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We we were going to say Apple, but then we found out that
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Apple's actually made in China. Yeah.
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And. I've got a great picture of me
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with Mark Knopfler. Speaking of Fender Stratocaster
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guitars, he made that thing popular.
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My Guitar Hero God had a chance to meet him and take a picture
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with him. Oh wow, I have an interesting
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bit of trivia about him. Although now that I've premised
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it like that, that's not given away the punchline.
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But OK, I was going to ask you, do you know what the very first
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song on MTV was? What the very first song on MTV
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ever was video killed the radio star by the Boogles his no.
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No, but we that was MTV Europe. Oh, and MTV Europe was the that
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was oh, oh, the first one on America was his.
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Yeah, it was Dire Straits. And, and you know, I was.
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Money for nothing. When I was 15, I would no, I
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must have, it was earlier than that.
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I, I was 13. I was in Australia and I and
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with my family and we were catching a flight early, early
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in the morning. There was nobody in the airport
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except us and the entire band Dire Straits and I would and it
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was on their Money for Nothing tour.
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And and the only two cassettes I had with me was Boy Joel and
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Dire Straits. And I was too chicken to go talk
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to him. I was I was too chicken to go
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around and say, hey, would you sign my cassette?
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Like, you know, and then and then like 20 years later, my
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buddy was running the Greek Theater in Los Angeles and he
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said, you want to go backstage at Mark Knopfler.
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I was like, yes. And so I saw him there and I
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said, I have to come to, I just have to come and talk to you
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because I, I chickened out when I was a kid and I didn't want to
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go through life being too, you know, having that regret.
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So if, if I ever saw you again, I was going to come up and say
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that, you know, that, that. So anyway, I went over and
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talked to him and wound up in, in, in a, in a totally insane,
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like parallel universe Rockstar conversation that accidentally
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broke out around me. Because while I was talking to
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him about, you know, just running into them in the airport
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in Australia, Jackson Brown and Bonnie Raitt walked up because
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they had been performing with him.
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And they started talking to me and Mark Knopfler.
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And I just stood there like an idiot.
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Just not, I was like, I'm just not going to say anything.
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And the four of us just kind of stood there and had a
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conversation and I walked away feeling like I had had an like
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an A mild out of body experience after that.
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And I still have the picture of me with Mark Knopfler too from
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that night. It's crazy, man.
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I just kind of like, I was like, and I called my mom afterwards.
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I was like, I just had the weirdest thing in the world
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happened. But I am now officially off the
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hook cosmically for not, you know, for chickening out when I
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was a kid. She's like, good for you.
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I need to correct myself. You were correct, I was wrong.
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I had the wrong the wrong way around.
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The first song on MTV was Video Killed Radio Star and Dire
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Straits was the first one on MTV Europe.
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Well, well, then they were, they dominated MTV America, though,
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because where I was, you couldn't get away from them.
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And it was, it was just that perfect time.
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Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah. And, and and most people don't
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know that Sting is singing back up on that.
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Yeah, a lot of people don't know that they're all mates.
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I would tell my wife like they're all mates, yeah.
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Yeah, I just, I love that that genre of music was like when I
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was a kid, you know, at the right time, you know how how
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sometimes music catches you. Sometimes there's great albums
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that you're just a little too old for and it goes over your
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head. But that one at the right time,
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that Dire Straits and, and anything really anything that
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was coming out of the UK at that time like The Smiths or The Cure
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or Pet Shop Boys, any of that like EUR, like 80s first wave
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stuff play into. It remember they love it who
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pull PIL. Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
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John Lydon. Yeah.
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Oh, he, he. Did you ever hear the interview
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that he did? He did it on a radio show and he
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was talking about Savile, Jimmy Savile, he says.
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I know what Jimmy Savile was. I know what Jimmy Savile does.
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It. Was in like the set.
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It was like 1979 I think was the interview.
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So it wasn't like after the fact, it was right when they
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were in the middle of it all and he was talking about I know who
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Jimmy Savile is. Like maybe I should maybe I, you
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know, maybe someone should do something really bad to him.
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You know, things like those like, whoa, like, I think, I
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think those guys knew what was going on in that whole scene.
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Well, funny you say that, because I think that a number of
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musicians knew and know. I'll give an example.
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I think Michael Jackson knew, and all of us got him wrong.
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Yeah, yeah. You know, you know who you know
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who set me I you, you know who set me straight on Michael
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Jackson because I was. I had him wrong as well.
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But to to be fair, I was working off of really bad information.
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That was all we see here in the States.
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But Richard Willett, who is David Ikes, director, producer,
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Rich Willett and I have talked. He said you got Michael Jackson
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all wrong. Let me explain.
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And he he sent me down a rabbit hole and Rich Willett is so far
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down that Michael Jackson rabbit hole, I can't even see his
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ankles anymore. I mean, he's, he's head first
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down there, but there's a lot more to it.
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IIA, 100% agree with you. That's a that's a really
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interesting. It's a really interesting story.
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I remember when when he when Michael Jackson died.
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I remember that day very it was a big, big Newsday.
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That was a. Well, and and now, now we're
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going to ask questions. Yeah.
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Did he just die? Exactly.
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Exactly. I mean, he knew.
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He knew he, I mean, This is why he sold his shares in Sony.
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Called Tommy Mottola the Devil. Yeah.
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And then those leaked phone calls, Yeah, but then, but not
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Charlie. The segue here.
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And this is a really, really good segue.
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How do you then filter? How do you disseminate between
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the propaganda and the actual information?
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It's like learning another language, you know?
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I, I, I, I don't speak a foreign language.
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I only speak English. But sometimes when I read the
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words of these propagandists, it's, it's like you have to kind
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of decipher the code when they talk about things a certain way.
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You get, you can get good, good at it.
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And you and you, you hear an official statement that say the
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government puts out. And in the past, I would just
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kind of look for the statement and, and listen to it and go in
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my head. And now I try to pick apart the
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way they deliver the, the, the message.
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As an example, they'll say something like sources close to
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the president's thinking said he intends to bomb Iran tomorrow.
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And you go sources close to the president's thinking, what does
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that even mean? That sounds like nonsense.
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That's, that's so it's like cross that out.
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And it's like the CIA says, you know, and so you, you start to,
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you start to recognize things like that when you're watching
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television news, you start to notice patterns.
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You start to notice not even not Even so much the information
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itself, but how it's delivered the the the the the audio tones.
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Dun Dun Dun breaking news Storm Watch 2026 Dun Dun Dun.
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You know, it's like designed to really terrify people And and I
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did some work on this with regard to the media companies
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that climate works was financing and like the weather, like just
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the local, your television news weather is being the the
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graphics that they use the map where they show the different
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colors. Those colors have all changed in
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the last 20 years. They used to be like green and
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blue and that meant like reasonable time.
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Now it's like now it's red and pink and bright red and orange
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and it's like, oh, are we on fire?
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It's like no. And then then they'll show, you
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know, then you can pull up images from 20 years ago and
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show them side by side and they're the same numbers.
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It's just with different colors. So you can see that like, oh,
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they're trying to create this sense, this narrative that like
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the earth is on fire, the climate is hotter.
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They're, you know, we we have to be more mindful of our carbon
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footprint, right? So there's like an agenda going
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on there. So I'll see.
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And like, and all of that is non verbal, right?
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It's it's not Even so much the story that they're telling you.
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It's it's the visual presentation of it.
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Then there's a good propaganda campaign and in in America,
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something happened over a decade ago, something called the Smith
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Modernization Act of 2012. And what that did was it
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modernized the old Smith Munt Act.
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And that was in 1948. It was right after World War 2.
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And the US said, all right, look, propaganda was really
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dangerous in World War Two. We saw what it did.
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We know because we did it. We're doing it to Europe and
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Japan. We were making the Japanese to
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look like monkeys. And we see how how awful that
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is. And So what we're going to do is
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we're going to say you cannot use propaganda in America on
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Americans. We'll still do it to the rest of
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the world, of course, because we're the American empire and we
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hate everybody. We were trying to conquer them,
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But to ourselves, we're not going to use it.
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And so that law stayed in effect until 2012 when Obama said, you
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know what we need to do? We need to legalize propaganda
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to be used inside America on Americans.
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And everything changed after that.
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And so now the nightly news is legally allowed to be
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propaganda. It is like any good lie, 90%
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truth, 10% lie and who knows how much omission, right?
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And there's the, the, the, the, the information that that either
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didn't make it into the story or the story that didn't make it
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onto the news. And, and, and because of this,
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it, it does, it does a couple things.
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First of all, it it just overtly propagandizes anybody who's
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watching it into believing a certain set of ideals.
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But then it also doesn't talk about stories that it rightly
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should talk about. And because people don't ever
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hear these stories, they have the faulty assumption that
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there's really not a problem out there, right?
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As an example, this is something in the states, in the in the
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medical industry that people really get vaccines are
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extremely dangerous. And anybody who talks out about
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vaccines is deemed to be a threat by the media, by the
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Pharmaceutical industry, by the government.
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And so the media never runs stories that are showing how
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dangerous vaccines are. They just never do.
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And so the vast majority of mothers or, you know, people who
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are who are getting, you know, going down that path, they're
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going, well, if if vaccines really were a problem, surely I
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would have heard about it on my nightly news.
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And since I have never seen a story about it on my nightly
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news, it's probably not a problem.
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That's the kind of it's not even an unreasonable thing to think.
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You know, you just don't ever see it talked about as being a
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problem. And so you think, well, maybe
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it's just a conspiracy. Well, no, it's actively being
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suppressed and not being allowed to be put on the on the news to
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show that side of the story because the news gets 60% of its
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ad revenue from the Pharmaceutical industry, which
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is allowed to advertise on TV in the United States and in New
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Zealand and nowhere else in the world, right?
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So, so our media is totally controlled.
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And that's the problem that that we face in in trying to come to
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an agreement on anything here in the States.
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It's like we can't even agree on the information.
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We can't even agree that this is what we're being told is the
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truth. And now, you know, it's it's
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just it's a confusing time to be paying attention because you
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don't know where to go for your news.
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It used to be the television. Now it's moved online.
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But now you look at these online, you know, independent,
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these mainstream alternative media, as David Icke would call
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them. And you go, yeah, it's online,
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but it doesn't mean it's any better than what was on TV,
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right. So.
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So you're still having to make these calculations about where
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to go for news. I have a rule of thumb and it's
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not, it's not rock, it's not rock solid, but it is a guide.
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And that is I tend to put more faith into those who have more
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to lose. So in other words, you, for
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example, have more to lose if you get things wrong because
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then I'll just stop listening to you.
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But Fox or CNN, they can make loads of mistakes and it doesn't
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affect them. They don't have skin in the
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game. Yeah, they don't.
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They don't pay a price. Yeah, with with their, their
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reputation doesn't doesn't take a hit.
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Collectively, people are so trained to go and, and, and seek
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their information in front of a television.
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It's very, it's very unusual. And, and you know, the
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television channels here do the craziest things to try to
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pretend like they're relevant. If you've ever gone through an
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airport in a major US city, they don't do it anymore.
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They'd stop doing it a couple years ago, but for like 20
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years, the televisions that would be playing as you're
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waiting to get on your airplane or as you're walking through the
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terminal somewhere, the TV's on. It would be set, set to CNN News
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and CNN. It wasn't there by accident.
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It was there because CNN paid the airports to put the
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television news on the channels paid them like millions of
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dollars a year. It depending on on how big the
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airports were and then they counted everybody that went
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through that airport. As a viewer, just so dishonest,
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just deeply, deeply dishonest. So like that's how they're like
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viewership is up. It's like you're counting the
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airport people that are hostage, that don't have a choice, that
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are, that aren't even necessarily watching the, the TV
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that's up. They're counting them.
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They're counting them as people, as viewers and they're selling
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advertising based on that. So it's like their whole, their
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whole business model is, is, is fraudulent.
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CNN tried to launch something called CNN Plus in the United
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States. They spent $250 million to do
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it. It lasted 3 entire weeks.
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Then it went off the air. They lost.
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They spent $250 million for three weeks and they just went
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nobody, nobody wants CNN for free.
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They certainly aren't looking to pay for it.
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So we have to like do a write down.
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But guess that was, I think that four years ago.
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Guess what CNN is working on right now?
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A paid service here in the United States.
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Again, they're working on another.
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One they. Will not learn.
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They cannot learn. It is and so I actually look at
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all of this as frustrating as it is as a as a good sign.
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I say keep talking. Keep talking CNN.
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You keep doing Fox News, MSNBC, Sky News, BBC, you keep talking.
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You keep lying to your audience. They're waking up to this.
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Just you guys keep doing it because that's all we have to do
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is stand back and say, as you said, I think it's a really I
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think it's a really brilliant way to look at things.
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Who's got something to lose? Yeah, if if I come out someday
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and I. And I get something wrong, which
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I do all the time and I don't address it and I don't say, oh,
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you know what guys? I, I believed that at that time,
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but I later got better information.
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I got new information. It was better than the
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information I had And I have evolved on my, I think that's, I
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think people are fine with that. I think as long as you're you're
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straight up with them and you and you, you're changing your
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mind for a reason that that's logical and fact based.
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Not because somebody's paying you obviously or not because
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somebody's threatening you. I mean, that could happen,
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right? But but as long as somebody
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works it out to you and says, you know what, I think this,
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this and that and you go, I, I can kind of see where you're
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going with it or you just straight up get something wrong
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from time to time. You know what guys?
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I got that one wrong. Sorry, I didn't, I didn't meet
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you that. I think that goes a long way
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with the audience. They don't do that.
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Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, yeah, I like Alex Jones,
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but he's entertainment and I don't think he has skin in the
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game. You know, he he can get, he does
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get loads and loads and loads of things wrong, but he's got a
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pretty big support base so it doesn't really matter that much.
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Yeah, I, I've, I've found that the guys who have who who felt
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like they had skin in the game working with Alex have left.
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Gregory's David Knight, Owen Shroyer, those guys have have
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left and, and taken a chunk of the audience because I think
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they, they kind of thought, well, hey man, you got to own
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some of this that you're getting wrong and you're not doing that.
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And now it's making me look bad because I, you know, like Owen
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Shroyer is a super great guy. Like I've met him and, and he's
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a, he's a, he's a good dude. So, and, and I, and I, you know,
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I, I, I, I think that sometimes those guys just need to peel off
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and, and do their own thing to maintain sort of where they're
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comfortable with their integrity, you know, and, and,
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and that's not necessarily where Alex is with his, I would say.
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This is the weird thing about Alex is that he gets, I think a
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lot of serious stuff right. I think, I mean, if we think
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back to 911, I think he was the first person on any kind of
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broadcasting network who actually went against the
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official narrative. I mean, he called out the thing
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very, very, very quickly, I think even on the same day.
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And then the Sandy Hook thing, I actually think that he I think
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he was largely on point and that billion dollar lawsuit is just
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theater. Totally.
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I I agree. Yeah, I I mean.
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But then I. I I yeah, but exactly.
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But then yeah. But then it goes on and off.
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But then he says stuff like they're turning the freaking
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frogs gay. Yeah, it's it's you have to
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appreciate him for for what he's done for, for the the work that
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that he did. The Sandy Hook thing.
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I'm I'm in agreement. I've I've written about it in my
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first book. I I've detailed, I just entire
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chapters on it with just bullet point after bullet point that
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people have never heard that if they if they took a look at
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that, they would go Oh my God, Oh my God, this is again.
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And that was coincide to happen right, right.
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With Smith Modernization Act 2012.
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So that was a test run for a bunch of stuff and Alex got
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railroaded on that and I think they threatened him.
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And I think that I think that there's, you know, I mean, I
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think that there's different iterations of Alex.
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It's like you, you, you, and I personally love the comedy
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component of Alex of what what it is to be the showman and do
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it and spang your fists on the table and scream about turning
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the frogs gay and all of that. Like the theater of that is
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fantastic and I appreciate it and and I can and I can
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certainly respect his, his ability to draw in a crowd of of
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viewers who are maybe sort of new to the information or maybe
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need it delivered in a way that kind of feels like professional
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wrestling and in some form or fashion.
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And they they, you know, so whatever he's doing to reach
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that crowd, I'm appreciative of that.
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But I think then there's other, I think sometimes people kind of
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graduate from that on to other things.
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And they are they they, they look for, you know, they find a
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topic that's more interesting out of all the stuff he's he's
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talking about and they find a guy that specializes in that and
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they sort of drift off and go fall.
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So so he does a lot of of starting people up.
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And my friend Sam Tripoli with the tinfoil hat, he's the same
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way he talked. He's he's like the the he's
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conspiracy lubricant. You know, he kind of gets you
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into it by by doing it in a funny way with with his, you
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know, as a stand up comedian and he brings humor into it.
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And his audience, who I know because I've I've met them out
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in public are are just a little bit more like rough around the
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edges and new to the information.
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Maybe don't have all the full retention.
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They maybe understand some of it, but they're enthusiastic and
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they're, they want to know more. And I think it's, I think
25:53
there's a little bit, you know, there's a little bit for
25:55
everybody, wherever you are on your conspiracy journey, you
25:59
know, they're the, everyone's kind of waking up at different
26:01
stages. And for some people it was 911
26:04
and some people it was JFK, you know, and, and for for others,
26:07
maybe a new generation, it's COVID and everything that's come
26:11
in the aftermath of that, or maybe it's Gaza.
26:13
And that's waking people up too. And they're going, oh boy, like,
26:16
wait a second. Our government isn't acting in
26:19
our best interest here. And we're starting to do some
26:21
things that I don't feel very good about.
26:23
And so like, wherever you are in that awakening, there's some
26:27
content out there that you know, can grab your attention.
26:32
And Alex is Alex has been that for a long, long time.
26:35
And, and, and so I appreciate him for the work that he's done
26:39
over the years, for the entertainment that he's brought
26:41
and, and all of that. But I, I fully understand that,
26:44
he said. Wall at some point, you know?
26:47
I think he's the only, he's the only guy out there who in the
26:51
year 2026 can can stand in front of a camera and go, what I'm
26:57
about to tell you, come closer and the camera goes closer.
27:07
You could only do that in the 1980s.
27:10
It's just great. I mean, I, I appreciate the
27:13
showmanship of it all. My friend does this show called
27:17
our Big Dumb mouth, our OBDM. And in that they do that show
27:22
twice a week. And on the Wednesdays they do a
27:24
segment called Alex Jones clips of the week.
27:26
And they've got some fan who listens all week long to every
27:30
Alex Jones episode and cuts like just the funniest parts and
27:34
strings them together on a like a compilation of the day.
27:36
And they just run them back-to-back.
27:38
And I mean, when you hear it broken down like that, you
27:41
realize he just has four hours where he is saying crazy things
27:46
and the totally disjointed, you know, when they put it together
27:49
in in a in these run on non sequiturs, it's extra funny.
27:53
So yeah, I appreciate Alex for for what he is, But but I also,
27:58
I also hope that people will understand that there's others
28:02
out there that have a more detailed or maybe less biased
28:08
opinion on some events that aren't really.
28:11
Yeah, I mean, he's very, he's very pro Trump.
28:14
Yeah, yeah. And he thinks that Trump is
28:18
bringing down the deep state. Oh yeah, I'm sorry, I forgot.
28:24
He's just, he's just getting he's just, he's just getting the
28:27
deep state. Yeah, as he partners with them
28:30
and does in bombs countries and sub smithereens.
28:34
And it's so disgusting. I don't know.
28:37
I don't know how you can. I don't know how.
28:38
That's the thing that's frustrating about anybody who's
28:42
been doing this for a long time. It's like, can't you even if you
28:47
liked Donald Trump a whole lot, can't you at least be objective
28:51
and say there's some maybe I like what he's doing, but not
28:56
how he's doing it? Can we at least agree on that?
28:59
It's like, no, so many people are just no, it's either he's
29:03
doing everything right or you. What did you want?
29:06
Kamala Harris? It's like, God, no.
29:09
But like, can we at least discuss like the tactics, the
29:13
image, you know, the, the the, the way this is shown to the
29:17
rest of the world. We look like monsters.
29:19
This is crazy. What are we doing here?
29:21
So, and I think it's important that, you know, I think
29:25
something that doesn't get brought up and I tried to do
29:27
this any any time I'm I'm speaking with people outside of
29:31
the United States, it's just to remind people like, hey, this is
29:35
the American government that is doing this.
29:38
It's not Americans. Like none of us, nobody that I
29:41
know wants this. This is not, this is gross and
29:44
disgusting Empire. I wrote a book with Jeff Berwick
29:47
called The Controlled Demolition of the American Empire.
29:50
I mean, we are in favor of the American empire going going
29:53
away. Yeah, Jeff, we, we, we are, we
29:57
are no cheerleaders here. I'll hold it up for you.
30:00
We are no cheerleaders for the American empire in any way,
30:05
shape or form. It's disgusting.
30:08
And I just want me, I want to make sure that, you know, I and
30:11
I try to do the same thing when I'm talking about the behavior
30:14
of the state of Israel. I'm also saying I understand
30:17
it's not everybody who lives in Israel that feels, you know, the
30:20
same way as their government, much in the same way that and
30:23
that there's not not, not everybody in America feels the
30:26
same way about our bloodthirsty, psychopathic government.
30:28
No, we're looking at it the same way you're looking at it and
30:31
going, this is disgusting. What are we doing?
30:35
Why are we murdering people on behalf of our greatest ally in
30:40
the Middle East? I mean, we we see what's going
30:43
on. A lot of Americans can see
30:44
through it, but it's such a gigantic machine controlled by
30:50
external forces that we just don't have any say in it.
30:53
This Oh, you can vote your way out of it.
30:55
No, we cannot, we cannot do that.
30:58
We're we're, we're, we're, we're not as, we're not as we're more
31:04
helpless than we would like to think that unfortunately that's,
31:07
that's the, the reality. And Americans like to think
31:09
we're very independent. We don't need anybody and we're
31:12
good. We're about to be not good and
31:16
and it's it's in and I don't know if if people understand
31:19
like where things are headed, but it's it's it's a very weird
31:24
time. My country is the only is the
31:28
only one that attempted to hold Israel accountable, as you might
31:32
know, and although nothing will come of that of that proceeding,
31:38
it's nonetheless symbolic. But why is Israel America's
31:43
quote UN quote biggest ally? I don't get it.
31:49
Well, they are. They have terrified the
31:56
government structure. They were, So it started in 1963
32:03
when they were behind the murder of an American president in
32:08
broad daylight and pinned it on a guy and got away with it and
32:12
nobody ever talked about it. And, and once you do that and
32:17
once you are, you participate in the attacking of on a false flag
32:23
event, attacking the USS Liberty and you get away with that.
32:28
I almost don't blame the control group from Israel that has taken
32:37
control of the United States. I almost don't blame them for
32:39
feeling that they're untouchable because they've been able to
32:44
pull off some pretty amazing feats and nobody's held them
32:48
accountable for it. Then you, you wind up getting
32:50
into 911. You understand what happened
32:53
with that. And that was a joint venture
32:54
between a faction of the American government and faction
32:58
of the Israeli government in conjunction with the Saudis and
33:01
Pakistani intelligence. And you go, oh, hang on a
33:05
second, wait a second, if they can take down to buildings,
33:10
three buildings in lower Manhattan and blame it on with.
33:16
Two planes. With two planes with and blame
33:22
it on a bunch of guys in caves in Afghanistan we're really
33:27
screwed. You know I think for some people
33:29
the light bulb went off at that moment and they thought this is
33:32
a brazen attack on US soil by a group that is disguised itself
33:38
as being somebody else. And we are now setting about to
33:41
reimagine the Middle East because of this.
33:44
And then you get the the memo, the seven countries in five
33:47
years and you start to go America's foreign policy is
33:50
actually Israel's foreign policy.
33:52
And this is this is, it's when when people come to this
33:55
realization, it it it's been it's always been very suppressed
34:00
in the last several years. It's become undeniable.
34:04
And what's happened is that with what's going on in Gaza, it's
34:07
freed people up to talk about their criticisms of the Israeli
34:11
military. And in doing that, you saw how
34:15
the Israeli government responded to that social media attacks,
34:19
buying TikTok, doing things like that.
34:22
Even people that were sort of on the fence and not really
34:25
carrying one way or another saw that.
34:27
And they went, this is kind of crazy behavior.
34:30
Now. If you you can't even talk about
34:31
Israel and TikTok, they'll just ban your account.
34:34
So you go, oh, OK, so you know, the lady doth protest too much,
34:39
methinks. You know, they're they're just
34:40
out here talking about how they're certainly not
34:43
manipulating public opinion and doing all this stuff.
34:46
And it's it's having the exact opposite effect in America.
34:51
I've never seen it. So I, I almost, I've never seen
34:56
people feel so comfortable talking about their criticism of
35:00
the Israeli government as they are right now.
35:03
Still not, it's still not directed at Jewish people or the
35:08
Jewish religion. Still, as far as I can see, you
35:13
know, with, without the exception of some people, of
35:15
course, but the the bulk of it has has really been just
35:19
directed at they just want the military to stop and they want
35:23
the government to tell the military to stop, right.
35:25
But it it's not, it's not taking, it's not like spreading
35:29
into like now we have a problem with your culture too, right?
35:33
It hasn't gotten to that point yet, but.
35:34
But. So that's where we are sort of
35:36
in the awakening inside the United States, which is
35:39
something I never thought I would see.
35:41
And it's happening with the younger generation.
35:43
The baby boomers don't get it yet.
35:45
They still fiercely defend Israel and watch Fox, Fox News
35:49
and our Christian Zionists. And they buy the whole story.
35:51
They'll never figure it out. But they're dying off.
35:54
And that younger generation that's moving forward is going.
35:57
We don't like your behavior with Gaza.
35:59
And we have some questions about some of the other stuff.
36:02
And then they're finding videos and they're going, yeah, what
36:04
about 911? And it's like, uh oh.
36:12
When did you have your Damascus moment?
36:18
In 2003, when the American government was trying to make
36:26
the case through the media to the American people that we
36:30
needed to invade Iraq because Saddam Hussein had weapons of
36:39
mass. Destruction.
36:39
What was that girl's name? Naraya, Naraya, yeah, that was
36:46
she was a she she was a that was that was actually the first that
36:53
was that was the first Gulf War, though.
36:55
That was the one that happened in in the 1991 they took the
37:02
babies out of the incubator. But you but again, back-to-back
37:04
to the point of propaganda, they were doing it back then, you
37:07
know, trying to sell you into into a war.
37:10
But what really did it for me and I and by the way, when they
37:12
were doing that, the first Gulf War, I was a freshman in
37:15
college. And so I was thinking, am I
37:18
going to get drafted? Am I going to have to go fight
37:21
in some? I mean, we didn't have a draft,
37:23
but are they going to institute a draft?
37:25
And are we college freshmen who are like 18 years old?
37:29
Are we going to be, we're the first ones to get drafted into
37:32
this if they do it, like, are we going to have to fight this?
37:34
So it was on my radar. I do remember watching that.
37:37
I do remember that war being the first war that was really
37:40
televised in 1990, January of 1991.
37:44
And CNN was a part of that. And they were showing like, you
37:47
know, Peter Arnett and, and some other guys, they were in the in
37:53
this hotel and they were seeing anti aircraft fire and tracers
37:58
and bombs are going off and sirens and you're like, holy
38:00
shit, this is like a real war. And, and they're, they're under
38:03
the beds and they're reporting from under the, I mean, it was
38:06
crazy. And you go, oh, this is, this is
38:08
a, an actual war. So in 2000 and three, 911 had
38:15
happened. I lived through that.
38:16
I watched that like on the couch with my roommates.
38:19
I was in my late 20s and didn't understand what was going on
38:25
till two years later when they started to try and sell the Iraq
38:28
war. And they talked about weapons of
38:30
mass destruction. And I thought, this sounds kind
38:33
of dumb to me. But then they said, you know,
38:36
well what they said, why do we have to get Saddam Hussein?
38:39
They said, well, you know, 911 too.
38:43
And I went, what? Come on now, it's 911.
38:47
Like that was like that feels like I don't have any other
38:51
answers. Let's just say 911 because then
38:53
you'll then you'll then you'll go along with it.
38:55
So right then I knew they're lying about this.
38:58
There's no reason to go into Iraq.
39:00
We don't need to be doing this. And of course we did go in and
39:05
we killed him. I said we not, not me.
39:08
I didn't the the American empire, not my idea.
39:11
I didn't do it. The American empire went in and
39:14
killed 1,000,000 Iraqis and they used depleted uranium that gives
39:17
multi generational birth defects and, and they, and they just did
39:21
unspeakable things and they stole their gold and they robbed
39:25
their museums and they did the, the, the, the shitty things that
39:28
we are told only other countries do because they're third world
39:33
savages and we're so much better than everyone else.
39:36
We wouldn't ever just loot the the country as well.
39:38
Well, we did that and as a, as a nation and it was disgusting.
39:41
And so I had, I watched that and I and, and it was just one of
39:46
those things like if this is a lie, what else is a lie?
39:50
You know, what if, if this is a lie and they're using 9/11 as
39:53
the justification, what else is like?
39:54
And right about that time you start to get introduced to
39:58
things like the movie loose change.
40:01
You start to start hearing about Alex Jones or David Icke and and
40:05
and and and you start to. You know, you have questions and
40:10
they have some potential answers here.
40:12
And so you you start to go down that path.
40:15
And so that's what it did it for me in 2003.
40:19
But that was only like the that was only just a small part of
40:24
the puzzle. It wasn't until 2007 I was on a
40:29
trip, I was just getting ready to go on a 10 day trip to
40:34
Thailand to go scuba diving. I was so excited and my friend
40:38
said take this book and he just handed he goes, you will like
40:41
this book. And I read it while I was on on
40:44
a dive boat and it was confessions of an economic
40:47
Hitman by John Perkins and it changed my entire he was on my
40:54
show too great. I mean, and I've told him this
40:57
multiple times, like, hey, you know, like that was the light
41:01
bulb moment for me. It was because in, in the reason
41:04
was because I was working in Las Vegas in real estate and it was
41:09
the second hottest market in the world, second only to Dubai.
41:14
And it and, and, and we were given loans to people that we're
41:18
give it, We'll give a 30 year loan to a 90 year old man, You
41:22
know what I mean? Like they didn't matter.
41:23
Like giving loans to people that were making $10.00 an hour to
41:26
buy a house that was $400,000 should just, you could tell it
41:32
was going to be a catastrophe, right?
41:34
And I, and I knew things were going to end badly in, in, in
41:39
with the loans. But I had no idea that what John
41:45
Perkins was talking about of countries borrowing money from
41:52
the World Bank in the IMF and and them loaning money to
41:56
countries that can't afford it for projects that aren't ever
42:00
really going to pencil out. Like a hydroelectric power plant
42:03
that they say is going to generate this much revenue, pay
42:07
itself off in 20 years. But you fall behind in the
42:10
payments to these predatory global bankers and they start
42:14
extracting things from you, like privatize your lumber industry
42:18
and sell it to our friends or vote our way in a UN resolution,
42:22
or let the US put a military base there.
42:25
Some bad deal, right, that some country gets themselves into
42:28
because they fell into a debt trap.
42:30
And I'm thinking to myself, this is what we're doing to these
42:34
poor bastards that are buying houses because I work for a big
42:37
national builder and we had a mortgage department who would
42:40
get anybody qualified. You know, I was like, oh, this
42:43
is bad. Like they're going to lose their
42:45
house. Like they're, you know, and I
42:47
was and, and I was told, what do we care?
42:49
We're not even sitting on the loan the day after they closed.
42:53
We're packaging it all up and selling it to Wall Street.
42:56
And I was like, oh, so diffused responsibility, right?
42:59
Nobody felt bad about this. And I didn't understand the
43:02
finance. And then everything collapses
43:05
and then I had to learn about money, you know, And so it was
43:08
like John Perkins book, you know, the, the, the, the sales
43:13
pitch for the Iraq war that we shouldn't have had.
43:15
And then living through that real estate collapse in Las
43:19
Vegas, in, in America in general, but Las Vegas in in
43:23
particular where I was where everything just crashed and
43:27
working in the business and not being able to see the big
43:31
picture. I just felt so incredibly
43:33
stupid, you know? And I lost 2 houses and, and I
43:37
just was like, how do I not ever feel this dumb again?
43:46
Like, how do I, how do I not be the sucker at the card game, you
43:49
know? And so I just under, I was like,
43:52
I don't think I understand what money is.
43:54
I don't really think I get it. And that kind of leads you down
43:57
like Mike Maloney's secrets to money, money magic or whatever.
44:02
And you go, Oh my God. And then the Creature from
44:04
Jekyll Island by G Edward Griffin, who's you know who who,
44:11
you know, flashed forward 10 years later, He's sitting next
44:13
to me on a flight to Mexico and we're going to speak at an
44:15
Arcapulco. You know, I'm like, I read your
44:17
book. It changed my life, you know, I
44:19
mean, so having so it's been incremental, you know, it's like
44:23
the one big lie that kind of woke me up was was 911, you
44:28
know, but it didn't happen on 9/11.
44:31
It took a little bit, it took a little bit of time.
44:34
And then that made made me think if this is a lie, what else is a
44:38
lie? And after that you just, you
44:40
just go. I think if I were to answer that
44:44
question, I remember in the late 90s I read 1 of David Icke's
44:49
books, I think it was called Children of the Matrix, and I
44:55
was kind of into it for a while. BO2.
44:59
And then, you know, then I went back to Normanville and 9/11
45:06
happened and I thought that was legit.
45:09
And I think around 2009, I watched a documentary called The
45:14
Great Global Warming Swindle. And that was when I started
45:18
wondering about the global warming thing.
45:20
I think that was my catalyst. And then I got into it and I
45:25
stumbled across a whole bunch of sort of dissident scientists.
45:28
And then I realized, wait a minute, this global warming
45:30
thing is, is, is is nonsense. And then it took years and years
45:35
and years before I started thinking about other stuff and
45:39
questioning other stuff. Maybe even a decade.
45:41
And I think only around 2018 or 2019 before, before COVID, did I
45:49
start thinking about stuff like, did did NASA tell the truth?
45:54
You know, did did those guys really play golf up there?
45:57
That NASA was was was one for me as well.
46:01
My mother told me that I was named after Charlie Duke, one of
46:04
the astronauts from some mission.
46:07
I was like, I don't know. And I would tell her about it.
46:12
You know, that whole moon thing is is totally fake.
46:15
She goes, I don't want to know all about that.
46:18
I was like, I know I'll let you have your moon story, but I'm
46:21
going to you know, everything else.
46:23
I'm going to red pill you on the moon.
46:25
One was was was a tough one. It's a it's a tough one for me
46:29
because. Well, it is a tough one.
46:33
Yeah, Yeah. It just because if, even if you
46:37
just try to be as objective as possible, you say, well, how
46:43
come everything else in the world, the technology gets
46:47
better, better, better, easier, easier, easier.
46:49
And yet with this one, we supposedly went 69 through 72.
46:54
I was born in 72, so I know how long ago that was.
46:57
And we just never bothered to go back.
47:00
We just said, ah, it's fine. That doesn't sound that's
47:03
incompatible with logic. You burn the telemetry tapes,
47:07
you would never do that. They talked about how they
47:09
recorded over. I mean I have in my Octopus of
47:13
global control book they put on 20/17.
47:15
I have a for the NASA thing. I just, it was easier for me to
47:20
just put bullet points because there were so many holes in
47:24
their story. It's just pages of bullet points
47:26
and I actually it, it because there's so many flaws in it and
47:32
I'd love to believe it's great, great story, especially, you
47:36
know, Americans have this whole thing about like first go to the
47:39
moon and all that exceptionalism and, and it's a it's, it's a
47:46
great sales pitch and it and, and I and I believe maybe it's a
47:50
good idea to have things to aspire to, but this idea that
47:54
we're exceptional, we're exceptional storytellers.
47:57
That is 100% true. We've told a very big.
48:01
Story. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
48:03
Yeah, hold on, hold on. I don't, I think that's not, I
48:07
don't think that's fair. You, you don't need to kick
48:10
yourself like that. I mean, I think the US is pretty
48:13
great in many ways. And I think a lot of the
48:17
criticism is levelled not at Americans, but at the state and
48:23
the state infrastructure. Yeah, the, the, the American
48:30
people, you know, there's a segment of them who understand
48:36
what's going on and, and they see through this and, and
48:39
they're, and they're, you know, frustrated and ready to do
48:45
something and, and, and, and, and, and.
48:49
But, you know, unfortunately there isn't, there's a much
48:52
larger segment of the American public who have had their brains
48:56
turned off recently and they're just not able to think for
49:01
themselves. And they're talked about this
49:06
in, in. I had a great quote in my
49:08
Octopus book from Doctor Russell Blaylock, who's a neurosurgeon.
49:12
He was talking about why governments exist.
49:15
It's funny because he, he works on brains, but he, but he, he
49:18
also knows a thing or two about governments and, and, and he, he
49:21
was talking about how the vast majority of people are stuck in
49:26
this malaise. You know, the bulk of the
49:29
population, they're, they're unable to, to excel at anything.
49:35
And the state needs that they, they, they, they, they don't
49:39
discourage that. They, they need that population
49:42
because that population needs them.
49:44
And, and he says, and then there's a, then there's a small
49:47
segment of Society of higher IQ that that's elevated above that
49:52
can see a much bigger picture because of the way that they're,
49:56
you know, they're just, they, they're able to see that and
50:00
they can, they can see what else is the, everything that's going
50:03
on. But he said that there's,
50:04
there's just a large group that they're never going to get it
50:08
and they're only going to do what they're told to do and
50:10
they're going to be told to do that by the state.
50:11
And and so this, you know, it's like a mutually parasitic
50:14
relationship. The state remains relevant as
50:17
long as they take care of these people.
50:20
These people get handouts and but they're not allowed to
50:25
really have much of A thought. They just do what they're told
50:29
because it's contingent upon the handout.
50:30
So, so they're happy to get free stuff.
50:34
They didn't really have many thoughts anyway.
50:37
They don't really care if the government controls their
50:39
thoughts because they weren't doing much thinking.
50:41
And the government gets an obedient class of people that
50:46
they can tell what to do and they'll they'll do it for them.
50:50
So they all get something out of this situation.
50:52
But it's very frustrating to be in the small minority that can
50:55
see what's going on because you want to I.
50:58
Think it was. Yeah, I think it was Yuri
51:03
Besmanov. I think it was ironically the
51:05
year 1984 where he did a interview in the States with G
51:09
Edward Griffin and in it he spoke about how the US was
51:14
imploding without even a bullet being fired.
51:19
Four steps to ideological subversion.
51:22
Yeah. And he and he and he talks about
51:25
that. You know, the first stage is is
51:30
demoralization, 5 year campaign destruction for the next 15 to
51:36
20 years. You basically it takes a
51:41
generation. He says.
51:42
If I get, you know, give me control of them for a
51:45
generation, I can I can change the way they think.
51:47
Now. The irony is that he's from when
51:53
that video was recorded with G Edward Griffin, who is who the
51:57
great author from Creature from Jekyll Island having those
52:01
amazing conversations with him. They had enough time to run it
52:04
twice and probably have, you know, and I think a case can be
52:09
made that the American public is demoralized.
52:12
I mean, they've thrown their hands up and given up on a lot
52:16
and, and, and, and it was happening for a long time.
52:20
But, but, but COVID really did it.
52:22
I mean, it really broke a bunch of people and they're in and
52:25
some people are and, and that goes to step 3IN in Yuri's four
52:29
step plan for, for ideological subversion is that step three
52:35
introduce a crisis. It must last six weeks.
52:38
But after that time, he said, I can quote, shower them with
52:41
authentic information. It won't change their mind.
52:44
They've been demoralized. So he talks about how it's
52:47
permanent for some people. If you introduce that crisis,
52:51
you break them because in his in in his world, you know, coming
52:56
out of the Soviet Union, that was, you know, what do we do?
52:59
Do we put tanks on every corner, you know, or do we, or do we do
53:03
this non violently just through mind control and and and and and
53:10
drab architecture, brutalist architecture and you know, bread
53:13
lines and things like that. Can we can we just demoralize
53:16
the hell out of the population to get them to just give up?
53:20
Because if we do, then we own them, we can control them, but
53:24
they're not going to be worth damn.
53:26
They're but but they'll do exactly what you want them to
53:28
do, but they're not going to be they're not going to be great.
53:30
This is end of empire behavior where we are right now.
53:33
It's it's, it's the feels like the end.
53:36
The sad thing though is, and I can't help it, but this is, this
53:40
is the reality is here. So I'm on the African continent,
53:44
right, as you know, and we don't really have much to offer, OK.
53:47
So we can certainly talk about everything that is useless here,
53:51
right? We have broken infrastructure,
53:52
high crime. I mean, it's a complete mess.
53:55
But even on top of that, when people here talk about
54:01
Americans, they don't speak about Americans in high regard.
54:05
We are a deeply unserious country these days.
54:09
Yeah, and, and, and we see it too.
54:13
I mean, I see it. I, I, I'm, I'm not proud of the
54:16
image of the United States of the Empire and the military and
54:21
all of that. I'm not proud of the image of
54:24
the United States socially. It's just dummies who are just
54:28
consumers who do. That image exists for a reason.
54:32
It's true. You know, there is a lot of
54:35
that. I wish it, I wish it wasn't the
54:37
case. I wish I could say, oh, that's
54:39
all just the media. Yeah, unfortunately there is a
54:44
segment of that. It's not everybody.
54:46
It's not great. Doesn't look good.
54:48
We I'm not proud of that. But I also know that, you know,
54:53
if they're not talking about me and I'm, I mean, you know, we're
54:56
we're we're, but, but the average person in the United
55:00
States is very much captured by the media.
55:03
They they are captured by trends.
55:06
They, they get on these weird trends, you know, that you just
55:11
kind of shake your head. We're, we're very.
55:15
The problem is this is the problem with the general
55:21
American viewpoint is we're very arrogant but misinformed, which
55:30
is the worst, because we're loud and stupid at the same time,
55:36
which is like, you go like be 1, like it's OK if you're wrong
55:41
because we all get things wrong. But don't, don't be loud about
55:46
it. You know, like we, we, we, we're
55:49
very it, it's propaganda. I mean, it's propaganda on us.
55:55
We, we are taught that. I'll, I'll give you an example
55:58
of, of, of, of it happening to me.
56:01
And it just made me want to scream.
56:03
I was working in Las Vegas and I was selling a high rise, a high
56:08
rise condo building that was going to be built in Las Vegas.
56:12
And we were going all over the world to talk to people about
56:15
it. China, Hong Kong, LA, Miami,
56:19
Chicago. And we're in New York.
56:22
And I just got done doing a presentation for all these
56:25
brokers. And we're in the cocktail party
56:28
afterwards where we're talking, we're schmooze and we're trying
56:30
to make deals with brokerages that can help us sell our units
56:37
in Las Vegas. And this lady says to me, she
56:41
was like European and, but living in New York.
56:45
And she says, I need, she goes, I, I need more.
56:50
And I go, how so? And she goes, I, I need more.
56:54
And I go more what, you know, talking about the building.
56:57
And she goes, I don't know, I just need more.
57:00
I go, I OK, well, more what? She goes, you know, just more
57:03
everything. And and I go, OK, well, I, I
57:05
need to know what that means. She goes, look.
57:07
She goes, look, I just don't know how else to say this.
57:09
If it's not happening in New York, it's not happening.
57:12
And she walked away. And I was like, Oh my God, the
57:17
arrogance made me want to just like recoil.
57:21
So like, if that is the perception that America is
57:26
giving off to the rest of the world, like, like that is
57:31
disgusting, OK. And, and I had that done to me
57:35
in New York and, and I would. And so I see that as like, boy,
57:39
I wish the, you know, the people that I know, the people that I
57:44
hang out with and interact with in the in the United States see
57:48
what's going on. We're rightly disgusted about
57:51
it. We understand that we don't have
57:52
as much control as we think we have.
57:54
We can talk about it, we can get the message out to people and we
57:57
do. But in terms of like, is there a
58:00
political solution? No.
58:03
Are we going to be able to reach everybody and convince them that
58:06
it's all like, no, there's some people that you just, you're not
58:09
going to, you're not going to get to.
58:11
So, you know, we, we see the flaws, you know, we, we're still
58:15
smiling and laughing and we're still good and, and everything's
58:18
going to be fine. And we're going to, we're going
58:20
to make sure that we get our audiences to, to not, you know,
58:26
doom and gloom about anything that's going on.
58:29
Like be honest, be, be reasonable about what you see.
58:33
Come in like be prepared, be proactive, but don't, don't be
58:38
scared and don't act like, you know, you know, I don't, I don't
58:45
subscribe to the Alex Jones scare the hell out of people to
58:49
get them to do things. I, I, I, I would love for people
58:52
to be informed about what's going on.
58:54
And maybe that's scary, but you know, but just be informed and
58:59
but then say, what can I do to be less susceptible?
59:03
Like be proactive, start thinking about your bank
59:07
situation, right? I think everybody should relate
59:10
to that. Anybody that that is worried
59:13
about that, like get have yourself some storable food in,
59:16
in the, you know, I don't know, have yourself some gold and
59:19
silver, like, I don't know, do something to make yourself a
59:22
little bit more resilient. And in doing that, you go, Oh, I
59:25
feel less fearful. And so I think that I think
59:27
there's ways to approach this where we can, we can see the
59:31
wheels coming off, but we don't have to scare everybody about
59:34
it. You can do it in a way that's
59:35
like informative, but not overly dramatic and three theatrical,
59:41
like we're all going to die. You got to get your storable
59:43
food today at infowarsstore.com or something like I don't, I
59:47
don't really want to do that. I I do have a storable food
59:50
sponsor and I'll be like, go there and get food, but also it
59:53
just go to the grocery store and get extra food.
59:55
You know, like do that too, like you don't have to.
59:58
There's solutions here. I think if we, I think if we
1:00:01
get, if we come at it with like a solution mindset, all these
1:00:05
big, big problems, they seem less scary because you're doing
1:00:08
something about it and then doing something you just make
1:00:11
you're just in a different mindset and just it's way more
1:00:14
positive. Well, so as a foreigner, I'm
1:00:19
aware that the US is, I believe this year, 250 years old.
1:00:24
And my hope is that Americans will pull themselves together
1:00:29
because whether the world likes it or not, the US is still a
1:00:32
powerhouse. And although countries like
1:00:35
China are getting stronger, and that's great because competition
1:00:38
is a good thing, it holds other countries accountable.
1:00:41
I would hate to see the US implode.
1:00:46
Yeah, it would be a bad sign to to the rest of the world.
1:00:50
I, I, I hope that, you know, we, we have a, we have a nation that
1:00:57
has a, a drug problem, not the kind of drugs that most people
1:01:00
think we have a prescription drug problem.
1:01:02
Most of most Americans are very unhealthy physically.
1:01:06
And when you're unhealthy physically, it affects your
1:01:08
mind. It fix your ability to, to
1:01:10
function properly and to understand what's going on.
1:01:13
It's it, it's, it's a, it's a really dark cycle.
1:01:16
And you know, most Americans are on multiple prescription drugs
1:01:21
and that is not a recipe for health.
1:01:23
So, you know, I think that we need to, we need to be honest
1:01:28
about where, where we have drifted to over the, the 250
1:01:33
years since America has been a country and, and, and, and look
1:01:38
in the mirror like, you know, like you do when the new year
1:01:41
comes and you go, I might need to make some health decisions.
1:01:45
I mean, that need to make some different choices in the new
1:01:47
year. I think America is in that boat.
1:01:49
We need, we need to make some different choices and we need to
1:01:52
stop being the world's policeman and in this empire mentality of
1:01:57
having 1000 military bases around the world and, and, and
1:02:01
the petrodollar arrangement seems very fragile these days.
1:02:04
And and and I wonder what that will will will look like in a
1:02:07
multi polar world with bricks, which of course you guys are
1:02:10
part of and how that how that works as a balance and and and
1:02:13
what that is that just two drunken lunatics at the same
1:02:17
party or. I think it's a scam.
1:02:20
I think it's a. Scam.
1:02:21
Yeah, but it might be just a scam too.
1:02:23
You know, the two factions of the world, New World Order
1:02:27
plotting to come together at some point.
1:02:28
I don't know. But but there's there's a for
1:02:31
once, there seems to be a bit of a balance on America's
1:02:37
aspirations internationally, which is good, good in that
1:02:41
regard. I and you know, we would love we
1:02:45
in America would love for the United States to be a priority
1:02:48
for once. We're not everybody else is is
1:02:51
where the money goes elsewhere. It goes to Israel, goes to NATO,
1:02:55
it goes to subsidizing oil companies, it goes to
1:02:59
transgender research in Uganda. I mean, it goes everywhere, but
1:03:03
where we need, we need it and we need it.
1:03:05
And and that's, that's another part of the demoralization is
1:03:08
that people living in America are going, we need help.
1:03:12
And the American government is saying yes, but let me tell you
1:03:15
first about Israel. And it's like God, you know,
1:03:18
it's like, it's so, so, so it's, it's tough to keep that going.
1:03:22
And and so, you know, I've never seen America this divided.
1:03:29
I don't think that's a good thing.
1:03:31
It, it does set the, the possibility that that that, you
1:03:35
know, that that something unusual could happen here.
1:03:40
And the social engineers are trying to to, to talk that into
1:03:43
existence. A lot of talk about civil war.
1:03:47
We should look at your country to understand, like, what
1:03:50
happens when you allow things like that to come into
1:03:53
existence, you know? Hey, hang on, hang on, hang on,
1:03:55
hang on. Our country is an example of of
1:03:59
what not to do. And Europe, Europe had better be
1:04:03
watching very closely because in 20 years time the entire
1:04:08
continent of Europe or the way of Western Europe is going to
1:04:11
look like us. Yeah, it's been, it's been sad
1:04:15
to watch that. But there's still, there's still
1:04:19
beautiful stuff like we have amazing wildlife.
1:04:23
Yes, yeah, yeah. My wife has been, I don't know,
1:04:27
3 or 4 times over the course of her life and to South Africa to.
1:04:33
To South Africa. So far, Oh yeah, yeah.
1:04:37
Travel travel industry family. You know.
1:04:41
They're all over. They wind.
1:04:41
Up. Have you been?
1:04:43
Have you been? I have not been, I've been to
1:04:46
the only time I've been on the African continent was Cairo.
1:04:49
So you know it's. Sort of.
1:04:50
Well, that's on. I mean, that's technically,
1:04:53
technically Africa, but I don't, right?
1:04:56
It it doesn't count in my in my mind, I always think that's
1:04:59
Middle East. It's not, it's not.
1:05:01
It's already Africa, no? I'd really like, I'd really like
1:05:05
to go, I'd really like to go for, you know, for, for, for
1:05:10
the, for the nature, for the animal component.
1:05:12
I would, I would love to. It's on my, it's on my list.
1:05:15
You know, obviously I'm, I'm a, I'm a, you know, I've got that
1:05:19
travelling bug though, so I buy it.
1:05:20
A, my mother was a, was a Pan Am international, Pan Am flight
1:05:25
attendant out of New York in the 60s, back when it was cool when
1:05:29
you'd go everywhere. And, and that's actually kind of
1:05:31
how I first started to, to get into to, you know, learning
1:05:36
about what was going on around the world was, was finding the
1:05:39
places on the map where my mom had gone and, and asking her
1:05:41
questions about what it was like back then.
1:05:44
You know what's the most beautiful city in the world?
1:05:46
Where? Where It was the most beautiful
1:05:47
place she'd ever been. That didn't take that.
1:05:50
That was a universal answer. Beirut.
1:05:52
Most beautiful city I've ever been.
1:05:54
That's what she said till the till those, till those she said,
1:05:56
till those bastards bombed it. I was like, whoa, OK Mom.
1:06:02
How can my audience follow you? Macro aggressions, obviously.
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I do an interview on Sundays. I do AI do a monologue on
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you can listen to my intro. You'll you'll know if you're in
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1:07:34
But listen, yeah, well, before you go, Charlie, I'm going to
1:07:38
have a bit of a boxing match here with you because I'm, I'm
1:07:41
going to make the argument that my intro is the best.
1:07:46
OK. All right.
1:07:49
We're going to have, we're going to have a face off.
1:07:51
This is this is this is what I am here for.
1:07:54
That that is, that's good. I, I, this is going to raise,
1:07:58
we're going to raise both, both boats here.
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So my audience, I'm going to have my audience go check out
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your intro and you have your audience check out my intro and
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then we'll have a dance off or something.
1:08:10
Thank you for joining me in the trenches.
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Thanks for having me.