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Game Cancellations are Breaking Fans and Killing the Industry · Boss Rush Podcast - A Podcast about Video Games

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  I've got this crazy train rolling.
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  Hello, everyone, welcome to the Bossers podcast.
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  Great place to play games be better.
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  I am one of your hosts, PC muscle race myself, La Ron
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  Dawkins, better known as X as 803 out there in social media
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  land. I want to welcome everybody back
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  to the Bossers podcast. It's it's a wonderful week.
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  It's a Tuesday night. We're doing our thing here.
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  And right along beside me is the made man PK Power, Pat Klein
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  himself. How's it going, Pat?
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  I am fresh from vacation. Fresh from vacation.
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  Fresh from vacation, I loosely came back actually.
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  Well, no, I I came back on Sunday night, didn't work
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  yesterday. So, you know, I'd still consider
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  myself pretty fresh today. It's the first day at work but I
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  worked from home so. You know, nice, nice.
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  I'm pretty sure shenanigans were head.
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  No, none that have crossed my path yet.
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  Oh, you were a good boy You, you were a good boy when.
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  We go into the office, OK. But the cat, the cat's in his
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  lap. It's been holding them down.
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  Yeah. He doesn't.
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  Take. My lap very long.
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  All right. Also with us tonight is one of
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  our All Stars from the Bossers Network, the Power Block Papa
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  himself, Mr. Eddie V. Hey dude, welcome back.
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  Hey. Thank you for having me.
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  Just got to know, is this Steve? Take it.
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  It is. It is.
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  You're just keeping it warm. Yes, it's a game that I've been
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  playing on Switch to and been loaded.
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  Also, what Jimmy John's got some brownies.
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  They haven't. Wait, they had?
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  Brownies before. Yeah, I was looking to say they
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  had brownies. I know that but why is it the
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  bomb like like bomb biggity. I'm like oh just so good and
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  chewy. I'm like they they may have the
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  best brownies over goodness. What is the other sub place?
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  Not a subway, but, but whatever. The other sub place Firehouse.
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  That does sub stuff. Jersey Mike's Jersey Mike's,
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  yeah. Jersey.
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  Mike's OK Firehouse desktops too though with him, but yeah.
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  Yeah. I haven't really tried the
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  brownies, but I've definitely gone with the triple chocolate
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  chunk cookie. That is good.
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  See Subway got the bomb. Like chocolate chip cookies?
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  Hey, hey, Sir, Sir, this is not, this is not a segment of Snack
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  Tindo. You stop it.
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  You stop it right now. Hello.
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  Everybody. And always be kind.
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  Please rewind, because the infinite rewind man himself is
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  back. Mr. Matthew Keel, welcome back,
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  man. Hello, it's Tuesday and why are
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  you all talking about bad fast food sandwiches before you go
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  any? Further, this is not snack
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  Tinders or Stop it I I come. From the land of decent hoagies
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  and most of them come from non chain restaurants.
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  Y'all need to stop. You need to try better food.
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  I mean, I mean, yeah, you living up in Pennsylvania with the your
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  authentic freaking like, like like cheese steaks and and.
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  Stop. Look, we got cheese steaks and
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  scrapple. We got pork roll.
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  No, no, no, no. No, no, no, you said scrapple.
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  No, we're done. No.
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  We got no on that. Look, man, the Philly.
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  Cheese every garbage part of the animal up here.
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  That's what we. Do the Philly cheese, the Philly
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  cheese steaks in Pennsylvania truth for truth?
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  Yeah. No, no.
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  No other state will compare. Yeah, but see, you have to do it
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  right. The problem.
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  See one thing I learned and and Corey will, Corey will agree
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  with me. When I moved here and when
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  someone said it to me, I was like, shut your mouth because
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  that sounds like garbage. You have to get onions on it
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  fried, of course. And you hack this.
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  I want you to hold back your gag reflexes.
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  Cheese Whiz. That's not that's.
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  Not the worst thing I've ever heard on cheese.
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  Steak. So, But see.
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  But see, here's the thing. Most people look at and think
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  when you say cheese whiz, they're like, why the fuck would
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  you even do that? But cheese Whiz on a cheesecake,
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  on a cheese steak with fried onions, Throw it and throw.
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  I mean, I've learned that like Cooper Sharp is a thing that
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  exists. You can also put that on there
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  with the cheese whiz and long hot Peppers and you have
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  yourself, you have yourself a a big long roll that you want to
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  put in your mouth all the way and never stop.
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  We're done. We're done.
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  We're done. I want to go ahead and use this
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  segment. We're I'm using this.
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  Section right now we. Cross the five minute mark,
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  you're looking for work and you can't get enough work and you're
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  Work work, work, work. Yes.
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  Now. Not at all.
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  That's out the way. Now.
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  We got all the legal essay done, you know.
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  Now, just like how some people say
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  Tarjay, you know, you know. And and and they need to be
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  catapulted into the sun. Oh.
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  Yeah. All right, so if you.
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  If if you're new here, this is your.
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  First time watching and or listening each every week, each
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  host picks a picks a topic to discuss along the episode and
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  and we also try to lead with talking points.
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  So this discussion kind of stays on the rails.
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  I don't know we got we got Matt and Ed here.
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  So I don't know how on the rails is going to stay, but you know.
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  Where we're going, we don't need.
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  I know you're with me. Let's go.
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  Let's ruin this. He's just sitting there smiling.
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  I'm going to take a drink. Matt's on.
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  His own. Thanks, Ed Appreciate you
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  everybody. Just be ready for the ride.
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  Yeah. I'm gonna let you go first
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  because you kind of, you know how this thing goes here.
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  So. So you got a topic for us
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  tonight, man. Yes, so you know, everybody,
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  Nintendo did a Nintendo Direct Partners showcase and then
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  Nintendo and the Direct on the last two weeks in here in
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  August. And it kind of seems that people
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  were upset and didn't really like both shows because of the
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  expectations, not me being met personally.
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  Like for example, a game like silk song, not being in any of
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  the directs. People just said it was a bad
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  presentation. And I it's kind of been like
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  that lately with a lot of showcases that they've just been
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  disappointed and upset about it. So my question to the to you
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  all, it's just like is the Nintendo Directs or Directs that
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  showcases really a let down because people expectations are
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  not being met. No, and it's OK if people have
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  predictions on what they hope to see.
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  But if they don't see it, if they're really showing a diverse
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  lineup of gays, whether it is ports or new IPS or guess that's
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  already out on past systems like just like they're on PC, but
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  it's the in early access and you know when these sisters are
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  getting it for the first time for a full release.
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  Is that such a bad thing? I'm.
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  Going to start just for just for clarification like this is like
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  all like directs and show and and shows it's not just Nintendo
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  exclusive. OK, OK.
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  I just wanted clarification, that's all.
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  Yeah. So Patch, I'm going to start
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  with you. What is?
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  What is your opinion about that? I think people just have
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  expectations that are completely, well, just, they're
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  just completely out there like they.
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  You almost said irrelevant. Didn't.
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  You irrelevant. Yeah, they expect every single
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  directive feature at least 12 Zeldas and 84 Marios before the
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  show's over, and it's like you're not getting all that.
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  Especially when Nintendo sex sets the expectations of Partner
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  Direct. Indie Showcase.
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  Neither of those are Nintendo first party titles.
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  You're lucky you even saw a Zelda in a Partner Direct this
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  time around. Like I it came exactly how I
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  expected. You got very third party
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  publishers announcing some stuff such as the The Adventures of
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  Elliott, Octopath Traveller and Monster Hunter World Three.
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  To me, it did what it was supposed to.
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  Was it Oliver Lee stellar? To me, no it it probably was a
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  bee, but I think everyone that says if you don't have one or
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  the other game on it, it's an immediate fail just needs to
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  understand how the video game market works.
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  They. Need to touch grass they.
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  Need to do. That first of all, because,
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  because, because I think, oh, I'm, I'm going to take my turn
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  now, Ed, I'm sorry. OK, So yeah, I'm, I'm a person
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  that, you know, like I do, I do. I agreed.
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  I agreed the all the shows, the directs and all that stuff based
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  off of, based off the content, not, not what they plan to give
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  me, you know, and to be completely transparent, like the
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  last three shows I have not caught.
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  So I didn't catch, I didn't catch both Nintendo Directs and
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  I didn't catch the on the Xbox showcase that happened recently
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  either. So yeah, so I'm kind of out of
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  the loop. But at the same time, I did keep
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  track of like of like the conversation and stuff like
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  that. And yeah, like you would you
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  would think that, you know, like nothing was shown that was
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  worth, you know, anybody spending money on.
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  But that's not the case. I know for sure because, because
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  Stephanie and Pat made sure to know that there was a new
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  monster, her stories coming, which yes, I was like, Oh my
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  God, I missed. I missed it, you know.
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  It looks crazily insane. Good animation.
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  I'm like oh Capcom was not playing this looks so good.
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  Oh yeah, that unit that handles like the RPG arm of Monster
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  Hunter. They're doing wonderful things.
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  And each game, each game looks better than the last game and
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  stuff like that. But I'm not here to talk about
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  Capcom, you know, in in this portion of it.
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  Basically the way I feel about this is that is that is that
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  gamers, gamers have such this big entitlement that if they
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  don't see anything they want to see like, yeah, I get before
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  before the reveal of Monster Hunter, Monster Hunter Wilds,
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  like I did get let down every time.
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  Like one of these shows came out and there was no new Monster
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  Hunter content. But, you know, at the same time,
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  I did not turn around and say this, this show was asked
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  because there was no Monster Hunter.
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  There was no Tekken, there was no this there was no that, you
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  know, I I'm not like that. But what I will say is like I, I
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  have said that, you know, a show has let me down because like, if
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  they show 20 games, there's only one and there's only one or two
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  games that moved the needle for me.
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  I feel like, I feel like it was a mid show, but that's just me
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  personally. You know, everybody else, you
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  know, for, for, for, for me, wanting for me only getting two
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  games, they'll only move the needle for me.
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  There's somebody else out there 18 games move the needle for
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  them out of the 20 game presentation.
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  And that was the best show ever. And stuff like that.
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  You know, everybody wants everybody wants to to talk loud
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  and be and be heard last, you know, and stuff like that.
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  And it's and it's just really weird.
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  So you know, like that's why I said like, you know, like there
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  are a lot of gamers out there that just need to touch grass,
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  Like not every game is going to be meant for you.
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  Not everything. I use myself as a perfect
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  example. I didn't buy a Nintendo 64
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  because because Nintendo didn't do enough to me to say like they
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  want they had games on that console that I want to play.
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  I had matured with gaming, stuff like that.
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  So yeah, I was wanting to play games like Resident Evil, like
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  like games like Tomb Raider, stuff like that, you know, not
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  so much Rated M games, but I wanted to play games.
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  I just had a more like mature adult vibe to it.
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  And when 64 kind of rolled out the gate and stuff like that, it
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  just didn't have the content I wanted.
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  So I basically missed out in that generation.
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  Now, that being said, I've never once said the Nintendo 64 was a
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  terrible system. And I've never said that never
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  in like the long history that consoles been, you know, that
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  has been released and is now dead and whatnot.
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  I've never said it's a bad system because guess what?
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  I've had fun playing games on that system.
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  Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, all that stuff.
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  It just just didn't do enough for me to turn around and plop
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  $400.00 and buy 1, you know, And yeah, that's kind of that's kind
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  of what it is. And I, and I use that as an
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  example to say that you know, like there's a, there's at
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  least, there's at least a gaming show or some type of showcase
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  what, at least once a month or once every six to eight weeks
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  and stuff like that. Nothing's ever going to be meant
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  for everybody. You know, you're going to have
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  the people who love Starfield and Elden Ring and all this
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  stuff and they're going to have a blast when those games are,
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  when those games are like announced or anything goes or
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  anything along that lines. You've got people who are,
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  they're all about Smash Brothers and Kingdom Hearts and all that
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  stuff. And of course, you know, of
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  course, you know, anytime Kingdom Hearts content drops on
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  any of these shows, like there's a part of the Internet that says
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  like that show 1, you know, it is what it is.
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  You know, like, like I cannot wait for the next Metroid,
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  Metroid Prime. Actually, I've seen enough
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  Metroid Prime that I know I'm going to get it.
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  So like I will be super amped. When a new.
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  Metroid title shows up in one of these showcases or whatnot.
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  I'm going to be super excited if ever, whenever a an Uncharted
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  game shows up, whenever I would love for another Dead Space game
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  that happened. You know, it doesn't have to be
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  a remake. Dead Space 2, even though like
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  you, would make me a happy boy if the Dead Space 2 remake
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  happened. Yeah, but, but ultimately,
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  gamers are too entitled, myself included.
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  I feel like. I feel like, you know, there's
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  always going to be things that are always ultimately going to
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  disappoint me. But I learned a long time ago,
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  as a matter of fact, I learned back when I first started
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  joining the Bosphorus crew as a podcaster.
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  So like that I can't yuck everybody's young.
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  As a matter of fact, as a matter of fact, I would be the villain
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  if I was yucking everybody's young.
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  And I think if more people look at themselves as villains when
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  they turn, oh, there's no silk song.
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  Oh, there's no spider man, Oh, there's no new God of War.
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  Oh, there's where's our Twisted Metal online and all this.
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  No, shut up, shut up. You know, like it's not about
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  you. The only thing, the only thing
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  at the end of the day that any of these game companies are
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  worried about is like they satisfy enough people so they
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  can make the bottom line, you know, every quarter.
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  There you go. There you go.
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  I'm stepping off my soapbox now. Matt, what is your opinion about
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  this? So I mean, I basically share
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  Laurent's thoughts. I also think that I also think
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  that video games in particular are, it's a, it's a weird medium
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  where there's a barrier of entry that isn't necessarily the
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  biggest to get into in terms of having a platform.
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  And when you when you start to have a platform, no matter how
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  meager it is, it is you want to try and build that.
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  So you dial, you dial up your reactions, you dial up your the
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  weirdness of your takes or you dial up your emotional response
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  to these shows. And unfortunately in doing
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  things like, unfortunately doing things like that can can cloud
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  your vision in ways that you won't see until.
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  Until you go, until you look back at things that you did
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  after you've either gotten more successful or decided to exit
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  your platform. And I remember when I started,
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  you know, wanting to be a video game podcaster, I thought my
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  opinions were, I thought my opinions were special or smart.
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  And then I realized, oh, wait a minute, I was just, I was not
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  only a dude in a sea of many other dudes that had very
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  similar complexions with very similar opinions.
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  I also realized that I wasn't thinking very critically about
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  about this medium, so I end. Up breaking in real fast.
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  To quote Mila Yovovich in Resident Evil 6, you just
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  realized you were another asshole.
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  Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I am.
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  I am just another faceless douchebag on on someone's screen
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  somewhere. And I'm just saying another
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  version of something they've already heard from someone else.
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  Yeah. And because this idea of hosting
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  a podcast or having a blog or, or doing something where you can
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  react to video game content is not that hard.
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  A lot of people try it and you and when a lot of people try a
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  thing, you're going to hear the same thing because they're all
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  going to react to the same thing that that went viral or
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  whatever. Now getting to gamers in their
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  entitlement. Yeah, everything, everything
• 21:48
  Laurent said is is true. I I mean, I, I personally look,
• 21:54
  I I, I haven't watched a video game direct or showcase in in
• 22:02
  its entirety in a very long time.
• 22:05
  But this year specifically, when I saw Silk Song on the Raw Guy
• 22:10
  IX, I knew that the response to every event after that was going
• 22:17
  to have a special brand of unhinged team.
• 22:22
  Cherry really don't like us very much, do they?
• 22:25
  Yeah, yeah, man, the Internet. The internet's salty right now.
• 22:30
  And and now is is team Cherry innocent in all this?
• 22:36
  No, because they do troll their fans some fierce and it's it's
• 22:42
  kind of hilarious like they will decide to just hop on twitch and
• 22:45
  be live, but look at like pachinko machines.
• 22:48
  They won't even mention that they're video game developers,
• 22:51
  like respect for that kind of for the for that kind of like
• 22:56
  gall. But yeah, ultimately, like y'all
• 23:05
  are complaining about the toy section that has that has an
• 23:11
  unprecedented amount of variety that you choose to not engage
• 23:17
  with and look at when you can really just open your mind and
• 23:21
  your heart to something different and possibly be moved.
• 23:27
  I mean, I remember when I was, well, I'm old.
• 23:32
  So in like in 2007, I was, I was 28 and I wanted to, I wanted to
• 23:40
  play all the Bioshocks, all the Fallout threes.
• 23:43
  I wanted to play all of those games.
• 23:47
  But when I saw a game, when I opened my heart to a game like
• 23:53
  Braid or a game like Limbo or a game like Splosion Man, for
• 24:01
  God's sake, you, you found that was when I found they're like,
• 24:05
  Oh, there's so much out here that I don't know about because
• 24:10
  it's not being, it's not being strenuously marketed at my face,
• 24:16
  ears and mind. So when you, when you, if you
• 24:21
  want to watch these shows, if you want to react to them and
• 24:24
  all you're going to all you're going in with is a laundry list
• 24:28
  of what you want. And if it's not there, you, you
• 24:31
  think it's bad, don't watch those shows.
• 24:34
  Find out if it's there later, then go be happy.
• 24:37
  Like that's what you want. That's your confirmation bias
• 24:40
  that you want to experience with life.
• 24:43
  You are, you are. You only want to be informed
• 24:48
  that that your happiness matters.
• 24:53
  And that has been a long, a long, polite way of saying sit
• 24:59
  down, shut the fuck up, and either engage with or don't
• 25:04
  engage with this. Your your thing will come
• 25:10
  eventually. Laron and I were very happy
• 25:13
  earlier this year when Monster Hunter Wilds finally came out.
• 25:17
  We were so happy and we had so much fun playing together.
• 25:21
  I missed those times. I missed them too and I'm
• 25:25
  playing a poorly optimized version of Monster Hunter Wilds.
• 25:28
  I mean, it was it was just us and Andre and my buddy Zodiac
• 25:33
  and we would and like it was it was really funny to hear these
• 25:37
  conversations happen because Laron would be like the seasoned
• 25:40
  Monster Hunter who's been there the entire time.
• 25:42
  Like OK, guys, we got to lock in this this arch tempered Ray Dao
• 25:48
  is going to is going to mess with us.
• 25:49
  Meanwhile, Zodiac and I are going what's the Best Song Ever
• 25:52
  and why is it, you know, Higher Love by Steve Winwood?
• 25:57
  It means they were like. Shut the hell up.
• 25:58
  Ron like, yeah, you're good at Monster Hunter set up and.
• 26:01
  Ron's like, what are you guys talking about?
• 26:05
  And then then he put in like Zodiac put like a a shot of
• 26:10
  cobra to sleep and said good night, John boy, like it was the
• 26:14
  fucking Waltons. Like this is this is the thing
• 26:19
  that that most people complain about so hard.
• 26:21
  Just have fun. Yeah, it's.
• 26:24
  Supposed to be fun. And and also and also.
• 26:27
  You'll get your turn basically. Exactly.
• 26:30
  Exactly. Yeah, Wolfie.
• 26:32
  What you got to say on this? I mean, personally, I've, I
• 26:38
  haven't, I'm same with Matt. I haven't watched the showcases
• 26:40
  in very long time. And you know, for me, I think
• 26:47
  just like I missed the old days when like video games weren't so
• 26:52
  like people would just getting them to have fun and not be
• 26:55
  like, oh, this game just came out.
• 26:57
  You're so excited. And then they see like a
• 26:59
  showcase and they'll be like, oh, this game isn't coming out
• 27:01
  yet. Like, what the hell?
• 27:02
  And they get mad. Like, I miss those days.
• 27:05
  And I mean, I'm someone who who didn't purchase the Nintendo
• 27:08
  Switch too, because when the Nintendo Switch came out, it was
• 27:12
  COVID. I was working in news and all I
• 27:16
  wanted to do again was play Animal Crossing.
• 27:19
  That was my childhood. And my dad unfortunately sold
• 27:23
  all my systems when we moved and I had to.
• 27:28
  And I just wanted a Nintendo Switch Lite, an Animal Crossing,
• 27:31
  the Horizons. That's all I wanted.
• 27:33
  And I'm not going to purchase a Switch because I am one of those
• 27:36
  PC gamers. I have all my games on my
• 27:38
  computer. I, I'd rather sit at a desk and
• 27:41
  I do have a controller. But you know, I think people
• 27:45
  need to, it needs to go back to like the 20, the 2000s, you
• 27:50
  know, especially with how things are going and like how people
• 27:52
  get upset with different games, like people need to touch grass.
• 27:56
  I'm doing well. I'm doing gaming before the
• 27:59
  Internet was definitely the golden age.
• 28:02
  Yeah, that was that was my childhood.
• 28:04
  I grew up actually young as hell.
• 28:07
  I'm 26. I grew up.
• 28:08
  I was born 99 so wow. I'm 20 years older than you.
• 28:15
  I don't even, I don't even want to.
• 28:16
  I don't even want to put out there how old I am.
• 28:19
  Well around. Me.
• 28:20
  You're just like 2 years apart though.
• 28:23
  Yeah. Well, I just want to I'm, I'm
• 28:28
  kind of stepping in. I don't mean to interrupt
• 28:29
  because I kind. Of go ahead.
• 28:32
  The I I agree with you to a point.
• 28:37
  The one thing I would say is like that's also the people who
• 28:42
  have who are who are who are coming to this.
• 28:45
  They only because their experience was the things that
• 28:47
  they had and that they attached to they and now that they have a
• 28:51
  wider world and they only want to do the things that they
• 28:54
  attach to like that. Just it shows, it shows a a very
• 29:01
  short sighted closed minded game.
• 29:06
  And now I wouldn't, I wouldn't not, I wouldn't knock anybody if
• 29:15
  they just wanted to switch to play Animal Crossing.
• 29:18
  I was an avoider of Animal Crossing for a very long time
• 29:21
  and and I tried it and I was like, I get it now and and some
• 29:29
  and someone and then and then on top of that, I got it as a
• 29:32
  healthcare worker working through 2020 while everyone else
• 29:37
  was telling me how bored they were at home.
• 29:39
  And I'm like. Yo, and lacrosse and lacrosse
• 29:42
  for the Switch was like the world's biggest pallet cleanser
• 29:45
  game as far as I'm concerned. That was, I mean, and it'll
• 29:49
  never, well, I, it won't be like that again anytime soon.
• 29:54
  Like the next, the next Animal Crossing game will come and
• 29:59
  it'll, the people who love Animal Crossing will do their
• 30:03
  Animal Crossing things. The people who got into it over
• 30:07
  the over 2020 will be like, why did I like this?
• 30:11
  And it's because they're not being forced inside and away
• 30:14
  from the world. Yeah, I mean I was a die hard
• 30:19
  fan from shoot up until I when I first got my first DSI was like
• 30:28
  12. I actually have a KK slider
• 30:31
  tattoo favorite so. I mean easily, easily S to your
• 30:38
  gaming character. As far as I'm concerned.
• 30:40
  I will not be taking any arguments.
• 30:43
  Oh yeah, I still I they're like some playlists on Spotify that
• 30:47
  people have made of the music from the game.
• 30:49
  I fall asleep to that. KK Scott is a God damn banger.
• 30:53
  Oh my God, yes it is. I love that song.
• 30:58
  You know, I want to go back and play.
• 30:59
  I haven't played in like it's been a year.
• 31:02
  Yeah. Well the original Animal
• 31:04
  Crossing might become the first two in the future.
• 31:07
  The gang cube version the first one because a lot of people
• 31:10
  don't know the history of that gang.
• 31:12
  So maybe just be a gang people. Hopefully.
• 31:17
  It picks a tone. Mapping in that game because
• 31:19
  because I swear we cannot live through another, you know,
• 31:22
  another wave where people. Where?
• 31:25
  Old people thought that, you know, the dancing fire hydrants
• 31:28
  was a penis. Wow.
• 31:32
  Well. I mean, it was a penis disguised
• 31:36
  as a fire hydrant. Either way, it could put out a
• 31:40
  fire OK. Just just wait for it to start
• 31:46
  squirting. OK, got it.
• 31:48
  Well, it. Was that game?
• 31:51
  You just undo the top a little bit.
• 31:53
  Just. Kristen Oz, Let's play.
• 31:57
  But I'm going to give my opinion.
• 31:59
  I started, I started that. That's my fault this time.
• 32:04
  You done messed up LE Ron. Well, I think that you know,
• 32:09
  with a lot of these, the rest are showcases.
• 32:11
  I know like I said earlier, a lot of people place their
• 32:14
  expectations to it. I don't think people celebrate
• 32:18
  games that is coming to their platform in the near future.
• 32:22
  I think for a lot of gamers of today, a lot of moderate gamers
• 32:26
  who are young didn't go through the E3 stages where if you were
• 32:30
  going to find out a game was coming, if you wasn't buying the
• 32:33
  video game magazines or reading anything in about E3, you
• 32:38
  wouldn't know what was coming to the system.
• 32:40
  Sometimes you would just fry gangs just appearing.
• 32:43
  So I think placing expectations on these showcases and stuff,
• 32:48
  you know it, it's like I I said to Lorraine and everybody, I
• 32:52
  think it's fun to predict what is going to be on the showcase.
• 32:55
  You can always have a prediction and if it comes true, it's a
• 32:58
  lucky prediction and I make celebrate that and be happy.
• 33:02
  But if what your expectations are not being met, it doesn't
• 33:05
  mean that the show is bad. There's just some gangs that you
• 33:09
  know, you might not look forward to, but it's still an exciting
• 33:13
  showcase to see because with these showcases and directs is
• 33:16
  literally community based. You know, it's good that we all
• 33:21
  get to watch it at the same time.
• 33:22
  We're different sides and talk about it online or in real life.
• 33:25
  Those are good. That's the great things about
• 33:27
  these directions showcases. Yes, the games might not be
• 33:31
  there that you want, but I'm like you never know, later down
• 33:35
  in the in the year or even the like a couple of months, you
• 33:39
  might be getting that game with extra features after that game
• 33:43
  come out came out. So yeah.
• 33:47
  So with that, everybody, I'm gonna wrap it up here and Pat,
• 33:51
  I'm gonna hand it off to you. OK.
• 33:55
  Awesome, awesome. Hey, good, good topic.
• 33:57
  Good topic. And like, like I, I like where
• 34:00
  you're going with that. I guess a closing thought that
• 34:04
  I'll add to is like beauty's in the eye of the beholder.
• 34:06
  So it's like, it's like that line.
• 34:07
  So basically, you know, everybody, everybody has their
• 34:10
  everybody has their, their bar for where things are AT and
• 34:12
  stuff like that. We can respect it.
• 34:14
  But also the same time, you know, opinions are like, are
• 34:18
  like a holes. So everybody's got one that
• 34:21
  always mean it's your opinions is the right one, you know, so.
• 34:26
  Yep. Mr. Klein, that's your that's
• 34:29
  your father's name. What do we unless, unless,
• 34:36
  unless, Pat, you now have the mantle of Daddy.
• 34:40
  I do not have the mantle of daddy yet, but.
• 34:42
  That attitude. Sir.
• 34:47
  Yep. So I I just got back from
• 34:51
  vacation this last weekend and it made me think how?
• 34:55
  Tired are your arms. Well, I drew drove all the way
• 35:01
  back so. Oh.
• 35:02
  My yeah, mad this is not. After dark, you're.
• 35:06
  Just going to ask. Questions like that.
• 35:10
  I do what I want, Sir. Yeah, apparently that back to
• 35:16
  me. All right, so I just went on a
• 35:20
  vacation and usually when I go on vacation, I like to bring a
• 35:25
  system with me to, you know, play.
• 35:28
  But I noticed that I may not necessarily play the same type
• 35:33
  of games that I normally play or a game that I've been currently
• 35:36
  playing on vacation. Like it kind of changes things
• 35:40
  up a little bit. Like I go on vacation mode.
• 35:43
  Maybe what I do is I go and I look on the E shop and find
• 35:47
  something like, oh, hey, this looks pretty cool.
• 35:49
  I bet you I could play this on vacation and maybe even beat it
• 35:52
  or I don't know. It just seems more like a
• 35:54
  vacation style game than a game that I would normally play, say
• 35:59
  for the podcast. So it's kind of weird.
• 36:03
  Vacation also gives me a vacation for my gaming schedule
• 36:07
  by playing a different game. I don't.
• 36:12
  I guess it's a double fold vacation.
• 36:14
  Anyways I want to know when you go on vacation do you one?
• 36:20
  Do you game while you're on vacation?
• 36:24
  And if you do, does it change up what or how you play?
• 36:29
  I can when I go. Oh, go ahead.
• 36:31
  Yeah. I was just going to say it.
• 36:34
  One of the things I seem to notice when I go gaming or on
• 36:37
  vacation, as I tend to find games that are more like puzzle
• 36:40
  based to play and I I tend to focus on those while I'm on it.
• 36:47
  I don't know, maybe it's because they tend to be a little bit
• 36:49
  more faster pace, I guess, or it just more of a relaxing theme.
• 36:55
  But that's kind of what I do. But Eddie, you said you were
• 36:58
  just about to say something. Yes.
• 37:01
  So when I when I go on vacation, I do gang and and there's kind
• 37:07
  of 333 things that I do when it's like a vacation.
• 37:10
  If I'm like just vacation at home and I'm gaming, I'm going
• 37:14
  through my backlog. If I'm going like on a trip or
• 37:17
  anything and I'm in the car, of course I do handheld gaming.
• 37:22
  I always try to find an arcade when I'm in a different city and
• 37:27
  I try to see what kind of arcade games that they have there that
• 37:31
  maybe a I've never played, B never came to Atlanta's castle
• 37:36
  because that's castle was the gaming.
• 37:39
  Oh my God, I remember that. Gaming played it stuff.
• 37:43
  So like as a kid we went to Kentucky and we went to one of
• 37:49
  the malls and it was the first time I seen Street Fighter.
• 37:52
  The first one because I seen Street Fighter 2 that was out
• 37:56
  everywhere, but I never got to see or play the First Street
• 37:59
  Fighter until I went to the arcade in Kentucky so.
• 38:03
  You were like, wow, right? You had shoes?
• 38:06
  Exactly so. And then there are some like
• 38:12
  idol games that that I've never knew that never came out to
• 38:18
  America, but somehow it ended up in some of these malls back in
• 38:23
  the day. So I I play like the ninja kids
• 38:26
  and everything and just like, what is this weird?
• 38:29
  Oh, this game is a wacky, but it was it was fun games and
• 38:34
  everything. And I I just look for
• 38:36
  interesting and new kind of concepts of games that be in the
• 38:40
  arcade that never came. A never really came to America
• 38:44
  and B never came to console or even PC legally to PCI should
• 38:51
  say. So hey, hey.
• 38:54
  Hey just remember every game ends up on PC.
• 38:57
  Legally. Or everyone.
• 38:58
  Don't be that guy. Don't be that guy.
• 39:00
  What I I I'm just saying, I'm just saying to cover our bases
• 39:06
  it. Feels like he's besmirched.
• 39:08
  He feels like he's besmirched some PC Gamer, but whatever.
• 39:10
  No, no, no. I.
• 39:12
  Kind of feel like a cop right now.
• 39:14
  I'm not sure what's happening. Is he trying to switch us out?
• 39:17
  No, no, no, because I think about it now.
• 39:22
  But to think about it now, because a lot of the arcade
• 39:26
  gangs that are coming out for current consoles are gangs from
• 39:29
  the 80s and 90s that you got, you were able to play that you
• 39:34
  just never seen come. And there are some games that
• 39:38
  some arcade games that people stream and play on their PC that
• 39:43
  I've never heard of from different countries and stuff.
• 39:45
  So you know, how they obtain it, I have no idea.
• 39:50
  But if there are arcade games legally out there, you know,
• 39:56
  that's cool and stuff. But yeah, when I'm.
• 39:59
  Well, I mean. They kind of gave me.
• 40:01
  There are developers, there are developers and companies that
• 40:04
  are going out of their way to release like old, like most
• 40:12
  sometimes obscure arcade titles that didn't make it everywhere.
• 40:16
  Hamster is the one. Hamster is one of them.
• 40:19
  So more often than not, if I see something, like if I see
• 40:22
  something that's an arcade port that I've never heard of, I
• 40:25
  almost always go look at Hamster and it's usually there.
• 40:30
  But me you're you're also correct, there's plenty of
• 40:35
  shenanigans out there happening too.
• 40:42
  Cool Wolfie, how about you? Do you do any gaming on
• 40:45
  vacation? The last vacation I went on, I
• 40:49
  did not do any gaming. It was my babysitter's wedding,
• 40:53
  so I was very busy. I could not.
• 40:56
  I brought my laptop because I thought I was going to play
• 40:58
  Stardew Valley, but I ended up writing.
• 41:02
  I think the last time I had a console on vacation was when I
• 41:07
  was 16. I brought my Nintendo DS to go
• 41:12
  camping, but it was glamping and I played.
• 41:17
  I played two games. I played the original Mario Kart
• 41:20
  for the DS and Animal Crossing Wild World.
• 41:24
  It would switch between the two if I were to bring a console on
• 41:29
  vacation. Probably my switch and I
• 41:32
  probably instead of Animal Crossing New Horizons.
• 41:35
  I also have the game Catherine. Oh God, you drink it.
• 41:40
  I love that game. I love that.
• 41:42
  That is definitely a good game to have on vacation.
• 41:46
  The back half of that game has some problems, going to be
• 41:48
  honest, but like it's it's still pretty good.
• 41:51
  It is pretty good. I I always go to the demon girl
• 41:54
  Always, always, always, always, never my change.
• 41:57
  It never changes and. The demon girl is.
• 42:01
  Oh yeah, 100%. I mean both of them are
• 42:03
  beautiful but like I it I usually if I were to play
• 42:06
  anything on vacation it'd probably be that on the Switch.
• 42:10
  Well, and then they entered. They brought it back into just a
• 42:12
  third Catherine. No way.
• 42:15
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 42:16
  You can blameful body. Yeah, that's cute.
• 42:20
  Wait, I think I don't have that one.
• 42:22
  I don't know which one I have. It's.
• 42:24
  I could. Check.
• 42:25
  It's a that's a. It's a time.
• 42:29
  But after check. That's a did that come out last
• 42:31
  year or two years ago, Catherine?
• 42:34
  Full body no. Yeah, full body.
• 42:37
  'S been out for a while, yeah, I.
• 42:38
  Think pre PS five years. Now, yeah, I think it.
• 42:41
  Was pre PS. Oh, I do have.
• 42:44
  Because what? Yeah, because it came to switch,
• 42:46
  right? I haven't.
• 42:48
  Yeah, yeah, it launched. It lost on it launched on the
• 42:50
  Switch, yeah. That's the only.
• 42:56
  System is on actually full body. That's the only system is on.
• 43:00
  No, it's it's. On.
• 43:00
  PlayStation 4 PlayStation it is on It is on PS4, OK.
• 43:03
  Yeah. OK, OK.
• 43:05
  Vita in Japan. Oh God, long with the Vita, I
• 43:09
  missed that. Because because it was PS3 and
• 43:11
  360 when the original captor came.
• 43:13
  Out. Yes, I had, yes, Steve, but I
• 43:16
  was, I was young when I came out.
• 43:19
  I was on this. Oh my God.
• 43:21
  Like this is when Alice was like low key not known just yet.
• 43:26
  Oh my. God, that's.
• 43:27
  True. No, that's that's not true.
• 43:29
  That was post Persona 4. Like they were a big Yeah, yeah,
• 43:33
  they were a big. Man, that stretch of that
• 43:35
  stretch of time and we had Bayonetta, Catherine and DMC
• 43:41
  Devil May Cry. Oh my God, that was a that was a
• 43:43
  run that year. Look DMC the Devil May Cry will
• 43:47
  always be top tier on. Top never played Bayonetta, I've
• 43:50
  only seen. Oscars.
• 43:51
  Oh. Bayonetta.
• 43:54
  I was saying I. Was saying.
• 43:57
  If you're going to play Bayonetta, I know everybody
• 44:00
  would say play the first one. You need to play too.
• 44:03
  Oh, just banana. Two, Oh my God, banana 2 blew me
• 44:06
  away. I still haven't played three and
• 44:08
  and I and I, and I hate to admit that because given that I'm a
• 44:10
  fan of like the bandana franchise, I I just, I just
• 44:14
  never like, you know, invested time to like buy it on the
• 44:16
  switch. I don't know if it's where I
• 44:19
  was, but three was not it for me at the time.
• 44:23
  Well. Well.
• 44:24
  You know, actually actually for because I don't, I don't own
• 44:28
  Bandana 2A, bandana three, a copy of Bandana three.
• 44:31
  Maybe one of you guys that that actually haven't and haven't
• 44:34
  switched to can tell me like did the switch to improve anything
• 44:37
  for it? Because if it did, I will go
• 44:38
  back and spend this $60.00. So and they said I haven't did a
• 44:46
  patch or anything yet. Before there's no patch.
• 44:49
  Well, well some games don't need patches on on the switch too,
• 44:52
  you know like like I was pleasantly surprised recently if
• 44:55
  Luigi's Mansion 3. I haven't played Luigi's
• 44:58
  Mansion. Good game, good game.
• 45:00
  Like, be ready to sing a lot. Be ready to sing that that game
• 45:03
  is long. For the type of game it is, it's
• 45:05
  long. I, I would say this will feat
• 45:07
  Bayonetta 2 is the game that really jumpstart Platinum games.
• 45:13
  And I I know they had previous work, but that game, that game
• 45:17
  made that name recognizable to a lot of people because at the
• 45:20
  Bayonetta 2, like Activision started having them get make
• 45:24
  games. It's just they, they, they
• 45:28
  literally became big, like really big after Bayonetta 2 and
• 45:35
  you're going to laugh at the cutscenes cause it's super over
• 45:39
  the top. I think you I, I mean I don't
• 45:42
  remember the chrono, the chronology, but I think near
• 45:45
  Automata came out before Bandana 2 and that is I think.
• 45:52
  No 'cause Bandana 2 was on Wii U before the Switch for eject.
• 45:55
  Game right, but near Automata came out before that I'm almost
• 46:01
  positive. I don't think so.
• 46:05
  Almost positive. Maybe we should go, yeah, I, I
• 46:09
  don't want to look up stuff on a work computer, but yeah, like
• 46:19
  Bayonetta, Bayonetta as a franchise, 1 and 2 specifically,
• 46:22
  are, are very special. And I think that they it was one
• 46:30
  of it was one of those games. One of those.
• 46:33
  Series. So Matt Bayonetta, Bayonetta 2
• 46:37
  came out 2014. Near Ottoman came out 2017.
• 46:41
  My bad then, thank you for correcting me.
• 46:44
  But Bayonetta was one of those games where a lot of people
• 46:50
  reacted without playing. And then once you once they
• 46:54
  played, they're like, oh, wait a minute, we completely misread
• 46:59
  this, you know, And that was what I'm going to see.
• 47:01
  I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to say it, You know, only the
• 47:03
  creator of Devil May Cry can make a better Devil May Cry game
• 47:06
  than Devil May Cry. Yeah, I will say I, I will say
• 47:11
  DMC Devil May Cry by Ninja Theory will give one of the
• 47:14
  games to run. That too.
• 47:16
  Well, that too because, because I feel like Capcom immediately
• 47:18
  lost the identity of of double of the Devil May Cry franchise
• 47:21
  when they start my. Favorite one?
• 47:24
  Yeah, same. Same.
• 47:27
  Oh, hold on, we're off topic here.
• 47:28
  We were talking about gaming on vacation.
• 47:30
  We're off topic. I think we.
• 47:32
  Have a bonus? Shoot me, I think we went on
• 47:33
  vacation from. The topic Me and me and Matt
• 47:37
  has. A topic.
• 47:39
  Me and Matt has a tech. No 'cause I I forgot what
• 47:44
  version I had of the Catherine game.
• 47:47
  I know it came out when I was like 15, maybe 16.
• 47:51
  I wasn't old enough to buy it so I didn't end up buying it until
• 47:54
  my late 20s. I just seen people play it on
• 47:59
  YouTube. So my, my vacation habits for
• 48:05
  with gaming are definitely different from my at home habits
• 48:08
  with gaming because because, because let me see, I try to
• 48:13
  play a lot more like easily digestible quit games on my
• 48:16
  vacation. That way I can pick them up, put
• 48:17
  them down, put them down easily. That way it doesn't seem like
• 48:20
  I'm ignoring the people I'm travelling with and stuff like
• 48:21
  that. You know, you know, when when I
• 48:24
  actually have like my ROG Ally has been my best friend.
• 48:29
  So you know what, these past three years of that, you know,
• 48:32
  it's been available. I have the original, I have the
• 48:34
  OG and I have the ROG Ally X. And one of them is with me
• 48:38
  whenever I'm going out on long road trips and stuff like that.
• 48:40
  My mom and my sister are always rolling their eyes anytime they
• 48:43
  see me because because they're they're used to me bringing the
• 48:46
  entire PlayStation home with me. You know, when I go on vacation
• 48:49
  now I'm bringing that, which basically can hook up to my
• 48:51
  PlayStation and I can play, you know, I can play anything I
• 48:54
  want, stuff like that. And they're like, wow, wow, you
• 48:56
  just can't help yourself, can you?
• 48:57
  And stuff like that. But yeah, normally like my, my
• 49:00
  gaming consumption on vacations, I still game on vacations, but I
• 49:04
  always pick like, you know, really quick burst games per SE
• 49:07
  or, or like most of you guys know me on the show.
• 49:10
  Like I, I love rhythm games. So like I'm always going to have
• 49:12
  like some type of musical based game, you know, like with me or
• 49:15
  something like that. And, and honestly, it's
• 49:16
  something to just help me with the fidgets because like
• 49:18
  sometimes I get out there on vacation and I don't, I'm like,
• 49:20
  I don't have something to do or there's nothing I want to do
• 49:22
  except except chill, you know, And you know, I have that
• 49:25
  restless energy. So like it's real easy for me to
• 49:27
  pick up one, that one that one of the handhelds and just go to
• 49:29
  work. All right, Well, how about you,
• 49:36
  Matt? So I'm back from vacation as
• 49:40
  well. I this is the first vacation
• 49:45
  I've not taken system with me portably or otherwise.
• 49:50
  But games for me. I've never been a person who who
• 49:56
  plays like multiple games at the same time.
• 50:00
  Usually if I'm playing a game I want to just focus on that.
• 50:04
  The only time I will switch is if I'm going into a place where
• 50:10
  I'm not online and I can't play it.
• 50:12
  And if the game I'm like for instance, if I was playing
• 50:14
  Monster harder, I don't want to do the online stuff there.
• 50:20
  I wouldn't play Monster Hunter on vacation.
• 50:22
  I couldn't be online while doing it.
• 50:24
  It's just not the it's just not the same for me.
• 50:27
  But I the one of the, when my wife was pregnant, we went to
• 50:37
  hour, well, her, her family's Mountain House and you know,
• 50:40
  they have Wi-Fi and stuff up there and I brought my PS4.
• 50:43
  We were there for a week. We basically just relaxed
• 50:47
  because she needed to be in a cooler climate because she was
• 50:53
  just tired of the Philly humidity.
• 50:57
  And we went and I basically did all of the errands and I went
• 51:03
  out and got food or went out and got anything she needed.
• 51:06
  But then when we were home together like we would, we would
• 51:09
  either play something together. I think we actually played and
• 51:13
  platinum Co-op the original Guacamelee game doing on that
• 51:19
  trip. Cool.
• 51:22
  Which was fun. Love that game.
• 51:26
  Yeah, it's so good. I need to I need to actually
• 51:28
  play too. I still have it, but but yeah,
• 51:34
  if I'm taking anything, I'll usually just play what I've
• 51:37
  already been playing if I'm able to.
• 51:39
  If I'm not, I will switch to something that I either have in
• 51:43
  the backlog or I will just make sure I have something that is
• 51:49
  something with me that I can devote time to or I I will just
• 51:55
  not. I'll usually I usually try and
• 51:59
  sleep on vacation because I'm so tired in general.
• 52:04
  It must be. It must be nice.
• 52:05
  You have people that allow you to sleep on vacation.
• 52:07
  Anytime I go on vacation with anybody that I'm with, they they
• 52:10
  think they think I'm committing a sin against God if I try to
• 52:13
  sleep. Well, see, here's the thing.
• 52:15
  Everybody in my life has always thought that.
• 52:18
  But then at one point I'm like, look, I'm trying y'all.
• 52:22
  I've had four cups of coffee in the past hour and I could still
• 52:27
  lay down and fall asleep. Clearly there is something
• 52:30
  drawing me to sleep, so I can't, I can't fight this feeling
• 52:36
  anymore. So and, and at one point, like
• 52:41
  even my partner's like, how are you this tired?
• 52:45
  And I'm like, well, I think our first trip back to the, to the
• 52:48
  mountains, we were there for three days and I slept for one.
• 52:54
  And she got so mad at me, rightfully so, because I'm like,
• 52:58
  I can't wake up. I can't, I can't keep my eyes
• 53:02
  open. I am so tired.
• 53:05
  But then like, there was the final two days there where I was
• 53:10
  up for 48 hours. So we got so much done and it
• 53:15
  was so much fun. But yeah, I, I don't sleep on
• 53:20
  vacation anymore because I have a 2 year old and, and that kid,
• 53:26
  he's lucky. He's cute.
• 53:29
  He's he's real lucky like he is the cutest baby I've ever seen
• 53:34
  and I will definitely I will definitely I will I will cut a
• 53:40
  bitch if they come after him. But my phone fell again.
• 53:48
  Sorry about that. I'm here.
• 53:52
  But he loves to wake up at like 3:00 in the morning and just be
• 53:56
  like. Hi.
• 54:01
  And when a 2 year old is like that and you have and you're
• 54:03
  responsible for it, you have to get up because it will get into
• 54:07
  trouble. It will find it it it will be
• 54:11
  line for the most unsafe thing and and be like I play with this
• 54:16
  now so. Parenthood.
• 54:23
  Parenthood. Yeah, I have that.
• 54:26
  Yeah, it's the, it's the I Yeah, I the consequences of my actions
• 54:31
  are real, y'all? I know nothing about that.
• 54:35
  It's I just have a cat but she's like a 2 year old.
• 54:40
  I have enough. I have enough nieces and nephews
• 54:43
  that kind of know the deal. I mean basically my 2 year old
• 54:49
  is an untrained dog. He poops in the house, he pees
• 54:54
  in the house. He just has a diaper.
• 54:57
  Matt, Matt, I'm pretty sure you're one of those dads where
• 55:00
  where your wife is like, can you, can you, can you put the
• 55:02
  baby down for a nap and then she comes back.
• 55:04
  And you're napping and the baby's like.
• 55:05
  What's up? No, I so so because my wife
• 55:12
  hasn't been back to work yet since we had him.
• 55:16
  He he is kind of like when bedtime is a thing.
• 55:20
  He really just gravitates to her because she's been there the
• 55:23
  entire time. Only recently as he started to
• 55:26
  like, you know, prefer me to go to bed and put him to bed.
• 55:32
  And you know, the the happiness on my wife is like, I haven't
• 55:38
  seen that kind of smile on her since we first started dating.
• 55:40
  Oh, I was. About to say it on something, I
• 55:42
  was about to say it on something.
• 55:43
  She's looking and I'm like. Traitor.
• 55:45
  No, no, she's so happy. She's like, I you mean, you mean
• 55:50
  you took one thing off my plate? Go off, King.
• 55:55
  That's what she said. But yeah, it's it's it's funny.
• 56:03
  I have. I have, I have AI have a tiny
• 56:07
  little Pokémon that just says a couple of things at a time and
• 56:12
  maybe listens to me every so often.
• 56:14
  It's hilarious. I love him to death.
• 56:16
  He's great. Now there have been times where
• 56:23
  like I've been sent down to give him breakfast and that literal
• 56:26
  thing has happened. He's sitting there just watching
• 56:28
  TV and I'm so I'm, I'm lucky to be alive and I right here
• 56:38
  because of that. I hope I answered the question.
• 56:45
  You did. You did, you did.
• 56:47
  You said you sleep. Yeah, so I mean, it looks like
• 56:52
  we all kind of do like we have when we do go on vacation.
• 56:56
  You know, good chunk of us do try to game when we can, but it
• 56:59
  definitely seems like our video game habits change into a
• 57:04
  vacation mode. So, you know, it's kind of cool.
• 57:08
  It's just something I was interested in, see if we all had
• 57:11
  that kind of mentality of like switching up what we do when we
• 57:16
  go on vacation. I think the easiest way to
• 57:19
  describe how we kind of all like basically approach gaming when
• 57:22
  we're on vacation is like we, we.
• 57:26
  Game we game we don't want to. Work when we're on vacation and
• 57:30
  and our gaming habits at home are definitely like work and
• 57:33
  chores and stuff like that. So we definitely want to play
• 57:36
  the games they're going to give us like the biggest bang for our
• 57:38
  buck we, you know, the most fun potential and odd stuff, which
• 57:41
  is why I'm always playing like retro NES titles and stuff like
• 57:44
  that, you know, or something from the sake of Genesis era or
• 57:47
  like I said, music games and stuff like that.
• 57:48
  I feel like it's in if we're on vacation, we don't want to put
• 57:51
  the work in. You know, we don't want to.
• 57:52
  We don't want to, we don't want to, you know, put a trace
• 57:55
  through his trials and God of War Ragnarok and all this stuff,
• 57:58
  you know? No, I I actually tried when I
• 58:03
  was on vacation in South Carolina to play Sardi Valley,
• 58:09
  and I was in the middle of it and my mom had to wake me up
• 58:13
  because I had fallen asleep. Yeah, exactly.
• 58:19
  And a day had passed and the character had passed out and I
• 58:22
  was like. Yep, Yep.
• 58:30
  Good, Good topic, Pat. Good topic.
• 58:33
  Yeah, you, you spin off some bangers I I tell you that.
• 58:37
  Hey, you just. Think they don't call him an
• 58:39
  hour patch for nothing? You know what?
• 58:44
  You know what? I'm just going to, I'm just
• 58:46
  going to smile. I'm going to, I'm going to wave.
• 58:51
  Quietly stop the recording. This is in the Box First podcast
• 58:55
  and that needs to never come back.
• 59:01
  All right, so I guess. Cream is only temporary for this
• 59:04
  flare up Sir, so if you. Guys are ready.
• 59:10
  I think I have a serious topic for us, for us to talk, for us
• 59:13
  to talk about tonight, and also for us to round out this show.
• 59:16
  Let's go. So real, So real.
• 59:18
  Quickly here before we get into this topic and stuff like that,
• 59:21
  you know like please visit our website bossrush.net.
• 59:24
  You know, we have we have all the socials they can think of.
• 59:28
  So LinkedIn Twitter X, whatever you want to call it, you know,
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  Instagram, all that stuff. So you find us out there, join
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  our discord, you know, keep the conversation going hashtag we
• 59:38
  are boss rush. So all right, all right, so
• 59:43
  I've, I I, I've been cooking this topic up for a week.
• 59:47
  Pat got a preview of this. Well, we got a preview of this
• 59:50
  when I put it in the chat, like, hey, I want to talk about this
• 59:52
  on the show on Tuesday, but everybody, let's sit down.
• 59:57
  Let's sit down around the fire. You know, you know.
• 1:00:01
  This summer. OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, let's
• 1:00:08
  sit around the NES console. Unless unless unless, unless
• 1:00:13
  reminisce about like infamous video games and video game hard
• 1:00:17
  and gaming hardware, the cancellations that essentially
• 1:00:20
  broke both the Internet and the industry.
• 1:00:25
  All right, so I'm I'm teeing this up by by just saying the
• 1:00:29
  video game industry is no stranger to like ambitious
• 1:00:32
  projects that have never seen the light of day.
• 1:00:35
  Whether it's due to financial constraints, technical
• 1:00:37
  challenges, or or shifting trends, cancellations of highly
• 1:00:41
  anticipated games, hardware and accessories have left lasting
• 1:00:44
  impressions on gamers and developers alike.
• 1:00:47
  Some cancellations have sparked outrage.
• 1:00:50
  We're going to mention a few of them, you know, as we get into
• 1:00:52
  this, while others were met with relief.
• 1:00:55
  We're going to talk about a couple of those, too.
• 1:00:59
  So even the most unseasoned gaming newbie knows that the
• 1:01:03
  video game industry thrives on hype.
• 1:01:07
  Trailers, demos, promises of revolutionary experiences, all
• 1:01:10
  that, all that combined and all that stuff.
• 1:01:12
  But unfortunately for every Elder Ring or Baller's Gate 3
• 1:01:15
  that that's delivered, there are countless games that vanished
• 1:01:17
  into the void, leaving behind heartbroken fans and lingering
• 1:01:21
  what ifs. These high profile cancellations
• 1:01:23
  don't just disappoint players, they reshape developer
• 1:01:26
  reputations. Ultra corporate strategies.
• 1:01:29
  We mentioned that earlier in our pre show.
• 1:01:31
  Please, please go back and take a look at that when you have the
• 1:01:34
  chance. A dollar is all you need to see
• 1:01:37
  it altering corporate strategies and sometimes even changing the
• 1:01:42
  course of gaming history. All right, so First off, I'm
• 1:01:48
  going to ask, I'm going to ask you each each one of you just
• 1:01:51
  name, name a gaming cancellation that a gaming cancellation or a
• 1:01:54
  hardware cancellation that rocked your world when you when
• 1:01:57
  you learned about it, Pat go first.
• 1:02:00
  Mega Man Legends 3. You were reading my mind,
• 1:02:06
  actually. You were doing your homework
• 1:02:08
  because I gave you guys enough time to get ready for this.
• 1:02:11
  Like, well, at least at least the main boss, Boss Bro's hosts.
• 1:02:15
  Yes, I, I was, I, as an avid Mega Man fan, you know, the fact
• 1:02:20
  that Capcom finally came out and said, yes, we're going to make
• 1:02:24
  Mega Man Legends 3 and we're going to listen to you, the fans
• 1:02:28
  for what you want in this game. And then to immediately turn
• 1:02:33
  around and be like, oh, well, apparently fans didn't want this
• 1:02:37
  game, so we cancelled it. And it's like, what the hell are
• 1:02:40
  you talking about? Everyone wanted the Mega Man
• 1:02:43
  Legends 3 game. That is, yeah, that one, Yeah,
• 1:02:48
  that one. That one hurt, you know.
• 1:02:52
  I still have trust issues with Capcom this day because of that.
• 1:02:56
  Matt, what's the, what's the gaming, what's the video game or
• 1:02:59
  hardware cancellation that that basically like messed you up?
• 1:03:05
  I don't think I have one. Weirdly enough.
• 1:03:11
  So you're saying you're that well-rounded and well adjusted?
• 1:03:13
  No, no, that's not what I'm saying.
• 1:03:15
  That's not what I'm saying. Like I don't, it's, it's one of
• 1:03:20
  those things that like most of the things that I saw that I
• 1:03:24
  found out were, were were not going to come out.
• 1:03:29
  It it was just a, a 2 1/2 minute trailer.
• 1:03:34
  And I was at a time in my life where where the particular hype
• 1:03:40
  did not get me like or, or it didn't really, it didn't
• 1:03:47
  distract me in a way that that was all I wanted.
• 1:03:54
  I mean, I think that, I mean, the one thing I can think of
• 1:04:02
  that I was that I was like, I was really hoping that the the
• 1:04:07
  people who put it out really just went back to the kitchen,
• 1:04:11
  cooked more with it and did something better was the anthem.
• 1:04:17
  OK, I was. I was.
• 1:04:18
  Wondering if you're going to? Say that I was like, it's right.
• 1:04:20
  There but it but it but like I played it, you know, I, I played
• 1:04:25
  it and finished it. It, you know, it, it wasn't
• 1:04:28
  great, but I wanted if, if they were actually going to try and
• 1:04:31
  fix it, I was really hoping they'd finish it and they just
• 1:04:34
  decided not. To.
• 1:04:36
  Which is fair. But yeah, like, unfortunate.
• 1:04:45
  As much as I love this hobby I I have, this is one of the aspects
• 1:04:51
  of it that has not burned me all that.
• 1:04:53
  Badly. And I, I mean, I think I can
• 1:04:58
  say, I can safely say I'm lucky in that there will come a time
• 1:05:02
  where I do get severely burned by it.
• 1:05:05
  Like, you know, from soft, like From Software announces
• 1:05:09
  Bloodborne too. And it just doesn't put it out.
• 1:05:13
  But, you know, that would be the thing that that would really
• 1:05:17
  hurt. But but yeah, like I'm, I'm
• 1:05:20
  just, I'm, I'm very lucky. I'm not, I'm not mighty, I'm not
• 1:05:25
  well-rounded. I'm just lucky.
• 1:05:28
  So. I'm not even.
• 1:05:30
  Good. I'm not even good.
• 1:05:32
  I'm just lucky. Ed, what's a you?
• 1:05:39
  The WE Vitality sensor. It was supposed to be a.
• 1:05:44
  Session. That you put your finger in and
• 1:05:47
  it's supposed to rate your heartbeat and like relax you
• 1:05:51
  while you play gangs and stuff. Or a sudden gaze and they're
• 1:05:54
  thinking never. That was.
• 1:05:56
  Game. Fail.
• 1:05:58
  Yeah, it got it got canceled. But it was the thing that Iwana
• 1:06:01
  was so kind of proud of. And when he talked about it at
• 1:06:07
  one of their E threes, it was kind of entertaining to see
• 1:06:10
  that, you know, Nintendo's going in this direction, you know,
• 1:06:13
  starting this, starting up their quality of life where, you know,
• 1:06:18
  they want to incorporate health into their gaming sphere or, you
• 1:06:23
  know, in their business and stuff.
• 1:06:25
  And a lot of people wonder what that could have led up to.
• 1:06:29
  And even though it got, it did get canceled, we did get like we
• 1:06:34
  fit and we got. Sleep.
• 1:06:39
  Pokémon Sleep, the band people use for their workout for on
• 1:06:44
  Switch. I cannot think of that game.
• 1:06:50
  Ring Fit yeah and how that took off during the pandemic and
• 1:06:53
  people reported that they lost weight and changed their eating
• 1:06:56
  habits and stuff because of that gang and stuff and so the.
• 1:06:59
  You know, really with the We've Rentality sister, even though it
• 1:07:04
  didn't come out, it did lead to good things in the future for
• 1:07:08
  Nintendo with the quality of life stuff and it kind of paid
• 1:07:11
  off. Whoopi what what what what say
• 1:07:17
  you? What's a cancellation in in
• 1:07:19
  either gaming hardware, accessories that that basically
• 1:07:22
  rocked your world? Unfortunately I don't.
• 1:07:25
  I don't have one either. I think for me, I was upset when
• 1:07:29
  I grew up with Club Penguin and when those servers shut down, I
• 1:07:33
  was mortified, upset because that, OK, she's going away.
• 1:07:39
  I was mortified because I grew up with Club Penguin and you
• 1:07:42
  know, they ramped Runescape, old Runescape, but I tried to play
• 1:07:48
  it and it's terrible. Like the paywall.
• 1:07:51
  I just I can't I can't pick it up again because of the paywall.
• 1:07:55
  It used to be you could level up and like you could do it quickly
• 1:07:59
  and you didn't have to pay for anything.
• 1:08:01
  And it's just crazy to me. And then, you know, they did
• 1:08:04
  bring back Wizard one O 1, but I haven't touched that.
• 1:08:07
  I think also the Friday the 13th service shutting down too
• 1:08:10
  because I enjoyed that game for the little.
• 1:08:12
  It's funny. It's funny that she mentioned
• 1:08:14
  Club Penguin because at Toys-R-Us that I worked with,
• 1:08:18
  that was the gift card leaving our stores quickly.
• 1:08:21
  Before Minecraft K, people were always coming in buying a 20 or
• 1:08:26
  $50 Club Penguin and even definitely for birthday parties
• 1:08:29
  and stuff, they were buying it as gifts.
• 1:08:33
  Man, working at GameStop, I was like, man, what is this crack?
• 1:08:36
  Why, why are we, why are we selling at least 5 to 10?
• 1:08:40
  Like, like gift cards, you know, game cards a, a a week with
• 1:08:43
  this, with this thing. What is this?
• 1:08:45
  And not even like cheap ones either.
• 1:08:47
  I'm talking like $2050 ones. It's like what's going on?
• 1:08:52
  OK, so this is not so much a cancellation because the game
• 1:08:56
  did get released. It just never got released in in
• 1:08:59
  in the West or in the United States.
• 1:09:01
  Monster Hunter 2 the original Monster Hunter must monster or
• 1:09:05
  two game like like it. It dropped me to the point where
• 1:09:09
  I had to modify a PlayStation and start importing, importing
• 1:09:12
  Japanese games because like I so enjoyed the original Monster
• 1:09:17
  Runner game. And yeah, like, and like Matt
• 1:09:19
  said, like, you know, I've, I've been playing Monster Runner
• 1:09:21
  since it was, since it was brand new and stuff like that.
• 1:09:23
  And even though like I, I know, I know Monster Runner one was
• 1:09:27
  balls crushingly hard. It was a game that had a very
• 1:09:29
  hot, it had a very high level of injury and stuff like that and
• 1:09:32
  so like that. But, you know, like I played, I
• 1:09:34
  played the game. I played the game until, until
• 1:09:37
  Capcom said there was no more game to play, you know, server
• 1:09:39
  stayed up forever, you know, but you know, I was ready for
• 1:09:42
  something new. I heard Monster, it was called
• 1:09:44
  Monster Hunter Dose, Monster Hunter 2 Dose.
• 1:09:47
  And when I heard about it, like I started doing the readups on
• 1:09:49
  and stuff like that, I was like, man, they're changing some
• 1:09:51
  things about and stuff like that.
• 1:09:52
  And then we got and then we got the heartbreaking news.
• 1:09:54
  Like it didn't sell enough in the United States to warrant
• 1:09:56
  them, like even wanting to localize it and release it over
• 1:09:58
  here in the States and stuff like that.
• 1:10:00
  But Monster Hunter was a phenomenon over in Japan and
• 1:10:02
  stuff like that. You know, like they by the time
• 1:10:04
  Monster 2 came out, there was already 2 versions of the
• 1:10:07
  original Monster Hunter game, the first one in Japan and stuff
• 1:10:10
  like that. So I knew something was going
• 1:10:12
  on. But yeah, like it, it broke my
• 1:10:14
  heart. It broke my heart, you know, but
• 1:10:16
  eventually, like, we persevered, they relaunched Monster Hunter
• 1:10:19
  on the PSP and then, you know, Monster Hunter finally started
• 1:10:22
  taking off over in the West. It didn't really get fully
• 1:10:24
  realized until Monster Hunter 4, you know, But yeah, that was one
• 1:10:29
  of those ones like, you know, like when the news came out, I
• 1:10:31
  was like, there's there's no more this game happening.
• 1:10:34
  I and like, I was one of those people that had astronomical
• 1:10:36
  like, like runtime in that game. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure
• 1:10:39
  I I'm pretty sure the game the game clock was 999 hours from my
• 1:10:43
  from my playthrough monster. I played that game to death.
• 1:10:48
  But yeah. But the reason why I ask you
• 1:10:50
  guys for about about these game cancellations or accessories and
• 1:10:53
  stuff like that is because there is like an A sort of an agony
• 1:10:57
  for unfulfilled potential with all this stuff.
• 1:10:59
  You know, few things sting more than gaming than a canceled
• 1:11:02
  project or which is basically the abrupt ending of a promise
• 1:11:06
  of a promising world mechanics of stories that reshaped how we
• 1:11:10
  actually play as play play games, how we consume games.
• 1:11:14
  You know, these unrealized visitors don't just disappoint
• 1:11:17
  the fans. They fracture trust in All in
• 1:11:20
  all seriousness, using my monster an example for for a
• 1:11:24
  moment, right, like I understood, I understood Monster
• 1:11:26
  Hunter was like a was like a high level ministry game back
• 1:11:29
  then. So, you know, but at the same
• 1:11:31
  time, like I was also, I was really.
• 1:11:33
  Miffed. I was really myth by like, you
• 1:11:35
  know, like all the reviews are coming out and like in like the
• 1:11:37
  pop in like the popular magazines, like AGM and all that
• 1:11:40
  stuff. They were given like such
• 1:11:41
  middling reviews. And it's like, OK, I was reading
• 1:11:44
  these reviews and I was like, have you even tried to play this
• 1:11:46
  game? Because it doesn't seem like you
• 1:11:47
  played this game at all, you know, and stuff like that, you
• 1:11:48
  know, like very few of the people that reviewed it, you
• 1:11:52
  know, were like actually grasp what was going on.
• 1:11:55
  And I get it. You know, monster monster was a
• 1:11:58
  was a was a hunting was a life SIM based, you know, like that
• 1:12:01
  that's disguised as a hunting SIM.
• 1:12:03
  It was you know, but yeah, but eroding the trust right there,
• 1:12:08
  you know, is 1 is one of the major things, you know, whether
• 1:12:11
  it's games like Silent Hills, for example, or StarCraft Ghost,
• 1:12:17
  you know, let me see Anthem. Anthem Next was a was a project
• 1:12:22
  that I think is one of those ones that basically people had a
• 1:12:25
  sigh of relief that that one didn't happen, you know, you
• 1:12:28
  know. I forgot Steven Spielberg game
• 1:12:32
  got cancelled. Code name, LMNO Yeah, he had him
• 1:12:36
  in. EA was supposed to be doing the
• 1:12:38
  video game. And I remember reading, I had
• 1:12:41
  just looked it up and I'm just like, I remember Steven
• 1:12:43
  Spielberg saying that he was making the game.
• 1:12:46
  I didn't know who the publisher was, but I knew it got
• 1:12:50
  cancelled. And I think he probably would
• 1:12:52
  have been the first like big director to make a video game
• 1:12:57
  movie or have a this collaboration just with a video
• 1:13:02
  game company to make a game. Another one.
• 1:13:06
  Another one that that that broke.
• 1:13:08
  Boom blocks or something like that.
• 1:13:10
  Wasn't that him something? To do with boom.
• 1:13:14
  Blocks. I think so for on we right?
• 1:13:18
  Yeah. Yeah, that gave.
• 1:13:21
  Us dope. Yeah, another another one that
• 1:13:27
  that rocked my world. Go ahead.
• 1:13:30
  Go Ahead Boom Box is a 2008 puzzle video game by Electronic
• 1:13:33
  Arts for the Wii and Engage. It was developed by EA Los
• 1:13:36
  Angeles and directed by filmmaker Steven Spielberg.
• 1:13:40
  Yep, all. Right.
• 1:13:43
  Another one that another one that rocked my world was was the
• 1:13:46
  cancellation of the The Mass Effect Andromeda DLC.
• 1:13:50
  Oh yeah. That one, that one rocked my
• 1:13:52
  world because not seriousness like, you know, like I was
• 1:13:55
  waiting for more of the the Milky Way Galaxy, like like
• 1:13:57
  races to show up in Andromeda. So like, it really it really, it
• 1:14:01
  really stung when you're like, yeah, we're not getting a sequel
• 1:14:04
  and we're also not finishing the content that we started
• 1:14:07
  developing. Stuff like that.
• 1:14:08
  That one, that one stung even though even though Mass Effect
• 1:14:10
  Andromeda is like my, my least rated Mass Effect game, you
• 1:14:13
  know, I was still looking forward to it.
• 1:14:16
  It is my least rated one like like, well, OK, maybe not
• 1:14:20
  because I rated higher than the original Mass Effect.
• 1:14:22
  And I know Matt's probably going to like walk all the way down
• 1:14:25
  down to Virginia and and slap the shit out of me because.
• 1:14:28
  I was saying my because to me my should.
• 1:14:31
  Be I've heard you said plenty of wrong things.
• 1:14:33
  You know it's fine. I would I would say 2 is top
• 1:14:36
  tier, 3 is under 2, Andromeda and then one.
• 1:14:42
  I respect, I respect that. I respect that because because
• 1:14:44
  like I feel like, I feel like my, I put my love for certain
• 1:14:47
  Mass Effect titles are on a sliding scale.
• 1:14:49
  Like it all depends on where my where my heads at when I think
• 1:14:51
  about them at certain points and stuff like that.
• 1:14:53
  But yeah, so, so let me ask, let me ask all you guys on the
• 1:14:58
  panel, why do these why why are these types of ghosts haunt us?
• 1:15:02
  Like what? What is it about it?
• 1:15:03
  Yeah, like Matt kind of already said, like he's not that
• 1:15:06
  invested in gaming that, you know, he doesn't get like the
• 1:15:09
  seismic shifts whenever like stuff stuff shuts down or never
• 1:15:13
  happens and stuff like that. And that's and that's cool.
• 1:15:15
  As a matter of fact, I think you'd probably the most level
• 1:15:17
  headed out of all of us because like I can get really
• 1:15:19
  passionate, you know, you know, like Dead Space fell off the map
• 1:15:23
  after Dead Space 3, even though I even though I enjoyed Dead
• 1:15:26
  Space 3, I I enjoyed Dead Space 3.
• 1:15:28
  And if you played the you played the deal, the final DLC chapter
• 1:15:31
  for Dead Space three, you saw they had a plan that was going
• 1:15:34
  to like the next game would have wrapped up the entire series and
• 1:15:37
  stuff like that. It just never happened and stuff
• 1:15:39
  like that. So you know, like Dead Space was
• 1:15:41
  dead, you know, until the remake came out.
• 1:15:43
  The remake comes out. It's it is it is the best Dead
• 1:15:48
  Space game ever at this point now.
• 1:15:51
  And then we get the heartbreaking news again that,
• 1:15:53
  you know, there is going to go a different direction now.
• 1:15:58
  Yeah. So, yeah, like, I know, right?
• 1:16:02
  I know, right. The five million, 5 million
• 1:16:04
  copies, apparently, you know, like whatever, you know, it's
• 1:16:12
  it's just, it's just it's maddening.
• 1:16:14
  It's maddening. And and you know, for people
• 1:16:17
  like me who are invested in franchises and stuff and
• 1:16:19
  investing characters, you know, like every game has a good
• 1:16:22
  character. People are going to argue the
• 1:16:24
  trifecta of Chris Redfield, Jill Valentine, and Leon S Kennedy.
• 1:16:28
  You know, when it comes to Resident Evil, people are going
• 1:16:31
  to be all about, you know, like, like mail Shep or film Shep.
• 1:16:34
  When it comes to Mass Effect, you know, people are going to be
• 1:16:37
  all about like, you know, like, like, like, like Ahachi Kazia
• 1:16:40
  and Jen Kazama and in Tekken and stuff like that.
• 1:16:44
  But there's also other things that actually like imprint on
• 1:16:46
  people. Like could you, could you
• 1:16:49
  imagine a world where Nintendo's like, we're done making Mario
• 1:16:52
  games? Can you imagine that world?
• 1:16:55
  I mean, it's going to happen someday.
• 1:16:57
  It might not happen. It might not happen in any of
• 1:16:59
  our, in, in, in any of our real, like, gaming lifetimes, you
• 1:17:02
  know, but it's, it's going to happen, you know, but just just
• 1:17:07
  imagine like the void that stuff leaves, you know, or there's
• 1:17:10
  been, there's been a couple of Zelda projects that got
• 1:17:13
  cancelled and, you know, in, in Metroid projects.
• 1:17:15
  And, you know, us, us Metroid fans have never looked at the
• 1:17:18
  same again, you know? Yeah.
• 1:17:24
  I'm just upset because it means I'm getting older.
• 1:17:28
  That too. That too.
• 1:17:29
  That too. Well, for the cancellation of
• 1:17:34
  like, you know, we come from a Nintendo perspective, like
• 1:17:39
  Nintendo will cancel some stuff if we don't hear anything about
• 1:17:42
  it from them or they don't show anything.
• 1:17:45
  But usually, like, they may have a good idea if game might get
• 1:17:49
  cancelled, but they may use that idea or ask yourself it in
• 1:17:53
  different games. And when we find out from those
• 1:17:58
  directors and producers that, you know, some of the gameplay
• 1:18:02
  elements were intended for their canceled game showing up in this
• 1:18:06
  game, it's kind of cool. Like they tell them what kind of
• 1:18:09
  recycle. I I think like when Heartbeck, I
• 1:18:14
  just say back in the day when Harvard got cancelled and
• 1:18:17
  everything, a lot of people weren't thinking about Harvard
• 1:18:21
  getting cancelled because we were so focused on Nintendo, a
• 1:18:25
  Sega and then Nintendo and PlayStation and then Nintendo,
• 1:18:28
  PlayStation and Microsoft. And you know, we didn't really
• 1:18:33
  hear a lot about consoles getting cancelled or consoles
• 1:18:37
  not even making it over here. Gangs being cancelled was really
• 1:18:41
  rare at a time I think we when like we've got more to modern
• 1:18:48
  gangs. We started hearing more about
• 1:18:50
  gangs being cancelled due to budget, due to the project not
• 1:18:57
  going in the direction that they wanted to go.
• 1:19:02
  You know, maybe people have left the project or got taken off,
• 1:19:06
  Maybe the the director or producer we're smooth to a
• 1:19:09
  different project and those companies cancelled it and
• 1:19:13
  stuff. Or even there, there's been some
• 1:19:16
  games like Legacy, OK, I think this fourth game was supposed to
• 1:19:22
  come out and they shut that whole developer down and stuff.
• 1:19:28
  And like the game I think was almost complete and everything.
• 1:19:31
  And they were just like, Nope, we're not, we're not giving you
• 1:19:33
  guys any money because it's taking you guys too long to
• 1:19:36
  develop or we don't like what you got.
• 1:19:38
  So they they shut the whole developer down.
• 1:19:41
  You know, I want to pick up I want to pick up real quickly
• 1:19:43
  about like what you said about like you can tend to a cancel
• 1:19:46
  project, but then like you would see like you would see like, you
• 1:19:48
  know, like like like fragments of like what they were
• 1:19:51
  developing that in a cancel game that winds up in a that winds up
• 1:19:55
  in like other games that, you know, we're not even where
• 1:19:57
  anywhere close to like that that that game they're developing,
• 1:20:00
  stuff like that. I called, I called the what if
• 1:20:02
  factor because like basically what happens is like, yeah, like
• 1:20:06
  we this was supposed to be in this game, but it winds up in
• 1:20:08
  this game, there's nowhere related to it and stuff like
• 1:20:10
  that. And then it makes and then it
• 1:20:11
  makes gamers a little more, a little more, you know, like they
• 1:20:15
  they basically are finding for that game that was cancelled and
• 1:20:18
  stuff like that because they saw like some of the magic that
• 1:20:21
  would have happened if that game had had fruition and stuff like
• 1:20:24
  that. I like that you mentioned that
• 1:20:26
  because like what what ifs? Are, are, are, are all.
• 1:20:29
  Over like forms and that's boards, you know, when it comes
• 1:20:32
  to like old, old canceled video games and stuff like that.
• 1:20:34
  So I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah, I I kind of was wondering
• 1:20:40
  what was Sega do if they didn't get out the hardware business?
• 1:20:44
  I wanted that. I wanted to ask you all the
• 1:20:46
  time. Yeah.
• 1:20:47
  And Speaking of Speaking of hardware and stuff like that,
• 1:20:49
  you know, that hardware, you know, and ancestries that that
• 1:20:52
  that were cancelled, that change, like gaming, the
• 1:20:55
  Nintendo PlayStation, for example, like, you know, like
• 1:20:58
  that project was was going on between 1991 and it was
• 1:21:01
  officially called, you're officially like, like pronounced
• 1:21:05
  dead in 1996 and stuff like that.
• 1:21:07
  Everyone knows that was the prototype that Nintendo and Sony
• 1:21:10
  had gotten together for. That would have been like the
• 1:21:12
  the Nintendo 64 disk drive system and stuff like that.
• 1:21:16
  Nintendo backed out the deal with Sony opting to stick with
• 1:21:19
  cartridges which led built CDI to A to a deal instead and Sony
• 1:21:23
  later. You know, the rest is history at
• 1:21:26
  that point. The Kinect for the Xbox One,
• 1:21:30
  there was a bad marketing strategy when we think about
• 1:21:33
  this in the 1st place, it was discontinued in 2017, but
• 1:21:37
  Microsoft just ramming it down our throats and bundling it with
• 1:21:40
  the Xbox One honestly hurt the sales because people were kind
• 1:21:43
  of already over it. And it was it was more niche
• 1:21:45
  hardware than anything else, stuff like that.
• 1:21:47
  So. It it it.
• 1:21:48
  Really stunted the Xbox One sales, you know, in the in those
• 1:21:51
  in those early in those early months and stuff like that.
• 1:21:55
  And of course like. Soddy had what was the one that
• 1:21:59
  Sony had? Not the move, but they had like
• 1:22:01
  that Magic Book gang, like Sony was doing some stuff.
• 1:22:06
  It was. The game it was the the
• 1:22:09
  PlayStation Move, that's what. It was.
• 1:22:11
  It was for PlayStation Move, Yeah, yeah, OK 'cause yeah,
• 1:22:15
  there was some stuff like that. Sony even canceled after like
• 1:22:20
  some of their PlayStation Move games came out and that that
• 1:22:23
  ended up getting cancelled. And I know there was like this
• 1:22:25
  big one that was like supposed to deal with magic.
• 1:22:29
  Wonder Book. Wonder Book.
• 1:22:31
  Yeah, yeah. OK, I remember that.
• 1:22:33
  I remember that. Yeah.
• 1:22:35
  And you know, ultimately the real strategy isn't just that
• 1:22:37
  these games died, it's that they were allowed to die for the most
• 1:22:40
  part. You know, like we can look at
• 1:22:43
  like over promising that was happening, you know, from the
• 1:22:45
  developers and, and, and the companies core management, of
• 1:22:48
  course, toxic corporate culture, which, you know, kind of kind of
• 1:22:52
  was like, you know, mentioned that all turned cancellations
• 1:22:55
  into self-inflicted wounds for the company.
• 1:22:57
  And of course, and of course, it all goes back to like in the
• 1:22:59
  rows and the trust between the gamers and the companies
• 1:23:01
  themselves and stuff like that. Are there any, are there are
• 1:23:04
  there any other honourable mentions that you guys want to
• 1:23:06
  want to go? Because I think we I think we
• 1:23:09
  get ready to talk about what we've been playing and get ready
• 1:23:11
  to wrap the show up. Values to Have was planned to
• 1:23:15
  make a console out of Steam, they had I think 2 versions of
• 1:23:20
  it and they'll they never got made.
• 1:23:23
  They ended up getting cancelled. Oh, I haven't.
• 1:23:26
  Oh, I have an honorable mention. I have an honorable mention.
• 1:23:28
  And anyone's a Platinum Games fan?
• 1:23:31
  Remembers the name. Scalebound.
• 1:23:34
  Yep, Yep, Yep. Cancelled in 2017.
• 1:23:36
  Let me just tell you, my little brother had never imagined
• 1:23:42
  wanting to buy an Xbox. When he saw the stuff for
• 1:23:44
  Scalebound, he was like, oh, this is my game, I'm going to
• 1:23:47
  buy an Xbox. I'm going to buy an Xbox when
• 1:23:49
  this game comes out. It got cancelled.
• 1:23:51
  He has never bought an Xbox. So he's, he's got to this day,
• 1:23:53
  he's never owned an Xbox system. Bandai Knuckles allegedly
• 1:23:58
  version of Metroid Prime 4 before they gave it back to
• 1:24:02
  Retro. The the studio didn't Nintendo
• 1:24:06
  didn't think it was going in a great way and the game literally
• 1:24:09
  got cancelled and restarted with Retro.
• 1:24:12
  Yeah, yeah. And I kind of wanted to see I'm
• 1:24:14
  like Ben and Nico making a metro gay.
• 1:24:18
  I would love to see what they would have.
• 1:24:20
  Luckily they had Mercury system or mercury.
• 1:24:23
  In the first person. Dark Souls, like it'd be a first
• 1:24:26
  person shooter Dark Souls, that's what it would be.
• 1:24:30
  Yeah. Anybody else have anything to
• 1:24:32
  chime in? Nope all.
• 1:24:35
  Right cool well just to sum this all up cancel games, hardware
• 1:24:40
  and accessories often leave behind a mix of frustration and
• 1:24:43
  and fascination as well. For some like silent hills, they
• 1:24:48
  will all live on an infamy. You know, Silent Hills basically
• 1:24:51
  like Kojima and and Konami had a falling out and you know, like
• 1:24:56
  there wouldn't a perfect idea. You know the playable teaser.
• 1:24:58
  Will, will will. Rest on anybody's Playstations
• 1:25:01
  that have not been hooked up to the Internet since they took it
• 1:25:03
  off the servers. And then while others like
• 1:25:07
  Anthem necks are seen as necessary cuts, hard work
• 1:25:10
  cancellations like the like the Nintendo PlayStation demonstrate
• 1:25:13
  how one decision can reshape the entire industry.
• 1:25:15
  Yeah, whether met with outrage or relief, these canceled
• 1:25:19
  projects remind us that even in failure, they leave an indelible
• 1:25:23
  mark on the gaming industry. So there we have it.
• 1:25:27
  One last thing, we're moving on. We're not including fan games
• 1:25:33
  that also got canceled and stuff because.
• 1:25:36
  We will, because we will immediately start hating
• 1:25:38
  Nintendo and you don't want to bring that fire out of me
• 1:25:41
  tonight. Not even, not even that there
• 1:25:43
  was a, they're literally back in I think early 2000s or maybe in
• 1:25:47
  the 90s, there was a fan remake of Chrono Trigger that's going
• 1:25:51
  to be footy 3D and animated in 3D that was going to come out
• 1:25:55
  and it ended up getting cancelled.
• 1:25:57
  Yeah, it was, it was, it was looking really, really nice.
• 1:26:00
  I think it might have actually been for PlayStation One, but it
• 1:26:04
  was like some of the fan remakes not including like Nintendo
• 1:26:08
  stuff or anything. Some of the fan remake stuff
• 1:26:10
  that ended up getting cancelled that looked like it had a lot of
• 1:26:12
  problems and stuff. It's something that we didn't
• 1:26:16
  bring in the conversation, but I just wanted to mention it to
• 1:26:18
  include that. Well, I, I was trying to avoid
• 1:26:21
  fan stuff because like I feel like that's, I feel like that's
• 1:26:23
  a topic by itself. All right, all right, all right.
• 1:26:28
  So so now it's time to move into what we've been playing.
• 1:26:32
  So Yep, everybody just let us know real quickly what you guys
• 1:26:35
  have been playing, you know, how fascinating or how fun it is for
• 1:26:37
  you and stuff like that. And then we're going to go ahead
• 1:26:39
  and get ready to wrap the show up.
• 1:26:41
  Whoopi, you start first. I went back to playing a dating
• 1:26:48
  SIM based on Resident Evil village where you can date any
• 1:26:51
  of the villains in the game. Fan made.
• 1:26:53
  It was very fun. Except every ending you die It's
• 1:26:57
  it's messed up. Actually, I got the good ending
• 1:27:01
  with Bayla. I got.
• 1:27:02
  I feel like you're just fixing, you're picking toxic partners.
• 1:27:05
  OK, you know what I don't want to.
• 1:27:06
  I don't want to know how you get a good ending with wet who can
• 1:27:09
  only 1A tactic. Partner in that game.
• 1:27:11
  Yeah. It's fun, I enjoy it.
• 1:27:17
  OK. Matt.
• 1:27:21
  One of my friends bought me a Dead by Daylight dating
• 1:27:24
  simulator as a gift on that's a thing.
• 1:27:27
  I played that, That is a thing. This is reminding.
• 1:27:33
  And I romanced Huntress, Yeah. I feel like see I'm I'm trying
• 1:27:43
  not to ask questions about like how the how the romance went
• 1:27:47
  with Leggy. DIII actually.
• 1:27:50
  Never. Because I feel that ironically I
• 1:27:53
  I almost have her older daughter.
• 1:27:54
  I actually have like a full I have a full light tattoo of
• 1:27:57
  Bella from resident but I never actually finished it because I
• 1:28:04
  was weird state I don't know and she is one of the professors.
• 1:28:09
  If you're curious, it takes place at a university.
• 1:28:12
  Oh man, oh man. Matt, tell us what you've been
• 1:28:15
  playing, please. I've I've actually not been
• 1:28:18
  playing video games. OK, get the hell out.
• 1:28:21
  Of me, I I've, I've been playing.
• 1:28:23
  No, I've I have been playing a game.
• 1:28:27
  You even. You even game bro, Even.
• 1:28:29
  Game. Oh, oh, I game hard, Sir.
• 1:28:32
  I game hard, let me tell. You phrasing, phrasing,
• 1:28:35
  phrasing. I chose my words and I stand by
• 1:28:38
  them. I don't know if southern accent
• 1:28:43
  just started to come out of me there for a.
• 1:28:44
  Second, I know, right? But so there is there was a
• 1:28:51
  there was a game that was announced on Kickstarter in
• 1:28:57
  2015. You might have heard of it.
• 1:29:00
  It's called Dark Souls, the board game.
• 1:29:06
  These are these are these are the same people that did a board
• 1:29:10
  game that is soon to be entering Laurent's collection, Monster
• 1:29:14
  Hunter Ice Board, the game that put them on the map is a game
• 1:29:21
  that came out in 2014, also by Kickstarter.
• 1:29:24
  It's called Guild Ball. It is essentially A miniatures
• 1:29:27
  game and it's it is themed around medieval guilds.
• 1:29:33
  So like you have morticians, you have alchemists, you have
• 1:29:36
  butchers, you have Masons, you have Brewers and it is a soccer
• 1:29:41
  game. It it, it was one of those
• 1:29:46
  things. I found it because of the Dark
• 1:29:47
  Souls Kickstarter, because I wanted to see like what other
• 1:29:50
  board games are out there. So I figured look at see what
• 1:29:52
  these guys did. I fell in love with this game so
• 1:29:57
  hard and I have no like board gamer friends locally.
• 1:30:01
  I didn't at the time, but I would, I found ways to like
• 1:30:07
  engage with it and become part of its community.
• 1:30:13
  They, there's a, I'm assuming we've all heard of like Tabletop
• 1:30:18
  Simulator. So there's a, there is a
• 1:30:23
  tabletop module collection, I think we'll call it, or it's an
• 1:30:28
  engine that's called Vassal and you can play Guild ball on that.
• 1:30:33
  You don't have to like buy any of the guilds to do it.
• 1:30:36
  You don't have to buy anything. So I would play on that and that
• 1:30:41
  was like a very that was a very obtuse and hard to get into way
• 1:30:48
  to play that. But because everybody in that
• 1:30:50
  community was like so welcoming, they wanted, they had all the
• 1:30:56
  time in the world to teach you. So I did a lot of that.
• 1:31:00
  I eventually found some people near me where I can play.
• 1:31:03
  But then I was also a healthcare worker and the pandemic hadn't
• 1:31:06
  happened yet. The pandemic scuppered a lot of
• 1:31:09
  my in person play of Guild ball. And then in late 2020, Steam
• 1:31:16
  forged announced that they were not going to support the game
• 1:31:20
  anymore. Because the short answer is
• 1:31:24
  they, they, they stated that the people who took it to a
• 1:31:29
  competitive level kind of ruined it for casual people.
• 1:31:34
  It's not in so many words. But like they alluded to that.
• 1:31:38
  But last year I found out earlier, I found out probably
• 1:31:42
  two months ago that last year they decided to start re
• 1:31:46
  examining supporting the game again.
• 1:31:49
  So when I found out about this, I'm like, OK, I have to find
• 1:31:53
  people online. I have to try and find people
• 1:31:56
  locally to play with. I have to I, it was one of those
• 1:32:02
  things I kind of felt like I kind of wanted to take ownership
• 1:32:04
  of my fandom of this thing because I don't want it to go
• 1:32:08
  away again. The beautiful thing is there's
• 1:32:12
  been what is called the Guild Ball Community Project.
• 1:32:15
  I know this is going along. I'm sorry.
• 1:32:16
  Just this, this is all really important to us.
• 1:32:20
  People that were in the competitive and casual scene for
• 1:32:24
  this game decided to take up the mantle and keep supporting it.
• 1:32:27
  So like they kind of did what the people who did Black Mesa
• 1:32:32
  for half life, they were were basically fan making a game with
• 1:32:39
  all of the things that already existed.
• 1:32:41
  They they even did they even erratic model models.
• 1:32:45
  They even came up with like they adjusted the rule sets to change
• 1:32:50
  the way certain guilds play and they added their own to the
• 1:32:55
  game. And when steam forges announced
• 1:32:58
  that they were going to try and re examine support, they said
• 1:33:00
  basically, we've looked at what the community project has been
• 1:33:03
  doing over the past five years and said, hey, apparently we
• 1:33:09
  were wrong. And the people who are super
• 1:33:11
  competitive with this thing really actually care about it,
• 1:33:16
  which I think is a, which I think is a beautiful thing.
• 1:33:19
  So basically, so basically they were under the assumption that
• 1:33:22
  the hardcore people were toxic. So they basically lost the
• 1:33:25
  project, lost the project not realizing.
• 1:33:30
  So it's a miniatures game. So and and I found out because
• 1:33:36
  this was the only miniatures game I've ever really played,
• 1:33:39
  but it's something that like you had you there.
• 1:33:41
  What when it first came out, there wasn't like a full way to
• 1:33:45
  play it in one way. Like it took them two years to
• 1:33:48
  come up with what's called the kickoff box, which is a board
• 1:33:52
  that has the pitch, two teams so two people can play and enough
• 1:33:57
  things to like measure and keep scoring and everything.
• 1:34:01
  A lot of that was done so piece meal like almost almost like
• 1:34:05
  people just trying to homebrew AD and D set up that it and then
• 1:34:14
  when it that it wasn't it didn't exist that way.
• 1:34:17
  It didn't exist like a normal board game, at least from my
• 1:34:21
  point of view. But so I've been over the past
• 1:34:28
  like month or so, I've been reacquainting myself with Guild
• 1:34:31
  ball. I have actually found several
• 1:34:35
  people that are really local to me in a, in a, in a gaming store
• 1:34:40
  that's local to me where they just allow people to come in and
• 1:34:42
  play. So I've I've gotten I've gotten,
• 1:34:46
  I've I've gotten back into it, I've played some games, I've
• 1:34:49
  gotten my teeth kicked absolutely the fuck in and I
• 1:34:53
  couldn't be. I couldn't be happier to be re
• 1:34:56
  falling in love with this thing. That's that's pretty cool.
• 1:34:59
  That's pretty good. So I've been playing.
• 1:35:00
  They have two, they have two modules online that you can
• 1:35:03
  play. There's one called War Table,
• 1:35:05
  and then there's Vassal that I mentioned before.
• 1:35:08
  All of these have access to all of the guilds.
• 1:35:11
  All of the people playing really need to know and understand is
• 1:35:14
  that you need to know. You need to know the rules and
• 1:35:18
  you need to have an understanding of how your guilds
• 1:35:20
  play, and that's all repetition anyway.
• 1:35:24
  So Trump and because I was worried that I wouldn't be able
• 1:35:27
  to find people to play, the Community Project does a
• 1:35:30
  tournament every month and I signed up for one.
• 1:35:34
  I played my first tournament game, which is something I
• 1:35:37
  always wanted to do back then. And to to fulfill that made me
• 1:35:45
  so happy. And then after the I mean, I
• 1:35:47
  lost the game 13 four. It's like a round Robin thing.
• 1:35:51
  So I'm not like out of it. I have another game.
• 1:35:54
  It's Saturday, but I lost 13 four.
• 1:35:59
  And in re examining like who's in like I just, I found a,
• 1:36:04
  there's a, there's a, there's a website called Longshanks that
• 1:36:06
  does like all sorts of tabletop like rankings.
• 1:36:10
  And I just looked at Guild ball. All the people in this community
• 1:36:13
  project are like in the top 50 in the world.
• 1:36:18
  My first game in this tournament was overall against the overall
• 1:36:23
  ranked #3 So the fact that the fact that I scored on this guy
• 1:36:30
  makes me happy. Take no wins.
• 1:36:36
  I mean, yeah. And like, and he and he was
• 1:36:39
  really kind to like sit with me for a little bit after the game.
• 1:36:42
  He's like, look, you, you, you look like you have ideas on the
• 1:36:47
  table, but you also play like someone who's out of practice.
• 1:36:52
  I'm like, that's me. It's been five years.
• 1:36:55
  Give me. And he was like, OK, well,
• 1:36:57
  basically you keep playing. And he asked because like the,
• 1:37:00
  the guilds I'm playing now in this tournament is Butchers.
• 1:37:03
  And I was not a Butchers player back then.
• 1:37:05
  I actually rolled AD 20 because there are 19 guilds and I got #4
• 1:37:11
  and went alphabetical order. And the fourth one is the
• 1:37:13
  Butchers. It's one it and he was like, you
• 1:37:21
  definitely play like someone who doesn't mean this.
• 1:37:24
  You play like someone who's out of practice.
• 1:37:26
  But if you keep going, I have a feeling you and I are going to
• 1:37:30
  be seeing each other a lot. That really, that really made me
• 1:37:33
  happy. That was a nice confidence
• 1:37:35
  confidence booster. Yeah, and whether whether or not
• 1:37:38
  he was gassing me up, I don't care.
• 1:37:41
  Hey, get gassed up. Get gassed up man.
• 1:37:44
  But but yeah, I'm I'm back playing this.
• 1:37:47
  I'm playing it and I'm actually, I've actually ordered paints to
• 1:37:50
  paint my miniatures that I still have from back then.
• 1:37:54
  I've ordered more guilds and if if if we all if any of you all
• 1:38:02
  ever end up real close to me and want to learn about it.
• 1:38:06
  Probably takes about two hours to get a game in for your first
• 1:38:09
  time, but it's really fun. I suggest you look into it.
• 1:38:13
  It's if you have any sort of tabletop interest.
• 1:38:18
  Guild ball is really cool and where most mini games require
• 1:38:23
  hundreds of dollars of investment just to get to the
• 1:38:27
  table, Guild ball doesn't. There are major guilds that have
• 1:38:33
  two essentially 2 teams per Guild.
• 1:38:35
  There are minor guilds that only have one.
• 1:38:37
  And if you wanted to actually try it on like NASAL or war
• 1:38:42
  table, that's all free. Like you can, you can literally
• 1:38:47
  move the things around online and like get a get a feel for it
• 1:38:52
  for free and then try it if you want to, if you want to try and
• 1:38:57
  get to the table. But yeah, this game is really
• 1:39:00
  cool. I love it so much.
• 1:39:02
  And I have a feeling if I'm ever back again, which I'm never
• 1:39:06
  going away, you'll hear me talking.
• 1:39:10
  About all right back, please go next, you know.
• 1:39:15
  All right, well, I picked up Mafia the Old Country, and I am
• 1:39:20
  loving that game right now. I have been looking at a lot of
• 1:39:24
  the gameplay footage and I'm like this feels like freaking
• 1:39:28
  Uncharted and I need a a game like that right now so tell me
• 1:39:31
  about it. It's definitely not uncharted,
• 1:39:35
  but. It is.
• 1:39:35
  Very It's cinematic like it. The graphics are very good.
• 1:39:40
  If you played Mafia the Definitive Edition that came out
• 1:39:44
  not too long ago, it plays exactly like that.
• 1:39:50
  So it is in a sense it is an open world.
• 1:39:53
  However, the story itself is an extremely linear story and it
• 1:39:59
  has essentially 2 modes. You have the story mode which
• 1:40:03
  will go from mission to mission to mission with no stop, or you
• 1:40:07
  have the open mode which allows you then to just kind of go
• 1:40:12
  explore the world and find collectibles and stuff.
• 1:40:15
  That I don't believe there's any side questioning in that.
• 1:40:17
  It's just explore. Get cars, get horses, find all
• 1:40:22
  the little like things that you can collect.
• 1:40:27
  The story though has been really good.
• 1:40:29
  Like I have been enjoying the characters.
• 1:40:32
  It isn't too much different than the story that Mafia Definitive
• 1:40:37
  Edition kind of told. You play as a young man named
• 1:40:42
  Enzo, who is he kind of came from nothing and was sold to a
• 1:40:49
  mine as a child by his father to pay off debt.
• 1:40:53
  And as he tries to escape this mine, he lands in the grounds of
• 1:41:00
  a mafia boss who takes him in and, you know, says if you work,
• 1:41:06
  you know, we'll protect you. And so you kind of follow him as
• 1:41:10
  he grows up through the ranks of this mafia, as well as maybe
• 1:41:15
  taking a shine to the the Don's daughter.
• 1:41:21
  That that, that won't end well. But it's been a very good like
• 1:41:26
  it's it's a very believable story so far.
• 1:41:30
  Nothing that seems like completely like out there like,
• 1:41:33
  oh, this, this love feels forced or like, no, that totally would
• 1:41:38
  not happen. Like I've I've really enjoyed it
• 1:41:44
  so far. So yeah.
• 1:41:48
  And I look forward It's it's supposed to be a short
• 1:41:51
  adventure. I've finished about 5 of the 14
• 1:41:56
  chapters already. So.
• 1:42:00
  But other than that, I've also picked up during my vacation.
• 1:42:04
  Is this seat taken, which I know Eddie also probably wants to
• 1:42:08
  talk about, but this is this is good.
• 1:42:12
  This is a matchmaking game. By matchmaking, I don't mean
• 1:42:15
  like, you know, put like get two people together and you know,
• 1:42:19
  have the fall of love. It's matchmaking a sense of you
• 1:42:22
  have a person and they have preferences and you've tried to
• 1:42:26
  place the person on the screen based on the preference.
• 1:42:31
  So they may be like, oh, I don't want to be standing next to a
• 1:42:34
  smelly person or I want to be next to my friend here.
• 1:42:38
  But there's only like a certain amount of seats where you can
• 1:42:41
  like place them. And your goal is to place all
• 1:42:44
  these people and, or objects in a position that makes everyone
• 1:42:50
  happy. And it's addicting because like
• 1:42:56
  they start you off pretty simple, but these puzzles are
• 1:42:59
  getting more and more complex as the game goes on.
• 1:43:02
  And it it's, it's peaceful, it's chill.
• 1:43:07
  And I just keep wanting to like get on to the next puzzle and
• 1:43:13
  like see what other like little offerings that they have.
• 1:43:18
  Like it's gotten to the point where you have to interact with
• 1:43:21
  stuff on the map to, let's say, turn on an air conditioning or
• 1:43:24
  turn on a light so that bugs go to a certain spot.
• 1:43:28
  So they aren't like bugging people that don't want to be
• 1:43:31
  bugged by bugs. It's a it's, it's smart, and I
• 1:43:37
  like it. I see.
• 1:43:40
  Nice. All right, Eddie, what you got
• 1:43:42
  for us? So just like Pat said playing
• 1:43:48
  it's the seat taken. I'm man, I just got done doing
• 1:43:52
  the diner section and realizing that people could share burgers
• 1:43:57
  or coffee and stuff like that, making them happy.
• 1:44:00
  So it's it's a really cool puzzle game.
• 1:44:02
  Like right now I'm back in the movie theater.
• 1:44:05
  So right, there's three places, I think a movie theater, a diner
• 1:44:11
  and a bus that. There's a lot more places that
• 1:44:16
  open up, so it's not just those kind of puzzles.
• 1:44:19
  OK. And when you do something puzzle
• 1:44:23
  like when everybody is satisfied, couple of characters
• 1:44:28
  disappear and then new characters appear.
• 1:44:30
  So you can have more space in our thinking that you got to
• 1:44:34
  think of that way. So I'm really having a fun time
• 1:44:38
  with that. I'm playing Resident Evil 5 also
• 1:44:42
  on Switch, enjoying that I beat it before on PS3 with one of my
• 1:44:48
  friends. So I beat the game before, but
• 1:44:50
  I'm just like, I just want to play something like really on
• 1:44:54
  easy. It's just get some action, see
• 1:44:56
  how I could, if I could get through this game by myself.
• 1:44:59
  And so I'm playing Resident Evil 5 also I'm playing rule, I'm
• 1:45:03
  sorry, not rule guardian of Azure Rule Factory.
• 1:45:08
  I'm really enjoying that game, about to get into some farming
• 1:45:12
  and then the more RBG action aspect to it.
• 1:45:18
  Yeah and then Rodo I the remaster gang being a detective.
• 1:45:25
  Well, should I get the title right?
• 1:45:28
  Rodo the mystery, Yeah right dude.
• 1:45:30
  The mystery of the soulless army, actually, yeah, that one
• 1:45:36
  is the game key card, one I was selling around.
• 1:45:42
  We was having to talk earlier that I put it in, I let the game
• 1:45:48
  download then it really, it took a while, but that's the number
• 1:45:52
  for it. And now every time I put the
• 1:45:54
  game in it literally loads like it's a regular game.
• 1:45:57
  So and it feels like it's a regular, you know, it feels like
• 1:45:59
  a, a regular Nintendo Switch 2 game.
• 1:46:02
  So but I played a little bit of that and really, really enjoying
• 1:46:05
  enjoying that. So I can't wait to get into some
• 1:46:07
  more cases and fight and collect enemies or friends and stuff.
• 1:46:13
  I'm super excited for that. Last but not least, Mina the
• 1:46:17
  Hollower. I played that a couple of days
• 1:46:21
  ago, beat the demo for it, but it just got an update on Switch
• 1:46:26
  to. I don't know what that update
• 1:46:28
  does yet. So I'm going to replay the game
• 1:46:31
  again and I'm going to choose a different weapon.
• 1:46:34
  I used a hammer for my first playthrough, but I want to
• 1:46:38
  choose the whip with this one and see what this update is all
• 1:46:43
  about. But yeah, that's pretty much all
• 1:46:45
  that I've been playing for right now.
• 1:46:47
  I'll be getting back to my Xbox soon after I come back from
• 1:46:51
  backs. OK cool.
• 1:46:54
  This is going to be really quick and simple for me.
• 1:46:57
  I, I am, I am currently doing a doing a last minute playthrough
• 1:47:02
  of Final Fantasy Tactics, the word lions version, which which
• 1:47:05
  I actually, I actually have AI actually patched the, the PSP
• 1:47:08
  version. So like all the glitches with
• 1:47:11
  like, you know, casting spells and like doing attacks and stuff
• 1:47:14
  like that slow down. It happens.
• 1:47:15
  Like that's gone. I patched that out of there.
• 1:47:18
  But just in case anyone's wondering where I'm at right
• 1:47:20
  now, I'm still in chapter 1, but I'm in the part of the story
• 1:47:22
  where where, you know, the guys like kidnap Tetra and and try to
• 1:47:27
  kidnap Alma and then Zalbag comes out there like AG and
• 1:47:30
  that's one of those guys down and forces everybody else to run
• 1:47:34
  and stuff like that. I forgot how raw this game was.
• 1:47:37
  And, and, and that's sad for me to say because like, because
• 1:47:40
  like, Final Fantasy Tactics is probably my favorite Final
• 1:47:43
  Fantasy game. Ever.
• 1:47:45
  Ever. You know, and so just for the
• 1:47:47
  fact I'm like being pleasantly surprised now I'm sort of like,
• 1:47:50
  man, should I continue playing this or should I just wait for
• 1:47:52
  the evil Lisa, the evil least chronicles that to happen?
• 1:47:55
  You know, like I'm I'm really like I I think I want to be
• 1:47:57
  surprised all over again and not ruin my surprises before like
• 1:48:01
  the game comes out and stuff like that.
• 1:48:02
  So yeah, there's that. I think this game is going to
• 1:48:05
  sell bigger than ever. I, I think, I think
• 1:48:12
  proportionately it's going to sell just the same as it did on
• 1:48:14
  the PS1 outing as well as the PSP outing and now this outing.
• 1:48:18
  I really, I want to say proportionate.
• 1:48:20
  I mean, it's going to undersell, but it's not going to do what we
• 1:48:24
  feel like it should do. I think it's going to do more
• 1:48:27
  because it's on more platforms compared to it being on
• 1:48:29
  PlayStation One. It's on it's on PS1 it's on PSP
• 1:48:35
  it's on PC it's on mobile like I mean like it can only sell but
• 1:48:39
  so much at this point, you know I'm.
• 1:48:42
  Probably just, I'm probably thinking then of just the first
• 1:48:45
  version, the original fun fancy tactics.
• 1:48:47
  When it came out PS1, it didn't. I don't think it did so well
• 1:48:51
  because a lot of people didn't talk about it.
• 1:48:53
  The War of the Lions version is only unique to the PSP, like the
• 1:48:57
  other versions of the only version of Final Fantasy Tactics
• 1:48:59
  is the original 1. You know, on PC and on on
• 1:49:02
  mobile. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:49:04
  Did it do? Did it do better on PSP?
• 1:49:11
  I didn't look. I didn't look.
• 1:49:12
  They did say. They did say that.
• 1:49:14
  They did say War of the Lions is the most popular edition of
• 1:49:17
  Final Fantasy Tactics. Yeah, but.
• 1:49:19
  But let's just put it this way. Like, it didn't it?
• 1:49:23
  It didn't sell enough to be like, hey, like there's some
• 1:49:25
  interest in making an actual sequel to Final Fantasy Tactics,
• 1:49:28
  you know, the original game itself.
• 1:49:29
  And not just because you know that you had Tactics Advanced,
• 1:49:32
  which in my opinion, they aren't really related to Final Fantasy
• 1:49:35
  Tactics at all. In my opinion.
• 1:49:36
  You know, that's, that's, that's, that's an argument that
• 1:49:40
  we had on Discord servers, though.
• 1:49:42
  I'm, I'm not going to do that tonight here on on the show.
• 1:49:46
  And I'm, and I'm playing Tekken. And guess what?
• 1:49:48
  I'm actually playing with a new character right now.
• 1:49:50
  Well, a new character is like an old character of mine.
• 1:49:52
  Like Anna Williams is back in the game and I'm playing with
• 1:49:55
  her and I'm going through the growing pains and learning how
• 1:49:57
  to play her all over again because she is so different.
• 1:50:00
  But she is. So fucking.
• 1:50:01
  Cool. She is so insane and I love her
• 1:50:05
  character model. Yeah.
• 1:50:07
  Oh my God, yeah. When I seen that trailer, I was
• 1:50:10
  just like, oh, oh, the ticket team was not.
• 1:50:14
  They did not come. Oh.
• 1:50:16
  Yeah, yeah, they were they were they?
• 1:50:18
  They came out kicking ass and taking names on this one.
• 1:50:22
  Yeah, yeah. No disrespect to Retro Fighter,
• 1:50:26
  that new trailer that they got out showing the gameplay is
• 1:50:29
  going to probably give Taken 8 of Runks.
• 1:50:31
  That game looks that new. Retro Fighter looks insanely
• 1:50:35
  crazy. I was watching some of it.
• 1:50:37
  I'm like, oh this was so fluid. Yeah, 3D fighters, 3D fighter,
• 1:50:41
  arena, kind of based games. I feel like it's making a
• 1:50:44
  comeback and I think taking a retro fighter is going to be
• 1:50:48
  once again leading the charge. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:50:52
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• 1:50:54
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