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Vinnie Goodwill on Kevin Durant-Rockets Concerns, Wemby-Thunder rivalry, Knicks NBA Finals or Bust? | 02.20 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is Vinny Goodwill Friday. Vinny Goodwill, check
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  Speaker 1: him out on ESPN. Boy, our first take this week,
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  Speaker 1: holding it down. Saw you on there last week.
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  Speaker 2: Doing a little bit, man. Getting a little extra reps.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's all-star break, so people
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  Speaker 2: going to Cancun. You know, they do the baseball thing. They,
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  Speaker 2: you know, call your boy in.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you and Stephen A was out there trying
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  Speaker 1: to bully the homie David Dennis.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: It looked bad. I mean, I'm saying it looked bad.
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  Speaker 2: He was just saying some crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Well, what happened was, I don't know what exactly he
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  Speaker 3: said that pissed Stephen A off. Like, that doesn't happen
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  Speaker 3: very much. But Stephen A was like, yo, you ain't
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  Speaker 3: going to get very far in this segment not answering
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  Speaker 3: the question. He wasn't talking about the segment.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, hey, you'll be here when I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: If you're going to be here when I'm here, you're
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  Speaker 3: going to answer my question.
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  Speaker 2: You know what it was? It was max PTSD. That's
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  Speaker 2: all it was. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I will say this. We got a good
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  Speaker 3: all-star game.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: This go around.
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  Speaker 1: We got a good all-star game largely because you got
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  Speaker 1: to do it out there. We'll be pitching people shit,
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  Speaker 1: and that will make you be on your P's and Q's.
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  Speaker 1: Like the best weak side shot blocker that basketball has
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  Speaker 1: ever seen. UK, you don't have a big brother. I
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  Speaker 1: just have a big brother. My big brother is 13
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  Speaker 1: years older than me. No shot was ever safe. It
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  Speaker 1: didn't matter how far away he was, right? You have
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  Speaker 1: to be so dedicated. Like, that's the underrated part of
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  Speaker 1: the NBA, how quick you got to get them shots
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  Speaker 1: up because they're just– even the guys you think can't
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  Speaker 1: play defense, no, they can't. They can't. Like, if they
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  Speaker 1: was playing against you, you would think that they was
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  Speaker 1: Jason Voorhees too, right?
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  Speaker 3: You would think they all were.
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  Speaker 1: But now the guy that's Jason Voorhees to Jason Voorhees.
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  Speaker 3: Is out here. Oh, the all-star guy going to have
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  Speaker 3: to pick up because he going to pitch his shit
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  Speaker 3: to the front row.
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  Speaker 2: I mean– I remember I told you a long time ago,
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  Speaker 2: all it takes is one maniac. And sometimes that maniac
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  Speaker 2: was Mike. Sometimes that maniac was Kobe. Now the maniac
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  Speaker 2: is Big Slim. And Big Slim, I firmly believe Ant
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  Speaker 2: Edwards had no designs on playing hard in that All-Star game.
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  Speaker 2: He came out there with the hoop earring. When you
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  Speaker 2: coming out with a hoop earring, you ain't got no
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  Speaker 2: designs on playing hard. That hoop earring could get ripped
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  Speaker 2: out like Lawrence Fishburne in that one movie. You know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like you never know, right? Right. Because
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  Speaker 2: Big Vic is out here pitching shit. You got to be.
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  Speaker 2: One thing NBA players don't want to be is embarrassed
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  Speaker 2: by their peers. So if one guy is doing it,
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  Speaker 2: then you know what? We all got to fight on
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  Speaker 2: this lie. And this lie is that we got to
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  Speaker 2: be competitive. And that's all it took. And I didn't
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  Speaker 2: care if the last game, Bo, was a blowout. The
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  Speaker 2: old dudes that played three straight games, they was going
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  Speaker 2: to be tired. We all got our money's worth. Sunday afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: And I think... I don't think we were asking too much.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the players delivered. Like, they exceeded the expectations.
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  Speaker 1: Well, just act like this thing... Like, act like you
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  Speaker 1: want to be there. Like, I don't think it needs
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  Speaker 1: to be Game 7 of the NBA Finals. I think
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  Speaker 1: that people would settle for it looking like a charity
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  Speaker 1: game from the 1980s, right? Like, watching Isaiah Thomas lay
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  Speaker 1: on his back and do dribbling tricks.
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  Speaker 3: I think people would be okay with that. You know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like, just look like it's something, right? It doesn't matter
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  Speaker 1: really what the something is, but just look like it's something. Because, look,
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  Speaker 1: this is what we got to come to understand about
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  Speaker 1: the All-Star Game. As the calendar for the NFL has changed,
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  Speaker 1: like you go back and you look at it, they
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  Speaker 1: used to play the Super Bowl on like January 15.
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  Speaker 1: It is gradually over the years, move back a full
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  Speaker 1: month as to where next year is going to be
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  Speaker 1: the day before President's Day. where the NBA got moved
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  Speaker 1: off its corner and is going to have to play
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  Speaker 1: the All-Star game on a different weekend. The Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: is housing Valentine's Day, baby. This is what it's going
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  Speaker 1: to do. But what happens for the NBA and why
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  Speaker 1: that week turns so negative is this country addicted to football, man.
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  Speaker 1: And so they go from being all juiced up and
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  Speaker 1: all wired up about football. And then they're like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: football's over. Well, what's going on in basketball? Well, the
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  Speaker 1: All-Star game is this week.
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  Speaker 3: Are you serious?
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  Speaker 1: And then you get to the All-Star game, the dunk contest, right?
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  Speaker 1: They put it out as misery many times. They're going
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  Speaker 1: to put it out as misery before they bring it back.
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  Speaker 1: But that ain't what we remember it being. Then you
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  Speaker 1: get to the game, and the cats ain't really out
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  Speaker 1: here playing. And you'll be like, yeah, well, the Pro
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  Speaker 1: Bowl is terrible, too.
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  Speaker 3: And you're right.
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  Speaker 1: And when the Pro Bowl was terrible, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: we said the Pro Bowl was terrible, and that's why
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  Speaker 1: they moved to flag football. The difference is the Pro
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  Speaker 1: Bowl had an excuse for being terrible because nobody should
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  Speaker 1: be playing football just for the hella.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? But for the NBA, the
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  Speaker 3: country is right here. They scratching. They itching. They missing
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  Speaker 3: that football, right? I gots to have it, but it's
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  Speaker 3: gone now.
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  Speaker 1: And then when you come back, it's a lesser version
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  Speaker 1: of an all-star game than it should be.
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  Speaker 3: That's why they can't afford to let it slack.
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  Speaker 1: Like, if people had a couple weeks to ease into it, like,
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  Speaker 1: let's say it came out of football season and went
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  Speaker 1: into the NBA Cup. I think that would work. I
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  Speaker 1: think that would go. Now, of course you can't, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like the cup serves a different purpose, but.
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  Speaker 3: You coming off the football and then y'all out here
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  Speaker 3: trotting out some bullshit. Nah, man. And people look for
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  Speaker 3: a reason to kill the NBA anyway. Nah, it ain't
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  Speaker 3: gonna work.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. And that was one of the
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  Speaker 2: points that David was trying to make, but he was
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  Speaker 2: trying to make it a much grander point than it was, was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, well, people don't want to, people want any
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  Speaker 2: excuse to talk about the NBA being these overpaid millionaires, dah, dah, dah, dah. True.
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  Speaker 2: But sometimes we just talking about ball and we don't.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we had a broken clock situation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It just happened to meet. It
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  Speaker 2: just happened to meet right at the right time. Pun intended.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a good point. I also think, Bo,
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  Speaker 2: there are markers that come into the NBA season now.
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  Speaker 2: It's like opening night, opening week. Like you get a
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  Speaker 2: couple of good matchups that get you a little, you know,
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  Speaker 2: get you a little juice. Then you go back. And
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  Speaker 2: then the NBA Cup happens in Vegas like a month
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  Speaker 2: and a half later. And then it's Christmas Day. And
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  Speaker 2: then we all into the football. Because right from Christmas
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  Speaker 2: Day to Valentine's Day or whatever it is, you all
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  Speaker 2: in high stakes football. You into the end of the
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  Speaker 2: regular season. You into the wild card. You into the,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you into the Super Bowl. You into everything else.
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  Speaker 2: People dip in and out. And once it's time for all-stars, like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: the trade deadline done passed. Let me dip back in there.
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  Speaker 2: All right, now the NBA, you got my attention. What
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  Speaker 2: you going to do with it? And what they've done
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  Speaker 2: with it has been nothing for the past X amount
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  Speaker 2: of years. And the one thing I do, because I
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  Speaker 2: think KD, despite all this other stuff, KD is really
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  Speaker 2: good at creating the straw man. And when he sat
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  Speaker 2: in front of us the other week and said, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've been watching these all-star games to see this type
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  Speaker 2: of game seven intensity y'all been talking about. We ain't
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  Speaker 2: never asked for no game seven intensity. We don't want
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  Speaker 2: to see no game seven intensity because we know y'all
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  Speaker 2: got teams to go back to. We know as soon
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  Speaker 2: as the game starts to get out of hand, it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be one, two, three Cancun. And we ain't
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  Speaker 2: even mad about that. Go to Cancun. Get your break.
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  Speaker 2: Because in four or five days, the grind is coming
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  Speaker 2: right back. And then you start seeing the ramp up
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  Speaker 2: for the NBA. And to be honest, Bo, the ramp up.
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  Speaker 2: all this conversation about the all-star game has obscured the
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  Speaker 2: fact that there's been some good basketball this season and
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  Speaker 2: there's going to be more good basketball in the final
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  Speaker 2: two months of the regular season before we get to
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  Speaker 2: the playoffs. I understand them saying, Hey man, enjoy what
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  Speaker 2: you got in front of you. My thing is don't
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  Speaker 2: take away from what's in front of you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And look, it's about to be a thing guys. Like,
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  Speaker 1: like the hoop is about to be for real. Like
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  Speaker 1: I saw something, um, online. It was a clip of, uh,
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  Speaker 1: Dan Levitar was talking to Chuck Klosterman about football. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what's happened to Dan since I left,
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  Speaker 1: but he's gone. He's gone analytic minded in a way
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't add up to me, but he was saying
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  Speaker 1: basically the thing about the point he was making about
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  Speaker 1: football was that he'd rather watch football in a dome
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  Speaker 1: because he wants to watch the game to find out
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  Speaker 1: who the better team is and that you get a
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  Speaker 1: better metric of who the better team is. If you
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  Speaker 1: are playing it under most optimal circumstances, And Klosterman, I think,
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  Speaker 1: correctly made the point that we don't watch games to
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  Speaker 1: find out who the better team is.
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  Speaker 3: We watch them to see who's going to win.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like part of the charm of it is that sometimes
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  Speaker 1: the team that isn't the best wins. Sometimes it is
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  Speaker 1: about or being the best is about your ability to
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  Speaker 1: overcome a certain set of circumstances or sometimes those circumstances
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  Speaker 1: are weather.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes those circumstances are bad matchups. Right. But a tournament
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  Speaker 3: is a gauntlet.
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  Speaker 1: It is not about it's not about evaluating the teams.
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  Speaker 3: It's about testing.
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  Speaker 1: The teams and who's going to come out on top
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  Speaker 1: in the end sometimes that's not going to be who's
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  Speaker 1: best this nba season feels like one of those where
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  Speaker 1: it's narrowed in the west just a little bit right
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  Speaker 1: like we see that the thunder are no longer just
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  Speaker 1: just i mean early in the year we thought they
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  Speaker 1: were going to win 75 games i mean it was
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  Speaker 1: a reasonable question that they were going to do that
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  Speaker 1: now they're only three games ahead of the Spurs, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the Spurs are going to catch them,
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  Speaker 1: but it would not be crazy. I think we generally
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  Speaker 1: believe that the Thunder is the best team in the NBA.
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  Speaker 1: There are metrics that indicate that they are by far
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  Speaker 1: the best team in the NBA. Some of this regression
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  Speaker 1: to the rest of the league has also been as
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  Speaker 1: a result of injuries.
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  Speaker 3: But you and I both know they don't want to
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  Speaker 3: see the Spurs.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: If it comes down to it.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: But we also know the Spurs might not want to
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  Speaker 1: see the Nuggets, right? This is a year where the
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  Speaker 1: matchups in the playoffs feel like they're going to matter
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  Speaker 1: a lot more than they have in previous years and
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  Speaker 1: there are legitimately i think five teams that somehow could
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  Speaker 1: win the championship it's.
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  Speaker 2: Fun you hit on so much there so i'll start
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  Speaker 2: off where you landed in any given year like let's
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  Speaker 2: just play a game real quick i'll name a year
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  Speaker 2: and you tell me that had a realistic chance of
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  Speaker 2: winning the championship that year, regardless of whether they won
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  Speaker 2: or not. But you know what I'm saying? Just rock
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  Speaker 2: with me before I take this exercise. 1993. Three.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: You're going to say Suns.
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  Speaker 3: The Suns, the Knicks, and the Bulls.
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  Speaker 2: Right. 1998. 1998. I leaned three, maybe four.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll give you, and one more, because this is
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  Speaker 2: a fun one for me. 2005.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, 2005. I go to, who did the Pistons play
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  Speaker 1: in the conference final day?
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  Speaker 2: Miami. That was the first year of Shaq.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. I go four.
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  Speaker 2: So in any given year, and we went three, four, five,
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  Speaker 2: and that wasn't, that was actually by accident, but it
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  Speaker 2: serves the point.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: In any given year, you may have just four. And
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  Speaker 2: it's not always the four teams that make the conference finals,
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  Speaker 2: because sometimes somebody can get knocked out earlier for whatever reason.
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  Speaker 2: Like 1994, Seattle looked like the best team in the league,
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  Speaker 2: except they ran into the worst matchup of all time
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  Speaker 2: with the Denver Nuggets. Take that away.
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  Speaker 3: Or you get caught in a tricky 2-3. Right.
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  Speaker 2: You get caught in one of those weird situations in
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  Speaker 2: the second round, and that could be Denver and San Antonio.
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  Speaker 2: in the second round this year. That could be Boston
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  Speaker 2: and New York in the second round this year. In
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  Speaker 2: any given year, there's only going to be four teams.
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  Speaker 2: This year, that feels like five. And that's if you
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  Speaker 2: include Detroit amongst the five. I have a hard time
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  Speaker 2: doing that. Only because, Bo, you can't name a team,
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  Speaker 2: only the 95 Orlando Magic, that goes from not winning
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  Speaker 2: the playoff series to to getting all the way to
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  Speaker 2: the NBA Finals without a significant personnel acquisition in the offseason, i.e.
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  Speaker 2: LeBron James going from Miami to Cleveland, Cleveland to Miami,
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  Speaker 2: or Kevin Garnett going from Minnesota to Boston. Like, their storylines,
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  Speaker 2: I say that to say, the storylines are so rich.
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  Speaker 2: The basketball is going to be really, really, really good
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  Speaker 2: in the last two months of the season. And even
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  Speaker 2: if you look at the Eastern Conference, quietly bowed, The
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  Speaker 2: Eastern Conference has the ability to be superior in a
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  Speaker 2: lot of ways that we don't think about. And to
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  Speaker 2: your point about attrition, or you didn't say the word attrition,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm just going to add everything up and say
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  Speaker 2: that you said attrition. What people take away from 82
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  Speaker 2: games is, and why I don't think that the league
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  Speaker 2: should go away from 82 games is, this is a
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  Speaker 2: test of attrition. How well can you withstand attrition? the potholes,
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  Speaker 2: the bumps, the bruises that go through this season and
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  Speaker 2: then get to April and then have enough stamina and
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  Speaker 2: experience and maybe a little bit of youth to get
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  Speaker 2: to June. It's not just about June. It's about everything
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  Speaker 2: that it takes to get there. And we make the
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  Speaker 2: mistake sometimes through conversation of only focusing on who's going
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  Speaker 2: to get to June as opposed to, man, this is
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  Speaker 2: really compelling on the way to June. You never forget
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  Speaker 2: about June. But it's the compelling basketball that happens on
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  Speaker 2: the way there, whether it's Minnesota and what Ant is
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  Speaker 2: doing quietly. Player development story, right? If Jokic is going
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  Speaker 2: to be MVP again, if we come to respect Oklahoma
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  Speaker 2: City a lot more because of the struggle that they're
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  Speaker 2: going to go through this season. Like it's so much
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  Speaker 2: richness there. And I'm not being like an NBA shill here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that we've only focused on a narrow
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  Speaker 2: way of talking about the NBA, whether it's the All-Star,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's load management, whether it's the nonsense, that sometimes
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  Speaker 2: we miss the basketball. And even though I hate the
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  Speaker 2: rules and everything else, the basketball has been good and
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  Speaker 2: it's going to get better.
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  Speaker 1: So let's start with the West and go back to
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  Speaker 1: the East, right? Forget about championship just for a second.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just think about teams that can make the Western
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  Speaker 1: Conference Finals. I think there are five of them. that
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  Speaker 1: can make the Western Conference Finals. Thunder, Spurs, Nuggets, Rockets,
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  Speaker 1: and the Timberwolves. Now, all of this kind of depends
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  Speaker 1: on the way that the seeding shakes out.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, you will notice the one team I said
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  Speaker 3: no on is the Lakers. I just don't. I think J.J.
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  Speaker 1: Redick has a low-key argument for coach of the year
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  Speaker 1: for this team having 33 wins, given everything that they are.
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  Speaker 2: And everything that they are. And a zero-point differential.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, right. They are a 50-50 team. in terms
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  Speaker 3: of the points, right?
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  Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards has shown us, and Minnesota has shown us,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to see them in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 1: Not necessarily they're going to go to the championship, but
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  Speaker 1: they're going to give you a run. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: easy to forget they've been to the conference finals twice
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  Speaker 1: in a row. And in such a way where in
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  Speaker 1: a different time, we would be saying, all right, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's now down for you guys to go. But this
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  Speaker 1: is an era of more NBA parity. So I guess
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: we view it just a little bit more fairly. But
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: we've seen enough to know that, Denver don't really want
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: to see them in the first round if it comes
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: to that. I think Denver would much rather see the
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Lakers in the first round. I think just about everybody
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: over there would like to see the Lakers in the
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: first round if they got to see somebody.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: No, I will quibble with you on one. I think
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Houston would probably rather see Minnesota than the Lakers. Only
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: because the Lakers are really good at winning close games.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: The Rockets are not. And despite there being what I
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: believe to be a significant gap between how good the
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Rockets are and how good the Lakers are, if the
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: equalizer is how you perform in closed games and the playoffs,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: that's where it gets sticky. And I was curious if
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: you were going to name the Rockets for that very reason.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: They don't have a point guard. They are 12 and
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: 15 in clutch games and clutches defined as within five
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: points in the last five minutes. But they can overwhelm
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: you defensively. Right. And that's the weird part about all this.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: And that's the weird part about this whole parody discussion
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: is that every team, even the Thunder, to some degree,
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: every team is flawed. Every team has a flaw that
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: can get you knocked out of a playoff series if
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: the wrong matchup comes and hits you. And Minnesota, to
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: your point, they don't really necessarily have a point guard either,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: even though they got Mike Conley back. He's older. You're
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: not going to depend on him to be that 40 minute,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: you know, a night guy. Can Anthony Edwards do it again?
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: What giant is he going to knock out? Think of
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: the giants he's knocked out already. He sent Kevin Durant home.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: He sent Nikola Jokic home. He sent a hobbled Stephen
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Curry home. I can't even really say that because Steph
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: only played one game and then one game that they lost.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: He sent LeBron home. He sent virtually everybody home that
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: they have put in front of him, including Luka Doncic
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: last year with the Lakers. Who's going to be the
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: next guy that he sends home? Because he ain't going
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: out in the first round. I think that kid... has
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: a different sort of approach to himself that we think
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: of him as being so playful and unserious that the
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: basketball is like, wait a minute, when it get time,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: nut cutting time, he's defending LeBron. or he's taking the
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Jamal Murray matchup, or he's doing stuff on both ends
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: of the floor while carrying Carl Towns, Rudy Gobert, and
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Julius Randle across the finish line. Hell yeah, I'd be
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: tired getting to the conference finals too. Give that man
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: a ring for getting up the second round.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Let me ask you this about the Rockets since you
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: brought them up. Get off my diggers and says that
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: they a sorry ass team.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I just felt like they didn't have a point guard.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just felt like they didn't have a point guard. Like,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: what do you think about them top to bottom?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I think to me, and this is old school basketball sensibilities, right?
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: If you don't have a point guard and you can't
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: protect the rim, how good are you? Right? Alperen Shingun,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: for being many yokage and everything else, he's not that.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: He's not that guy. He is a level of talent
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: that you can build around But when your coach is
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: calling you out, when Ime Udoka is calling you out
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: and saying, man, we've been having problems with Shingun on
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: defense for the whole year. I don't think they're a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: sorry-ass team. I think that was a bit heavy-handed by
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: whoever said that, right?
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, get off my diggers and said that the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Hornets basically would be better if they had Kevin Durant than,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: excuse me, Get Off My Dickerson said the Hornets would
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: be better if Get Off My Dickerson played for the
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Hornets than the Rockets are if Get Off My Dickerson
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: played for the Rockets.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I completely agree with that because
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I don't know if LaMelo Ball is a serious point
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: guard at this stage. And considering some of the stuff
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: that I've seen, like... Miles Bridges and some of these
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: other guys engaging, I don't know how they were going
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: to really fare when it comes down to playoff situations.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I do believe in Emei as a playoff coach. I
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: believe in a man, Thompson, because I think when all
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: this is over, he's going to be the last man
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: standing unless they go get Giannis or something this offseason. Like,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I think they have stuff. They are just not complete.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: And I think Get Off My Dickerson knows what complete
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: teams look like because maybe Get Off My Dickerson has
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: played on a couple of complete teams.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Perhaps.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: And the crazy part is Get Off My Dickerson has
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: played on complete teams that did not even make the
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: NBA Finals.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: That is a fair theory to have about Get Off
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: My Dickerson, that that is what informs his uproarious commentary.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Is that right there? The rest of the thing in
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: the West to me is Denver, I think we feel
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: is a complete team.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: That we just haven't seen play together that much.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: But with all the time Jokic missed and they still
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: are where they are, I don't, you know, somebody finally
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: played to all-star level by the time the all-star game
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: had come around. The prospect, like the Spurs have to
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: really want the Rockets to catch Denver. Because I don't
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: think the Rockets really want no parts of the Spurs.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: but I also don't think the Spurs want to play
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: the Nuggets.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think the Spurs want to play the Nuggets.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I think the weird thing is whoever plays probably wants
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: the Lakers to sit in that 4-5, probably wants the
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Lakers to get out of the first round so you
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: don't have to see whatever it is. You're like, oh yeah,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: we can handle the Lakers. They don't got defense, they
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: don't got size, LeBron is old, whatever it is. You're
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: rooting for an upset so you don't come away from
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: the second round with scars. And I think If you're
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: the Denver Nuggets, you are praying that Aaron Gordon is
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: healthy and that Jokic is healthy and that Jamal Murray,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: who's been remarkably durable this year, does not wear down.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Like the one complaint that you might have had about
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Jamal Murray two years ago when they got knocked out
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: by Denver was that, man, he looked tired by the
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: end of that series. And because he stepped up and
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: played at an all-star level in the games that Jokic
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: has missed, in addition to, you know, Peyton Watson and
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: some of these guys that you won't know their names,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: until you see them in the playoffs. Like, that's the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: beautiful thing about the NBA sometimes is, oh, yeah, we
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: know about Jokic and Jamal Murray and, you know, da-da-da.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: You're like, wait a minute. Michael Porter Jr. don't play
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: for them no more? Cam Johnson? I've not seen him before. Like,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: it's one of those things where you're going to get
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: introduced to new guys. And I think, like you said, Bo,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: to me, they are the most complete team in basketball,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: top to bottom, because you have the shooting, you have
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: the secondary playmaking. You have some rim protection that's not
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Nikola Jokic. And they have the heartbreak of losing last
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: year to a team in Oklahoma City that they very
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: well could have and should have beaten had they had health.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: And now you're asking them to have health if Aaron
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Gordon comes back from this recent injury and is able
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: to be fresh and then can make it through the playoffs.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: The West is going to be super fascinating at the top.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: The East is going to be fascinating top to bottom.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: So I don't think Jokic is going to be able
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: to play enough games to get into the award running.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: And I'd just like to note for everybody that has
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: this huge problem now with the 65-game limit that people
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: absolutely rooted for when they brought it around because they
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: thought it would get guys to play more games. The
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: truth is the MVP always plays more than 65 games.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: On that level, that rule typically enforces itself.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Watton was the only one.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Jokic was the only one, right? But let me tell
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you something, man. for whatever the advanced numbers are worth,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Jokic is low-key having quite possibly like the greatest NBA
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: season that anybody.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: Has ever seen. It is unreal how good he is.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Like in all the things that you pointed to about
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: what makes the Nuggets good, it's just gone to the
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: point that, you know, you have to say out loud,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: they have the best player in the world.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, we did one of these, you know, Tim
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Bontemps does one of these straw poll MVP things at every,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: you know, quarter mark of the season. And I was
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: looking and I was like, who else? It's like Stevie
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Wonder in the 70s. Who's going to win the Grammy
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: this year? Does Stevie Wonder put an album out? Yes.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Then he gets, you know, album of the year. That's
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: where we are with Jokic. And add to the fact, Bo,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: since he's come back, he hasn't even looked like himself,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: like completely, like the touch hasn't come all the way back,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: which you can expect when you miss that much, you know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: basketball over a concentrated period of time. And yet the
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: numbers are still insane today. The fact that he's like, yeah,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I can lead the league in assists and rebounding. Like,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: wait a minute. This is like white wilt. Except he's
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: not doing this as a challenge. He's doing this as
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: a function of how he plays. And the question once
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: again becomes, will he be able to hold up to
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: the rigors? He looked worn down in that game seven
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: against OKC last year where they put Alex Caruso on him.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying like he should feel as insulted by
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: them putting Alex Cruz on him as he should feel
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: insulted by them putting Chet Holmgren on him.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody seems to be insulted by the idea of
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: putting Chet Holmgren on him.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Like that's the thing with the Spurs. The idea of
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: a Victor Jokic matchup.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. No, the idea of a Victor Chet
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: playoff series.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Well, hold on, hold on.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: We got time.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: We got time. Okay, okay, okay.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: The Victor Jokic situation is how that goes in the
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: postseason just because Jokic is so much bigger.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Heavy wise than he is. That's why I think the
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Spurs are not really the matchup that they want. I mean,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the Nuggets aren't the matchup that the Spurs want. The
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Spurs and the Thunder, the question we all had last
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: year about the Thunder, if they was just a little
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: bit too thin, right? A little light in the ass
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: to get it done. If that is the description you have,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Victor is like, yeah, let's play them. I think that
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: could be a lot of fun, guys.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: What do you think? Yeah, I think we should do that.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I think I saw some numbers that say Jokic is
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: averaging like 36 and 12 against Vic. Everybody get a kryptonite, dawg.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Vic can be Jason Voorhees and it don't matter. That's
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Freddy Krueger over there. You know what I mean? Like,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: it does not matter. Like, I tend to believe that
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: from a matchup standpoint, Vic is like the only... like
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: super talk, I'm going to say super talk, I got
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Luke Cornett over there. But what Denver, what San Antonio
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: does is we got guard penetration and we're going to
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: break you down. And then whether it's pitch out to
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the Harrison Barnes of the world or we get it
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: up top to Vic, like that may not bother Denver
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: as much, right? It bothers Oklahoma City. Oklahoma City is
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: not used to getting broken down at the point of
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: attack all the time. Denver is, I mean, Oklahoma City
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: is not used to you being able to throw multiple
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: defenders at Shea Gildas Alexander and have enough to go
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: at Jalen Williams at the same time and having this
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: big pterodactyl at the rim, which means, hey, y'all, everybody
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: stay down. Don't jump. Don't fall for the pump fake.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Send them to me. And that's the one place you
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: don't want to go. So, yeah, when we talk about
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: these matchups, man, it all depends on who gets to
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: that 2-3. Because you may want to get the top
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: seat this year, but I don't think Oklahoma City is
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: relinquishing that.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then, I mean, the idea that the Thunder
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: could look like the future and then nothing really changed
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: except Victor got a year older. That was the only
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: thing that really changed. Victor got a year older. Then
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, wait, there's somebody else here. Like I
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: saw the numbers. ESPN says there's a 70% chance the
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Thunder win the West, a 9% chance for Oklahoma City.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: For the Spurs, I think it was a 9% chance
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: for the Nuggets. I'm like, that 9 for the Spurs
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: feels low.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Low, low, low. Once again, I go to the Detroit thing.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: San Antonio didn't even make the playoffs yet. That feels
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: like such a massive jump. I don't think we give
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: enough to how much stamina is required to get through
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: a playoff series, let alone three, when you've never done
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: it before. When you've never done it before and all
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: of a sudden you're expected to go through the gauntlet
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: of they can beat Oklahoma City, right? Let's say they do.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Tell me how much they're going to have left after
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: that series.
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Tell me what if that's going to be their NBA finals.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Like we beat them. We beat those dudes. We are
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: built to beat those dudes. We don't like those dudes.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: We can't stand them dudes. Fuck them as a staff,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: record label, and as a crew, right? That's how they feel.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Then you got to gear up for Houston or Denver
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: or Minnesota, who's going to be sitting there waiting with
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: their own scars, but with their own experience. Like, experience
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: can never be overrated in these playoffs, especially this year's
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: NBA playoffs. You got to have some pain, and I
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: don't think San Antonio has had any level of pain yet, man.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I do think....
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: The Thunder, those nice guys need to find it somewhere
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: because they're trick bag. They like Drake against the Spurs
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in that Drake don't hate them dudes as much. He
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: just like Drake did not hate Kendrick the way them
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: dudes hate back.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: So he's J Cole then?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Well, no, well, J Cole just opted out. This is
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: not an option here. Like, I don't think that Drake
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: didn't have a problem with Kendrick. It just wasn't the same, right?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Victor and the rest of those guys hate the Thunder
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: so much. And I just don't know, if you're not
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: that type, how you dial it up?
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I hate the way that you walk, the way that
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: you talk. They hate everything Oklahoma City stands for. I
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: don't know where it comes from. Every single thing.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Yes, you do. It's very clear where it comes from.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Victor hates Chet.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: And what seems clear is that Victor is contagious in
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: that way.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Right. Victor said, I hate Chet. And that means they
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: all hate Chet.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: And that means they got to hate everybody else because
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: the mother cats is riding with Chet.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: That's how it happened. He's that guy. I don't feel
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: like we've had that guy in a while who's just like,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: all right, we hate them now.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: All right, dog.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: We hate him.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Who going to challenge him and say we not? Who
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: going to challenge Bix in the locker room and say.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: No, it's not even about challenging.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: It's about, I now feel exactly the same way that
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: you do.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying who's going to say that we don't.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Who's going to.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Say, forget about who says it. It's not about don't.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Now we all do. They're not pretending to hate them now.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Now they all do. He said, that's what it's about
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: to be.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, somehow it just became ingrained in them. Yeah, yeah.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: It's pre-decor, baby. Yeah, this is it. This is it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And this is the crazy thing that we've been kind
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: of waiting on with Oklahoma City. Like to some degree,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Golden State was hated in like a different kind of
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: way because how dare y'all be so good and then
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: go get Kevin Durant, right? All right, you shifted competitive
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: balance in the league and then that became a thing.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma City ain't really hateable. Like they're hateable from the
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: standpoint of Man, you don't like the ethics. You don't
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: like how Shady be moving around and everything else and
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: how they do things. But you can't hate them from
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: like a basketball standpoint. Not really. These dudes hate them. Well,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: you can hate Lou Dort. You can hate Lou Dort.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: You can hate the foul merchant deal exchange that they
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: run over there.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, they got a heavy Dort proportion. over there.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: There's room for it. And hey, man, Spurs.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Spurs got a lot of dreadlocks that, I know they
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: real dreadlocks.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: There ain't no extensions going on over there. It's a
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: lot of cats over there you don't want no problems with.
• 32:28
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're back with Vinny Goodwill of ESPN. And
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: my question is very simple because I can't believe we're
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: bringing this up. The Celtics really about to bring Jason
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: Tatum back.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I feel like I'm crazy. I feel like I'm the
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: only person that is crazy here. And I'm thinking, why
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: is he coming back? Unless he thinks this is part
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: of the Jason Tatum story that's going to make him
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: face of the league or something like that. Like he
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: thinks this is the next. quotable thing that he's going
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: to do in his Truman Show career? I don't get it.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: You are in year one of an extension that is,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I think, $ 300 plus million, which means in this luxury
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: tax apron world, you got two $ 300 million players locked
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: up for the next X amount of years if you
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: choose to keep them. The template for Achilles injuries returns
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: is It's Kevin Durant at 588 days. That was almost
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: the equivalent of what? A season and a half because
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: he missed the 1920 season and early part of 2021
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: when we had COVID. And he came back to looking
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: like Kevin Durant. I know the difference is Jason Tatum
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: is younger than KD was by a few years and
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: had fewer playoff miles on his body, believe it or not.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: And they apparently got him on the operating table faster
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: than is ordinarily the case.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got him the next day. I think the
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: same thing happened with Dominique Wilkins. Dominique Wilkins When he
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: tore his Achilles, he got on the table the very
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: next day.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: By the way, was the gold standard.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: And he came back the next year and was averaging
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: 30 until, you know, they traded him.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: But I don't see the benefit of Jason Tatum.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: For Danny fucking Manning, who didn't even come back the
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: next season.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Sorry. Sorry.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: You were talking about.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Look, yo, Dominique Wilkins day is my Barry
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Sanders day. I'm sure you're, look, look.
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they didn't tell Barry to leave.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, they did. Yes, they did. When you bring in
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Boss Ross and you bring in Scott Mitchell, replace him
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: for Charlie Batch in the second round of next year. Yeah,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: you tell him Barry to go. You quiet quit on
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: your running back. You quiet quit on him. You told
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: him to go.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, they didn't trade Barry Sanders for Lorenzo White.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: But anyway, let's just keep going.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: You done got me pissed off today.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Well, you did it to me first.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Let us go. My point is, I don't see the
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: advantage of bringing in Jason Tatum and then telling him, hey, Tatum,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: you're only going to play 18 to 22 minutes this season.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: You think Jason Tatum, who likes being the number one option,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: wants to go on Jalen Brown's team and play 18
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: to 22 minutes and be a really good rebounder, a
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: really good spot-up shooter, a really good floor spacer? I
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: think he could be good at that if he's 80%,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: but I think he's working really hard to come back
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: and be Jason Tatum again. And I just don't know
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: if the reward is worth the cost.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Number one, shout out to Jalen Brown. Remember when we
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: said he couldn't dribble? He does not look like that
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: guy anymore. Like, Missoula is probably coach of the year
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: just because if Jason Tatum is what we say Jason Tatum.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Is, then it is absurd that they are as good
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: as they are.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: And Jalen Brown has been playing MVP caliber basketball where
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I guess he'll play enough games or he'll wind up
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: getting it. But he has been excellent this year. It
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem worth the risk to me to play Tatum.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know what their doctors see. I don't know
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: what's going on. You know, I don't know any of
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: those things, but it doesn't at all seem worth it
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: to even try to do this. But it feels like
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: they're going to. And if they do, you're right. It
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: can get weird and it can get awkward because the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: idea of we're just going to turn Jason Tatum into
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: a seventh man who does seventh.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Man things, that doesn't seem to make any sense.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: The other thing is these guys are human beings and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: we have, and you brought it up, we've treated this
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: like Jason Tatum at the very least was 1A and
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Brown was 1B, right?
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Or you could put it almost like Jason Tatum, 1.75, Brown, 1.25. Right, right, right.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: You know, where one and two add up to three.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe that was the case. Jalen Brown is like, I
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: am a number one. And we see teams that have
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: multiple number one options, rarely with as much skill overlap
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: as these two guys have.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: You know, it had been one way for a long time.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Now it looks like another way.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: How they figure that out will be really interesting if
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: they make this decision that they're going to bring him
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: back this year, which I would not.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: You think it's one way. It's the other way. That's
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: that's the. And here's the thing. Is Joe Missoula going
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: to have that conversation with Jason Tatum and tell him, hey, Jay,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I know you've been working your ass off since you've
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: had this injury. And you have the revenge in your
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: mind of wanting to play the Knicks again and everything. Remember,
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: the Celtics looked like a juggernaut ready to repeat until
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: they ran into the Knicks and blew those first two
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: games and then blew game four or whatever it was,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: that series. So he's got that in his mind. And
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: you can't tell a player to not continue to rehab
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: with the goal of getting... back you can't keep putting
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: that battery in his back and saying you know what
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: jay when you get back we're gonna be at full
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: strength just to get him to continue to do that
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: and then pull the rug out from under him and
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: say you know what jason you can come back if
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: you want to but this ain't gonna be what it
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: was Like the mental part of that stuff. In addition
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: to the mental part of how that team has become
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: accustomed to playing without him, right? It's similar template. They're
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: going to shoot a lot of threes. They lean into
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: all of that. And then they're giving the ball to
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brown and saying, Jalen Brown, take us home. Now
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: that shifts a little bit and you have to recalibrate yourself.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: And I don't think in this Eastern Conference, Bo, you
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: have the time. to be able to mess around in
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: the first round of a playoff series, even if they
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: get the second seed, right? If they get the second seed,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: what happens if they're playing Philadelphia in the first round
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: or the third seed and they're playing Philly in the
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: first round and Embiid is reasonably healthy and Paul George
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: is back and you got Maxie and Edgecombe? You don't
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: have the space to give somebody else the grace to
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: work themselves into it because you're going to be in
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: a dogfight.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Look, it's some wild stakes in the East when you
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: think about this, right? If I were the Sixers, I
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: would assume that this is the last healthy and bead
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: year that you're going to have.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: If this even is a healthy and bead year, right?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Let's start there. The Pistons, you raise an interesting point.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: They're on top, but they've never won a playoff series.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Like they actually have like the widest berth. I think
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: that we would say the longest runaway, almost easier to
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: give themselves a certain measure of grace.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: If they don't get it done.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: But OK, then you got the Celtics who apparently think
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: this is important enough to bring Jason Tatum back. OK,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: the Cavs who made this James Harden trade that all
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: I know is that the last game of the year,
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: James Harden is going to be terrible.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: But in the meantime, they're going to be pretty good.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: And so like but you know what their stakes are
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: by the fact that they made the decision to do that.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: And then there's the Knicks who got to.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: The conference finals last year, fired their coach, hired a
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: good one. But I think I feel like the things
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: that are shaky about the Knicks this year would have
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: been shaky no matter who the coach was.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: It's the honeymoon year for towns had passed.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: And now people are looking around and realizing what we
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: tried to tell them. that the things about him that
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: are not to like are things that they particularly were
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: really not going to like. And now you're starting to
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: hear the people talk about this. They talk about the
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: offensive fouls more. They talk about his absent-mindedness on defense.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: All those things that, by the way, were also happening
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: last year.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: They just hadn't gotten sick of that shit yet. And
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: now it's here.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Like Mike Brown, who I think is a much better
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: coach than he ever gets credit for, he's coaching for
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: his job, right?
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Hmm. That's a great question.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, they fired. I mean, you and I talk
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: about this all the time.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: They fired Thibodeau largely because they wanted to, but also
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: because they thought they should have gone to the finals.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I still think they would have fired Thibodeau even if
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: they went to the finals. It would have been a
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: harder sell.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: But that's still a part. I agree. Like I said,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: because they wanted to. But I hear more.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: There's more chatter and more complaining about Mike Brown this
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: year than we had ever heard about Thibodeau in all
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: those years.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: And the crazy thing is, you know what it is?
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Because now we've mythologized Thibodeau to the point where even
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Stephen A said it the other day when I was
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: on first take and I just didn't have the opportunity
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: to correct him when he said, well, you know, defensively,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the Knicks were better than Thibodeau. No, they weren't. Like,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: this has been profile-wise a very similar team. They're better offensively.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: They're a better three-point shooting team, which could wind up
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: being a great equalizer when all this is said and done.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: But They haven't been, like Tibbs hasn't coached like a
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: top 10 defense in a long time. And so much
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: of that you could attribute to personnel. But to your
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: point about Carl Townsend.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but hold on, right fast on that.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: He is not as consistent a basketball personality as people
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: want to say. Even when you go back to the Bulls,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: there were some years the offense was great and the
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: defense was bad. Some years the defense was great and
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the offense was bad. He's not, it's not as simple
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: as just you get Tibbs, you're going to get defense
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: and no offense.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: No, the only thing you're going to get is Tibbs
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: going to play his dudes. That's it. Tibbs going to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: play his six. And the best offensive player is going
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: to get a lot of shots and a lot of usage.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: And you're going to build your offense around the skills
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: of that number one guy, as opposed to here is
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: my very rigid offensive philosophy. That's the one thing I
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: will always give Tibbs. Offensively, he is not going to
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: be out here like, hey man, we got to run,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: jump and shoot threes. He's like, okay, best offensive player.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: What do you do best? All right, cool. We're going
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: to do that. Like that's what I'll give him. With Towns,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: it's important to remember, y'all, he found out about the
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Giannis stuff just like we did. And they can do math.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: They know for Giannis to come here, I gots to go.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Or somebody gots to go who make a lot of money.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Add to the fact that Carl did not get his
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: extension before the start of the season. Why do you
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: think that is? Or why do you think Carl thinks
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: that is? Oh, so they don't want to have my
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: long-term money on the books just in case they go
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: and try to get Giannis this offseason. That's a human
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: emotion that I don't think that we necessarily calculate. And
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: add to the fact you're playing in New York City
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: where you are never going to get the grace that
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Jalen Brown gets. Jalen Brown can be a traffic cone
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: on defense. Jalen Brown can be, Jalen Brunson, excuse me,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: can be terrible on defense. And we will never say
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: the same things about him that we say about Carl Towns.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: The New York Knicks are the one team this season.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I want people to hear this when I say this.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: The New York Knicks are the one team in the
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: NBA that has to get to the NBA Finals this year.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Not even Oklahoma City has to get to the NBA Finals.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma City can get knocked out in the second round,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: and we can come up with reasons why that happened.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: The New York Knicks get knocked out in the second round.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: There will be pitchforks on 33rd and 8th. right? Pitchforks,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: I tell you, you lose to James Harden and Cleveland,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: you lose to those dudes, you got a problem. If
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: you get pumped about Detroit, you got a bigger problem.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: You lose to Joel Embiid and the mismatched 76ers, problem.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: You lose to the Celtics with the Island of Misfit Toys,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, you've got problems. They have
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: to get, they are built to get to the NBA Finals,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: but Bo, when's the last time You saw a team
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: depending on one rim protector who is injury prone, not
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: really good point of attack defense, and secondary scoring that
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: can be shaky because you got a bunch of guys
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: doing things that they shouldn't be doing because Jalen Brunson
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: controls so much of the offense. They are built to
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: do it, but they have so many more questions, more
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: questions than any other team. I think Detroit, the questions
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: are simple. Do you have experience and you don't have
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: a secondary scorer next to Cade Cunningham who can get
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: his own shot? If Detroit doesn't get there, you can
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: reasonably deduct. Okay, they'll be fine because they're going to
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: be here year after year. They've got the youth. They've
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: got the cap space. They can make some flexibility moves.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: They can get a second guy to see where they
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: go from there. The Knicks don't have those questions that
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: they can improve other than, man, we better hope Giannis
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: decides to come here and not somewhere else.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, You mentioned it. Their two best players
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: can't guard. And they can't guard at the two most
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: important places to be able to guard.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Up top, at the rim.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: And then you put Mikael Bridges up there. You put
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Mikael Bridges at the point of attack, and that ain't
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: that much better.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they are.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: And that's wild to say, though, because that's an all-defense
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: guy not that long ago.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: I think sometimes reputations do a lot. Or I will
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: say this. When you go from being an all-defense guy
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: to being a scorer, it's really tough going back to
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: being an all-defense guy. It's really, really tough to start
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: knuckling down and doing those little things when you see
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: what gets you paid. No, you're right.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I also will say this about the Knicks.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sure they can tell, but much like the Oklahoma
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: City Thunder, Hope you really understand how much those other
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: guys hate you. And in this case, those other guys
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: are the Detroit Pistons.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: They hate them.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: The best thing that happened to the Detroit Pistons was
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: losing three games on their home floor last year. One
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: that they gave away, one that they felt was snatched
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: from them, and another one that they kind of just blew, right?
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: So now they're looking at the Knicks like, why everybody
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: so high on y'all? Y'all ain't live? And what's the
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: argument against that? When the last time we saw the
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Knicks in the Pistons play, they didn't have Jalen Duren,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: and they still whooped on him by 37. And Asar Thompson,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: who is apparently the worst twin, but might be the
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: best defensive player in the league, locked up Jalen Brunson
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: to the tune of 4 for 20. He made Jalen
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Brunson go a full Starks on a Monday afternoon. Like,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: this is... I'm salivating for the potential... of a Detroit
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Knicks playoff series while also recognizing my personal life will
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: be made hell because everybody will think, man, you just
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: rooting for Detroit because you from there. Never mind that
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: when I was living in Detroit, people would say, man,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: you hate the Pistons. Man, why you bagging on them
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: so much? I hate them. everybody.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: You do, except Isaiah. You don't hate Isaiah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: No, I don't. That's my guy.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Tell you, man.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Y'all different about that. My man, Lester Spence. I think
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Spence still working at Johns Hopkins. The first time I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: met Spence, I was talking something about the greatest point
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: guards of all time.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: I don't even think he looked at me. He wrote Detroit.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: What about Isaiah? Y'all demand to know about Isaiah.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: Because it's this school of people who think that he
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: belongs in this hodgepodge of John Stockton and Gary Payton
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: and Jason Kidd and, you know, not saying they ain't
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: great players, but all those dudes or Chris Paul as
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: opposed to, hey, man, his only peer is that 6'9 dude.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Y'all still funny.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Y'all still like, you know what he is? He's y'all's
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Barry Bonds. I hear that everybody else hates him. Oh, well,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: not us.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: But see, there's an acknowledgement, though, that Barry Bonds might
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: be the greatest hitter we've ever seen, right? Like, you
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: can make all the arguments against Bonds for whatever the
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: reasons are, but people will still say, you know, before
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: he ever did anything, he was 40-40 and he won
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: MVP three times. Like, there's still that acknowledgement. For people
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: who don't give Zeke his propers, it's not even the acknowledgement. Well,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: you know, he did beat Mike Bird and Magic. They
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: don't even say that. They say it like it's a postscript.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: They say it like it don't mean shit. So when
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: you say that winning matters and all you go to is, man, well,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Zeke Petty. Well, wait. Magic Petty? Michael King Petty? Yes,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: he is. Y'all love the Petty. But when Zeke is ruthless,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's a problem. Nah, man, we
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: ain't taking that hypocrisy. I will not take that hypocrisy.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: I think people should be quiet.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Detroit versus... Everybody. How did you get me there?
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: How did you get me going full that one dude
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: in that interview with Mike Wallace when he told him
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: to be quiet?
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, man. You sound like the new Bruce Bowen. Like
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: I always knew you was going to get back to that.
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: It never fails. It never fails. Check my man out
• 51:32
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• 51:35
  Speaker 2: All love, bro. Appreciate you, man.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: All right, man.
• 51:37
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