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JRE MMA Show _167 with Cory Sandhagen(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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  Speaker 1: by night, all day.
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  Speaker 2: Good to see you, brother. Good to see you, too.
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  Speaker 2: We were talking about golf and Jamie, who's a full-blown addict.
• 0:21
  Speaker 2: What's up? What's up?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like everyone is now.
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  Speaker 2: So you're saying Gagey's fully hooked?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, fully hooked. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: He, uh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Do you know what Fanatics Fest is?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: So Fanatics Fest, I was just at it on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: but it's kind of like Comic-Con, but for athletes. And
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: Gaethje got to do the Fanatics game, which is like
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  Speaker 1: a celebrity thing, where it's like 50 pro athletes do it,
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  Speaker 1: 50 normal people, and they compete in a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: sports or whatever. He said he won because he was
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: good at golf, so the fucking guy won a Ferrari
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  Speaker 1: because he got second place. Tom Brady got first. He
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  Speaker 1: got a million dollars. And then, like, a normal, like,
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  Speaker 1: non-professional athlete got third place. He got, like, 200K.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa. He got a Ferrari? Yeah, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Golf got him.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: Golf got him this fucking Ferrari.
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  Speaker 2: I think he took. Holy shit. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So that kind of just enforced his addiction more than.
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  Speaker 2: Damn, he's that good?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's pretty good. I mean, I don't know shit
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  Speaker 1: about golf, but from what I know.
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  Speaker 2: Daniel told me, DC told me that he started off
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  Speaker 2: and he was just kind of okay. But over the time,
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  Speaker 2: between the Holloway fight. and his fight with Fazeev, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't do anything but play golf for a year. He
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  Speaker 2: played like 260 days in a row, and he said
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  Speaker 2: his handicap just kept getting better and better and better
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  Speaker 2: and better. He said the next time he played, he
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  Speaker 2: was like, Holy shit, he's really good now.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds about right.
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  Speaker 2: It makes sense, though. He's a psycho. He is a psycho.
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  Speaker 2: Completely dedicated to something.
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  Speaker 1: And he's single.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to excel. If that guy gets his mind
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  Speaker 2: on something, he's going to excel.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a unique dude for sure. I've really liked,
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  Speaker 1: because obviously I started working with Whitman not too long ago.
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  Speaker 1: I've really enjoyed getting to know that crew. Like Trevor, Gaethje, Camaro.
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  Speaker 2: Trevor's a unique guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all of those guys are pretty unique in their
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  Speaker 1: own way.
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  Speaker 2: He makes the best fucking MMA gloves that have ever
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  Speaker 2: been made. And the UFC should have bought them out
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  Speaker 2: a long time ago. I think he wanted some crazy
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  Speaker 2: amount of money or something. I think it was like
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  Speaker 2: some nutty deal. Unfortunate. I know.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: They should have just licensed it. They should have just
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  Speaker 2: made some sort of a deal. Like, we'll sell the gloves.
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  Speaker 2: You make the money.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just get the athletes the best gloves bought. They're
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  Speaker 2: so much better. They're way better.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The foam in them is really good.
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  Speaker 2: The shape is better. The protection of your hands is better. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Trevor's one of those guys where I'm kind of similar
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: to like most things aren't stimulating enough. Like TV kind
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  Speaker 1: of playing on my phone isn't really super stimulating to me.
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  Speaker 1: So like he's always like doing something. So he's always
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  Speaker 1: like making shit. But he'd be when I would go
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  Speaker 1: into Onyx, he'd just be in the back like. With
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  Speaker 1: this smile, like working on the gloves like every single
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: morning that he's there. The style that they have is
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  Speaker 1: real cool. People keep asking me when they're going to
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  Speaker 1: come out with him and I think he's getting pretty close.
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  Speaker 2: I just really wish that him and the UFC could
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  Speaker 2: make a deal.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Because they spent so much time and money to develop
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  Speaker 2: those new gloves and then they threw them out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate that too. I like the new ones.
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  Speaker 2: Did you?
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  Speaker 1: I have really, like my hands aren't massive like some
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  Speaker 1: of these guys. Um, the old ones are better for like,
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  Speaker 1: if you have like a really thick hand, the old
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  Speaker 1: ones are way better, but I have a thin hand dude.
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  Speaker 1: And those things used to fit me like perfectly. Cause
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  Speaker 1: the old ones, when you, when I would make a fist,
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  Speaker 1: they would stick out like this much, but the new ones,
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  Speaker 1: they would be like perfect. So I can make a
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  Speaker 1: fist and not have this like really awkward, big space
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  Speaker 1: right there.
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  Speaker 2: But what is the difference? What's the issue with the
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  Speaker 2: new gloves? Like, what did they not like about them?
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  Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. I think some people were just
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  Speaker 1: complaining probably because they were just guys with thicker hands.
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  Speaker 1: Because that's what it would come down to. There was
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  Speaker 1: no other reason that it was... I mean, the leather
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  Speaker 1: was different and stuff, but, I mean, how important is that?
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  Speaker 2: It can't be that important. And I think the whole
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  Speaker 2: idea was it was easier to close your hand, so
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  Speaker 2: it was going to eliminate some of the eye pokes.
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  Speaker 1: They were a little bit curved, but honestly, I mean, maybe...
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even if you bring it down, like, 10 percentages.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's saving 10% of people's eyes.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Um, but I mean, honestly, I don't think it was
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  Speaker 1: like significant enough to be like, Oh, no one's going
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  Speaker 1: to poke me in the eyes when they're wearing these things.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think the Whitman gloves would cover that because
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  Speaker 2: they're much more curved.
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  Speaker 1: Those ones were curved. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, your hand is in a permanent position like this.
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  Speaker 2: So for you to do that, it's an effort. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Which When do you do that? You only do that
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: when you're blocking things or maybe when you're sliding an
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  Speaker 2: arm under to get a choke or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't think they're significantly bulkier. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not too sure, honestly. I don't really recall
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  Speaker 1: wearing it. I think that that was a while ago
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  Speaker 1: when they were doing all that, so I kind of
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  Speaker 1: don't recall super close what the curved ones, how impactful
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  Speaker 1: it would have been on grappling.
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  Speaker 2: I think the idea of the new gloves was that
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  Speaker 2: there weren't as many knockouts, which... Also, it doesn't totally
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  Speaker 2: make sense.
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  Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: They probably ran a number that was from like all
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  Speaker 1: of the years of the UFC and then maybe just
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  Speaker 1: when they started using the new ones instead of like
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  Speaker 1: just last year, how many knockouts.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they would do that. No? No, I think,
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  Speaker 2: but there were a lot of people complaining, said that
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  Speaker 2: they weren't hard, as hard as the old gloves.
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  Speaker 1: I should have brought you some.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I liked them. But Whitman gave
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  Speaker 2: me some of his and I was like, these are
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  Speaker 2: the best gloves ever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Just fucking A, man. Work it out. I know.
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  Speaker 1: They're good to train in, too. Like, you can actually
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  Speaker 1: feel like you could hit the person and not be, like, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: You know, because that's a pain in the ass when
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  Speaker 1: you always have to... When you get, like, a stiff
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  Speaker 1: pair of gloves and then you have to hit someone
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  Speaker 1: and you're just like.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, man. I know that.
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  Speaker 1: But with these ones, you can fire away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That how important is that? And it's
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  Speaker 2: like having training partners that are that are conscientious and
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  Speaker 2: aren't going to fucking blast you like the miles that
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  Speaker 2: guys take off of the clock when they're training is.
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  Speaker 2: So big. Yeah, it's big.
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  Speaker 1: I think I don't, I mean, we spar, I spar
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  Speaker 1: pretty hard still. I know that like not a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are crazy about that, but.
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  Speaker 2: You don't get hit a lot though.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing is you're slick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: Like for a guy who's just like a fucking face first. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's styles that enhance longevity and you have
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  Speaker 2: a style that enhances longevity. Because not only do you
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  Speaker 2: not get hit a lot, but you're also like, you're
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  Speaker 2: a puzzle. Yeah. You know, you're not, it's not like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: here he comes. It's like, what's going on here? You know,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of thinking that a guy has to
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  Speaker 2: do when they're interacting. You know, you have so much,
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  Speaker 2: so many feints and so many stance switches. Definitely. It's
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  Speaker 2: such a smart style, man. I love watching you fight
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  Speaker 2: because it's like, it's so, you can see that the fighter,
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  Speaker 2: if they don't, and by the way, they're probably not
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  Speaker 2: used to training with somebody like you because there's not
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  Speaker 2: a lot of guys like you. You could see how
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  Speaker 2: there's all these adjustments that they have to make on
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  Speaker 2: the fly that makes you think. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I always really looked up to all of
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  Speaker 1: the defensive guys that I would watch. Like, I know
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  Speaker 1: that in boxing, defensive, just winning the defensive battle is
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  Speaker 1: a big piece in boxing. And the judges almost even
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  Speaker 1: score a little bit for it. But in MMA, it's
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  Speaker 1: just like only offense scores. So that's not really the
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  Speaker 1: way that I grew up thinking was good martial arts, really.
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  Speaker 1: Because some of my favorite guys were Mayweather, Pernell Whitaker,
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  Speaker 1: Nenito Diner, like all of these really awesome, like, movers
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  Speaker 1: that did a phenomenal job at protecting themselves. But now, man, people,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like even more so now, people want more
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  Speaker 1: blood and more offense.
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  Speaker 2: The casuals. Yeah. Yeah, that shit drives me nuts.
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  Speaker 1: It does, man.
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  Speaker 2: It just drives me nuts. And catering to the casuals, like,
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  Speaker 2: fuck off. Like, whenever someone, like, boos and then they
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  Speaker 2: separate people or stand people up, I go crazy. I know.
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  Speaker 2: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck the crowd.
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  Speaker 1: I think grappling is really hard to understand unless you've
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  Speaker 1: done it. Yeah. Like, striking is easy to understand. Like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: that guy hit the shit out of that guy more
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  Speaker 1: than the other guy hit him.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Grappling is, like, it's a whole, it's, like, super proprioceptive,
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  Speaker 1: you know? Like, a lot of what's going on in
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  Speaker 1: grappling isn't, it's like hidden to the eye.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: It's where am I sitting my weight? Where am I
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  Speaker 1: doing this? And, um, and yeah, so it kind of just,
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  Speaker 1: people just don't think it's cool. But when you understand grappling,
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  Speaker 1: like it's amazing to watch, you know, like I'm a Rob,
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  Speaker 1: for example, who's obviously a guy that I watch a ton.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like he does such a good job with like the
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: little nuancy things in wrestling. That's just like, yeah, that,
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  Speaker 1: but it's hard to appreciate unless you really understand it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to judge too, which is a real
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: problem because there's judges that don't train and never have trained,
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  Speaker 2: which is to me fucking crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: That's like judging a Chinese spelling bee and you don't
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  Speaker 2: speak Chinese. Who knows who's fucking winning here?
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  Speaker 1: I know it.
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  Speaker 2: They don't understand it. They understand when someone's on top. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: he's on top.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, there's so many like near submission attempts
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  Speaker 2: that I think should count. Like, I always go to
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  Speaker 2: the Oliveira-Armand Sorokin fight. Because I think Oliveira won that fight.
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  Speaker 2: Because Oliveira came close to finishing him twice. And Sorokin
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  Speaker 2: stayed on top, and he had a lot of control,
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  Speaker 2: and it was a very close fight. But I think
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  Speaker 2: those fucking moments where a guy is, like, at nine.
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  Speaker 2: You know, if ten is checkmate, he's at nine twice.
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  Speaker 2: That's big, man. You don't want to be there. That
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: guy got you there. He's got a fucking locked in triangle. Yeah,
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: you got out of it. But still, that's big, man.
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  Speaker 2: That should count. And damage leading up to a KO
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  Speaker 2: or that doesn't lead to a KO is very significant
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  Speaker 2: in the scorecards. But a submission that doesn't lead up
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  Speaker 2: to a submission doesn't count. And I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: That.
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  Speaker 2: You can't just count damage. You have to count, like,
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  Speaker 2: near falls or near subs. I agree.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you want to take, for example, too, like,
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  Speaker 1: even like a me and a TJ fight, like, TJ
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  Speaker 1: was limping out of that cage, and I was kind of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, cool, you know, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that that should count for everything, but Like you're saying,
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  Speaker 1: like the reason that he was limping out of that
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  Speaker 1: cage is because I popped his knee really bad, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like he had to spend the next 18 months making
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: his knee better so that he could fight again. And
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  Speaker 1: I was able to fight, you know, pretty shortly afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's gotta be something to that. Like if
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  Speaker 1: you pop someone's shit really bad, it should count just
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  Speaker 1: as much as a knockdown or something like that. What
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  Speaker 1: do you think about the idea of, uh, like 10,
• 10:41
  Speaker 1: eight rounds for like, things that are known not just
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: like okay this person won by a mile but it's
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: like in kickboxing they do if you get knocked down
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  Speaker 1: in a round it's automatically a 10-8 round you like
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  Speaker 1: that for mna or no.
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  Speaker 2: I do but if a guy is tuning you up
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  Speaker 2: for like the entire round and you clip him and
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: drop him and he gets back up and he's still
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  Speaker 2: okay i don't think that's a 10-8 round i think
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  Speaker 2: I think MMA should be a completely different scoring system
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  Speaker 2: than a 10-point must system because I think the 10–
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  Speaker 2: we just stole this boxing system. I know. Which is
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: a great system for boxing because you only have two
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  Speaker 2: weapons and you only have your hands. You don't even
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: have elbows, right? So think about all the different factors
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  Speaker 2: in MMA and we're limited to 10 points. To me,
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  Speaker 2: that seems silly. I think it should probably be 10
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  Speaker 2: points for each aspect of the sport. Like, okay, who
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: landed more kicks? Who landed more punches? And then calculate
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: all that shit up together. You know, who had more takedowns?
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  Speaker 2: Who landed damage from the top? It should be a
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  Speaker 2: comprehensive system. And I think there should be more than
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: three judges. You know, when you have a split decision and, like,
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: some of them are so crazy, you know, you see, like,
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  Speaker 2: a five-round split decision and it's, they gave, like, four judges,
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: or two out of the three judges, rather, give, like,
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  Speaker 2: three out of five rounds, and the other person gives
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  Speaker 2: them the whole five rounds. Like, this is too much variability.
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  Speaker 2: There's too much weirdness to it. And if you're a fighter,
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  Speaker 2: especially in MMA, because of the win bonus, which also
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  Speaker 2: drives me crazy, I think if you had three more judges,
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: so if you had six judges, six judges would balance
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: it out. Six good judges. So the ones that fuck
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: up and make mistakes... They'll be canceled out by the
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: better judges.
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  Speaker 1: We could do like a submission or knockout only league.
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: That'd be pretty cool. Because then you'd definitely know who
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: was winning that one.
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  Speaker 2: What would you think about a no time limit?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no time limit, submission or knockout only.
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: That would be wild.
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: That'd be pretty sick, actually. You could probably sanction that.
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  Speaker 2: Old school UFC. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's UFC 1.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it wouldn't really pay off for me, though. I
• 12:50
  Speaker 1: need weight classes in order for my career.
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: To be good. Yeah, weight classes, sure, but no time
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  Speaker 2: limit within the weight classes.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be sweet.
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  Speaker 2: That would be pretty wild. Yeah, that'd be pretty crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Because you know, two guys are facing off each other,
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  Speaker 2: and they know. There's no rescue every five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: And you go into it knowing you're either getting knocked
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  Speaker 1: down or submitted, or you're doing that to.
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  Speaker 2: The other person. Oh, that would be real. Yeah. Again,
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  Speaker 2: the casuals would have a hard time with it because
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  Speaker 2: it would probably be a much more moderate pace. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Unless someone just tries to go for it right off
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  Speaker 2: the bat. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That could be a strategy.
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  Speaker 2: Sure. I mean, it does work. There's so many fights where...
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: Did you see the past, the Azerbaijan fight?
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  Speaker 1: I didn't watch those ones, no. I watched Curtis' fight
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: and a guy named Mohamed's fight on my team, but no,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't watch the other ones.
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  Speaker 2: It was... Who was it? Mota and the other guy
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: from Azerbaijan. See if you can find his name. Salikov? Fuck.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: I hadn't seen him fight before.
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: What weight class was it?
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: I think it was 45. 45? yeah no it was
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  Speaker 2: lightweight yeah sadikov and nicholas mota nazim sadikov and nicholas
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: mota fucking crazy fight man it was so good that
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: dana white gave him double bonuses oh nice but mota
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  Speaker 2: landed a 75 punch combination like i'm not kidding man
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: he landed like and then sadikov came back and stopped
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: him oh shit it was wild like a wild fight
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: like A fight like that where two guys just fight.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: And Mota, like, basically emptied out the tank. But Sadikov
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: had fantastic defense. Just kept covering and moving. Getting bombed
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: onto the body, into the head. But he looked like
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: he was getting close to stopping. And he comes back
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: and you see Mota's taking these big, deep breaths. It
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: was wild. Yeah.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: When that strategy works, it works. But when it doesn't,
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: you're in some shit.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: That's the problem. The blitz sprint in very few guys.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: You know, we were talking about Gaethje and golf, and
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: I was saying that I'm scared of golf. And, you know,
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: you were like, I don't have time for golf. The
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: thing that happens with golf is it takes so much
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: time and it's so addictive that it's going to take
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: away time from other stuff, no matter what you do.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: And when you look at a guy, like I always
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: point to Merab because the day after he beat Sean
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: the first fight, DC went to his house to go
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: talk to him, and he was out running the day after.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: That's a guy who does not stop. And that extreme
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: physicality and that extreme endurance, because he is just constantly working,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: that means something. It counts. If you take months off,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: you take, you know, like this was the thing that
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about with Jon Jones. Jon Jones said
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: he needed six months to prepare for Aspinall, if he's
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: going to fight Aspinall. So they were trying to make
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: a deal, and then he decided to retire. but it's
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: six months because he's not training like at all. Like
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: he just doesn't train like in between fights, just doesn't train.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Which he used to do that a lot when he
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: was younger too, which is, I always thought it was crazy.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: That is crazy to me. I always saw guys do that.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Like when I was in my twenties and like, I
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: would watch these really big fighters just not train unless
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: it was a training camp time. I'd be like, fuck that.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: I'm never being that way. Um, I don't know, man. That's,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: that's like a really weird one to me, but I
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: don't want to bash it too bad. Cause I do
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: know a lot of guys that do do that, but.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Look at John greatest of all time. It's like, how
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: did he do that?
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: I really don't know. I don't know how that works.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Like I want it to make sense in my head
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: that like the harder you work, the more shit you'll
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: get from it, you know, which is like true to
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: an extent, but then you have like these weird outlier
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: guys that maybe have something more figured out than me
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: that I don't have figured out or whatever. But I mean,
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: that to me is like completely unacceptable in my head.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: Like I, I think that I really hate when people
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: say that they want to be something and then they
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: don't do any of the actions to like actually do
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: that thing that they're saying that they.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Want to be. Right.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: So I don't get to walk around being like, yeah,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be a world champion. I want to
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: be a world champ real bad and then not do
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: any of the fucking actions. You know, then I'm just
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: a stupid person, you know?
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I think John is just so fucking talented that
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: he could pull that off. Yeah, probably. That's the outlier.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: It's like he was just so good. He was so good.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: He could do it. He could party and still fuck
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: guys up. Like what he said to Cormier at the
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: press conference for the second fight. I beat you when
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: I was on coke.
• 17:15
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  Speaker 2: That's BetterHelp.com slash J-R-E. This is the thing. When guys
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  Speaker 2: are that talented, they're playing with their food. essentially until
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: you know like like i always point to with john
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the first gustafson fight which by all accounts he didn't
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: train oh really yeah by all accounts barely trained for
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: that fight barely trained just partying yeah and beat gustafson
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: and pulled it off in the last rounds which was
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: really crazy but then comes back in the second fight
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: is like okay motherfucker now we're trained and just destroys
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: him just runs right through.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Him which god does he worship Yeah, I know, right?
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I need to start going to that church.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's just talent, man. And it's also genetics. Like,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: both of his brothers are super athletes. You know, he's
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: just a phenomenal specimen. And then he's got a great
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: mind for fighting. You can't discount his in-cage IQ because
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: it's fucking phenomenal.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I do think two people have different wired brains, too,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: where some people need, like, cool-down time in order for
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: them to... Yeah, I don't know, man. I really, I
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: don't know how it works. I spent a lot of
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: time thinking about it. I don't... yeah, I'm more on
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the other end where it's like, I'm going to give
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: every inch of myself to this thing, you know, in
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: hopes that I get it one day. But then I
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: know a lot of guys, man, a lot of guys
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: that are really successful that are just like, nah, man,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: I need my like off time. But that to me
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: is really uncomfortable, but I kind of got a little
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: bit I don't like chilling, you know, like me and
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: my wife were just in Maui a couple of weeks ago.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: It's like the first vacation for seven days I ever taken,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: like since I was a kid, probably.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Did you get stir crazy?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: I got a little stir crazy. I kind of liked
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: it though. Like a piece of me liked just completely
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: being like, oh, my home, my like life doesn't exist
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: back there. So I liked it a little bit in that,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: but I didn't like the feeling of being completely like
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: turning my nervous system off completely. That was like weird
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: to me. I like being like a little stressed or
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: having something going a little bit all the time. It
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: kind of just makes me feel like alive or something.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I didn't really like that feeling.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: I was kind of ready to come. I like didn't
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: like that. I liked it too. It'd be like if
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I started playing golf and I was like, oh shit,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: this is fun. And then I got to like do
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: that more and more. I don't really want to get
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: addicted to relaxing either.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Well, the golf thing is a six hour plus thing.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: That's true too.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. When you're a guy like Jamie. You know, you're whack. Like,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Jamie's got a simulator out there, so he's whacking balls
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: every day. It gets you. It gets in your blood.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: But the thing about, like, relaxing, one thing that I
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: do like about vacations is that at the end, I'm
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: ready to go to work. Like, when I'm done, when it's, like, day,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: if I'm on an eight-day vacation, it's day seven. I'm like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I can't fucking wait to get back to work. I
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: can't wait to get shit going.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I don't get that.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: When I was out there, I was like, I could
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: stay here forever.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: I was like, fuck home. I was like, can we
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: afford this? I was like, let's just stay here.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: Isn't that, it's a weird thing about momentum, right? Like
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: when you're training really hard all the time, you have
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: this like constant momentum in your head of improvement. You're like,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: you're on the path. You're in the process, you know,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: and you're feeling that. And when that gets disrupted, when
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: guys get injured and they have to come back or
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: they get sick and they have to come back, there's like,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: You got to like rebuild that momentum. And get it
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: going again. So it's like a part of your mind.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: You wake up like time to go. Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty familiar with like the process of like having
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: to kick back into camp, you know, and I do
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: realize that it takes me about two weeks to get like,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: all right, this is my normal life again, you know,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: which is why I really like training camp. And I
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: really like fighting more than real life is what I say,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: just because It's like organized. I know what I'm doing.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I don't got to think about stuff. I'm not traveling places.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: People like traveling. I hate traveling. It makes me feel
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: like my life is moving on fast forward, which I
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: don't really like. I like feeling I feel most alive
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: when I'm in a routine and I have time to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: myself and I could sit and kind of reflect and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: all of that shit. But but yeah, I.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: What is the difference between your training, like regular training,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and then training once you get into camp? What is
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: a normal day when you're not in camp for you?
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: It's all the exact same. I'm just less competitive when
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I'm outside of camp. And I won't, if I'm like
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: beat to shit, dead tired, I'll miss a practice. But
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that's really the only time that I'll miss a practice.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: In camp, I won't miss unless I have like a
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: two-week rule where if I'm like dragging really bad, I'll
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: make myself go for another week and a half, two
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: weeks until I'm like, okay, I, I, I, I do
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: actually need a rest, you know? And then, so I'll
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: do that in camp. Um, but yeah, I, uh, but
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: outside of camp is pretty much the exact same. I've
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: been traveling a lot, which I really don't like doing. Um,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: just because again, like I, I don't really feel like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: I'm alive. I feel like I'm like fast forwarding through
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff. But it's been like useful stuff
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: like seeing family and then like me and my wife
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: going on our honeymoon or whatever. So it's like normal
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: life shit that I guess I got to check in
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and do every once in a while. But if it
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: were up to me, it would just be like training
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: camp life all of the time just because it's easier.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: It's way easier. It's fun. It's easy.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I go to the gym.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I do my hard workouts. I'm competitive as fuck. I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: get to get that out of me. And then I
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: just hang with my friends for an hour afterwards.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: When you say you're less competitive when you're just normal training,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: is that conscious? Do you decide to be less competitive?
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: And why do you do that?
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I do that because I think that if I'm too competitive,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I won't work on stuff. A lot of camp for
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: me is getting better at stuff. And then the last
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: four weeks is figuring out how to win. It's not
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: like I think that practicing winning is just as important
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: as being able to practice a certain skill. So a
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: lot of my camps will be developing those skills. But
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: then like the last four or five weeks, it's just
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I need to focus on winning each round, regardless of
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: who it's against or whatever. I'm not like practicing a
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: certain technique or doing anything like that. It's just win, win, win.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Just doing whatever it takes to win that round.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's an important skill to build.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: And when you're less competitive, when you're just training and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: you're not in camp, you'll try things, be a little
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: more playful, try to sort stuff, try new skills.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: And I'm definitely not sparring hard as fuck like I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: do in camp too. I won't do that outside of
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: camp unless I got a guy that's been giving me
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: a bunch of rounds in my camps and he has
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: a fight coming up. And then I'll gear up to
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: give him a good one. But no, outside camp, just
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: less competitive. I don't show up as early and get
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: my mind right before camp. When I'm in camp, every
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: single sparring session that I do, I try to put
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: myself in the locker room while I'm warming up. I
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: think that that's like, I've had a lot of success
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: doing that. Just making my body make good decisions when
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: I'm in a super elevated, high intensity state is something
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: you got to practice too. I definitely want to do
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: that outside of camp because that's a lot of energy.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: So you visualize the walkout, you visualize like stepping into
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the octagon, all that?
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Uh, essentially, um, it's not as, so I don't do
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: as much of, um, I'd more so go off a
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: feel a little bit more now where I'll be like, okay,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I need to do this today because I know that
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I really don't want to do it. Um, or I'll
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: be like, okay, this day, for whatever reason, I'm really distracted.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I'll do a little bit more visualization, mindful stuff or whatever,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: because every day is different in sparring. Um, as you know,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: where some days you're good to go right off of
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: the bat and then other days you're dragging. it's those
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: days that you're dragging that I make sure that I'm like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: those ones I'll be like, okay, fucking visualize because your
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: body doesn't want to do this right now. And I'll
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: put myself in that state twice a week, which is,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: has helped a lot, a lot, a lot.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I know for a while you were organizing your whole camp, right? Yeah.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Are you still doing that?
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: No, I don't do that anymore. That has actually been
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: like a super significant piece in one, my life getting
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a lot better. And then two, I think that like it,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to transfer over really well into
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: my next few fights. Um, for a really long time,
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons, I was like really micromanaging
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: over my, my stuff. Uh, I don't like when people
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: do things for me. Like I, I kind of like
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: live in a way where everything is my responsibility. And
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: if I fuck up, it was like on me, regardless
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: of what happens, which is like a fine way to be,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: but also it's not like crazy realistic either. Um, but
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that's just kind of the way that I am just
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: the way that I grew up. Like, It was kind
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: of like take care of me type of thing, you know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and if I'm messing stuff up, it's on me. So
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I was like that for a really long time. It
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: was actually after the Umar fight where I realized how
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: in the way I got of myself in that fight.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: How so?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Overdoing it from insecurity a little bit. That was my
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: first camp with Trevor, too. And Trevor's a phenomenal coach.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: I've known him for a lot of years. He has
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of champions. There's no reason to doubt any
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: of what he has going on or my other coach,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Carrington Banks, or anyone really. But because I kind of
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: have this mindset on life, or did used to have
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: this mindset on life, where it was, hey, man, manage everything.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Make sure everyone's doing their work, blah, blah, blah. After
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: that Umar fight, I really got into, I was like,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: all right, fuck it, guys. I messed that one up,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I felt like, because I was trying to be too
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: micromanaging over this thing. I started getting outside of myself.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: You guys take over. And the reason that I did
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: that wasn't necessarily because I lost. It's because I'm coaching
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: a couple professionals now. And coaching a professional is different
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: than coaching an amateur. It feels like a lot more responsibility.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: And I realized what was happening when I would try
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: to help these couple guys that I was trying to
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: help is that they... they are too close to it
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the same way that I'm sure you get too close
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: to your art as well like in comedy you're too
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: close to it sometimes where you don't really you can't
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: see things from a perspective that is like true and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: real because you're so locked into what it is that
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: you're doing I really big time realized that that was
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a thing in my other guys so when I would
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: try to help them and they'd be like hey man
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: like I don't like they'd kind of get a little
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: bit argumentative I'd be like You could keep doing that,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: but I'm a thousand percent sure that I'm right about this,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: you know, but do your own thing. And I started
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to realize like, oh, fuck, that's what I do all
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the time. I was like, fuck, dude, I got to
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: stop being argumentative and just shut the fuck up and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: listen if I really trust these guys. And so I
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: started doing that big time, man, and it changed so
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: much stuff for me.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I forgot who you fought your last fight.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: I fought Figgy last.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: That's right. And Figgy blew his knee out. Yeah. So
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: that's essentially the same position that you got in with TJ, Yeah,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: yeah 50-50 and what that that's like you're This is
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: all Ryan Hall stuff, right? Yep And so you're putting
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: him in a position where if he doesn't know what
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: you're doing and he tries to get out of it
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: He's gonna blow his knee.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yep, essentially. I like 50-50 a lot because one I
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: get to learn it from the guy who essentially invented
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: it and is the best at it in the world
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and The only guys that I feel like can beat
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: me at 50-50 are guys that train at 50-50. And
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: so it's kind of like what it feels like 50-50,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: the position and just kind of leg locks in general,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: if you really know how to do them in MMA,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: are a spot that you can pull people into and
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: have them be completely lost.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Because they have to think, what do I do now?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: And you're already moving.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: It's super niche too. Like understanding the position is super niche.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: It's like judo almost a little bit in wrestling where
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, cool, if this guy's going to just
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: wrestle with me, great. But if this guy has good throws,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: that changes a lot of the way that I have
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to do things. I can pull people into these really
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: niche spots where I know that I'm going to win them.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: So 50-50 is one of those. It's kind of like
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: what jiu-jitsu used to be a little bit before people
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: started to understand jiu-jitsu. But now people fully understand jiu-jitsu,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: so you don't really get to catch people in guillotines
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But 50-50 and a lot of the leg
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: locks and a lot of stuff that Ryan teaches me
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: and does, is so niche that like you would need
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: an absolute expert to understand it. And I like get
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the fortune of having that. Yeah.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. He's so fucking smart too. That dude is
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: just like his analysis of jujitsu and the way he's
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: broken down different positions. It's, it's really exciting to watch.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Is he fighting? You know, he's had like nine surgeries
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: or something crazy, right?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: It's like closer to a thousand, but, uh, but, uh,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: but yeah, he, I mean, he's doing good. He says
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: he wants to fight again. I hope that he does.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Why is he having all these surgeries? Like what's going on?
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's, um, uh, just one of those things
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: where like you let one thing go and then another
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: thing breaks and then another thing breaks and you kind
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: of like are taping yourself back together. And then one
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: day you wake up and you're like, shit, I got
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: to like take care of this.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: How many, what are the surgeries that he had?
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Um, I'm not sure specifically, you name it. He's probably
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: had it. Um, like I've never heard of anybody having
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: that many surgeries. There's a couple of knee ones, a
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: couple of shoulder ones. Um, Honestly, I quit asking after
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: a certain point. But, yeah, I think that he's kind
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: of coming back. Ryan, more than anything, I'm like a
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: super conceptual thinker. Like I don't really like details. Like
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I don't remember names of stuff.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: 19. General anesthesia. First of all, that is so bad
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: for you. That is really bad. So bad for you
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: to go under general. Can you go back up there,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: what it says there? It says tearing his ACL the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: following years and many surgeries. Jiu-Jitsu specialist wasn't out of
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: the woods just yet. That is so crazy. Yeah. Okay.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: So he had to fix a planter plate. So that's
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: his foot. Got fallen on again. Had to have a
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: tightrope surgery. The one that Pat Mahomes got and a
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: lot of other people have had. I don't know what
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: that one is. Do you know what that is? Tightrope surgery? Nope.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: No idea. ACL got infected. Had to have a couple
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: of septic arthritis. The tightrope is actually allergic to the
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: hardware they put in me. Oh, my God. So he
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: had to have that redone. Boy, came to injuries, he said,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: completely bulletproof for 15 years until his training camp for Teporia,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: where he tore his hip right before the fight. Tightrope
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: is used to stabilize ankle. Oh. Wow. That is crazy.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: He said more than half the surgeries of ones where, oops,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: we screwed up. Let's do that again. Six elbow surgeries
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: and five knee surgeries. Holy shit. Holy shit.
• 33:20
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• 33:24
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• 35:02
  Speaker 2: General anesthesia is very bad for you.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: It's kind of scary, dude.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fucking scary.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I've only had a couple surgeries. How many surgeries have
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: you had? Like under the knife, like had to go under.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Three knee surgeries under the knife. I think those are
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: the only general anesthesia ones that I've had.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: I've only had to do it for my elbow when
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I tore my tricep.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: You tore that shit off the bone, right?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty fucked up.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: But you still won the fight.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I did still win the fight. That was like a
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: whole fucking thing, though. I got bursitis in that elbow
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: because I got a bunch of loose floating bones and
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: shit in there. So then it just swelled up really bad.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: And every time I've gotten bursitis, I've gotten really bad
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: staph infections in it. Yeah, because, I mean, you got
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: to think it's just like sitting pooled fluid in your body.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: And then when you're still in the gym training and
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: it gets like in your bloodstream or whatever, it's like
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: a swamp.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Wasn't that what happened to Ben Askren? Wasn't it a
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: staph infection that turned into pneumonia? Oh, really?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Is he doing okay?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: He's not doing okay, man. He needs a lung transplant. Oh, fuck. Yeah,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: he had, I think they call it necrotic pneumonia syndrome.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: So essentially it was rotting holes in his lung tissue.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: So they had to put him on a ventilator and
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: apparently one of his lungs is just gone and they
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: have to replace it, which is... That's not... That's so
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: crazy because then you have to be on medication for
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: your entire life because your body wants to reject the
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: lung because it's not your lung. So you have to
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: take these immunosuppressant... So now your immune system is severely
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: suppressed because you have to take immunosuppressant drugs in order
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to have this. I have a friend who had a
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: heart transplant and... He's all fucked up because of it.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: It's just like you're always worried about getting sick because
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: your immune system is very compromised.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Damn, that's going to change his life.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I mean, he's still in a medically
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: induced coma, I believe. I think he's out of the
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: coma now. He looks at people and he can kind
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: of talk a little bit. But, I mean, this is
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: all going on for many, many weeks now. And I
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: think what happened was he was feeling like shit and
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: he didn't know how bad it was and he went
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: to a Bitcoin conference and You know, he traveled, and
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: then it got real bad. And then he realized, oh,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: this is serious.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: So it was a staph kind of inside of his lung?
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Can you see if we can find that? If it
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: started with a staph infection.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: That sounds like it would really hurt. Staph infections by
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: themselves hurt really bad. I couldn't imagine having it in
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: your lungs where you're breathing into.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think enough people pay attention to staph.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I don't either.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, how many guys, like, fight and they're on antibiotics?
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: It happens all the time. Marab. Like when Rob fought Umar,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: apparently he had staph on his shin and he was
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: on antibiotics when he fought.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: So, dude, the type of antibiotic that I was on,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I forget the name of it, unfortunately. But the reason
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: I tore my tricep was because that antibiotic made my
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: ligaments super shitty, pretty much. Because, dude, I should never
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: tear my tricep. I'm pretty sure it happened when he
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: was Kimura-ing me. dude, that shouldn't happen, you know, like
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: maybe something else, but definitely not tear my tricep. So
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: that's when it happened. And then I was like, yo,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is that about? Like that shouldn't happen.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: And then when I read into it a little bit,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: they told me that that specific antibiotic, it doesn't mess
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: with your respiratory stuff, like your conditioning as much, but
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: it makes your ligaments just really not good.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: No, that's terrible. I know. I know. And then you
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: have to fight. Yeah. Which is crazy.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I know. Last camp, I didn't get one, dude. I
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: was so happy. I didn't get sick.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: How many times have you had staph?
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Uh, not too many times, but man, so this time
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: with my elbow against font, I got it really bad.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I was on one round of antibiotics for seven days
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: or something, and then it came back immediately. So then
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I was on it for two more weeks and then
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I got off it the week before the fight.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: So I was.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Essentially on it for like a month, which, which sucks.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: And then, uh, And then against Umar, I got it
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: really bad in my knee. Like super bad where I'm
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: not a crazy anxious person, dude, but I finally got
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: to like experience what it was like to have a
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: panic attack because I was in Virginia training, got it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: I was like, something's up with my knee. It hurt
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: really bad. Couldn't put weight on my leg. This was
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: probably like a month before the fight, maybe. Maybe a
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: little bit before that, five weeks or so. I got
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: a really bad knee infection um i started taking the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: antibiotics but they told me like hey man if this
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: doesn't get better like if you start taking these antibiotics
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and tomorrow it's not better we need you to cut
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: it come in we're gonna cut your knee open and
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: clean it because that's how they take care of it
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: and i was like sure i was like i'm not
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: coming back here you know like right i'm gonna take
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: these antibiotics because otherwise you can't fight and then i
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: can't fight so uh Yeah, so that was a shitty situation,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: but just pretty much really bad, maybe three times.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Three times. Yeah, three times.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe, like, pretty bad.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a scary thing because it fucking kills people. Yeah,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: it does. The staff gets systemic, gets in your bloodstream,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: and you can die.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Dude, that's why I think I freaked out really bad
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: with my knee is because I remember laying in bed
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: and being like, I called my wife and just set
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: the phone next. I was like, Hey, like until you
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: get home, like, can you just be on the phone?
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Cause I'm kind of afraid I'm about to die a
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: little bit.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: It was really, it got like really scary there.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Was it swollen? Was it, so it was an external.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: It was super swollen. Yeah.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: It was super swollen.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: It, no, no, no.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: It wasn't an abrasion one. It was like inside of mine.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: So it was internal. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: So that really wasn't good. But I remember every time
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I've taken antibiotics with the staph infection, my experience has
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: been that it gets really painful and a lot worse
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: for like the first few hours when the antibiotics kick
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: in and start killing it. And then it starts to
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: get better. But the first couple of hours is like
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: kind of scary. So when I first started taking the antibiotics,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: that's when I called my wife because I don't take
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of medicine. Like if I take an ibuprofen,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I will feel that shit working through my entire body.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so I like took the antibiotics and I
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: started to feel it through my body. And I was like,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: this is scary. And I was like, hey, like, Till
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: you get home, let's be on the phone because I'm
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: afraid I'm about to pass out and die here.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's fucking terrifying.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: But I didn't want to go to the dock and
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: then get cut open and not be able to fight
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: because that fight had already got canceled and shit. So
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I know, we're always put in
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: tough spots.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: I know, but sometimes you just got to do that.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you have to cancel a fight. And I know
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: nobody likes to hear that, but it's so different than boxing. Boxing,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: you get so few fight cancellations. You know, it's much less.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: But when you're wrestling, when you're grappling, you're constantly getting
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: kicked and punched and you're fucking, you're doing so many
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: different things. The odds of you getting injured are so
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: much higher. I know. Gordon got staff for a fucking year.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Like that's why his stomach is all fucked up. Gordon
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Ryan was on antibiotics for a year and his internal
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: gut bacteria, his flora is just, torched damn he's just
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: a mess damn he can't keep food down he has
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: this like constant fight or flight reaction in his body
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: where he wants to vomit all the time and he's
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: going through training camps and beating everybody in grappling matches
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: against the best in the world that's how good he
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: is yeah like with staff for 12 years or excuse
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: me 12 months and then on top of that this
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: lingering stomach thing because of that that no doctor seems
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: to figure out they can't fix it he's gone to
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: like They've given him a bunch of different shit. He's
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: tried peptides and this and that. You get a little
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: bit of improvement. He starts training hard again, comes back. Yeah.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: There's probably some old lady in the Amazon jungle that
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: knows how to cure that shit. It's like, just eat this, stupid.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I told him, try a seven-day fast. Try something nutty
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Or like an only avocados diet. There's got to be something.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: There's got to be something.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: There's got to be something. But I would think like
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: a fast where you just, I feel like you just
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: completely let your gut reset. Yeah. I mean, I don't know.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Do you do those?
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: No. No, yeah. I've done a day. Yeah. I've never
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: done like the long one. Dana just did a long one.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: He did like three days. He said it was awesome.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: He said by the end of it, you'd feel fucking amazing.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did the three-day one. I was like, fuck, dude,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I was just hungry for three days.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: What the fuck?
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like a superhero at all.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, maybe
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: it's variable.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: The one thing that I'm really big on is I
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: like won't fuck her. Like, I'm really in touch with
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: what's going on usually with like my body and stuff.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: I'm really big on, I don't know why it doesn't
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: get talked about more, but like digestive, like things that
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: mess up my digestive system, I don't mess around with
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Like what kind of stuff?
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Like bread, pizzas, too much cheese, stuff like that.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Bread's fucking terrible for you.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: It is, dude. Every time I eat pizza, I like
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: can't shit the next day.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: It's not even pizza. It's American pizza. It's our wheat.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Our wheat is poisoned. It really is. It's sprayed with
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: folic acid and it's fucking, all the nutrients are pulled
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: out of it. There's glyphosate in the wheat. It's like
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: that's what's really going on. It's also a re-engineered wheat,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: so it's got more gluten. It's more complex gluten, so
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: it's got a higher yield per acre. So your body's like,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: what is this? It causes all this inflammation. When I
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: go to Italy, I eat pizza over there. I eat
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: a whole pizza. I feel great. Oh, really?
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: You can shit nice the next day?
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: I feel great. I never have a problem shitting. But
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I do feel bloated. My gut swells. I'll eat a
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: giant bowl of spaghetti or something like that. And then
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I look like I'm pregnant. It's horrible. I feel so tired.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Just like I got shot with a tranquilizer dart. But
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I'm so dumb. I keep going back to it. I know, dude.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: It's hard not to, dude. You're just like, surely this
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: will work this time.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: It's so delicious. I see a plate of lasagna. I'm like,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: fuck it. We're going in. But I know what I'm
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: getting into when I do it.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I know. I actually don't get like that anymore. I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: have like a weird relationship with food now where that
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: shit is just fuel to me kind of. Yeah. When
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like low in weight, I get cravings. But right
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: now when I'm like just kind of good, not hungry,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: not like overdoing it and stuff, I don't really feel
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: like I get too many cravings. Do you have a
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: nutritionist or anything like that? I use a nutritionist inside
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: my camps.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: She's great.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: What's an average meal for you? Um.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: I wish that I actually gave a shit so that
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I could follow and actually be more helpful. There's two
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: things I really don't care about. Strength and conditioning and nutrition.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I'm like, just tell me. Don't explain it to me.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Just make me do it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just tell me what to do and I'll just
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: do that thing. But it's actually a lot more food
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: than what you'd think. And I can lose a lot
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: of weight when she has me do it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: She'd do it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what it is. It's more so
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of carbs more towards the end of the day. Um,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: like before, cause I really don't sleep good. Usually when
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I'm really training a lot, my nervous system is like
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: not ever down. So at night I'd usually won't sleep well.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: So I'll eat like a big bowl of oatmeal at night.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Everyone is kind of different. What I will say though,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: that I would big time recommend to fighters and stuff
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: is after hard workouts, drinking dextrose or Gatorade with like
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: some electrolytes. If you have multiple workouts in a day,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: that's a giant game changer. Because there's a little bit
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: of a window from my understanding. I don't really know
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: how this shit works, but there's a little bit of
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: a window where it's like 20 to 45 minutes after
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: you're done working where your body will just take sugar
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: and put it back into your muscles. And so I'll
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: drink a shitload of sugar after really hard workouts, really
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: hard sparring sessions, like 50, 60 grams of sugar. Which
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: is insane, but.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: But not when you're training that hard.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not when you're training that hard.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Floyd Mayweather drinks soda. Yeah. He drinks like, he'll drink
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: a Coca-Cola after training.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: And it's probably good for, it's probably good for you.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: When you're training that hard, like it's not like, you know, people, oh,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: soda's bad for you. Well, sure, if you're just drinking soda.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: But if you're fucking running marathons or something crazy like that,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: or you're doing something like really exhausting, it's really good
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: for you right after a workout.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Especially if you have multiple workouts, like that's.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: That's one big thing that she does that I added in.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: In the morning, it's like a pretty balanced thing though.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: It's like not like no fat, no carbs. It's like
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: nothing like that. It's like a pretty balanced. It's a
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: lot of protein.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: What's the sources of protein?
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I drink a lot of protein shakes.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like a part owner in this company called V-Gain.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: So I just get like a shitload of protein for
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: free pretty much.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Is it pea protein? So it's vegan protein?
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: It's vegan protein. The other ones kind of mess up
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: my stomach a little bit.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Just the ones that are made out of.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Um, like milk and. Oh, like whey.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Whey makes you fart like crazy. Yeah.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Those ones.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I'm as if I drink, if I take something, I
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: almost immediately know if it's going to mess with my
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: digestive system and I can't be having that while I'm
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: like rolling around.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: With dudes and shit. I know there's certain protein bars like, uh,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Peter Atiyah has this great protein bar called David. They're
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: fucking so delicious. Mm-hmm. But whenever I eat one, I
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: have to like go outside because my farts are so bad.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: I don't even want to be in the house.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: What is it, the fiber or the protein?
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know what's in them. They're delicious. It's low calorie,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: high protein. I think it's like a small bar. It's
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: like 30 grams of protein. But whatever it is, your
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: body is just like, fuck this. What is this? It's
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: just I generally think that anything that does that to
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: you can't be ideal. It just can't be good for you.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: So I'd rather just eat a piece of steak or
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: something like that. It's not better for you. Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Um, outside, but I also have different cravings in camp too.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Like outside of camp, I'll do a little bit like
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: more fruits and stuff like that instead of a bunch
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: of rice or potatoes or whatever.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: You don't eat fruits when you're in camp?
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I still do, but it's not as much as you'd think.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Like it's like maybe a cup, cup or two a day. Um,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: I'll do that. It's not a ton of vegetables, but
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: it's like specific vegetables because I've been getting a lot
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: of staff. It's like ones that counteract like staff stuff she's.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Do you like take fermented stuff like kimchi things along
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: those lines.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Uh that's a piece of it um fermented stuff is
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: good it's like a decent amount of garlic stuff like
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: turmeric stuff.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Garlic apparently there was a study that was done with
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: garlic with like external staff infections and it's as effective
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: or more effective than antibiotics. Yeah. I believe that. Yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Garlic fucking kills everything. There's a reason why like a
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: lot of people use it in their food. A lot
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: of cultures use it in their food. It's to prevent
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: food poisoning.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: So dude, when I got, when I got that, uh,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: the knee infection staff, I was like, all right, I'm
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: just going to try to kill this with a bunch
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: of garlic. And dude, I was taking like 10 or
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: 15 garlic pills, like the high potency ones. Dude, after
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: about two days of that, I shit out every single
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: piece of shit inside my body that ever existed. The
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: ones that were up in the attic just chilling, bro.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: All of it came out. I was like, ooh, a
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: little hack there. Maybe you don't have to fast for
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: three days. You can just fucking eat a bunch of
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: garlic and shit everything out.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Why did you go with the pills and not the cloves?
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Just because it's more convenient?
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Like just eating garlic cloves?
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, eating garlic cloves.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I would do that.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: I eat garlic cloves sometimes. You cook them? No, I
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: just eat them raw. Because it feels like it's doing something.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: If I'm not feeling good, I'll eat garlic. I'll eat
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: like raw cloves, like three or four cloves, and your
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: body's like, whoa. Oh, really? Yeah.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: They don't give you indigestion and stuff?
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: A little bit, maybe. But really what it does is
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: like it feels like you just took a drug. It
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: feels like you took a medicine. Really? Yeah. All right.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: How many do you eat?
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Four? Three, four. Three, four? Yeah.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: I'll try that.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Some fat cloves. Just chew them down. They taste nasty. Okay.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Like while you're eating it.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like I've tried that.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've tried that. Yeah. But, I mean, I think
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: there's something to, like, ancient medicine. Like, people have been
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: taking garlic. I mean, obviously it has something to do
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: with taste. Thousand-year-old onion and garlic eye remedy kills MRSA.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Thousand years old. Whoa, look at that cool ass line.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Is that the recipe right there? Yeah, it is. Look
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: at that cool language. What is that language? It's an
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Anglo-Saxon manuscript. Whoa. Look how wild that language is. People
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: used to draw so much. Old English, I guess. Wow.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I guess you can probably read it. So, astonished to
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: find an almost completely wiped out methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus. How do
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: you say that? Staphylococcus?
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I always try to say that.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: Staphylococcus?
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: Staphylococcus.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Staphylococcus aureus, otherwise known as MRSA. Their findings were presented
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: at a national microbiology conference. The remedy was found in
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Ball's leech book, an old English manuscript containing instructions on
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: various treatments held in the British Library. Isn't that wild, man?
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Like there's stuff that works that like people have been
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: doing for thousands of years, but people dismiss it as
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: being voodoo. Yeah.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: You know what else is a cool one too is
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: like a tip. Do you cramp up a lot ever?
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: No, I take a lot of electrolytes. Okay. I used to.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I used to, but then I realized I drink Element
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: like every day basically.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: My PT a long time ago recommended that because I
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: used to cramp up a lot. Spicy food, I guess,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: makes you not cramp up as much.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? Yeah.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: So like about 10 years ago when he told me that,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: now I love spicy food and I don't really need
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: to force myself to eat it. But when he first
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: told me that, I started eating a bunch of spicy
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: stuff and I stopped cramping up as much.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's why I don't cramp up. I eat a
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: lot of spicy food.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be why because they have these little
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: things that the UFC gives us too called hot shots
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: where if you're cutting weight, you're supposed to drink it.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: And it's pretty much just cinnamon and cayenne. Um, and
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: like some other stuff.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: And it's supposed to stop you from cramping. It works though.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: No kidding. I wonder what the mechanism is of that.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I love hot sauce. So I have my own
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: like kind of hot sauce, like senior lechuga made like
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: a little line of three hot sauces for me, but
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: how does spicy foods prevent cramping? Okay. Science is simple.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: If your neurons are too busy firing off to your mouth,
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: they won't have time to bother cramping up your muscles.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: What? That sounds pretend. Wow.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: That sounds pretend.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Dr.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: McKinnon.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Just trick them.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Trick your body, stupid. Distract them. Look over here. Found
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: that spicy drinks help prevent these short bursts of muscle cramps.
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: He teamed up with a biotech company to produce a
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: product that can be sold online and found on the
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: shelves at select stores. Hot shot. There it is. A
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: drinkable shot mixed with ginger and cinnamon. Ironman champ Craig
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Alexander is an avid user of the supplement along with
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: several other Rio Olympic runners. Interesting.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: It works, dude, because the second I started doing that,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I stopped cramping up. I still get one every once
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: in a while. It's not like a 100% thing, but
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: it works.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Muscle cramps must be brutal when you're cutting weight, right?
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Because you're draining your body of basically everything. Yeah.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. My weight cuts, I'm pretty like, I
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: kind of got down to a science a little bit.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I don't really cramp super bad.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: How much do you cut?
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: A week before I try to be like 16 to
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: 18 pounds heavy over. And then I'll lose that last
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: bit that week. But I'll walk around if I'm really fat,
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: like on vacation and shit, not giving a, just not caring.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: I'll be about 162 when I'm training good and like
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: All of that will be about.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: 157, 158.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: And then I just got to lose until I'm about 52,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: 51 the week before. And then that week I lose
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: the rest.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: The week is a calorie restriction in the beginning and
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: then water restriction? Or how do you do it? It's
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: a decent.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: So 10 days away, I start loading up on water.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Like the rule of thumb is however many pounds you
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: got to lose, that's how many pounds of water you'll
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: drink that day. So if I have 16 to lose,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: I'd have to drink two gallons of water. Also, don't
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: take any of my advice if you're listening to because
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I don't really fucking know. I know that like water
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: shit can get really scary. So I don't, you know,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: like people chugging distilled water have like killed themselves and stuff.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, distilled water. Is that what you drink? No, no, no, no, no.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: That's not good for you. Yeah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, 10 days away, I start loading up on
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: the water. And then on the Tuesday, so we weigh
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: in Friday. So however many days before that is on Tuesday,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: you'll do the cut the sodium. And then that pretty
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: much you lose a lot when you're chugging that much
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: water and cut sodium. So I would say on Tuesday,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of it is water. And then it's kind
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: of up to me how crazy I want to go
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: with food. I'm obviously not eating like super huge meals
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: that week, but I don't let myself get too hungry.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty good about a lot of stuff where now
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: I can kind of be like if I go to
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: bed like at like an eight amount of hunger. instead
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: of like a seven, I'll know almost exactly how much
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I'll lose the next day, which is like kind of cool.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: How much of a performance hit do you think you have?
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you're in phenomenal condition, but how much
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: of a hit do you think you have in dehydrating
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: yourself 24 hours before a fight?
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it depends on how much water you
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: lose too. I think just off the top of my head,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: maybe 15 or 20. 15 or 20%?
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe. So what would you think about if the UFC
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: instituted more weight classes and they eliminated weight cuts? Like
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: what if they said like, because it is for some guys,
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: it is the most dangerous part of the fight because
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: some guys go hard. Some guys are losing 26, 30
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: pounds within a couple of days and they just look
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: like hell. Yeah.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I think that the way to solve that, because one's
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: tried doing that with like the rehydration tests and everyone
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: that I talked to that's like been involved with that
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: has been like, dude, I could cheat that easy.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? Yeah. Um, but how do they cheat it?
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: Uh, I mean, there's just like, if you know that
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: you're going to get like hydrate tested at a certain time,
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that they probably just drink most of their
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: water during that time or something like that.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: But then your weight would be higher, right?
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, your weight would have to be higher, but
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know that they like test you.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: I guess I don't really know, honestly, but, um, I mean,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: if they're going to test you, do they test you like, hey,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: your weight has to be this and then your hydrate?
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I think that they just go in and they're like, hey,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: how yellow is your piss type of thing, you know?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that that's what it might be. If
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: it's like more scientific, then cool. But it might just
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: be like, hey.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: It's got to be more scientific because sometimes my piss
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: is pretty yellow. It just meant I drank a lot
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: of vitamins. You know, I think there's like an actual
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: test where they test you. test the levels.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I think that if you added in more weight classes
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: that would handle a lot of it. I'd probably just
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: do 140.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Would you? Probably. Would that be ideal for you?
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: That'd be pretty ideal. Yeah.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like the UFC should have more weight
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: classes and I've said this for a long time. I
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: just think this there's some gaps that are crazy like
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: the 85-205 gap is nuts. 20 pounds is nuts.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: That's nuts. That's three weight classes at least in between fights.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Like that's or in between classes or other, that's nuts.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: I just don't understand that.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you, I mean, I think that the way
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: that old sports kind of do things, they do things
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: for a reason. So like boxing and wrestling, they all
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: have like, it's every seven pounds or whatever it is.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: I know, but the UFC is like, oh, too many
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: champions that way. It's too confusing. I'm like, what are
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: you talking about? It's one UFC champion per weight class. Yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: You'd have more champions and then you could also have
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: more champion versus champion fights. Yeah, for sure. Because it
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be like, Ilya going up 10 pounds is not
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: too crazy. But Alex, when he went from 85 to 205,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: that was pretty crazy. Yeah, that's crazy. That's a big-ass jump, man. Yeah, yeah. Obviously,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: he could do it because he's one of the craziest
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: weight cutters of all time. He was fighting 85 and
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: weighing in at 226 the day of the fight. What? Really? Oh, yeah.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: When he fought Adesanya, he was 226 when he got
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: into the cage.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Is that 41 pounds or 31 pounds? 41 pounds. So
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: after 36 hours he put on that?
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: 41 pounds. Holy shit, dude. Holy shit, dude. That's crazy.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: But he's also a giant. He's an enormous guy. He's
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: like a lot of body mass. Yeah. And apparently it's
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: easier to cut weight like Yoel Romero style, like when
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: you're that muscular. Mm-hmm. most of the muscles water, which
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: is kind of counterintuitive. You think like a fat guy,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: you could be able to lose more weight. But no,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: it's actually to dry out, the big muscular guys can
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: lose more weight.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I have a theory too, like the
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: more ripped you are, the easier it is to sweat too.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Because if your muscle is like muscle, then fat, then skin,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: and you got to like, it's got to travel through
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: the fat. This is how I fucking think. There's probably,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: there's no evidence of any of that. Because there are
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: some fatsos that sweat.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, I can just see who's going to
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: be a good sweater and who's not. But that's probably
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: me just being. Yeah, I don't know if there's any
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: science to that. Makes sense in your head, though.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: Kind of.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Makes sense in your head.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: I kind of see what you're saying. I kind of
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: see what you're saying.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: But you could also, I guess, make an argument that
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: fat makes you warmer too. Maybe that sweats it out too.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that there would be a problem
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: with doing multiple weight classes because then you would just
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: have like what you do in boxing where you just
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: have like a ton of– you have like one dude
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: with like eight belts.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Right. That would be cool. Like look at Pacquiao. Yeah.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: He just keeps going up in weight classes. Yeah. I
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: think that it would just be better for the athletes
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: and I think it would be better for the sport
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: in general. You're still going to have like incredible fights
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: because– The level of competition, particularly at the lowest weight classes,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: is so high right now. I think your weight class, featherweight,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: and lightweight are the most competitive weight classes in the sport.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: And there's almost too many top contenders where guys are
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: forced to take fights that maybe you really shouldn't take
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: that fight because you're kind of in title contention and then, oh,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: you lose a close decision. Fuck, now you're back to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: the drawing board. Now you've got to fight this guy. Oh,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: you got injured in camp. Fuck, you lose to that
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: guy too. Now you're set back when you could have
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: been A champion. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of, like,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: weirdness going on with possibilities and, you know, just luck,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: bad luck, and good luck.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Bad luck and good luck. Timing, I think, is a
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: big thing. Like, I think that I'm pretty... I was
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: even saying this before the Figueredo fight.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: I was like, watch.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: Like, if I go out and finish Figgy, which not
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are able to do, the timing
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: of everything is going to be perfect for me because
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: there will be no one else.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: And that's me also... you know, coming off of a
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: loss from Umar just a year ago, which anytime you lose,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: it's kind of devastating. You're like, oh, it'll never happen
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: for me, you know? But then it's like, oh, wait, no.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: If I just, if this thing gets timed out right,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: you know, like it could work out. So a lot
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: of this shit is timing.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: You lost, though, but it was a competitive close fight. Yeah,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: I fucked that one up.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: What did you think went wrong?
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: More than anything, okay, it was like a, it's never
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: just one thing. It's always like things get compiled and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: then they exponentially get worse. One big thing was I
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: knew I was fighting in the Middle East and I
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to get a nod if it was a
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: close fight. And Umar's a defensive guy and I'm a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: defensive guy. And I knew that there was potential for
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: rounds to be really close. My game plan wasn't going
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: to be to take him down. So anytime you're going
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: to be like, hey, I'm committing to striking, there is
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a level of rolling the dice
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: because one, striking matches in a five-minute round are really
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: hard to... hammer down and be like, I won this
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: round against really high level guys. That's my opinion. I
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: thought that I would be able to stuff most of
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: the shots. I was like, okay, most of this thing
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: is going to be done striking. I need to have
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: big moments in order for me to feel like I'm
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: really winning these rounds so that there can be no
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: argument that I'm losing. And if we just are point
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: scoring each other, which Umar is good at and I'm
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: good at, I'm kind of rolling the dice a little
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: bit and kind of leaving it into the hands of
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: God knows who the judges are. So A piece of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: it was I didn't want to lose another close split decision.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of my losses or a couple of
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: my losses are just close split decisions. And I'm like,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: fucking man, I'm not, I'd rather just go for it
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: than lose, you know? But that pulled me out of
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: my game plan. And just the way that I typically fight,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: like I'm not the guy that hunts for knockouts, you know,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just not that guy. And so I just got
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: pulled out of my strategy. I got really frustrated in
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: the fight by it not working, like me not being
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: able to have really big moments. And now looking back,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, what were you thinking? Just go
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: out and fight like how you do, and you'll do awesome.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: What do you think specifically you would have done different
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: in exchanges?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I would have fought him the exact same way that
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: I would have fought the first round. That entire fight,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I was being really defensive and just looking for one
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: big shot. In the first round, I didn't fight like that.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: The first round, I was cool with point scoring. I
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, this guy's going to wrestle me. Let's
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: see how good he is at wrestling and if I
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: can hang. Once I was like, oh, okay, cool, I
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: can hang. Then I just started going for big shots,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: which is just not a good way to beat a
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: really high-level guy. It's kind of a lazy game plan, honestly.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: If the plan isn't to completely outclass the person and
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: win in every area and be good enough to do so,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, that's just not an expression of the
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: highest level of martial arts. That's a little bit lazy.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: I was a little bit lazy in maybe my approach to...
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Which maybe lazy isn't the right word, but I could
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: have done a lot better at just trusting myself more,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: being more confident in my ability to just be like, no,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I'll beat him everywhere.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: Looking for the big shots is always such a trap.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: I know. Until it's not.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: Until it's not. And you look real cool when it happens.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: And we all like looking cool.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you land the big ones, and you've landed a
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: lot of the big ones.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: You've had so many of those moments, like the Frankie
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Edgar fight, or there's been quite the Marlon Marais fight.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: That was a wild one.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: That was a great one. That was probably like my
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: happiest moment maybe ever in life. Just because I had
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: just come off the most embarrassing loss ever against Sterling.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: And they were like, hey, you want to fight the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: number one guy in Abu Dhabi during COVID? And I
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: was like, and that was like kind of back when
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Marlon was still a really scary guy. He's kind of
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: been on a skid since then. But back then he
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: was real scary.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: And I was like.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are setting me up
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: for Marlon to knock me the fuck out or what
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: the thinking behind me fighting the number one contender is.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: But I was like, yeah, cool. If you guys are
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: going to give me that shot, I'll take it for sure.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: And then when I finished it, I was just.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Like, yes. And you finished it with a wheel kick.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which I, during COVID, was practicing in my basement
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: with my wife every day. Isn't that stupid? I was like, man,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: you should have asked me for a cut.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: No, because it's a thing where if you... you don't
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: expect it from a guy who doesn't really throw a lot.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: You know? And so like you see his foot turn
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: and you're like, what's going on here? And before you
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: know it, it's too late. Yeah. And that heel is
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: headed towards your dome. Yeah.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: People that are good at those too. Um, it's a problem.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: Like that doesn't need to land anywhere specific for it
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: to like rattle your brain enough to knock you down.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. It is. So much power. Yeah.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: If there was one thing I, I would not want
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: to get hit with, it would be that.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: My, uh, during my Taekwondo days, uh, I used to
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: feel like I was always going to be fine. Like
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: I'd be, I was like, I felt like, you know,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: I was young. I was 19. I felt invulnerable and
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: I was really good. And I fought in the nationals
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: in California and I hit this kid with a wheel
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: kick and he never got up and he was snoring.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Like out face plant, out cold, taken over in a stretcher,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: taken to the hospital. And I never felt the same
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: about fighting again. Because I was always scared that that
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: could happen to me then. Because I was, like, doing
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: this for nothing. There was no money. I was doing
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: this for nothing. I had no health insurance. I was poor.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: And I was like, what am I doing? Like, this is, like,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: I could have easily got hit by that same kick.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: But I was better than him. And I landed. But
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: there's guys that are better than me. And if they
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: hit me like that, face down, snow, I mean, it was,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: my heel hurt for decades. I was limping the next day.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: My knee hurt after the Frankie fight.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? Yeah. God, that was such a good knee, though. Yeah,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: it was.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I kind of felt a similar way where,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess you kind of just get
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: used to that where you're just like.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: But you're a professional. That's your sport. That's your living.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: This is what you do. For me, I was a
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: young kid doing this thing that I was really good at,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: and it just gave me some sense of purpose. And
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: then I was like, what the fuck, man?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: So you didn't have big aspiring dreams to be a
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: Taekwondo champ or anything?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: I had dreams to be an Olympic, to go to
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: the Olympics.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Was that like a realistic dream?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: Yes. You were that good? Yeah, I was that good.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: I had won national tournaments, and I had beaten guys
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: that had been in high ranking. And I had a
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: very close decision. I thought I should have won. the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: year that Taekwondo made it into the Olympics against the
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: national champion. Cool. So I was good. And I was
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: really young, so I was getting better all the time. Yeah.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: But then I started kickboxing. And when I started training
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: in kickboxing, I realized that Taekwondo was kind of bullshit
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: because my hands sucked and I would spar with kickboxers
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: and I was getting cornered in the ropes and I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: didn't have the skills. And I was like, oh, this
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: is like, I have this distorted perception of my ability
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: to fight based on my ability to fight in Taekwondo. Sure.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: I was really good at that. But then when I
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: started boxing and kickboxing, I was like, this is like
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: that piece that's missing in Taekwondo without the face punching,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: it nullifies so much of what Taekwondo is good at. Yeah.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: But then when I learned that stuff, I realized like, oh,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: but I have a massive advantage with my legs because
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: they have to close the distance with me and I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: can do things they can't do. Like regular kickboxers, I
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: was amazed at how many of them were just kind of,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: who learned a few shitty kicks and they would stand
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: on the outside and they would take a step forward
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: and I'd just blast them and they just had no
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: idea what to do, like a really hard kicker. And
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: then I started doing Muay Thai and I was like fuck,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: leg kicks. And so I went from American kickboxing above
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: the waist to Muay Thai. I was like, there's too
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: much to learn. And then I was doing comedy at
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: the same time, so I just quit fighting. I was like,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: I got to get out before I get hurt.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: When did you start grappling?
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: When I was 30. yeah I started grappling right at
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I guess I was 29 it was right after the
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: first UFC did you like wrestle at all or anything
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: yeah I wrestled in high school but only one year
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: because I was doing Taekwondo at the same time and
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: I had to pick one and I did a year
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: of both and then I was like the problem with
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: this is like I'd rather kick someone and knock them
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: unconscious like that's it was so to just whack and
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: hear the whole crowd go silent was the wildest thing
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: and watch someone cry I fucking loved it it was
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: my Favorite thing in life and I was like wrestling
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: is cool. Like it's good to know it's good to
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: be able to pin people But there was no UFC
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: back then so it's like everything you were doing was
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: just like you You don't find a thing and get
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: really good at it but the disillusionment of going from
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Taekwondo to boxing and kickboxing and then to Muay Thai
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: and Then jujitsu. So when I started doing jujitsu, I
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I'm fucking completely helpless So
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: I had this thing in my head. Well, at least
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: I know I know how to leg kick. I know
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: how to box now and I know how to fight.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, I'm tapping out constantly. And so then
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: I was like, fuck, I got to learn how to
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: do jujitsu. But it was this thing where, you know,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: I feel real fortunate to have grown up in a
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: time where no one knew what was the best style
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: and then see the UFC emerge in 93 and then
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: watch this incredible transformation of martial arts where martial arts
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: advances more in 10, 20 years than it had the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: last 30,000 years. It was incredible to watch. Yeah.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad that they did it, man, because that's
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: such a cool question is whose martial arts is the
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: best martial arts.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: No one knew, man. And we were all delusional. I
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: was so delusional. Like, I remember I used to do
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Taekwondo with a friend of mine. We were kickboxing at
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: the time, and we were doing it at this gym
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: where these judo guys were. And I was like, look
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: at these idiots with this stupid judo. That's useless. Meanwhile,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: I had no idea. If those guys got a hold
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: of me, I was fucking helpless.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because judo guys will slam you on your head.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: Dude, rolling with judo guys. I remember I rolled with
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Carl Parisian once. I was like, he's like a chimpanzee.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: He was so strong. It didn't make any sense. We
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: were roughly the same size. And he just ragdolled me around.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, there's something to throwing bodies all the time.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: You know, you're taking, if you're a 180-pound guy, you're
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: throwing a 180-pound person over and over and over again.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: And your whole core is just fucking primed for that. Boom. Yeah.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: And their balance and their ability to adjust your weight
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: and use it against you.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: Watching it in the Olympics is awesome. Because they'll, like,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: spear their own heads.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That's crazy. That is crazy.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: I like watching that shit. That's like, oh, my God.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Yeah.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, you'd have to, dude. Yeah. Like the way that
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: they land on, yeah.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: So many of those guys, like you see them later
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: in their career, they got like one small arm because
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: their fucking nerves are all shut off in their neck
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: and fused discs. And they're just like, I did a
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: good job. I had a fucking great career. You can't
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: even walk, man. It's nuts.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Every Taekwondo guy I know has like one super strong oblique.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: And they're like shaped like this.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Well, you got to learn how to kick from both sides.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: That's so important. that's one thing that I really admire
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: about your style. Cause I think that there's, there's going
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: to be a time where that is just ubiquitous where
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: everybody switches because there's so many guys that are just like, Oh,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: he's a Southpaw. Oh, he fights Orthodox. Like, man, that's
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: just leaving too much to predictability. Yeah.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: I think about striking like a dance, dance revolution game where, uh, like, uh,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: cause you're making all the reads with your eyes. It's
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: like left arms coming at me, move like right leg, whatever.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: It's not like grappling where grappling, we get to interact
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: with each other and feel each other and move each
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: other that way. And I can pretty much sometimes do
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: it with my eyes closed.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: Striking is done mostly with our eyes. So we have
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: to do like these dance dance revolutioning, like, okay, react
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: to everything that we're seeing. So if I'm just switching
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: my stance and now you have to like read the
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: sentence backwards.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: It gets really hard, you know, and.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Especially if you're just as good with both sides. Yes. Yes.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: And I would say that if you're starting, you don't
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: need to be, like, super stellar at both, but just
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: have a couple good attacks to do from your other
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: stance and then just, like, build off of there or whatever.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: I started switching stances, one, because I really liked watching
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Nenito Diner, who wouldn't, like, fully switch, but he would have, like,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: kind of steps like that where I was like, oh, cool.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: And then also I dislocated my elbow really bad about, like,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: a week and a half into training, just landed on it, posted,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: dislocated it. And so I could only, or that was
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: my left arm. So I could only use my right arm.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: So for like six months, I just went lefty and
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: only used my right arm, um, as like my lead hand.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: And that's how I got really good at it.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Just forcing yourself to just constantly be in that
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: position because everybody wants to be in the position where
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: they're the most strong, especially if you're trying to be
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: competitive and sparring. Right. That's like, it's what's so important
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: about like the Gracie's always talk about keeping things playful.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Like learning how to like not, don't try to win.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: You're trying to develop your skills and to be able
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: to switch. I think like TJ in his prime, like
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: when TJ fought Hennon Burrell, that fight to me was
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: one of the best championship performances that I ever saw.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: I agree. Because nobody thought TJ was going to win
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: that fight. Hennon Burrell was thought to be the number
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: one pound for, it was him and Aldo would make
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: the argument of who's the best. Hennenborough was, I think
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: he was undefeated or maybe had one loss early in
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: his career.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: He was an animal at the time.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Animal.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Animal.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: And TJ pieced him up. And it was like he
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: was sparring. He looked so in the zone and relaxed.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: And he was constantly switching stances and footwork and angles. Yeah.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Dwayne flew me out for that fight because that's when
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: they were training at Alpha Male to be TJ's sparring
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: partner for one of those fights. I'm almost positive it
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: was that one. And I remember the whole time I
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: was like, this isn't going to go good for TJ,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: you know, because Burrell was just that guy at the
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: time that everyone was afraid of. And then when I
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: watched it, I was like, oh shit, that shit really
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: works good. I, uh, I used to train in the
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: Netherlands a little bit too with Andy Sauer and those guys.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: Oh really? Yeah.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: So that was really cool. But there's, it's like traditional,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: like you stand in one stance, like this is how
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: we do shit here, you know? And I was like
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: switching stances. I was probably like the, the gay guy
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: at the gym a little bit, you know, like being
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: kind of flamboyant and like show offy. And so I
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: remember going with some of Sauer's good guys and just
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: good guys that we would spar with. And I wouldn't
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: really get hit that much. And I was like, oh, shit, this, like,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: actually works. Like, this isn't just some, like, foo-foo whatever stuff,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: It's crazy that Dwayne developed that style, but he didn't
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: fight that way. Yeah. That's what's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Like
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: Dwayne had like more of a traditional, you know, he's
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: boss rooting inspired style. And then he realizes like, you know,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: the best way to fight is actually to constantly be changing.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: And then he develops this system and, you know, Dwayne's, like,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: super focused. I know you know this, but for people
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: who don't know, Dwayne has, like, a notebook, like, fucking
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: just filled with notes, and it's all, like, he's got systems.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: This is his life. Yeah, it's not, like, what Adesanya
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: likes to call button smashing when you're playing a game. Like, no,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: it's very systematic. And TJ, I think, in that Hennenborough fight,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: was the greatest expression of what Dwayne teaches. Yep, yep.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a super amazing fight. Yeah, just switching,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, just simple little stuff, you know, like... It's
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of striking is just like how coordinated you are.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: Like that's like a big piece of striking. And then
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: can I just overwhelm you with information? Like that's like
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: a strategy to run. You know, some people choose like, OK,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: I'm willing to take a few to like land my
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: big one. You know, that's like an OK strategy. It
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: works for guys like Elia and stuff.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: But Ilya's not that easy to hit.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: That's true, too. He has a way, way good guard.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: He rolls with stuff, like the Josh Emmett fight. He
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: slides away from stuff, and these big bombs are coming
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: his way.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: He's doing the highest form. Intellectually, he's doing that style
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: at its highest expression with the strategy of, I'm about
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: to knock you the fuck out, which shouldn't be everyone's strategy.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Well, you have to have that touch of death.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, too.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: And he's got that. God-given power. His power is fucking crazy, man.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: It is crazy. Trevor's actually helped me understand why it
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: works really good. So, okay, so not to get crazy
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: technical with it, I guess. Let's get technical. Let's get
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: in there. All right, cool. So squared and bladed stances.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: When you're in a squared stance, you can move really
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: good left to right. That was most of my career
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: was being like, I came from a basketball background. I
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: know that I'm very quick and agile and I can
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: move left, right really good. If I just keep my
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: hands up, whatever, it'll be fine probably. So a lot
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: of squared stance stuff is I'm just going to cut left, right,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: overwhelm this person with all of my weapons and angles
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: and always constantly make them move off of the things
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: I'm doing and not the other way around. That's good,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: but it's really hard to... uh, like get a ton
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: of leverage in anything that you're doing when you're standing square.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: Like I can't, like if I'm going to throw a ball,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: I don't throw a ball like this.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: I throw a ball like this.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: Right. You have your shoulder behind the other shoulder. Yeah.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Um, so squared stance is super good for being agile,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: moving left, right, and overwhelming people with the amount of
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: attacks that you could throw at them. Because also if
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: I'm standing square, all of my weapons are really available
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: for me to throw. Like it doesn't take like, this
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: is faster than than this, just because it's like six
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: inches closer or whatever. In a bladed stance, you get
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: a fuckload of leverage because if you watch Ilya, he's
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: always standing like he's about to throw a javelin. And
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: that's pretty much what he's doing is just like, and
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: this is kind of like the science of boxing a
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: little bit, like I said, that Trevor helped me with.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: So I'm a lot more bladed now than I was
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: because now we're trying to get like some serious leverage
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: on stuff because five round fights, moving the entire time,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: fighting these really good wrestlers, it can get to the
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: point where it's like, it just gets quirky and just
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: like a little bitchy looking, you know? And like, I
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: don't really want to like tap people to victory, you know?
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: For a long time, I would compensate in being like,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: all right, but I'll have wheel kicks, knees, and elbows.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: And that like took me a decent amount of ways too,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: where it's like, cool, now I can finish guys like
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: that also. But these bladed stances where you can make
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: a shitload of leverage with them are really cool. I
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: think finding a balance between the two is really awesome.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: Ilya is like only, and that's just my expression of
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: my martial arts. I want to be like the jack
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: of all trades guys and be able to be like, oh,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: you're that style. I'll just archetype you in this style.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: But Ilya is like always ready to throw javelin and
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: he's really good at closing space with his lead leg.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Like he'll like jab, hook, and really creep his lead
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: leg near and then just bomb a right hand because
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: he is a shorter guy, but he never seems like,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: He's having that much of an issue getting super inside.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Well, it's going to be interesting seeing him at 55.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: That will be interesting. Because these are much bigger guys. Like,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: think about Mauricio Rufi.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: He's a 55er. And he moves good and has leverage.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: And he's fucking gigantic. How tall is Rufi? I mean,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: he's got to be 6'1, maybe 6'2, and he's 55,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: and he's not thin. I mean, he's lean, but he's not, like, scrawny.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: He's got muscle. He's fucking huge for 55. There's some 55.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: And Ilya, as powerful as he is, he's not that big.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: And it's going to be interesting to see because of
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: this 10 pound. 10 pounds is just like it's a
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: lot of weight, man. You know, it's like. When you're
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: dealing with a 155-pound person, it's a significant percentage of
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: your body weight.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Especially when everyone's cutting like 30 pounds.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know what roof he cuts, but when I
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: see him walking around, he looks like he's 190 pounds. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: You know, like Islam. Islam's fucking huge. Yeah. He's big, dude.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: When I interview him in the cage afterwards, I'm always like, How? Really?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: How are you 155? Yeah.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: How?
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: How?
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: He's thick as fuck. He's got a giant back. Yeah.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: And when he gets a hold of guys, it's like
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: he's just got this leverage, this grappling squeeze that it's–
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: I remember when he fought Drew Dober. And like when
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: he got Dober down to the ground, I was like,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: that's a wrap. Yeah. It's a wrap. As soon as
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: he gets on top and then he starts clamping down
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: and squeezing. And guys are just like, Oliveira was tapping.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Like the moment it was on, he was like, fuck this. Yeah.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: A lot of those really good grappler guys, they're strong definitely,
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: but they're really strong at closing up all of the space.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Like I can, if you let me get an underhook,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: like I can feel pretty strong. Like even if you're
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: much bigger than me, I'll like make you take a
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: couple steps back, which really shouldn't happen. But if I
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: just close up all of the space, which I think
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: is a big component of being a really good grappler
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: is being able to be like, nope, that's my space.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: You don't get that this, you know, and you're not
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: going to get inside of mine. I can feel strong
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: as fuck, you know? And yeah, those types of guys,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: they're just so used to being so compact and never
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: letting anyone get inside their arms or wherever it is
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: that they need to get that it's just, it's like
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: impossible to feel like you can move them. I feel
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: like there's two types of being strong in grappling. There's
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: being strong in like, I don't let you move me.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: And then there's strong in I get to move you
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: really good and the good, good guys get to do both.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Like if I can grab you and move you really easy,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: I'll feel really strong. If you grab me and I
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: feel like a rock, I'll feel really strong. And I
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: think that some people do both of those really well
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: and then some people do one or the other really well.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: But those types of guys like the Islam's they do
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: both really good.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's also his striking has leveled up significantly
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: I guess striking is much much better than it was
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: when he's younger was he's just he's a threat everywhere
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: Like when he knocked out Volk with that high kick.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah Crazy, but granted if I was in Volk's corner,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: I would say no you're not taking it You've been
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: fucking drinking beer and eating kebabs. Like there's no way
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: you're taking this fight on ten days notice and I
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: don't care how confident you are. I don't care how
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: much you like fighting. That's a crazy thing. I don't
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: care how much money they're paying you. Because you look
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: at the slide that his career took, right? He arguably
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: won that first fight with Islam. Very close fight. Loses
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: the decision. Or was it a draw? It was a decision.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: Shit, was it a draw? That's actually a good question.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: I think he lost. I think he lost.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: I think he lost too. Yeah. Either way, Islam keeps
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: the title. Was it a draw? Why do I think
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: it was a draw?
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe one judge had it a draw.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe it was something like that. So super close fight
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: with the pound for pound best fighter in the world,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: 10 pounds up. Everybody's like, Volk might be the best
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: pound for pound fighter in the world. And then he
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: takes that fight on 10 days notice, gets head kicked.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: And then he comes into the fight with Teporia, what,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: four months later or something like that? Compromised, clearly. You
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: got head kicked, shin to the dome, stopped, unconscious. And
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: then you've got to fight the scariest fucking boxer in
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: the division and you get knocked out. So then this
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: big slide. And then he comes back full year off,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: and you see, against Diego Lopez, looks like the Volk
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: of old. Looks like he's back. Well, I would have
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: liked to have seen that Volk versus Ilya. That would
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: have been an exciting fight. First one was a decision,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: second one was a... Yeah, KO. Okay, so it was
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: a decision. Yeah.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the casuals like to exist in
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: a world where, oh, no, if you're a better fighter,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: then you're just a better fighter. But it's like, no, man, like,
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: If I have three months to train versus two weeks
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: to train.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Big difference.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: That's giant difference. Giant difference. I don't do zins. This
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: isn't a zin.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: I just don't want. It's like I just started taking them.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: They're like they have 50 milligrams of caffeine in them.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: They're called NZEs.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I've taken those. Those are good. Yeah. I
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: like those. I like those. They're brain stimulants. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: I got one that I bought called Alpha. That's pretty good.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: Although I did kind of get a little annoyed that
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: they ripped off Alpha brain. It's you know, I like
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: these these are great to these gummies these alpha brain
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: gummies are fucking awesome.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't do caffeine anymore. That's one thing that
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: I stopped. Well, I do like this amount of caffeine
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: I do like 50 grams of that just 50. Okay,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: it's like a small cup of coffee. Yeah, you know,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: it's crazy is so I didn't drink like a lot
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: of caffeine or whatever I would drink like a coffee
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: in the morning like normal people but dude what I
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: learned is cuz once I stopped I I immediately had way,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: way more energy. Or maybe not immediately, but like 10 days,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: 2 weeks afterwards. And you know what I looked up, bro?
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Is that I already have like low iron. But I noticed,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: or I looked up, coffee gets in the way of
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: iron absorption.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah. You have low iron. Do you eat red meat?
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I eat a lot. It's like a genetic thing.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: My mom has super low iron. I think it's like
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: a ginger thing. I got like a fucking... Yeah, we're
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: just born.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: Caffeine can inhibit iron absorption primarily due to the presence
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: of tannins and other polyphenols in coffee.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: Dude, I swear this has changed me big time. So
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: now I do the mud water stuff where I drink
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: all the mud water. I like matcha still, so I'll
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: still do like 50 milligrams in the morning. But dude,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: the coffee, I stopped and I immediately started feeling way better.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: And I don't know how many people don't know this,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: but this is a thing, bro.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: I'm a coffee junkie.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: I have a real problem.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: It tastes good. I still drink decaf sometimes because I
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: really like the taste of it.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: I take days off of these things. What are those?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: These are Breakers, Lucy's. These are nicotine. I like them
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: when I do podcasts. I like them before I do stand-up.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: But I take days off because I was like, boy,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: am I addicted to these things. I'm fucking sucking on
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: these things all day long. But I took a couple
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: days off. I'm like, no, I feel fine. I feel fine.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: But I've taken days off coffee. And I'm like, brr. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: It takes like a week or so.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: I'm fucking falling asleep in the morning. Just like, urgh. Yeah.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: I honestly don't think everyone would have the same experience
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: I did. I think it's because of the iron thing.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: That makes a lot of sense, man.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Drinking coffee and other caffeinated beverages with a meal associated
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: with 39 to 90% reduction in iron absorption. Dude, it
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: was great. Yeah.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: And so I, so this, so bro, this is how
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: I found out. It wasn't like I was seeking this.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: It was, I take a iron supplement in the morning
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: usually because I have a little bit of low iron
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: and When I stopped drinking coffee, one of the signs
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: that you're taking too much iron is that you'll get
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: like an iron metallic taste in your mouth. And so
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: about two weeks afterwards or whenever, I started tasting that
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: taste in my mouth and I looked it up and
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: that's what it was. So I stopped taking the iron
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: supplement because I was actually absorbing the iron from my
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: food and shit.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: That is crazy. Fuck, I might have to try it. Yeah.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: It was kind of rough though.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I bet. Yeah, it was rough.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: It was, like, I quit everything at that time just
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: because I was, like, getting, like, my body was getting anxious.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: My mind is pretty much, like, stupid the whole time
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: to life, but my body will get really, I'll just, like,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: notice different shit. I'll just, like, be more tired or
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: anxious or whatever, you know?
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: Well, you're so in tune. Yeah. You know, a fighter
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: is probably, out of all the professional sports, I think
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: a fighter probably is the most in tune with their body. Probably.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: Because there's so, like, the consequences of not being in
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: tune are so grave like this it's so different than
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: any other sport.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: Definitely there's a lot of ways to get hurt and
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: we have to watch what we actually eat most sports
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: you don't really have to do that it's just right
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: um like we're super like food the relationship with food
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: for a fighter is way way different than i think
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: almost everyone else on the.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: Planet i know Adesanya never cared about his nutrition. Never
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: took care of it until he got older. And then
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: he got older, he realized, hey, I've got to really
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: fucking do everything.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: I know, dude. I used to be able to just
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: down a Chipotle burrito with all the hot sauce on
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: it and then just train afterwards like it was nothing.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: Now I can't do that, which kind of sucks.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's also youth. God, to be young. When you're
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: really young, you can get away with anything. You really can, dude.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: I used to just be hungover, rolling in, and just
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: fighting hard as fuck.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: It's crazy how much you can get away with when
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: you're young. But it's like, the other thing is like,
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: hard training for long, prolonged periods, years and years and years,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: you get all these little micro injuries, those little things,
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: things start slowing down. You're just demanding so much of
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: your body. If you're not taking care of your nutrition,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: it's like, Are you serious about this or not? I know. Like,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: what are you doing? You were fucking six hours in
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: the gym and then you're eating pizza. That's crazy.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: I see people fuck up their weight cuts all the
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: time just because after they cut weight, they want to
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: eat like an asshole.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, what are you doing, dude?
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: You literally did for eight weeks. You were the most
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: disciplined person in the world. And now you're eating cake
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: the night before the fight.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: You're an idiot. So dumb. Yeah. So dumb to eat
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: cake the night before a fight. It's so crazy. Ilya famously,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: you said he only did it twice, but he was.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: And they made it seem like in the countdown shows
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: that he did it a lot. He would drink wine
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: while he was weight cutting. Yeah.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: The whole time I was watching that, I was like,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: he doesn't do that every time. You were right. I
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: was like, come on, this is like media stuff.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: It was media stuff.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: I was like, you're not convincing me that he does that.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: He did it twice, he said. But I was like,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: what am I doing?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: Sounds fun. Bet you got drunk as shit off of
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: one glass of wine, which is probably pretty awesome. And
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: you were probably, it probably tasted so good too, being
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: that dehydrated.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: And then you're dehydrating yourself more because of the wine.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: So it probably aids a little bit in the water
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: cut because it does dehydrate you.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: But then that hangover when you got no water in
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: your body.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't fuck with hangovers anymore, dude. That's why
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: I stopped drinking.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: I stopped drinking, I guess it's like close to four
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: months ago. And I used to have days. Where I
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: would get, you know, I'd work at the club, do
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: stand up, have a couple of drinks. And the next
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: day I'd be working out going, oh, what did I feel?
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: But I was like, that's just life. Just deal with it.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: Drink your electrolytes, get through it. I have no days
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: like that now. That's nuts. Like even if like last
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: night I only had like five hours sleep, but I
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: worked out this morning. I feel fucking great. Like all
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: the bad days have gone away. It's kind of like,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you moron. Yeah, I know. You're poisoning yourself
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: for decades. That's how I feel too. I'm like.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: So now I'll still go out and, like, do social
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: shit and just not drink. And I'm like, this is
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: just as fun, you idiot.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: I was like, you could have just been doing this
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: the whole time.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: I know. That's the thing is, like, I thought you
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: missed it. Like, I remember Boss Rootin telling me that.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: I quit drinking and not just as much fun. I'm like, right.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: Just as much fun. Yeah. But it's true. It's like
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: you're having fun because you're with fun people. Yeah. And
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: you're just having laughs. You don't have to be drunk
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: to have fun.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: Unless you were me in college.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah?
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: A little bit. I think a big piece of me
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: thinking drinking was fun is because I would just do
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: really stupid, crazy shit, and so would my friends. And
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: then we'd just talk about it the next day, like, hey,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: that was so stupid and crazy, you know? But now
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: that I don't do any of that stuff, I'm like,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: this isn't fun anymore.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And as a professional athlete, too, you realize, like,
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: this is just not good for you. Yeah. Yeah. It's
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: punishing yourself.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, at this age, unfortunately. They told me my whole
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: life it was going to happen, and now it's happening.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just becoming wiser, too. You know, that's why, like,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: when you see that John Jones thing, I'm sure you
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: saw the police cam. Did you see that?
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: I did recently. I didn't know if it was old
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: or what.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: No, it's a new one.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: Like this week?
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, that sucks. It's a new one. He's drunk
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: on the phone talking to the cops, and you're like, oh, no.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know the details of it. Was he
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: driving the car?
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Who knows? The girl in the car said he was driving.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: The car was wrecked and John was gone. And she
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: ratted him out. John Jones did it. And then John's
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: on the phone with the cops and apparently allegedly threatened
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: the cops when he was on the phone, which is
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: not good. Yeah, not good. And he's already got a
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: history of running from accidents. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: I hope he gets whatever that is. I hope that
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: he figures it out.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: You know? Yeah, I hope so, too. But, you know.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: It is what it is. Yeah, some people... There's nothing... Yeah.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: They like riding the lightning, bro.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: He liked riding that lightning. Yeah. And I think that's
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: one of the things that made him so good, too,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: because he was so wild. He was just a wild dude. Yeah.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: And he just genuinely didn't give a fuck and really
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: had this ultimate confidence.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: And so skillful and so smart. But eventually, you know,
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: one more... One more drink, then like that, that, that, that,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: and then your body's just like not what it used
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: to be. Yeah. And Aspinol... is a fucking beast, man. Yeah.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of questions, never been out
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: of the first round, a lot of questions, but never
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: been out of the first round because he fucks everybody
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: up in the first round. Like, that's a factor.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really wanted to see that fight, but also
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: at the same time, I kind of, I appreciate it.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: I forget which interview it was recently, but John was
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: pretty honest in it. He was like, look, man, like,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: I don't want to fight up and coming tough guys.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: He was like, I want to fight guys with seasoned
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: champions that have names. And I was like, that could
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: also be interpreted as you don't really want to fight
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: kind of the best guys that there are right now.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: You want to fight like a certain category of fighter
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: who you're comfortable fighting, but you don't want to fight
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: the guys that are tough and that are saying that
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: you're going to win. And that's okay, but that's essentially
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: how I interpreted what he was saying in different words,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: which I appreciated the honesty.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: Well, it's also money fights, right? Yeah. Because I think
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: he's wrong because I think Aspinall's a star. I really do.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: And I think he's saying, who is he? He's no one.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: Aspinall's a star. When I get, when people ask questions
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: to me all the time, like casuals on the street,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: is Jon Jones going to fight Tom Aspinall? It's constant.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: That's like the constant question. To me, the real fight
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: would have been Jon Jones versus Francis. That's the real fight.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 2: If I, like, clearly I'm not responsible for making decisions
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: because I would have made a lot of different decisions
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: and I would have like, Francis let's let's talk. Let's
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: work this out. That guy's a star Francis is the
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: fucking scariest heavyweight of all time Yeah, that's a star.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: You know like that guy as the heavyweight champion is
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: so fucking marketable He puts people into orbit. Yeah, you
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: know he flatline steep a he flatlined Alistair. He flatlines
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: people He's fucking terrifying like that's the heavyweight champion and
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: for that guy to walk away from the belt and
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: And then almost beat Tyson Fury. And then get knocked
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: out by Anthony Joshua. And then to come back and
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: destroy that dude in PFL. What's his name again? That big,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: tall Brazilian dude that he ground and pounded into unconsciousness. Ferreira.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: That guy's. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: That guy was.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: The really jacked guy.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And he's the guy that KO'd Ryan Bader in
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: the first round. He looks phenomenal. He's terrifying. And Francis
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: just destroyed him. I'm like, that's the guy. That's the guy. Like,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: and everybody knows that's the guy. Like, that's the fight that,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: that's the big fight.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: It's a shame when that shit happens in the sport, dude.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: It's the worst.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: I hate it.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: I hate it.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: I see it happen all of the time and I,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: I can't help but think a lot of it is like,
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: hopefully it's just maybe money business stuff, but I really,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: I think that some of it is ego and that's
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: kind of what I try to drift, like just drift
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: away from.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: Um, My philosophy on winning the belt has always been,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: if I can't beat whoever it is, if it's like
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: a number 10 ranked Umar, or if it's a number
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: two ranked whoever, if I can't beat that person, then
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: I don't deserve the belt. And I don't think that
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: I should get it. Like, uh, I'm, it clearly doesn't
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: represent what it represents if it doesn't mean that I
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: beat all the best guys on the way to doing so.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: Um, not everyone really has that philosophy and I get
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: it because once you start involving money and then money
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: is taking care of your family, which is what, you know,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: is kind of an excuse to be greedy sometimes for people. Uh,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: it just kind of, it's just never really been my philosophy.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: And I think that it's kind of a shame when
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: that stuff happens, because in my head, we're doing two things.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: We're seeing who the best fighter in the world is,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: and we're getting people to watch so that the fans
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: can appreciate something that I find to be the most
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: loved thing in my life next to my wife, you know? So, um,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's a shame when that
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: shit happens, especially when it's like an ego thing. But
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: also at the same time, I don't really think that
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: that's too much of what Jon Jones is doing. I'm
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: more speaking in terms of what I kind of see
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: in other people. I think Jon Jones also has to
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: have some level of awareness around Tom's a young guy
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: and we age, you know, we age and that's okay.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: Jon's not a natural heavyweight either.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: That too.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, Jon still could make 205. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Even in his heavyweight fight, he looked like a little soft.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. A little soft. And like 240 and a
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: little soft is, I mean, think about how much Pereira cuts. Right.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: He got that weight. Like he could still make 205
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: and might still be the champ at 205. Yeah. You know,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: which is kind of wild. Yeah. And Tom Aspinall ain't
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: making 205. That guy's fucking huge. Yeah. And Gano is
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: not making 205. Francis would cut to get to 265 natural. Sure.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: Which is just bananas. Yeah. He's a fucking hulking man.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: He's a scary dude.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: How do people get that big?
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: Genetics, man.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: Is that what it is?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: Genetics, yeah. I mean, that's just pure genetics.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: If I was that big, I'm playing a different game.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: sport bro playing hockey hockey or fucking baseball.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Or football but football the brain damage you get in
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: football is significantly more probably than the brain brain damage
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: you get fighting.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: You like hockey i do i like watching he's pretty
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: cool yeah i like i like hockey culture I don't
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: really understand the game because there's too much going on
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: right now. Or when it's happening, it just looks like
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: a chaotic mess sometimes to me. But I recently started
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: watching it because the dude from the Avs, I've been
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: seeing him at the gym a little bit. He's been
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: training a guy named Nathan McKinnon, who's one of the
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: better guys in the league right now. I've kind of
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: been paying a little bit of attention because me and
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: him will chat sometimes. But dude, hockey culture is cool.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: When they score... They smile and cheer for a half
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: of a second, and then they're all just like stone-cold
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: killers back again, which I really appreciate about sports because
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of sports have become like
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: all of the top players are like really superstar-y, like flamboyant-y.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: The thing about hockey is it's never been as popular
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: as football. I know. It's always been the steps on.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: It's like not quite the same. Not in the same, like,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: they don't reach the same. You have a few Gretzky's,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: you know, Bobby Orr. You have a few guys that
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: become national celebrities. But for the most part, there's not
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: like a whole ton of them that everybody, the general
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: public knows about. So because of that, they're probably a
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: little more dedicated, a little more humble, a little more
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: on the grind. They're cool.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: They're cool to me. I really like that sport.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: It's a very athletic sport, man. Yeah. The fucking amount
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: of energy. that those guys expend, the speed. They're fast.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: Constantly sprinting on ice and maneuvering and gliding around those blades.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: It's incredible to watch.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: You like any other sports?
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: I like soccer. Oh, you do? Nice. You know when
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: I really enjoyed soccer? When I went to see a
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: live match. I was like, oh. And then I was
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: talking to my friend Ed, who's one of the owners
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: of the Austin club here, and he was explaining to me, like,
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: this is the reason why it never becomes popular in America.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: They don't take commercial breaks. There's no time for a
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: commercial break. The fucking clock is always running.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, I never noticed that.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: And these guys, these guys have legs. They're like fucking
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: quarter horses. They have these fucking huge legs and they're
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: just running constantly. They're constantly sprinting. They have to be
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: in insane shape. Yeah. You know, it's like as like
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: someone who appreciates athletic performance, like this is a crazy.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: Sport, like a really demanding sport. How many miles do
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: you think they run every game?
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Probably at least four or five.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: Has to be. They're constantly running. It's like seven to
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: nine usually. Seven to nine miles every game. That's bananas.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lot.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: And they're not jogging. Yeah. They're fucking sprinting seven to
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: nine miles.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: When I did that time in the Netherlands that I
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: was talking about, I grew up playing soccer a little
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: bit too, but I only did it until people stopped
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: thinking it was cool. And then I switched sports.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, dude.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: When you're growing up, the goal is just to not
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: be called gay. And soccer didn't do that for you.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: That's so true. Just your entire existence as a kid
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: is to not be made fun of and called gay.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were a dork if you played soccer.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, when I went to the Netherlands and I
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: watched some of those kids play, I was like, oh,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: this is soccer in Europe. Because they were like 10, 11,
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: 12-year-old kids just.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Freaks, dude.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: And like crazy athletic. You could just tell that that's
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: like what they do with their entire lives. And I
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: was like, thank God I didn't choose that sport because
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: I just wouldn't be anywhere.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: Well, you'd have to go overseas.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: And then the competitiveness of the soccer over there or
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: the football, what they call it over there, is so
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: much higher than in America. It would probably be a
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: long adjustment. to reach their level.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Have you ever been to a game where there's all
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: of the SWAT people and shit because of the hooligans
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: and stuff?
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: No, I've only been to the Austin games. It's pretty chill.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: I went to one in Serbia where they had more
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: SWAT police officers than there were people in the actual stands.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: Dude, it was wild.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, dude, Serbia's more developed than this, man.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: Like people were climbing on stuff, throwing smoke bombs onto
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: the field. I was like, bro, this can't be.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: Have you seen Serbian basketball?
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're good at basketball.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: We played some clips of basketball games in Serbia. Oh, yeah?
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: And you see the crowd in Serbia. They go hard.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: I know. The cheering is like, it gives you goosebumps. Like,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: holy fuck, man. These are war-like people. And they're putting
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: that kind of fucking same energy to basketball. They're like, boy,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: when those guys come over here, everyone's fucked. And you're
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: kind of seeing that now. There's a bunch of Serbian
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: players that have made their way to the United States,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: and those guys are fucking badass.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: They're ready to fight the entire time, probably.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: They're scary, hard dudes, man. Which is really interesting to
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: see this influx of guys from Russia, Dagestan, Chechnya, some
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: of these guys that are making their way into the
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: UFC now. These are fucking hard dudes, man. You know,
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: it's really interesting. Really interesting.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool, actually. I mean, I really appreciate it. Man,
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: I think that MMA and martial arts just in general
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: is such a fantastic thing for the world. And this,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: to me, has brought so many people together, kind of. Like,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: I didn't follow, I didn't know what Dagestan was or
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: Azerbaijan was or anything like that. It was 2014, so
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: you know WKA, the organization?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: I did their national tournament. And if you win, you
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: get to go do the world tournament for them in Italy.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: So I got to do that and won. And when
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: I was out there, a lot of the competitors were
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: from all over the world. And there was a place
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: called Azerbaijan that I didn't know how to pronounce at all.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: And they were whooping guys, asses, dude, like bad, like, uh,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: spinning hook kicks, like all kinds of crazy shit. And
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, damn, I hope I don't fight one
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: of those guys. But, uh, The entire time I was like,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: the second these guys start getting into the UFC and stuff,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: they're going to wreck a lot of Americans, you know?
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: But I really like that. Just the UFC in general
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: has done a good job, in my opinion, because they're
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: really the only globalized or one of the only super
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: globalized where people from all over the world are fighting
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: each other. I don't know, man. It kind of feels
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: like it brings everyone together, or at least for me.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like I could walk into another country and
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: have something super in common with someone, which is just
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: a cool feeling.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: I think another thing that's really cool about it is
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: when someone is elite, no one cares what country they're from.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: They just love that guy. It's like if Adesanya gets
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: in there, no one cares he's from New Zealand. Everybody
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: gets pumped. If Pereira gets in there. It's Alex Pereira's fighting.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: You don't say the USA. No, they just fucking psyched
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: to see Alex Pereira. Yeah. You know, so it's it's
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: it's really great in that regard that you can become
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: a true international superstar and you're embraced essentially by all
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: the nations.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: Definitely by America. I think that that's a big American
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: culture thing, too.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: Like we don't really care where people are from.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: Think about the Russians that are over here. They don't.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: No one cares. No one's like, oh, Russians, fuck you.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: They're like, oh, that guy's badass.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it'd be the same in those other countries.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I bet not.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: Russia definitely doesn't think I'm as cool as... I think
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: they're cool.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: If I went over to Russia, I'd be like fucking
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: super worried they'd poison my food. You know, like some
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: crazy Russian, like, fuck him, fuck this guy, you know,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: and fucking throw something in your tea. Who knows? You know,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: like they're fucking, they're hardcore. Yeah. America embraces, but we're
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: a melting pot, right? That's the difference between this country
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: and all the other countries is that we are consistent
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: entirely of immigrants. At one point in time, everyone, unless
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: you're a Native American, everyone was an immigrant. Yeah. So
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: it's like we kind of accept that people come from
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: different parts of the world. Yeah.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: About 300 years ago, we were all like, let's go
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: to this party.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: Fucking party over there, man. We could do whatever we
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: want over there. We don't got to do all this
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: bullshit that we got going on here.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: It's kind of nutty in that regard. And, you know, boy,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: it's worked out. Yeah. In a lot of ways. Yeah.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not really like a... I try not to be
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: like too identified with anything or whatever or like be
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: too nationalist. But every time I think of like just
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: how lucky we are to be from here, dude, it's
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: pretty cool.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing. It is.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: Especially when you see stuff like that's going on with
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: Israel and Iran and all of that stuff. It's kind
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: of like, God, man, thank God that we're here.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: Even what's going on in the UK. People are getting
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: arrested for Facebook posts. Are they? Thousands.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: They still use Facebook? Oh, yeah. What the fuck are
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: they doing using Facebook? That's how you know it's a
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: political thing. It's all those old people.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: Old people.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: Old people on Facebook.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: All my old friends from high school, like my old
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: friends that I was friends with when I was like
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: really young, they're on Facebook. Yeah. Old dudes love Facebook.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: My mom and dad are on Facebook.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: They argue about politics on Facebook. Like, fucking miss me
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: with that shit.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they post about which neighbors.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: I got zero time for any of that stupidity. But this,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: you know, this thing that we've done over here is
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: allowing people to express themselves, whether you agree or disagree.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: That is just so gigantic. And what they're squashing a
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: lot of that in other countries. And that scares the
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: shit out of me. That's what I was really scared
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: about in this last election, because. Because I'm friends with Elon,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: I knew what was going on in Twitter behind the scenes.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: I knew how the government was stepping in and silencing posts.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is fucking dangerous, man. Yeah. Because if
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: they get a real grip on social media and you
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: no longer can protest about things and express yourself about things,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: including a lot of things that happen to be true,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: like during the COVID crisis, people were getting their accounts
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: banned for posting factual information. Yeah. That was scary to
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: me because that's very, very un-American.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: You have to be okay with that for all the
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: good and the bad that comes with it. Like you
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: just have to.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: You have to be okay with people saying things you
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: don't like.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: It's going to come with a lot of good and
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of bad, but you have to be okay
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: with it because when it's your turn at plate, like
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: you're going to want to be, you're going to want
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: to have your opinion respected too.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: 100%. And that's what people have to realize when it's
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: so easy when like, especially in this country, all tech
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: is primarily left and they have a very strong ideology,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: this very progressive left-wing ideology, which is like all over
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: the tech world. And when they were in control and
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: they were silencing things, I think the attitude was this
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: is good because we're right and we need to stop
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: these fascists or whatever we want to call them. But
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: the problem is then what if the fucking right gets
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: in place and they use the same rules that you
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: used on them? Now we don't have a country anymore.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: Now we're fucked. Now we're just like every other dictatorship.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: I don't really know how you solve it. I've kind
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: of thought about like how to like get to a
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: place where there can be world peace and all of
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: that stuff.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people I know you've
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: talked about it a lot. They get really attached to
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: the egos and the identities that exist inside them. And
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: then they see the world from only that perspective. That's
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: why I think that like a lot of the old
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: religions and the old like. echoed through time ways of
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: being are to, you know, destroy your ego, eliminate yourself,
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: be like this watcher of your thoughts and all of
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: that stuff, and then start to identify with the watcher
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: of what you think that you really are. And then
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: once you spend enough time doing that, you'll spend enough
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: time realizing that everyone else has that watcher inside them
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: and that maybe they don't realize it yet, but they're
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: still really connected to their egos that or really just
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: a bunch of ideas that were indoctrinated to them based
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: off of our environment or who we grew up with
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. And then you can start
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: to love people a little bit more. And it's, it's
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: kind of a shame that, uh, I, I just know
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: that that's not super big in the West, that idea. Um, just,
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: it's kind of an Eastern philosophy, you know, like being like,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: we just meditate here. Like that's just such a, like
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: a bitch ass way to think about doing it. Like that's,
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're settling into being able to
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: watch what you think you really are and be like
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: hey if I don't want to be that anymore I
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: don't have to be that or if I if that
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: doesn't serve me anymore I don't have to be that
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: this is one thing that I walk through a lot
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: of my guys within fighting is it's like you want
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: to not be scared of something don't desire anything and
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: don't be anything if you don't want to be scared
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: because fighting fearless is a really big thing I think
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: that I do a really good job of performing really
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: well because I'm not scared of a lot of things
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: because I don't have a ton of egos inside of
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: my brain as much anymore. I, of course, do because
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: we all have to. But yeah, once you start spending
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of time with that watcher, I think that
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: that's kind of why it always ends on the idea
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: of love being the answer is because Once you spend
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: time disconnecting from what we think we are, you always
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: end up in the spot where it's like, oh, that
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: person's that. They just haven't figured it out yet either.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: And I love them for that still.
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: And that acceptance and love is empowering both to you
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: and to them. Whereas like hate of other people, I mean,
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: it might motivate you in some way, but it's also crippling.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: You know, what is that old expression that anger is
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: the emotion that poisons the vessel that holds it?
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: You know, this is.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: You're wasting energy. You're wasting life. And you're wasting your
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: potential because you're thinking only in terms of negative all
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: the time. And negative is never constructive. You don't have to.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: You don't have to think like that to be successful
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  Speaker 2: or to be competitive or in any way. You can
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: be empty.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of energies in life that will
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: serve you, I think, up to a certain point that
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: just will stop serving you because it's just not– fuel
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: that you can sustain for long enough you know.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: Did you develop this philosophy from reading did you were
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: you taught it like how.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: Did you fuck load of mushrooms no i'm just kidding
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: not a ton are you kidding not a ton no
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: i think that's the answer when you were asking a
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: little bit what's the answer to world peace it might
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: be that it might be because i mean that definitely
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: rips you out of your body and fucking scares the
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: shit out of you sometimes but humbles you yeah it
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: does um Yeah. No, it's a lot of reading. It's
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of like, I've been fascinated by religion my
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: entire life. I was raised pretty, not like crazy, not
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: like religious in like a dogmatic way, but religious in
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: like a, hey, think about these things type of way
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: by my parents, which I'm really grateful because I developed
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: a super healthy understanding of those types of ideas where
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: they didn't feel like there was something I was latched
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: onto as much as they were things to be explored.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: And so it kind of started when I was really young.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: I just been fascinated by the idea of God, like
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: in church when they're like, hey, you're going to burn
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: in hell forever if you don't agree with this. That
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: became number one priority from that day on, dude. I
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: was like, hell, once I could understand hell and forever,
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay. I was like, oh, okay.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: So nothing else matters in life. Like we got to
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: figure this out right now. Um, so that kind of
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: took me on like a really religious thing. And then
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: after I lost my first fight, that was my big
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: first experience with facing an ego that I didn't have
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: control over.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: What was your first loss?
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: Uh, it was against a guy named Jamal Emmers. Who's
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: actually in the UFC now, but it was pretty much just,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: I shit the bed and choked. Um, I would've got
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: signed to the UFC and I just choked and lost. And, um,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: I was supposed to, in my head and based off
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: of what everyone around me was telling me, I was
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: supposed to be this super big prospect guy, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: After I lost, I had to face that maybe that's
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: not what I am.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: When you say choked, what about your performance do you
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: think went wrong?
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: I just didn't show up. I mean, I was 5-0.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: I was still really new to being a professional and
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: being able to perform under high stakes. If I would
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: have won, I think I for sure would have gotten
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: signed to the UFC just because I'd been training with TJ.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: My word was around them a lot. It was went
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: back to when you didn't have to get signed by
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: the contender or anything. They just would call you up
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: on a day, but you kind of had to have
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: a little bit of it in or be doing really
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: well or something. So, um, yeah, so that was like
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: my first big experience with that. I spent about that
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: entire summer, um, as much as I could in the mountains.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't even really train cause I didn't even know
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: if that's something that I wanted to continue doing just
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: cause losing hurt my heart so bad.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: How did you lose?
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: Uh, just a decision, dude. It wasn't even like gnarly.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: It was just like afterwards I was like, but I
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: was supposed to win. It's like someone fucked up here, man.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: I was supposed to win that. Uh, and so it
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: was just like, oh, so maybe this universe doesn't revolve
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: around me and like my ideas and who I think
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: I am and all of that stuff. And then, so
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in nature, read a lot
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: of books like power. And now a lot of Buddhist stuff,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: a lot of Thich Nhat Hanh stuff. A lot of
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: just spirituality books, but just the overarching idea of separating
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: yourself from your thoughts and your body and all of
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: that stuff. And just whether it's in our imagination or not,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: because I'm still not fully bought into any of that stuff.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: Like I don't have any beliefs is what I say now,
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: but I'm willing to entertain a lot of stuff. And
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: I want to believe something really bad because it would
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: make life a lot easier to like navigate through.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: I feel exactly the same way.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: Dude, it'd be so much easier.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: I've always said someone come up with a great cult.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: Come up with a really great call. I'll join.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: I'll come up with one.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: If you have a really benevolent leader that really is
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: an actual real guru and it makes sense and no
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: one's fucking everybody.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, are we allowing everyone to
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: have sex with each other?
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: No. Well, it's not. It's usually a leader. The leader
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: gets to fuck everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The leader gets
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: to fuck everybody and he wants your money. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: But if that could be avoided, but it would just
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: make things easier, but it really wouldn't. You're better off
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: without a real belief system, but sort of entertaining a
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: lot of belief systems.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: I kind of land on this idea of, so I've
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: been trying to write a comic book for the last
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: couple of years.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: Really? Yeah.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: I know writing is a little gay or whatever, but
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: that's why I spend.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: A lot of money.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: It's gay to some people, but it's like poetry.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. They're gay. If you're afraid of writing. Yeah.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: So I, I spend a lot of time writing. It's like,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: what I do with my free time instead of golfing.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: What kind of writing? How do you write?
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: Well, for the last couple of years, it's been trying
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: to write a pretty in-depth comic book, which has been
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 1: really fun.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: Are you a comic book fan?
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: I'm a comic book fan, but honestly, dude, how it
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 1: happened is I was like, I wanted to come up
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: with this really cool story. I'm just an idea machine.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: I just think of ideas all day. I don't have
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: many hobbies. I think it's super fun just me hanging
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: out with me inside my head all day. Um, so I, uh, yeah,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: I came up with this really cool idea, which is
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: essentially like a bunch of ideas from a bunch of
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: religions that I really like and then putting them into
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: a story. And the story is, um, okay. We got
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: some time for me to explain this.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty interesting. Um, but I haven't really
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: like broken it down from start to finish really, but
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: I got into writing just because I wanted to make
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 1: this story of mine. Oh, that's what you asked me.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: Am I into comic books? I tried writing a sentence.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: Like it started out in the August 5th of 2000.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: And I was like, fuck this dude. We're doing a comic.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: I can't write sentences. And I read good books. So
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: I like know what a good sentence is. And I
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: was like, oh no, that's going to take way too long.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: We're doing only dialogue and pictures. And so, uh, that's
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: why I started doing comic books, although I do really
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: like comic books too. But yeah, so it's kind of this,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: it's like a compilation of a lot of ideas that
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: I like about religion inside of this world that exists today.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: I actually put a conversation between you and Duncan Trussell
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: in it. I'm not going to do anything with the
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: comic book, so it's really fun to know that. I
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: just have fun doing it. You don't plan on publishing it? Maybe,
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: but I think, honestly, it would take another two, three
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: years for it to be super solid enough for me
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: to want to put out there. But there's a dialogue
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: between you and Duncan Trussell. I really love Duncan Trussell.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: He's one of my favorite people of all time. I
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: got to meet him at the Comedy Works in Denver
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: last year. Pretty recently.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: He's the best.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's really cool.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: I love that guy. Yeah.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: But pretty much it takes place where this guy goes
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: to the Garden of Eden that's being protected by these
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: tribes people. And inside of the Garden of Eden are
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: these trees called Kali's where when you eat the fruit
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: of them or you eat the crystals of them, you
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: get teleported to a place where the sixth lives. And
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: the sixth is like the god of our universe, right?
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: The world takes place in densities, which are pretty much
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: our chakras. So there's seven of them. The first density,
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: second density, third density, which is what we are as humans.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: The fourth are aliens. We're like we're humans that have
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: merged with the technologies that we've created. It takes place
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: about 20 or 30 years in the future where AI
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: is a real like actual fucking player in the game,
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: you know. um fourth is aliens fifth is like psychedelic
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: creatures slash angels slash all of that stuff sixth is
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: the gods of the universe seventh is the all it's
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: just like love it's everything and.
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 2: So heavy comic book man yeah.
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 1: It's pretty in-depth dude i mean it's not like simple
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: shit it's not like fucking some guy goes and saves
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 1: the world it's like a pretty the lore of it
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: is pretty cool i think so You go through each density,
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: our souls do, for billions and trillions and however, whatever's
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: past trillions of lifetimes. And you spend time in those
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: densities learning what it is to learn in those densities.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: So right now in the third density, because it's the
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: power chakra of life, what we're trying to do is
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: discover that the positive path of love is what we're
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: really shooting for instead of the negative one. And what
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 1: that means is the positive path is we're doing things
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: in service of others instead of in service of self.
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: So we're choosing love of others over love of self
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: because love isn't like an emotion in the book. It's
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: like a structural building of the world where everything is love.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: It's this all, it's not like Disney shit. It's like
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: a structural way of building the universe. So choosing to
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: be in love of others is what we're doing. But
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: earth is in its late third density, getting ready to
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: move into its fourth density. And this scientist who interacts
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: with this tribe takes a seed from the Kali and
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: grows them and makes it so that the entire world
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: can take this fruit and then interact with God. And
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: then what it would be like in this world today
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: if we were actually able to sit in front of
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: God and ask God questions. And that's kind of the
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: basis of the book.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: It's pretty cool.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: Are you doing the illustrations?
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: No, I called a guy about doing the illustrations. I
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: might wait until AI gets good enough. Yeah, which we're
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: pretty close. I fuck around with AI a lot too.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: But we're pretty close to, I think, getting there with
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: some apps where you can have consistent characters. Because it's
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: hard to do stuff because You can't make the characters
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: super consistent, but I think we're like a year or
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: two away from being able to do that.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: Probably not even a year or two away. Yeah, maybe not.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: I think we're in this very bizarre stage right now
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: where I don't think people realize what's coming. And I
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: think it's going to hit us like a fucking freight train.
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: So I know everyone has like a thousand stories. There's
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: like a thousand stories about AI taking over and all
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: of this stuff. In my book, sorry, this is okay?
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, okay, cool.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: I just know it's long and sometimes I lose track
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: of time.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: The AI in this story is the way that we
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: get moved into the fourth density. And the way that
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: we get moved into the fourth density is when we
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: merge with the nanotechnology that merges with the AI supercomputer
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: called Oblivion, which is pretty much just a hive mind.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: Once we all get merged with that, we either based
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: off of our polarity or our frequency or whatever that
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: tells us if we're positive or negative, If we go negative,
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: then we pretty much just extinguish each other because all
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: we care about is love for self and we kill
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: each other. It doesn't say exactly how, but you can
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: use your imagination. And in the positive way, we move
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: together in this hive mind into being aliens, essentially, where
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 1: we live millions and trillions of lifetimes as aliens until
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 1: we can enter into the fifth, which then we become
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 1: psychedelic creatures and all of that stuff or angels or whatever.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 1: And that's like a non-physical realm at that point. But yeah,
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: that's pretty much the idea behind the whole book.
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 2: It might be actually what really does happen.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a positive spin off of it.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: Well, the best case scenario is we evolve and we
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: merge with AI and we evolve and it's better for everybody.
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: And we become something superior to what we are now.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: Worst case scenario is we become irrelevant because they don't
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 2: need us anymore. Yeah. We're outdated.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: I still think it will still have to be partly
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: us because it was created by us. Like in like
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 1: a parallel universe where we are not like, say we're
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: fucking lizard people in another universe. We see things differently.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: Our priorities and values are different. We would make a
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: completely different set of AI. Like there's no way that
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: AI is just this thing that isn't connected to humans
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: in some way. So hopefully it's connected to the good
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: parts of us as humans, which is like compassion, love,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: caring for each other and not like a lizard reptilian.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: Like, hey, let's just we got to maximize capitalism and
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: all of that stuff. You know what I mean? So
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of what the book is about, too,
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 1: is it's just about like, hey, maybe it won't be
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: so bad. Like maybe this thing will have more human
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: traits than humans. Or maybe we're more awesome than what
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 1: we actually think.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: I think the hive mind thing is promising. And I
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: have a feeling that that's where we're headed. I have
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: a feeling that with either some wearable or some sort
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: of technology with an implant where we no longer require
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: language to communicate with each other. And we essentially have
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: instantaneous access to everyone all the time. And the thing
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: that people are going to have to deal with is
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: that there's going to be no more secrets. There'll be
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: no more lies. It's going to be impossible to deceive.
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: Everyone's going to know exactly what's going on in your soul,
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: like how you interface with the world itself. That's cool.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: I think that's probably where we're headed. I think if
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: we don't, we're going to become obsolete. I think it's
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: one of two things. Either we become obsolete and AI
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: becomes a new digital form of life that's far more intelligent,
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: far more capable than we are, and then it makes
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: better and better versions of itself until it makes God.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: Or we merge and we just transcend whatever this state
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: of being these primitive territorial apes with very sophisticated weapons.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: We become something different.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 1: If I did have beliefs, I would like to believe
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 1: that it is going towards a God or something, or
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: there is like some point to all of the like
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: hard times that we have in life. And we're actually progressing,
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: whether it be through many lifetimes or in other universes
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: or dimensions or whatever. And something inside of us that
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: isn't human but is maybe a watcher or something is
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: progressing towards something great and loving and more beautiful than
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: what we got going on here on Earth. And if
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: that is true, then AI will probably be pretty awesome.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: You know? If that is true. Yeah. Well, that's best
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: case scenario, right? I think it's also very strange that
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: we are in this position. It's very strange that we
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: are living our lives at this unbelievable, unique moment in
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: history where things are going to change in this undeniably
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: radical way. Unless something happens, unless we blow ourselves up
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: or get hit by an asteroid, it's going to happen.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: And it's going to happen probably within the next 10 years.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: Like 10 years from now, we're going to be looking back.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: Remember the old days of 2025 when you didn't know
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: what was coming?
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: I know. I want to be like. hey, you're over-exaggerating that.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: But dude, if you think about the world five years ago,
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 1: it was completely different.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: Just the invention of AI.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: AI wasn't a thing.
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: Just the last few years.
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: We're all like bunker down in our house and shit
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: five years ago. Even the UFC five years ago was crazy.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: I only get to view life through the lens of
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 1: my job and my love, which is through fighting, which
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: is cool because it helps me understand the macro picture
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 1: a little bit better.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: But Yeah, man.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, even just five years ago, how different
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 1: the UFC was, like, life is going to be really
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: weird in 10 years.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The whole world is going to be really weird. And,
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the things that always freaks me
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: out about Elon and Neuralink is one of the statements
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: that he said, you're going to be able to talk.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: without using words.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know how that would work.
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: Well, the hive mind. Yeah. We're going to be able
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: to interact with each other.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 1: But do we just feel each other's feelings then?
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: Probably. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 1: That would be good maybe.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: That would be good. If it's like, if I don't
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: have like a filter of feeling something, my brain making
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 1: it into words and then spitting it out and it
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: was just, I have this feeling and you feel that thing,
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: that might be a really great thing.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: I've often thought about the parallels of religion with what's
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: currently going on. And one of them being like Christ
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: was born of a virgin mother, right? So Christ was
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: born without sex and emerged. Like what else is born
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: without a mother? AI. AI is born without a mother.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: Christ is going to come back. AI is coming. Another
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: one is the Tower of Babel.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: Whoa, did you come up with that?
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: That's fucking awesome.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: Right? It seems like it.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: Right? If you think that God is going to return, well,
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: wouldn't it be? Yeah. That completely makes sense.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: The other one is the Tower of Babel, right? So
• 2:09:06
  Speaker 2: if we all have a universal language and we are
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: working on this fucking tower to get closer to God.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: Go the stairway to God.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: And do it right and you make it there. Do
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: it wrong. Do it wrong. And it becomes completely chaotic
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: and divided. And you're scattered across the world with a
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: thousand different fucking languages. And nobody can communicate with each other.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: Nobody understands each other. And it's just chaos, which is
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: what happened to the human race. If we develop a
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: universal language and if this universal language is transmitted through
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: whether it's this implant or wearable, some sort of interface
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: with technology, then we bypass. We bypass this primitive state of,
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: you know, chaotic tribal monkeys. and we become something superior.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's awesome. Yeah, the Tower of Babel was initially
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: in my story because I've loved that idea for a
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: really long time, which is essentially, it's just like a
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: symbol for like, hey, if we all work together, we
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 1: can actually do this thing, which is kind of the
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: main idea that I got from it. Yeah, dude, that's
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: a cool-ass idea about AI. I'm going to put that
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: in my book. I'm going to steal that.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: Idea from you. Steal it. Because if you think about it,
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: what is AI going to be? Well, if... Super intelligence
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: gets achieved and then you're attaching that to quantum computing, right?
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: Quantum computing right now is only able to just like
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: do integers and, you know, do equations. But what if
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: quantum computing and AI merge? Then you've got some insane
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: amount of computational power attached to an insane intelligence that
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: is going to make better and better versions of itself. Well,
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 2: if you scale that up exponentially, 10, 20, 30, 50, 100, 1,000 years,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: if you keep going, you get a god. Yeah.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, imagine, I mean, quantum, imagine, too, I mean,
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: who knows, like, if we want to go real sci-fi
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: with the idea, like, quantum particles communicate to each other,
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: so maybe they'll be able to communicate with the ones
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: that are in other dimensions, and that's how we're able
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: to communicate with other dimensions or whatever.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the freakiest concept about quantum computing, when they
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: said that The way it works is so confusing and
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: it's so powerful that they think it might be evidence
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: of the multiverse. Now, I talked to Roman Yampolsky, who
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: is a scientist who talks about the dangers of AI,
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: and he thought that that was all nonsense. He might
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: be right, but there's a lot of scientists that believe
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: that it's correct and that this is why quantum computing
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: is so powerful. Because Marc Andreessen said this, and it's
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: the fucking craziest quote ever, that quantum computing, it can
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: solve an equation... That if you converted the entire universe,
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: like every molecule, every atom of the universe into a supercomputer,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: it would take so long for the universe as a
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: supercomputer to solve this problem that the universe would die
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: of heat death before it solved it. And quantum computing
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: can solve it in minutes.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that Instagram reel.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: What the fuck does that mean?
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: Essentially what we would be doing, I bet you when
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 1: they were trying to invent electricity, they didn't know that
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: it would be this. And maybe that's what we're in
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: the middle of, except like times a thousand billion where
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: it's like, oh. Because I always think I'm like, we're
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: only looking through the lens of the future through all
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 1: of the inventions that we have now. What if we
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: invented something that was like... electricity or quantum computing or
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: quantum communication or like if you can change things at
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 1: a quantum level, like maybe I can turn this thing
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 1: into the hardest steel metal in the entire world. Um,
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: and then that just completely changes the board game that
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: we're even playing. Like we're not even playing the same
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: board game anymore.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know. Anytime anyone says nothing's possible,
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you sure? Cause if we just change the
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: board game, Shit can get pretty crazy.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: You can't say nothing's possible because everything that we have
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: today is impossible 200 years ago. You're a sorcerer if
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: you go back to the 1400s and show them an iPhone.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: None of it makes any sense. The fact that you
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 2: could FaceTime someone in New Zealand right now, that's bananas.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: All that stuff is fucking completely insane and it's real
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 2: and it's happening right now. And the other thing about
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: AI being if artificial super intelligence creates something that we
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 2: can't even imagine. We're just dealing with this Framework this
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: structure that's so antiquated because it's all been created by
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 2: humans if you get something that's a thousand ten thousand
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: times more intelligent than us and It's gonna have solutions
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: to things that we can't even comprehend.
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah Yeah, yeah, it's freaky shit.
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 2: You get real weird. You know one of the things
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: that always weirded me out about these stories about UFO
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: encounters and in particular the the Bob Lazar story is
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: that when he was working on back engineering these crafts
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: that were supposedly from somewhere else and One of the
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 2: things that he said is there's no controls. There's no
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: controls in this thing. They don't know what is happening
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: between these beings and this craft that they power it.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 2: But they're probably completely connected to this thing. What you're
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: seeing with those little grays is probably us in the future.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 2: That's probably what every primate eventually becomes once it integrates
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: with technology. It would be really cool.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: If that's like you said, what the religions were talking about, too.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: Like to me, the science shit is all cool and stuff.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 1: But I also like the idea of like intertwining like science,
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: modern ideas with really traditional ideas. It would be super
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: cool if it was something where it's like, hey, like
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 1: once we reach this certain of technological advancement, there is
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: a spiritual religious side to the thing that we also
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: make discoveries in, too. That would be cool.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: It would be cool.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: To have a belief.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, if artificial superintelligence does become live,
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: all belief systems are going to get thrown into the
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 2: wood chipper. We're not going to know what the fuck
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: is what.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: Unless it tells us.
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I have a feeling that a lot of
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 2: these stories, like these ancient religious stories, they're based on truth.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 2: It's just truth that was a spoken word thing by
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 2: people who really couldn't even read. Because they were illiterate
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 2: and they had these tales that were told for a
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: thousand years before anybody wrote them down. They're writing them
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: down in these ancient languages that even when you take
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 2: those ancient languages and you try to translate into like
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: modern English, a lot is lost in the translation. But
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: I think there's something to all of it. There's something
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: they're trying. They're not telling stories for no reason. I
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 2: think they're telling these stories because they're trying to document something.
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: And I just don't think we get a full picture
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: of it. But there's so much truth in those stories.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: And there's so many lessons in those stories that are
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: applicable and that resonate today. I think it'd be foolish
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 2: to dismiss them. Definitely.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, Carl Young harps on that a lot with
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: the collective unconscious stuff. Do you know Joseph Campbell? Do
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: you follow that guy? I love Joseph Campbell.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's amazing.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: I got super into Joseph Campbell around that time when
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: I was kind of.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: Doing the whole figuring myself out part after losing. But
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, the idea that there's pretty much a blueprint
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 1: to all of the stories that are across civilization is crazy.
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: It's like the pyramids being everywhere. It's just naturally ingrained
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: to us for stories to be like superhero gets called
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 1: to action, finds a guy, beats monster, beats mega big monster,
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: returns back home. Like that's like the blueprint to a
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: lot of stories. And I think it just goes underneath
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: the rug because we're just so used to all of
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 1: the stories being like that. I've messed around. Like I said,
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 1: like I spend a lot of time in my head.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: I don't really like talk a ton. I kind of just,
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: but I've done the whole like hero's journey thing in
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: my head during the Joseph Campbell time. I can share
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: with you. It's kind of fun. Sure.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: I just come up with stories and shit in my head.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so. I did my own hero's journey during
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 1: that time when I was trying to eliminate all of
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: the egos inside of me. And the easiest way to
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 1: identify one of your egos is to ask yourself, what
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: is it that you feel like you desire? You know,
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: that's why I think in Buddhist philosophy and all of
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: that stuff, it's always like, let go of attachments, let
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: go of your desires. And that will lead, like just
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: good shit will happen if you do that. And I
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: was like, okay, cool. I'll buy into that a little bit.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: So I tried to Identify all of these egos that
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: were inside of me I even went as far as
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 1: naming all of them and giving them characteristics and personality
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: Like when I would notice an angry person inside of me,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 1: I would just name it Samson, give it a tiger's
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 1: face and just treat it as a completely separate imaginative
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 1: piece of my psyche that I no longer wanted to
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: be attached with anymore. which is an idea that I
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: came up with myself at the time, but it's an
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: old idea. There's a really good book called Taming Your Gremlins.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 1: If anyone wants to look into that idea more, that
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: guy does a really good job of doing that. So anyways,
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 1: I started going through like my hero's journey and I
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: spend a lot of time like meditating a decent amount,
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: but not just like normal meditating, like fucking around in
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: my own head type of meditating and just seeing what
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: type of unconscious things are kind of below the surface
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: of my everyday, like Corey, me. And so I'm walking
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: myself through like, okay, what is this? What are all
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: of these things inside me? Or what are these desires
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: that are inside me?
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: I would name them.
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: I would turn them into a monster and I would
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 1: kill the monster. And then at the, at the very
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: end of this story, and I'm like crying during this
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: process when I was doing it or whatever in the
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: hero's journey, a lot of the time you have a mentor,
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: like a Yoda. Um, you have this thing that kind
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: of guides you through how to defeat all these monsters
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: and all of it. So I get to the end
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 1: of my story. And one part that they never really
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: bring up in heroic stories is the return back home. Um,
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: which is a really big deal. Like you've just eliminated
• 2:19:18
  Speaker 1: all of this stuff and now you've got to return
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: back home. So I'm getting ready to return back home.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: And my mentor at the time, because I did grow
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 1: up really religious, um, It was Jesus at the time.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: We're like, Jesus was my homie at the time. You know,
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 1: he was like this guy. And so we get done
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: defeating all of these monsters and we're sitting at the
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 1: cliff and it's like, okay, time to go home. And
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 1: he's like, hey man, like you got one more monster
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: to defeat. And I was like, well, what is it?
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: And he was like me. And I was like, what
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? And he was like, man, like
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 1: I'm the last thing that you're attached to. Like in
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 1: order for you to continue on, I'm the thing that
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 1: you got to defeat. And I was like, well, what
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 1: does that mean, dude? I'm not about to stab you, bro.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 1: And he was like, you have to push me. And
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 1: I was like, push you off the cliff? He was like,
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: you have to let go of me the same way
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 1: that you let go of all of your other desires
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 1: and fears and things inside of you too, if you
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 1: really want to do it. And so I'm like bawling, crying,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 1: because that was a big thing. So I do it,
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 1: and Jesus falls, but then he grows wings, flies away,
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 1: and says to me.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 1: Now you can be like me and then just flies
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: off into the, the whatever. And then I returned back
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 1: home and I just remember that being a really big
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: moment for me in my, I don't like to use
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: the word spiritual because it sounds stupid. Um, but that
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: was like a big deal for me in my development
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: as a person because it really like made me understand.
• 2:20:46
  Speaker 1: And they weren't things that I was planning out. They
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: were just unconscious things that were hitting me like over
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 1: and over and over again. I found that through hypnosis
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 1: and through like, trying to see what's underneath things. You
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 1: can't talk to it. You can't tell it what to do.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: You can't control your unconscious. You just have to watch
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 1: what's underneath there. So it was just like a thing
• 2:21:04
  Speaker 1: where it's like, now I get to be like you
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 1: was like a really cool thing that just like popped
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 1: into my head. And I was like, well, shit, that's cool.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 2: That is cool. Yeah.
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 1: I do a lot of crazy shit inside of my
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: own head, I guess. Probably makes me sound maybe a
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: little bit weird, but that's kind of.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: Where it's good. It's me. Yeah. Where it is good.
• 2:21:21
  Speaker 2: What was it like returning to fighting? After this, like,
• 2:21:26
  Speaker 2: trying to find yourself period. Yeah.
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 1: I remember I was folding laundry and they asked me
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 1: to fight this guy, Tejinho Galval, on four weeks notice
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 1: for LFA. And Tejinho Galval is fucking savage at the time. Still,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: I think, is doing pretty well. But literally every YouTube
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: video I could find of him was just knocking people out.
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 1: He was like 6-0 or something and just murdering people.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 1: Brazilian guy. And I was like, I don't think that
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 1: was a good idea. Like I just lost. I don't
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: really want to lose again. And I remember going back
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 1: and forth with myself big time. And as I was
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 1: folding laundry, I kind of got hit with another bit
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: of wisdom that came from wherever, not from myself, came
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 1: from wherever. And in this bit of wisdom, it told me, man,
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 1: I gave you this life for you to make it
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 1: up yourself. Quit asking me to make decisions for you.
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  Speaker 1: And so I was like, all right, fuck it.
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  Speaker 2: I'll do it.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 1: You know, um, I'll do it. And a big piece
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 1: of me going through that whole thing and what I
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: learned a lot about it was love of fighting isn't
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 1: really love of anything. I don't think is like Disney shit.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 1: It's like a mega commitment to something that you want
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 1: to achieve. And it works like a marriage, more like
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 1: a marriage, less than like a romantic, like, hey, this
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 1: is a fling. Like, it's like, hey, man, I might
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 1: not like you every day, you know, but. I'm going
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 1: to commit myself to you and I'm going to do
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 1: this thing. And it helped me really wrap my head
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: around what kind of true love is, because I feel
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 1: like that's what true love is. And if you want
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 1: to love this sport and you want to say you
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: love this sport, you got to love it on the months, days.
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: It might last years that you really don't like it.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 1: And just trust that on the other end of it
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 1: is like a good experience.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: There's a payoff. Yeah. It's a process.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: So how was the fight? It was good.
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: I knocked him out in the first round. Fucking crushed it.
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 1: Wasn't scared at all going in.
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: Really? Oh, yeah.
• 2:23:23
  Speaker 1: I don't get scared much when I'm actually fighting in
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 1: that mode of fight or flight, but I've already chosen fight.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 1: I'm good. I don't really get too scared going into
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: fights hardly ever. I get scared leading up to things,
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 1: but in the actual fight itself, I'm the goddamn Incredible Hulk.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 1: You can't convince me otherwise in those moments.
• 2:23:43
  Speaker 2: Well, I remember one time we talked and you said
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 2: that you'd made this adjustment in your head from trying
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: to fight and win to really trying to hurt people.
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 2: Are you still on that same? No?
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 1: No, not as much. I got a little bit older. One,
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: I think is a contributor to it. Two is that
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: wasn't a fuel that I could hold on to for
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: super long. It was like angry fuel. Doesn't really like work.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: It's not super sustainable. I also found too that being
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 1: that way got distracting to me being able to do
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: what I was trying to do. So any thought can
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: be distracting when you're fighting, as you know, like even
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: like silly ones or whatever. But if I'm being too
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 1: aggro and too, I got to hurt this guy, I
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 1: got to hurt this guy. That was good for me
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 1: to learn because I got to learn all of the
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: different aspects of what it means to be a fighter.
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 1: Before that, I was really zen, peaceful, like whatever happens, happens.
• 2:24:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do my best, you know. And then
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: I went way on the other side of the spectrum
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: where it's like, I'm fucking killing people and that's what
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: I'm doing now. To now kind of somewhere a little
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: bit in between where for me now, all of it
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 1: is about focus and doing the correct thing at the
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: correct time. I think that where I am today as
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 1: a fighter is very focused on just exactly what I said,
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: where what do I need to do right now in
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: order to win? And I don't make it angry. I
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 1: don't make it, motivated by anything else. It's just, no,
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 1: this is like a laser focused in doing the right thing.
• 2:25:16
  Speaker 1: And that's what I found recently has been the most
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: helpful thing.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 2: Just this Zen state of just existing in whatever, whatever comes,
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: whatever you're supposed to be doing, you do that.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: Kind of, but I know where I'm supposed to be
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: now a little bit too, like intensity wise. Before I
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 1: feel like I got like some like superpower that I
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 1: like didn't really know how to control very much. Now
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 1: I feel like I have harnessed it and I know
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: how to control it a lot better to where it's like, okay,
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 1: a 10 is too much. Like right now we got
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 1: to be a seven. We're in the locker room. We're
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: about to walk out. Let's maybe be at an eight
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 1: or a nine right now and we'll be there for
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 1: the fight instead of just 10, hurt the guy. Michael
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: Jordan had a really good quote where it was either
• 2:25:59
  Speaker 1: Michael or Kobe, but they said they never play a
• 2:26:03
  Speaker 1: game at more than 80%. And I think that that's
• 2:26:06
  Speaker 1: kind of a cool way to look at it. And
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean your effort. I think it means your
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 1: intensity level. You can't think at a 10 sometimes. It
• 2:26:15
  Speaker 1: gets distracting to burn all of that angry energy. It's
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 1: just not sustainable.
• 2:26:22
  Speaker 2: So you're in a position right now where you're next
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 2: in line. And when you look at Marab, he presents
• 2:26:29
  Speaker 2: so many unique challenges. Like this is a... He's a,
• 2:26:34
  Speaker 2: there's a few guys that are very skillful, but they
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 2: also have unique physicality. And that's Marab. So like when
• 2:26:43
  Speaker 2: you see that fight, first of all, have they given
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: you a date?
• 2:26:47
  Speaker 1: They haven't. I think it's, I mean, that stuff takes
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: a little bit. They told me November, December is when
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 1: I'm looking to fight him.
• 2:26:53
  Speaker 2: So maybe Madison Square Garden. Yeah, maybe.
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 1: Which I was a little bit against too because I
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 1: hate the New York State tax thing. But also at
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 1: the same time, I was in New York recently. And
• 2:27:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, ah, shit, it'd be cool to win
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: it in one of the coolest.
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: It's an iconic place. If you won the world title
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: in Madison Square Garden, that means a lot. Yeah, it
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 2: would mean a lot. There's something about Madison Square Garden.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: Like when you're in the building, you're like, man, a
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 2: lot of shit has gone down in this building.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: It's huge. It kind of feels like a gladiator. It's
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: because it's just huge. Like the floor part is huge.
• 2:27:26
  Speaker 2: It just feels different. I did stand up there and
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: just being there and walking out to this enormous crowd
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: and masses. I was like, Whoa, cool. This is the
• 2:27:36
  Speaker 2: fucking garden in the center of it. Yeah. In the round. Oh,
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: you did it.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you were like looking in 360 degrees. Did
• 2:27:43
  Speaker 1: you like that?
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: That's my favorite way. Oh, cool. Because it's oddly intimate.
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: So even though there's 16,000 people, the people on this
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 2: side are seeing the people laugh on this side and
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 2: everyone's seeing everyone laugh. And you're just walking around in
• 2:27:56
  Speaker 2: a circle. It's oddly intimate for 16,000 people. It's my
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 2: favorite way to do arenas.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 1: I was always really curious because I've seen stand-ups like
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 1: that and I was like, I wonder if that's distracting
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 1: for them.
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: To have to... It's the most fun. I thought it
• 2:28:10
  Speaker 2: would be distracting too because I've done arenas where you're
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: on stage facing the crowd and it feels oddly impersonal.
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: It's like you're just doing a show for this massive
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: amount of people. It's fun, but I kind of preferred clubs,
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: but a giant arena in the round seems like a
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 2: giant club. It really does. It's like, but there's some,
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of like doing it in Boston was
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: huge because like I did the TD garden because that
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: was like where I grew up and that's where I
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: started doing standup. But there's something about Madison square garden
• 2:28:43
  Speaker 2: for fights where when you go there, it's like, there's
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: an extra tingle in the air. Like, Ooh, boys were
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: at the garden. Cool. They also, you fighting Maraba, the
• 2:28:52
  Speaker 2: garden would be fantastic.
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be crazy.
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: When you think about him, what do you think about
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: this matchup? How do you approach it?
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 1: I think he has some obviously really good physical traits
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 1: that make him... His conditioning is a superpower that other
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 1: people don't get to have. And that's unique to him,
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 1: and he's made a way to weaponize that in a
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 1: really smart way. Every time I kind of too technically
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 1: break down things, I feel like I'm trying to be
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 1: really convincing instead of uh you know just believing in
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 1: it which has always kind of been a big problem
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 1: of mine in the past has always been i need
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 1: evidence in order to believe in something which kind of
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 1: just and like with that in in like fighting for
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 1: a world champion what am i gonna just walk in
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 1: and be like well i've been a world champion before
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 1: so i could do it now like i don't get
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 1: that luxury of doing that to be a world champion
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 1: so recently i've had this realization of belief in self
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 1: and that Trevor and Carrington Banks have both helped instill
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 1: in me big time, where I feel like approaching Marab
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 1: is going to be unique in its own, but I
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 1: don't need to tailor what it is that I'm doing
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 1: too much to Marab. I've really bought into this idea
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 1: where if I can go out and be the best
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 1: martial artist that there is in all areas, be able
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 1: to wrestle with them, be able to strike with them,
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 1: be able to grapple with them, If I can go
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 1: out and trust and be that, I can do it.
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 1: Against Umar, I did not as good of a job
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 1: with that. I treated him like I had to change
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 1: in order for me to be able to beat him.
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 1: Against Marab, I'm not going to do that. I think
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: Marab also has this narrative buzz around him where he's
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 1: an unbeatable force of freak of nature who has conditioning
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 1: out of whatever and while that is true to an
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 1: extent that doesn't mean anything to the fact that the
• 2:30:52
  Speaker 1: guy can't be beaten um if i look at myself
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 1: as a fighter and break myself down technically i would
• 2:30:59
  Speaker 1: say i'm i'm somewhere between umar and sean in the
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 1: task that he'll have in front of him i think
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 1: i know that i wrestle a lot better than sean
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 1: does um although sean does have really good takedown defense
• 2:31:12
  Speaker 1: his process of getting up is just like a little
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 1: dated and pretty slow, like you're going to lose some
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 1: minutes doing it the way that O'Malley does it. I
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 1: think that I get up super good. Being tall and lanky,
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: it's really hard to not let short little guys get
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 1: underneath you. Like that shit's going to happen, especially if
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: they're springy and fast in our weight class, like they're
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 1: going to. You just have to be able to pop
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 1: right back up immediately, which I know that I can
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 1: do because I fought Umar, who's easily one of the
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 1: best wrestlers in the UFC, and I was able to
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 1: do that. whenever I wanted. So that brings me a
• 2:31:44
  Speaker 1: lot of confidence about that. So I get to fight
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: Merab with a lot of confidence going into it about that.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 1: On the striking end of things, I'm obviously, I think,
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 1: a way better striker than Merab is, even though he
• 2:31:57
  Speaker 1: does make his shit work the way that he makes
• 2:31:59
  Speaker 1: his shit work. But I'm honestly not going to read
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 1: too much into it, man. I'm going to keep worrying
• 2:32:04
  Speaker 1: about getting better every single day, all the way leading
• 2:32:08
  Speaker 1: up to the fight. And I'm going to make Merab
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 1: deal with me instead of me having to deal with Merab.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: Do you have to do anything different to deal with
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 2: that endurance?
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, man, I feel like I try to go
• 2:32:20
  Speaker 1: in as every time I feel like there is a
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 1: there's like a unique thing that you need to big
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 1: time prepare for. Yeah. I go in shape as best
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 1: as I physically, humanly am capable of in every single
• 2:32:35
  Speaker 1: fight that I go into, as long as I'm not
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 1: hurt or on antibiotics and bullshit like that. Um, so
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 1: I already do that kind of, so I'm not going
• 2:32:43
  Speaker 1: to kind of overthink that piece. Uh, I might run
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 1: a little bit more. I hear my Rob runs, so
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 1: maybe I'll run a little bit more. Uh, um, but no,
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 1: outside that I'll, I'll make sure that my legs are
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 1: really conditioned. Um, That was a big one going against Umar.
• 2:32:57
  Speaker 1: I'll obviously make sure that I'm conditioned enough to be
• 2:32:59
  Speaker 1: able to get my ass back up every single time,
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 1: which is its own special, like wrestling conditioning is a
• 2:33:05
  Speaker 1: much different type of conditioning than striking. So just make
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: sure that I'm fully wrestling conditioned for that fight. And
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 1: then one of the harder pieces for people in the
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: sport is to wrestle, then be able to strike like
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 1: how they normally do. So just being, just being conditioned
• 2:33:23
  Speaker 1: to do that too.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm pumped for it. I can't wait to watch.
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: I think you're one of the more exciting guys in
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 2: the sport and one of the more interesting guys in
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: the sport. I love listening to your thought process. Thanks.
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 2: Very cool.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 2:33:34
  Speaker 2: Thanks. Thanks for being here, man. Appreciate you very much.
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 2: And again, I can't wait. Cool. I'm looking forward to it.
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Joe.
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: Thanks for everything. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody.