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Why Do We Love Southeast Asian Horror Movies? · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: The last good horror movie in in in uh America
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  Speaker 1: was Conjuring and it was directed by a Malaysian, you know,
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  Speaker 1: so it's like no one makes horror movies like Southeast Asians.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Art.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Hafiz. My name is Pha. My name
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  Speaker 1: is Wayne. My name is Kyle, and this is Tales
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  Speaker 1: from Incredible Tales, inspired by the classic Mid Cop series
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  Speaker 1: where we explore different aspects of Southeast Asia's supernatural culture.
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  Speaker 1: It's the final episode of season 3.
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  Speaker 1: We made it and of course it falls on Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's what this is there's a function for it.
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  Speaker 1: Where are the candies, no candies. So why aren't we
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  Speaker 1: dressed this year? I mean like uh a lot more makeup.
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  Speaker 1: You need a lot more makeup and I think we
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  Speaker 1: we dress ourselves this year is better. OK, celebrating oneself
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  Speaker 1: celebrating oneself, yeah. Can we be honest?
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  Speaker 1: You won the costume competition last year by a country mile.
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  Speaker 1: So the rest of us just like we see how
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  Speaker 1: this is gonna go every year, so no, OK,
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  Speaker 2: so next year I won't dress, but the rest of
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  Speaker 2: you guys can dress.
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  Speaker 1: Then you can judge.
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  Speaker 2: I'll,
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  Speaker 1: I think, but honestly we are allus but to celebrate
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  Speaker 1: this special spooky night, we will.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be discussing our favorite topic, which is horror movies
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  Speaker 1: of all time and why the genre still holds audience
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  Speaker 1: in terror. This episode's topic is inspired by the original
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  Speaker 1: Incredible Tales episode, Still Life. Just like this season's premiere,
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  Speaker 1: we wanted to treat you to not one.
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  Speaker 1: But two guests. First, of course, is Art, the host
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  Speaker 1: of Incredible Tales throughout its 13 years. Welcome back, Art.
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  Speaker 1: Art's not our only guest for this season finale as well.
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  Speaker 1: Our other guest has a podcast that's aptly titled The podcast,
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  Speaker 1: which celebrate, of course, it's, it's gonna be one of
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  Speaker 1: those lack of imagination. So that's that's what my podcast
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  Speaker 1: is all about. I swear I'm. I swear I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: get through the.
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  Speaker 1: The podcast which celebrates everything Malay while also dedicating a
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  Speaker 1: fair amount of time to horror stories too. In his
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  Speaker 1: free time, he dresses up as a machi for laughs.
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  Speaker 1: He also guilt tripped us last season into inviting him
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  Speaker 1: for an outdoor shoot.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the outdoor shoot and welcome back to Tales
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  Speaker 1: for Incredible Tales, Hafiz Rahman. Thank you, thank you. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for having me here. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Be
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  Speaker 2: careful what you ask for.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah, but I'm gonna be doing
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  Speaker 1: it with someone, right, later on, OK, I'm getting paid
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  Speaker 1: for this, right? Yeah yeah yeah yeah it's OK, anything
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  Speaker 1: for a paycheck.
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  Speaker 1: A working artist. That's what you are. Also, like with
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  Speaker 1: season 2 finale, uh, we wanted to shoot this episode
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  Speaker 1: on location somewhere that fit the theme.
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  Speaker 1: Which is why we are here at Golden Mile Tower's
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  Speaker 1: glorious grunchy car park. Grunge, I, I haven't heard that word,
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  Speaker 1: the 90s, you know, were you a surfer? Are you
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  Speaker 1: into grunge? Look, we appreciate all timelines here.
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  Speaker 1: Grunge is grunge is a way to describe this place lah.
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  Speaker 1: It is it is it is. How does it feel
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  Speaker 1: to be here? Uh, it feels like I'm living my 90s.
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  Speaker 1: What is your 90s.
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  Speaker 1: Not, not meeting la.
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  Speaker 1: On television, oh my God, yeah, it's just one of
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  Speaker 1: those things.
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  Speaker 1: It's like he's
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  Speaker 2: being forced to answer this question.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we had subscription of MTV Asia, so don't worry.
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  Speaker 2: Was it grunge for you?
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  Speaker 1: Um, what you on television?
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  Speaker 2: No like MTV 90s. Yeah, yeah, I,
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  Speaker 1: I missed MTV when they just um played music
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  Speaker 1: videos
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  Speaker 2: when there was music videos. We did turn into reality shows,
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  Speaker 1: but the beginning was was good, like my right and
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  Speaker 1: all that.
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  Speaker 1: And after that it just was like a slew of
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  Speaker 1: other reality shows they were like, OK, something else. If
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  Speaker 1: it's wrong, the right answer was Bangkok Jam. That was the.
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  Speaker 1: OK,
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  Speaker 2: now we're like I'm just
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  Speaker 1: keeping quiet.
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  Speaker 2: We're incredible tales jamming right now.
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  Speaker 1: So a little history about this place, many Singaporeans probably
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  Speaker 1: watch some classic horror films right here, uh, among other
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  Speaker 1: more
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  Speaker 1: Let's say questionable genres. Uh, since this building once housed
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  Speaker 1: the country's largest cinema, the Golden Theater. Till this day,
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  Speaker 1: it still has a place in local moviegoers' hearts as
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  Speaker 1: the location of Carnival Cinema, which screens films from India,
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  Speaker 1: and indie cinema, the projector.
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  Speaker 2: It feels pretty cool. I mean, anytime you're part of
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  Speaker 2: like history, like just you introducing the fact that this is,
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  Speaker 2: this is part of cinema history.
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  Speaker 2: I feel it's like it's really cool to be here.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, of course, like, with the fact that in
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  Speaker 2: Singapore developments are, are always progressing, you have new developments
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  Speaker 2: coming up all the time. But then to be able
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  Speaker 2: to be in like an old old school type of
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  Speaker 2: building always brings a different flavor to it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: horror
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  Speaker 1: movies in Southeast Asia have been intertwined almost from the
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  Speaker 1: beginning of cinema, arguably one of the first horror movies
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  Speaker 1: was 1931's Dracula.
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  Speaker 1: Starring Bela Lugosi. Just a little over 20 years later,
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  Speaker 1: as the film industry started to develop in Southeast Asia,
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  Speaker 1: we saw the release of Pontiana in 1957 and Menarakanong
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  Speaker 1: in 1958. Do you remember what was the first Southeast
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  Speaker 1: Asian horror movie you watched?
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  Speaker 1: I remember, I remembered mine. I was, uh, probably in
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  Speaker 1: my in primary school. It was this old black and
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  Speaker 1: white movie. I was, it was a Cathay movie or
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  Speaker 1: something like that. It's called Annap Pundana, which means the
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  Speaker 1: son of the child of the Puntana. It starred Jane
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  Speaker 1: Samuddin and Hashima Yoon. I remember getting freaked out by
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  Speaker 1: that movie when I was really young, and I think, uh,
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  Speaker 1: following that movie we watched a lot of other black
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  Speaker 1: and white horror movies as well.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, we Malays love to watch horror horror movies
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  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of them in our canon, so
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  Speaker 1: that was the first one that I remembered
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  Speaker 1: watching.
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  Speaker 2: So you remember watching that. What was your experience watching that?
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  Speaker 1: I remembered um
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  Speaker 1: feeling nervous because the movie started out with a, um,
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  Speaker 1: a scene where a lady was giving birth, right? And
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  Speaker 1: then of course she died during childbirth and that was
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  Speaker 1: when she became um whatever she was supposed to be.
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  Speaker 1: Um, so there was this particular scene that I can always,
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  Speaker 1: I will never forget, it's the scene where after she
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  Speaker 1: died she was buried and then there's a scene where
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  Speaker 1: they took a top shot of the, um, what do
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  Speaker 1: you call that, the place where you are buried, the grave, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: and they just split open.
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  Speaker 1: And then you just see like a couple of wrinkly
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  Speaker 1: black hands opening the soil. So that was the image
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  Speaker 1: that stuck with me for the longest time. Wow, how
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  Speaker 1: long ago was this movie 19, 1950s in Singapore.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I would think so, yeah, probably.
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  Speaker 2: I want to take it back before Southeast Asia because
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  Speaker 2: it brings me back to my childhood and I was
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  Speaker 2: wondering what was the first like horror movie that I
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  Speaker 2: was exposed to, and I think it was like probably
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  Speaker 2: the Exorcist, and I think it was like a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of us kids who just found the like, probably rented it.
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  Speaker 2: Um, back in the day when you rent, um, probably
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  Speaker 2: someone got someone to rent it like an older brother
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  Speaker 2: or older sister when it's like, you know, uh, you
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  Speaker 2: have the VCR, um, do you remember that?
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  Speaker 1: I was a grunge,
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  Speaker 1: um, very,
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  Speaker 1: very,
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  Speaker 1: very it's it's not, it's like a rectangular black box
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  Speaker 1: where you have to insert in. I know, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: just, you know, you, you, you, you stuck a pencil
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  Speaker 1: inside to rewind it, right? Oh yeah
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  Speaker 2: that's a cassette's
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  Speaker 1: cassette, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: OK, OK, back to
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  Speaker 1: the grainy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there's another one too. Uh, well, it's not horror,
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  Speaker 2: but along with Exorcist, um, it was Faces of Death.
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  Speaker 2: Have you, have you heard
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  Speaker 1: of that? It's like a snuff film, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, that's really messed up.
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  Speaker 2: That's really messed up. You guys
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  Speaker 1: watched it
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  Speaker 2: as kids? Yeah, that's why I'm messed up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that kind of brings me back. I totally forgot about that. Um,
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  Speaker 2: so there was Faces of Death and there was Exorcist,
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  Speaker 2: and it's quite traumatic to watch that as a as
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  Speaker 2: a kid. Um, and.
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  Speaker 2: I think as kids, like you're always trying to find
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  Speaker 2: something that's even more, you know, to freak you out.
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  Speaker 2: And then, and then once you're, once you put yourself
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  Speaker 2: in a situation to be freaked out, then you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: what did I put myself into because that that was
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  Speaker 2: really traumatic that the scenes, the infamous scenes that we
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  Speaker 2: remember with the head spinning.
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  Speaker 2: So I remember um hiding under the covers or being
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  Speaker 2: traumatized because that just stays with you. So that's my
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  Speaker 2: first experience like um with a horror movie, the Southeast
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  Speaker 2: Asian one, the one that comes to mind that I
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  Speaker 2: remember vividly, I don't know if it's the first one
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  Speaker 2: that I've watched. It's like the um.
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  Speaker 2: The men that, yeah, the, the 90s 1, yeah, because
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  Speaker 2: I think the other, like, in its entirety, because I
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  Speaker 2: think other movies might have been like bits and pieces,
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  Speaker 2: but in its entirety, it's probably the man that one.
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  Speaker 2: And I think what stood out for me because the
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  Speaker 2: 90s version was very sad. It's like it was very sad, very.
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  Speaker 2: It felt very heavy and very lost. So, uh.
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  Speaker 2: That kind of really impressed a lot of things in
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  Speaker 2: terms of seeing things on a like on a daily
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  Speaker 2: basis like um feeling as if like anything can exist
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  Speaker 2: anywhere at any time being like in Southeast Asia.
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  Speaker 1: For Southeast Asian horror, the one I remember watching in
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  Speaker 1: its entirety first was Shutter, uh, for me, you know, filmmaker,
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  Speaker 1: so Singapore filmmaker right, the meat.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, was not bad. I mean, growing up, I also watched, uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: when you're younger your parents play whatever movies there's horror
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  Speaker 1: movies usually on VCD then you just watch, right? VCD
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  Speaker 1: was after VHS. So you see the gap. Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So it was like streaming but one movie. Thank you. No,
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  Speaker 1: it was personalized streaming. It was that you're waiting for
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  Speaker 1: the thing to hit.
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  Speaker 1: You will never hit, but except you're in the office,
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  Speaker 1: then yes, it hits. But anyway, uh, so, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I, I believe I watched uh the Nang N movies,
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  Speaker 1: the 90s 1, but it wasn't in full. It was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as a kid just playing and your parents
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  Speaker 1: just watching and it's like, but the one that I
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  Speaker 1: watched in full was because it was a dare. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was a dare, uh, the maid just came
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  Speaker 1: out and they were doing a whole, whole bunch of
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  Speaker 1: um like.
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  Speaker 1: gorilla marketing. So they actually it came out in the
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  Speaker 1: news actually in Singapore it was a big thing in 2005,
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  Speaker 1: if I'm not wrong, uh, they, they got the they
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  Speaker 1: got the got an actress to dress up as one
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  Speaker 1: of the ghost in the maid holding an umbrella, walking
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  Speaker 1: in orchard.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like full ghost makeup and in the day
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  Speaker 1: and then giving out flyers, go watch the movie Golden
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  Speaker 1: Village or something. So and people were freaked out and
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  Speaker 1: it came out in the news. So it was Singapore
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  Speaker 1: was very different back then 20 years ago. So, so people,
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  Speaker 1: people actually had had like a reaction to it. So
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  Speaker 1: my friend was like, actually go I go watch. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was NC 16 because 2005
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  Speaker 1: I was primary 5. I was 12.
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  Speaker 1: But we somehow went into the theater and watched the
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  Speaker 1: movie in full, and it was during the 7th month,
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  Speaker 1: I remember the film came out during the 7th month.
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  Speaker 1: So that was really creepy. I think for me, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys know, especially Ha, there's
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  Speaker 1: this movie, right? I think it came out in 2002.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, it's called Kafir satanic. So there's this shaman, right,
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  Speaker 1: so basically the story, this shaman or like this bomo right,
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  Speaker 1: came to this village and then he likes to sit
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  Speaker 1: on on a barrel of fire, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So it came to a point that he, he, he
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  Speaker 1: managed to cure people's diseases, like people got like throat infection. He,
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  Speaker 1: he just used his hand to pull the infection, right? So,
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  Speaker 1: so like it's to a point that people got so
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with him, then they would meet him just to
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  Speaker 1: lick his sweat, and I don't know, the cover image
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  Speaker 1: of that that that movie is like very I was
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  Speaker 1: very traumatized by it.
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  Speaker 1: So go and Google it it's like a guy, like
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  Speaker 1: a very long haired dude, uh, not wearing any clothes
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  Speaker 1: and just like that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, right, that's what it was known as
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  Speaker 1: I know the name is uh Kunte yeah yeah but
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  Speaker 1: it's really, really freaky, um, I think if you watch
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  Speaker 1: it now you probably laugh at the, the, the whole
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  Speaker 1: movie like the VFX and whatnot, but it's really, really,
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  Speaker 1: especially this one scene.
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  Speaker 1: Is it the scene where he came back from the
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  Speaker 1: date and he flew off? No, no, it was the,
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  Speaker 1: the scene, so he actually sent this is like a
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  Speaker 1: black magic spell, right? So you can see, you can
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  Speaker 1: see the, the egg flew on the sky, flew to
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  Speaker 1: the sky and then go inside the lady's mouth, then
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  Speaker 1: go inside the body, then suddenly the stomach and die. So,
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  Speaker 1: so when I was younger, um, we had that VCD
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  Speaker 1: lah or I think it's VCD 2002 VCD.
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  Speaker 1: And then he has the cover image of that guy, right?
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  Speaker 1: I was so traumatized by looking at it. So my
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  Speaker 1: brother used to bully me a lot, so they, they
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  Speaker 1: just like literally far far back then they call me
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  Speaker 1: Farihin Farihin.
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  Speaker 1: And he showed me and then I was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, that's one of the movies that I really hate,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think that was my first, uh, Southeast
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  Speaker 1: Asia movie, horror movie that I watched la, but that's
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  Speaker 1: the one that I'm most traumatized of. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: like some images, right, you take one look at it,
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  Speaker 1: you just feel that it's very wrong. Like for me,
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  Speaker 1: one of the most iconic one is the one from Exos,
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  Speaker 1: the part where
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  Speaker 1: The microwave, then you see like a flash of an
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  Speaker 1: image of the devil white face that haunted me for
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  Speaker 1: days after watching.
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  Speaker 2: I don't find any cursed images from movies that sticks
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  Speaker 2: out for me. For me it's more from like
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  Speaker 2: Realistic pictures like from like maybe serial killings or you know,
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  Speaker 2: from crime, crime, crime images, those are the ones that
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  Speaker 2: are more traumatizing for me. Now, I'm sure Kyle, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the curse behind Poltergeist, the movie, the amount
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  Speaker 2: like actors who have passed away from being in that movie.
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  Speaker 2: Do you guys know this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So um.
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  Speaker 2: It's a segue from my curse images, like curse movies.
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  Speaker 2: So they've had like, I don't know how many different
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  Speaker 2: installments of poltergeist, but they've had so many accidents and
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  Speaker 2: so many mishaps on set with the actors on this
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  Speaker 2: movie that it's just, it's just, it's it's too much
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  Speaker 2: of a coincidence.
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  Speaker 1: I've I've heard of the Poltergeist Curse. I've heard of
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  Speaker 1: the curse of the Exorcist was slightly less.
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  Speaker 1: Believable because it seemed to only revolve around Linda Blair
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  Speaker 1: and how after she started in The Exorcist, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she went through a whole lot of trouble and everything.
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  Speaker 1: I
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  Speaker 1: You could probably chop that up to, to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a child star going through the Hollywood system, but I
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  Speaker 1: think just because it's the Exorcist, that was the added
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  Speaker 1: layer to it. But yeah, I kept hearing about the
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  Speaker 1: poltergeist curse. I didn't realize it spanned all the movies.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was, yeah, it spanned the movies and I,
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  Speaker 2: I think Heather O'Rourke, uh, the main actress in it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, in the end, I think she passed
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  Speaker 2: away too. I'm not sure. We have to, we have
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  Speaker 2: to double check that.
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  Speaker 2: But there were so many um so many things that
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  Speaker 2: came out of that movie in terms of like the
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  Speaker 2: deaths and the mishaps and it's just very, very, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's traumatizing to.
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  Speaker 1: If you, if you're, if you do a movie about
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  Speaker 1: a certain topic, do you believe that um there comes
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  Speaker 1: with certain danger,
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  Speaker 1: certain
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  Speaker 2: I'm
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  Speaker 1: pretty sure
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  Speaker 2: I, I definitely believe in that. I believe in the
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  Speaker 2: space and energy um that you move into, so you
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  Speaker 2: have to be.
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  Speaker 2: Um, like, for example, like we can share with the audience, um,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: with just doing tales from incredible Tales and all the
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  Speaker 2: measures that are put in by Kyle and the crew
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  Speaker 2: because we make sure that everything's in place in terms
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  Speaker 2: of like, um, the respect that we have for the
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  Speaker 2: space and the protection that we have for the crew
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: and also for, for us. Kyle, can you go, like,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: can you share more about
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: that?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Uh so for Tales from Incredible Tales, uh,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: especially for outdoor episodes, usually we shoot back to back.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Uh, the first and the last episode, uh, we will
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: shoot outdoor and uh since last season, and this is
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: a very, um, this is something that that that we
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: we we are very conscious of, uh, so we actually
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: do hire spiritual practitioners, of course.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: A certain religion to help us cleanse and let the
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: spirits and the deities know that we're using your space.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Please do not be offended by what we do or
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: what we say for during this period, uh simply because
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: to to, you know, give, uh, first of all, give
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: respect to the space.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Second, uh, to give assurance to the crew and the
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: cast that you know it's OK to work like, uh, in,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: in Mandarin there's a word called jie mu xiaokko, you know, it's, uh,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: basically the effects of, uh, doing a show. So sometimes
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: when we joke around.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: You never know what you might offend or who you
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: might offend. So that during the prayers, there are certain
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: things that we tell them that look, don't get offended,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: you know, here's some offerings peace, it's just for a show, uh,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: but sometimes things do happen even though you pray it's like,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: they just want to make their presence known or the
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: audiences to.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: The show that we are doing, yeah, but uh I
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: think the masters, you know, throughout season 2 and 3,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: they have said that, you know, what we are doing
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: is actually very good because we show respect and in
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: some form, we are also doing blessings for them so
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that maybe, you know, they can find peace sooner.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Something like that.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: So this is connecting to what your question was. So
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I feel sometimes, um, possibly with certain productions and content
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: that's being made, whether it's movies or shows or whatnot,
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: they might not have gone into the proper sort of um.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Uh, protocols to uh to touch on certain contents. I'm
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: not saying that is the reason, but it could be.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: So, so, yeah, on, on Poltergeist, right, I just read, uh,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: apparently a rumor is not confirmed, but apparently uh back
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: when they were making films, I think it was 70s,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: apparently Steven Spielberg wanted to use real human skeletons for
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: a certain scene because it was cheaper.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: And to get like props, but it's not confirmed, but
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: this was rumors that were shared with by the production team.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: So you take what as you may la, but I
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: would imagine using real human remains on the film set
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: without doing proper blessing permission. I think it's very unethical
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not surprised that things happen. But
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it's so interesting to see how much we have been
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: desensicized by horror. It's like.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: When when Exorcist first came out, you know, whatever happened,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: and then now when we watch it, it's like it's
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: nothing compared to what we see and experience. I remember
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: when the first Saul came out, you know, everybody's like, oh,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: it's too gory, you know, it's it's too traumatic. And
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: then now it's like watching Final Destination is like you
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: literally laugh at bodies being disembered and all that. So
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: it also speaks volumes about how much we have been
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: desensicized to horror.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Um, and also to violence in general, which is quite
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: interesting to think about, you know,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: it's everything in the media, it's everything from like the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: manga to the cartoons to gaming, um, and films like
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I totally agree with on this. It's like where we
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: are in terms of like how desensicized we are and
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: there's a danger to it too,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: because yeah, like you don't see the severity in it anymore,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's, it's become really like laughable at
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: this point of time.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very interesting, yeah. So then now the question is,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: it's been a long time then for all of us
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: to like, hey, when was the last time you watched
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: a really good horror film I really like show you
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: to the core, you know, I can't think of any
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: in the last 5 years, at least for me, you know,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: because it's like I've seen it all. I've seen all
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the tropes, I've seen all the scares, I've seen all
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the back stories like what else can you offer? So it's, it's,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: it might be a challenge for future filmmakers it's like for.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: So I think you're a filmmaker, right? So like for
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: me I studied filmmaking, right? So when whenever you watch
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: this like usually normal people watch horror movies, they don't
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: know you know what's next, what's next for then for us,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: we can probably like guess, you know, like after this
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: I'm scared, you know, so it's like after a while
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you don't really get scared of it anymore. The Thai
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Foundation wrote that.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Quote, Ghosts play many roles in in Thai society. They
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: can be topics for discussion and campfires, they can represent
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Thai people's respect towards ancestors, and they can reveal the
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: bonds between communities and nature. Most remarkably in popular culture,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: especially films and dramas, these supernatural entities can also capture
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the compassionate quality of Thai people, end quote.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Glenn Gui, the director of 2019's Revenge of the Pontiana,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: said of Carpi's cinematic history quote. These local Malay films
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: were a beautiful amalgamation of the diverse cultures in South
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and Southeast Asia. Chinese producers owned the studios and greenlit
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: the projects. Indians and Filipinos directed and wrote screenplays. Uh,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Malays acted in the movies and composed the music. By
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the early 1960s, Malays took on the role of director too.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Films during this era were embraced and beloved by Singaporeans
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and Malaysians. They were unique to us and our identity.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: So all of that said, what do you think is
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the role of horror movies specifically in Southeast Asia? Are
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: they like a reflection of who we are, a way
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to find common ground, or something else?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: It's all, it's everything that you just mentioned, because the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: thing is like when we have movies, whatever genre it is,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: it's comedy, it's horror, it's action.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Uh, you get a taste of the culture and the
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: lifestyle within the movie. It's like, if I, if I
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: bring up like Meach, it's like you get a sense
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: of that period, the sense of how they uh the
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: clothes that they wore, uh, sort of the lifestyle that
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: they live in the kampong at the time. So I
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: think any movie has those elements that's like more than
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the genre itself.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: So what does it bring? It brings a film, it's
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: like it's a familiarity uh with, with what you know,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: what you see, what, what, what goes on around you
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: or what you hear, like, you know, what's been passed down.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Also, I think we are.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Excellent in storytelling when it comes to horror because I
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: think you can ask anyone, you know, ask any Southeast Asian,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: you know, if if they prefer an Asian horror movie
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to a European horror movie, you know, they would always
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: say I would rather watch something made from Thailand or Indonesia,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: because they really know how also because of that sense
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of familiarity like you know these things happen around you,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you know, and you see familiar scenes and familiar spaces, so.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: It's it's the emotional thing, right? It's emotional attachment, oh,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: it can happen to me too. So like I would
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: never find myself locked out in a dungeon with a Dracula,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: but I might be, you know, waiting for the lift
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: and then someone is waiting beside me, you know what
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: I mean? So it's, it's that sense of familiarity that
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that really makes it worthwhile watching, um, and I think, yeah,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I think something that is very interesting because no one
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: makes horror movies like Southeast Asians.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Since the 60s, I, I personally feel like we make
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the best. Like the last good horror movie in, in,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in uh America was Conjuring and it was directed by
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a Malaysian, you know, so it's like that's true you
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: know what I mean like they needed a James one
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: to bring like proper horror, you know, so yeah, I mean,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I think our sensibility of horror is just top notch. Yeah.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Asians, anyone on the street you ask definitely have one
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: where they know at the back of their head and
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: they can tell, tell it to you like a master storyteller,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: the hippy jeebies. You ask any taxi drivers in South
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Asia confirm have like sometimes you don't even want to hear.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: They they just tell you, I tell you this then.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: So I feel like it's in our blood to sit around,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: you know, campfire, tell ghost stories. There was there was
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: this tweet a couple of days ago. It got a
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: lot of attraction. It was like millions of views. Someone
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: said you can be an atheist, but if you're in
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Southeast Asia, you got to believe in something like, you know,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: because the girls are not going to spare you like,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you know, like Southeast Asian girl is like, yeah, pray
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to something, bro.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: So I thought it was very interesting. So then there
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: were a lot of retweets about like, you know, experiences
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: in the Philippines, in Thailand. It's unwarranted. It's our way
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of life, I would think horror, you know, yeah. I
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: had a, a recent production meeting is very far away
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: from horror.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: We were just talking about technical specs and stuff and suddenly, ah,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: this person is like, you know, ah I heard ah
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: this place uh last time I go like I start
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: already la then vibrates start already already like all like
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you know, um, no matter where you are, like, especially
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: in Southeast Asia did this.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: All these horror movies like kind of unite eyes because
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: like for me I'm a Malay and but I watched
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Thai films, Thai horror films. I watch Chinese horror films,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: you know, and then like you know Thai most likely
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: watch Malay horror films as well. So it's like a multi,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: multis ASEAN thing.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: binded by horror movies. Yeah,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: and it's a wonderful introduction into like your neighboring country's culture,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: because like, for me being in Singapore for 12 years,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: when I, when I was here, I was able to
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: learn about all these different things about Singaporeans through all
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: these different genres.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and her being um one of them, yeah,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I think and and it's also like um it's a
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: very nice way of like saying hello to your neighbors.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you just meet someone say, oh yeah,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I heard about this entity. Oh, you know my entity
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: and what's interesting is that these entities are similar in
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: different in all of our different cultures. I know.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: For us, we, we have, we call it the Puntana,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: but in Indonesia they call it Puntilana, and then they have,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: they have their own version, um, in the Philippines and
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: all that like the hate moving, you know, like in
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Thai I know of this spirit like they're very tall,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: we all have, right, so it's it's that that that
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: that um bonding through.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting things. So in 2024, 60% of Indonesia's 258
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: domestically made productions were horror films. This is after only
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: 456 movies in total were made between 1990.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: And 2000. So horror movies have been hailed as the
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: saving of the Indonesian movie industry. When asked why they
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: prefer to watch horror films, Indonesian's answer ranged from liking
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that the films were based on familiar folklore to horror
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: movies being easier to understand. What do you think is
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the law of horror movies for Southeast Asians?
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Is it the thrill of a scary movie? Is it
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the familiarity of the myths, or is it something else?
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I think people go to watch movies, horror movies in
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: general in Southeast Asia for different things like, yeah, yeah,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: it could be the story, it could be the plot,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it could be something that has happened to them before
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: they want to see it being played on, you know,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: on screen or it could be like, yeah, it could
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: be anything.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, recently I watched one, Indonesian, Taiwanese, uh, but it
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: has been remade for the Thai market. Thai Thai version
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: two years later. So it's basically about this guy who
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: offended the spirit and then he has to marry the spirit.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and a lot of things happened, so he
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: was trying to help the spirit to reincarnate in the film.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: It's very touching, so I did not expect to like
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: kind of want to tear up for horror film, but I, I,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I've always believed in this like horror films, they make
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you feel everything. Yes, a little bit of all the genres.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Of course there's the scary part lah, but then they
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: will tell you why it is scary. It's because of this, this, this, this, this, this,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: like recently, I recently watched this Thai horror comedy film.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's his name, but it's about a
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: realtor buying this haunted hotel.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: It's so good, because yes, everything like you said, you know,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: all the emotions and whatnot,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: yeah, I think it's basically what kind of lives with
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: you and stays with you. So it's like everything that
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: we're just mentioning right now, it's a bit of everything.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It's like it's the story behind it, the touching elements
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: of it. And then I think sometimes when it's told
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: so well, then it becomes very, that's where like it
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: can be scary because it feels so real that it
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: can happen to you or you can, you feel um.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: You, you're able to feel it as if it's happening
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: to you when it's not happening to you.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: It's interesting you say that and something you brought up
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: as well, where one of the reasons why people watch
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: it is, oh, this happened to me, so I want
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: to see it play out. I think, I think Southeast
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Asia is probably the only place where that's an actual
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: reason that people will give like, oh yeah, I had
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: that experience before. Let's see how they do it on
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: on on film.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: And then you compare and it's not like that. It's
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: like the movie adapted my own horror experience. I want
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to see what's happening around there, but yeah, I think
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I'm quite sure that this is the only place where
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get a lot of people going, I'm familiar.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And I think, I think in many ways, I think
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Southeast Asian films are are very simplistic in their storytelling,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: which works really well because for me,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, personally, I think the simplest stories works, you know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: like a simple setup like I remember there was this
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: horror movie, uh, called Mak. It was, it was, it
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: was about spirits. So when you pray alone and then
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you feel someone praying with you.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: It's it's a spirit called Makum. So it was a
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: very simple premise, but they managed to make a movie
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: out of it and it was quite solid. I mean,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: it was, it was made quite well. Um, so those
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: are the stories that I think really resonate with people,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: you know, to take a simple concept and to do
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: it well is very difficult. You can have really clever
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: concepts and your entire story could hinge on a really
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: smart concept, but they have a simple concept and do
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: it so well.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: It's an art form and it's not an easy art
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: form like utter that's a Hollywood version of it, like
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the eyes a Hollywood version of it. So it's, yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: simple stories work, you know, it's yeah, it's how you
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: feel for the Western market. It's not simple because they
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: don't understand it. So like the storyline is not, it's
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: not so simplified. That's why it works for like for
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: like a Western market for them to.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: exposed to something that they they can't comprehend,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: pick any random list of best American remakes of Asian
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: horror movies and most of the entries would consist of
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: remakes of Japanese films with maybe one or two Southeast
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Asian ones. But why do you think Southeast Asian horror
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: films haven't had the same global success? And do you
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: think that's going to change anytime soon?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: I guess we can break it into two. So breaking
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: it into two, I feel when you do the remake, it's,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: it's still very far off from the original because then
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: now you have it's like whitewashed. So then it's still
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: entertaining and I feel it's the best way for.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: For a Western audience to feel connected when they see
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: someone as a representation of themselves. So I'll turn this around,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: like the poltergeist and the Exorcist. Let's say we do
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: like a poltergeist or Exorcist Asian version, we get Asian
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: actors to play, then that that gives us the connection.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: But then does that fully resonate? So I think that's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: why like the remakes might not be as a global
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: success because you can get the connection.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: But then you, you still don't resonate it fully. And
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: then like on the other side of it, where it's
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: like if it's not a remake and it's the original, um,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: then you have that, you have that connection again, where
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: it's like you, they don't have, they don't see themselves
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: because one, they're not Asian, and then there are.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Elements of the culture that they don't connect to. But
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: then I do feel there are like, there are certain
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: horror films that do cross because like for some reason,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: I think Shudder has crossed to a Western audience. It's
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: like it's a small audience, but it has made it
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: very unique and very.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Um, I think it's something that they can grasp, but
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: it might not resonate fully, but they can grasp. So
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: there are certain movies I think that do cross. So
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: it really depends on the storyline per se, I guess.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: As a filmmaker, I have a lot of thoughts on
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: this question. I feel like I need to give my
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: two cents, OK, and I think actually mentioned it.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: First of all, I think, uh, Southeast Asian filmmakers, where
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: we do horror, we do it the way we know,
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  Speaker 1: the way we we unapologetic. We just do, you get it,
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  Speaker 1: you get it, you don't get it, you, you don't
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  Speaker 1: get it. We make it for Southeast Asians first and
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  Speaker 1: foremost for our own people, right? Uh, and to be honest,
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  Speaker 1: Southeast Asia in of itself is a very big market.
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  Speaker 1: Indonesian horror is huge.
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  Speaker 1: So, uh, they don't really think of that from the
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  Speaker 1: producing standpoint as of reason because they can cover their
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  Speaker 1: own market, right? Uh, however, like what I said that
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  Speaker 1: there are some films that actually cross because maybe certain
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  Speaker 1: things just maybe it could be luck, certain things just
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  Speaker 1: happen to go like shuttle, Ringo, they just match the palette.
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  Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that Southeast Asian films won't do
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  Speaker 1: well globally.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's more of a bigger picture of how
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  Speaker 1: like the film market demand is. For example, like um
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  Speaker 1: it took one huge win for Bong Joon-ho's film to
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  Speaker 1: to be seen by the American audience because it was
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  Speaker 1: such a big thing, right? And it's oh, and even
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  Speaker 1: then people were like,
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  Speaker 1: I can't get past the, the Korean language, man. I can't.
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  Speaker 1: Like everything about that film is world class, right? The cinematography,
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  Speaker 1: the set, everything, acting, everything, but people are like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can't get past the subtitles. I think that I
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  Speaker 1: found really jarring. we've watched movies throughout our lives with
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  Speaker 1: subtitles like it's just it's just there, yeah. But then again,
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  Speaker 1: to be fair western audience, to be fair.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, they have always, their language has always been in
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  Speaker 1: the center of the world, whereas at this part of
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  Speaker 1: the world, we are so multicultural, like, I mean, you
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  Speaker 1: speak your language. I try. I've got subtitles I can watch.
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  Speaker 1: It's OK because we see this every, every day, but
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  Speaker 1: in that part of the world, English is probably the
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  Speaker 1: only language that they speak in that sense la. So
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that is that cultural difference unless they.
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  Speaker 1: Really change or catch up. I think it's it's very,
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  Speaker 1: very hard for us to enter, uh, that, that market
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  Speaker 1: we just stick to our own, which I think is
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  Speaker 1: really very big. This question is for everyone. What Southeast
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  Speaker 1: Asian creature or spirit would you like to make a
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  Speaker 1: movie about? I think if you ask me, right, my
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  Speaker 1: intrusive thought, right, I would say it's a hantula basically.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, because that has been done, but it's the one
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  Speaker 1: right in the Indonesian version it's just, it's just a big, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's just.
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  Speaker 1: It's badly made, it's badly made, but we need we
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  Speaker 1: need a powerful one, yeah, we need a like a
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  Speaker 1: like an R21 1 like, I'll look forward to your version.
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  Speaker 1: R21 just like, OK, OK, but that one is my
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  Speaker 1: intrusive thought, but my, I think, I think it's, uh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys heard of this, uh,
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  Speaker 1: folklore creature. It's uh sung Columba.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so basically Sanlamba is uh it's like a human
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  Speaker 1: but twice the size, very big, very ugly, and then
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  Speaker 1: it's like the Malay version of Medusa.
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  Speaker 1: So apparently this samba, they can turn humans into stones
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  Speaker 1: and and I think it came from Pahang or if
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  Speaker 1: I'm not wrongambai. I don't know the name. What's the
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  Speaker 1: reason why it turns people? I have no idea. That's
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  Speaker 1: the thing. That's that's why like somebody should make a
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  Speaker 1: movie about it.
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  Speaker 1: You, you make, so it's between very seriousba is actually
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  Speaker 1: a lady.
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  Speaker 1: Based on Wikipedia, I mean like yeah, Medusa was lady
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  Speaker 1: as well, but this lady is very big, like a
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  Speaker 1: giant apparently it says it got the ears of ears
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  Speaker 1: of an elephant, and then the face, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: is you can try to see.
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  Speaker 2: I agree that would be a very interesting uh or
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  Speaker 2: I would do Kuman Tong.
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  Speaker 2: No, because I don't think there's been a Guman Tong
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  Speaker 2: horror movie that's um that's been done with justice. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think there's been one done at all, um, from,
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  Speaker 2: from my own experience, I think it would be very
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  Speaker 2: fascinating to do it from a very um sort of
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  Speaker 2: like diving deep from the emotional level of it, because
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  Speaker 2: these are, these are um children's spirits that weren't allowed
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  Speaker 2: to be born.
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  Speaker 2: Into like human, into a human life. So I think
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  Speaker 2: if there was, if you're able to tell that very well,
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  Speaker 2: it could be very touching, but yet very um kind
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  Speaker 2: of traumatic but scary at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually a good idea. Is there a movie about?
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  Speaker 1: There is, there is, there, there was one, but it
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  Speaker 1: was not made well. That's actually a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, OK, for me, I guess, uh, it's not a
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  Speaker 1: spirit per se, but I think it's a way of
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  Speaker 1: storytelling which I feel is not, has not been done yet. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a huge horror fan, but I think the most
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  Speaker 1: unnerving times when I'm really like at the age of
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  Speaker 1: my seat is when there's silence, um, because there's the uncertainty, right?
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  Speaker 1: And I think uh I would like to make a
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  Speaker 1: movie about a possession that is very quiet.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think that it's going to be something very
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  Speaker 1: different because usually when you see possession and when you
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  Speaker 1: see exorcism, it's very loud, a lot of people screaming
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  Speaker 1: and shouting and it's the priests or the holy man,
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  Speaker 1: you know, um, shouting scriptures and all that, right, but
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't, it's not like that in real life, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I've seen an exorcism happen in front of my
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  Speaker 1: eyes and it's very quiet, but it's unnerving moments like when,
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  Speaker 1: I mean just like like for example I'm just retelling
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  Speaker 1: from my own personal experience like when when I see
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  Speaker 1: my mom gets possessed, right.
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  Speaker 1: And then like I can really see from her face
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  Speaker 1: like it's not her, it's a face of a man,
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  Speaker 1: but you cannot, you can't quite pinch and it gets
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  Speaker 1: to you, you know, like, like that's someone that I
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  Speaker 1: know and it's very quiet, you know, the the exorcism
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  Speaker 1: is there's no like, get out of the body. I'll
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  Speaker 1: beseech you in the name of it's none of that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's no like lightning and thunder and windows flailing,
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's very quiet. It happens like at 2 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: in the afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: But you can really feel things circling the area, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you can really feel that when your mom looks at
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  Speaker 1: you like, you know that that's not my mom, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to make eye contact because you know
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  Speaker 1: that that thing can come to your body. So it's
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  Speaker 1: that those quiet moments that I feel has not been
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  Speaker 1: explored a lot yet in horror films, which I feel
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  Speaker 1: it would be very interesting to see like it's really quiet,
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  Speaker 1: you know, um, for me, I'm going to uh.
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  Speaker 1: Try to tackle my greatest fear, which is water, like
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  Speaker 1: the ocean. I feel like nobody has really made like
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  Speaker 1: a horror film in the sea. Everything happened, the whole
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  Speaker 1: premise happening. Oh my God, I'm giving out an idea.
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  Speaker 1: Everything happening in the ocean, in the sea where nobody
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  Speaker 1: can help you. And then, uh, recently I've actually discovered
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  Speaker 1: this entity, not really entity like this creature that is
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  Speaker 1: in the Southeast Asian mythos, Naga.
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  Speaker 1: And they shared between different cultures, Thai, Indonesians. So, uh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe like a story of like a fisherman trapped in
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  Speaker 1: the sea and then uh having uh like a naga
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  Speaker 1: trying to attack him and then he also can highlight
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  Speaker 1: about like certain.
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  Speaker 1: Society thinks that is happening to fishermen that are struggling
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  Speaker 1: in Southeast Asia. There's a recent Vietnamese movie that happened
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  Speaker 1: about a spirit of the water. Maybe you should watch it.
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  Speaker 1: I forgot what it called, but it was, it was
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  Speaker 1: not scary scary, but it was very interesting because it
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  Speaker 1: was a culturally different thing, right? Um, and you don't,
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  Speaker 1: you don't normally watch like a Vietnamese movie, right? You
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  Speaker 1: would watch like a Filipino or like a Thai movie. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so it was a very one of those very interesting
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  Speaker 1: Vietnamese movies where, um, the, the spirit feeds on.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, fishermen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so then, so then like because fishermen because it's
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  Speaker 1: very coastal country, right, so whenever they go out, um,
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  Speaker 1: they will hear the sound of this banshee singing the sirens.
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  Speaker 1: So once that happens, you need to get out of
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: the water, you know, but if you don't, then the
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  Speaker 1: ship capsizes and, and yeah, so it's about this story
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  Speaker 1: about this lady who didn't want to be a diver.
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  Speaker 1: So against her wishes she was she was a diver
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  Speaker 1: and one finding it was her own son who was
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  Speaker 1: trapped in the sea. So that's a huge.
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  Speaker 1: Scene where she just really dives all the way inside
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  Speaker 1: just to find her son. Very interesting. Spirit of the water. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was some of the water, yeah, and they all
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  Speaker 1: lived like on um
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  Speaker 1: Silts by the sea. Interesting. Last episode of the season, guys,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, as as much fun as we're having
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  Speaker 1: discussing these movies, uh, it's time to wrap up this
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: episode and wrap up the season. So for one last
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: time for Tales from Incredible Tales, Kyle, let's hear our
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: morbid fact of the day. So the original Pontana film
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: helped to cement his production company, Cathay Carris as a
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: major force in the industry.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: The company's partners locked one toe and Hook eventually had
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: a falling out though. When Ho gained the rights to
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: the film, however, Ho wasn't allowed to screen it anymore
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: because of the film's main actress, Maria Millado was married
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: to the then Sultan of Bahang at that time. So frustrated, naturally,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: he threw away.
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  Speaker 1: The original uses spoil it for everyone, yeah, so super
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: petty thing it's the original come on like the original, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: but but she actually did another movie. She did a
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: couple more of Pretend movies after that movie to sort
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: of like supplicate how she how she get the permission to,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: The, I found out I'm not mistaken. I think the
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: marriage to the to the sultan was short-lived or something
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: like that. So I think after that she was like, ah,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not, yeah, yeah, I don't anything.
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  Speaker 1: I know the marriage was short lived. I can't remember
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: what the timeline was when she started doing it after,
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: but yeah, but horror movies and categories was like it
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  Speaker 1: was a saving grace, I think, for the for the
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: for the production company because.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: There was a slew of horror movies back and they
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: were just churning out horror movies one after the other. Yeah,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: and the beautiful thing is that a lot of them
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: were shot in Singapore. Singapore, Malaysia. It was the golden age.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: It really was the golden age for our region's horror films.
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  Speaker 1: Alright, thank you again, Art. Thank you, Hafiz for joining
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  Speaker 1: us and thank you to all of you for tuning
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  Speaker 1: into another season of Tales from Incredible Tales. You guys
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  Speaker 2: My name is
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  Speaker 1: Art. My name is Hafiz. My name is Wayne. My
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  Speaker 1: Tales from Incredible Tales was hosted by Far Anwar, Wayne Ray,
• 45:11
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