Latest / Financial Survival Network / Mining for Opportunity: The Gold Sector's Bright Future - David Erfle #6110
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- 0:00We did have a breakout to an all time I recently, but it was
- 0:03only a daily breakout, and then the gold price came right back down into
- 0:08that three month consolidation. So it's building a stronger base here. Gold bounced
- 0:13off. It's a rising eighteen week moving average has been pretty strong support for
- 0:17the past year or so. You were listening to Carrie Letz's Financial Survival Network
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- 0:49the Financial Survival Network. I'm your host, Carrie lets Hey, what's going
- 0:53on with the price of Goal silver? Silver's under thirty dollars? It's not
- 0:57a huge bargain. Is it going up the three hundred? Like Eric Sprout
- 1:00predicts, Well, let's find out with David Earfley, Junior minor junkie with
- 1:07a y dot com and has got a question for David myself. Email kl
- 1:11Kerrie. Let's go out David, how are you doing there, Ron Grey
- 1:15Kerry, how are you always nice to see it? Oh? Lece so
- 1:19go Like, we haven't been able to break twenty five hundred yet, so
- 1:23we're getting closer, closer, closer, not quite there. Every time it
- 1:27gets closed, something seems to happen. Yeah. What Well. Since we
- 1:34had that monumental breakout of that thirteen year cup and handle pattern above twenty one
- 1:38hundred back in March, gold's been making higher highs and higher loads. You
- 1:42know, we had a four hundred and fifty dollars move in the space of
- 1:45about nine weeks, and that's that move's been consolidating for about three months now,
- 1:51but it's making higher highs and higher lows in that consolidation. We did
- 1:53have a we did have a breakout to an all time high recently, but
- 1:57it was only a daily breakout up and then the and then the gold price
- 2:01came right back down into that three month consolidation. So it's building a stronger
- 2:06base here. Gold bounced off. It's a rising eighteen week moving average has
- 2:10been pretty strong support for the past year or so, so it came down
- 2:15to test that, which at the time was around twenty three hundred, and
- 2:19silver has just tested, it's eighteen We move a average here this past week,
- 2:23I think it was this week, and it's tried to it's it's trying
- 2:28to stay in its consolidation as well, So you know, it's all it's
- 2:31all good as far as the metals are concerned. I mean, they're they're
- 2:35at a bull market. They're making higher highs and higher lows. So question
- 2:38it is, do we go buy silver now? Is it worth doing it?
- 2:43Do we this the run? What are you there? Well, you
- 2:46know, silver's got a long way to go as far as catching up to
- 2:49the gold price. You know, the inflation adjusted gold CPI inflation adjusted gold
- 2:54prices around twenty six ninety something like that, which which you know we're not
- 2:59too far away from that, but and that's from nineteen eighty. But when
- 3:04the Hunt Brothers tried to corner the silver market in nineteen eighty, the the
- 3:07you know, the silver price got up to fifty bucks and the inflation adjusted
- 3:12price for silver CPI inflation adjusted price for silver is around one hundred and fifty
- 3:16hundred and sixty dollars. So silver is still massively undervalued in relation to the
- 3:22gold price, and as well as the gold stocks. You see, you
- 3:25know, the goals mining sector and silver both have been underperforming gold for quite
- 3:30some time. Where do you get more leverage with the stocks or with silver?
- 3:35I mean, if it's going to go up to one hundred and fifty,
- 3:38that's that's a five bagger if it goes up that high. What did
- 3:42the stocks do? Are they one hundred five hundred beggars? Yeah? Well,
- 3:46I mean you said your question was you go with silver or the stocks?
- 3:51How about silver stocks? But there's really not that many that I think
- 3:53are worth investing in. You got you got to get a hold of a
- 3:57basket of the right ones, and all that's going to take is just a
- 4:00one or two of them to fly, and you're going to do really well.
- 4:02I mean, this is what happened with me. Fortunately, back in
- 4:05the two thousand and eight to twenty eleven run up. I got into a
- 4:10couple of silver stocks. At the time, they were relatively unknown. One
- 4:14was First Majestic Silver and the other one, yeah, and the other one
- 4:18at the time was Wheat and was wheatn yeah, over called silver Wheaton then
- 4:25and I got into those really heavy and you know, they were multiple,
- 4:30you know, ten fifteen to twenty baggers for me. Yeah, heya.
- 4:33You know, I really cleaned up on the first Majestic. They hadn't listed
- 4:36warrants back then, and I loaded up of it. I mean I didn't
- 4:42put enough money in it, unfortunately, but it was like a twelve bagger
- 4:46in like two weeks. Yeah, yeah, I think there, Yeah,
- 4:50warrants you get. You got to get the time being on those and you
- 4:54get to do really well. Yeah. So but now there aren't, like
- 4:59you said, it's not any silver pure plays that you want to touch,
- 5:01right, yeah, absolutely, You just you've got to really do your homework
- 5:05and get into the right ones at the right time, and then be very
- 5:09patient. And with what's going on in the world, it seems to me
- 5:14like we're looking all over the world for this stuff, but the jurisdiction or
- 5:18risk is increasing by the day, right it is. And then you have
- 5:23these top tier jurisdictions also in North America, where you know, they're fabulous
- 5:28jurisdictions to operate in. But as far as getting the getting your your project
- 5:31permitted, that could take a really long time. So for for instance,
- 5:35and you know in Canada and in the US, it might take you know,
- 5:40seven eight, nine years to finally get your your proud year project permitted
- 5:45once you get close to to the feasibility stage and you've got to wait several
- 5:48more years to get it permitted. But then the flip side of that,
- 5:51you've got some of these West African companies cut countries where the governments own you
- 5:56know, a portion of the mind and they want to get you permitted quickly.
- 6:00So you know, you could go from discovery to construction within three or
- 6:04four years in some of these West African countries. That's like the only place
- 6:09really in the world where you can do that, right absolutely, yeah,
- 6:13but you just you but but then you know you've got to deal with with
- 6:15with with the West African risk as well. Yeah, so you've got to
- 6:19governments come and go like forget it, right, Yeah. I mean there's
- 6:25you know in a place like Burkina Faso where there's you know, there's a
- 6:30coup every couple of months, there's you know, but as far as the
- 6:33but as far as the country is concerned, you know, these these mines
- 6:36get permitted quickly. A lot of gold mines have been built in Burkina Faso
- 6:41in the past twenty years, and their discoveries are made and then permits are
- 6:46given quickly and the mind is constructed. Uh and and the company does really
- 6:53well, but still not as well as a top tier jurisdiction because uh,
- 6:58investors see that it's West Africa. They feel, okay, this is this
- 7:01is a risky place to do business, even though the mine is doing well,
- 7:04the company is doing well. That you've got it. You've got you
- 7:08know, a discount on the share price, and of course you got productivity
- 7:12issues once you get outside if you get it so called top tier jurisdicitions,
- 7:17right right exactly, Yeah, wild, yeah, I mean it's it's yeah,
- 7:23it's it's funny because you know, during the last major bowl market in
- 7:28the mining sector from two thousand and one to twenty eleven, especially towards the
- 7:32end there, permitting really wasn't an issue. Uh. You know, investors
- 7:38they were just clamoring for more ounces. They were, they were there,
- 7:41they were you know, they were they were telling their the majors that they
- 7:45were owning, Hey, we need more ounces golds flying you know, care
- 7:48we needed at any price. So they invested in you know, these low
- 7:51grade bulk tonnage projects just to get ounces on their books, and permitting wasn't
- 7:59it wasn't even issue. Nobody even looked at that at them. So when
- 8:03we last spoke, we talked about a little company probably remember called Numat,
- 8:09Yes and Numat at the time I believe was forty one or two. It's
- 8:16now hit forty eight, and that's anticipating blockbuster earning. It's coming up.
- 8:22I was planning to buy options, but in the account where I wanted to
- 8:26buy them, I didn't have options. Authorization didn't. But I knew it
- 8:33was going to happen because we said they're doing like a couple of million ounces
- 8:37a quarter, and you multiply that time it's three four hundred dated right,
- 8:43hidden that's like right, And they had already written everything off. They were
- 8:48smart, Like year two years ago, they said we're getting rid of all
- 8:52this stuff. They wrote off everything but the kitchen, saying they took their
- 8:56it because they knew this was coming right, smart, right, Yeah,
- 9:00absolutely, I mean, and now they're you know, they're basically in a
- 9:03league by themselves after they gobbled up New Crest and they're they're producing nearly twice
- 9:09as much as the number two gold miner, which is now a Nico Eagle.
- 9:11You know, Eric keeps keeps getting getting lower and lower as they're they're
- 9:16not jumping on the M and A bandwagon. But as far as Neumon is
- 9:20concerned, you know, it's interesting you bring them up because they're going to
- 9:24be kicking off Q two earning season after the bell today here on Wednesday,
- 9:30and I expect their profits to be record breaking, monster profits because if you
- 9:33take a look at what happened with them in Q one, you know,
- 9:37they they they had they had blowout profits and the stock went up twelve and
- 9:41a half percent the day they announced earnings, and it was by far the
- 9:46largest gainer on the S and P five hundred. And by the way,
- 9:48Numon is the only gold miner on the five hundred, and we're going to
- 9:54have these they're there their Q two announcement after the bell today, like I
- 9:58said, and the gold price back then averaged around twenty seventy to twenty ninety
- 10:05that announce back in Q one, and in Q two the gold price averaged
- 10:09two hundred and fifty dollars higher, and the oil price, which is probably
- 10:13about fifty to sixty percent of Newmont's costs. Because you know, they have
- 10:18these huge open pit diesel guzzling gold mines, right, and that the oil
- 10:24price went down sixteen per sixteen dollars during Q two, so their costs are
- 10:30probably going to be either flat or a little lower, while the gold price
- 10:33went up two hundred and fifty dollars. So I expect numont is probably going
- 10:37to be announcing another monster quarter. And nobody's really paying attention as far as
- 10:41the street's concerned. You take a look at the at the at the volume
- 10:46and GDX and GDX j ever sets it ever sets gold hit another all time
- 10:50high here a couple of weeks ago. The volume has been decreasing down,
- 10:54down, lower and lower as everybody's still concentrating on the stock market, right,
- 11:01So nobody's really expecting what new mas Is is about to announce, I
- 11:05think, and you know, once if they if they come out with another
- 11:09blowout quarter, that's back to back quarters. They're going any fund managers and
- 11:13been big money traders there, they're they no longer can ignore this sector.
- 11:18You know, they've been ignoring the gold mining sector for the past decade.
- 11:22I mean in twenty thirteen, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, when the gold
- 11:26price lost fifteen hundred dollars an ounce. That's when the bottom fell out of
- 11:30the mining sector and the generalist investor left in mass and they've yet to return.
- 11:35And you and the evidence of that is just looking at the volume of
- 11:41GDX and GDXJG just keep sitting lower and lower and lower. And the old
- 11:45adage never short a dull market comes to mind. You know, we've got
- 11:48today, We've got the stock market is rolling over and gold and the gold
- 11:54stocks are going higher. They're starting to decouple. That's not a trend,
- 11:56you know, that's that this is this is just day one. I don't
- 12:00know if that's going to continue, but I know the Magnificent seven stocks lost
- 12:05about a one point three trillion in value in one week recently. They went
- 12:09to a to a total market cap of seventeen trillion down to fifteen trillion recently
- 12:16here. So I think there's going to see You're going to start to see
- 12:18some sector rotation coming into the gold mining stocks, especially if you see back
- 12:22to back blowout quarters from these miners. Yeah, well, look got a
- 12:26nimock was an easy one. And the best thing was even in Q one
- 12:31they had some write offs there that kind of artificially the press, right,
- 12:35and they announced divesting their their by divesting some non core astes, they're going
- 12:41to pay off some debt. So their ballant sheet is getting stronger and stronger.
- 12:45And that's happening with a lot of these gold companies, right, I
- 12:48mean, that was the thing right back during the last full market. Their
- 12:50balance sheets were crap, and they took on all these projects that needed higher
- 12:56gold prices and they did it with stock. So it kind of kind of
- 13:00ruined the industry for a decade. But now they've come back strong and they've
- 13:03got really they got really strong ballot sheets. They're paying dividends. I mean
- 13:07back when I got into this sector twenty years ago, it was unheard of
- 13:11that a minor paid a dividend. Definitely, So they're paying dividends, they're
- 13:13doing stock buybacks, their ballot sheets are healthy. Now they've got to start
- 13:18concentrating on growth. So that's where the juniors coming because the reserves are declining.
- 13:24We know exactly the resources they're declining, and they got to be looking
- 13:31for they discoveries and that's where the high quality not an oxy war on jiniors
- 13:37come in. And you know there's about ten percent of them out there that
- 13:41have something. But you know, I've been in the business long enough,
- 13:43like you. I was looking at a list of companies from It's Ticket was
- 13:52back in like twenty eleven or maybe it was twenty thirteen that one of the
- 13:58conferences, and you know what covered there were some old dogs that just never
- 14:03die. But most of those companies they've been I don't know if they've been
- 14:07rebranded, they didn't exist anywhere, but they've been gobbled up or they've gone
- 14:11under. Yeah, I mean there's yeah, the turnover is is you know,
- 14:16could be large. You know, there's there's a lot of lifestyle companies
- 14:18in the junior sector. I mean, I'm with Rick Rule, you know.
- 14:20I mean that eighty eighty five percent of them are uninvestable. So you
- 14:24know, really got to get you got to you got to sharpen your pencil
- 14:28and do your due diligence and make sure you're getting into the right one because
- 14:31you know, you want to you want to make sure to to to accumulate
- 14:35a basket of them because like I said before, you know you're gonna have
- 14:37You're gonna have some dogs. It's gonna happen. Yeah, you know,
- 14:41it's it's like a it's like a hitter in baseball, right, you're in
- 14:43the Hall of Fame if you if you go twenty years and you have a
- 14:46battering, you average over three hundred. Well, it's the same thing in
- 14:50picking junior stocks. You have you know, if you get three out of
- 14:52ten, you're doing well, like any think. So all right, that's
- 14:58obviously why people need to subscribe to Junior minor Junkie and just tell us what
- 15:05you do and just let me stay up front. What I'm like best is
- 15:07when you give a buy reco or a settle, you wait before you execute
- 15:15your own trade to let your subscribers get in, which is the utmost of
- 15:18them. Heygardie in an area where it's sometimes lacking. Absolutely, Yeah,
- 15:24when I started my newsletter back and now back in April of twenty seventeen,
- 15:28it doesn't seem like it was long ago. But I wanted to make sure
- 15:31that I was completely transparent and that basically, you know, I'm whatever I
- 15:37invest whatever I'm I'm recommending others invest in that I'm going to invest in also,
- 15:43and I want to want to give them the opportunity to get in.
- 15:46At the same time, I do. So what I do is I if
- 15:48I'm if I'm about to purchase a a position in a junior, I'll do
- 15:54a detailed company report on the stock and I'll send it out to my subscribers
- 16:02the day the day before I plan on beginning to accumulate the stock, so
- 16:07we could kind of all try to get in it together and hold it and
- 16:10hold it for a period of time to where it's going to make us at
- 16:14least three to ten times our money. I won't touch a junior unless I
- 16:17see at least three times potentials three times upside potential in the stock. So
- 16:22basically, it's a completely transparent service. I let everybody know what my trades
- 16:26are, what I buy, what I sell, how much I made,
- 16:29how much I lost, and it's it's done really well. I got a
- 16:33great subscriber base, and I work very hard. You know. The the
- 16:41newsletter comes out every week. It's a weekly newsletter, and even if I'm
- 16:45on vacation, it's sure it's a scale down one. But I still put
- 16:47out of weekly newsletters because that's because I love I love my job and I
- 16:51love helping people make money in the sector. Hey, all right, so
- 16:53we've got a cross over, David or myself she meet emailed Kate el at
- 16:57Caerrie Loves dot com. The link to junior writer Junkie dot com is in
- 17:03the show notes of this interview on Financial Survival Network dot com. While you're
- 17:07there, sign up for your free newsletter. David, It's going to be
- 17:11interesting and be interesting to see how long this ride lasts. Absolutely, yeah,
- 17:15I think the second half of the year is going to be really is
- 17:18going to do really well for investors in the in the junior sector. Thanks
- 17:22for listening to Carrie Letz's Financial Survival Network, your solution to today's trying times.
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